3:40 Feitan isnt immune to pain packer. A lot of transmuters have to tap into conguration to conjure clothing to protect themselves from the substance or effect they transmute aura to if it is harmful. For example, the bomber had to use his own aura to protect his hands from his little flower explosions. Making them weaker. If he conjured gloves out of aura, he'd be able to make much more power little flower explosions
Knuckle high key is a hard counter to feitan. he doesn't do damage and will seal his nen if he goes bankrupt. the question is if his output is higher than feitan or not. that's the deciding factor but his counter type ability is relly much hard countered here.
I appreciate the inclusion of the "even if Feitan survives Killua's initial onslaught to activate Pain Packer", but let's be real. He doesn't survive that. Very few humans in the series would. Even Uvogin was getting damaged by the fodder beasts. Meanwhile Killua instantly decapitated Rammot, a talented enhancer officer. Forget 8 hits. Feitan dies in one. I've been making these same points for years, and never bothered to include the car speed comparison lol. Especially since Shalnark was practically crippled while running away, and they had to navigate tunnels rather than just run away in a straight line, and STILL had time to get away. The glazing of Rising Sun in this community is unbelievable.
@@Hissingace110 @Hissingrqce110 no uvogian was foddrizing the beasts also faitan does survive that also he beat zazan who was way stronger than rommot also your weren’t making points all your doing is fanboying also the glazing of Godspeed is insane also faitan oneshots Killua and if your gonna disagree let’s debate about it
I find it funny that you people think you know better than the author. I think Togashi intentionally made the comparisons vague. You might THINK Killua kills in 1, but there is no one to judge. The only bridge here is Hisoka. Chrollo fought Hisoka who fought Gon and Gon and Killua have relative capabilities. I don't think Killua is beating Hisoka and Hisoka and Faitan are relatively even with Hisoka having the advantage. At best, you can only guess...just like everybody else lol Better to not be dumb and pass off guesses as facts.
@LeoBeastmode There's a lot more bridging than that. For example, Silva instant-killed a squadron leader. Seemingly with the same attack that Chrollo was able to survive while fighting both Silva and Zeno simultaneously. Meanwhile, Feitan was on par with a squadron leader.
thank you professor. the phantom troupe are like the most glazed characters in hxh. People just dont like admitting that phantom troupe gon and killua are reaching the top tiers of power in hxh
@michaelabreu700 The phantom troupe barely defeated a captain and a few officers. For Feitan to win, he has to survive a initial onslaught by godspeed. Do you honestly think he would?
I agree with multiple points but the fanbase does definitely overrate Godspeed massively mostly because they overlook its glarring drawbacks. When used purely for direct combat like he did against Youpi it has a duration of at best a few seconds before he runs out of energy and he has to recharge. Of course that still makes it strong but not unbeatably so like people like to believe it is. If his oppenent survives that burst then Killua is left fighting without a hatsu unless he can escape to a source of electricity. That's why he only ever opted to use it to flee during the Election Arc. When factoring that in the fight could go either way.
1: That was Killua's first time using it. After that first time, he uses it dramatically longer, including for combat, and even states "I can go all night". 2: I have never understood why anybody thinks this matters. Let's nerf it into the ground and say Godspeed only lasts 10 seconds. How in the hell is Feitan surviving an entire 10 seconds against Godspeed? As stated, the lightning bolt (which Feitan doesn't have a prayer of avoiding) stunned Youpi (infinitely more durable than Feitan) for long enough that Knuckle (dramatically slower than KIllua) could land 8 hits. Killua can instant-kill people that are MUCH more durable than Feitan, and in fact, that's his fighting style. Most of his "fights" in the series consist of Killua blitzing his opponent and ending the fight. How does anybody imagine that Feitan is going to survive even one hit against Killua, let alone a stunned Feitan surviving 8+? He'd have his head and heart removed and crushed before he even realized the fight started.
@@Hissingace110another thing that people tend to miss is that "Godspeed" is divided into 2 separate abilities, "speed of lightning" and "whirlwind". "Whirlwind" puts his body on autopilot, while "speed of lightning" he's still in full control. He used "whirlwind" against Youpi, the automated aura would explain why it drains quickly. However "speed of lightning" is still more than enough speed to blitz any member of the troupe, and he has been shown to use that for extended periods of time.
@@Professor_Fiction I feel like Feitan is just not that strong stat wise, he has a powerful nen ability in pain packer, but I doubt he would ever be able to hit anyone like Chrollo/Hisoka with it. Given the fact that his ko enhanced attack failed to damage Zazan I think it's fair to say that Feitan without the use of pain packer has pretty unimpressive ap.
The original phantom troupe members are all Hisoka’s level according to Killua and they had to hide and even run away when their cover was blown despite concealing their aura. They caught up to Gon and Killua(two experienced yet one in a million talent users of nen, one of them just fought Hisoka at the tournament). Hisoka is more efficient and a smarter fighter with the properties of his bungee gum(a complicated ability to deal with even for enhancers and manipulators that are stronger than Hisoka), that is why he killed some of them so easily “off guard”. If Phinx is stronger than feitan in arm wrestling, he is more than likely stronger in the enhancer category because the phantom troupe literally use nen to amplify their arm strength in the anime and manga to compare themselves with exception of Uvogin who has the best physical stats normally without nen. Also let’s stop limiting these guys, Feitan is clearly walking in his rising Sun ability meaning he can withstand it. If the other phantom troupe are steering clear of the rising Sun just like they hold their ears when Uvogin screams then Hisoka would have to move as well. In a one on one fight, nobody around and nobody interfering even in Godspeed mode, Killua would struggle and definitely potentially lose against the strongest possible Feitan could be while fresh.
I’m not denying that Pain Packer wouldn’t defeat Killua. The problem is that Killua’s combination of abilities and skills is a hard counter for Feitan on top of just being a very powerful and skilled Nen user. Also, Killua never said all the Phantom Troupe members were equal to Hisoka. That was only Machi and Nobunaga and he never said they were on the same level
@@Professor_Fiction Is Killua a hard counter? We're measuring his godspeed against the only fighter he used it against: Youpi, someone who Shoot dodged for a whole minute so not the fastest. And his best durability feats are against Palm. Everyone else he pretty much dodged or ran away from. Killua is great, but he didn't take out any formidable Chimera Ant officers. Killua would be cooked against a foe with any decent amount of speed, offense and knowledge of nen. The foes Killua tend to beat seem similar to the ones the phantom troupe are faced with: fodder they outmatch or surprise attack.
Shoot didn’t last a minute, he lasted about 20ish seconds I believe and that was only because he literally pushed himself to his limits. He kept on taking lethal attacks but didn’t care because of his new resolve. It’s also very likely this new resolve made his own Nen stronger. All in all, he only managed to hit Youpi a single time in that period. He’s blatantly much faster than people like Morel who can fight Squadron Leader Ants like Morel, Knuckle and Shoot, as well as obviously being above Squadron Leader ants due to blitzing 2 Royal guards. Comparatively, Feitan fought Base Form Zazan and only managed to hit her and do damage one time. And yes, the ants Killua fought are the same ones Phinks and Bonolenov fougnt. The difference being, Killua can take them out with nothing but brute force while most of the Troupe needed their Nen abilities
To put this into perspective. Zazan has a power score of 18/30 and Cheetu a 17/30. We all know how Silva and Zeno fodderized Cheetu, which would most likely mean that they would low to no diff Zazan as well. Feitan's feats against Zazan is pretty unimpressive aside from his pain packer. End of Chimera ant arc Killua has a score of 23/30 which trumps Zazan's. Feitan is Killua victim period. Now granted, I do not believe the databook is 100 percent accurate even though it's approved by Togashi himself, but the stats should give us a ballpark idea of where these characters fall in terms of power.
Cheetu is probably just weaker specifically with low defense. Why do you think he went back to the king? Even Leol ran away once he got too much heat. At worst, you could say Zazan just had uniquely strong defense, and at best she probably was quite a bit more formidable than Cheetu. I bet Killua could probably low-diff Cheetu too, but he'd be chipping away forever trying to do damage to Zazan because his damage doesn't even touch Gon's, let alone Feitan's.
@@LeoBeastmode Again, I would refer to the databook instead of headcanon. Sure Zazan probably had good defense, but to say that then means Killua would scale below Zazan is just pure speculation. Killua scales 5 points higher than Zazan, which is significantly higher. The fact is Godspeed Killua has more than enough ap to kill Feitan whereas in no world would Feitan be able to land pain packer on Killua. It's not close at all.
I think the point is run out of the blast area, then just run back and finish him off. The only effect pain packer having is reducing Feitans nen reserves in that scenario.
@@gnoomlordidk why your being hyperbolic all this "running away" is just dodging the fight can still continue once an aoe attack expires this not an argument.
@@gnoomlord it is though if the attack itself is 2km please tell me how one would dodge it without moving 2km. How do you even define dodging without moving bruh.
Been saying this forever. Killua is on a different level now with god speed than he was in York new. He got rid of his nen needle and shouldn’t be scared of the phantom troupe anymore. He definitely solos everyone now. Tbh I’m not even sure if even chrollo will be able to do anything against him. No amount of prep time can go against killuas pure speed.
@@jelloisok @jelloisok Killua ain’t shit what are you smoking? So your telling he solos mereum, nanika and faitan? Get outta here with the needle bullshit he is still fodder without it and one little amount of prep time could go against Killuas Godspeed also faitan oneshots killua and his godspeed
So that means that Killua has surpassed Zeno, Illumi and Silva right. Because if he’s a better fighter than Chrollo then that means he’s the strongest Zoldyck. Which obviously isn’t true
Great video man. Personally I don’t think killua could beat zazan. I don’t even think gons rock would kill her seeing how Feitans ko did zero damage to her. Then feitan one shot her effortlessly with pain packer. Overall great vid though and good scaling
Zazan specifically in her transformed state might be too durable for Killua, but Feitan is kind of just a bad matchup for Killua. Killua does really bad against straight bruisers and durable tanks but for people who rely very heavily on an ability like Feitan Godspeed can usually stop them
@@Professor_Fiction thats a very good point and honestly you could be 100% correct. I really wish we got to see more nen masters fight speedsters. I think theres a chance that there's a nen technique specifically for fighting fast opponents that has not been explained yet. Similar to how in Heavens arena Hisoka made his nen invisible (something seemingly unbeatable), then a chapter later they're like "dude just use gyo and you counter that easily." There might be a simple nen answer to countering speedsters too(would explain why morel said theres many ways to beat people who overrely on speed). That's just my own headcanon though tbh, but it would explain why people like Tsubone think they could beat killua.
@@Professor_Fiction i started watching more of your vids man, you're really good at powerscaling. if youre down to collab sometime i think it would be really cool
Illumi is also immune to electricity since he has the same Zoldyck training Killua does so Godspeed attacks wouldn't stun him not to mention getting close to him in general puts you at risk of getting one shot if one of his needles lands. He's a pretty hard counter to Killua.
Not if Illumi is just stronger than Feitan. Also Killua didn’t want to kill Illumi or even fight him. At the end of the arc he threatened to fight Illumi for real. The rules of the family say they aren’t allow to have a real fight
I was looking forward to this video until 3:16 & 3:49 which is when you fell I got the Video Essay Slop fault which is treating the audience like they cannot comprehend after you make a point by repeating the same statement multiple times after initially made. This really bogged down the quality of the video in my opinion
I wasn’t really trying to do that just put emphasis on how strong I think Feitan is. I get why for some people it can be annoying but for vsbattle videos I try to explain things as detailed as I can so people don’t misinterpret it
It’s an interesting theory but I’m personally more a fan of the idea they are all no names and randoms who rose to great heights due to their experiences
if killua lands a whirwind maybe feitan loses but i still believe feitan beats him with pain packer as i still believe he has more versions as phinks says this is one of them (edit) ummm he reminded me killua is a zoldyck and is genetically modified and plays with 50kg yoys, still think it'd be a high -diff fight for both
Unless we actually see what all of the variations of Pain Packer, we have no idea what they all could do. It would be a fallacy to assume that Feitan has a means to counter Killua's abilities just because Phinks says he has more techniques than Rising Sun.
I think one thing that we have to member is that feitan is basically a zoldyck. Why does everyone forget that this dude loves torture which is basically his ability. To love torture you have to have a very high pain tolerance which he does. Also all physical categories are a wash or go feitan. Base killua is not faster, stronger, or more durable than feitan
Unless you think Feitan has a version of Pain Packer that doesn't require him to suffer damage first, and activates instantly, I can't imagine why you think they would make a difference.
@@t-god2439 Can't imagine why you think high pain tolerance is a necessary pre-requisite to loving torture, nor do I understand why you think pain tolerance would matter. I also don't understand why you're arguing about base Killua, though there's some very definitive evidence that he's physically much stronger than Feitan. Namely,, he instant-kills officers repeatedly, while Phinks, who is several placements above Feitan, cannot.
I really don't like the idea that Phinks, Bonolenov, Shalnark, and Shizuku are just officer ant level in base. Shizuku I can get behind since she's not combat focused at all, but the other ones all got matchups that required them to use their ablities. Phinks and Bono got durable ants, and Shalnark got an already manipulated ant. Not that it really has anything to do with the video lol but I think you're kinda underestimating them.
I wish we got to see more of them to make me think that’s not true but sadly that’s literally the only fight most of them have. And it would be weird if those specific Officer ants are just way more durable and strong than every other Officer. Gon and Killua could take out most officers with basic punches, but this specific ant could take above Hisoka level punches without a scratch? He’s more durable than Chrollo? I find it very hard to believe especially given the ant hierarchy
@@Professor_Fiction I just think it's more like every officer ant is better in a different area. I wouldn't be surprised if some of them are more durable than even the strongest humans we know. But I guess we don't really have a way to know for sure.
Something else to consider that makes it weird, Feitan is much physically weaker than Phinks but he can damage Zazan. That officer that Phinks couldn’t even scratch was literally stated to be below Base Zazan. So why can Feitan clash blows with her when he’s rusty but Phinks can’t even scratch this lower ant?
Major flaw in your analysis: Killua's lightning needs to be charged. When he runs out, his lightning nen is limited. If he's blitzing around Feitan and shocking him, he'll eventually run out.
That’s true however Killua does also carry a taser with him to help recharge his aura supply. Godspeed also lasts quite a while on Pouf and in the succession war
Killua couldn't tale a phantom troupe member from dozens of meters away, on the third story of a building. Then could not escape the grasp of one moments later. Case closed.
Power scaling is almost impossible in HxH. You can tell Nen was an afterthought in the series and honestly, I think Togashi was developing it's concepts as he went along in the story. IF we do see the troop fight again, I would bet money they would get a silent nerf and not see Feitan's rising sun or even Benolenov's Jupiter move.
Featwise i agree but narratively the phantom troupe feel like a threat Gon and killua wouldn't be able to touch other than it's weakest members. I do guess making our leads go up against the ant king and his royal guard and the troupe is nothing to them
Here’s my only issue with that interpretation. Gon and Killua are hyped up as supernatural, insane prodigies, to the point they could even hurt someone like Pakunoda after they first learned Nen. The Chimera Ant arc for all intents and purposes(so far at least) represents the climax of their power progression. That is the climax of their greatest battles, and they obviously don’t get stronger in the Election Arc. I think it’s fair to believe that as main characters in their “final-ish” arc they’d be pretty relevant characters in Togashi’s eyes, even if they aren’t literal top tiers or anything
as a sequel to this video, could u do gon and killua versus the phantom troupe (alone and together as well). To show how they actually clear most of them and stop peoples glazing
Killua is simply way stronger than feitan, there is nothing feats wise to compare the two, the only argument for those that disagree might be narrative statements at best. The same goes for hisoka vs feitan, while hisoka can fight using his hatsu from the start feitan can only use his hatsu after he take damage, this means hisoka can win before even land a first hit just like he did machi, hisoka is on 100% power and full of tricks while feitan is at 60% at best without any resourses, it is not even fair to be honest
I swear there are only two types of people. Troupe glazers or Troupe haters. Killua definitely has the tools to defeat Feitan but that goes both ways. I'd say it's 50/50 but as of now, Feitan is the one with unknown potential. We know what Killua can do. We do not know everything what Feitan can do. So i'd give him a slight edge in this regard.
I do think Feitan has the capacity to win but I actually think Killua just has a good matchup for Feitan. They have comparable physical abilities but Feitan’s Nen ability gets hard countered by Godspeed and Thunderbolt. Pain Packer is literally Nen infused with pain and hatred and Godspeed will auto counter you if your aura has malice inside of it.
@Professor_Fiction Well, this is the way i see it. Scenario A: Killua Strikes First: If Killua uses Godspeed early, he could overwhelm Feitan with his superior speed and paralyze him with electricity. Feitan might struggle to counter this, as Killua could stay out of range. Scenario B: Feitan Endures: If Feitan manages to endure Killua’s initial attacks and activate Pain Packer, the fight would turn heavily in his favor. Killua likely lacks the defenses to survive Feitan’s Rising Sun. The outcome depends on the circumstances of the fight. If Killua can avoid prolonged combat and exploit Feitan's impulsiveness, he has a chance. However, Feitan’s experience and deadly Pain Packer ability make him a strong contender in a longer battle plus we do not know what else is in Feitans arsenal. It's a hot debate and honestly you can pick whichever side you want.
@@BengNinjaI pick feitan everytime especially at this point. If your hatsu is a direct representation of who you are as a character. Then feitan’s hatsu is literally torture. He inflicts it and he endures it. So why wouldn’t he have high durability and will power? Makes no sense for him to have that hastu without those things. Especially when we take into account his opponent.
@@t-god2439Feitan's durability us lower than chimera ant enhancer like rammot which killua one shooted. Unless you have actual evidence other than your headcannon, killua annihilates.
I honestly feel like the only actual strong members of the troupe were chrollo, Illumi, hisoka, and maybe uvogin the rest of them have cool abilities and some have aura but in terms of raw combat strength are mid in the verse maybe like zushi they are like one in 10k talents. While chrollo, illumi, and hisoka are probably 1 in 100-500k and gon and killua are 1 in a million or rarer than that. I’d say the zoldycks, neteros, and freecs are the strongest nen bloodlines we know of until the succession contest where tserridnich has the most potential of any human we’ve seen, which is closer to 1 in a billion.
Huge W bro , finally someone who know his stuff and don’t push the « he is a phantom troupe member so he is stronger » narrative Also I like how you brought up the stats because people keep ignoring this , it’s not everything in Nen combat but it’s still important
@ keep crying and liking your own comment lil bro you have ZERO ARGUMENTS Killua dogwalk the Jon jones victim , cry about it dance wrap you around and take a shower
1.Killua isn’t relative to feitan in physical strength at all. It’s states that him and Gon are legit less than half as strong as Knuckle and Shoot, so unless you think Knuckle and Shoot are around as physically strong as Hisoka than that just isn’t possible 2.Also the phantom troupes showings versus the ants wasn’t bad(except for Bono) if Phinks couldn’t damage that ant with a regular punch that just means anybody weaker than him wouldn’t be able to either🤷🏾♂️ 3.Killuas Godspeed showings are decent but not as impressive as the fandom try’s to make it. First off him speed blitzing Youpi isn’t that impressive because Youpi was never shown to be fast. He also speed blitzed a Pouf who gave most of his power to Meurem and then split himself into multiple clones which makes him way weaker. So we really don’t know where Killua stand in terms of speed. 4.For the sake of argument I’ll grant that Godspeed Killua can speed blitz Feitan but it honestly wouldn’t matter. Because Killua wouldn’t be able to physically over power Feitans nen defenses and after Godspeed runs out, Killua dies.
Remember when killua couldn't even stab Machi with his nails and all she did was contract her muscles? Feitan I'd just as or if not stronger than her, sure killua had leveled up but hes not one shotting feitan.
The fact he could damage Machi after only learning the most basic Nen abilities is more of an impressive thing than not. Machi was bleeding after Killua’s attack. He’s only gotten much much stronger since then. I don’t think he’s one shotting Feitan but he is stronger than he id
Feiten still wins lmao. 1.) Skill argument makes negative sense. Just because Killua was trained in ASSASSINATION doesn’t make him a better hand to hand fighter. Nor does his training (not mastery, just apprenticeship) in kung fu make him a better hand to hand fighter either. And Feiten doesn’t fight in hand to hand, he uses swordsmanship. Comparing their fighting styles is entirely baseless. If anything, Feiten shows better skill in terms of nen due to being capable of using Ko mid fight. U also can’t tangibly prove that Feiten wasn’t training since an age as young as killua. Assuming killua is more skilled is just entirely baseless. 2.) Pouf’s cells aren’t what makes him weak to killua, it’s the durability of his cells. Unlike youpi, pouf had to search the outside of the nuclear fallout. Because he didn’t have the durability to withstand the heat like youpi does. His cells would burn from that, unlike youpi’s. Same logic. It makes negative sense for that to be an AP feat because Killua himself admits that his lightning attacks (thunderbolt and lightning palm) are stunning attacks. 3.) His feats on officer ants should ALL be taken with a grain of salt. He one shot paralyzed rammot. Ikalgo has 0 impressive feats. And dart twins were both offguard when Killua attacked. We see that Rammot’s Ten was enough to damage Killua through his ten showing that their nen is at least relative, if not in favor of Rammot. Killua only one shot Rammot when he was paralyzed, and after he enhanced his nen with Ren. Not all ants of the same rank have similar stats. Meleoron said he was about as strong as a peon. Welfin said that he can’t take pain. Cheetu with thousands of attacks wouldn’t be able to put dents in either morel or knuckle. Consistently, the ants are shown to very in power. Rammot might have been strong for an officer ant (no tangible scale to say he was though), but even with Ren, he couldn’t knock out a nenless colt with a single blow. Much less with Ten, which is the only form of Rammot that Killua scales to. And that’s his best AP feat. On the paralyzed rammot. 4.) Feiten’s on morel and knov’s level. Just read their feats and it’s easy to see. Morel was struggling with, but in the end handled Leol using strategy, with ease. Feiten, while rusty, was handling base Zazan with ease. He wasn’t being touched by her, and was slowly improving his stats. Knov, in zetsu, went insane from Pouf’s En. Not an attack, just En. Feiten on the other hand, in Zetsu, got hit by emitted aura. An attack, filled with malicious aura, and literally walked it off. With similar enough feats, they should be considered on the same tier, even if u think Feiten is weaker than both of them. 5.) Feiten has better combat speed feats than Killua. Killua’s feats against the RG are just hax feats because he doesn’t scale in reaction speed to whirlwind. Whirlwind which is very easy to counter for someone like Feiten. Speed of lightning only improves his movement speed, and while it may be good for a single attack, it won’t do much past that, especially against someone with better combat speed feats than him. 6.) Just because Feiten activates pain packer doesn’t mean Killua is instantly running away. Kalluto, with the same training as Killua, didn’t immediately think of running away. The troupe only did so because they previously tried to watch the attack go off. There’s literally no reason Killua would have to run away at the first sight of Ren lmao. Each time Killua uses Thunderbolt, or Lightning palm, it reduces the amount of electrical charge he has. He can’t use it forever. Since Feiten scales to base Zazan (who scales above nenless colt, who Ren enhanced Rammot scales marginally above), he absolutely can defend himself while paralyzed with just nen defenses and take minimal damage. So stunning him won’t change a thing, whirlwind is countered, speed of lightning will only help in a single attack, chasing, or running away. That’s his entire hatsu that’s just useless. Meanwhile Feiten’s rising sun may be slow, but again, there’s 0 reason Killua has to instantly run away. There’s 0 way for him to know it’s an AOE attack either. There’s legitimately nothing Killua has experienced like rising sun. He doesn’t have the experience needed to adapt to a fight with a veteran nen user yet.
I think what he meant for godspeed immediately reacting to malicious aura is “whirlwind” not “godspeed” as a whole. Whirlwind would immediately react to rising sun, but that is if godspeed even last that long into the fight. Godspeed lasted seconds when he used whirlwind on youpi albeit he used lightning bolt before but that wouldnt have had diminish his electric aura significantly. Whirlwind consume nen way more than speed of lightning for some reason. Maybe attacking rather than just enchancing himself consume significantly more aura. Since we only saw speed of lighting for running primarily thats prob the case. Ultimately, killua has to manage his “charge” a lot making him “stomps” feitan very ridiculous imo. This video only highlights killuas feat, the pouf clone was prob extremely weak for it to get burned by killuas lighting when it only has stunned other characters and he completely glossed over the fact that killua got damaged a shitton by ikalgo and the fish twins which are merely officer ants. Killua glaze is crazyy
@ Even if whirlwind reacts to rising sun, there’s 0 proof that it can program him to run away or throw a lightning bolt. The only thing he’s done in whirlwind is attack after a trigger is set off. And yeah, Killua glaze in the HxH community is pretty in fashion, and while I think glazing the PT is also rlly popular, saying that Killua loses to Feiten isn’t glaze if the evidence is there. Feiten 1v1’d a squad leader who is self taught in terms of nen, learned nen contracts, and advanced applications of nen, and won with ease. Compared to Killua who’s ten is consistently on par with average and MAYBE above average officers. I’m not a slanderous person, and I like watching his videos just to see his views, but MANY of his videos are very skewed and biased. Like Jogo vs Mahito, when he says that Shibuya yuji is stronger than Naobito (IDK if u know anything abt JJK, sorry if this is confusing). When Naobito is likely who Gojo was referring to when he said that Kusukabe was only the strongest grade 1 outside of the 3 big families, and he was able to easily break through Dagon’s water shield, when nanami who yuji was compared to at the time couldn’t even scratch the water shield or Dagon.
1. Killua objectively speaking has more tangible, measurable feats and accolades of skill. If you had two fighters in the MMA, one dude who has the highest status in numerous disciplines and consistently beats physically stronger opponents using skill, then another guy who has no combat record, you would assume the first guy is more skilled. We can only make inferences off the information we know. Killua’s training involved numerous killing techniques and martial arts styles, killing techniques kinda make you a better fighter, able to exploit weak points in the body. Also, Killua is also able to use Ko and even Ryu, as is Gon 2. They are stunning attacks and come with a burning effect because that’s how electricity works. Youpi didn’t just instantly freeze when hit by Killua he cried out in pain because the electricity caused him pain. And overcoming the durability of Killua’s cells is a feat, he still needs to get through the Nen Pouf uses to enhance his body 3. Rammot was paralyzed because he was terrified by Killua’s overwhelming aura. Ikalgo is still an officer ant, who’s blow dart gun actually hurt a Squadron Leader. By your logic, Zazan has no impressive feats, her only fight is with Feitan, who has no feats before this. They only fight each other and they are both featless. The only reason we can even scale Feitan high is because of the ant hierarchy. Rammot was damaging a paralyzed, Nen needle nerfed Killua. Also, why are you assuming Rammot was only in a state of Ten? He actually learned how to use Gyo and possibly Ryu almost immediately after learning Nen. Once again, if not all ants of the same rank have equal stats, Feitan’s fight with Zazan means nothing because Zazan has no feats or status. She’s just a squadron leader. Killua actually has better stats in the databooks than Zazan which is literally the only comparison between them. 4. I think Killua is above Morel as well, although Morel probably has a good matchup on Killua in a fight while Feitan has a really bad matchup on Killua in a fight. Also, now you’re equating Zazan and Leol when you said a moment ago the ants vary in strength. We have no evidence Zazan is as strong as Leol. Leol actually got training from Pitou and Pouf which Zazan never got cuz she went solo 5. Killua does scale to his Whirlwind Reaction speed, when he’s using Whirlwind. It’s an ability he can use and when he uses it he’s much faster than Feitan. Feitan who, has no feats of speed outside of blitzing the also featless Zazan and the featless Kalluto. Also, why would Feitan counter Whirlwind exactly? He hasn’t shown any battle IQ feats ever outside of exploiting a very conventional Blindspot weakness. 6. Kalluto is using the Phantom Trouoe as a means to get more powerful. He wants to see the Troupe’s abilities and learn. Killua in a combat setting, would not be interested in seeing Pain Packer. He also doesn’t literally need to run away. He can use any of his paralyzing abilities which work on people way stronger than Feitan, like Youpi. Once again, no evidence Zazan is stronger than any form of Colt. You said yourself, the ants vary in strength. To claim Zazan with Nen is above Colt without Nen, you have to assume at least some relativity base to base your which applies to all the ants
@@Professor_Fiction 1.) Killua objectively has more feats and accolades ON PANEL. That’s like saying he’s more skilled than ging, beyond, and Kurapika even. Just because he has more shown than others doesn’t make him more skilled than them. You physically can’t prove that his assassination training, which is just killing with minimal risk, and kung fu apprenticeship, which makes him a novice at it btw, make him superior to Feiten in swordsmanship. Especially when Feiten was more than likely a part of the Kurta clan massacre, since he’s one of the founding members of the troupe. The Kurta clan that uvogin believed were strong. On top of the years of training he’s had in Nen that Killua has only been aware of for a very short amount of time. Killua being able to use Ko doesn’t mean he can use it mid combat. Gon, before having the information that leaving himself open made him stronger, could only use Ko by making himself extraordinarily vulnerable. Feiten and Zeno are the only examples of ppl using Ko mid combat without leaving themselves in very vulnerable positions (outside of the obvious vulnerability of Zetsu everywhere except where the aura is focused). If I’m not mistaken on the GI timeline, it took Gon and Killua months to learn to use Gyo against all the monsters at the beginning of the arc. And Ko is far more advanced than Gyo, and risky. And feiten’s combat speed feats are superior. Covering impressive distances, performing a dozen feints, and maneuvering from awkward positions in a significantly small amount of time while rusty. Compared to Killua who rlly doesn’t have combat speed feats at all. He was blitzed by shoot and was having difficulties tracking knuckle’s movements. 2.) Pain ≠ Damage. You can stun someone with pain and still do minimal damage. Cut open someone’s finger, and they’re screaming out in pain despite very minimal damage actually being done. Same with tasing someone. Youpi screaming out in pain doesn’t change that it’s still a stunning attack, and still doesn’t deal damage. The only time it did was against Pouf, who couldn’t enter the nuclear fallout because he would’ve died from it at FULL POWER, when youpi could walk through it for minutes looking for Meruem. It’s not an AP feat, it’s a matchup argument. The only person that can have their cells burnt by Killua’s electricity is Pouf. 3.) Rammot was only using Ten because each time that Gyo or Ryu is used to enhance attacks or defense, the amplification of aura is seen. When Killua was running through the ants in the forest, when Chrollo kicked Zeno towards the end of their fight, when Gon was fighting the bomber, etc. Rammot never showed himself enhancing his aura. And yes, he was paralyzed by Killua’s aura, it literally doesn’t change the fact that the feat is on a paralyzed Rammot. And the nen needle is just a confidence nerf, it doesn’t change his strength, durability, or speed. It just makes him subconsciously retreat when there’s unknown risks or known inferiority to the opponent. Ikalgo’s rifle damaged Welfin who admitted he physically can’t absorb damage. He has weak durability and endurance. And it’s true, there’s no real knowledge of where Zazan sits in ant hierarchy in terms of power. Except for the fact that she’s self taught and knows more nen applications than most of the trained ants. She can emit raw aura, she knew about Ko (the exclamation when Feiten used it being her thought bubble), and she knew about Nen vows. She was actually strong enough to rear in her own colony unlike the rest of the squadron leaders. I assumed relativity to Leol simply because of how advanced Leol’s hatsu was, and how strong it is. Because Zazan without a doubt has better Nen fundamentals than any other squadron leader. 4.) Morel is objectively above Killua. He handled cheetu and Leol 1v1. He went up against Pouf at 30% power and pushed him into a corner enough to make himself vulnerable with an “invincible” hatsu ability. Knuckle and shoot believe they’re inferior to morel, and they’re at worst relative to Gon and Killua. 5.) No he doesn’t. It’s a hax ability. That’s like saying that Netero scales to the AP of 0 hand when he’s using it, but he physically can’t output that damage without the ability. Making it hax. Or like saying that anyone in JJK scales to the domains they create. Like no, a hax ability is a hax ability. And I’ve already talked about how Whirlwind is easily counterable by Feiten. With knowledge of Nobunaga’s abilities, and its similarities to Whirlwind, his naturally suspicious and cautious mindset, with examples like refusing to eat food others have touched, and his experience in fighting with and against nen users for years as opposed to just the short amount of time that Killua and Gon have been fighting with and against them. And to say he has no BIQ feats when he instantly deduced that zazan was hiding a weapon (her stinger) under her dress, and utilizes tools like the bolt in the edge of his umbrella when Zazan caught his sword is just downplay. 6.) Prove that paralyzing him will stop an ability that doesn’t require movement… Paralyzing an opponent doesn’t just make them nonexistent. It just stops their movement. Pain packer is just the conjuration of the suit, and rising sun is just transmuted aura into heat. At what point is movement required for either of those actions established? Are you assuming that Killua’s lightning acts like chain jail and just deactivates an opponent’s nen? And the point of bringing up kalluto is to show that not knowing an ability makes him vulnerable to AOE attacks simply because he doesn’t know how wide its range is. Killua won’t know instantly that rising sun would cover a massive range, so like what exactly is he going to do when he finds out? Speed of lightning maybe, but you’d have to prove that he can physically escape rising sun AFTER it’s be activated and not before like the troupe did. The only person that was caught up in rising sun that we know of is evolved Zazan who physically couldn’t move as she was burned from the inside out.
@@bromous1446 Killua has more feats than Feitan. Also Whirlwind and nobunaga are different, you don't have combat feats to suggest Feitan figure out something against Whirlwind .Togashi put zazan at 18/30 on the power charts, end of chimera ant killua at 23/30 and Hisoka/chrollo at 25/30. Feitan struggled against zazan who is that far behind killua. Killua has better feats on his side . If killua can defeat a chimera ant enhancer like rammot. He can speedblitzes and combo kill Feitan Rammot without nen is durable enough to tank janjaken of Gon's enhancement
Feitan struggled against a random chimera ant. A Royal Chimera Ant struggled against Killua (even if it was for some seconds). Killua just needs some seconds with Godspeed and Feitan is gone
@@hugoreyes7185 @hugoreyes7185 faitan did not struggle against a random chimera ant faitan was beating the shit out of a chimera ant also Killua wasn’t do Jack shit to a royal guard give faitan pain packer and it’s ggs in faitans favour
Ok uvogin wins but gon would one shot him if he lands a jajaken Killua believed him and gon could have done something if not defeat a nerfed and injured pitou. Killua still having this hisoka level power level scaling in his brain but he could now control it. Pitou also immediately went fp to try and kill gon in one shot. This would mean, she considered gon more of a threat than kite, who she fodderized while playing around 😭. This is a STRONGER pitou too 😂
Uvogin wins but the fight would basically come down to who one shots the other I don't see Gon surviving a Big bang and I don't see Uvogin tanking a Jajaken since even Morel thought he was going to die if he got hit
@@Alkhemia8 Morel wasn't an enhancer. Uvo could probably tank one at best. Tho it would leave him with wounded. It's really all about who gets hit first.
Killua has more feats than Feitan. Also Whirlwind and nobunaga are different, you don't have combat feats to suggest Feitan figure out something against Whirlwind .Togashi put zazan at 18/30 on the power charts, end of chimera ant killua at 23/30 and Hisoka/chrollo at 25/30. Feitan struggled against zazan who is that far behind killua. Killua has better feats on his side . If killua can defeat a chimera ant enhancer like rammot. He can speedblitzes and combo kill Feitan Rammot without nen is durable enough to tank janjaken of Gon's enhancement
@@kenanOWHonestly Killua would probably do fine until he runs out of juice. Illumi still probably has superior stamina and enough stats and tricks to survive. Killua would need to focus on survival and escape. With prep time Illumi probably still stomps. Killua probably 1 or 2 power ups away from ez win against big bro.
@@jackrichards1908 we don’t have enough feats from Illumi and idk what’s stopping killua from using Godspeed and doing damage where Illumi can’t do anything we just don’t have any Illumi feats
@@jackrichards1908 what are the statements? Narrative I can see but only narrative we have is killua being scared but that can just be because he has alluka and or he has trauma from him I’m just saying we don’t have enough evidence
If it’s adult gon, he nukes the place with a full power jajaken killing everyone 💀 Now if it’s chimera ant gon(pre adult), then he beats every member of the phantom troupe except hisoka, illumi, and chrollo. Uvogin vs gon is up in the air as whoever lands the first hit kills
@@Zeno1781Bruh. Phinks, Feitan and Uvogin would demolish Gon in a fight(pre adult) easily. Gon couldn’t even beat Knucle, and Knuckle is definitely not on the level of those guys
@@QinerxJones wym says by who? He literally paralyzed a Royal Guard with his base Thunderbolt. Feitan would get paralyzed whenever he’s hit by that and won’t be able to activate Pain Packer
I think we gotta Understand the foreshadowing of Killua & Gon is that they would be on par with Netero or even surpass him if they reach their full potential. Killua at this age is already top 5 fastest in the verse even if he can't maintain his lightning form for long . Killua is far stronger than his York New self. I would also love to hear how strong Kalluto /Illumi believes Killua to be in comparison to the Troupe members
Killua has more feats than Feitan. Also Whirlwind and nobunaga are different, you don't have combat feats to suggest Feitan figure out something against Whirlwind .Togashi put zazan at 18/30 on the power charts, end of chimera ant killua at 23/30 and Hisoka/chrollo at 25/30. Feitan struggled against zazan who is that far behind killua. Killua has better feats on his side . If killua can defeat a chimera ant enhancer like rammot. He can speedblitzes and combo kill Feitan Rammot without nen is durable enough to tank janjaken of Gon's enhancement .
I think kilua is stronger becose icalgo for int is abale to dame a shaypu amp welfin i think welfin one of the weker swuadorn leders but he is sitl a squadron eledaer tha tmeans tha ticalgo is one of thee strogens oficers one soedien him is i think beter than fietna feats how wood just analeit peorel how are at best slthily steoger than icalgo
The thing is Phanton Troupe is developed to be an assassin/ crime organization t. There not running around fighting top-tiers like Gon &Killuia because that’s not what there goal is. There characters aren’t made to be power scaled in a normal sense
@ that is true. My point tho isn’t that it only applies to the phantom troupe more so that they never really faced anyone significant enough( we don’t have accurate scaling for their full potential) to really matter unlike Killua what at certain points actually faced some higher ups in the HxH verse
Godspeed gives Killua an intiatial action advantage that you can't beat by "being stronger". In this regard, Killua could move a fair bit before Feitan's nerves would send signals to the different parts of his body to start moving. If Killua is within 10 feet of Feitan at the start of the battle, yes, Killua takes his head off of his shoulders before he moves. If Feitan and Killua are like 20-40 feet away, Feitan dawns his armor and I think Killua loses. Feitan would not do well in the fight initially, but Killua could not kill him before Godspeed faded. Afterwhich, Killua is fucked. No Godspeed versus someone who now has him beat in every speed category and worst of all, if Killua managed to do significant damage to Feitan he can BTFO Killua via Pain Packer. Not that I see this as a loss for Killua at all. He can win under certain conditions and he has so much more growing to do. Give Killua 3 more years and the result will be VERY different.
@@Javetts Why do you think the armor would be effective against piercing/slashing, and why do you think he's capable of donning it instantly when he didn't before? Also, from a greater distance, Killua could just disable Feitan with a lightning bolt.
Saying Feitan would instantly dawn the armor is weird seeing as he only has ever put the armor on to use Pain Packer. No matter the starting conditions of the fight unless Feitan has full knowledge on Killua he’d have no reason to act so optimally. And this also assumes Killua would just begin the battle in Godspeed which he doesn’t have to do either, it’s just a tool in his arsenal. He also has Lightning Palm and Thunderbolt which act as other means to stun Feitan and prevent Pain Packer from coming out
@ base Killua is very underrrated , the copium has to stop yall can’t admit gon and Killua started to close the gap with top tiers with each arc they littered trained three arc in a row 💀 and the fact that you had to take Godspeed away show how dangerous he is with it
Silva one shot him, Zeno one shot him,Illumi, Hisoka and Killua also stronger than him. Feitan is weak compared to Zoldyck family and all Top of the verse.
@@DrnoobzHermida for real these fan boys are delusional. Feitan was sad when zazan didn't do more damage... the man is a master torturer lol... killuas little wimpy hits would = nuke
Buuuuuuuuut what if feitan is durable enough to survive and fast enough to activate, he could activate while being paralyzed and what if it's impossible to run away from his attacks like domain expansion
Killua has more feats than Feitan. Also Whirlwind and nobunaga are different, you don't have combat feats to suggest Feitan figure out something against Whirlwind .Togashi put zazan at 18/30 on the power charts, end of chimera ant killua at 23/30 and Hisoka/chrollo at 25/30. Feitan struggled against zazan who is that far behind killua. Killua has better feats on his side . If killua can defeat a chimera ant enhancer like rammot. He can speedblitzes and combo kill Feitan Rammot without nen is durable enough to tank janjaken of Gon's enhancement .
Painpacker/rising sun is no use on killua. Unless killua stands still and watch Feitan do it. Killua's godspeed is too quick to get caught under PP/RS. Members of phantom troupe escaped it by simply running away lmao. What would be more interesting is Killua vs Hisoka, electricity vs gum/rubber. - rubber is non- conductive but electricity can burn rubber and gum. -they can counter each other depending on the implementation - hisoka can cover himself with bungee gum. Is killua capable of burning it and trapping hisoka with his own gum? - hisoka can plant bungee gum on killua body surface, is killua capable of burning the gum to severe the connection? - can killua overcome the need for recharging?
Silva one shot him, Zeno one shot him,Illumi and Killua also stronger than him. Nanika one shot him. Feitan is weak compared to Zoldyck family. Because they are that Family.
3:40 Feitan isnt immune to pain packer. A lot of transmuters have to tap into conguration to conjure clothing to protect themselves from the substance or effect they transmute aura to if it is harmful.
For example, the bomber had to use his own aura to protect his hands from his little flower explosions. Making them weaker. If he conjured gloves out of aura, he'd be able to make much more power little flower explosions
Knuckle high key is a hard counter to feitan. he doesn't do damage and will seal his nen if he goes bankrupt. the question is if his output is higher than feitan or not. that's the deciding factor but his counter type ability is relly much hard countered here.
Nah becuase from what we have seen I’d argue that feitan’s pure physical abilities. Outclass knuckle so bad it’s sad
@@t-god2439incorrect. Fatan has terrible feats
@@Wavedashnoir speed wise feitan is faster and he uses a sword so I soon see how I’m incorrect
@t-god2439 prove he's faster. (He's not)💀
@@t-god2439 the same sword that snaps on zazans neck?
Still on team Killua
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I appreciate the inclusion of the "even if Feitan survives Killua's initial onslaught to activate Pain Packer", but let's be real. He doesn't survive that. Very few humans in the series would. Even Uvogin was getting damaged by the fodder beasts. Meanwhile Killua instantly decapitated Rammot, a talented enhancer officer. Forget 8 hits. Feitan dies in one.
I've been making these same points for years, and never bothered to include the car speed comparison lol. Especially since Shalnark was practically crippled while running away, and they had to navigate tunnels rather than just run away in a straight line, and STILL had time to get away. The glazing of Rising Sun in this community is unbelievable.
@@Hissingace110 @Hissingrqce110 no uvogian was foddrizing the beasts also faitan does survive that also he beat zazan who was way stronger than rommot also your weren’t making points all your doing is fanboying also the glazing of Godspeed is insane also faitan oneshots Killua and if your gonna disagree let’s debate about it
@@DrnoobzHermidabro how does feitan one shot killua, and a weaker killua then Godspeed one shot more durable characters then Feitan
I find it funny that you people think you know better than the author. I think Togashi intentionally made the comparisons vague. You might THINK Killua kills in 1, but there is no one to judge. The only bridge here is Hisoka. Chrollo fought Hisoka who fought Gon and Gon and Killua have relative capabilities. I don't think Killua is beating Hisoka and Hisoka and Faitan are relatively even with Hisoka having the advantage.
At best, you can only guess...just like everybody else lol Better to not be dumb and pass off guesses as facts.
@LeoBeastmode There's a lot more bridging than that. For example, Silva instant-killed a squadron leader. Seemingly with the same attack that Chrollo was able to survive while fighting both Silva and Zeno simultaneously. Meanwhile, Feitan was on par with a squadron leader.
@@LeoBeastmode How are gon and killua relative? Thoroughlt the serie, killua has always been superior.
thank you professor. the phantom troupe are like the most glazed characters in hxh. People just dont like admitting that phantom troupe gon and killua are reaching the top tiers of power in hxh
@AhemedHussian-ju6xd sorry lil bro but your wrong Killua is the most glazed here also faitan beats killua
@@DrnoobzHermidaidk how that’s so hard for people to believe lol
@ it’s not whether it’s hard to believe or not it’s just that faitan solos Killua
Bruh they are ranked as an A class threat. Higher than the chimera ants that were ranked a B class threat
@michaelabreu700 The phantom troupe barely defeated a captain and a few officers. For Feitan to win, he has to survive a initial onslaught by godspeed. Do you honestly think he would?
I agree with multiple points but the fanbase does definitely overrate Godspeed massively mostly because they overlook its glarring drawbacks. When used purely for direct combat like he did against Youpi it has a duration of at best a few seconds before he runs out of energy and he has to recharge. Of course that still makes it strong but not unbeatably so like people like to believe it is. If his oppenent survives that burst then Killua is left fighting without a hatsu unless he can escape to a source of electricity. That's why he only ever opted to use it to flee during the Election Arc. When factoring that in the fight could go either way.
I agree it doesn’t make him unbeatable, I just think it’s enough to beat Feitan
1: That was Killua's first time using it. After that first time, he uses it dramatically longer, including for combat, and even states "I can go all night".
2: I have never understood why anybody thinks this matters.
Let's nerf it into the ground and say Godspeed only lasts 10 seconds. How in the hell is Feitan surviving an entire 10 seconds against Godspeed? As stated, the lightning bolt (which Feitan doesn't have a prayer of avoiding) stunned Youpi (infinitely more durable than Feitan) for long enough that Knuckle (dramatically slower than KIllua) could land 8 hits. Killua can instant-kill people that are MUCH more durable than Feitan, and in fact, that's his fighting style. Most of his "fights" in the series consist of Killua blitzing his opponent and ending the fight. How does anybody imagine that Feitan is going to survive even one hit against Killua, let alone a stunned Feitan surviving 8+? He'd have his head and heart removed and crushed before he even realized the fight started.
@@Hissingace110another thing that people tend to miss is that "Godspeed" is divided into 2 separate abilities, "speed of lightning" and "whirlwind".
"Whirlwind" puts his body on autopilot, while "speed of lightning" he's still in full control. He used "whirlwind" against Youpi, the automated aura would explain why it drains quickly. However "speed of lightning" is still more than enough speed to blitz any member of the troupe, and he has been shown to use that for extended periods of time.
@@Professor_Fiction I feel like Feitan is just not that strong stat wise, he has a powerful nen ability in pain packer, but I doubt he would ever be able to hit anyone like Chrollo/Hisoka with it. Given the fact that his ko enhanced attack failed to damage Zazan I think it's fair to say that Feitan without the use of pain packer has pretty unimpressive ap.
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His Ko attack no damaging Zanzan isn’t an anti feat
Zanzan was the strongest and most skilled ant in Nen after the King and royal guards
yes and if Feitan dies instantly pain packer can't activate unless he has port-mortem nen which I really really hope he has then they both die.
@smittypwnz no faitan beats Killua
@@DrnoobzHermidaonly in your dream buddy , Killua dogwalk
@@DrnoobzHermidayou cant give a single argument as to why feitan wins
@ nope only in your dreams
@@DrnoobzHermida you are the one who keep dreaming , 1000 copium 0 arguments
Too bad Kurapika slams these frauds 😭
They arent even frauds kurapika is just *him*
They're such frauds, Kurapika has to sacrifice an hour of his life every second to fight them lol
The original phantom troupe members are all Hisoka’s level according to Killua and they had to hide and even run away when their cover was blown despite concealing their aura. They caught up to Gon and Killua(two experienced yet one in a million talent users of nen, one of them just fought Hisoka at the tournament). Hisoka is more efficient and a smarter fighter with the properties of his bungee gum(a complicated ability to deal with even for enhancers and manipulators that are stronger than Hisoka), that is why he killed some of them so easily “off guard”. If Phinx is stronger than feitan in arm wrestling, he is more than likely stronger in the enhancer category because the phantom troupe literally use nen to amplify their arm strength in the anime and manga to compare themselves with exception of Uvogin who has the best physical stats normally without nen. Also let’s stop limiting these guys, Feitan is clearly walking in his rising Sun ability meaning he can withstand it. If the other phantom troupe are steering clear of the rising Sun just like they hold their ears when Uvogin screams then Hisoka would have to move as well. In a one on one fight, nobody around and nobody interfering even in Godspeed mode, Killua would struggle and definitely potentially lose against the strongest possible Feitan could be while fresh.
I’m not denying that Pain Packer wouldn’t defeat Killua. The problem is that Killua’s combination of abilities and skills is a hard counter for Feitan on top of just being a very powerful and skilled Nen user. Also, Killua never said all the Phantom Troupe members were equal to Hisoka. That was only Machi and Nobunaga and he never said they were on the same level
@@Professor_Fiction Is Killua a hard counter? We're measuring his godspeed against the only fighter he used it against: Youpi, someone who Shoot dodged for a whole minute so not the fastest. And his best durability feats are against Palm. Everyone else he pretty much dodged or ran away from. Killua is great, but he didn't take out any formidable Chimera Ant officers. Killua would be cooked against a foe with any decent amount of speed, offense and knowledge of nen.
The foes Killua tend to beat seem similar to the ones the phantom troupe are faced with: fodder they outmatch or surprise attack.
@@LeoBeastmodeActually shoot didn't dodge youpi, he was stalling and getting killed seconds by seconds
Shoot didn’t last a minute, he lasted about 20ish seconds I believe and that was only because he literally pushed himself to his limits. He kept on taking lethal attacks but didn’t care because of his new resolve. It’s also very likely this new resolve made his own Nen stronger. All in all, he only managed to hit Youpi a single time in that period. He’s blatantly much faster than people like Morel who can fight Squadron Leader Ants like Morel, Knuckle and Shoot, as well as obviously being above Squadron Leader ants due to blitzing 2 Royal guards. Comparatively, Feitan fought Base Form Zazan and only managed to hit her and do damage one time. And yes, the ants Killua fought are the same ones Phinks and Bonolenov fougnt. The difference being, Killua can take them out with nothing but brute force while most of the Troupe needed their Nen abilities
@Professor_Fiction you are right. Feitan's durability I also lower than chimera ant enhancer like rammot which killua one shooted.
There’s people who think feitan would win? Did they watch the show?
To put this into perspective. Zazan has a power score of 18/30 and Cheetu a 17/30. We all know how Silva and Zeno fodderized Cheetu, which would most likely mean that they would low to no diff Zazan as well. Feitan's feats against Zazan is pretty unimpressive aside from his pain packer. End of Chimera ant arc Killua has a score of 23/30 which trumps Zazan's. Feitan is Killua victim period. Now granted, I do not believe the databook is 100 percent accurate even though it's approved by Togashi himself, but the stats should give us a ballpark idea of where these characters fall in terms of power.
Cheetu is probably just weaker specifically with low defense. Why do you think he went back to the king? Even Leol ran away once he got too much heat. At worst, you could say Zazan just had uniquely strong defense, and at best she probably was quite a bit more formidable than Cheetu. I bet Killua could probably low-diff Cheetu too, but he'd be chipping away forever trying to do damage to Zazan because his damage doesn't even touch Gon's, let alone Feitan's.
@@LeoBeastmode Again, I would refer to the databook instead of headcanon. Sure Zazan probably had good defense, but to say that then means Killua would scale below Zazan is just pure speculation. Killua scales 5 points higher than Zazan, which is significantly higher. The fact is Godspeed Killua has more than enough ap to kill Feitan whereas in no world would Feitan be able to land pain packer on Killua. It's not close at all.
@@Moonmi747the databook is not cannon...
@@mgkaotic Approved by Togashi himself... How are you this confident in being wrong.
@@Moonmi747 because of how things have evolved since it came out.. Besides HxH is not DBZ, those stats are meaningless in a nen battle.
"well he can just run away" would make every speedster ever unbeatable
I think the point is run out of the blast area, then just run back and finish him off. The only effect pain packer having is reducing Feitans nen reserves in that scenario.
@@TheBlueKio every speedster can just run out of range and run back in when the enemy has to sleep and gets to no diff em
@@gnoomlordidk why your being hyperbolic all this "running away" is just dodging the fight can still continue once an aoe attack expires this not an argument.
@@ye7625 running like 2 km away is not just dodging brother
@@gnoomlord it is though if the attack itself is 2km please tell me how one would dodge it without moving 2km. How do you even define dodging without moving bruh.
It’s all fun and games until Godspeed is one of Feitans pain packer abilities
Lol
Real😂😂
Been saying this forever. Killua is on a different level now with god speed than he was in York new. He got rid of his nen needle and shouldn’t be scared of the phantom troupe anymore. He definitely solos everyone now. Tbh I’m not even sure if even chrollo will be able to do anything against him. No amount of prep time can go against killuas pure speed.
@@jelloisok @jelloisok Killua ain’t shit what are you smoking? So your telling he solos mereum, nanika and faitan? Get outta here with the needle bullshit he is still fodder without it and one little amount of prep time could go against Killuas Godspeed also faitan oneshots killua and his godspeed
@@DrnoobzHermidaI think when he says everyone he’s referring to the phantom troupe
So that means that Killua has surpassed Zeno, Illumi and Silva right. Because if he’s a better fighter than Chrollo then that means he’s the strongest Zoldyck. Which obviously isn’t true
@@DrnoobzHermida what animation said fool. I mean the phantom troupe
@@exoticrule3304 I do actually believe he’s pretty much on par with all of them. If not just barely slightly weaker.
I completely agree W vid tired of people saying Gon and Killua are below the phantom troupe in base
Gon still is
@@aceclover758 how
@@sebtw8918 @sebtw8918 no your delusional also Killua gets oneshotted by faitan
@@aceclover758 nope only Killua also faitan oneshots killua
@@DrnoobzHermidagon > literally anyone in hxh who can use nen
On the real, I'm gonna need to hire you. As my attorney.😅 i'm halfway, not joking.
Exactly, I don't even like feitan but this is disgusting.
@@jamaulwinston490wym
Great video man. Personally I don’t think killua could beat zazan. I don’t even think gons rock would kill her seeing how Feitans ko did zero damage to her. Then feitan one shot her effortlessly with pain packer. Overall great vid though and good scaling
Zazan specifically in her transformed state might be too durable for Killua, but Feitan is kind of just a bad matchup for Killua. Killua does really bad against straight bruisers and durable tanks but for people who rely very heavily on an ability like Feitan Godspeed can usually stop them
@@Professor_Fiction thats a very good point and honestly you could be 100% correct. I really wish we got to see more nen masters fight speedsters. I think theres a chance that there's a nen technique specifically for fighting fast opponents that has not been explained yet. Similar to how in Heavens arena Hisoka made his nen invisible (something seemingly unbeatable), then a chapter later they're like "dude just use gyo and you counter that easily." There might be a simple nen answer to countering speedsters too(would explain why morel said theres many ways to beat people who overrely on speed). That's just my own headcanon though tbh, but it would explain why people like Tsubone think they could beat killua.
@@Professor_Fiction i started watching more of your vids man, you're really good at powerscaling. if youre down to collab sometime i think it would be really cool
@@LeelosAdventure real
Scaling Killua like this, could he not have just killed Illumi when he was chasing him?
No because illumi is above him. Also, he was trying to protect alluka too
Illumi is also immune to electricity since he has the same Zoldyck training Killua does so Godspeed attacks wouldn't stun him not to mention getting close to him in general puts you at risk of getting one shot if one of his needles lands. He's a pretty hard counter to Killua.
Not if Illumi is just stronger than Feitan. Also Killua didn’t want to kill Illumi or even fight him. At the end of the arc he threatened to fight Illumi for real. The rules of the family say they aren’t allow to have a real fight
It’s funny how Gon and Killua, 2 12 year olds, train nen a couple of months and are mid-high Phantom Troupe level in base
I’m waiting for that Bromous comment on the edge of my seat…
Just posted it lmao😂😂😂
@@bromous1446real
@@bromous1446 real
I was looking forward to this video until 3:16 & 3:49 which is when you fell I got the Video Essay Slop fault which is treating the audience like they cannot comprehend after you make a point by repeating the same statement multiple times after initially made. This really bogged down the quality of the video in my opinion
I wasn’t really trying to do that just put emphasis on how strong I think Feitan is. I get why for some people it can be annoying but for vsbattle videos I try to explain things as detailed as I can so people don’t misinterpret it
Always thought Fei could have been a bastard child of the Zoldyks
It’s an interesting theory but I’m personally more a fan of the idea they are all no names and randoms who rose to great heights due to their experiences
if killua lands a whirwind maybe feitan loses but i still believe feitan beats him with pain packer as i still believe he has more versions as phinks says this is one of them
(edit) ummm he reminded me killua is a zoldyck and is genetically modified and plays with 50kg yoys, still think it'd be a high -diff fight for both
Unless we actually see what all of the variations of Pain Packer, we have no idea what they all could do. It would be a fallacy to assume that Feitan has a means to counter Killua's abilities just because Phinks says he has more techniques than Rising Sun.
@Monkey55801 even if Killua uses whirlwind it’s still not gonna beat faitan
I think one thing that we have to member is that feitan is basically a zoldyck. Why does everyone forget that this dude loves torture which is basically his ability. To love torture you have to have a very high pain tolerance which he does. Also all physical categories are a wash or go feitan. Base killua is not faster, stronger, or more durable than feitan
Unless you think Feitan has a version of Pain Packer that doesn't require him to suffer damage first, and activates instantly, I can't imagine why you think they would make a difference.
@@t-god2439 Can't imagine why you think high pain tolerance is a necessary pre-requisite to loving torture, nor do I understand why you think pain tolerance would matter.
I also don't understand why you're arguing about base Killua, though there's some very definitive evidence that he's physically much stronger than Feitan. Namely,, he instant-kills officers repeatedly, while Phinks, who is several placements above Feitan, cannot.
I really don't like the idea that Phinks, Bonolenov, Shalnark, and Shizuku are just officer ant level in base. Shizuku I can get behind since she's not combat focused at all, but the other ones all got matchups that required them to use their ablities. Phinks and Bono got durable ants, and Shalnark got an already manipulated ant. Not that it really has anything to do with the video lol but I think you're kinda underestimating them.
They'll probably get better feats in the manga later on
I wish we got to see more of them to make me think that’s not true but sadly that’s literally the only fight most of them have. And it would be weird if those specific Officer ants are just way more durable and strong than every other Officer. Gon and Killua could take out most officers with basic punches, but this specific ant could take above Hisoka level punches without a scratch? He’s more durable than Chrollo? I find it very hard to believe especially given the ant hierarchy
@@Professor_Fiction I just think it's more like every officer ant is better in a different area. I wouldn't be surprised if some of them are more durable than even the strongest humans we know. But I guess we don't really have a way to know for sure.
Something else to consider that makes it weird, Feitan is much physically weaker than Phinks but he can damage Zazan. That officer that Phinks couldn’t even scratch was literally stated to be below Base Zazan. So why can Feitan clash blows with her when he’s rusty but Phinks can’t even scratch this lower ant?
@@Professor_Fiction Yeah that's really weird, maybe Feitan is just him lol
Tell me if I’m wrong but can’t killua use Godspeed for about 6+ hours when he said “I can go all night “
I believe Killua is on the same tier as Feitan. With enough prep time, I think he could assassinate him.
Major flaw in your analysis: Killua's lightning needs to be charged. When he runs out, his lightning nen is limited. If he's blitzing around Feitan and shocking him, he'll eventually run out.
That’s true however Killua does also carry a taser with him to help recharge his aura supply. Godspeed also lasts quite a while on Pouf and in the succession war
@@Professor_Fiction the point was, if he's blitzing Feitan and using Godspeed, he'll run out faster (Godspeed depletes his charge).
Killua couldn't tale a phantom troupe member from dozens of meters away, on the third story of a building. Then could not escape the grasp of one moments later. Case closed.
That was Killua in the 3rd arc of the show. Killua got a lot stronger
@@Professor_Fictionong
Braindead comments like these should be banned
Power scaling is almost impossible in HxH. You can tell Nen was an afterthought in the series and honestly, I think Togashi was developing it's concepts as he went along in the story. IF we do see the troop fight again, I would bet money they would get a silent nerf and not see Feitan's rising sun or even Benolenov's Jupiter move.
Calling nen, one of the most well thought out magic system in anime as an afterthought of a battle shonen is fucking stupid 😭🙏
@@daddyvegan9325 Yes, It is great... NOW. I'm saying he had to develope it after the fact and there were defintly inconsistincies in the early stages.
@@grahamjl766Not really. The author created yu yu Hakusho before hunter x Hunter. Using a magic system was always in the plan
Just think how much more powerful he will become as an adult
Featwise i agree but narratively the phantom troupe feel like a threat Gon and killua wouldn't be able to touch other than it's weakest members. I do guess making our leads go up against the ant king and his royal guard and the troupe is nothing to them
Here’s my only issue with that interpretation. Gon and Killua are hyped up as supernatural, insane prodigies, to the point they could even hurt someone like Pakunoda after they first learned Nen. The Chimera Ant arc for all intents and purposes(so far at least) represents the climax of their power progression. That is the climax of their greatest battles, and they obviously don’t get stronger in the Election Arc. I think it’s fair to believe that as main characters in their “final-ish” arc they’d be pretty relevant characters in Togashi’s eyes, even if they aren’t literal top tiers or anything
@@Professor_Fictionyour video is wrong faitan beats Killua let’s debate
@@Professor_Fictionfaitan solos Godspeed Killua
@@Professor_Fictionyour glazing
@@Professor_Fictionyour video sucks I’m gonna debunk it
as a sequel to this video, could u do gon and killua versus the phantom troupe (alone and together as well). To show how they actually clear most of them and stop peoples glazing
Killua is simply way stronger than feitan, there is nothing feats wise to compare the two, the only argument for those that disagree might be narrative statements at best.
The same goes for hisoka vs feitan, while hisoka can fight using his hatsu from the start feitan can only use his hatsu after he take damage, this means hisoka can win before even land a first hit just like he did machi, hisoka is on 100% power and full of tricks while feitan is at 60% at best without any resourses, it is not even fair to be honest
everyone who watched or red HxH knows killua is stronger than feitan sure feitan is in my top 5 fave chars but killua is just way stronger
@@MitternachtssternXIII @MitternachtsstrenXll sorry but everyone would say that faitan is stronger than Killua quit fanboying and go cry
Killua definitely can
@@kenanOW @kenanOW nope Killua can’t that fodder is a adult gon victim
@ it’s funny how much you hate killua are you that mad killua outshines gon that much?
Feitan wins because of pain packer. The more damage he endures the stronger he gets. Please stop the bias hate.
You cooked
Dollar store Hiei gonna get cooked
@@justcause7317 @justcause7317 who’s the dollar store hiei cuz it’s definitely Killua that’s gonna get cooked
I swear there are only two types of people. Troupe glazers or Troupe haters.
Killua definitely has the tools to defeat Feitan but that goes both ways. I'd say it's 50/50 but as of now, Feitan is the one with unknown potential. We know what Killua can do. We do not know everything what Feitan can do. So i'd give him a slight edge in this regard.
I do think Feitan has the capacity to win but I actually think Killua just has a good matchup for Feitan. They have comparable physical abilities but Feitan’s Nen ability gets hard countered by Godspeed and Thunderbolt. Pain Packer is literally Nen infused with pain and hatred and Godspeed will auto counter you if your aura has malice inside of it.
@Professor_Fiction
Well, this is the way i see it.
Scenario A: Killua Strikes First: If Killua uses Godspeed early, he could overwhelm Feitan with his superior speed and paralyze him with electricity. Feitan might struggle to counter this, as Killua could stay out of range.
Scenario B: Feitan Endures: If Feitan manages to endure Killua’s initial attacks and activate Pain Packer, the fight would turn heavily in his favor. Killua likely lacks the defenses to survive Feitan’s Rising Sun.
The outcome depends on the circumstances of the fight. If Killua can avoid prolonged combat and exploit Feitan's impulsiveness, he has a chance. However, Feitan’s experience and deadly Pain Packer ability make him a strong contender in a longer battle plus we do not know what else is in Feitans arsenal.
It's a hot debate and honestly you can pick whichever side you want.
@@BengNinjaI pick feitan everytime especially at this point. If your hatsu is a direct representation of who you are as a character. Then feitan’s hatsu is literally torture. He inflicts it and he endures it. So why wouldn’t he have high durability and will power? Makes no sense for him to have that hastu without those things. Especially when we take into account his opponent.
It actually doesn't go both ways
@@t-god2439Feitan's durability us lower than chimera ant enhancer like rammot which killua one shooted. Unless you have actual evidence other than your headcannon, killua annihilates.
why would he kill his own brother????
I honestly feel like the only actual strong members of the troupe were chrollo, Illumi, hisoka, and maybe uvogin the rest of them have cool abilities and some have aura but in terms of raw combat strength are mid in the verse maybe like zushi they are like one in 10k talents. While chrollo, illumi, and hisoka are probably 1 in 100-500k and gon and killua are 1 in a million or rarer than that. I’d say the zoldycks, neteros, and freecs are the strongest nen bloodlines we know of until the succession contest where tserridnich has the most potential of any human we’ve seen, which is closer to 1 in a billion.
Huge W bro , finally someone who know his stuff and don’t push the « he is a phantom troupe member so he is stronger » narrative
Also I like how you brought up the stats because people keep ignoring this , it’s not everything in Nen combat but it’s still important
@@Zenin_Loutfi @Zenin_Loutfi no lil bro your wrong also faitan oneshots Killua
@ keep crying and liking your own comment lil bro you have ZERO ARGUMENTS Killua dogwalk the Jon jones victim , cry about it dance wrap you around and take a shower
Never let bro cook again
It all checks out to me.
Which argument did you take issue with?
@@Thumbdumpandthebumpchump wdym?
@@DrnoobzHermida His arguments checked out to me.
@ well your wrong
Meh… but does Killua know what Bungee Gum can do…
@@Mooki66 does killua know what *hisoka* can do 👹
1.Killua isn’t relative to feitan in physical strength at all. It’s states that him and Gon are legit less than half as strong as Knuckle and Shoot, so unless you think Knuckle and Shoot are around as physically strong as Hisoka than that just isn’t possible
2.Also the phantom troupes showings versus the ants wasn’t bad(except for Bono) if Phinks couldn’t damage that ant with a regular punch that just means anybody weaker than him wouldn’t be able to either🤷🏾♂️
3.Killuas Godspeed showings are decent but not as impressive as the fandom try’s to make it. First off him speed blitzing Youpi isn’t that impressive because Youpi was never shown to be fast. He also speed blitzed a Pouf who gave most of his power to Meurem and then split himself into multiple clones which makes him way weaker. So we really don’t know where Killua stand in terms of speed.
4.For the sake of argument I’ll grant that Godspeed Killua can speed blitz Feitan but it honestly wouldn’t matter. Because Killua wouldn’t be able to physically over power Feitans nen defenses and after Godspeed runs out, Killua dies.
Hard disagree read the manga
@@Wavedashnoir could you elaborate please? Idc abt who wins or loses i Just think its silly to Say " Nah read The manga " without saying more
@@sapomen1352 he can’t counter any of the points lmao that’s typically what they do
@@Wavedashnoir No you learn how to power scale
@@Wavedashnoir You people think Gon and Killua are so strong yet Shoot and Knuckle were washing them😂please make it make sense
Bruh Killua is a fuckin mutant wtf
hence why his family needs him as head 😂😂
@ no fr tho
Remember when killua couldn't even stab Machi with his nails and all she did was contract her muscles? Feitan I'd just as or if not stronger than her, sure killua had leveled up but hes not one shotting feitan.
The fact he could damage Machi after only learning the most basic Nen abilities is more of an impressive thing than not. Machi was bleeding after Killua’s attack. He’s only gotten much much stronger since then. I don’t think he’s one shotting Feitan but he is stronger than he id
Feiten still wins lmao.
1.) Skill argument makes negative sense. Just because Killua was trained in ASSASSINATION doesn’t make him a better hand to hand fighter. Nor does his training (not mastery, just apprenticeship) in kung fu make him a better hand to hand fighter either. And Feiten doesn’t fight in hand to hand, he uses swordsmanship. Comparing their fighting styles is entirely baseless. If anything, Feiten shows better skill in terms of nen due to being capable of using Ko mid fight. U also can’t tangibly prove that Feiten wasn’t training since an age as young as killua. Assuming killua is more skilled is just entirely baseless.
2.) Pouf’s cells aren’t what makes him weak to killua, it’s the durability of his cells. Unlike youpi, pouf had to search the outside of the nuclear fallout. Because he didn’t have the durability to withstand the heat like youpi does. His cells would burn from that, unlike youpi’s. Same logic. It makes negative sense for that to be an AP feat because Killua himself admits that his lightning attacks (thunderbolt and lightning palm) are stunning attacks.
3.) His feats on officer ants should ALL be taken with a grain of salt. He one shot paralyzed rammot. Ikalgo has 0 impressive feats. And dart twins were both offguard when Killua attacked. We see that Rammot’s Ten was enough to damage Killua through his ten showing that their nen is at least relative, if not in favor of Rammot. Killua only one shot Rammot when he was paralyzed, and after he enhanced his nen with Ren. Not all ants of the same rank have similar stats. Meleoron said he was about as strong as a peon. Welfin said that he can’t take pain. Cheetu with thousands of attacks wouldn’t be able to put dents in either morel or knuckle. Consistently, the ants are shown to very in power. Rammot might have been strong for an officer ant (no tangible scale to say he was though), but even with Ren, he couldn’t knock out a nenless colt with a single blow. Much less with Ten, which is the only form of Rammot that Killua scales to. And that’s his best AP feat. On the paralyzed rammot.
4.) Feiten’s on morel and knov’s level. Just read their feats and it’s easy to see. Morel was struggling with, but in the end handled Leol using strategy, with ease. Feiten, while rusty, was handling base Zazan with ease. He wasn’t being touched by her, and was slowly improving his stats. Knov, in zetsu, went insane from Pouf’s En. Not an attack, just En. Feiten on the other hand, in Zetsu, got hit by emitted aura. An attack, filled with malicious aura, and literally walked it off. With similar enough feats, they should be considered on the same tier, even if u think Feiten is weaker than both of them.
5.) Feiten has better combat speed feats than Killua. Killua’s feats against the RG are just hax feats because he doesn’t scale in reaction speed to whirlwind. Whirlwind which is very easy to counter for someone like Feiten. Speed of lightning only improves his movement speed, and while it may be good for a single attack, it won’t do much past that, especially against someone with better combat speed feats than him.
6.) Just because Feiten activates pain packer doesn’t mean Killua is instantly running away. Kalluto, with the same training as Killua, didn’t immediately think of running away. The troupe only did so because they previously tried to watch the attack go off. There’s literally no reason Killua would have to run away at the first sight of Ren lmao. Each time Killua uses Thunderbolt, or Lightning palm, it reduces the amount of electrical charge he has. He can’t use it forever. Since Feiten scales to base Zazan (who scales above nenless colt, who Ren enhanced Rammot scales marginally above), he absolutely can defend himself while paralyzed with just nen defenses and take minimal damage. So stunning him won’t change a thing, whirlwind is countered, speed of lightning will only help in a single attack, chasing, or running away. That’s his entire hatsu that’s just useless. Meanwhile Feiten’s rising sun may be slow, but again, there’s 0 reason Killua has to instantly run away. There’s 0 way for him to know it’s an AOE attack either. There’s legitimately nothing Killua has experienced like rising sun. He doesn’t have the experience needed to adapt to a fight with a veteran nen user yet.
I think what he meant for godspeed immediately reacting to malicious aura is “whirlwind” not “godspeed” as a whole. Whirlwind would immediately react to rising sun, but that is if godspeed even last that long into the fight. Godspeed lasted seconds when he used whirlwind on youpi albeit he used lightning bolt before but that wouldnt have had diminish his electric aura significantly. Whirlwind consume nen way more than speed of lightning for some reason. Maybe attacking rather than just enchancing himself consume significantly more aura. Since we only saw speed of lighting for running primarily thats prob the case.
Ultimately, killua has to manage his “charge” a lot making him “stomps” feitan very ridiculous imo. This video only highlights killuas feat, the pouf clone was prob extremely weak for it to get burned by killuas lighting when it only has stunned other characters and he completely glossed over the fact that killua got damaged a shitton by ikalgo and the fish twins which are merely officer ants. Killua glaze is crazyy
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Even if whirlwind reacts to rising sun, there’s 0 proof that it can program him to run away or throw a lightning bolt. The only thing he’s done in whirlwind is attack after a trigger is set off.
And yeah, Killua glaze in the HxH community is pretty in fashion, and while I think glazing the PT is also rlly popular, saying that Killua loses to Feiten isn’t glaze if the evidence is there. Feiten 1v1’d a squad leader who is self taught in terms of nen, learned nen contracts, and advanced applications of nen, and won with ease. Compared to Killua who’s ten is consistently on par with average and MAYBE above average officers. I’m not a slanderous person, and I like watching his videos just to see his views, but MANY of his videos are very skewed and biased. Like Jogo vs Mahito, when he says that Shibuya yuji is stronger than Naobito (IDK if u know anything abt JJK, sorry if this is confusing). When Naobito is likely who Gojo was referring to when he said that Kusukabe was only the strongest grade 1 outside of the 3 big families, and he was able to easily break through Dagon’s water shield, when nanami who yuji was compared to at the time couldn’t even scratch the water shield or Dagon.
1. Killua objectively speaking has more tangible, measurable feats and accolades of skill. If you had two fighters in the MMA, one dude who has the highest status in numerous disciplines and consistently beats physically stronger opponents using skill, then another guy who has no combat record, you would assume the first guy is more skilled. We can only make inferences off the information we know. Killua’s training involved numerous killing techniques and martial arts styles, killing techniques kinda make you a better fighter, able to exploit weak points in the body. Also, Killua is also able to use Ko and even Ryu, as is Gon
2. They are stunning attacks and come with a burning effect because that’s how electricity works. Youpi didn’t just instantly freeze when hit by Killua he cried out in pain because the electricity caused him pain. And overcoming the durability of Killua’s cells is a feat, he still needs to get through the Nen Pouf uses to enhance his body
3. Rammot was paralyzed because he was terrified by Killua’s overwhelming aura. Ikalgo is still an officer ant, who’s blow dart gun actually hurt a Squadron Leader. By your logic, Zazan has no impressive feats, her only fight is with Feitan, who has no feats before this. They only fight each other and they are both featless. The only reason we can even scale Feitan high is because of the ant hierarchy. Rammot was damaging a paralyzed, Nen needle nerfed Killua. Also, why are you assuming Rammot was only in a state of Ten? He actually learned how to use Gyo and possibly Ryu almost immediately after learning Nen. Once again, if not all ants of the same rank have equal stats, Feitan’s fight with Zazan means nothing because Zazan has no feats or status. She’s just a squadron leader. Killua actually has better stats in the databooks than Zazan which is literally the only comparison between them.
4. I think Killua is above Morel as well, although Morel probably has a good matchup on Killua in a fight while Feitan has a really bad matchup on Killua in a fight. Also, now you’re equating Zazan and Leol when you said a moment ago the ants vary in strength. We have no evidence Zazan is as strong as Leol. Leol actually got training from Pitou and Pouf which Zazan never got cuz she went solo
5. Killua does scale to his Whirlwind Reaction speed, when he’s using Whirlwind. It’s an ability he can use and when he uses it he’s much faster than Feitan. Feitan who, has no feats of speed outside of blitzing the also featless Zazan and the featless Kalluto. Also, why would Feitan counter Whirlwind exactly? He hasn’t shown any battle IQ feats ever outside of exploiting a very conventional Blindspot weakness.
6. Kalluto is using the Phantom Trouoe as a means to get more powerful. He wants to see the Troupe’s abilities and learn. Killua in a combat setting, would not be interested in seeing Pain Packer. He also doesn’t literally need to run away. He can use any of his paralyzing abilities which work on people way stronger than Feitan, like Youpi. Once again, no evidence Zazan is stronger than any form of Colt. You said yourself, the ants vary in strength. To claim Zazan with Nen is above Colt without Nen, you have to assume at least some relativity base to base your which applies to all the ants
@@Professor_Fiction
1.) Killua objectively has more feats and accolades ON PANEL. That’s like saying he’s more skilled than ging, beyond, and Kurapika even. Just because he has more shown than others doesn’t make him more skilled than them. You physically can’t prove that his assassination training, which is just killing with minimal risk, and kung fu apprenticeship, which makes him a novice at it btw, make him superior to Feiten in swordsmanship. Especially when Feiten was more than likely a part of the Kurta clan massacre, since he’s one of the founding members of the troupe. The Kurta clan that uvogin believed were strong. On top of the years of training he’s had in Nen that Killua has only been aware of for a very short amount of time. Killua being able to use Ko doesn’t mean he can use it mid combat. Gon, before having the information that leaving himself open made him stronger, could only use Ko by making himself extraordinarily vulnerable. Feiten and Zeno are the only examples of ppl using Ko mid combat without leaving themselves in very vulnerable positions (outside of the obvious vulnerability of Zetsu everywhere except where the aura is focused). If I’m not mistaken on the GI timeline, it took Gon and Killua months to learn to use Gyo against all the monsters at the beginning of the arc. And Ko is far more advanced than Gyo, and risky. And feiten’s combat speed feats are superior. Covering impressive distances, performing a dozen feints, and maneuvering from awkward positions in a significantly small amount of time while rusty. Compared to Killua who rlly doesn’t have combat speed feats at all. He was blitzed by shoot and was having difficulties tracking knuckle’s movements.
2.) Pain ≠ Damage. You can stun someone with pain and still do minimal damage. Cut open someone’s finger, and they’re screaming out in pain despite very minimal damage actually being done. Same with tasing someone. Youpi screaming out in pain doesn’t change that it’s still a stunning attack, and still doesn’t deal damage. The only time it did was against Pouf, who couldn’t enter the nuclear fallout because he would’ve died from it at FULL POWER, when youpi could walk through it for minutes looking for Meruem. It’s not an AP feat, it’s a matchup argument. The only person that can have their cells burnt by Killua’s electricity is Pouf.
3.) Rammot was only using Ten because each time that Gyo or Ryu is used to enhance attacks or defense, the amplification of aura is seen. When Killua was running through the ants in the forest, when Chrollo kicked Zeno towards the end of their fight, when Gon was fighting the bomber, etc. Rammot never showed himself enhancing his aura. And yes, he was paralyzed by Killua’s aura, it literally doesn’t change the fact that the feat is on a paralyzed Rammot. And the nen needle is just a confidence nerf, it doesn’t change his strength, durability, or speed. It just makes him subconsciously retreat when there’s unknown risks or known inferiority to the opponent. Ikalgo’s rifle damaged Welfin who admitted he physically can’t absorb damage. He has weak durability and endurance. And it’s true, there’s no real knowledge of where Zazan sits in ant hierarchy in terms of power. Except for the fact that she’s self taught and knows more nen applications than most of the trained ants. She can emit raw aura, she knew about Ko (the exclamation when Feiten used it being her thought bubble), and she knew about Nen vows. She was actually strong enough to rear in her own colony unlike the rest of the squadron leaders. I assumed relativity to Leol simply because of how advanced Leol’s hatsu was, and how strong it is. Because Zazan without a doubt has better Nen fundamentals than any other squadron leader.
4.) Morel is objectively above Killua. He handled cheetu and Leol 1v1. He went up against Pouf at 30% power and pushed him into a corner enough to make himself vulnerable with an “invincible” hatsu ability. Knuckle and shoot believe they’re inferior to morel, and they’re at worst relative to Gon and Killua.
5.) No he doesn’t. It’s a hax ability. That’s like saying that Netero scales to the AP of 0 hand when he’s using it, but he physically can’t output that damage without the ability. Making it hax. Or like saying that anyone in JJK scales to the domains they create. Like no, a hax ability is a hax ability. And I’ve already talked about how Whirlwind is easily counterable by Feiten. With knowledge of Nobunaga’s abilities, and its similarities to Whirlwind, his naturally suspicious and cautious mindset, with examples like refusing to eat food others have touched, and his experience in fighting with and against nen users for years as opposed to just the short amount of time that Killua and Gon have been fighting with and against them. And to say he has no BIQ feats when he instantly deduced that zazan was hiding a weapon (her stinger) under her dress, and utilizes tools like the bolt in the edge of his umbrella when Zazan caught his sword is just downplay.
6.) Prove that paralyzing him will stop an ability that doesn’t require movement… Paralyzing an opponent doesn’t just make them nonexistent. It just stops their movement. Pain packer is just the conjuration of the suit, and rising sun is just transmuted aura into heat. At what point is movement required for either of those actions established? Are you assuming that Killua’s lightning acts like chain jail and just deactivates an opponent’s nen? And the point of bringing up kalluto is to show that not knowing an ability makes him vulnerable to AOE attacks simply because he doesn’t know how wide its range is. Killua won’t know instantly that rising sun would cover a massive range, so like what exactly is he going to do when he finds out? Speed of lightning maybe, but you’d have to prove that he can physically escape rising sun AFTER it’s be activated and not before like the troupe did. The only person that was caught up in rising sun that we know of is evolved Zazan who physically couldn’t move as she was burned from the inside out.
@@bromous1446 Killua has more feats than Feitan. Also Whirlwind and nobunaga are different, you don't have combat feats to suggest Feitan figure out something against Whirlwind
.Togashi put zazan at 18/30 on the power charts, end of chimera ant killua at 23/30 and Hisoka/chrollo at 25/30.
Feitan struggled against zazan who is that far behind killua. Killua has better feats on his side
. If killua can defeat a chimera ant enhancer like rammot. He can speedblitzes and combo kill Feitan
Rammot without nen is durable enough to tank janjaken of Gon's enhancement
Meruem being "scared" of Killua is a bit generous of you.... But I will let it slide because the rest of the video is peak🗿
Not Meruem, Meleoron, the Chimera Ant that turns invisible
@Professor_Fiction owwwww that makes more sense, my bad🙃
Are you really gotta ask yourself is a squadron leader 1/7 the strength of a royal guard probably not they’re probably way weaker.
Feitan struggled against a random chimera ant. A Royal Chimera Ant struggled against Killua (even if it was for some seconds).
Killua just needs some seconds with Godspeed and Feitan is gone
@@hugoreyes7185 @hugoreyes7185 faitan did not struggle against a random chimera ant faitan was beating the shit out of a chimera ant also Killua wasn’t do Jack shit to a royal guard give faitan pain packer and it’s ggs in faitans favour
Gon without adultform vs uvogin next please
Obviously Uvo wins
Ok uvogin wins but gon would one shot him if he lands a jajaken
Killua believed him and gon could have done something if not defeat a nerfed and injured pitou. Killua still having this hisoka level power level scaling in his brain but he could now control it.
Pitou also immediately went fp to try and kill gon in one shot. This would mean, she considered gon more of a threat than kite, who she fodderized while playing around 😭. This is a STRONGER pitou too 😂
Uvogin wins but the fight would basically come down to who one shots the other I don't see Gon surviving a Big bang and I don't see Uvogin tanking a Jajaken since even Morel thought he was going to die if he got hit
I pray all 4 of you are trolling.
@@Alkhemia8 Morel wasn't an enhancer. Uvo could probably tank one at best. Tho it would leave him with wounded. It's really all about who gets hit first.
Cook that bum, Killua
so what your saiyng is that KasHIMo solos the troupe...
🔥Vid💯
No😂 we haven't seen anything from Feitan besides pain packer
@@justgamingbro1305 @justgamingbro1305 and it’s still stronger than Godspeed Killua lmao 😭
Nah, Feitan can outlast godspeed and finish him of with pain packer, the Feitan that fought with Zazan was much weaker than his usual self
Killua has more feats than Feitan. Also Whirlwind and nobunaga are different, you don't have combat feats to suggest Feitan figure out something against Whirlwind
.Togashi put zazan at 18/30 on the power charts, end of chimera ant killua at 23/30 and Hisoka/chrollo at 25/30.
Feitan struggled against zazan who is that far behind killua. Killua has better feats on his side
. If killua can defeat a chimera ant enhancer like rammot. He can speedblitzes and combo kill Feitan
Rammot without nen is durable enough to tank janjaken of Gon's enhancement
Bro feitan is wayyy freaking stronger than killua w/ godspeed
Fietan low to mid diffs…
Why is this so hard for people to understand?
Give an actual single argument as to why.
Killua can't beat his eldest brother.
What’s stopping him from beating Illumi?
@@kenanOWHonestly Killua would probably do fine until he runs out of juice.
Illumi still probably has superior stamina and enough stats and tricks to survive.
Killua would need to focus on survival and escape.
With prep time Illumi probably still stomps.
Killua probably 1 or 2 power ups away from ez win against big bro.
@@jackrichards1908 we don’t have enough feats from Illumi and idk what’s stopping killua from using Godspeed and doing damage where Illumi can’t do anything we just don’t have any Illumi feats
@@kenanOW We have statements and narrative.
@@jackrichards1908 what are the statements? Narrative I can see but only narrative we have is killua being scared but that can just be because he has alluka and or he has trauma from him I’m just saying we don’t have enough evidence
At first I was kinda iffy, but on Feitan’s side. But now I agree with you.
Stay tuned for the next hxh matchup it’s a lot more interesting and imo a lot closer to
Better idea
How many seconds will it take gon to beat the phantom troup
Am thinking 12
Adult gon ? Or nenless gon
If it’s adult gon, he nukes the place with a full power jajaken killing everyone 💀
Now if it’s chimera ant gon(pre adult), then he beats every member of the phantom troupe except hisoka, illumi, and chrollo.
Uvogin vs gon is up in the air as whoever lands the first hit kills
@@Zeno1781Bruh. Phinks, Feitan and Uvogin would demolish Gon in a fight(pre adult) easily. Gon couldn’t even beat Knucle, and Knuckle is definitely not on the level of those guys
@@Hughjanus09 obviously adult
@@Naldinho456 bro adult gon folds anyone in 12seconds
Смысл сранения?
Килуа был быстрее королевского стажника
Фейтан медленее командира отряда
Тут и сравнивать не чего
There's no way he could win😂😂
Feitan quite literally one Taps using pain packer, killua can't one Tap him and that's going to be killua biggest downfall
Killua doesn’t need to one shot Feitan, every time he attacks Feitan with Godspeed he will paralyze him, and he can do the same with Thunderbolt
@@Professor_Fictionsays By who?
@@QinerxJones wym says by who? He literally paralyzed a Royal Guard with his base Thunderbolt. Feitan would get paralyzed whenever he’s hit by that and won’t be able to activate Pain Packer
I think we gotta Understand the foreshadowing of Killua & Gon is that they would be on par with Netero or even surpass him if they reach their full potential. Killua at this age is already top 5 fastest in the verse even if he can't maintain his lightning form for long . Killua is far stronger than his York New self.
I would also love to hear how strong Kalluto /Illumi believes Killua to be in comparison to the Troupe members
Nice vid
Killua uses god speed and just puts his hand through his chest before the fight even starts is how I imagine it
(Just started the video)
W bro
Why y’all glazing killua like if it wasn’t for gon killua is nothing
Killua has more feats than Feitan. Also Whirlwind and nobunaga are different, you don't have combat feats to suggest Feitan figure out something against Whirlwind
.Togashi put zazan at 18/30 on the power charts, end of chimera ant killua at 23/30 and Hisoka/chrollo at 25/30.
Feitan struggled against zazan who is that far behind killua. Killua has better feats on his side
. If killua can defeat a chimera ant enhancer like rammot. He can speedblitzes and combo kill Feitan
Rammot without nen is durable enough to tank janjaken of Gon's enhancement .
I'm going to say no!!!!
Feitan dies because I'm biased.
@@notaheretic6675 real bro
I think kilua is stronger becose icalgo for int is abale to dame a shaypu amp welfin i think welfin one of the weker swuadorn leders but he is sitl a squadron eledaer tha tmeans tha ticalgo is one of thee strogens oficers one soedien him is i think beter than fietna feats how wood just analeit peorel how are at best slthily steoger than icalgo
That’s it
oooooo power scaling for 4 years who gives a fuck man lmao its not a degree
Actually it is, that’s why I’m the professor
The thing is Phanton Troupe is developed to be an assassin/ crime organization t. There not running around fighting top-tiers like Gon &Killuia because that’s not what there goal is. There characters aren’t made to be power scaled in a normal sense
Cook
I dunno, the Zoldycks seem like pretty top-tier fighters and Chrollo fought off 2 of them at once.
Killua is litterally the same way. So much so he was forced to not face people on his level for awhile. i dont see how this says anything
@ that is true. My point tho isn’t that it only applies to the phantom troupe more so that they never really faced anyone significant enough( we don’t have accurate scaling for their full potential) to really matter unlike Killua what at certain points actually faced some higher ups in the HxH verse
Been fiendin for the prof hxh content 🙏🏼
This guy is a Killua glazer
I still think killua loses but respect
Godspeed gives Killua an intiatial action advantage that you can't beat by "being stronger". In this regard, Killua could move a fair bit before Feitan's nerves would send signals to the different parts of his body to start moving. If Killua is within 10 feet of Feitan at the start of the battle, yes, Killua takes his head off of his shoulders before he moves. If Feitan and Killua are like 20-40 feet away, Feitan dawns his armor and I think Killua loses. Feitan would not do well in the fight initially, but Killua could not kill him before Godspeed faded. Afterwhich, Killua is fucked. No Godspeed versus someone who now has him beat in every speed category and worst of all, if Killua managed to do significant damage to Feitan he can BTFO Killua via Pain Packer.
Not that I see this as a loss for Killua at all. He can win under certain conditions and he has so much more growing to do. Give Killua 3 more years and the result will be VERY different.
@@Javetts Why do you think the armor would be effective against piercing/slashing, and why do you think he's capable of donning it instantly when he didn't before? Also, from a greater distance, Killua could just disable Feitan with a lightning bolt.
@@Hissingace110 Killua can’t do Jack shit to faitan he could activate pain packer
Saying Feitan would instantly dawn the armor is weird seeing as he only has ever put the armor on to use Pain Packer. No matter the starting conditions of the fight unless Feitan has full knowledge on Killua he’d have no reason to act so optimally. And this also assumes Killua would just begin the battle in Godspeed which he doesn’t have to do either, it’s just a tool in his arsenal. He also has Lightning Palm and Thunderbolt which act as other means to stun Feitan and prevent Pain Packer from coming out
Phantom troupe are fodder. They have no scaling to the guards that Killua does have. Feitan is getting the Ramrot treatment.
W my bro 🥹
Killuas main advantage is his GodSpeed
With it, he can likely compete against some of the top tiers but without it, he isn’t on their lv yet
@ base Killua is very underrrated , the copium has to stop yall can’t admit gon and Killua started to close the gap with top tiers with each arc they littered trained three arc in a row 💀 and the fact that you had to take Godspeed away show how dangerous he is with it
@aceclover758 Name a feat that's small town from the Spiders.
Killua doesn’t have any scaling either… he didn’t do damage against any of them minus a clone of pouf with maybe 1/100th of his power
For all the feitan fans out there,know that not only does killua probably beat him,hisoka one shots him🗿🗿
Silva one shot him, Zeno one shot him,Illumi, Hisoka and Killua also stronger than him.
Feitan is weak compared to Zoldyck family and all Top of the verse.
lmao no, hisoka is stronger yes but he's not one shotting a combatant on the level of feitan
@@PauloHenrique-ok3yb Post Chrollo fight Hisoka would probably one shot him.
Current Hisoka is probably stronger then the entire phantom troupe including chrollo
@@PauloHenrique-ok3ybhisoka most likely one shots
excellent video
im killua
@yocito loser
Sun vs lightning*
No
Killua wins low dif
@JironDerulo nope faitan wins no concept of diff
Feitans ability relies on him taking damage, killua COULD one tap speedblitz.
@@Trillipide @Trillipide nope Killua can’t onetap cuz if he does than it’s ggs for Killua also faitan solos
@@DrnoobzHermida for real these fan boys are delusional. Feitan was sad when zazan didn't do more damage... the man is a master torturer lol... killuas little wimpy hits would = nuke
Feitan fans so delusional i hate the character more now lmao
Narratively: feitan but fear wise: killua
Narritve says killua not that bum
@@Wavedashnoir narrative wise faitan not that kid gon victim
Buuuuuuuuut what if feitan is durable enough to survive and fast enough to activate, he could activate while being paralyzed and what if it's impossible to run away from his attacks like domain expansion
Killua has more feats than Feitan. Also Whirlwind and nobunaga are different, you don't have combat feats to suggest Feitan figure out something against Whirlwind
.Togashi put zazan at 18/30 on the power charts, end of chimera ant killua at 23/30 and Hisoka/chrollo at 25/30.
Feitan struggled against zazan who is that far behind killua. Killua has better feats on his side
. If killua can defeat a chimera ant enhancer like rammot. He can speedblitzes and combo kill Feitan
Rammot without nen is durable enough to tank janjaken of Gon's enhancement .
@faizissa8617 let me cope
Killua one shot
@@Billy_Herrington1969 @Billy_Herrington1969 nope faitan oneshots
Painpacker/rising sun is no use on killua. Unless killua stands still and watch Feitan do it. Killua's godspeed is too quick to get caught under PP/RS. Members of phantom troupe escaped it by simply running away lmao.
What would be more interesting is Killua vs Hisoka, electricity vs gum/rubber.
- rubber is non- conductive but electricity can burn rubber and gum.
-they can counter each other depending on the implementation
- hisoka can cover himself with bungee gum. Is killua capable of burning it and trapping hisoka with his own gum?
- hisoka can plant bungee gum on killua body surface, is killua capable of burning the gum to severe the connection?
- can killua overcome the need for recharging?
Killua slams all of the phantom troupe except chrollo and uvogin. Though he could potentially still beat uvogin but it’s up in the air
@Nozoroth Killua gets bullied by faitan
@Nozoroth also Killua beating uvogain is a bit debatable
He beats Uvogin and Chrollo. They are too slow.
@@МаксимМихеев-ю2ь nope they bully Killua also speed is useless lil bro
@@DrnoobzHermida say that to Netero
hell no lmao
Faitan beats Killua so bad
Silva one shot him, Zeno one shot him,Illumi and Killua also stronger than him. Nanika one shot him.
Feitan is weak compared to Zoldyck family. Because they are that Family.
Feitan is his brother
Might be debatable but Current hisoka solos the entire phantom troupe Current hisoka = royal guard
Which royal gaurd do you mean?
Cause it's definitely not youp,pitou or pouf
If you mean hisoka battling with chrolo news flash chrolo gets packed up
First
If feitan gets hit his pain packer will be stronger Or am
I getting this wrong
Yes, Pain Packer is stronger based on how much pain Feitan takes