4motion is a garbage half-awd system (other half is abs system -without it, haldex is not awd system) and arteon is a cheap vw GOLF platform, nothing to compare against real audi platform (a4 and up)
@@napraznicul lol 4Motion performs as well as Torsen if not better in all situation, it has been tested by many people, the Arteon is not cheap,VW competes vs Mazda or other upscale car maker, Audi is Luxury brand that competes vs BMW or Merc Benz. You are an ignorant that spouts nonsense. The MQB platform is standard for most VAG products, nothing bad about it.
Arteon is a poor golf in larger coat.. look underneath before speak, don't pretend you're "initiated" just because you read some promo papers at showroom :))) Arteon as well as audi s3, are more expensive vw golf's. Were designed for people who wish, but can't afford a REALLY Audi. As well as haldex is a garbage of HALF awd sistem (other half is the abs system of that car) that is in fact.. a permanent FWD system, not even an permanent awd.
x Alexandru Two reasons. First - both cars were on sale at the same time (2017 and 2018). Second - check the description of my channel. I don't have access to any car I want like some automotive journalists.
I will bett the Audi fanboys will disagree 🤣 there both good systems. I always say that the worst awd system with good tires is always better than the best awd system with shit tires.
It's a overcomplicated and not reliable system who's USELESS without abs controller and sensors.. so IS'T a real standalone AWD system, but just A PART OF ONE. A part of one that isn't "permanent awd", but ..permanent FWD! :)))
Adrian22 bullshit the total diameter is almost the same. However, more tire is more traction, these have more rubber so it increases surface. So... audi had more opportunity to win...
My 4motion in my 2017 jetta kicked in on a large turn coming out of this mountain tunnel so there is a steep grade when you come out. When it started flashing and i heard this dinging alarm go off. I had no idea what was even causing it to activate but then I felt the car catch itself.... So I was already IN Freaking danger and the car took over before I even realised!! 6 months later a drunk driver hit me at 50 after he ran a red.... Didn't even feel the impact felt like I was on one of those teacup rides I used to make my friends puke on. Got out the car without a scratch. I got another one. I'm sold lol.
You compare an old a6 of 2011 and a new arteon of 2016-2017.. It's not the same platform and quattro system had been modified since this date to adapt to new standard of the newest platform As the 4 motion had been adapted to the new platform compared to old ones as well
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers why dont you try A4 B9 quattro compare with Arteon? the Arteon use NEW 4-Motion system but C7 A6 still old quattro this test looks like a old man bullying by a teenage
Niezła wiarygodność testu: 2 kompletnie różne samochody, z różnych lat produkcji,z różnymi specyfikacjami, które łączy jedynie silnik i nieudolny kierowca. Radziłbym popracować nad tym, bo kanał porusza ciekawy kontent, ale robi to trochę na skróty.
@@Karol-sg5yr Zapewne, ale my jesteśmy tylko hobbistycznym kanałem. A właściciel samochodu za kierownicą daje gwarancję niezależności testu - każdy przecież chce, żeby jego auto wypadło jak najlepiej ;-) Jeśli są problemy, to podpowiadamy co robić, żeby wyciągnąć z auta max możliwości.
Driving sportly quattro (Torsen) is better than Haldex. However the electronic control of the hydraulich 4 motion's coupling is amazing. I've a Generation v on my tiguan and on twist situation or in "offroad" the car's behaviour is fantastic. I've also a a6 torsen.
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers for sure Haldex is an understeering system.never more thant 50% power to the rear axel. Torsen is oversteering because can transfere more than 50% behind. For driving pleasure Torsen 100%. With haldex is difficult to do a U turn drifting. With torsen you can do it closing the eyes.....it'completly natural. However both systems in 99% of daily situations are very good. I feel haldex more electronically controlled instead Torsen. Torsen is more intuitive in snow and ice if you want to drift
@@roby_5259 That's not exactly correct. Haldex can transfer almost 100% of torque to the back, it just can't spin rear wheels faster than front. Torsen can't send so much torque, but it can spin rear wheels faster than front. In case of Haldex it is all about the software. It is interesting that many opinions say that Quattro Ultra (the same principle of operation as Haldex) is less oversteering than torsen. And in fact it is possible to do a U turn drifting with such systems if software allows for that.
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers i'm not completly sure about 100% rear torque of haldex. There's not a central differential that split the torque on the 2 output axle form the one in input (from the garbox). On torsen the central diff can redure the front torque and transfere it to the rear. On haldex there's not central differential. The coupling transmit torque from the shaft to the rear differential from 0 to a percentage that can't be more than the front axe. Never seen in my car situation where borh front wheel are stoped and rear are spinning. On some audi with torsen l there situation on ice where the car can turn on itself with front wheel quite stopped and rear spinning With haldex impossible. I've also a TT quattro with haldex 1 gen without esp or asr. You can drift a bit more on snow because the behaviour of the coupling is less controlled and more on/off with a huge rear push when it switch on. Always in my opinion. However it's a great discussion
@@roby_5259 Everything you wrote is correct but it concerns wheel spin, not torque. In case of haldex it can't be 100% of torque sent to the the rear, but almost 100%. In reality it can be probably about 90%. That comes from haldex abillity to lock itself and from weight transfer (for example during acceleration haldex can send to the rear more torque than torsen). I don't know how new haldex systems are programmed, but there should be no ON/OFF noticable feeling like in old generations.
You should test the Vitara on an incline of 10 degrees at least , also these 2 big noys on the incline should be tested. In real life situations most of the cars need the 4×4 in an incline not on straight road.
Ionut-Alexandru Constantinescu My rollers are kind of incline (or a curb), car must climb up to get out. Here you have Vitara on incline: th-cam.com/video/QtA5dd9rEoU/w-d-xo.html
Mega ucieszyl mnie ten wynik. Ale jeszcze bardziej cieszy mnie bol 4 liter fanatykow znaczku z 4 kolkami...hehe. Nie ma to jak Arteon. Najlepsze auto jakie widzialem i mialem okazje prowadzic. Inne po prostu sie chowaja. Kto nie wierzy, niech sie przejedzie. Schowa stereotypy do kieszeni. Bo jestem pewien, ze gdyby w tym aucie zamiast znaczka VW byly 4 kolka badz BMW, to wszyscy by piali z zachwytu...przestancie patrzec na marke, a zacznijcie na samochod.
Both are good cars...chill out guys. So much hate. Thanks for the video. I have had a a6 quattro and a touareg 4motion both of them i liked a lot. I also have had a cc but no 4motion sadly.
I don’t know if you use volunteer vehicles but if at all possible can you try some “S” or “RS” models? I wonder how much of a difference the torque split makes!
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers sorry I didn't know that! You should be getting paid :) if I was in your country I would happily give you my golf r. Can I ask in your knowledge, does the golf r mk7 use the exact same haldex as the Tiguan? Thank you again for your videos!
@@MarcraM82 Thanks :) I think they both use Haldex V, but this fact doesn't matter. What matters is software which controls it and I am sure it is very different for both cars.
Surprised 4Motion did better. Not sure if the driver was trying to avoid wheel spin or if Audi’s traction control is less aggressive but still very impressionable on the Arteon.
Far too much wheelspin and time until some control unit decides to give power to the wheel with traction. Fake wheel drive describes this marketing gimmik better.
This is not a fake wheel drive , waht you are talking about is DIF LOCK , not 4x4 , how so meany like and false statement i dont know but usually things are like that ,so let me tell you DIF LOCK is when there is no spin and all tyres rotate same speed , quatro is power to the 4 wheels how they spin is up to the individual setup , here its basic with ESP. Maybe they have torque vectoring advanced DIF , maybe even lock i dont know , but what i do know is that it aint no fake quatro, its real
@@bmoney7764 who , me ? nah i drive shitty old Citroen C5 , European car , it has Hydraulic suspension very comfy to ride in, problem is , there is no feel , no joy in driving , cant even spin it , handbrake is on front wheels , very strange car , i would like one Subaru , better then Audi , and nice petrol engine , but , i dont think its gonna happen soon .
I have a 2003 Passat 4motion 131hp with stage 1 software up to 170hp in theory, never put it on dino. All I can say is that this car ia impecable on the road corners and drives so smooth. Have nothing to say bad about 4motion even for that old generation.
I don‘t know, that‘s why I am asking: does the wheelsize matter in this test? To be honest, I did not expect the Audi to be beaten by a VW, although the Audi is the older car..
ZiBOMG / Armed Ended. No, it used to work like that. Now it kicks in when wheels may have tendency to spin. Haldex in Quattro is in all models below A4/Q5, also in TT & R8.
@Frag EightyFive In Arteon it is 100% electronically controlled. In A6 there is mechanical center diff, so the system is partly electronically controlled.
It's very interesting, that the rollers get "thrown away" by the Audi. The Arteon, however, seems to react much quicker, because the rollers don't move any milimeter. Good job, VW.
Quattro and 4Motion are not systems, these are trademarks. The systems underneath may be the same or may be different, it depends which model is considered.
Dla osoby nie znajacej sie zupelnie na tych napedach,zakopanej w sniegu lub slizgajacej sie pod gorke na lodzie. Bo takie bym potrzebowal,mam do domu stromy podjazd okolo 100 metrow,i slabo odsnierzane z 30 metrow. Jaki samochod bys polecil? Sedan,ewentualnie kombi do 30 tys pln. Z gory dziekuje za podpowiedzi.
FLEXATRON Nie znam rynku samochodów używanych, ale myślę, że w tej cenie i przy takich potrzebach (sedan oraz niewielkie potrzeby 4x4) warto rozważyć dwa samochody - Suzuki Kizashi AWD (możliwość jazdy w trybach 2WD i 4WD) oraz Mitsubishi Lancer (możliwość jazdy w trybach 2WD, 4WD oraz LOCK). Niestety Lancer w takiej wersji nie występował w Europie, trzeba szukać wersji USA/Kanada.
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers hmm nigdy nie slyszalem o takim suzuki,na zdjeciach wyglada super,lekko sportowo. Tylko chyba bedzie troche maly jak dla mnie. Jestem wysoki i nie naleze do tych chudych. Nie smiej sie ale myslalem o pastuchu b6 po 2008 roku,2.0 z automatem. Z obluga nie powinno byc problemu,tylko ze to auto nudne do bolu. Teraz mam mondeo mk4,tez popularny samochod. Ale bezproblemowy i jak dla mnie ok,tylko ze juz dwa razy nie podjechalem zima do domu z powodu sniegu.
@@pandemia9346 No to zależy, jakie masz potrzeby :) Podałem dwa raczej nie nudne auta z możliwością jazdy z napędem tylko na przód. Pastuch rzeczywiście nudny, ale i łatwy w utrzymaniu. A Mondeo nie występuje w wersji AWD? Może Insignia AWD lub jakieś Volvo AWD?
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers mondeo z tego co wiem tylko na przod,insignia mi za mala niestety. Mondeo ,audi a6, skoda superb i na styk pastuch sa wielkosciowo dla mnie ok jesli chodzi o rozmiar. Przynajmniej na nic innego nie trafilem przy wybieraniu samochodu. Mam 190cm wzrostu i 140 kg wagi,a za moim fotelem chcialbym jednak kogos wozic💪
This is so weird when people compare cars on rollers...It’s not a real road, dirt or snow. Now compare the same cars on dirt, snow and you will see the real results.
Test na rolkach nie pokazuje wyższości jednego napędu nad drugim a jedynie lepsze lub gorsze zachowanie danego napędu na...rolkach. Dodatkowo nie piszesz nic o oponach - są te same i w takim samym stopniu zużyte?
I see nobody here notices that in 3 out of 4 situations Torsen system performs better (as in "faster"). Only at the last test it needed ESP off. If we are to be professionals we can also notice different size of rims and therefore different width of tire. While Audi is bigger and heavier car, it rolls on 17" rims with narrow tyres (probably 225) while Arteon is lighter and rolls on 19" rims with probably 235 tyre or more...Now how can that be relevant?
If we are to be professionals then we must notice than: - there are 5 situations, not 4 ;) - it is not clear if there is torsen or crown gear diff in this Audi, whatever it is - it is here less important than traction control system - Arteon has 245 tyre, Audi 225 tyre. That doesn't influence the test cause non of the tyres lost grip on pavement.
VAG Volkswagen Audi Group these aren’t identical platforms yet it’s not a good comparison as the same engineers develop for both marquees. An Audi compared with a BMW or a Subaru would be a fairer comparison
@@marekmarek7368 W tym teście ważniejsza jest kontrola trakcji niż sam torsen czy haldex, aczkolwiek haldex ma tutaj przewagę - potrafi zblokować osie. Torsen był lepszy od haldexa w dawnych czasach, obecnie algorytmy sterujące to już zupełnie inna bajka, tak samo jak sama praca haldexa.
@@unexplainedwearenotalone3537 both systems have certain advantages. For example torsen is permanent AWD, Haldex system not. But Haldex can provide full locking between front and rear axle. Additionally a Haldex clutch needs a lot of electronic assistant... a classic Torsen is based on pure mechanic principles
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers every new haldex system can disengage the rear diff completely, but it just depends on what each manufacturer tunes the haldex to behave like that matters. The new quattro ultra system even disengages the entire middle axle to the rear to be as efficient as possible.
I don't know is your goal to underrate and embarrasse quattro system, because you always do audi vs (other car). But remember, the fact is : Out of your rollers, in real world the quattro is top system. (also symmetrical awd).
nista nista Did you watch my other videos or just the ones with Audi? I tested about 60 cars, there is over a hundred movies, Audi is just part of them. Here you have cars from the same segment and producer (vag).
@@andreidan92 must have drunken when I typed that. Meant to say: I would maybe take an Arteon over A4 which is closely priced - A4 is a premium badge but its a sedan with less practicality. However I would take A5 over Arteon on anyday even if I have to pay a little bit more. VW has horrible reliability and although it's not a premium, its maintenance cost feels premium.
A 10hp lawnmower tractor would be able to pull the car of the rollers if it has traction, there is absolutely no need for anything close to 190-240hp. You can not brute force traction with more power, that is why a 30 year old Landrover with mechanical locked difs is better offroad then a new Audi, the Audi is then better at almost everything else compared to the Landrover.
So, no difference at all, why does everyone crap on about Quattro being so much better? Clearly by this test shows there is no difference, except maybe in the price.
@@kryspin8571 za każdym razem gdy wsiadam do vw'ów to kłuje ten emblemat na kierownicy. Bez względu na to jak jest w środku czy na zewnątrz. Więc uważam że samochód to też marka, więc się jeździ przede wszystkim znaczkiem. Potwierdza to phaeton, miał być hitem a ze względu na emblemat jest klapą. Oraz to że gdyby np dacia duster miała znaczek renault to bym prędzej to kupił niż ze znaczkiem daci. Są rynki gdzie renault by żadnej daci nie sprzedało i musieli dać emblematy renault. Znaczkiem się jeździ.
What confuses me is that the Audi performs worse than the Volkswagen. That’s very strange as 4motion, Audi Quattro, seat 4 drive and skoda equivalent systems from my knowledge all uses haldex system. Same system, different name. Older Audi’s use a torsen diff
Quattro the best. 4motion not yet there. What's the point of doing this? Should depend on tyre thread though I think and those things are spinning. Put them on the road
@@MzwandileHarmans Yes, that may be, but both cars were on sale at the same time (2017 & 2018). Besides such things may be changed only by software (like it was in Q5). And if I take the newest A6, then it won't be "real quattro" etc...
Michał Fedryna Don't look on the size of alloy wheels, but on the outer diameter of tires, it is very similar in both cases. Here is huge difference in sizes and it doesn't influence the test much: th-cam.com/video/QV90BWie1l4/w-d-xo.html
Widzę ból 4 liter i płaczki się odzywaj że Audi zostało objechane przez VW 😂 rozmiar i jaka opona nie ma znaczenia gdy jedno koło dotyka podłoża. Ludzie tutaj napęd i systemy wspomagające maja znaczenie. Audi lovers nie moga uwierzyć 😂😂😂
Tylko że w terenie VW by zdechł, a Audi nie miałoby problemu. Laboratorium, a rzeczywistość to dwie różne bajki 😉 Quattro to mechanika, 4Motion elektronika. Ja wolę mechanikę.
@@MartinXCV sprawdziłes? Oba auta nie są do terenu :) wątpię żeby akurat w tym przypadku VW odstawal w momencie kiedy wygrał na rolkach gdzie 2 lub 3 koła traciły przyczepność :)
Audi ze starego rocznika porównywalne do vw z nowszego , wiec najpierw wez to pod uwagę , a wiec brawo Radku za spostrzegawczość miłośniku rdzewiejącego golfa
@@adolf3242 koleś quattro to quattro.. Jest to napęd 100 % mechaniczny. Nie znasz się a komentujesz. Musze Ciebie zasmucic bo nie jeżdżę golfem. Stać mnie na lepsze auto
Что вы сравниваете 2 одинаковые машины? У обеих стоит торсен и муфта халдекс 5 поколения! И вообще это одна платформа, один концерн, один и тот же двигатель в разных фантиках разных лет выпуска.
Если что торсен это центральный дифференциал, его придумали на фольксваген групп ещё до войны, это типа первая система полного привода и ставили её на военную технику, а ауди со временем доработал систему, назвали кваттро, и ставили на гражданские автомобили
Totally unrealistic test. First i'd say Areton has bigger rims which gives him bigger surface and easily grabs metal fixed part of rolls. Thus when it happens later is ieasy to ger out. Audi has not such advantage on this test. 2ndly.. go drive on snow then we can see which one is better
Ivan Gavran Arteon has bigger rims, but look at the outer diameter of tires, they are about the same. Both cars didn't touch the frame, but even if they did - it doesn't help, it doesn't give any traction. Here is example of car with huge wheels vs car with very small wheels, it is not the factor which may cause a fail or pass of the test: th-cam.com/video/QV90BWie1l4/w-d-xo.html
Тест так себе. Колеса то разные и накат у фольца лечше из-за этого. Ауди всегда на уровень выше. Все новшества сначала дают ауди, потом фольцам, а потом уже шкодам....
Heh im dissapointed, how can haldex be better than torsen? How? It means that audi doesnt have one. Torsen is goving power for two pairs of wheels, so it must be same power on each wheel... Explain me why there power is not giving for each wheel at the same time?? Audi dissaponts me in his "quattro" "torsen" it isn torsen and solid all wheel power
@Najman Torsen is not powering directly two pairs of wheels, but two open differentials (front and rear). And if there is no traction (zero grip), torsen is powering only the wheels with no grip (in simplification), just like open differential.
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers but we see that isnt true, not only wheel which has grip is powered, it works very bad, wheel with grip has too low power, it works with big latency, im not satisfy, for me they have a lot of work to done it perfectly
@@jurek9808 I think you must take a lesson about open differentials and torsen to understand what is happening and how it works. It has nothing to do with Audi itself.
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I must admit I didn't expect 4motion to be better than quattro
Arteon is a very very beautiful car.
inside same passat
Completely agree, however it's pretty sad that it's a Passat in terms of handling and interior.
@@dvanderhoorn5605 Even worse it s heavier than a passat
Although 4Motion in the Arteon is a Haldex system (like on all MQB cars), it is surprisingly capable.
4Motion is so underrated, that Arteon looks gorgeous
Don't forget that the Arteon is maybe as expensive or even more expensive than the Audi 😉
@@jorgeferreira2009 XD a6 is much More expensive
4motion is a garbage half-awd system (other half is abs system -without it, haldex is not awd system) and arteon is a cheap vw GOLF platform, nothing to compare against real audi platform (a4 and up)
@@napraznicul lol 4Motion performs as well as Torsen if not better in all situation, it has been tested by many people, the Arteon is not cheap,VW competes vs Mazda or other upscale car maker, Audi is Luxury brand that competes vs BMW or Merc Benz. You are an ignorant that spouts nonsense. The MQB platform is standard for most VAG products, nothing bad about it.
Arteon is a poor golf in larger coat.. look underneath before speak, don't pretend you're "initiated" just because you read some promo papers at showroom :)))
Arteon as well as audi s3, are more expensive vw golf's. Were designed for people who wish, but can't afford a REALLY Audi.
As well as haldex is a garbage of HALF awd sistem (other half is the abs system of that car) that is in fact.. a permanent FWD system, not even an permanent awd.
2016 vs 2018? Why not 2018 vs 2018? A6 2018 vs Arteon 2018. Or Passat CC 2016 vs A6 2016.
x Alexandru Two reasons. First - both cars were on sale at the same time (2017 and 2018). Second - check the description of my channel. I don't have access to any car I want like some automotive journalists.
Quattro beats everyone
I have passat cc we selling car
Exactly the arteon have new technology that’s all
@@tadassimasevicius9641 video does not show that
The A6 actually surprised me that it performed worse than the 4Motion
Quattro generally perfoms realy realy bad. Quattro is overrated as fuck.
4Motion is very good working.
I will bett the Audi fanboys will disagree 🤣 there both good systems. I always say that the worst awd system with good tires is always better than the best awd system with shit tires.
@@martijnhoogesteger4466 🤣but I don't think they will say that because they both have VAG groups.
@@kaanco35 exactly and all Audis under A4 have the same system.
It's a overcomplicated and not reliable system who's USELESS without abs controller and sensors.. so IS'T a real standalone AWD system, but just A PART OF ONE. A part of one that isn't "permanent awd", but ..permanent FWD! :)))
Audi fanboys only says "try on snow" 😂😂
Arteon looks great, but they've castrated the engine compared to the CC's VR6.
You are officially my best friend.
I sold audi a5 quatro and took next car vw cc r36 4motion and im happy to see its pretty good actually
Interesting test between two beautiful and powerful cars
Stas Como estas it's 2.0 diesel, its not powerful
powerfull! wtf
Yeah maybe next time when they really take 2 beautiful and powerful cars
😄😂
So ... the 4Motin works better than the Quattro. Or at least coming out of rollers. I'm surprised. Way to go.
small rims audi, big rims vw, it's normal to pull wv better
Adrian22 bullshit the total diameter is almost the same. However, more tire is more traction, these have more rubber so it increases surface.
So... audi had more opportunity to win...
My 4motion in my 2017 jetta kicked in on a large turn coming out of this mountain tunnel so there is a steep grade when you come out. When it started flashing and i heard this dinging alarm go off. I had no idea what was even causing it to activate but then I felt the car catch itself.... So I was already IN Freaking danger and the car took over before I even realised!!
6 months later a drunk driver hit me at 50 after he ran a red.... Didn't even feel the impact felt like I was on one of those teacup rides I used to make my friends puke on. Got out the car without a scratch. I got another one. I'm sold lol.
You compare an old a6 of 2011 and a new arteon of 2016-2017..
It's not the same platform and quattro system had been modified since this date to adapt to new standard of the newest platform
As the 4 motion had been adapted to the new platform compared to old ones as well
Benoît Morganti Correct, but both cars were on sale at the same time (2017-2018).
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers True, but the A6 c7 is still too old. The current Quattro system would be interesting to see compared to others
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers why dont you try A4 B9 quattro compare with Arteon?
the Arteon use NEW 4-Motion system but C7 A6 still old quattro
this test looks like a old man bullying by a teenage
@@PTMOTODAILY Both cars were on sale at the same time (2017-2018). I will test B9 if I find a volunteer with this car.
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers sale at the same time but born from different generation
I'll looking forward for B9 or C8 quatrro test
Niezła wiarygodność testu: 2 kompletnie różne samochody, z różnych lat produkcji,z różnymi specyfikacjami, które łączy jedynie silnik i nieudolny kierowca. Radziłbym popracować nad tym, bo kanał porusza ciekawy kontent, ale robi to trochę na skróty.
Obydwa samochody można było kupić jako nowe w tym samym czasie. Kierowcy różni.
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers a to przepraszam, myślałem że kierowcy Ci sami
@@Karol-sg5yr Kierowcy to właściciele samochodów, z reguły to oni najlepiej znają swoje auta. No i ogólnie taka jest idea kanału.
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers w pewnym sensie racja, ale co profesjonalny kierowca to profesjonalny kierowca ;)
@@Karol-sg5yr Zapewne, ale my jesteśmy tylko hobbistycznym kanałem. A właściciel samochodu za kierownicą daje gwarancję niezależności testu - każdy przecież chce, żeby jego auto wypadło jak najlepiej ;-) Jeśli są problemy, to podpowiadamy co robić, żeby wyciągnąć z auta max możliwości.
Driving sportly quattro (Torsen) is better than Haldex.
However the electronic control of the hydraulich 4 motion's coupling is amazing.
I've a Generation v on my tiguan and on twist situation or in "offroad" the car's behaviour is fantastic.
I've also a a6 torsen.
How about understeer, what can you say about it in case of those two cars?
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers for sure Haldex is an understeering system.never more thant 50% power to the rear axel.
Torsen is oversteering because can transfere more than 50% behind.
For driving pleasure Torsen 100%.
With haldex is difficult to do a U turn drifting.
With torsen you can do it closing the eyes.....it'completly natural.
However both systems in 99% of daily situations are very good.
I feel haldex more electronically controlled instead Torsen.
Torsen is more intuitive in snow and ice if you want to drift
@@roby_5259 That's not exactly correct. Haldex can transfer almost 100% of torque to the back, it just can't spin rear wheels faster than front. Torsen can't send so much torque, but it can spin rear wheels faster than front.
In case of Haldex it is all about the software. It is interesting that many opinions say that Quattro Ultra (the same principle of operation as Haldex) is less oversteering than torsen. And in fact it is possible to do a U turn drifting with such systems if software allows for that.
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers i'm not completly sure about 100% rear torque of haldex.
There's not a central differential that split the torque on the 2 output axle form the one in input (from the garbox).
On torsen the central diff can redure the front torque and transfere it to the rear.
On haldex there's not central differential.
The coupling transmit torque from the shaft to the rear differential from 0 to a percentage that can't be more than the front axe.
Never seen in my car situation where borh front wheel are stoped and rear are spinning.
On some audi with torsen l there situation on ice where the car can turn on itself with front wheel quite stopped and rear spinning
With haldex impossible.
I've also a TT quattro with haldex 1 gen without esp or asr.
You can drift a bit more on snow because the behaviour of the coupling is less controlled and more on/off with a huge rear push when it switch on.
Always in my opinion.
However it's a great discussion
@@roby_5259 Everything you wrote is correct but it concerns wheel spin, not torque. In case of haldex it can't be 100% of torque sent to the the rear, but almost 100%. In reality it can be probably about 90%. That comes from haldex abillity to lock itself and from weight transfer (for example during acceleration haldex can send to the rear more torque than torsen). I don't know how new haldex systems are programmed, but there should be no ON/OFF noticable feeling like in old generations.
Seems like the times of mechanical torsen quattro is come and gone. The newer haldex 4motion is very well designed.
You should test the Vitara on an incline of 10 degrees at least , also these 2 big noys on the incline should be tested. In real life situations most of the cars need the 4×4 in an incline not on straight road.
Ionut-Alexandru Constantinescu My rollers are kind of incline (or a curb), car must climb up to get out.
Here you have Vitara on incline: th-cam.com/video/QtA5dd9rEoU/w-d-xo.html
Mega ucieszyl mnie ten wynik. Ale jeszcze bardziej cieszy mnie bol 4 liter fanatykow znaczku z 4 kolkami...hehe. Nie ma to jak Arteon. Najlepsze auto jakie widzialem i mialem okazje prowadzic. Inne po prostu sie chowaja. Kto nie wierzy, niech sie przejedzie.
Schowa stereotypy do kieszeni. Bo jestem pewien, ze gdyby w tym aucie zamiast znaczka VW byly 4 kolka badz BMW, to wszyscy by piali z zachwytu...przestancie patrzec na marke, a zacznijcie na samochod.
Both are good cars...chill out guys. So much hate. Thanks for the video. I have had a a6 quattro and a touareg 4motion both of them i liked a lot. I also have had a cc but no 4motion sadly.
They both sound like tractors.
It is diesel 😎
diesel bro
Not every diesel sounds like tractor. E.g.: vw's 3.0 TDI or 3.0 M57 from BMW, it's just shitty 4pot engine, that's why it sounds like tractor.
Tyal the a6 is a quattro. Ever seen a 2.0L tdi quattro A6?
Diesel is an engine for trucks busses and tractors. Only greedy people buy cars with them :)
Damn that VW looks good.
I don’t know if you use volunteer vehicles but if at all possible can you try some “S” or “RS” models? I wonder how much of a difference the torque split makes!
G Pete If there will be any volunteer with S or RS, then sure, we will test it.
+duszaniespokojna you need to try audi s4 vs vw arteon gti
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers Please try Golf 4motion
4 motion wins😃
2016 vs 2018... they did a lot of improvements in 2018 with the new A8 kinda unfair tbh but in the end same car
Audi wins
Both have 4 motion 😂
I love your videos! Well done and thank you. Can I ask a request for golf r vs WRX Sti or RS3
@MarcraM82 Thanks. This is hobby channel, I think it won't be easy for me to find volunteers with the cars you mentioned...
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers sorry I didn't know that! You should be getting paid :) if I was in your country I would happily give you my golf r. Can I ask in your knowledge, does the golf r mk7 use the exact same haldex as the Tiguan? Thank you again for your videos!
@@MarcraM82 Thanks :)
I think they both use Haldex V, but this fact doesn't matter. What matters is software which controls it and I am sure it is very different for both cars.
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers ok thank you so I assume the software is much more aggressive on the golf r.
@@MarcraM82 That's how it is now. Tens of cars have the same awd system, the battle is on software level.
Very interesting! Waiting for quattro c7 vs quattro ultra c8 test ;)
@zeon4eg So far I tested Ultra in A4 and Q5, check my videos!
Audi=VW same cars
but use different AWD systems, this is new Haldex Gen5 vs Torsen
Not even the same platform is shared between these 2 cars.....
Not the same AWD so how is it the same ? As far as I know, the defintion of "the same" is a little different
Oooooo u r so stupid.
Alek
Same tyre size/brand? you sure? noone cant beat quattro and never would do it. Its just Arteon AD im sure. Audi q7 2017 driver.
Happy Gnome
Quattro was beaten many times, that is nothing unusual, but I don't understand what you mean in the rest of your comment...
Surprised 4Motion did better. Not sure if the driver was trying to avoid wheel spin or if Audi’s traction control is less aggressive but still very impressionable on the Arteon.
Traction control in Audi allows for much more wheelspin than in VW.
Far too much wheelspin and time until some control unit decides to give power to the wheel with traction. Fake wheel drive describes this marketing gimmik better.
This is not a fake wheel drive , waht you are talking about is DIF LOCK , not 4x4 , how so meany like and false statement i dont know but usually things are like that ,so let me tell you DIF LOCK is when there is no spin and all tyres rotate same speed , quatro is power to the 4 wheels how they spin is up to the individual setup , here its basic with ESP. Maybe they have torque vectoring advanced DIF , maybe even lock i dont know , but what i do know is that it aint no fake quatro, its real
You must be a my shit don’t stink, I’m better than everyone else subie wrx/sti driver
@@bmoney7764 who , me ? nah i drive shitty old Citroen C5 , European car , it has Hydraulic suspension very comfy to ride in, problem is , there is no feel , no joy in driving , cant even spin it , handbrake is on front wheels , very strange car , i would like one Subaru , better then Audi , and nice petrol engine , but , i dont think its gonna happen soon .
Chcecie pożyczyć A4 245km 3 litry ropniok Allroad?
DamiX Elektro Pewnie :) Skąd jesteś?
So many butthurt Audi fans in here its funny:)
Yeah I'm butthurt lmao
I have a 2003 Passat 4motion 131hp with stage 1 software up to 170hp in theory, never put it on dino. All I can say is that this car ia impecable on the road corners and drives so smooth. Have nothing to say bad about 4motion even for that old generation.
Passat B5 4Motion IS technically A6 C5 Quattro. So its no 4motion thing.
4 Motion better ?????? Wow
4Motion and Quattro are essentially the one same thing.
which one is audi and which is arteon?
I don‘t know, that‘s why I am asking: does the wheelsize matter in this test? To be honest, I did not expect the Audi to be beaten by a VW, although the Audi is the older car..
@Ser Kai In this case wheels are almost the same. Well, in Audi they are slightly bigger, but it doesn't influence the test (that's not a labolatory)
4motion kicks in when wheels begin to spin right? Quattro is torsen on everyone but a3,q5 and tt got haldex, isnt that right?
ZiBOMG / Armed Ended. No, it used to work like that. Now it kicks in when wheels may have tendency to spin.
Haldex in Quattro is in all models below A4/Q5, also in TT & R8.
duszaniespokojna oki 😊👍🏼
2018 VW vs 2018 Audi?
Aren't these systems electronically controlled? This is all down to software as I'm pretty sure they use the similar drivetrain
@Frag EightyFive In Arteon it is 100% electronically controlled. In A6 there is mechanical center diff, so the system is partly electronically controlled.
Wielkość kół oraz szerokość opon w obydwu samochodach? Szersze, większe koło = lepsza przyczepność.
camelik Bez znaczenia, każde koło, które nie jest na rolce ma 100% przyczepności. Gdyby się ślizgało, wtedy miało by to znaczenie.
Arteon win
It's very interesting, that the rollers get "thrown away" by the Audi. The Arteon, however, seems to react much quicker, because the rollers don't move any milimeter. Good job, VW.
Vedere il "4Motion" della Arteon che risulta più efficiente del "Quattro" Audi mi fa molto piacere!
Adoro la Volkswagen Arteon!
for the people who dont know, quattro and 4motion are basiclly same systems, there is no point comparing
Quattro and 4Motion are not systems, these are trademarks. The systems underneath may be the same or may be different, it depends which model is considered.
The AWD system in the VW is better than Audi’s 🤔
They got no real awd, it's a FWD with maximum 50% of the power on the rear wheels... A real awd u get only from Subaru
@@svengatzke2127 fuck u are stupid... audi has torsen and 60/40 always
What are the drivetrain differences?
saku Arteon has haldex, A6 torsen (or crown gear).
both are with Haldex. four cylinder vag engines are with Haldex. six or more cylinder are with Torsen
MrNeikozmeia WRONG. There is no haldex in A6 2.0 TDI. Longitudinal engine.
Audi is Part of the Volkswagen AG
They use the same technique
You could also do the test Audi a6 Quattro vs Audi a6 Quattro
Steve_O This particular ones have completely different awd systems.
WoW didn’t expect that
That's why VW alltrack 4motion is the best
The new 5th generation haldex awd system is able to transmit more than 60% of the engine torque to the rear.
Dla osoby nie znajacej sie zupelnie na tych napedach,zakopanej w sniegu lub slizgajacej sie pod gorke na lodzie. Bo takie bym potrzebowal,mam do domu stromy podjazd okolo 100 metrow,i slabo odsnierzane z 30 metrow. Jaki samochod bys polecil? Sedan,ewentualnie kombi do 30 tys pln. Z gory dziekuje za podpowiedzi.
FLEXATRON Nie znam rynku samochodów używanych, ale myślę, że w tej cenie i przy takich potrzebach (sedan oraz niewielkie potrzeby 4x4) warto rozważyć dwa samochody - Suzuki Kizashi AWD (możliwość jazdy w trybach 2WD i 4WD) oraz Mitsubishi Lancer (możliwość jazdy w trybach 2WD, 4WD oraz LOCK). Niestety Lancer w takiej wersji nie występował w Europie, trzeba szukać wersji USA/Kanada.
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers hmm nigdy nie slyszalem o takim suzuki,na zdjeciach wyglada super,lekko sportowo. Tylko chyba bedzie troche maly jak dla mnie. Jestem wysoki i nie naleze do tych chudych. Nie smiej sie ale myslalem o pastuchu b6 po 2008 roku,2.0 z automatem. Z obluga nie powinno byc problemu,tylko ze to auto nudne do bolu. Teraz mam mondeo mk4,tez popularny samochod. Ale bezproblemowy i jak dla mnie ok,tylko ze juz dwa razy nie podjechalem zima do domu z powodu sniegu.
@@pandemia9346 No to zależy, jakie masz potrzeby :) Podałem dwa raczej nie nudne auta z możliwością jazdy z napędem tylko na przód. Pastuch rzeczywiście nudny, ale i łatwy w utrzymaniu. A Mondeo nie występuje w wersji AWD? Może Insignia AWD lub jakieś Volvo AWD?
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers mondeo z tego co wiem tylko na przod,insignia mi za mala niestety. Mondeo ,audi a6, skoda superb i na styk pastuch sa wielkosciowo dla mnie ok jesli chodzi o rozmiar. Przynajmniej na nic innego nie trafilem przy wybieraniu samochodu. Mam 190cm wzrostu i 140 kg wagi,a za moim fotelem chcialbym jednak kogos wozic💪
@@pandemia9346 No to w zasadzie chyba każde AWD z wymienionych samochodów da radę bez problemów :)
th-cam.com/video/PYgdsLLF60I/w-d-xo.html
so in this case is 4motion better
Where do you get the AWD rollers?
B8.5 S4 They are DIY.
I do fancy owning an Arteon one day.
I cannot believe when we just saw... :O
VW better than Audi? Wow!
The grey car is the VW. The black car is the Audi (they both look the same to me and neither is labeled).
This is so weird when people compare cars on rollers...It’s not a real road, dirt or snow. Now compare the same cars on dirt, snow and you will see the real results.
PaulMedia This is also so weird when people don't understand what is roller test about and what it shows.
Test na rolkach nie pokazuje wyższości jednego napędu nad drugim a jedynie lepsze lub gorsze zachowanie danego napędu na...rolkach. Dodatkowo nie piszesz nic o oponach - są te same i w takim samym stopniu zużyte?
Camonboard Kamery Sportowe Test na rolkach pokazuje jak działa kontrola trakcji. Opony nie mają tu żadnego znaczenia.
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers bardzo ciężko się z tym zgodzić :)
Camonboard Kamery Sportowe Gdyż ponieważ? :-)
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers gdyż ponieważ opony zawsze mają duże albo bardzo duże znaczenie :)
Camonboard Kamery Sportowe Nie w tym przypadku. Koła na rolkach nie mają żadnej przyczepności, pozostałe mają 100%, opona nic tu nie zmienia.
I see nobody here notices that in 3 out of 4 situations Torsen system performs better (as in "faster"). Only at the last test it needed ESP off. If we are to be professionals we can also notice different size of rims and therefore different width of tire. While Audi is bigger and heavier car, it rolls on 17" rims with narrow tyres (probably 225) while Arteon is lighter and rolls on 19" rims with probably 235 tyre or more...Now how can that be relevant?
If we are to be professionals then we must notice than:
- there are 5 situations, not 4 ;)
- it is not clear if there is torsen or crown gear diff in this Audi, whatever it is - it is here less important than traction control system
- Arteon has 245 tyre, Audi 225 tyre. That doesn't influence the test cause non of the tyres lost grip on pavement.
👏🏻🙄
VAG Volkswagen Audi Group these aren’t identical platforms yet it’s not a good comparison as the same engineers develop for both marquees.
An Audi compared with a BMW or a Subaru would be a fairer comparison
th-cam.com/video/XHILX16U1ko/w-d-xo.html
th-cam.com/video/hbqio0l0ins/w-d-xo.html
Both have haldeX?
Audi A6 has torsen.
Oooooo.... quattrrrrooo power again 🤭🤭🤭🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
What about weight and Tires? They are to different
Weight is almost the same (~1700 kg). Tires do not influence the test.
Yeah, absolute, 2 tires on ground, 2 on rollers, what a test
Arteon это CC?
Przydałaby się informacja co do rodzaju napędu...
Torsen,haldex ?
xxbass Arteon haldex, A6 koronowy (lub torsen).
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers przy kolejnych filmach da radę już w opisach? 😀
xxbass Trudno powiedzieć, lubię odpowiadać na takie pytania w komentarzach ;-) (jeśli tylko znam odpowiedź)
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers dziwne, od dawna torsen był lepszy od haldexa , sam miałem i jeden i drugi napęd i haldex lipa , dziwnie wyszedł ten test
@@marekmarek7368 W tym teście ważniejsza jest kontrola trakcji niż sam torsen czy haldex, aczkolwiek haldex ma tutaj przewagę - potrafi zblokować osie. Torsen był lepszy od haldexa w dawnych czasach, obecnie algorytmy sterujące to już zupełnie inna bajka, tak samo jak sama praca haldexa.
I don't think anyone expected the haldex to be better than the torsen
Haldex always be better Volvo use and many others, the torsen VW only use support wake up.
@@unexplainedwearenotalone3537 both systems have certain advantages. For example torsen is permanent AWD, Haldex system not. But Haldex can provide full locking between front and rear axle. Additionally a Haldex clutch needs a lot of electronic assistant... a classic Torsen is based on pure mechanic principles
B. S. Minimal torque split of Haldex V is 90/10, so in fact it is permanent AWD.
+duszaniespokojna i'm impressed how fast arteon locked his differentials i mean 4motion is better than quattro
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers every new haldex system can disengage the rear diff completely, but it just depends on what each manufacturer tunes the haldex to behave like that matters. The new quattro ultra system even disengages the entire middle axle to the rear to be as efficient as possible.
Quattro- Haldex or Torsen?
Darius Andrei Torsen or crown gear.
Syncro.
The Syncro Heresy
they dont say if they had ESP turned on or not on both cars.. makes a difference !!
Watch the video again, we say that very clear.
I don't know is your goal to underrate and embarrasse quattro system, because you always do audi vs (other car). But remember, the fact is :
Out of your rollers, in real world the quattro is top system. (also symmetrical awd).
nista nista Did you watch my other videos or just the ones with Audi? I tested about 60 cars, there is over a hundred movies, Audi is just part of them. Here you have cars from the same segment and producer (vag).
02:45 how about applying a small amount of brakes at that point?
CultOfMU That's what system should do, not the driver.
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers and it would ruin the idea of the video when the car just drives off the rollers :P
CultOfMU Yeap, but it wouldn't drive off the rollers, that is not so easy :-)
I would maybe take art over an a4 but would take a5 anyday over arty.
Shon C. Makes no fucking sense
@@andreidan92 must have drunken when I typed that. Meant to say: I would maybe take an Arteon over A4 which is closely priced - A4 is a premium badge but its a sedan with less practicality. However I would take A5 over Arteon on anyday even if I have to pay a little bit more. VW has horrible reliability and although it's not a premium, its maintenance cost feels premium.
Where can i got like This roller
They are DIY.
There are some differences between the horspowers a6 has 190 hp arteon has 240
umut 84 Nope, these were exactly the same - 190 hp.
Even hp doesn't makes different when you haven't got traction.
duszaniespokojna no they are not the exactly same
umut 84 Do you think that owners of the cars are idiots and they don't know what engines they have??
A 10hp lawnmower tractor would be able to pull the car of the rollers if it has traction, there is absolutely no need for anything close to 190-240hp.
You can not brute force traction with more power, that is why a 30 year old Landrover with mechanical locked difs is better offroad then a new Audi, the Audi is then better at almost everything else compared to the Landrover.
So, no difference at all, why does everyone crap on about Quattro being so much better? Clearly by this test shows there is no difference, except maybe in the price.
Co jak co ale wieśwagen dojebał arteonem,
no zajebiście wygląda
Dalej to vw znaczek na kierownicy...
Znaczkiem jeździć nie będziesz, jak samochód jest ładny i dobry to co za różnica? Tym bardziej że audi i vw to jedna i ta sama grupa
@@kryspin8571 za każdym razem gdy wsiadam do vw'ów to kłuje ten emblemat na kierownicy. Bez względu na to jak jest w środku czy na zewnątrz. Więc uważam że samochód to też marka, więc się jeździ przede wszystkim znaczkiem. Potwierdza to phaeton, miał być hitem a ze względu na emblemat jest klapą. Oraz to że gdyby np dacia duster miała znaczek renault to bym prędzej to kupił niż ze znaczkiem daci. Są rynki gdzie renault by żadnej daci nie sprzedało i musieli dać emblematy renault. Znaczkiem się jeździ.
What confuses me is that the Audi performs worse than the Volkswagen. That’s very strange as 4motion, Audi Quattro, seat 4 drive and skoda equivalent systems from my knowledge all uses haldex system. Same system, different name. Older Audi’s use a torsen diff
A6 from this test also uses torsen.
Quattro the best. 4motion not yet there. What's the point of doing this? Should depend on tyre thread though I think and those things are spinning. Put them on the road
Mzwandile Harmans Tyre thread doesn't matter at all here. Test shows that traction control system in Arteon is more effective than in A6.
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers okay I see, isn't that affected by improving technology like 2018 arteon vs very old A6.
@@MzwandileHarmans Yes, that may be, but both cars were on sale at the same time (2017 & 2018). Besides such things may be changed only by software (like it was in Q5). And if I take the newest A6, then it won't be "real quattro" etc...
2012 vs 2018 ????
G920 POWER Game 2016 vs 2018. Both on sale in 2017 & 2018.
Arteon has a 20 inch wheels, Audi has only 17’’ - it’s makes a differences by doing this test.
Michał Fedryna Don't look on the size of alloy wheels, but on the outer diameter of tires, it is very similar in both cases.
Here is huge difference in sizes and it doesn't influence the test much: th-cam.com/video/QV90BWie1l4/w-d-xo.html
A szerokosc
?
@@jonnyq8170 Nie sprawdzałem.
And it all comes down to the size of the wheels to get out of the plates
@Venza ...which are the same in this case.
Ne yani arteon 4 motion teknolojisi daha mı üstün
4 motion 😀😀
I choose xDrive :D
Nevertheless good job VW!
Widzę ból 4 liter i płaczki się odzywaj że Audi zostało objechane przez VW 😂 rozmiar i jaka opona nie ma znaczenia gdy jedno koło dotyka podłoża. Ludzie tutaj napęd i systemy wspomagające maja znaczenie. Audi lovers nie moga uwierzyć 😂😂😂
Tylko że w terenie VW by zdechł, a Audi nie miałoby problemu. Laboratorium, a rzeczywistość to dwie różne bajki 😉
Quattro to mechanika, 4Motion elektronika. Ja wolę mechanikę.
@@MartinXCV sprawdziłes? Oba auta nie są do terenu :) wątpię żeby akurat w tym przypadku VW odstawal w momencie kiedy wygrał na rolkach gdzie 2 lub 3 koła traciły przyczepność :)
jest tylko jedna odpowiedź do twojego komentarza: xDDDD
Audi ze starego rocznika porównywalne do vw z nowszego , wiec najpierw wez to pod uwagę , a wiec brawo Radku za spostrzegawczość miłośniku rdzewiejącego golfa
@@adolf3242 koleś quattro to quattro.. Jest to napęd 100 % mechaniczny. Nie znasz się a komentujesz.
Musze Ciebie zasmucic bo nie jeżdżę golfem. Stać mnie na lepsze auto
а 4моушэн это разве не кватро под другим названием?
У ФВ муфта халдекс. У Ауди Кватро.
4 motion power ! 🙈
So we can safely assume that it's the same system just different.
This test îs norfair AT all... Audi with wheels AT 16 inch i think and artein with 19-20....how to compare that and obtain fair answers
Eusebiu Marian Wheels are almost the same (in fact, Audi has a little bit bigger):
Arteon 245/40 R19. A6 225/55 R17
Detailed answer is here: th-cam.com/video/NVkyZJlox4Y/w-d-xo.html
Что вы сравниваете 2 одинаковые машины? У обеих стоит торсен и муфта халдекс 5 поколения! И вообще это одна платформа, один концерн, один и тот же двигатель в разных фантиках разных лет выпуска.
@Николай Гродненский Both have torsen and haldex...?
А вы думаете иначе?
@@Sultan19901 Torsen OR haldex, never torsen AND haldex. These cars has different platforms, different awd systems, different engine layout.
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers ах да мотор продольной и поперечной компановки, и vag это vag, а audi и volkswagen это вообще разные фирмы)))
Если что торсен это центральный дифференциал, его придумали на фольксваген групп ещё до войны, это типа первая система полного привода и ставили её на военную технику, а ауди со временем доработал систему, назвали кваттро, и ставили на гражданские автомобили
like the articles say, the arteon is a great car, but it is basically an a7 with a VW badge
Why u comparing with old audi bring the new one
Maninder singh Cause both were on sale at the same time (2017 & 2018).
Quattro power best
Totally unrealistic test. First i'd say Areton has bigger rims which gives him bigger surface and easily grabs metal fixed part of rolls. Thus when it happens later is ieasy to ger out. Audi has not such advantage on this test. 2ndly.. go drive on snow then we can see which one is better
Ivan Gavran Arteon has bigger rims, but look at the outer diameter of tires, they are about the same. Both cars didn't touch the frame, but even if they did - it doesn't help, it doesn't give any traction.
Here is example of car with huge wheels vs car with very small wheels, it is not the factor which may cause a fail or pass of the test:
th-cam.com/video/QV90BWie1l4/w-d-xo.html
What about width?
Ivan Gavran I checked - wheels in Audi are bigger.
Тест так себе. Колеса то разные и накат у фольца лечше из-за этого. Ауди всегда на уровень выше. Все новшества сначала дают ауди, потом фольцам, а потом уже шкодам....
Heh im dissapointed, how can haldex be better than torsen? How? It means that audi doesnt have one. Torsen is goving power for two pairs of wheels, so it must be same power on each wheel... Explain me why there power is not giving for each wheel at the same time?? Audi dissaponts me in his "quattro" "torsen" it isn torsen and solid all wheel power
@Najman Torsen is not powering directly two pairs of wheels, but two open differentials (front and rear). And if there is no traction (zero grip), torsen is powering only the wheels with no grip (in simplification), just like open differential.
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers but we see that isnt true, not only wheel which has grip is powered, it works very bad, wheel with grip has too low power, it works with big latency, im not satisfy, for me they have a lot of work to done it perfectly
@@jurek9808 What is not true?
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers that power is giving to tire that has grip, its working very bad
@@jurek9808 I think you must take a lesson about open differentials and torsen to understand what is happening and how it works. It has nothing to do with Audi itself.
What is this supposed to prove?
@Kartez Drake It shows (not proves) operation of traction control systems.
Byłoby fajnie porównać quattro z Twinsterem
Kuba Zgubiński Jeśli masz Twinstera, to zapraszamy na test :)
Quattro 😂😂😂