Indexing Torsion bars/Lifting a Mercedes W163 ML320 ML430 ML500 ML55
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The W163 is actually a very cheap and easy platform to lift. Watch the video to find out how easy.
I ended up with 22" from all 4 hub centers to top of the wheel arches. 38" from ground to wheel arch.
And 14" of total ground clearance all the way down the center with 35x12.50R17 Federal Couragias
For ground clearance comparison:
Jeep Rubicon - 10.8"
G-Wagon - 9.5"
4Runner TRD - 9.6"
Military HMMWV - 16"
Get a set of rear 1" spacer blocks here www.ebay.com/itm/153822478770
The factory front shocks only have 3" of travel from 15" compressed to 18". We need to find a similar shock that has at least 19" full length. Then we will hit another limiting factor at the ball joints. Any more down travel than this and the ball joints will be maxed out. The answer to that is uniball control arms but I'm not ready to make a set of those yet. I had a set of UCAs from Camberg on my 4Runner that were great.
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I'm looking to get back into a W163, had one many years ago. Thinking of doing an overland build and your vid inspired me to keep looking and possible pulling the trigger. Great tutorial and info you included in your build. BTW, nice welding and custom bumper build. Thanks for posting!
That is a number 3 Philips. Most importantly this is the information I been looking for to fit 35s without a body lift. You rock
Dude, thank you! I'm going to try to raise the front end up a bit on mine soon, and this is exactly what I was trying to find out how to do... I'm looking forward to seeing your other ML videos
IMPORTANT tip when reinstalling rear torsion bolts: Make SURE front wheels are TOTALLY off the ground! Any load will prevent the torsion bolts from reaching the nuts.
Hey buddy, I just subbed to your channel for 3 reasons . 1. CONTENT ON THE W163 PLATFORM 2. WHEN YOU ASKED AT THE START IF WE WANTED TO TAKE OUR ML'S WHERE WE ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO, I ANSWERED YES AND YOU SAID" ME TOO" IT TRIPPED ME OUT LOL. 3. W163 CONTENT!!!!!
KEEP EM COMING BRO IM JACKIN MINE UP THIS WEEKEND YOUR VIDEO WAS A GREAT HELP. shit i just realized i was typing with CAPS on sorry!!
Thanks 4 Urs movie mate !!!!
Very nice
For the rear shocks u can use front y60 patrol shocks with a little touch. :) Maybe for the front too :)
Can i just screw the bolt all the way till its stop for lifting the ml ? Also at full rotation to the top how many inches it will lift the front ?
Urgently and kindly i need the information of the front lifting using the bolt only..
If i bolt it all the way to the top how many inches it will lift ? I also ordered back spacers 40 mm to lift the rear.
Thank you
Great job, love how your ML sits.. Just qurious. How much would u charge to lift my ml320 ?
Do you still make the rear spacers? I would be interested in buying some
Men you are great💪🏼👍🏻
Thanks! It's fun
Cool. Me and my friend both have lifted ml500s
got any videos wheeling?
Theyre not public yet were edditing them a little but its only some snow testing for now. Btw do you have ant torqie steer when you accelerate full throttle ? My friends ml has alot but mine doesnt but mine is almost stock height in the front only lifted in the back.
@@kiskiller3 I only hammer on it off road. WOT launches would be hell on the trans with 35s and the 3.46 gears. The 320 and 500 have 3.70 gears. I actaully like the highgear ration as its better on the already bad MPG.
Hammering it is the only thing we do.. i get around 12mpg average.. well. Let me know if you discover torque steer. I really want to lift the front of my ml but torque steer is something i dont want at all..
Also. Dont worry about that transmission.. the 722.6 is nearly unbreakable. Its awesome. Only problems woth it is conductor plate and the seal that leaks in the connector.
It's been a while now, are the spacers still available?
I have almost identical setup to your ml.
I would recommend fitting an LSD rear end if finances allow.
It's made a massive difference on badly rutted out trails and deep mud.
Not that I use it for super serious off road.
Built more of a cross country expedition/camping vehicle.
But its good to have the extra traction as a backup when I need it 👍
Backinthehighlife again What LSD unit did you use?
@@davidmiller2973 5 series BMW. 3.46 ratio to suit Ml 270 diesel factory gearing.
Custom made diff cradle brackets. Custom inner Cv's with machined drive flange adapters.
Lsd set up pretty tight like a locker, but still streetable on paved roads.
Al bolt in, no cutting or welding to the frame.
Backinthehighlife again so you used a e39 lsd ? As you mention you had to do a lot of custom parts to used that lsd?
@@crazyyakuza8741 Yeah pretty sure its e39 diff.i had a friend supply the diff and fit it to the ML. Being an engineer he did all the welding and fabrication of the diff mounting brackets and machining of the drive flange adapters.
The problem we had was the ML uses a tripodle inner cv, rather than a more conventional cage and race type cv.
So we had to find a cv with the same size spline count and diameter as the axle, and at the same time fit the bolt pattern on the BMW drive flanges.
We managed to find a cv that fitted the axle side but not the drive flange side.
So that's why we had to use adapters to change the bolt pattern from cv to drive flange.
You could probably find the right combination so you didn't have to use adapters. But I just didn't have the time or the patience to look through every shelf at every junk yard or parts store in the city.
One thing worth mentioning, if your going to do a conversion like this yourself, is depending what width cv you use,just make sure you don't run out of axle spline as the suspension travels through it's full range of motion. Causing the cv's to bind up.
Also you don't have to use the diff I fitted. I guess you could use any IRS LSD diff that is strong enough, has the correct ratio for your ML model and is not too complicated to fit.
If you have any questions, just ask. 👍
Backinthehighlife again
clever engineering and thinking.
How much extra lift do you think is possible before seriously compromising cv life?
Also, what impact on wheel camber have you seen?
I’m imagining camber moves in a positive direction.
do you put a longer bolt? the link for the rear spacers doesnt work
Whered you get the front bullbar?
How much height came with 2 teeth indexing?
I’m looking to lift the back on my ml 500 2002 and your spacer looks perfect. Can I buy them from you? The link you provided is not available from the description.
Benzoffroad.com is now up and running and ready for your order
I've been so long looking for how to get mine lifted in the front! Very cool! I only don't get exactly where you've put all those washers exactly... Any chance for a short explanation. Sorry if I might not have understood it probably right, I'm not natively speaking English
Шайбы кладутся между кузовом и плавающей гайкой торсиона, чтоб хватило длинны болта зацепить зайку. У меня так-же сделано, тоже ставил упор чтоб зацепить гайку
Либо искать бол 14х1.5мм длинной 160мм. Штатный болт длинной 153мм
Hi,
do you no longer make the rear spacers ? i am interested in buying a set, but the link in the description is not available. Thanks
Benzoffroad.com should work. Spacers are available
I wonder what the effects are if you index only by one. Do you still have to modify more stuff for the tires to stay straight. And just basically use the stock equipment. Or will it not fit anymore no the less.
I'm curious too and thinking of doing it this way, I have 20mm rear spacer, and putting the front all the way up, it's not quite level, having a rake to it, so I wanna try 1 spline since 2 requires more modification.
what brand of tires and what size did you install ?
Does lifting the front end cause camber change at the front end?
I imagine it does but not having lifted an ML I don’t know from experience. I’m guessing it’ll move the camber in a positive direction.
Yes it will drastically increase negative camber. Its fixed by pulling the upper control all the way out and getting an alignment for the toe angle. I did mine myself. Same for the rear when you lift it.
Also, since making that video, I've put in new 97 4Runner rear shocks up front. Rancho RS9000 which are adjustable and they're awesome
How did you get that front bumper I would like to have one for my 2003 ml320 I am giving it that jurassic park lost world look I already have a 50" light bar for the roof
I build them. They're for sale on Benzoffroad.com
hi! I would like to do the same thing on a w163. all w163 have low gear in the transfert case? is it possible to put a front or rear diff locker?
No diff locks available at this time. Something I'm working on
fuck, you know how much harder of a job this is to do on a truck from up here in rustland. everything was damned jammed. haha
Gday mate. Any chance of getting front bar details off you ? I've done the rear bar and tyre carrier
second that!
Hey i need those spacers to lift the back of my ml430, and possibly interested in buying a custom bumper
Message me on Infidel Garage on Facebook. A new site will be up soon. Benzoffroad.com
Do you need to compress the spring to get the old bolts out/new longer bolts in?
I just cut the rear strut mount studs, elongated the hole so I could slide the longer bolts in.
Holly Shit that's awesome. Now that baby needs a locking rear diff! Did you change the gearing by any chance?
no change in gearing
Please tell you sell the back spacers. I truly want to make my W163 an overlander. Pls help us!!!
Yes we do. Check out Benzoffroad.com
I love your front bumper bro, where did you get it from?
Build them myself. Check us out on FB @ Infidel Garage
@@InfidelGarage Ok man, thanks.
Where did u get front and rear bumper from
I build them facebook.com/InfidelGarage
Are you still selling the lift blocks?
Yes we are. Infidel Garage FB page for sales
I'm gonna hit you up soon for some spacers are you still selling them
Lee Palmer It Is In The Description. An EBay Page. If It Is Not Available Like Mine, Jon Said It Is Available On Benzoffroad.com
what wheels do you have? the size ?
Factory ML430 wheels with 35x12.50 Federal Couragias
Where are you located can you just do mine for me
Northern California. I'd be happy to help out
How can I buy the spacers ?
Order here facebook.com/InfidelGarage