I am a Yacht’s Surveyor, owned a boat yard, crossed oceans 12 times, many singlehanded and have owned an Oyster that I really enjoyed. This is the stupidest choice of boats any ocean crosser could ever choose. It is a great boat for a rich boy to take friends around the Greek Islands on. My closest friend has an 80 footer he does that on. My friend is not stupid, he would not take a plastic boat into the icebergs. Yeah, people have done it, most lived. No one boat for every job. I finished my sailing days on a Prout Quasar. Wonderful boat for crossing the Atlantic several times and raising some kids. Would I take it above the 40’s F’ No. I total agree with this take. Again, I have owned an Oyster, it was great for one Atlantic crossing. When I was sailing out of the Cape, I did it on a 45’ Steel ketch. Slow but solid.
At least you need a well solid and rounded steel boat with all the redundancy working and sound. Something that approved and build under the supervision by Class if possible, not by any manufacturer.
You are so spot on. Oyster is a luxury yacht meant to entertain your friends with some champagne sailing around tropical locations. A couple years back sailing Zingaro wanted to take his oyster through the Drake Passage. I told him it was nice knowing him and to tell Davy Jones I said high. He ended up not going on that trip.
NEVER ask a BARBER is you need a HAIRCUT. OYSTER: "How BIG is your WALLET?...Boy have we got a YACHT for you!" OWNERS LAWYER: "Boat wasn't FIT FOR PURPOSE."
I agree about the sails. Tall narrow rigs are best for around land as the land slows down the lower winds, so you want the sails up high. Offshore, the winds are much stronger near the deck than around land, so you don't need to get the sails up so high to generate power. On top of that, offshore you need more power because of the bigger waves, so low fat sails are much better for offshore than tall skinny sails. Think short mast with 150 genoa with Stay sail and main with long boom. This brings the COE down lower which will create more forward power and less heel. I think Oyster went with the tall narrow rigs because that is what racing is doing and it's cool.
Dude? It was an ad. Not a review or walkthru. I'm not sure why you're so bent out of shape. Again, it's not the BOAT, it's the amount of prep that goes into being safe. They never mentioned going to the poles... Svalbard is definitely up there, but not bad in summer. They're obviously intelligent enough to weigh the risks if they crossed Georgia island, because if i'm not mistaken less than a 100 people have done that it's so dangerous. They know their limitations and they're hiring professional crew. Is it the BEST boat? Is there a BEST boat? Most people don't drop a million dollars without doing some homework, so i'd say they're gonna be fine. Take a couple breaths and relax.
Maybe you are right. But it pissed me off... Nobody cares about integrity these days. They could have done an amazing commercial showing all the amazing places in mid latitude... But noooo... It's not them I'm worried about, it's the people watching this that don't have deep pockets for crew or a million dollar boat. Which end up buying a used sailboat based on the specs of this type of commercials, More and more people are dying out there because they watch TH-cam everyone tells them its ok to take a class A Ocean certified boat anywhere they wish, and they end up buying the pretyest saloon with a hull and go charging into the waves. I live off the coast of Portugal. This year was terrible for deaths on sailboats, It makes me sad, cuz almost all of them could have been avoided. But you are probably right, I shouldn't let them upset me like this 😂 Cheers mate, fair winds.
It certainly is about the boat, it certainly is about the experience of the crew and that yacht in high latitude conditions could be very testing even for the most experienced but the most experienced wouldn't take a yacht like that, there. And that's the point.
Just look at the Lady K Sailing channel Ep 306 where a couple thought they could manage a single masted sailboat this size (20m long) with a 120 square meter mainsail, at the first gale encountered the boat just killed them both (the boom did it actually). They tried to bring undercontrol the mainsail which broke it's preventer (going downwind) then in waves induced jibe broke it's mainsheet arrangement. Making believe that a couple can bring under control such huge sails when things go wrong is as stupid as declaring that they could successfully fight a 600 lbs tiger with Jiu Jitsu...and it didn't even take Artic waters, areas around the cape Farewell south of Greenland are pretty rough.
This case came to my mind as I was watching this commercial. It showed clearly that money is not a problem solver, as their boat was a luxury custom made carbon vessel,. Hope they've better luck.
Lady K sailing was a joke. A constant display of know nothing seamanship. Now this dude is working for practical sailor advising others on boats and sailing. What a joke.
If Oyster sells that boat to this couple for sailing at those latitudes & the couple is killed or injured, the company and its execs should be held criminally liable.
@@reversingentropy This prompted me to read up a bit on Oyster. According to their Wikipedia page, their record is pretty dismal. There comes a point where moral culpability becomes criminal liability. Bankruptcy law offers no protection there.
I've got to admit, plastic is something to keep ice in, not out. As for spade rudders, high aspect rigs and high aspect bolt on keels, my opinions on that are just opinions and are based on prejudices derived from the experiences of people I personally know. Top tip: One of their yachts (Farr 52, Georgia), sits at the bottom of the South Pacific just off the Eastern Seaboard of Australia.
M8 I have to put this out there. Shackleton was an Antarctic explorer, that's the south end. Arctic=Bears and Antarctic=No Bears. The absolute worst Weather-Wind-Sea States on the planet, year round. This couple states they adventured on South Georgia and that's awesome, good on them, a brilliant accomplishment. However; that island is still more than 10 degrees north of the Antarctic Circle and they were on a tour as can be plainly seen, so lots of safety margin. I'm with you and many of the other commentators here, a 75 foot surfboard is just not safe enough for peace of mind no matter which extreme circle is being adventured in, even with professional crew (of 2? Seriously)
You had me at the stuck-on keel, lollypop rudder, and dance hall cabin. Bad ideas! But it's a great party boat and harbor queen. I'll stick with my old encapsulated keel and keel-hung rudder.
My guess is that they will do equatorial sailing first. That will take 3-5 years by which time they will understand that the boat is not fit for high latitude sailing. Personally I think it is too big. You want a boat you can sail as a couple. I have a 55' Discovery and it is brilliant we can sail it as a couple and control the boat but the loads can be phenomenal, what they will be like on that boat is unimaginable; if you don't know what you are doing you can lose and hand or limb. My guess is that the professional crew will educate the owners over time and by the time they are ready to go high latitude sailing they will change the yacht to something more suitable. The Garcia is the perfect boat for that kind of sailing.
Oyster are a disgrace when it comes to this, especially considering the couple are inexperienced , crew or no crew, as the owner and captain you need to have the experience.
I’ll just say that there are two basic components here. 1 the training of the crew for survival for months and in the worst conditions. Including the children 2. The boat. That means steel hull as a starting point. Multiple water tight bulkheads. A rig that in extreme winds in excess of 180 mph disappears or drops on the deck including sails and lines. A rudder that is protected by the keel and ballast integrated to the hull structure that in inherent to the design and not exported to dynamic loads. The scantlings are engineered not on their own but designed as an integrated structural system. Lastly the boat to be design thermally to resist extreme negative temperatures using locally sourced materials and as identified proper internal compartments to prevent injury in dynamic lateral conditions. Simply changing course is a way to create a successful life passage.
dying at sea can be an adventure too I guess. Playing cards and drinking wine in the middle of nowhere isn't an adventure, they are like the people who want to climb Mt Everest but can't do it without other people doing all the work. They clearly aren't sailors, but want to play the part.
Sailing boats are pretty simple. They've become overcomplicated, so that inexperience can overcome basic seamanship and abilty/experience. Somewhere down the track it won't.
You are. Correct. The Garcia is the boat. Un protected rudders in the arctic is just nuts… nothing like surfing down down a wave just to hit a growler!!! Great channel. You just gained a Sub.
Thanks you so much. I've been subbed and watching your content as well for a while now. Keep up the good work. A lot of misinformation out there. Cheers mate, fair winds 💪
Obviously the owners are prepared to throw whatever money they have to on this project. Oyster have a good name, but I don’t know anything more than that about them or the boat. Their plans seem really open-ended (ie flexible), so they don’t have to push into more extreme situations/locations. Adventure also means different things to different people. So, I just see this as a feel good commercial that an astute sailor will look at with a critical eye.
At least the crew should tell them, the Arctic is not a good idea on that boat. And throwing money at it wont make any difference, cheers mate fair winds 💪
First, I think 74.5 feet is too big for a sloop. I would prefer a cutter if not a ketch. This way, there are more sail combination choices to get good balance in widely varying wind strengths. Also, the sails are smaller and éasier to deal with. Foam sandwich construction may not be too bad of a choice providing the foam is thick and the grp layers are generous. I myself would prefer steel. I'd also want a long, shallow keel and a skegs protected rudder.
You are right. You buy fiberglass boats for the tropics and most other places. You buy metal/aluminum for the poles. Aluminum isn't good for the tropics and fiberglass isn't good for the poles. But what I find odd is that Oyster has gotten away from the principles of a Blue water boat. It's not new, I think it happened about 20 years ago, but each year they seem to go farther and farther away from it.
I like Oysters but they are not "Expedition" yachts. Although I know that there are a few Oysters that have rounded Cape Horn. It will be a nice commission for the Oyster sales guy.
You are spot on . . . Oyster, Amel, etc sell to people with more money than brains, more money than experience, and more money than knowledge. They know exactly what they're doing. They know that 90% or more of the boats they sell will never travel more than a few hundred miles from port, and that the vast majority of use will be on the mooring or in a slip I agree it's highly irresponsible of them to position their boats as high latitude capable. Amel is the same. Lovely marina toys and day sailors. Period. The people buying it are just rich, naiive fools.
Topicks to discuss: what do you think about large portholes in a Blue/white-water boat? Colvic Victory has very large "windows". Do you know What are the ABYC/Lloyd recommendations for porthole sizes and materials and thicknesses? what material are they on Colvic? How thick? How are they attached? Do You think they would endure a knockdown or falling down sideways from a large wave? Have You red an article about the australian Bavaria who sunk after windows popped out? (Bavaria 47 Essence)
In the case of our colvic they are 12mm laminated and tempered glass held in place by a solid aluminum frame with screws on the inside and outside. So even if it breaks it should maintain its form. However this was an expensive option. I haven't seen any others with glass. I know Telu another colvic Victor is just acrylic. But this is a very good question and a concern. I have not yet replaced the hatches on the deck even though they are leaking because I can't afford proper ocean rated solid frame hatches. A 800$ hatch is just too flimsy and made out of weak materials. That said I woul avoid anything with window on the hull itself. Cheers.
@@reversingentropy Jep, We have a Hans Christian 43 Christina and we have 13 mm polycarbonate windows and i'm thinking on doing solid shutters for those doghouse windows. On our deck hatches we had crusty 4 mm pc sheets but the frames are solid cast aluminium with 2 bars across the hatch. I replaced the window in them with 6 mm PC so they should withstand weather.
The Arctic and where Shackleton went ANTARCTICA are literally poles apart and have completely separate weather systems! Having said that I agree that aluminum or steel would be the only way to go see Juho on alluring arctic
Hey 2 guys did half the northwest passage in a norseboat dinghy. Anything can be done..its just that for example macgregor doesnt tell clients they should.. Oyster should not be behind such claims. I mean they can do it and be fine..but dont try to inspire others to do so
Someday I would like to do a Discovery Expedition retrace somewhat out of season, which is in the weight class of what they're talking about. However, I would go in a steel hauled yacht to build for pc5 with twelve millimeter hall and then double the twelve. Have props and rudders and all that built to the same kind of spec. Although I do know of one couple who is doing a northwest passage in a boat like that, but that boat is eleven years old and they got it new as their five year upgrade as a cruising couple. So if this couple had more than three thousand sea days I wouldn't thank you were overreacting. BUT CLEARLY THEY DON'T! My first step out would be something older used more in the strength of the oyster they're showing, but I wouldn't take that north of Rivers Inlet in south british columbia.
More money than sense, you would think that they would of checked out the sailing channels that cover artic sailing and the charter vessels that work up there, even asking them for advise. For me there us only two choices ali or steel and the Dutch are the best at it (for me that is). I spent a good part if my life as a commercial fisherman and solo sailor covering the south to the north. Funny thing is. For what there spending in there Oyster they could of a expedition ali/steel lifting keel that would be safe and at home in the artic or tropics..
Yeah for circumnavigating in the upper latitudes oyster is a decent blue water boat. What I don’t see is it’s an exploration style boat. Sail is way to big the hull is just going to shatter under the cold. What I was always told you need a steel hull and a design that’s made to endure arctic waters and especially the freezing cold weather. I just don’t see this design being able to weather this type of extremes. I feel these folks don’t understand just how remote the Arctic sea is you’re not going to get help anytime quick the seas can be calm one hour and be brutal the next. I’m just floored that oyster is a okay with this design it’s not like this couple didn’t tell them by the way we’d like to sail to the arctic. If I ran the company I’d drop the possibility of making a sale and say let’s find you someone who can build you a safe sail boat that can handle these conditions or least not pull out their butts a best what we got option that likely hasn’t been rigorously tested.
Wow. I didn't know that the Arctic climate made keels fall off! I guess I should sink my boat right away. FYI: Most sailboats that sail in the Arctic, and in Antarctica, have bolt-on keels, are made of glass fibre and have unprotected rudders. Do you hear about many of them losing their keels, sinking because of icebergs or losing rudders? No, you don't. Maybe you should come here to the Arctic and try living here for a while. And go sailing. My glass fibre boat has been frozen in the ice many times. I can walk around it. Absolutely no damage. Actually it is common here. My boat has also gone through the North-West Passage. And the keel didn't fall off!
So just because you have experience and can make any boat work for your needs, do you believe it would be the best tool for these two inexperienced, not yet sailors ? Bear in mind budget is not an issue. They can choose whatever they want. Would you recommend this boat?
@@reversingentropy Just me! Sorry, but you make me laugh. The whole of northern Norway sails in plastic boats. Even our fishing boats are plastic. If it was as dangerous as you say it is, don't you think we would have switched to metal? Also, why do you, living in an ice-free place, question me, living and sailing in the Arctic? Shouldnt you experience it before you make videos giving wrong opinions and advice? You are hereby invited on a sail from Tromsø to Svalbard. In my plastic boat. If you dare. Maybe my keel will be cold, get influenza and fall off. 😉 I would love to go to Svalbard in an Oyster. I see absolutely nothing wrong with it. It is a big, safe and strong boat. It will handle some ice with absolutely no problems. You have to understand that we are not using our boats as icebreakers. An aluminium boat will also rip apart if you hit the ice at speed. But nobody does that. You go slow. You keep a lookout. Alluring Arctic is going through the North-West Passage now in an aluminium boat. On foggy days he uses two lookouts. Because he doesn't want to hit ice. When the winds blow from the north, he stops and anchor. Because he doesn't want to go through all the ice. And nobody goes beyond Svalbard in a sailboat. For that, you need an icebreaker. 😉 And today, with modern technology, we have ice charts. cryo.met.no/en/latest-ice-charts
@StarfleetCommand71 Wow thanks for the invitation, who knows maybe one day we can fo the trip as buddy boats it would be amazing to have someone with experience to do It, 😁 and one day I plant to sail up there In our plastic boat, mainly because our Budget is limited 🤣. Look I never mentioned the work Plastic or metal in the video. My boat is plastic too. I have no issues with fiberglass, however I do have issues when a company clearly miss leads its costumers, with foam cored hull, unprotected rudders, high aspect ratio rigging windows on the hull near the waterline etc.. I would not consider it the "ultimate exploration machine" I think given the budget and the mission required there are much better boats, don't you agree? Even for ex a kraken would be much much better and cheaper, and its plastic too.
@@reversingentropy Do you know why they never put windows close to the waterline back in the day? Because they were very expensive and not as strong. Today, we have new materials, new types of glue etc. And the windows are as strong as the hull. Back in the day when we could not predict weather like we can today, and we didn't have the internet to update the weather whenever we wanted, the boats you like would definitely be safer. Today, with technological advances, we can be online 24/7. The materials we use are 1000 times better. The boats are designed with powerful computers. Everything to make them safer. Hitting something with your rudder, and damaging it beyond repair, is extremely rare. And people who want to be safe, carry alternative solutions in case something happens. My rudder is protected by my keel. And if I should be extremely unlucky and damage my rudder, I have a backup solution that will take me to safety. The same with keels. They just don't fall off. I have seen 50-foot boats come to a dead stop from 6-7 knots after hitting the ground. After inspection, they show no structural damage. If you feel safer in an old boat with a full keel or encapsulated keel, and protected rudder, that's what you want. But don't make videos telling old myths that were relevant 60 years ago. You make it sound like this couple will die 100 meters after they pass the Arctic Circle. Again, people who sail in icy conditions don't use their boats as icebreakers. But if you are spending the winter close to the North Pole, and you are going to let your boat get stuck in thick ice, I would definitely choose a well-built metal or wooden boat. But how many people do this every year? 10? Do you need a metal expedition boat to go to the Arctic or Antarctica? No, you don't. Most people who go there don't have these types of boats. They check the weather, they check ice charts, they go there when the conditions allow them and they are just as safe as the person in the $1 million Garcia. But the Garcia probably looks cooler. 😉
@@StarfleetCommand71you're to clever and when the internet goes down little arsenoles such as yourself are useless bon voyage your critical thinking is that of Norwegian oak
I love the oyster design it's perfect for the med or even going around the world, many people hate on the keel or rudder but honestly you don't crash your boat all the time somewhere.. so its a sturdy ocean going vessel that takes you around the world... but with all the love I have for the oyster.. the artic ?!?! Lol never would I do this! It's metal or nothing up there how can people take such unnecessary risks? Look at the channel "alluring artic" he is happy that he has an aluminium boat
I agree 100%! Give me a full keel with an attached rudder any day! Plus , these boats are being built now with bow thrusters, and not engineered correctly! Two new yachts have already sunk because of this.
And as they get older the worse it gets... Unfortunately we are already seeing more accidents, and it will be exponentially worse as more of these boats become tired. Cheers mate, fair winds 💪
This boat hit land at 7 knots. The keel didn't fall off. Everything was repaired and the guy is currently sailing this boat in Greenland. He is a very experienced sailor and has encountered weather most of us would not dare to sail in. So to all the experts out there, before you have an opinion about the Arctic or keels falling off, go there yourself. th-cam.com/video/0mjnh-Hl7vA/w-d-xo.html
People did the rally Dakar in Citroen 2cv that doesn't make it the best tool. Erik is not a beginner sailer and he has had nothing but problems trying to get up there his on its 4th attempt. You are comparing friend Erik who has been in the ocean all his life, with a couple who never sailed before.
@@reversingentropy I never talked about the people sailing this boat. I talked about the boat. If you are inexperienced it doesn't matter if you go to Svalbard in a bathtub, a Garica or an Oyster. You will have problems. What I am saying is that you give the wrong information. You talk about knockdowns, rudders falling off, icebergs hitting the boats, keels falling off etc. Why would a glass fibre boat be more exposed to this in the Arctic? None of this can happen in the Atlantic? The Titanic hit an iceberg. And sank. In the Atlantic. If you have a well-maintained boat and prepared boat, aluminium, steel or glass fibre, you can take this boat anywhere you want. Even to the Arctic.
Where to start…. This Ad has one mission. To romanticise sailing. Why else would they constantly refer to Shackleton who had a disastrous journey long enough ago that people now see it only as a story of courage and perseverance. As noted, besides the constant referrals to the model, there is zero technical data provided. Nothing in the clip would make me specifically want to buy an Oyster - but it could make me dream of sailing the world. AND… if you truly wanted to sell the virtues of your boat, why would you chose two people who have absolutely NO SAILING EXPERIENCE? My hobby is picking apart advertisements - this one could keep me entertained for the rest of the day.
Oysters are beautiful, great boats to sail from the north east down the Caribbean and even a transatlantic. This couples tremendous lack of knowledge is how oyster is able to sell them this vessel. in no way is this a high latitude boat. Aluminum or steel hull
Well that's scary! Yah sure our boat can do that, just write the 8 million dollar check for our Oyster 745. Go anywhere boat. New sailors won't know the difference. Besides new sailors should not be venturing in those waters north or south. I would not take that boat into the roaring 40's or North Atlantic, that would be suicide. You wait we will be reading about that couple missing at sea.
Erik from NBSJS, Thomas and Arctic Allure get into trouble, but survive as they are really experienced mariners. Sam Holmes is basically crazy (or has a death wish) so no harm will come to him. But these two ? I think they are in for a big surprise. Edit. Really looking forward to watching Leo from Tally Ho upcoming sailing adventure back to the UK
Erik is crazy too 🤣🤣🤣 I love it when people beat the odds adventuring with what they have available. I plan to do the same, balance safety vs just not going very carefully. But these two have no experience, thats the problem. It's ok if Erik decides im going. I'm going alone, and I'm taking the boat I have available. Because I believe I know what I'm doing. Having no sailing experience and taking you kids with you without understanding the dangers, is something else intierly... Cheers mate. Fair winds 💪
Sam isn't crazy, he actually knows what he's doing. He sailed a 23 footer to Hawaii before he got Pickle and spent time getting her ready. His cooking skills, however, leave a bit to be desired lol.
Yes they were an adventurous couple but their lack of skill and knowledge finally caught up to them... Even the best mountain climbers fall off mountains .....
There is a video from Sailing with Thomas. He claims 75-85 yachts lost their keel over the last 40 years, but if you sink and all drown, who will know why? And Oyster 745 is not a superyacht as it is under 24 maters. Real problem here is in-mast furling.
@connannbarbarin3033 yep that's a problem as well because if you furl up the sail wet it might freeze inside the mast. I actually love furling sails for solo sailing because I can do everything from the cockpit, but they are not the best option for the Arctic.
@evinwhiteson4902 It seams crazy to me, nobody sais anything. I guess most people are afraid to offend these brands and lose add money 🤦♂️. Cheers mate fair winds 💪
Do not dispair. Most people buying such a yacht would never go into the arctics but just dream about it. It is a dreamyacht. People with that low background trusting these advertisements would not be killed by ice or waves but by simple mistakes. Tragic but not worth going ballistic. Please concentrate more on content. Thsx + more peaceful !
Shackleton went into the ice at least minimally prepared to face winter in the antarctic. His vessel was crushed in the ice. After dragging their lifeboat miles across the ice they managed, with a lot of luck, to struggle to a nearly deserted island where they had to climb across frozen mountains to reach a whaling station. The story is remarkable for the amount of luck combined with suffering that strong men endured surviving in spite of the odds and lack of understanding of what they faced. The original escapade illustrated just how far from a carefree vacation polar travel can be. I can only hope they have plenty of Chateau Haut Brion to drown their sorrows.
i think its only fair that rich people be allowed to think even a paper hull would be sufficiant for arctic passage...hell, no survival suits or liferafts would be needed either as the sea would surely see their near royal "better than human" status and let them be, better yet they should make it a rite of passage for the 1% to make the great circle route near antarctica with no survival suits or liferafts in their foam or paper hulled yachts...sure "our betters" are good enought o all do this right?
We will make it a law and pass it in the royal court. The see shall always be a mirror for the visiting Rich people 😂 your comment made me laugh hard. Cheers mate fair winds 💪
Madness. You are right about the yachts they should look at. Take Distant Shores and their new Ali yacht. I’d love to know what Skip Novak would say about this boat and what Oyster think it can do. The two owners sound a bit gung ho to me despite their ‘experience’. He said they have travelled with strangers then rarely seen them again, I wonder why!
I know adventure yachts are a fashion but this is crazy and why would Oyster even need to get into this market with a yacht hut that’s not appropriate. Andy UK
It's all about appealing to the new trend. The youtubers have done the tropics to death, so now the trend is the artics. They didn't build this boat for the icebergs but they know people now want to go there so they are trying to convince them this is the boat for them.
@@reversingentropy I don't know about criminal, but it is an issue. Fact is, anybody who gets on a boat is taking a risk. The farther out you go, the more risk you are taking. Sure, the boat you pick, the experience and knowledge you have, as well as your capabilities (most overlooked) have a big factor in how much risk that is, but everybody is taking a risk voluntarily. My biggest complaint is that everybody now days is relying on technology and assistance from others to make up for their lack of skill and boat selection. EPIRBS, GPS, Sat communication, boat trackers have pretty much ruined cruising. Might as well throw in Catamarans too. Cruising used to be for the smart, brave, fearless and capable people. Now it's for the dumb, weak crybabies on YT and families. No wonder the poles is the next trend, they are trying to get away from those people.
I'm sorry dude, I absolutely like your videos, but this video screams I've never set foot or even sailed on an Oyster very very hard. I crewed on a 56 a 485 and the 565. They are go anywhere boats with thick hulls and all the luxuries you need. The boats you mentioned that in your opinion are better are crap compared to an Oyster. An Oyster 56 has a hull thickness of more than 40mm solid grp on the waterline, I can't imagine how thick it will be on an 745, probably close to twice of that. Bolt on keels are not a problem, only once a keel failed on an Oyster and that was a bad management decision. A boat like this will carry 2-3 thousand litres of fuel and a water maker to fill up the 3k litre water tanks. Oysters are the best sailboats you can buy. YES THIS BOAT CAN DO THE ARTIC. Or lets say it, I would be sleeping happily while she sails through artic waters.
Yes you are correct i have never sailed on an oyster, but I wish I would have. Some day maybe. What do you think of the unprotected rudders and the high aspect ratio of the rigging? Don't get me wrong I think its an amazing ship, but for the Arctic? I think there are better choices for the money. Cheers mate fair winds 💪
@@reversingentropy The high aspect ratio on the rig is dependent on the boat, some owners want to keep it low, some want to race their boat, the 56 I crewed on had a 28m fibre carbon mast and a aluminium boom. And she was fast 12-14 knots in 30 knots of beam reach. I do have to agree with you that unprotected rudders are a problem for the any icy conditions. I had a walk around on the 745 on a boat show and I must. say I was very impressed with how she was build. Like I said before, I'd take her to the Artic any day.
I crossed the Atlantic in a boat with 7ft beam......i never got thrown far enough to hurt myself. This is typical ARC style advertising for people with too much money. Shame on Oyster as a brand.
@@reversingentropySvalbard must be the first part, as I reckon all the rest is the Antarctic (South Georgia not so much) as is the Drake Passage. A mate of mine was sailing in Svalbard this summer. Loved it.
I bet it has the standard lithium Bomb under the Family bed too, So when the hull gets crushed the Lithium cells burst and it will all burn on the seabed for the next week, Before the fire goes out...
As with many unnecessary consumables, it is good marketing to appeal to the well-heeled by emphasizing a sense of limitless power and self-determination. That's a lethal combination for anyone paying for an adventure beyond the current limits of their knowledge base. The gentleman noted that this would be his first adventure as the leader. I also cringed when his lovely wife joked about falling into a crevasse. Maybe it was nothing but, having known a real mountaineer who died that way, I wonder if others have misled them in the past as well. I am NOT bashing this lovely couple. I'm worried that, as noted, noone has told them the boat isn't a great choice for this. HOWEVER, why didn't they do more research so that they would know it before they dropped > $5M on it? Buyer beware and the manufacturer's sales and marketing crew need to up their game to the level of basic full disclosure.
Yess that cravas thing was weird. I thought maybe it was a feature of the trip or something, but she did say they fell in it... Cheers mate fair winds 💪
Oyster have done this before multiple times. Google Firebird or Katharsis, Vera Expeditions uses an Oyster for Arctic Expeditions out of Reykjavik all be it an older one. Oysters have been all over the world for decades and this video is just fearmongering nonsense. This boat will have adequate tankage, a watermaker, heating, a reliable engine, the fears about furling sails are totally unfounded ... I really hope you are not suggesting that this couple should be wrestling that main up and down the mast short handed - or even climbing the mast to remove ice from the tracks? They will be fine, and a new Oyster is as good a choice as anything to do this. I know personally of a HR which ripped its skeg off, turned to avoid rocks, spun round and the skeg took the impact from the side - tore the rudder and skeg off the botttom ripping open the laminate. A skeg is not a panacea ... a Moody 66 Mustique had its skeg and rudder destroyed by Orcas and needed a helicopter rescue with high capacity pumps to make land. Seamanship and experience is way more important than the boat you choose to sail.
Is this the best tool for the job ? This is an amazing mid latitude circumnavigator... Why can't they just say that ? About the furling sails, like i said i like them our boat has furling in the genoa main and mizzen, but I do recognize the potential for jamming or freezing inside the mast. But you are correct the track can also freeze ant then you wont be able to lower the sail. That's a good point, it almost makes furling sails safer. Cheers mate fair winds 💪
There's nothing to add to your comments. Oyster is obviously managed by guys never been sailing before. Just making fast money with stupid advertising promising things better not even to dream about with that thing. Hopefully they'll survive hardly and sue the yard into a law case unseen before. Including personal responsibility for the management. Not the company is responsible, it's a person.
I think this oyster is not the best boat for the Arctic, but i think it's the best boat for their dream. They just want to go everywhere they want and are willing to compromise the extreme bulletproof for that one time they'll go to the Arctic for luxury and comfort with all their friends and family. This whole commercial is just selling the dream. Let's be honest these people would never be happy in a Boreal
Is this a suitable yacht to sail in higher latitudes? Well, yes and no. A number of Oysters have and do sail in these waters many others, also composite hulls. Dodo's Delight and Bob Shepton just one of the many. I personally have 6 summers and a winter in the Antarctic sailing 2 summers aboard a 20m steel hull, yacht 2041. Many yachts that sail these waters are of GRP construction and navigate without serious incident. New Garcia yachts are twin rudders without a skeg. Factors that contribute to problematic expeds are numerous, suitable yacht, crew experience (not just sailing ability but, problem solving and decision making under stress), logistics (correct fuel for cold water environments, food, waste disposal, medical),and good understanding of Meteorology, unforseen circumstances (crew accidents) and bad people management. Yes, there dreams can be fulfilled in a smaller yacht but, we shouldn't limit other people with our own limitations. With the correct Skipper many of our concerns are mitigated providing a platform they have chosen to enable safe passage. Regards, Mike T
Agreee, but still... budget beeing no issue, this boat is not the best tool for it. it's like buying a Rolls-Royce to cross the Sahara, because my driver is very good 🤣
@@reversingentropy There isn't a best for anything as we all assess risk differently. One man's risk is anothers adventure. I agree, for most people it is the wrong choice but, they are not most people.
Your not Casey I'm not sure but my insurers want to know what latitudes I'm sailing too you must do your own research I'm not a cold wether sailer and now 74 years young but decided that my way back from the Med would be the rivers and canals yes no more hard slogging harbour hopping and some anchoring is great
your right from our point of view but not from theirs. When you or I sail its us, not so with them it's a different world looking in from the outside it's amazing. I'll explain a little they do not have to sail to the destination get permits or even provision or prep all done by their people they fly in party time. Do you think their people would put them in danger on purpose nope they mitigate the risk. Do you really think they went to South Georgia island by themselves nope guides and support that's how they play. As for the add the yacht is millions base price, other buyers have resources to. Sailing can be dangerous even for the wealthy look at the German couple killed off the east coast of the U.S. or the mega sailing yacht in Spain. Their adventures are probably safer than us crossing the street. If you want to rant prices for new sailboats are out of control 113,000 for a 2025 31ft! off of yacht world.
Absolutely rubbish panic merchant… people have been up there other cheaper factory boats and done ok…. The problem is not the boat it’s the choices made by the captain and how he manages the risks so bagging the boat is just BS
People have been up there in worse boats for sure. People chros the ocean in row boats all the time. Not the point. Is this the boat you would recommend for This mission ? Cheers mate fair winds 💪
Thats most likely a big chunk of change.. For that 10 percent yo could buy a decent steel boat and equip it too. There is adutch built steel colin archer for sale in BC for 69k. Equipped for high latitude sailing@@reversingentropy
I'd never go on a circumnavigation on a boat this size. Too big, harder and slow to maneuver. Also, forces are proportional - unpredicted jibes, furling sails will need power. But that seems to be left for the crew they'll hire. They're rich people looking for a circumnavigation in "style and luxury", that's why they chose Oyster. When times get rough they'll retire to the cabin, which is the "perfect size" for the two of them and leave the hard work for the hired crew, which lives in a separate area of the boat... Don't mix things... See how exposed the crew is. Imagine being there under 30 knots of -10ºC. A pleasure, certainly. At first it really seems an ad for a couple who wants to sail shorthanded around the world... On a Garcia 52 or 60, or an Amel 50... But it's not. It's a couple that wants adventure under style and luxury.and have the means to do so on an Oyster 745. To me it looks like putting a Rolls Royce on a Camel Trophy. But that's me. I believe a Sheik once did the Paris-Dakar on a Rolls :)
I agree on the unprotected rudders and bolt on keel.I would need a crew who were highly experienced too.Personally I would go for Halberg rassy ,Najad,Sweden yachts ect,the high quality end of the market..I would definitely prefer a solid fibre glass hull.I would get advice from experienced sailors who had been there.Thanks for your fine sailing vlog.I definitely would not be going in this particular yacht.
Hello from Ireland, buddy. I just Subscribed. I would never take a sailboat to the Arctic lol. And I know nothing about boats 🚢 😒 🙄. Will someone let these people know, that there going to die, please someone? I'm so pissed off, The Ultimate Machine, my Arse. You're not going Crazy mate. There's a massive problem here. Jesus Christ save these people. These boat builders have a Duty of Care, surely. 🙏🙏🤔🫣🫣😒😒🙄🙄
This couple are deluded in there capabilities I think personally more money than common knowledge they're the accident looking for a place to make it happen
I am a Yacht’s Surveyor, owned a boat yard, crossed oceans 12 times, many singlehanded and have owned an Oyster that I really enjoyed. This is the stupidest choice of boats any ocean crosser could ever choose. It is a great boat for a rich boy to take friends around the Greek Islands on. My closest friend has an 80 footer he does that on. My friend is not stupid, he would not take a plastic boat into the icebergs. Yeah, people have done it, most lived.
No one boat for every job. I finished my sailing days on a Prout Quasar. Wonderful boat for crossing the Atlantic several times and raising some kids. Would I take it above the 40’s F’ No.
I total agree with this take. Again, I have owned an Oyster, it was great for one Atlantic crossing. When I was sailing out of the Cape, I did it on a 45’ Steel ketch. Slow but solid.
Thank you for being yet another voice of reason 🙏 It seems the world is going mad sometimes. Cheers mate fair winds 💪
*MOST*.
I don't think I'd like to crew for them. There cos they don't know what they are doing but resented as a cost and being outsiders
At least you need a well solid and rounded steel boat with all the redundancy working and sound. Something that approved and build under the supervision by Class if possible, not by any manufacturer.
You are so spot on. Oyster is a luxury yacht meant to entertain your friends with some champagne sailing around tropical locations. A couple years back sailing Zingaro wanted to take his oyster through the Drake Passage. I told him it was nice knowing him and to tell Davy Jones I said high. He ended up not going on that trip.
I see the point. Totaly agree. Dont buy this vessel for this perpose
NEVER ask a BARBER is you need a HAIRCUT.
OYSTER: "How BIG is your WALLET?...Boy have we got a YACHT for you!"
OWNERS LAWYER: "Boat wasn't FIT FOR PURPOSE."
Im sure they have a suing prof sellers contract. If something happens they will blame the crew. Cheers mate, fair winds 💪
I agree about the sails. Tall narrow rigs are best for around land as the land slows down the lower winds, so you want the sails up high. Offshore, the winds are much stronger near the deck than around land, so you don't need to get the sails up so high to generate power. On top of that, offshore you need more power because of the bigger waves, so low fat sails are much better for offshore than tall skinny sails. Think short mast with 150 genoa with Stay sail and main with long boom. This brings the COE down lower which will create more forward power and less heel.
I think Oyster went with the tall narrow rigs because that is what racing is doing and it's cool.
Yep that makes all the sense to me.
Theory from the seventies
@@OGillo2001 From my experience it seems to be true. I've cruised on both.
Dude? It was an ad. Not a review or walkthru. I'm not sure why you're so bent out of shape. Again, it's not the BOAT, it's the amount of prep that goes into being safe. They never mentioned going to the poles... Svalbard is definitely up there, but not bad in summer. They're obviously intelligent enough to weigh the risks if they crossed Georgia island, because if i'm not mistaken less than a 100 people have done that it's so dangerous. They know their limitations and they're hiring professional crew.
Is it the BEST boat? Is there a BEST boat? Most people don't drop a million dollars without doing some homework, so i'd say they're gonna be fine. Take a couple breaths and relax.
Maybe you are right. But it pissed me off... Nobody cares about integrity these days. They could have done an amazing commercial showing all the amazing places in mid latitude... But noooo... It's not them I'm worried about, it's the people watching this that don't have deep pockets for crew or a million dollar boat. Which end up buying a used sailboat based on the specs of this type of commercials, More and more people are dying out there because they watch TH-cam everyone tells them its ok to take a class A Ocean certified boat anywhere they wish, and they end up buying the pretyest saloon with a hull and go charging into the waves. I live off the coast of Portugal. This year was terrible for deaths on sailboats, It makes me sad, cuz almost all of them could have been avoided.
But you are probably right, I shouldn't let them upset me like this 😂 Cheers mate, fair winds.
It certainly is about the boat, it certainly is about the experience of the crew and that yacht in high latitude conditions could be very testing even for the most experienced but the most experienced wouldn't take a yacht like that, there. And that's the point.
Just look at the Lady K Sailing channel Ep 306 where a couple thought they could manage a single masted sailboat this size (20m long) with a 120 square meter mainsail, at the first gale encountered the boat just killed them both (the boom did it actually). They tried to bring undercontrol the mainsail which broke it's preventer (going downwind) then in waves induced jibe broke it's mainsheet arrangement. Making believe that a couple can bring under control such huge sails when things go wrong is as stupid as declaring that they could successfully fight a 600 lbs tiger with Jiu Jitsu...and it didn't even take Artic waters, areas around the cape Farewell south of Greenland are pretty rough.
Point well taken. Tank you 🙏
This case came to my mind as I was watching this commercial. It showed clearly that money is not a problem solver, as their boat was a luxury custom made carbon vessel,. Hope they've better luck.
Lady K sailing was a joke. A constant display of know nothing seamanship. Now this dude is working for practical sailor advising others on boats and sailing. What a joke.
@@danielclint1033- Lady K Sailing is great. Any idiot can criticize, and idiots often do.
@ Really, how so? He knows nothing.
If Oyster sells that boat to this couple for sailing at those latitudes & the couple is killed or injured, the company and its execs should be held criminally liable.
But they won't. They will say it was the crew fault.
@@reversingentropy This prompted me to read up a bit on Oyster. According to their Wikipedia page, their record is pretty dismal. There comes a point where moral culpability becomes criminal liability. Bankruptcy law offers no protection there.
I've got to admit, plastic is something to keep ice in, not out. As for spade rudders, high aspect rigs and high aspect bolt on keels, my opinions on that are just opinions and are based on prejudices derived from the experiences of people I personally know. Top tip: One of their yachts (Farr 52, Georgia), sits at the bottom of the South Pacific just off the Eastern Seaboard of Australia.
Thats a good point. Cheers M8, fair winds 💪
Oysters while beautiful capable boats are NOT exploration boats. If you’re going to the poles you need a hull made of metal vs. composite.
M8 I have to put this out there. Shackleton was an Antarctic explorer, that's the south end. Arctic=Bears and Antarctic=No Bears. The absolute worst Weather-Wind-Sea States on the planet, year round. This couple states they adventured on South Georgia and that's awesome, good on them, a brilliant accomplishment. However; that island is still more than 10 degrees north of the Antarctic Circle and they were on a tour as can be plainly seen, so lots of safety margin. I'm with you and many of the other commentators here, a 75 foot surfboard is just not safe enough for peace of mind no matter which extreme circle is being adventured in, even with professional crew (of 2? Seriously)
Ohhh that's right I didn't even notice. Shackleton thing. Thanks for bringing it up. Cheers mate fair winds 💪
You had me at the stuck-on keel, lollypop rudder, and dance hall cabin. Bad ideas! But it's a great party boat and harbor queen. I'll stick with my old encapsulated keel and keel-hung rudder.
It's crazy. 🤦♂️
Sven yrvind builds tiny boats so he can't go flying around the cabin, a extreme example but makes perfect sense 😄😅
Heheh. 😂
My guess is that they will do equatorial sailing first. That will take 3-5 years by which time they will understand that the boat is not fit for high latitude sailing. Personally I think it is too big. You want a boat you can sail as a couple. I have a 55' Discovery and it is brilliant we can sail it as a couple and control the boat but the loads can be phenomenal, what they will be like on that boat is unimaginable; if you don't know what you are doing you can lose and hand or limb.
My guess is that the professional crew will educate the owners over time and by the time they are ready to go high latitude sailing they will change the yacht to something more suitable. The Garcia is the perfect boat for that kind of sailing.
Oyster are a disgrace when it comes to this, especially considering the couple are inexperienced , crew or no crew, as the owner and captain you need to have the experience.
Very True. Cheers mate fair winds 💪
How about the 80' Oyster that lost its keel? Pretty new too. Being new to sailing they should get something like a Garcia Exploration 45 IMHO.
Yep totally agree, it seems like a much better fit. Cheers mate fair winds 💪
I’ll just say that there are two basic components here.
1 the training of the crew for survival for months and in the worst conditions. Including the children
2. The boat. That means steel hull as a starting point. Multiple water tight bulkheads. A rig that in extreme winds in excess of 180 mph disappears or drops on the deck including sails and lines. A rudder that is protected by the keel and ballast integrated to the hull structure that in inherent to the design and not exported to dynamic loads. The scantlings are engineered not on their own but designed as an integrated structural system.
Lastly the boat to be design thermally to resist extreme negative temperatures using locally sourced materials and as identified proper internal compartments to prevent injury in dynamic lateral conditions.
Simply changing course is a way to create a successful life passage.
Well, that's not what they're doing 😂
I take your point. Shakleton was South Pole, Drake Passage - ANTarctic - Svalbard is North - Arctic
dying at sea can be an adventure too I guess. Playing cards and drinking wine in the middle of nowhere isn't an adventure, they are like the people who want to climb Mt Everest but can't do it without other people doing all the work. They clearly aren't sailors, but want to play the part.
Good point. Cheers 😁
Sailing boats are pretty simple. They've become overcomplicated, so that inexperience can overcome basic seamanship and abilty/experience. Somewhere down the track it won't.
Cool words. Cheers mate fair winds 💪
You are. Correct. The Garcia is the boat. Un protected rudders in the arctic is just nuts… nothing like surfing down down a wave just to hit a growler!!! Great channel. You just gained a Sub.
Thanks you so much. I've been subbed and watching your content as well for a while now. Keep up the good work. A lot of misinformation out there. Cheers mate, fair winds 💪
Why are unprotected rudders in the Arctic nuts?
As newbie sailors they act like they haven't got a clue what they're in for in high latitude's and I agree, an inappropriate choice of yacht.
Cheers mate. Happy new year, Fair winds 💪
Obviously the owners are prepared to throw whatever money they have to on this project. Oyster have a good name, but I don’t know anything more than that about them or the boat. Their plans seem really open-ended (ie flexible), so they don’t have to push into more extreme situations/locations. Adventure also means different things to different people. So, I just see this as a feel good commercial that an astute sailor will look at with a critical eye.
At least the crew should tell them, the Arctic is not a good idea on that boat. And throwing money at it wont make any difference, cheers mate fair winds 💪
the rich idea of "adventure" is any time spent among us "poors"
First, I think 74.5 feet is too big for a sloop. I would prefer a cutter if not a ketch. This way, there are more sail combination choices to get good balance in widely varying wind strengths. Also, the sails are smaller and éasier to deal with.
Foam sandwich construction may not be too bad of a choice providing the foam is thick and the grp layers are generous. I myself would prefer steel.
I'd also want a long, shallow keel and a skegs protected rudder.
You are right. You buy fiberglass boats for the tropics and most other places. You buy metal/aluminum for the poles. Aluminum isn't good for the tropics and fiberglass isn't good for the poles.
But what I find odd is that Oyster has gotten away from the principles of a Blue water boat. It's not new, I think it happened about 20 years ago, but each year they seem to go farther and farther away from it.
They lost the plot somewhere along the way.
I like Oysters but they are not "Expedition" yachts. Although I know that there are a few Oysters that have rounded Cape Horn. It will be a nice commission for the Oyster sales guy.
You are spot on . . . Oyster, Amel, etc sell to people with more money than brains, more money than experience, and more money than knowledge. They know exactly what they're doing. They know that 90% or more of the boats they sell will never travel more than a few hundred miles from port, and that the vast majority of use will be on the mooring or in a slip I agree it's highly irresponsible of them to position their boats as high latitude capable. Amel is the same. Lovely marina toys and day sailors. Period. The people buying it are just rich, naiive fools.
Amen brother 🫡
Not a single hand hold in the cabin - try walking across that space in big seas
It's crazy. The open space is immense. Cheer's mate fair winds 💪
Topicks to discuss: what do you think about large portholes in a Blue/white-water boat? Colvic Victory has very large "windows". Do you know What are the ABYC/Lloyd recommendations for porthole sizes and materials and thicknesses? what material are they on Colvic? How thick? How are they attached? Do You think they would endure a knockdown or falling down sideways from a large wave? Have You red an article about the australian Bavaria who sunk after windows popped out? (Bavaria 47 Essence)
In the case of our colvic they are 12mm laminated and tempered glass held in place by a solid aluminum frame with screws on the inside and outside. So even if it breaks it should maintain its form.
However this was an expensive option. I haven't seen any others with glass. I know Telu another colvic Victor is just acrylic.
But this is a very good question and a concern. I have not yet replaced the hatches on the deck even though they are leaking because I can't afford proper ocean rated solid frame hatches. A 800$ hatch is just too flimsy and made out of weak materials.
That said I woul avoid anything with window on the hull itself.
Cheers.
@@reversingentropy Jep, We have a Hans Christian 43 Christina and we have 13 mm polycarbonate windows and i'm thinking on doing solid shutters for those doghouse windows. On our deck hatches we had crusty 4 mm pc sheets but the frames are solid cast aluminium with 2 bars across the hatch. I replaced the window in them with 6 mm PC so they should withstand weather.
The Arctic and where Shackleton went ANTARCTICA are literally poles apart and have completely separate weather systems! Having said that I agree that aluminum or steel would be the only way to go see Juho on alluring arctic
They mentioned Svalbard in the beginning of the video. Cheers mate fair winds 💪
How about the macgregor 26x as an arctic adventurer?
Don't even joke... Someday it will happen 😂
Hey 2 guys did half the northwest passage in a norseboat dinghy. Anything can be done..its just that for example macgregor doesnt tell clients they should.. Oyster should not be behind such claims. I mean they can do it and be fine..but dont try to inspire others to do so
Someday I would like to do a Discovery Expedition retrace somewhat out of season, which is in the weight class of what they're talking about. However, I would go in a steel hauled yacht to build for pc5 with twelve millimeter hall and then double the twelve. Have props and rudders and all that built to the same kind of spec.
Although I do know of one couple who is doing a northwest passage in a boat like that, but that boat is eleven years old and they got it new as their five year upgrade as a cruising couple. So if this couple had more than three thousand sea days I wouldn't thank you were overreacting. BUT CLEARLY THEY DON'T!
My first step out would be something older used more in the strength of the oyster they're showing, but I wouldn't take that north of Rivers Inlet in south british columbia.
Let's hope their crew has experience. Cheers mate, fair winds 💪
Hope they make something specific of course. Nice boat but for other things and places no doubt
Yep it's Great. I just don't understand why they keep pushing these boats for high latitudes. Cheers mate fair winds 💪
Let them do it, it will be epic story of disaster. As we say, all the gear and no idea.
If something happens they will blame the Crew. 😔
More
money than sense, you would think that they would of checked out the sailing channels that cover artic sailing and the charter vessels that work up there, even asking them for advise. For me there us only two choices ali or steel and the Dutch are the best at it (for me that is).
I spent a good part if my life as a commercial fisherman and solo sailor covering the south to the north.
Funny thing is. For what there spending in there Oyster they could of a expedition ali/steel lifting keel that would be safe and at home in the artic or tropics..
Yep... Thats the thing budget is not the issue. They could have whatever they wanted. Cheers mate.
Like that so called unsinkable sailboat on the meds .. the designers are pissed cuz it sank but they keep telling everyone it's unsinkable
And if something happens it's the crew fault 🤦♂️
Yeah for circumnavigating in the upper latitudes oyster is a decent blue water boat. What I don’t see is it’s an exploration style boat. Sail is way to big the hull is just going to shatter under the cold. What I was always told you need a steel hull and a design that’s made to endure arctic waters and especially the freezing cold weather. I just don’t see this design being able to weather this type of extremes. I feel these folks don’t understand just how remote the Arctic sea is you’re not going to get help anytime quick the seas can be calm one hour and be brutal the next. I’m just floored that oyster is a okay with this design it’s not like this couple didn’t tell them by the way we’d like to sail to the arctic. If I ran the company I’d drop the possibility of making a sale and say let’s find you someone who can build you a safe sail boat that can handle these conditions or least not pull out their butts a best what we got option that likely hasn’t been rigorously tested.
Cheers mate , fair winds 💪
Wow. I didn't know that the Arctic climate made keels fall off! I guess I should sink my boat right away.
FYI: Most sailboats that sail in the Arctic, and in Antarctica, have bolt-on keels, are made of glass fibre and have unprotected rudders.
Do you hear about many of them losing their keels, sinking because of icebergs or losing rudders?
No, you don't.
Maybe you should come here to the Arctic and try living here for a while. And go sailing.
My glass fibre boat has been frozen in the ice many times. I can walk around it. Absolutely no damage. Actually it is common here.
My boat has also gone through the North-West Passage. And the keel didn't fall off!
So just because you have experience and can make any boat work for your needs, do you believe it would be the best tool for these two inexperienced, not yet sailors ? Bear in mind budget is not an issue. They can choose whatever they want. Would you recommend this boat?
@@reversingentropy Just me! Sorry, but you make me laugh. The whole of northern Norway sails in plastic boats. Even our fishing boats are plastic. If it was as dangerous as you say it is, don't you think we would have switched to metal? Also, why do you, living in an ice-free place, question me, living and sailing in the Arctic? Shouldnt you experience it before you make videos giving wrong opinions and advice?
You are hereby invited on a sail from Tromsø to Svalbard. In my plastic boat. If you dare. Maybe my keel will be cold, get influenza and fall off. 😉
I would love to go to Svalbard in an Oyster. I see absolutely nothing wrong with it. It is a big, safe and strong boat. It will handle some ice with absolutely no problems.
You have to understand that we are not using our boats as icebreakers. An aluminium boat will also rip apart if you hit the ice at speed. But nobody does that. You go slow. You keep a lookout. Alluring Arctic is going through the North-West Passage now in an aluminium boat. On foggy days he uses two lookouts. Because he doesn't want to hit ice. When the winds blow from the north, he stops and anchor. Because he doesn't want to go through all the ice.
And nobody goes beyond Svalbard in a sailboat. For that, you need an icebreaker. 😉
And today, with modern technology, we have ice charts. cryo.met.no/en/latest-ice-charts
@StarfleetCommand71 Wow thanks for the invitation, who knows maybe one day we can fo the trip as buddy boats it would be amazing to have someone with experience to do It, 😁 and one day I plant to sail up there In our plastic boat, mainly because our Budget is limited 🤣. Look I never mentioned the work Plastic or metal in the video. My boat is plastic too. I have no issues with fiberglass, however I do have issues when a company clearly miss leads its costumers, with foam cored hull, unprotected rudders, high aspect ratio rigging windows on the hull near the waterline etc.. I would not consider it the "ultimate exploration machine" I think given the budget and the mission required there are much better boats, don't you agree? Even for ex a kraken would be much much better and cheaper, and its plastic too.
@@reversingentropy Do you know why they never put windows close to the waterline back in the day? Because they were very expensive and not as strong. Today, we have new materials, new types of glue etc. And the windows are as strong as the hull. Back in the day when we could not predict weather like we can today, and we didn't have the internet to update the weather whenever we wanted, the boats you like would definitely be safer. Today, with technological advances, we can be online 24/7. The materials we use are 1000 times better. The boats are designed with powerful computers. Everything to make them safer.
Hitting something with your rudder, and damaging it beyond repair, is extremely rare. And people who want to be safe, carry alternative solutions in case something happens. My rudder is protected by my keel. And if I should be extremely unlucky and damage my rudder, I have a backup solution that will take me to safety.
The same with keels. They just don't fall off. I have seen 50-foot boats come to a dead stop from 6-7 knots after hitting the ground. After inspection, they show no structural damage.
If you feel safer in an old boat with a full keel or encapsulated keel, and protected rudder, that's what you want. But don't make videos telling old myths that were relevant 60 years ago. You make it sound like this couple will die 100 meters after they pass the Arctic Circle.
Again, people who sail in icy conditions don't use their boats as icebreakers.
But if you are spending the winter close to the North Pole, and you are going to let your boat get stuck in thick ice, I would definitely choose a well-built metal or wooden boat. But how many people do this every year? 10?
Do you need a metal expedition boat to go to the Arctic or Antarctica? No, you don't. Most people who go there don't have these types of boats. They check the weather, they check ice charts, they go there when the conditions allow them and they are just as safe as the person in the $1 million Garcia. But the Garcia probably looks cooler. 😉
@@StarfleetCommand71you're to clever and when the internet goes down little arsenoles such as yourself are useless bon voyage your critical thinking is that of Norwegian oak
I love the oyster design it's perfect for the med or even going around the world, many people hate on the keel or rudder but honestly you don't crash your boat all the time somewhere.. so its a sturdy ocean going vessel that takes you around the world... but with all the love I have for the oyster.. the artic ?!?! Lol never would I do this! It's metal or nothing up there how can people take such unnecessary risks? Look at the channel "alluring artic" he is happy that he has an aluminium boat
I loveee alluring arctic channel as well. Cheers mate fair winds 💪
Yeah, he knows what he is doing.
Random question but do you think carbon fiber is suitable for the arctic ?
I am not an expert but from what I know carbon fiber tends to Splinter on impact, so not suitable to hit ice or logs. Cheers. Fair winds.
@reversingentropy thanks you verry much 👍
Yes, both carbon fibre and glass fibre are suitable for the Arctic.
I agree 100%! Give me a full keel with an attached rudder any day! Plus , these boats are being built now with bow thrusters, and not engineered correctly! Two new yachts have already sunk because of this.
And as they get older the worse it gets... Unfortunately we are already seeing more accidents, and it will be exponentially worse as more of these boats become tired. Cheers mate, fair winds 💪
This boat hit land at 7 knots. The keel didn't fall off. Everything was repaired and the guy is currently sailing this boat in Greenland.
He is a very experienced sailor and has encountered weather most of us would not dare to sail in.
So to all the experts out there, before you have an opinion about the Arctic or keels falling off, go there yourself.
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People did the rally Dakar in Citroen 2cv that doesn't make it the best tool.
Erik is not a beginner sailer and he has had nothing but problems trying to get up there his on its 4th attempt.
You are comparing friend Erik who has been in the ocean all his life, with a couple who never sailed before.
@@reversingentropy I never talked about the people sailing this boat. I talked about the boat. If you are inexperienced it doesn't matter if you go to Svalbard in a bathtub, a Garica or an Oyster. You will have problems. What I am saying is that you give the wrong information. You talk about knockdowns, rudders falling off, icebergs hitting the boats, keels falling off etc. Why would a glass fibre boat be more exposed to this in the Arctic? None of this can happen in the Atlantic? The Titanic hit an iceberg. And sank. In the Atlantic.
If you have a well-maintained boat and prepared boat, aluminium, steel or glass fibre, you can take this boat anywhere you want. Even to the Arctic.
@StarfleetCommand71 I did not say the things you are saying I did.
Where to start…. This Ad has one mission. To romanticise sailing. Why else would they constantly refer to Shackleton who had a disastrous journey long enough ago that people now see it only as a story of courage and perseverance. As noted, besides the constant referrals to the model, there is zero technical data provided. Nothing in the clip would make me specifically want to buy an Oyster - but it could make me dream of sailing the world. AND… if you truly wanted to sell the virtues of your boat, why would you chose two people who have absolutely NO SAILING EXPERIENCE? My hobby is picking apart advertisements - this one could keep me entertained for the rest of the day.
Yep.. absolutely spot on. Cheers mate fair winds 💪
Oysters are beautiful, great boats to sail from the north east down the Caribbean and even a transatlantic. This couples tremendous lack of knowledge is how oyster is able to sell them this vessel. in no way is this a high latitude boat. Aluminum or steel hull
Happy new year 💪
Well that's scary! Yah sure our boat can do that, just write the 8 million dollar check for our Oyster 745. Go anywhere boat. New sailors won't know the difference. Besides new sailors should not be venturing in those waters north or south. I would not take that boat into the roaring 40's or North Atlantic, that would be suicide. You wait we will be reading about that couple missing at sea.
Let's hope they get some sensible crew. Cheers mate, fair winds 💪
Not a lot of boat in this!?
They'd be better off with a Kraken... and better still with a steel hull.
Yep. They sure would. Cheers mate fair winds 💪
a 1980's designed boat.
You are absolutely right sir. This is the wrong yacht for high latitude adventure
Let's hope they realize it before a disaster happens. Cheers mate fair winds 💪
Erik from NBSJS, Thomas and Arctic Allure get into trouble, but survive as they are really experienced mariners. Sam Holmes is basically crazy (or has a death wish) so no harm will come to him. But these two ? I think they are in for a big surprise. Edit. Really looking forward to watching Leo from Tally Ho upcoming sailing adventure back to the UK
Erik is crazy too 🤣🤣🤣 I love it when people beat the odds adventuring with what they have available. I plan to do the same, balance safety vs just not going very carefully. But these two have no experience, thats the problem. It's ok if Erik decides im going. I'm going alone, and I'm taking the boat I have available. Because I believe I know what I'm doing. Having no sailing experience and taking you kids with you without understanding the dangers, is something else intierly... Cheers mate. Fair winds 💪
Sam isn't crazy, he actually knows what he's doing. He sailed a 23 footer to Hawaii before he got Pickle and spent time getting her ready. His cooking skills, however, leave a bit to be desired lol.
Yes they were an adventurous couple but their lack of skill and knowledge finally caught up to them... Even the best mountain climbers fall off mountains .....
Very true. Cheers mate, Fair winds 💪
Is there any statistic about how often a bolt on keel cause problems / actually fall off ? Do you think it even happens in these super yachts ?
I don't know... But I know better options exist, so they should be preferred, cheers mate fair winds 💪
There is a video from Sailing with Thomas. He claims 75-85 yachts lost their keel over the last 40 years, but if you sink and all drown, who will know why? And Oyster 745 is not a superyacht as it is under 24 maters. Real problem here is in-mast furling.
@connannbarbarin3033 yep that's a problem as well because if you furl up the sail wet it might freeze inside the mast. I actually love furling sails for solo sailing because I can do everything from the cockpit, but they are not the best option for the Arctic.
Oyster was bankrupted by 1 of there 80 footers loosing it's keel. So it happens often and oyster had it happen
@evinwhiteson4902 It seams crazy to me, nobody sais anything. I guess most people are afraid to offend these brands and lose add money 🤦♂️. Cheers mate fair winds 💪
Do not dispair. Most people buying such a yacht would never go into the arctics but just dream about it. It is a dreamyacht.
People with that low background trusting these advertisements would not be killed by ice or waves but by simple mistakes. Tragic but not worth going ballistic.
Please concentrate more on content. Thsx + more peaceful !
Cheers mate. Fair winds 💪
Shackleton went into the ice at least minimally prepared to face winter in the antarctic. His vessel was crushed in the ice. After dragging their lifeboat miles across the ice they managed, with a lot of luck, to struggle to a nearly deserted island where they had to climb across frozen mountains to reach a whaling station. The story is remarkable for the amount of luck combined with suffering that strong men endured surviving in spite of the odds and lack of understanding of what they faced. The original escapade illustrated just how far from a carefree vacation polar travel can be. I can only hope they have plenty of Chateau Haut Brion to drown their sorrows.
Hahah waste of good wine 🤣
i think its only fair that rich people be allowed to think even a paper hull would be sufficiant for arctic passage...hell, no survival suits or liferafts would be needed either as the sea would surely see their near royal "better than human" status and let them be, better yet they should make it a rite of passage for the 1% to make the great circle route near antarctica with no survival suits or liferafts in their foam or paper hulled yachts...sure "our betters" are good enought o all do this right?
We will make it a law and pass it in the royal court. The see shall always be a mirror for the visiting Rich people 😂 your comment made me laugh hard. Cheers mate fair winds 💪
Madness. You are right about the yachts they should look at. Take Distant Shores and their new Ali yacht. I’d love to know what Skip Novak would say about this boat and what Oyster think it can do. The two owners sound a bit gung ho to me despite their ‘experience’. He said they have travelled with strangers then rarely seen them again, I wonder why!
Hahahha good point 😂
They say it's unsinkable
Just like the Titanic 👍
I know adventure yachts are a fashion but this is crazy and why would Oyster even need to get into this market with a yacht hut that’s not appropriate. Andy UK
I think they like money. 😂
It's all about appealing to the new trend. The youtubers have done the tropics to death, so now the trend is the artics. They didn't build this boat for the icebergs but they know people now want to go there so they are trying to convince them this is the boat for them.
It's criminal...
@@reversingentropy I don't know about criminal, but it is an issue. Fact is, anybody who gets on a boat is taking a risk. The farther out you go, the more risk you are taking. Sure, the boat you pick, the experience and knowledge you have, as well as your capabilities (most overlooked) have a big factor in how much risk that is, but everybody is taking a risk voluntarily.
My biggest complaint is that everybody now days is relying on technology and assistance from others to make up for their lack of skill and boat selection. EPIRBS, GPS, Sat communication, boat trackers have pretty much ruined cruising. Might as well throw in Catamarans too.
Cruising used to be for the smart, brave, fearless and capable people. Now it's for the dumb, weak crybabies on YT and families. No wonder the poles is the next trend, they are trying to get away from those people.
Give me a garcia 60 for this particular adventure. But i would prefer a 20 year old oyster 62 for my circumnavigation. Cause i aint going to no arctic
Loool fair point. Cheers mate fair winds 💪
I'm sorry dude, I absolutely like your videos, but this video screams I've never set foot or even sailed on an Oyster very very hard.
I crewed on a 56 a 485 and the 565. They are go anywhere boats with thick hulls and all the luxuries you need.
The boats you mentioned that in your opinion are better are crap compared to an Oyster. An Oyster 56 has a hull thickness of more than 40mm solid grp on the waterline, I can't imagine how thick it will be on an 745, probably close to twice of that.
Bolt on keels are not a problem, only once a keel failed on an Oyster and that was a bad management decision.
A boat like this will carry 2-3 thousand litres of fuel and a water maker to fill up the 3k litre water tanks.
Oysters are the best sailboats you can buy.
YES THIS BOAT CAN DO THE ARTIC.
Or lets say it, I would be sleeping happily while she sails through artic waters.
Yes you are correct i have never sailed on an oyster, but I wish I would have. Some day maybe. What do you think of the unprotected rudders and the high aspect ratio of the rigging?
Don't get me wrong I think its an amazing ship, but for the Arctic? I think there are better choices for the money.
Cheers mate fair winds 💪
@@reversingentropy The high aspect ratio on the rig is dependent on the boat, some owners want to keep it low, some want to race their boat, the 56 I crewed on had a 28m fibre carbon mast and a aluminium boom. And she was fast 12-14 knots in 30 knots of beam reach. I do have to agree with you that unprotected rudders are a problem for the any icy conditions. I had a walk around on the 745 on a boat show and I must. say I was very impressed with how she was build. Like I said before, I'd take her to the Artic any day.
@dutchglobetrotter4513 here's hoping one day you can :) cheers mate.
I crossed the Atlantic in a boat with 7ft beam......i never got thrown far enough to hurt myself. This is typical ARC style advertising for people with too much money. Shame on Oyster as a brand.
Cheers, fair winds mate 💪
Didnt Shackleton sink his boat
Good point 😂😂😂
This is why orcas are attacking boats.
Loooool good point 😂
Not Arctic, it’s the Antarctic shown in the video.
They show both. Svalbard and Antarctica. Cheers mate.
@@reversingentropySvalbard must be the first part, as I reckon all the rest is the Antarctic (South Georgia not so much) as is the Drake Passage. A mate of mine was sailing in Svalbard this summer. Loved it.
Funny You mention Garcia as first ^^ Would be my choice too.
That's where my money would go. 👌
You are NOT going crazy! What they are doing... IS crazy!
According to some comments, I am now a fear mongrel 🤣... Cheer mate, thanks for the support. Fair winds 💪
We have reached peak absurdity. Loco
Naaaa... I think "we can go dumber" hehehe cheers mate fair winds 💪
I bet it has the standard lithium Bomb under the Family bed too, So when the hull gets crushed the Lithium cells burst and it will all burn on the seabed for the next week, Before the fire goes out...
LiFePo4 is not the same as a Lithium car battery.
They probably have lifepo4 😂
As with many unnecessary consumables, it is good marketing to appeal to the well-heeled by emphasizing a sense of limitless power and self-determination. That's a lethal combination for anyone paying for an adventure beyond the current limits of their knowledge base. The gentleman noted that this would be his first adventure as the leader. I also cringed when his lovely wife joked about falling into a crevasse. Maybe it was nothing but, having known a real mountaineer who died that way, I wonder if others have misled them in the past as well. I am NOT bashing this lovely couple. I'm worried that, as noted, noone has told them the boat isn't a great choice for this. HOWEVER, why didn't they do more research so that they would know it before they dropped > $5M on it? Buyer beware and the manufacturer's sales and marketing crew need to up their game to the level of basic full disclosure.
Yess that cravas thing was weird. I thought maybe it was a feature of the trip or something, but she did say they fell in it... Cheers mate fair winds 💪
Oyster have done this before multiple times. Google Firebird or Katharsis, Vera Expeditions uses an Oyster for Arctic Expeditions out of Reykjavik all be it an older one. Oysters have been all over the world for decades and this video is just fearmongering nonsense. This boat will have adequate tankage, a watermaker, heating, a reliable engine, the fears about furling sails are totally unfounded ... I really hope you are not suggesting that this couple should be wrestling that main up and down the mast short handed - or even climbing the mast to remove ice from the tracks? They will be fine, and a new Oyster is as good a choice as anything to do this. I know personally of a HR which ripped its skeg off, turned to avoid rocks, spun round and the skeg took the impact from the side - tore the rudder and skeg off the botttom ripping open the laminate. A skeg is not a panacea ... a Moody 66 Mustique had its skeg and rudder destroyed by Orcas and needed a helicopter rescue with high capacity pumps to make land. Seamanship and experience is way more important than the boat you choose to sail.
Is this the best tool for the job ? This is an amazing mid latitude circumnavigator... Why can't they just say that ?
About the furling sails, like i said i like them our boat has furling in the genoa main and mizzen, but I do recognize the potential for jamming or freezing inside the mast. But you are correct the track can also freeze ant then you wont be able to lower the sail. That's a good point, it almost makes furling sails safer. Cheers mate fair winds 💪
Good comment - your points ads to the balance of this topic 🙂
Hi Paulo, completely agree mate! I have two words for you, KRAKEN YACHTS !
I hear they make a special Kevlar hull for the ice now. Cheers mate.
Don't disagree with you. You didn't piss me off this time :-)
So sorry to disappoint 😂 Cheers mate fair winds 💪
New to sailing and going to the Antarctic 😅😅
Once they find themselves in worm Sandy beaches they will never leave lol
There's nothing to add to your comments. Oyster is obviously managed by guys never been sailing before. Just making fast money with stupid advertising promising things better not even to dream about with that thing. Hopefully they'll survive hardly and sue the yard into a law case unseen before. Including personal responsibility for the management. Not the company is responsible, it's a person.
That would be a step in the right direction, and very interesting to see. Cheers mate fair winds 💪
I think this oyster is not the best boat for the Arctic, but i think it's the best boat for their dream. They just want to go everywhere they want and are willing to compromise the extreme bulletproof for that one time they'll go to the Arctic for luxury and comfort with all their friends and family. This whole commercial is just selling the dream. Let's be honest these people would never be happy in a Boreal
You are probably right. Cheers mate fair winds 💪
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Steel Hull! Ketch Rig!
Yess please 🙏 cheers mate, fair winds 💪
Cutter Rig, with a good storm sail
@COLINJELY I prefer two masts. Always Cary a spare mast 😁
Aluminium with 8mm on the bottom and bow. Cutter rig with mast a bit aft and balanced sailing on inner jib alone
@@ninaforrester8552 how about 12mm bottom to 8mm sides but only 10 meters long LOL that's what I have cheers.
The old saying about fools & their money
Heheh. I hope they they don't fafo to mich, Cheers mate fair winds 💪
Is this a suitable yacht to sail in higher latitudes? Well, yes and no. A number of Oysters have and do sail in these waters many others, also composite hulls. Dodo's Delight and Bob Shepton just one of the many. I personally have 6 summers and a winter in the Antarctic sailing 2 summers aboard a 20m steel hull, yacht 2041. Many yachts that sail these waters are of GRP construction and navigate without serious incident. New Garcia yachts are twin rudders without a skeg. Factors that contribute to problematic expeds are numerous, suitable yacht, crew experience (not just sailing ability but, problem solving and decision making under stress), logistics (correct fuel for cold water environments, food, waste disposal, medical),and good understanding of Meteorology, unforseen circumstances (crew accidents) and bad people management. Yes, there dreams can be fulfilled in a smaller yacht but, we shouldn't limit other people with our own limitations. With the correct Skipper many of our concerns are mitigated providing a platform they have chosen to enable safe passage. Regards, Mike T
Agreee, but still... budget beeing no issue, this boat is not the best tool for it. it's like buying a Rolls-Royce to cross the Sahara, because my driver is very good 🤣
@@reversingentropy There isn't a best for anything as we all assess risk differently. One man's risk is anothers adventure. I agree, for most people it is the wrong choice but, they are not most people.
Your not Casey I'm not sure but my insurers want to know what latitudes I'm sailing too you must do your own research I'm not a cold wether sailer and now 74 years young but decided that my way back from the Med would be the rivers and canals yes no more hard slogging harbour hopping and some anchoring is great
Fair winds mate 💪
Amazing yatch
For a specific mission, not the Arctic. Cheers mate Fair winds 💪
your right from our point of view but not from theirs. When you or I sail its us, not so with them it's a different world looking in from the outside it's amazing. I'll explain a little they do not have to sail to the destination get permits or even provision or prep all done by their people they fly in party time. Do you think their people would put them in danger on purpose nope they mitigate the risk. Do you really think they went to South Georgia island by themselves nope guides and support that's how they play. As for the add the yacht is millions base price, other buyers have resources to. Sailing can be dangerous even for the wealthy look at the German couple killed off the east coast of the U.S. or the mega sailing yacht in Spain. Their adventures are probably safer than us crossing the street. If you want to rant prices for new sailboats are out of control 113,000 for a 2025 31ft! off of yacht world.
Yep, I get your point. They fly in when the weather is good and the boat is already there. Cheers mate, fair winds 💪
Absolutely rubbish panic merchant… people have been up there other cheaper factory boats and done ok…. The problem is not the boat it’s the choices made by the captain and how he manages the risks so bagging the boat is just BS
People have been up there in worse boats for sure. People chros the ocean in row boats all the time.
Not the point.
Is this the boat you would recommend for This mission ?
Cheers mate fair winds 💪
Wonder how much they got payed for this pseudo advertising. Maybe they shoud do the northwest passage west to east
I think they just got like 10% discount on the boat 🤣
Thats most likely a big chunk of change.. For that 10 percent yo could buy a decent steel boat and equip it too. There is adutch built steel colin archer for sale in BC for 69k. Equipped for high latitude sailing@@reversingentropy
If you do your homework you would only go for Steel or Aluminium construction for high latitude sailing, not the right tool for the job
Cheers mate fair winds 💪
Why? Are you planning on using your boat as an icebreaker?
I'd never go on a circumnavigation on a boat this size. Too big, harder and slow to maneuver. Also, forces are proportional - unpredicted jibes, furling sails will need power. But that seems to be left for the crew they'll hire. They're rich people looking for a circumnavigation in "style and luxury", that's why they chose Oyster. When times get rough they'll retire to the cabin, which is the "perfect size" for the two of them and leave the hard work for the hired crew, which lives in a separate area of the boat... Don't mix things...
See how exposed the crew is. Imagine being there under 30 knots of -10ºC. A pleasure, certainly.
At first it really seems an ad for a couple who wants to sail shorthanded around the world... On a Garcia 52 or 60, or an Amel 50... But it's not. It's a couple that wants adventure under style and luxury.and have the means to do so on an Oyster 745. To me it looks like putting a Rolls Royce on a Camel Trophy. But that's me. I believe a Sheik once did the Paris-Dakar on a Rolls :)
Nice to see I'm not the only one... Very funny your remarks about the poor crew 😂 Cheers mate, fair winds 💪
I agree on the unprotected rudders and bolt on keel.I would need a crew who were highly experienced too.Personally I would go for Halberg rassy ,Najad,Sweden yachts ect,the high quality end of the market..I would definitely prefer a solid fibre glass hull.I would get advice from experienced sailors who had been there.Thanks for your fine sailing vlog.I definitely would not be going in this particular yacht.
Hello from Ireland, buddy. I just Subscribed. I would never take a sailboat to the Arctic lol. And I know nothing about boats 🚢 😒 🙄. Will someone let these people know, that there going to die, please someone? I'm so pissed off, The Ultimate Machine, my Arse. You're not going Crazy mate. There's a massive problem here. Jesus Christ save these people. These boat builders have a Duty of Care, surely. 🙏🙏🤔🫣🫣😒😒🙄🙄
At least the crew should let them know. Let's hope 🙏 cheers mate.
This couple are deluded in there capabilities I think personally more money than common knowledge they're the accident looking for a place to make it happen