Both Gravity Falls and Adventure Time introduced a weird old man and then decided to use them as vessels to rip our hearts apart with allegory for mental illness and dementia 💀
There are also a few more characters who might relate to either Old Man McGucket (Gravity Falls) or Ice King (Adventure Time). Rick Sanchez (Rick and Morty) One Eye Wally (Amphibia)
Tbh the most tragic but the most powerful character imo. Like he was probably Bill’s number one enemy/threat from the very start but also the one who could speed up the progress of the portal project. Literally because of Mcgucket so many of the hard hitting moments happened in the show. His inventions were integral for the emotional and serious moments we all know. Gravity Falls literally wouldn’t be the same without him.
I mean, having a swirling memory inferno that can even damage Bill Cipher in a way that actually scares him also is an effective way to ward off the Egomaniacal Euclidiean.
@@darklordmalthric3633there a different simon can still regain his sanity when the effect of power crown is gone meanwhile memory gun take way more longer to regain both sanity and memory
He reconciled things with his son. As shown in the end credits, McGucket either in a pool at Northwest Manor or a lake at Gravity Falls, with both his raccoon wife and his son.
@@ciscojacobo7168 Later, he found a way to genetically "uplift" the raccoon, enabling her to pass the "Harkness test" and now they're living in sin. Nah, that just BS. I just wanna' read the incensed reactions! 🤣
Tate would have to know that something strange was going on in Gravity Falls. In The Tooth short he advises that the twins get out of dodge if they see bubbles on the lake, implying he knows something.
This is a really cool idea of character deep dives. Maybe the next one could be about Doofenshmirtz from Phineas and Ferb. Maybe call it "The Saddest Character In The Disney TVA Multiverse".
I gotta say, another essence of retcon being "F" is detailed on the Gremloblin pages that Dipper read aloud. I think McGucket's conspiracy corner shorts were around spring of 2015 after NWHS, and Apocalypse prepping in October. The zodiac short was probably the first to imply him as the glasses, which NWHS Dipper doubted, as many took to tying them to Ford.
@@NoahBirsch good for them. We could use a Mcgucket right now. I can't believe people chose Trump again, not because he's better, but because they didn't want Kamala to win, just because she isn't a white woman. How stuck up are we, first world countries ? I thought we were starting getting past that.
The one thing I wish they'd delved into a bit more is how his family ended up seeing him. Tate and Ms McGucket were never in Gravity Falls so assumedly all they know is he went to go work on a project with a college buddy and presumably never came back or if he did come back he was a completely different person.
@@kcsproutnot only that, but he also appeared in the gravity falls short "dipper's guide to the unexplained :the tooth" and in the end credits of the last episode of the show, with his father, chilling in the pool
I think McGucket and his ex-wife are trying to fix things and decided to start over as friends, and the rest will be something that they will decide on, also I'm glad he fix things with his son, that was nice.
Since neither Stanley nor Stanford had children (not that I know of) it is Dipper's duty to continue the Pines family last name and lineage...unless it is revealed that Stanley had a son/daughter in his time as a conman that he does not know or Stanford had a son/daughter he doesn't know during his time traveling between universes...
@@Angie72bee not sure if 'Murrica has laws allowing matrilineal descent (legitimate children taking on the mother's surname), but considering the current Chrightstian atmosphere of that country probably none
9:27 this makes me wonder how mentally strong Mabel actually is, since she (spoilers ahead for Boss Mabel) DID eventually end up making eye contact with the Gremloblin, until Dipper showed up with a mirror, but still , Mabel was effected. But later on, this didn't seem to have a tool on her. Hmm... Or maybe the mirror just cancels the effect.
Tragic, yes, but you know what? Even when broken if not bent, he still survived the drudgery, stayed vivid that he never became a complete senile loony, and made special things that even saved his world and his hometown in spite of it all. He's persistent, dedicated, and a truly proud achievement of an Oregonian man, really. Honestly, in case Gravity Falls gets a sequel saga, and hopefully one that's also a same-Earth-all-along crossover with Amphibia and The Owl House, we better see the fruits of his special labors in Northwest Mansion bear glorious fruit and create a never before seen technological revolution for humanity and his Earth in just the span of a decade or less. Add that with the inevitably reverse engineered Newtopian tech gained from the 2020(?) Frog-Vasion, Terri's Multiversal portal network research and development (that should peak at 2030?), and maybe even a groundbreaking collaboration with the alien magitek start-up Blight Industries headed by one Amity Blight-Noceda sometime after some sort of situational first contact... oh, boy, not even the DC Animated Universe, anime like GunBuster and GaoGaiGar, and Stargate SG-1 would be this big and cathartic when it comes to such advancing lore developments and in-universe status quo progress.
One more sad detail is that McGucket can't forget about Bill after the brief Nightmare Realm encounter. You can see it in his memory canister, day 1 he was talking about wanting to forget everything he saw in the Nightmare Realm but by day ??? he holds his hands up to his eye in the shape of a triangle, the scar left by Bill was too much for even the memory gun to erase.
3:24 I don't know if anyone has noticed, but if you flip the gas cylinder in the background upside down, you can see the diamond authority symbol from Steven universe
there was one moment i liked that revealed when fiddledord was in college he wrote a theory of the world being a simulation. he gets laughed at, but ford who moved in learns his of his theory and proved it. setting their friendship and their future codependency
3:44 In the journal there’s a timeline, and its stops on the year 1981. The next entry is dated August 3rd. Then, when it talks about Fidds it’s July, which means it’s 1982.
With the whole "being immune to the memory gun thing" it also references substance abuse because, typically, if you overuse something, the effects start to lessen, and you won't get effected as much.
He was married prior to accompanying Ford in Gravity Falls as his wife & son lived with him in Palo Alto. Fiddleford ends up unintentionally abandoning them. Despite that, Tate eventually comes to Gravity Falls at some point.
21:10, you definitely know there's something wrong with.Even the villain of the series doesn't want to mess with you, also. Good bill cypher impression i could watch this all day.
2:41 looking by the photo, I can tell who they worship, B-I-L-L C-I-P-H-R. But serious Gravity Falls has been shown to be a really tragic show, even for the background characters who really no one cares about. Heck even the hillbilly guy has a tragic backstory who was trying his best to help Ford and still got mistreated any way.
It’s simple, you can see in the tapes Mcgucket had a bandage on his neck maybe after trying to shave and he never took it off staying stuck to his beard as it grew
The fact that all this was done just to forget about Billiam makes me wonder what kind of cosmic horror it must be to actually see the triangular little guy go mask off in front of you. I'd do the same if I could.
Considering how much potential there was in weirdmaggedon, the whole thing could probably be its own season (maybe not as long as the first 2, but still).
Ok here me out, can you do a vid on why there was a baby in Stanley’s moms arms 3 brother maybe, if you have already i will watch it, keep doing what your doing man!
Hey the roundtable I have the idea for your next video it's about you talking about new Steven universe villains both gem and human And maybe the humans might use gem technology has weaponly Or maybe given powers after a new antagonist gem plus the power to grant powers and gives all these humans who either is just wants to steal something or some of them who just wants revenge on the gem Like I was thinking of one a journalist who fakes his reports and when the gems accidentally expose him he wants revenge and this mysterious gem Guess in the power of his camera with skips in the power to project copies of himself And here's another a daredevil who is so obsessed with his stunts he nearly put some of the people in beach city endanger and instead of not doing stunts anymore he uses gym technology to make his stunts even more dangerous And maybe you could talk about more human villains and new gem villains especially this mysterious one and more main antagonist some gem some human And everyone like this comment if you agree on this video idea And roundtable I hope you like this idea too and keep a good work and again great job naming your TH-cam channel after a pizza restaurant🍕🍕🍕🍕.
1:55 i dont think fiddleford had any hopes of attending a better school, backupsmore was probably his first and only choice and he seemed greatful to be able to attend college at all lol
Hear me out, his story is sad but fiddleford had a lot of good years too and at the end of the day isnt life the sum of our experiences? The end of his life was pretty cute too! Not to say he had some real struggles, he does for sure ♡
If the Theraprism always gets new patients from every corner of the omniverse, what villains do you see being trapped there ? I imagine: -Xehanort; -Being X; -Kaguya might, one day; -Thanos; -Infinity Ultron. Who else might be there ?
Hi sorry to ask this but, did u also realize that technique that Quesa Poblana used on that blue guy with the blonde perm was just her flexing her muscles at hypersonic speeds?
The worst part is that mcgucket is around the same age or even younger than Stanford, but he looks much older probably due to unimaginable stress.
Plus maybe another side effect of the memory gun. It *is* an allegory for substance abuse after all.
Guess he isn't that much of an "Old Man McGucket" after all
@@Maxwell4Smash Well, Ford and Stanley are still old, so "old man" seems fair.
I have seen this comment in another video
Most of it is his now permanent slouch that he literally could not remember to correct. His not shaving is also a factor.
I love how they introduce McGucket as a crazy old man, but then give him a detailed character arc and development. He's amazing.
Reminds of a certain cold wizard
@@Maxwell4Smashomg thats great
I have a question for you: Is there any chance that American Dragon: Jake Long will return for a new reboot ? 🤔 🧐
@@Maxwell4Smashyooooo adventure time mentioned
@@NicolasSantana-xm2ylwhy are you asking this random commenter?
Both Gravity Falls and Adventure Time introduced a weird old man and then decided to use them as vessels to rip our hearts apart with allegory for mental illness and dementia 💀
There are also a few more characters who might relate to either Old Man McGucket (Gravity Falls) or Ice King (Adventure Time).
Rick Sanchez (Rick and Morty)
One Eye Wally (Amphibia)
@@ciscojacobo7168 Wally didn't Technically lose his mind, iirc he just decided to leave because he didn't fit in
Tbh the most tragic but the most powerful character imo.
Like he was probably Bill’s number one enemy/threat from the very start but also the one who could speed up the progress of the portal project.
Literally because of Mcgucket so many of the hard hitting moments happened in the show. His inventions were integral for the emotional and serious moments we all know.
Gravity Falls literally wouldn’t be the same without him.
Are you sure it was an accident? lol
Fiddleford probably just doesn't remember when he actually created the Memory gun because he used the day he built it.
And Quit the project after that
*points at Mcgucket, Ford, Stan, and Bill* THESE BAD BOYS CAN BUILD A PORTAL SO EFFICIENTLY AND HAVE SO MUCH TRAUMA IN THEM
Same with Dipper probably
Like there’s no way he wouldn’t when he’s older
@@Southparkfan598dipper would also name it like “portal 2” and make the entire thing a joke about portal 2 the game
McGucket is such a side character in the start but nearing the end gets alot more screen time and back story, best character
confirmed way to keep bill cipher out of your head number two, being crazy and insane enough he don't want anything to do with it
I mean, having a swirling memory inferno that can even damage Bill Cipher in a way that actually scares him also is an effective way to ward off the Egomaniacal Euclidiean.
i like that regardless of how much he damaged his brain fiddleford still cared about his rural cultural roots
I'm crying for the injustice that Ol' Man McGucket has been served
He’s like the ice king
Only he’s not constantly chasing after girls.
@ but he is crazy and lost his memories
@@darklordmalthric3633there a different simon can still regain his sanity when the effect of power crown is gone meanwhile memory gun take way more longer to regain both sanity and memory
He reminds me of the ice king in the first half of the video and lapis lazuli in the second half of events in his life that are covered
@faridhaikal6713 Taking off the crown just kills him he can only regain his sanity if the crown stops working which will also kill him
At least he got that mansion at the end!
He reconciled things with his son. As shown in the end credits, McGucket either in a pool at Northwest Manor or a lake at Gravity Falls, with both his raccoon wife and his son.
@@ciscojacobo7168 Later, he found a way to genetically "uplift" the raccoon, enabling her to pass the "Harkness test" and now they're living in sin. Nah, that just BS. I just wanna' read the incensed reactions! 🤣
Tate would have to know that something strange was going on in Gravity Falls. In The Tooth short he advises that the twins get out of dodge if they see bubbles on the lake, implying he knows something.
He was the one responsible for watching over the lake, of course he'd know something was living there
Fiddleford deserved better
No, not really.
He did it to himself, He's not a victim. He's the Culprit behind his own decent into the Nutcase Position
This is a really cool idea of character deep dives. Maybe the next one could be about Doofenshmirtz from Phineas and Ferb. Maybe call it "The Saddest Character In The Disney TVA Multiverse".
You my friend are a genuis
LET'S HOPE THEY'LL SEE THAT COMMENT
someone already made a video why Doof is the greatest dad to Vanessa, might wanna check that out
Fiddleford was the true victim in gravity falls
25:05 afterall like he said "you cant break something thats already broken"
As a kid I didn’t take in the addiction allegory, the glass being shattered as an adult hurts
I gotta say, another essence of retcon being "F" is detailed on the Gremloblin pages that Dipper read aloud.
I think McGucket's conspiracy corner shorts were around spring of 2015 after NWHS, and Apocalypse prepping in October. The zodiac short was probably the first to imply him as the glasses, which NWHS Dipper doubted, as many took to tying them to Ford.
I also heard that mcgucket became a president and stopped covid
Alex confirmed it on a tweet.
@ YES that’s where I heard it THANK YOU SO MUCH i thought is was a dream
@@NoahBirsch good for them. We could use a Mcgucket right now. I can't believe people chose Trump again, not because he's better, but because they didn't want Kamala to win, just because she isn't a white woman.
How stuck up are we, first world countries ? I thought we were starting getting past that.
The one thing I wish they'd delved into a bit more is how his family ended up seeing him. Tate and Ms McGucket were never in Gravity Falls so assumedly all they know is he went to go work on a project with a college buddy and presumably never came back or if he did come back he was a completely different person.
Tate is in the fishing episode
His son Tate is apparently a very smart dude, but due to how McGucket ended up, he never pursued it.
@@kcsproutnot only that, but he also appeared in the gravity falls short "dipper's guide to the unexplained :the tooth" and in the end credits of the last episode of the show, with his father, chilling in the pool
At least McGucket finally got his happy ending 11:01 0:39 I knew it foreshadowing
Are you talking about how he became rich and moved into the Northwest mansion
YIPPPEEEEE YALL WAKE UP ROUNDTABLE POSTED AGAIN
Bro stared into the abyss went crazy got his brain back and is now rich. McGucket got a great ending
I think McGucket and his ex-wife are trying to fix things and decided to start over as friends, and the rest will be something that they will decide on, also I'm glad he fix things with his son, that was nice.
Poor Fiddlefordd😢
21:19 bill fr almost got a stroke from a Mcgucket's mind
Personally I believe when fiddleford said he'd "been working on a device" that he didn't mean recently in other words he just poorly phrased it
It’s always the joke characters that have the most tragic back stories
8:16 hahaha is that a reference to the fan made character will? from reverse falls? that’s awesome lol
Bill is a nickname for William iirc so I don't think it's a reference but that would be cool!! lol
Tate has to know about the monsters and mystery on some level because he warns Dipper about the floating island head in the Dipper short, The Tooth.
If his wife worshiped Bill, does that mean her marriage was...hinted and suggested at by a certain dorito ?
Since neither Stanley nor Stanford had children (not that I know of) it is Dipper's duty to continue the Pines family last name and lineage...unless it is revealed that Stanley had a son/daughter in his time as a conman that he does not know or Stanford had a son/daughter he doesn't know during his time traveling between universes...
What about maybele?(sorry if I spelt the name wrong)
@@Angie72bee mabel,
Thats is completely random and has nothing to do with the video
@@chrisk6637 whre just haveing a conversation about this comint that dosint mean it has to be apart of the video
@@Angie72bee not sure if 'Murrica has laws allowing matrilineal descent (legitimate children taking on the mother's surname), but considering the current Chrightstian atmosphere of that country probably none
Love your content! Keep up the good work ❤❤❤❤
11:40 I'm surprised you didn't put in a clip of Helga's mom from Hey Arnold! That lady and her "smoothies".....
it feels so weird to be 1 minute early.. im happy youre talking about fiddleford!!
9:27 this makes me wonder how mentally strong Mabel actually is, since she (spoilers ahead for Boss Mabel) DID eventually end up making eye contact with the Gremloblin, until Dipper showed up with a mirror, but still , Mabel was effected. But later on, this didn't seem to have a tool on her. Hmm... Or maybe the mirror just cancels the effect.
You know it’s bad when bill himself was traumatized. 😨
The fact that BILL CYPHER couldn't handle Fiddleford's fractured mind says volumes!
Basically my early 20's a.k.a. the last 5 years of my life.
McGucket’s middle name was in reference to the Hadron Collider? Huh.
I still can't believe how tragic McGucket's story was
Tragic, yes, but you know what? Even when broken if not bent, he still survived the drudgery, stayed vivid that he never became a complete senile loony, and made special things that even saved his world and his hometown in spite of it all. He's persistent, dedicated, and a truly proud achievement of an Oregonian man, really.
Honestly, in case Gravity Falls gets a sequel saga, and hopefully one that's also a same-Earth-all-along crossover with Amphibia and The Owl House, we better see the fruits of his special labors in Northwest Mansion bear glorious fruit and create a never before seen technological revolution for humanity and his Earth in just the span of a decade or less. Add that with the inevitably reverse engineered Newtopian tech gained from the 2020(?) Frog-Vasion, Terri's Multiversal portal network research and development (that should peak at 2030?), and maybe even a groundbreaking collaboration with the alien magitek start-up Blight Industries headed by one Amity Blight-Noceda sometime after some sort of situational first contact... oh, boy, not even the DC Animated Universe, anime like GunBuster and GaoGaiGar, and Stargate SG-1 would be this big and cathartic when it comes to such advancing lore developments and in-universe status quo progress.
Alex hirsch is a monster when writing tragic backstories
Poor McGuckit. It’s sad that he’s indured so much trama, no one should have as ruff of times as him.
One more sad detail is that McGucket can't forget about Bill after the brief Nightmare Realm encounter. You can see it in his memory canister, day 1 he was talking about wanting to forget everything he saw in the Nightmare Realm but by day ??? he holds his hands up to his eye in the shape of a triangle, the scar left by Bill was too much for even the memory gun to erase.
5:03 "he got the spirit. He a little confused, but he got the spirit"
Hoorah to the dopest name imaginable
Amazing!🤩
3:24 I don't know if anyone has noticed, but if you flip the gas cylinder in the background upside down, you can see the diamond authority symbol from Steven universe
Oh yeah you’re right neat
@@chasethemaster3440 thanks for noticing
30:06 IT'S TIME TO FACE YOUR FEAAAAARS!!
McGucket is a very sad character.
mugutet arived at gravity falls on my birth day! (exept for the year that parts way off.)
there was one moment i liked that revealed when fiddledord was in college he wrote a theory of the world being a simulation. he gets laughed at, but ford who moved in learns his of his theory and proved it. setting their friendship and their future codependency
3:44 In the journal there’s a timeline, and its stops on the year 1981. The next entry is dated August 3rd. Then, when it talks about Fidds it’s July, which means it’s 1982.
easy to do one Bill cipher
With the whole "being immune to the memory gun thing" it also references substance abuse because, typically, if you overuse something, the effects start to lessen, and you won't get effected as much.
Very well done Breakdown,
How about doing Pacifica next?
Different timelines and futures
5:17 What is this Journal 3 page? I can't find it in my copy. Is it only in the blacklight edition?
Nevermind. I found it. It's in The Book of Bill.
Was McGucket already married when he built the portal or did he fall in love with a townswoman?
He was married prior to accompanying Ford in Gravity Falls as his wife & son lived with him in Palo Alto. Fiddleford ends up unintentionally abandoning them. Despite that, Tate eventually comes to Gravity Falls at some point.
21:10, you definitely know there's something wrong with.Even the villain of the series doesn't want to mess with you, also.
Good bill cypher impression i could watch this all day.
Krispy Kreme is making new donuts.
2:41 looking by the photo, I can tell who they worship, B-I-L-L C-I-P-H-R.
But serious Gravity Falls has been shown to be a really tragic show, even for the background characters who really no one cares about.
Heck even the hillbilly guy has a tragic backstory who was trying his best to help Ford and still got mistreated any way.
7:46 why am I imagining the hide behind violently playing a banjo
Can you do character analysis videos of Amphibia characters next?
It’s simple, you can see in the tapes Mcgucket had a bandage on his neck maybe after trying to shave and he never took it off staying stuck to his beard as it grew
He really became my favorite character when I rewatched it years after the show ended
The fact that all this was done just to forget about Billiam makes me wonder what kind of cosmic horror it must be to actually see the triangular little guy go mask off in front of you. I'd do the same if I could.
Reminds me of Simon all over again
I think Fiddleford couldn’t get a scholarship anywhere because no one could see past his background as a farm boy
Thumbnail McGucket: PERSONA
*DISTURBING THE PEEEEEEACE*
Damn does it take you this long to make a single video like what are you doing!?
Considering how much potential there was in weirdmaggedon, the whole thing could probably be its own season (maybe not as long as the first 2, but still).
It reminds me a lot of ice king introduced as very silly character only to shown slowly how lost he is.
Ok here me out, can you do a vid on why there was a baby in Stanley’s moms arms 3 brother maybe, if you have already i will watch it, keep doing what your doing man!
The baby was shermie pines, dipper and mabel's grandmother/father
2:28 troy and abed are the reason i went to community college
Hey the roundtable I have the idea for your next video it's about you talking about new Steven universe villains both gem and human
And maybe the humans might use gem technology has weaponly Or maybe given powers after a new antagonist gem plus the power to grant powers and gives all these humans who either is just wants to steal something or some of them who just wants revenge on the gem
Like I was thinking of one a journalist who fakes his reports and when the gems accidentally expose him he wants revenge and this mysterious gem Guess in the power of his camera with skips in the power to project copies of himself
And here's another a daredevil who is so obsessed with his stunts he nearly put some of the people in beach city endanger and instead of not doing stunts anymore he uses gym technology to make his stunts even more dangerous
And maybe you could talk about more human villains and new gem villains especially this mysterious one and more main antagonist some gem some human
And everyone like this comment if you agree on this video idea
And roundtable I hope you like this idea too and keep a good work and again great job naming your TH-cam channel after a pizza restaurant🍕🍕🍕🍕.
McGucket is such an amazing character
All gravity falls characters are
1:traumatized
2: atleest a llitle unhinged
3:gay
1:55 i dont think fiddleford had any hopes of attending a better school, backupsmore was probably his first and only choice and he seemed greatful to be able to attend college at all lol
If you think about it old man mcgucket and ice king are very similar
I feel so bad for McGucket
Bro, Fiddleford has a beautiful story. Tha k you Gravity Falls for such incredible characters like him
And his creation was probly also zapping his son stopping the truth from being remembered
Tbh I think bill had it worst I mean he literally Accidentally Killed his parents and went insane over it
Hear me out, his story is sad but fiddleford had a lot of good years too and at the end of the day isnt life the sum of our experiences? The end of his life was pretty cute too! Not to say he had some real struggles, he does for sure ♡
someone get him a chiropractor so he can walk right again ToT
I love gravity falls so much
If the Theraprism always gets new patients from every corner of the omniverse, what villains do you see being trapped there ? I imagine:
-Xehanort;
-Being X;
-Kaguya might, one day;
-Thanos;
-Infinity Ultron.
Who else might be there ?
IVE BEEN FALLOWING THE RUBIX CUBE GUIDE FOR 40 MINUTES 5:08
What happened to stanmercedes, stanbmw and stanaudi?
8:16 does anyone else notice that on the far right there is a constellation of bill titled William
i'm curious, are you going to do any videos on Invincible Fight Girl? do u even have the time lol
Hi sorry to ask this but, did u also realize that technique that Quesa Poblana used on that blue guy with the blonde perm was just her flexing her muscles at hypersonic speeds?
@@saintzeroinfinity i remember that fight but didn't catch that detail, a good reason to watch again.
5:17 theses pages aren't in journal 3! Where did THESE appear?!??!??
Book of bill
Finally make it to a video that has 8 hours
yall comment every genus scientist who goes bonkers i'll start
Old man mcgucket
I didnt know Mcgucket played Persona 3😃
i love you fiddleford omg
Tge tech metaphors make me think he actually did ribotsize himself 21:37