Jimmie's God vs. Evidence and Reason | Matt Dillahunty + Forrest Valkai
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- Jimmie calls in questioning if the hosts could accept a God that does not violate physical laws or involve the supernatural. When asked to define this God, Jimmie describes a conscious God similar to pantheism that he believes possesses consciousness without a brain involved. The hosts quickly challenge
Jimmie's assumption that consciousness can exist outside a brain. When pressed, Jimmie admits he has no evidence for this belief. The hosts push back on Jimmie's unsubstantiated assertions, insisting he justify his claims with evidence. But Jimmie continues citing theoretical concepts instead of responding to their direct questions.
As he repeatedly evades providing any empirical evidence, the hosts grow visibly angry at Jimmie's circular logic and dishonesty. The call descends into heated contention as the hosts yell at Jimmie for wasting their time with unevidenced claims presented as fact. They hang up on him in frustration over his refusal to engage honestly.
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I LOVE Forest and Matt as cohosts....it's like bad cop and worse cop. A great team up!
Forrest as the Bad Cop:
Matt: You don't want to mess with my partner, he's out of his mind. Look, if you did it, your best bet is to come clean.
Forrest: Hey, buddy! Can I get you a drink?
@@BaronVonQuiply These 2 hosts are fools (atheists) and their less-than-worthless, asinine, lost & clueless religious cult of atheism is INFAMOUS the world over for having ZERO ANSWERS. No atheist has a RATIONAL/POSSIBLE, step-by-step atheist explanation for reality. That's because there isn't one. THESE GUYS ADMIT THAT THEY HAVE NO ANSWERS!!!
The fact remains that along w/ DYING/FINITE space/matter/energy, TIME had a cause. The logical conclusion (when we follow the evidence) is that such a cause is TIMELESS. And if you're TIMELESS, do you have a beginning or end? No. We call that cause "OUR INFINITE, SUPERNATURAL GOD," who by definition is TIMELESS, CHANGELESS, BEGINNINGLESS, SPACELESS, IMMATERIAL and ENORMOUSLY POWERFUL.
These topics are the most important topics known; thus, EVERYONE should have a vast understanding of the facts that frame the truth of these topics and not be so content to gulp down the false propaganda of channels such as this one. THESE GUYS ADMIT THAT THEY HAVE NO ANSWERS!!!
God is proved by what we observe (Romans 1:20). Are you dying/losing information? Does your gasoline engine lose information/wear out after so many miles? The answer is “yes” to both questions, due to “The Law of Entropy.” All matter loses information; there’s never a gain of information (e.g. multiverse, big bang, abiogenesis, mistakes (mutations) gaining in complexity/new information, star formation, evolution). That’s why NONE of these atheist ideas are observed.
There’s also no such thing as nature (e.g. star dust, moist rocks, mud puddles, hot rocks, moon dirt, warm ponds, gravity, oceans, primordial soup, nothing)
producing LIFE, INTELLIGENCE, LOVE, CONSCIOUSNESS or MORALITY, much less the human being & 9 million DIFFERENT animals.
No atheist idea is true. That’s why no atheist can present a rational godless explanation for reality. That’s because there isn’t one. Atheism debunked.
I’ve been waiting 50 yrs for an atheist to explain BOTTOM UP PRODUCTION of what we observe in the world. How did a mud puddle come from NOTHING and produce a first cell w/ systems within to eat, digest food, eliminate waste, move, breathe and reproduce? Did life come from a mud puddle? Did jealousy come from star dust? How about love? Did love come from moon dirt?
SUMMARY: Atheism is a sect of rebellious fools that can’t explain a godless reality. That’s because there isn’t one. When we follow the facts that I’ve presented above, we arrive at a logical conclusion. God is the only possible cause for nature.
Bad cop worst cop but the bad cop is also the happiest bubbliest person you’ve ever met lol
I do think that Matt is too gung-ho with the hang-up button, only because I'm like-minded with Forrest and I want to explore the reasoning of these goobers as deeply as possible because it can only make them look stupider. There are so many calls where the co-host has had a genuinely interesting question and Matt has hung up on the caller because HE feels frustrated (which he easily does with his extremely quick temper). Matt even admitted he wished he'd let Forrest ask his pronoun question.
@@utes5532 I think long-time viewers have largely gone from _"Matt has saint-like patience (irony aside)"_ to _"Yeah, I'd have hung up on his ass, too"_ and this is probably an inevitable result of spending a few decades hearing the same fallacies trotted out time and again by people who don't even grasp the argument they're pushing and somehow think that _"Look, I know you've heard this nonsense a thousand times today, but you haven't heard ME tell you this nonsense yet."_ is going to be productive.
When to hang up on someone who believes in magick becomes subjective because no one will ever call in with a bible quote and convert millions like they expect. I dare say the odds of someone calling in with evidence of said magick are similarly low.
God damnit Matt let Forrest talk to people he’s not ready to give up on
No, forests line of questioning about fuc king pronouns would have been a giant fuc king waste of time. I wanted Matt to argue with him longer. It's one of the first times Jimmy didn't get to his DMT like every 30 calls he's made before.
But it's jimmies tactic to talk about science that he has no grasp on in order to get to his DMT bullsh it.
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Why is that a waste of time but nothing else is? Forrest would get what he wanted out of it, so it wouldn't be a waste to him; on the other hand, Matt would have seen going further as a waste of time to himself, despite you wanting him to go further.
You can't argue with this. You ask him for evidence and he replies with "scientists just make stuff up and find evidence for it later". You point out that scientists obviously disagree with him and he asks for the evidence. He already has an unchanging image in his head of how the world works and thinks facts are just a matter of debate. He litteraly thinks science is coming up with an idea of how something works and then hunting for reasons you're right. He understands evidentiary standards but only for things that conflict with his bias. You need to prove him wrong he doesn't need to prove he's right.
He's confusing the scientific method with religious bullshitting.
Yeah I struggle with what to say to people like this. I usually just walk away after explaining how they're telling me they aren't interested in having a conversation 🤷♀️
@@amandasunshine2 The thing is, they do want to have the conversation. They specifically want you to admit you haven't done the work required to PROVE them wrong. Because if you can't prove they are wrong immediately and without doubt, they are right.
(Joke) "Only the hairdresser knows -->> If it's Supernatural!"
I was listening to another call earlier with another person who thinks science is all opinion and no better than any religion.
I believe I shouted something at my monitor about a Bible-Based CPU, given that Intel is obviously not an option for him, being merely a wild opinion about what tiny silicon might do.
This caller's brain may well indeed be a transceiver for every lunatic idea ever imagined in the universe. 😮
Forrest and Matt are a great combo!! I've been a fan of Matt for years, and Forrest quickly became one of my favourites over the last year or so. Great show Jimmy! I've been a fan of yours for years too! You and your content keep growing and improving, I love it!!
Forrest has ZERO ANSWERS. These 2 hosts are fools (atheists) and their less-than-worthless, asinine, lost & clueless religious cult of atheism is INFAMOUS the world over for having ZERO ANSWERS. No atheist has a RATIONAL/POSSIBLE, step-by-step atheist explanation for reality. That's because there isn't one. THESE GUYS ADMIT THAT THEY HAVE NO ANSWERS!!!
The fact remains that along w/ DYING/FINITE space/matter/energy, TIME had a cause. The logical conclusion (when we follow the evidence) is that such a cause is TIMELESS. And if you're TIMELESS, do you have a beginning or end? No. We call that cause "OUR INFINITE, SUPERNATURAL GOD," who by definition is TIMELESS, CHANGELESS, BEGINNINGLESS, SPACELESS, IMMATERIAL and ENORMOUSLY POWERFUL.
These topics are the most important topics known; thus, EVERYONE should have a vast understanding of the facts that frame the truth of these topics and not be so content to gulp down the false propaganda of channels such as this one. THESE GUYS ADMIT THAT THEY HAVE NO ANSWERS!!!
God is proved by what we observe (Romans 1:20). Are you dying/losing information? Does your gasoline engine lose information/wear out after so many miles? The answer is “yes” to both questions, due to “The Law of Entropy.” All matter loses information; there’s never a gain of information (e.g. multiverse, big bang, abiogenesis, mistakes (mutations) gaining in complexity/new information, star formation, evolution). That’s why NONE of these atheist ideas are observed.
There’s also no such thing as nature (e.g. star dust, moist rocks, mud puddles, hot rocks, moon dirt, warm ponds, gravity, oceans, primordial soup, nothing)
producing LIFE, INTELLIGENCE, LOVE, CONSCIOUSNESS or MORALITY, much less the human being & 9 million DIFFERENT animals.
No atheist idea is true. That’s why no atheist can present a rational godless explanation for reality. That’s because there isn’t one. Atheism debunked.
I’ve been waiting 50 yrs for an atheist to explain BOTTOM UP PRODUCTION of what we observe in the world. How did a mud puddle come from NOTHING and produce a first cell w/ systems within to eat, digest food, eliminate waste, move, breathe and reproduce? Did life come from a mud puddle? Did jealousy come from star dust? How about love? Did love come from moon dirt?
SUMMARY: Atheism is a sect of rebellious fools that can’t explain a godless reality. That’s because there isn’t one. When we follow the facts that I’ve presented above, we arrive at a logical conclusion. God is the only possible cause for nature.
@@craedonbwroten6693I'll bet you called in and either Dillahunty or Forrest, or both, refused to entertain your stupid superstitious nonsense.
Jimmie here is representing the thought processes of people who have given up religious dogma, but are afraid, or sunk cost, to give up on the concept of a god.
Well to be honest science does not disprove God either, the problem is not the concept of God the problem is the concept of God according to Abrahamic Religions. Thats the issue.
@@greatilyrian6533 science does not seek out to disprove God. The problem is not just Abraham and gods, the problem very much. Is any god concept... Any spiritual concept of any kind.
About the evidence part, well atheist dont have evidence that disproves God or Gods either , not a single evidence stating 100% does not exist. And another thing Science does not deal with non material things, its like using Biology to disprove Math.
@@greatilyrian6533 Oh for your god’s sake, shut up.
@greatilyrian6533 Second part... Exactly. Science CAN'T disprove any god concept, because it's nonsensical to even think of trying.
First part... Atheists do not claim to disprove a god concept. They claim that theists haven't met the burden of proof.
Antitheists claim to disprove a god concept. Neither Matt nor Forrest are antitheists... Me either. I'm a person who says "Show me proof of your claim that goes beyond a 2000 year old book or 'personal revelation'"
This call got shockingly close to the workings of how gods and the magic system in a fiction story I’ve been writing. (Emphasis on the word FICTION)
In the world of the story, there’s a link between consciousness and complexity that is measurable and quantifiable to the people who live in the universe. And halfway through the story there is a gigantic mind shattering discovery that people make which proves that concepts when we ascribe enough complex thought to them, become conscious beings which have extreme ability to manipulate the world because of their level of complexity that they contain.
The link between consciousness and complexity in the world also allows characters to use “magic” which is a word that describes a process of weaving and manipulating virtual particles into forming whatever matter or in some cases adding kinetic energy to whatever the person imagines. The limitations being that this process burns calories and has concentration/cognitive limits and whatnot.
But it’s kinda neat to hear someone talk about a god who can operate within physics. Or… try to bullshit that sort of opening idea I guess.
Sounds like something I would have read when I was exhausting my local library.
It's also not unlike the MythAdventure series in that it frames magic as a semi-plausible non-supernatural ability (brief summary - a man flees known space and stumbles on a world colonized long ago by people who loved the 1300s, everyone there lives like medieval Earth partly because magic made technology unnecessary, but they'll also tell you " 'Tis the year of our lord two thousand and twenty three." Only the monks know how they got there, no one else knows of Earth. )
@@BaronVonQuiply thanks! I detailed out the mechanism behind magic as well. I wanted to challenge myself to turn my understanding of our world into what could look like magic. And then the realization hit me that other universes could allow for different things via new physics
When Matt hung up, I felt a disturbance in the force.
Matt, it is frustrating that you prevented Forest from continuing because he was really interesting and we also wanted to hear the exchange. It is educational, informative and entertaining. Don't always make it about your own feelings because then your audience loses out.
Agreed, Matt’s frustration/anger is often detrimental to the show and the input of other hosts.
Yeah but imo the pronoun thing is kind of irrelevant. The caller was just being a dick and questioning him on it is a waste of time. This whole call was a mess
@@TheTruthKiwi Every theist caller who isn't in the process of questioning is a waste of time. The best you can do is expose their idiocy, even if it is regarding pronoun silliness.
@@wraithfivekay7082 Yeah, I guess so. Still, no great loss that they dropped him though imho
The audience never loses out getting rid of ANOTHER dumbass transphobe.
Yes! My dream team - Forest and Matt 🙌
Seriously. They are smart and really good at debating as well. We need more Forrest DEBATES!
💯
Forrest and JMike are my dream team
@@thenerktwins You can't be serious. These 2 hosts are fools (atheists) and their less-than-worthless, asinine, lost & clueless religious cult of atheism is INFAMOUS the world over for having ZERO ANSWERS. No atheist has a RATIONAL/POSSIBLE, step-by-step atheist explanation for reality. That's because there isn't one. THESE GUYS ADMIT THAT THEY HAVE NO ANSWERS!!!
The fact remains that along w/ DYING/FINITE space/matter/energy, TIME had a cause. The logical conclusion (when we follow the evidence) is that such a cause is TIMELESS. And if you're TIMELESS, do you have a beginning or end? No. We call that cause "OUR INFINITE, SUPERNATURAL GOD," who by definition is TIMELESS, CHANGELESS, BEGINNINGLESS, SPACELESS, IMMATERIAL and ENORMOUSLY POWERFUL.
These topics are the most important topics known; thus, EVERYONE should have a vast understanding of the facts that frame the truth of these topics and not be so content to gulp down the false propaganda of channels such as this one. THESE GUYS ADMIT THAT THEY HAVE NO ANSWERS!!!
God is proved by what we observe (Romans 1:20). Are you dying/losing information? Does your gasoline engine lose information/wear out after so many miles? The answer is “yes” to both questions, due to “The Law of Entropy.” All matter loses information; there’s never a gain of information (e.g. multiverse, big bang, abiogenesis, mistakes (mutations) gaining in complexity/new information, star formation, evolution). That’s why NONE of these atheist ideas are observed.
There’s also no such thing as nature (e.g. star dust, moist rocks, mud puddles, hot rocks, moon dirt, warm ponds, gravity, oceans, primordial soup, nothing)
producing LIFE, INTELLIGENCE, LOVE, CONSCIOUSNESS or MORALITY, much less the human being & 9 million DIFFERENT animals.
No atheist idea is true. That’s why no atheist can present a rational godless explanation for reality. That’s because there isn’t one. Atheism debunked.
I’ve been waiting 50 yrs for an atheist to explain BOTTOM UP PRODUCTION of what we observe in the world. How did a mud puddle come from NOTHING and produce a first cell w/ systems within to eat, digest food, eliminate waste, move, breathe and reproduce? Did life come from a mud puddle? Did jealousy come from star dust? How about love? Did love come from moon dirt?
SUMMARY: Atheism is a sect of rebellious fools that can’t explain a godless reality. That’s because there isn’t one. When we follow the facts that I’ve presented above, we arrive at a logical conclusion. God is the only possible cause for nature.
I am saving this video for when the boys are over for "drink along a Jimmie"- every time Matt says Jimmie, take a shot
😂
Twist: Every time he says Jimmy you have to send one back up.
JIMMIE With Forest and Matt is the same as JAMES with JMIKE and Forest. why he is distorted as the same Carless God lover of Evil over Good is rthe best way to live. So confused with this religous prick.
I am watching this again, it is THAT good. I want to see Forrest lose it again. Brilliant.
Really wish Matt would let his co-hosts ask the questions they want to ask. If he's so easily frustrated, he can ignore the caller until they're done and then talk to a therapist between shows about his nonexistent coping mechanisms. And banning somebody from chat for a comment about the button is toxic. He used to be my favorite host, but my appreciation for his brilliant mind is increasingly getting offset by my disgust for his infantile temper.
This man sat on a stage quietly and listened to Jordan Peterson ramble incoherently about Dostoevsky for ten minutes straight, but can't afford the same courtesy to his guests and the co-hosts he allegedly respects.
I absolutely love Matt, but I have noticed the changes as well!
I'm sure he knows a lot more about his business than you ever will. That's why he's still in business and all you have is a weak opinion for your defense. He has to stop idiots from wasting his audience's time.
AA@@sheldonmurphy6031 And if you had been doing his job for 20 years you would understand why he gets upset.
@jerrylong6238 Yep. My comment is exactly that; an opinion. Never claimed otherwise. I'm not even sure why you called it a defense...I'm not defending anything. Nor is it a good counterargument to simply cite that he's still in business, thus he knows how to run it best. So what? Elon Musk still runs Twitter. Trump still has dozens of businesses. Also, The Line is Jimmy Snow's business, to be clear.
By your logic, basically all media criticism is invalid so long as the creator of that media still has a business. I'm sure I don't have to tell you how ridiculous that is on its face. Besides, while he's absolutely prolific, and a huge name in the atheist TH-cam space, he doesn't exactly have a lot of subscribers relative to how long he's been in the game. I respect him a ton, and think he's been a huge force for good, but he absolutely turns a lot of people off, and his approach can be unnecessarily abrasive. He's even cited by name as having made people hesitant to engage with atheist content.
@@jerrylong6238Fanboys like you are as bad as theists.
Jimmie probably bought one of those 1 square foot plots in the UK, so he can claim his lordship. Ha, Ha, Ha.
...and the star Arcturus is now named after him, for just $89.95, and adjectives are now used as pronouns in his honor.
Wait.. what?
(joke about my name)
Hey, I’m a Scottish laird! I have a card that says so.
Matt needs to calm down. I love the guy, I do, and I understand his frustration with basically everyone's lack of sound epistemology. But every time he loses control like that he is generating noise that stops people from listening or even articulating their ideas. He's an excellent communicator, but when he throws these tantrums it's ugly, intimidating for the people who are not used to this means or type of discussion as he is and just unproductive.
Yes!
Completely agree
His losing it actually makes the caller's case for them. Matt definitely won't see it that way, however that's how the outside will view it.
The caller came on to have a civil discussion, not to be screamed at by some "Word salad" overbearing guy who's just losing his marbles and won't let anyone else speak.
It's not a good look, and most certainly not a win irrespective of how clever and "right" Matt thinks he is.
@@johncoops6897 I agree with your criticism of Matt, EXCEPT for 2 points.
There is no Winner on a call in show or debate for that matter. How would you determine who won? All the theists would say that the person representing theism won. All the atheists will say that the person representing atheism won. There’s no point system, and no one has proven that there either is or isn’t a God anyway. Also, Matt is extremely lucid, very clear and concise and rather anal retentive I would agree. But word salad does not describe the way he talks because he’s making perfect sense. If you’re having trouble understanding it, then that’s why it might sound like word salad.
@@funmakers2093 - no, I understand perfectly what he says, and the clever logic that he uses to debate and deride any callers who try to explain concepts that he considers unworthy of hearing fully expressed.
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I agree there is no "winner" in a call-in or a debate, so why does Matt try so damn hard to WIN against every single word and statement made by the other party? It's similar to watching that Monty Python skit "The Argument Clinic" (No it isn't... Yes it is) 😃
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Yes I agree that some callers need a reality check, however muting them and talking over them and bullying them for fun is not necessarily a way to have a good discussion.
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He is an absolute master at Nut Picking and interjection to disrupt his "opponents", and prevent them from ever being allowed to present their point of view. It's amusing sometimes, however it's basically as pointless to try and discuss anything with Matt as it is to sway a Flat Earther.
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I think he should spend less time flexing his Formal Debating "skills", STFU, and listen. By all means discuss whatever the caller wanted to talk about, but at least let them *_say it_* before attacking them! The way he operates in these sessions, it's pretty much 10% caller and 90% of Matt running his mouth.
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It doesn't help if the caller admits that he has less knowledge than Matt about a subject, and would like some guidance from him to clarify some thoughts. Unfortunately that is like waving a red flag at a bull, and they are inflicted with torrents of questions and even less respect. 😃
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There is no need to be an absolute Dick just because you "feel superior" and wish to publically stroke your own ego, irrespective of how eloquently or logically you might do it. 😉
It takes Olga Corbett like mental gymnastics to get there but somehow, Jimmy stuck the landing in his own mind.
Indeed, that’s the major reason I’m out. The mental gymnastics are so exhausting, and Olga I ain’t 😂
Jimmy with matt and forest is the same guy as James with forest and JMIKE.
@@trafficjon400 It has to be hard finding entertaining believers that can do something other that say they believe.
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@@crapton9002 For a few years solid, every time a caller went on a "well, I believe... I believe.... I believe" binge I'd sing out ♫ _"I believe I can fly! I believe I can touch th- OH SHIT! THE GROUND!!"_ ♫
It's Jimmy of Perennial Philosophy fame, although apparently spouting a different approach to the same unfalsifiable and untestable claim. I guess he got bored of going in circles in his own head and decided to invite others to his track loop.
Its a pity how ignorance has impacted a lot of humans, for hundreds of years ,wrongfully assertion of consciousness to operate without a brain where did we get such an example!?😊
I can only guess, but maybe the afflicted see their god as a master consciousness, and that humans are merely vessels through which their god transmits his consciousness. Beats me, but how the hell can my brain possibly work like their brains do? I was spared the ravages of childhood indoctrination.
Probably the one thing that is most responsible for causing us think minds can exist independent of brains is our capacity to envision other minds of people in which we interact. This agency capacity can operate even when we aren't interacting with other intelligent beings giving rise to the concept of spirits(minds without brains). A large percentage of people still believe in spirits including god the big spirit. We have evolution to thank for our social ability to understand other people's motives and intentions.
This is a semantic game Jimmie is playing. Becoming a human pretzel to say whatever it takes to create a god, just to say there is one.
He’s literally just making stuff up. If you don’t have evidence, then don’t bother with an opinion.
What is the point of having a cohost/guest if they are prevented from engaging with the caller?
If Matt is on, he might do better hosting alone. Very frustrating to listen to him roughly navigate the call. I enjoy his ability to cut through the bs, but his disregard for his guest/cohost makes it uncomfortable to watch.
Forrest has a way of asking questions that combines critical thinking, genuine interest in educating, and positive engagement with the caller.
It was unfortunate the call was not balanced in a way to allow that.
Jimmie is just saying things akin to "wouldn't it be cool if..."
However believing things without having evidence, and instead believing them just because "wouldn't it be cool if they were tue" is not a good way to lead a life.
I think you should implement a system where both of you have to agree to end a call before it’s actually ended so these kinds of accidents don’t hapoen
me too, I hate it every time because I’m genuinely interested in what the other host has to ask
You know it’s going to be a good call when the caller is trolling their pronouns.
The notion of our universe being a simulation kind of allows for a god that isn't supernatural.
is a "god" that isn't supernatural still a "god"? i'm not so sure. i think it better to call such a thing an advanced lifeform... or better yet a mystery... an unknown. really no reason to call it a "god"
Love the hosts, but Matt has a tendency to ignore his co-host's participation. I really wanted to hear the caller's response to Forrest's second point.
It only happens when the theist callers are being dishonest. I've seen like maybe 50 videos and is pretty rare for the hosts to drop the call.
Jimmie is way under prepared to have such conversations.. and, like many theists, only brings BS to the conversation
I love how he just imagined this theoretical physicist comparisons. And then proceeded to make it seem that Matt brought the comparison up 😂😂😂
this sounds like the guy who used to call The Atheist Experience over and over and over to talk about perennial philosophy, and the calls never went anywhere at all
The enormous historical burden of meaning for the word god/God leads me to discard any attempt to redefine it. I also assume that any definition of g/God that already exists is incoherent with reality and will continue to assume so until shown otherwise - hasn't happened yet.
Adore Forrest!💜
I knew a kid in high school who, after knowing him a couple of years, was in a bad car accident with brain trauma.
Now, he was lucky in that it didn’t seem to badly impair him, beyond some seemingly tame memory issues.
What it DID do was drastically change his personality.
He went from extroverted and gregarious to introverted and shy.
He had a lot of trouble in groups and meeting new people. Seeing him outside of class became a rarity, and he had a very hard time making friends, which had been a particular strength of his.
Some of this could have been trauma, though he had no memory of the entire day before the incident or the incident itself, and he was the only one involved. He didn’t lose anyone or hurt anyone else in the crash.
He just lost a not insignificant part of his brain and then was different.
I’ve also had experiences with family with Alzheimer’s that many could relate to.
This is why no proposed afterlife makes any sense. When the brain changes or goes away, the self changes or goes away, and there’s no mechanism of continuity once that brain ceases function.
Largely besides the point, but I chased down the Michio Kaku thing he was talking about. Kaku was talking about a mechanism we could theoretically use for mind machine interfaces in the future. Like we could pick up brain waves and use them to control machines.
Doesn't have anything to do with God, bro.
He peaked when he started a sentence with, “I don’t really think…”
Religion is not science, it isn't a path to knowing, it is a peaceful walk away from knowing, a walk into a vision with no beginning and no ending, a circular storybook to elicit higher seeing and peaceful abiding in a truth that is very different from scientific truth, into an all encompassing compassionate wisdom that has no object. Not human separatist, it is the path of all life, not exclusionary, a walk in wholeness, all-inclusive.
Where did you get such bullshit ?
@@TheAdventurer1 I study religions, this is a religious perspective, and I am contrasting it with the materialist perspective propounded in this video
@@charliefive1988 i have no idea how this response is related to my post.
@@TheAdventurer1 I study religions, and occasionally i stumble on videos like this. Just thought it deserved a rebuttal.
The caller misrepresented what Dr. Michio Kaku said and got Matt to call Michio a kook. Michio has not said the brain can tap into the radio wave. No he only talked about how there are advanced techniques that can pick up and decipher brain activity. He is a legit theoretical physicist.
Considering how ornery Forrest can be now while he's young, can you imagine how angry at ignorance he'll be in another 20 years?! It'll be off the charts! 🙂 It took Matt 15 years to get this angry.
What a C sucker the caller is. He can't provide evidence, but he wants citations from Forrest.
It's sad that in his mind, he thinks he's just using Forrest's "tactics" against him.
Jimmie's God might have a compound fracture. Jimmie's Gods going into shock.
Matt, for all his positives, is incredibly selfish. As Forrest is yelling "Wait, wait, wait, don't hang up," what does Matt do?
As if Forrest would've gotten an honest answer from that completely dishonest interlocutor. But you're right, it would've been an education for others.
Part of the classical definition of God is that is the source of all morality, which is a real problem because there is no religion nor religious text with blatant morality issues.
Forrest said that some neuroscientists have some pretty good ideas about the nature of consciousness. I could do a Google search to find some random articles, but does anyone have any suggestions or could point me in a good direction on whose work would be worth reading?
It feels like Matt just wants to win a fight, and Forrest sincerely wants to educate.
I wonder which one of those is naive.
Both educated him sufficiently, in their own ways. They are here mostly for the audience and they aren't native.
I don't know if it's happened yet, but one of our viewers here should probably have to call in just to tell Matt to actually chill, and let these Theists, let alone those beside him to have a moment themselves. Because honestly, it's growing difficult for me and I'm sure, be it a few maybe, to really not only remain on tune with the conversations at hand but also lose interest in those episodes featuring him now. It'd make so much sense at this point because where Forrest takes his Theists to a mental area of thought holds _so_ much interest and I'm confident can truly further assist skeptics in their journeys toward Atheism. Either way, that's where I am with the guy now.
I've been watching this (and channels like it) for years. I love how well thought-out Matt's arguments are and I can appreciate that dealing with disingenuous callers is frustrating, but something needs to change. Matt lets his anger get the best of him a LOT and it does a serious disservice to the cause. When I was a Christian, I was so embarrassed by the lies, the attitude, and the bad arguments from apologists and always felt like they lost the debate no matter how much I agreed with them. I'm and atheist now, and afraid of the damage Matt's tack on many calls just makes him (and others atheists) look bad. I know it''s fairly superficial to the actual facts, but the people who are on the fence are going to be pushed to the other side by his anger.
When he gets angry, he should just mute his own mic and let the other host take over for a bit, or at least mute the caller, say his piece and then hand it over. As it is now, he just walks all over the other hosts and runs roughshod over the callers. It's getting harder and harder to watch and I find myself enjoying episodes with Matt less than other hosts. Maybe I'm just -personally- getting tired of it, because Matt used to be my favorite. Nowadays, I feel stressed after watching him.
I like Matt, Considering the horrid shit religious people do every day to their own family members I think your critique is dumb and weirdly misplaced considering you acknowlage alot of the religous are Liars peddling lies. Do you think getting angry with liars, telling lies is wrong? I think a big problem with western society is Lairs are not called out and ridiculed and punished like they should be in all facets of life.
i tend to agree. it gives theists 'see how they are?' ammunition. gratuitous cursing is too facile, it's too easy. being mature in the face of stupidity is more impressive than losing your shit. matt had heart surgery, he needs to chill
Bullshit
Agree. It robs us of the chance to hear all these arguments. He's heard em all, I get that, but the show is for us right?
Thanks for dropping him. Yes the strip down would have been nice. Damn he was irritating.
Ok😂 That was Hilarious! Oh man he just was so simple. That's messed up dude but freaking hilarious one!❤
15:50 This has happened to me exactly one time, on a video of someone singing happy birthday.
There also used to be a TV show with my first name in the title, so from time to time I'd hear the TV calling me.
I only wish ShannonQ had been on for this call. She would have torn this guy to shreds.
HAHAHAA love that Forrest has to ask Matt to not hang up on him.
Some people can be extremely reliable in specific ways.\
Forrest will always get excited over science like he's a little kid discovering it all for the first time, and Matt will always drop a call once it becomes no longer productive. ... Unless he say's "You're Done.", in which case he just meant the specific point argued can't go any further than that step. He got me so many times with that....
“The man who mistook his wife for a hat” is a good place to start with this
Matt has an habit of hanging up when his co-hosts make it clear they still have questions. Love Matt, but wish he would give his co-hosts more opportunity.
Does Matt have magic videos posted anywhere? I saw him do a couple of illusions and I crave more.
He might have them on his own channel. I don't know for sure because I've only been on that channel a few brief times. The channel name is his own name.
If you go to this channels listed channels you'll likely find his there, or you can search his name as simple as that. 💁♂️
@guytheincognito4186 Thanks--- there are a couple there I've seen before.
There is an illusion I saw him do, in which basically he read a long passage from a book, which turned out to be blank.
Matt's interests would make an interesting Venn diagram.
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You're welcome and yeah I'd be very interested to see that diagram lol 😆
@@richiejohnson Just out of curiosity, you're saying he pretended to read off a blank page? If so, that's not an illusion.
Matt being his obnoxious self. Why not wait for your co host to ask his questions he almost begged you to allow. You really do destroy a discussion.
Doesn't make him wrong though.
@@CNCmachiningisfunwho said he was wrong? Lol he was wrong tho, to hang up on the caller when his guest was practically BEGGING to be heard...
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His guest is an idiot, as is anyone who supported him.
Matt was right.
Deal with it!
Fing Batman and Robin here! Love it!
Freaking Matt you're a top notch host but for chrissakes would you let Forrest present his freaking arguments!?!?! Some of us would like to hear other lines of thought.
If like to see a teamup between Forrest and Prof Dave.
There's an example of consciousness without a brain. Its called "Jimmie." 😅😂🤣😂😅
The Supreme Attributes of God listed by Charles Spurgeon don't fit the stories written about God by the ancient Hebrews.
"give me evidence" after he specifically said he doesn't have any evidence.
“What are your pronouns?”
“These two nouns”
"We asked for evidence. We didn't ask you to cite a kook" ROFL.
It's only funny 'cos it's true
What classifies as evidence for a God to you personally?
Michio Kaku is anything but a kook. He's a legit physicist.
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That he can demonstrate breaking the laws of physics.
Matt did Forrest wrong.
How so?
@@rammsteinrulz16 Don't get me wrong, Matt is an excellent debater but Forrest made it clear that he wanted to ask some questions. Matt knew that and still hung up.
You have to remember that Matt isn't doing that to be a control freak or a dick. He's just trying to keep the show on track and not waste the time of the viewers and callers on hold by going around in circles with a dishonest interlocutor.
@@sle2470 I don't think allowing Forrest to ask questions is a waste of viewers time. I find him to be one of the most honest, open and intelligent hosts. I still feel that Matt knew Forrest had questions and didn't allow him to ask them.
@@flipwright1138 That's my point. The guy clearly had no intention of answering honestly. It's a waste of everyone's time.
The perfect host would be some amalgamation of Matt and Forrest. I generally think Matt is stronger in these discussions, but he's been doing this so long that he quickly gets bored and frustrated with the caller. Forrest still has enthusiasm for the project.
Conversations with Matt Dillahunty are rarely civil or preductive
(Joke) "Only the hairdresser knows -->> If it's Supernatural!"
Michio Kaku doesn't cover neuroscience. He's talked about consciousness but not the way he's talking. He also doesn't believe in god.
What episode is this from? I want to see the whole show.
if the brain were some kind of receiver for a universally pervasive awareness, changes in consciousness due to changes in the brain would be expected
To those who are grammatically challenged, "king" or "lord" are NOT pronouns. They are nouns. There are 7 types of pronouns and those nouns are not cited in any definition..
Anything can be a pronoun if you use it in place of another noun. 🤔 Caller was still a douche, though.
technically you can use pronouns king/lord. but usually (99.99% of the time) it's trolls who use those "pronouns" to be transphobic towards others
Matt strikes again. Literally as Forrest is yelling "wait, wait, wait," Matt hangs up. He has the patience of a 2-year old.
I think I could argue for a conscience outside of our spacetime affecting our world.
So far what we know the quantum processes are governed by a probability rather then concrete action - reaction way. I think within this there is a room for outside influence. It's like having a electronic dice and using their control only in specific selected moments to influence the overall outcome. It would be hardly noticeable that somehow there was a series of low portable quantum effects resulting in something. The mind being outside our spacetime would be like a player being outside game engine of the game he plays on the computer.
None of this can be in any way (so far, depends on how we will progress in quantum physics) so it is pointless, more over it doesn't fit any religion as the God is not technically omnipotent as he is limited to cascades of effects and precision planning.
Just a fun thought I had caused by the massive denial by the hosts that there couldn't be a concience without brain.
Technically that holds for my idea too as the brain holding the concience is just outside our space-time where it would probably have a similar vessel.
The caller asked if God can be a being that is not supernatural, that question was answered by reading things into what God is.
However, the God of the Bible is portrayed as being a physical being, so why not address the question from that point of view
how about try god of the bible - all lower case. as soon as the so-called god of the bible is supported by evidence then we can capitalize
Why would anyone need a cite to agree that a stroke can lead to a diminished level of consciousness or that an injury can change a personality or that an organic brain illness like Alzheimer’s can alter the level of consciousness?
I could accept the hypothesis that plants or fungus evidence some level or type of consciousness, but that would depend on the definition of consciousness.
About minute 5 i was reminded of consciousness emerging out of complexity so the universe is very complex then it exists in fragments over universe thing is us humans this something is normal but we have specific way of ignoring and discriminating reality likr i rly dont need to know about air to breathe i can just breathe. That is only argument thatbis solid that i see from him
1:50 - Jimmie, gods are by definition supernatural. Using the term in a different way is nonstandard usage that needs to be addressed and agreed to before a meaningful conversation can progress.
My pronouns are toasted, cheese and sandwich.
Those pronouns... Too bad that line of inquiry didn't get pursued.
Can someone explain Matts comment when the caller mentioned Michio Kaku. Has he said something controversial or what?
I never liked Michio Kaku. For me he is way too often detached from reality in the productions I have seen. In a few occasions he was completely and demonstrably wrong about alleged UFO sightings, which was disappointing.
@@pavel9652 That is a shame.
Sort of answers what I asked you under another comment.
Thanks!
I'm going to take a wild guess and assume he was speaking about these UFO sightings on Joe Rogan? Lol.
@@Asdasty Possibly, great audience for this sort of things anyway. I am pretty sure he was speculating about the three videos: go fast, gimbal and the flir, all of which had been already thoroughly debunked. He isn't sceptical enough about these things and his comments only add fuel to already detached from reality UFO communities.
I'd ilbe surprised if Michio actually make that claim. It's probably His Lordship misunderstanding something Michio said.
The best Matt❤
No one going to talk about the fact that their pronouns were king/lord
Forrest wanted to.
What if I want to contribute to you keeping him in the basement... you know add some enrichment to his enclosure and keep him making videos?
My dog thinks I am a god !
My dog thinks SHE is a god. Makes her hard to discipline.
This is the...... Science,theory is just a quess or opinion...... Argument .
I occasionally watch TAE just to see not if but when Matt will explode into a tirade of condescending intolerance.
Didn't take long with this caller.
Dang, Matt cut him off right as it was getting good.
Jimmy must have read A.A. Attanasio's "The Last Legends of Earth" where DNA is an antenna and consciousness is a waveform that gets picked up by it.
And chemtrails are proof of the pizzagate green cheese moon. LOL! I work with three morons that adding all their stupid undefended claims make me believe that UFOs are Bigfoot Loch Ness Monster Dracula Gold Island Fools. LOL!
I don't like how Matt has reached his boiling point of not even taking into consideration his co hosts being able to get a word in. All these years doing this have clearly shortened his fuse 🤷♂️🤦♂️
Matt Dillahunty is Eric Cartman. Sorry, Forrest.
Making an assertion, saying you have no evidence, and then condescendingly laughing when someone asks you why you believe something without evidence? Really, Jimmie?
Matt you ruin the show with the interrupting him. Ffs stop saying Jimmy Jimmy Jimmy
Man Matt is the worst
Matt really needs to pick up his anger management therapy again.
If a god is not supernatural, it can't have created all of nature. If a god is not supernatural, it doesn't change or effect nature in any way that is not itself natural. There could be no miracles, no omnipresence or omnipotence. Ultimately, a god which is not supernatural is not a god.
I think the answer is a God that created the world 6,000 years ago, but created it 13.7 billion years old (for example).
Nah, man. It was made last Tuesday.
Matt is a beast!! Dominates every time. I love it
If our brains are receivers, let's test if we can block/interrupt a signal. Put me in a farraday cage inside a prison with 30 ft thick lead walls, and drop me in the ocean. That would be enough to block almost every kind of incoming "signal".
I'm betting my consciousness will be just fine. Unless I start licking the lead walls or run out of oxygen.
The caller is a terrible theological debater, but his pronoun satire is hilarious.
Where's the empirical evidence of the claimed diatinction between not believing p and believing -p? I'd live to see some.
God or gods do not exist that is why people have a perception or perceptions of a god or gods.
You saying his pronouns are confussing cracked me up....
How the hell do people not understand what pronouns are