The fact Mama's chaingun is only effective on single enemies and the high firing rate of the plasma gun from the Arachnotrons made this a rather clear outcome, especially as you could do this on Maps 23 and 28 of Doom 2 to get around directly combatting the Mamas.
yeah, she can take down multiple arachnotrons, as long she faces them one by one, and not all at once in maps they don't usually come in big groups, so mastermind mostly will win
@@tacosunbirth Yeah, but the mastermind was the end boss of doom 1. For a final boss, this thing is a massive letdown. Tho I'm not sure what else could be done to make it more threatening besides increasing HP and damage. The only advantage it has is that it's hitscan. Arachnotrons are supposed to be less treatening than the mastermind.
@@Yuuto_Katsuki Nothing short of a cyberdemon is going to stand a chance against 10 Arachnotron's concentrated fire. I played Doom, I know the Spider Mastermind is underwhelming, but people greatly exaggerate how weak it is. It can take out a Cyberdemon, for Christ's sake
@@tacosunbirth Ok true, the arachnotrons are pretty OP, but for some reason, whenever the mastermind fought the cyberdemon, and I've seen it plenty of times in my playthroughs, the spider only won once or twice against the cyber...was it really really bad luck on the spider?
The Spidermastermind was clearly designed to be anti player, and even that, she's not very good at. She's clunky, she attacks slow, and do quite pathetic damage.
Arachnotrons so brutal on nightmare lol. Still love the SMM alert sound tho, to this day it's still the best sound in the game. (Followed closely by the Cacodemon)
It appears that for some reason, the arachnotrons are more coordinated and less likely to get in each other's firing range on higher difficulties. They will also focus fire on a specific enemy, effectively stun-locking them.
I’ve never looked at _DOOM_ ‘s source code, but from this video it looks like the arachnatron’s appear more coordinated on Nightmare because their engagement range is greater than usual, and so, not needing to move to engage the spider mastermind, they don’t get the opportunity to block each other
@@youdontneedtoseehisidentif4939. Not reslly range so much as the AI is programmed to fire whenever its enemy is in sight rather than move on nightmare or fast monsters is enabled.
Player: 700 shots per minute. Arachnotron: 263 shots per minute. Incidentally, the Cacodemon's projectiles do exactly the same damage as the plasma gun balls shot by the Arachnotron and the player (but they shoot much more slowly).
Tests have been done with a modded SMM with an instant attack animation (rather than its brief pause). It's absolutely lethal. In its original state its slow attack animation means you only have to trigger the pain state within that window, which isn't actually that hard.
They get stunned very easily, and keep being stunned when continuously shot. That's why they are easy to kill. Cyber doesn't get stunned easily. They can be really tough if they were not easy to stun.
@@laughingalex7563 Right, she doesn't pose an adequate thread because she is placed under a crusher. Or infighting with a Cyberdemon. Or because there are several invulnerability spheres near her. It doesn't have to do anything with her stats.
It's funny how is it that in almost all of these battle, the decisive trait tht end up¿s mattering the most isn't power, speed or amount of health, but rate of pain chane to stun lock enemies owo
Spidermama's pain state is triggered too easily. That's partly why she's not that scary to encounter in game, you can just blast her once and run away.
Actually probably not. Pain state has a chance to trigger every time damage is inflicted, and the arachnotron plasma doesn't actually hit that frequently. The SMM will get an attack in sooner or later, and then the arachnotron is toast. Check out the chaingunners vs SMM video this guy did. One chaingunner almost killed the SMM, but even with its extremely fast damage rate the SMM managed to attack eventually.
Interestingly, the SMM weapon isn't a chaingun as much as a rapid fire shotgun (based on how the weapon works). It's shooting multiple pellets in a spray multiple times a second.
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The audacity of the 1v1! Poor little thing was frightened it ran away!! 🥺
No joke I actually felt bad for the arachnotron lol
Yea I got upset for a second
The 3rd round was like "OK, let's give the Spider Mastermind a chance"
The Arachnotrons do so much better when they're not blocking each other.
Same goes for spider Mastermind's as well or most any monster
It's worse for the hitscanners, they also hurt each other.
You reckon? How about every other enemy in the game?
4:44 is beautiful. How teamwork should always be.
The fact Mama's chaingun is only effective on single enemies and the high firing rate of the plasma gun from the Arachnotrons made this a rather clear outcome, especially as you could do this on Maps 23 and 28 of Doom 2 to get around directly combatting the Mamas.
Mama's? ...what is this Dusk?
In 32 in 64 Kb
There are two levels that are named Dad and Mom.
In Dad, there is a Cyberdemon.
In Mom, there is a SpiderMastermind.
yeah, she can take down multiple arachnotrons, as long she faces them one by one, and not all at once
in maps they don't usually come in big groups, so mastermind mostly will win
On 23 it feels like it happens regardless of what you do. I've hidden from them as they've been revealed, come out and the MM is dead.
She almost lost to a Chaingunner one time on this show. One fucking Chaingunner, who is worse in nearly every concievable way.
All about who can stun-lock who first
Spider mastermind is so weak
I mean, to be fair, Arachnotrons are pretty strong
Yeah, what a loser :|
@@tacosunbirth Yeah, but the mastermind was the end boss of doom 1. For a final boss, this thing is a massive letdown. Tho I'm not sure what else could be done to make it more threatening besides increasing HP and damage. The only advantage it has is that it's hitscan.
Arachnotrons are supposed to be less treatening than the mastermind.
@@Yuuto_Katsuki Nothing short of a cyberdemon is going to stand a chance against 10 Arachnotron's concentrated fire. I played Doom, I know the Spider Mastermind is underwhelming, but people greatly exaggerate how weak it is. It can take out a Cyberdemon, for Christ's sake
@@tacosunbirth Ok true, the arachnotrons are pretty OP, but for some reason, whenever the mastermind fought the cyberdemon, and I've seen it plenty of times in my playthroughs, the spider only won once or twice against the cyber...was it really really bad luck on the spider?
She just didn't want to kill her babies. 😉
I love the "shutdown" sound
First fights are actually fair while the future ones were very unfair
Not really, masterminds were given f- tier by decino for a reason.
The Spidermastermind was clearly designed to be anti player, and even that, she's not very good at. She's clunky, she attacks slow, and do quite pathetic damage.
if the SMM had a miniscule chance to stun and a higher health pool, it would've fared better as a boss in an open area
She needs like the Arch-Vile's level of flinch resistance to move out of F tier
Arachnotrons so brutal on nightmare lol. Still love the SMM alert sound tho, to this day it's still the best sound in the game. (Followed closely by the Cacodemon)
The Mastermind has no chance against a fully coordinated attack!!
Hah! When I saw the title I thought "Mastermind gonna get et"
Poor mastermind wasn't designed to combat multiple enemies at once and that's painfully obvious.
Good video friend 👍👍👍👍👍👍👍
Can you do pinkies vs spider masterminds?
Pinkies are masterminds wordt nightmare. It only takes two pinkies to fuck her up.
Revenants vs. hell knights!
Poor little 1 v 1 guy got blasted on nightmare
It appears that for some reason, the arachnotrons are more coordinated and less likely to get in each other's firing range on higher difficulties. They will also focus fire on a specific enemy, effectively stun-locking them.
I used infighting and a single arachnotron on the factory level of Doom II to kill two or three mancubi one time.
I’ve never looked at _DOOM_ ‘s source code, but from this video it looks like the arachnatron’s appear more coordinated on Nightmare because their engagement range is greater than usual, and so, not needing to move to engage the spider mastermind, they don’t get the opportunity to block each other
@@youdontneedtoseehisidentif4939 They are more aggressive, so they're more likely to attack then move if they have a clear line of sight.
@@youdontneedtoseehisidentif4939 -Beat me to it...
@@youdontneedtoseehisidentif4939. Not reslly range so much as the AI is programmed to fire whenever its enemy is in sight rather than move on nightmare or fast monsters is enabled.
1v1 was hilarious. the small one didnt even bother
So this is what they call "rebellious phase", eh?
La mamá enfrentando a sus hijos
"Now lets turn the babies against their momma!"
"Children of the Corn: Doom style"
0:15 FLAWLESS VICTORY
You could tell that spider mastermind could not even kill her children
What parenting feels like...
Who else notices that the Arachnotron has a much lower rate of fire with its plasma gun than DOOM Guy's plasma gun?
Player: 700 shots per minute. Arachnotron: 263 shots per minute. Incidentally, the Cacodemon's projectiles do exactly the same damage as the plasma gun balls shot by the Arachnotron and the player (but they shoot much more slowly).
@@dmatech Cool! I did not know that. Thanks!
When mommy and the kids argue about washing dishes.
Absolutely wrecked
No wonder Decino put the Spider Mastermind as F in his tier list videos.
Tests have been done with a modded SMM with an instant attack animation (rather than its brief pause). It's absolutely lethal. In its original state its slow attack animation means you only have to trigger the pain state within that window, which isn't actually that hard.
They get stunned very easily, and keep being stunned when continuously shot. That's why they are easy to kill. Cyber doesn't get stunned easily. They can be really tough if they were not easy to stun.
Arachnotrons are pretty deadly actually.
They, along with mancubi, are deadly simple
There's a reason decino marked her as F-tier.
But that reason is not her weakness against Arachnotrons.
@@Jurgen123445 pretty much due to her never posing an adequete threat throughout any of doom 1 or 2. Or even TNT or plutonia.
@@laughingalex7563 Right, she doesn't pose an adequate thread because she is placed under a crusher. Or infighting with a Cyberdemon. Or because there are several invulnerability spheres near her. It doesn't have to do anything with her stats.
@@Jurgen123445 Agreed. I fear multiple Spidermasterminds more than any other demon.
Si es mano a mano ella apenas se despeina
mod name if you are using one?
These kids add their papa for lunch
The Spider Mastermind is a punk. Always has been, always will be
Ganará alguna vez la mastermind? no se lo pierdan en nuestro próximo episodio
The arachnotrons have the strongest firepower of the non bosses.
It takes two or three to fell a Mastermind in the wild. Why even bother with 10?
This test actually makes the mastermind look better since the arachs keep blocking each other.
I'm not even going to finish this
Typical iD boss: lots of hitpoints, zero AI.
0:18 spider Mastermind okay the first round was rigged you guys were cheating
It looks like the kids (arachnotrons) are beating the mother to death (spider mastermind)
They grow up so fast...
I always thought the arachnotron was the spider master mind
Spider demon vs barón hell demons vs soldado ametralladora
It always comes down to stunlock
It's funny how is it that in almost all of these battle, the decisive trait tht end up¿s mattering the most isn't power, speed or amount of health, but rate of pain chane to stun lock enemies owo
Spidermama's pain state is triggered too easily. That's partly why she's not that scary to encounter in game, you can just blast her once and run away.
Spider demon vs cyber demon vs barón hell demons o all enemigos all demons pero vs
Next up, Safer Sephiroth versus ten Materia Keepers.
I have no idea how many people will get that joke but...
The 1v1 on nightmare needs a re-do until the Arachnotron fires first, i bet it will win that one then.
Actually probably not. Pain state has a chance to trigger every time damage is inflicted, and the arachnotron plasma doesn't actually hit that frequently. The SMM will get an attack in sooner or later, and then the arachnotron is toast.
Check out the chaingunners vs SMM video this guy did. One chaingunner almost killed the SMM, but even with its extremely fast damage rate the SMM managed to attack eventually.
Afrit VS Cybruiser
The Arachnotrons are much smarter rather than stronger on Nightmare...
This should be in eternal
Saddest shit i have ever seen
If they gave the Spider Mastermind a plasma gun, I believe she'd beat even the Cyberdemon. A chaingun simply isn't as potent.
Interestingly, the SMM weapon isn't a chaingun as much as a rapid fire shotgun (based on how the weapon works). It's shooting multiple pellets in a spray multiple times a second.
Spider Mastershame
Smm has a high ass pain chance to be a boss
Loooool
Worst boss ever
Big stupid spiders walk too much