Questions/Time Stamps 2:57 What can player bases be used for? 7:03 How does all this work with shards? 9:09 How will this look like in terms of offline raiding and base defences? 10:44 What's our current plan for how planetary shields will work? 11:33 Will mining extractors and other processors automatically eject boxes, allowing anyone to tractor them away? 13:13 Will underground deposits respawn over time and, how is the overall rarity of minerals accounted for in the economy? 16:41 Can we deconstruct buildings, and how is this done? 18:11 How does crafting change existing gathering methods such as mining and salvage? 26:19 Will there be limited use blueprints? 27:17 Can you trade blueprints? 28:28 Can we use stolen materials to craft? 29:29 How customizable will buildings be in terms of materials, colours, shapes? 31:35 Will there be different styles of structures in the future? 32:51 How will we be able to decorate our homes in a way that there isn't physics jank? 35:18 Can you work together to create a base? Or can you charge a fee for using a bases services? 37:41 Can you spawn in your base or group bed log? 38:20 Bases in caves or asteroids? 38:37 Can we start a build using our drones from something like the Starlancer, then leave? 39:58 What happens when people try to park their Idris where you're trying to build your base? 40:55 Where can space stations be built? Smaller space stations for smaller groups? 42:48 If you pledge for a ship, will you receive a blueprint to craft it? 43:51 WTF the upgrade system? How does this work? 51:35 How well will bases blend into the surrounding environment? 54:11 How will player trading at bases work? 56:54 What are our current intentions on how land claims will work? Merry Christmas, Merry Luminalia, and a Happy New Year!!! See you all next year!! Cheers 🍻
Summary: #1 The only constant in Game Dev is change! #2 Player bases uses: * backbone of player to player interaction, personal activity hubs, * focus on player choice (many small, one large, specialized, generalist) * nearly every core gameplay loop will have basebuilding equiv, which will grow as features grow #3-5 bases are visible and useable across all shards (7:10) * Planet-shielded bases unraidable, undamageable (10:45) * If you're online, players can only raid base on your shard, but everyone can see & use base * (9:08) If you're offline, attacks on base can happen on single server shard only, everyone can see & use base Best practice: offload valuables often, build base shields, turret defenses. Will be more updates on this later as tech evolves #5 Planetary shields same in high sec, low-sec / lawless (10:45) * all buildings immune to attack, theft * air shield vs. bombardment #6 Do extractors, processors auto-eject or need manual ejection? (11:34) * most crafters can hold output in buffer * can tell them to auto-eject, protected from theft by permissions * some output auto to freight storage #7 Underground mineral deposits respawn, rarity & economy? (13:09) * Respawn in new locations, "mobile temp bases" concept for extraction, industry * sources & sinks, careful balance between inflation & useability * WIP challenge to get system design & ingame economy balanced this way #8 Building deconstruction (16:42) * Drones disassemble, auto-fill material to freight elevator * Some, not all material refunded * Flexibility to adapt base over time * Items disassemble, too, but volatile / rare materials not refunded #9 Mining & Salvage Changes (18:10) * Single-resource rocks with quality * Redesign to biome-based, geography-based resource locations, player knowledge aspect * More clear & logical, esp. for newer players; don't "have to" datamine to learn * Profession matters: Ship miners find ship mining deposits, FPS, ground vehicle * Resources divvied by profession; all three (ship, vehicle, FPS) mining necessary * Salvage will allow construction stuffs to choose output type #10 Limited-use blueprints? (26:20) * SOME are cooldown-based, or limited total uses #11 Blueprint Trading (27:18) * Yes: "found" datapads in lootcrates (until DL'd to char) * No: direct credit from reputation or mission rewards #12 "Whatever our version of an auction house will be" (28:20) #13 Can use stolen materials to craft (28:28) * Can also use (stolen) tems to dismantle for partial refund of crafting parts * Recommended loophole for "ownership" tag of stolen items #14 How customizable are base materials, colors, shapes? (29:26) * Want players to make the base "their own" * Colors, logos, decals (also on foundations) * Connectable buildings #15 Will there be different structure styles in future? (high-tech, shanty, alien) (31:24) * Right now focused on high-tech visual style for release * Already discussed ranching, trading * Next choice: expand current high-tech set with more functionality, or build new aesthetic? #16 How to decorate homes that doesn't get physics jank? (32:40) * "Decorative ER" - mag-lock things into place, only people with perms can move objects * In distant future, will be ways to disable, security-based #17 Can you work together to create a base, or charge fee for players to use base services? (35:18) * Can collaboratively build bases with friends and orgs * Can sell services (crafting & refining machines access, for instance) on base #18 Base player spawning (37:41) * Medbed / hospital imprint building at base for group gathering #19 No bases in caves or on asteroids (38:20) * "Not on roadmap right now" = no #20 Building drones keep working while you're afk / offline (38:35) * If it can't return to its home ship when done, it'll self-destruct and needs "repair" to replace it * Time to build still being determined * Not possible to land on or interfere where people building in-progress #21 Where can space stations be built, and will there be smaller-scale space stations? (40:56) * No plan -at the moment- for physically smaller-scale space stations * Plans & intentions evolving re: necessary players for space station building * Intend to remain open to new tech, feedback, fun factor, changes over time * Space stations can be in depths of space, "largely anywhere" with some limitations #22 Do you receive crafting blueprint for pledged ships? (42:48) * No, has to be earned like everyone else * Can upgrade your pledged ship via research, materials #23 Tier upgrade system: tiers the same for every ship or different? Customizable? How does it work? (43:45) * Still heavily WIP * Current plans: Most BPs upgradeable through research * Refining BP gets more efficient * Repair BP repairs more effective * Creation BPs, higher-tier BP = higher tier item output * Gun example: stat ranges depending on material quality; - higher tier has higher stat range values, - "on average better" but dependent on material input quality * Higher-tier BPs require more and more advanced materials * BPs have "aspects", subcomponents that influence different stats based on material quality * Higher-tier BPs allow choice to which subcomponents, stats improve * "Upgrade Blueprint" for existing items, ships, ship components, - will turn lower-tier item into higher-tier version - existing stats don't matter; only new material inputs will affect stats Note: WIP Balancing act between t1 base version of items, ships, and their potential improvements via crafting. #24 How well will bases blend into surrounding environment? (51:35) * Color tinting to match biome (player choice) * Can place buildings around trees instead of on them, to keep trees * Some buildings increase or reduce signature of base for detection * Terrain manipulation: Don't want full player customization here * Some buildings do light terrain change, like to match stairs to terrain * Majority require foundations to line buildings up correctly #25 Player trading at bases (54:10) * Seller can put goods in freight elevator and connect to a sale kiosk, make Mobiglas ad on "MoTrader" * Seller can "maglock" goods for display for sale, only unlocked if purchased * Buyer can place buy order on Mobiglas ad, asking for delivery at a location * Player trading will be largely base-based, but player choice whether local shops or collab marketplaces #26 Land Claims, current thinking & intention (subject to change, feedback, better ideas): (56:10) * Still part of game design * General plots (build anything) * Cheaper prospector plot (for mining, temporary, smaller size & cost) * Square preview of land claim place or expansion, * Cost scales up w surface area owned on a planet * Beacon skips initial UEC purchase cost & plonks down your square where you want it * Loss of ownership for not paying tax = planetary shield loss, others can claim or raid * Some no-build zones preserved for resources, explo * Exclusion zone around your plot so no one can buy/build to box you in United Munchers, Haulers, and Industrialists send their gratitude! And floss for all the rocks, ships, and rare science bits stuck between teeth around the 'verse!
Couple of questions... 1) Will resources have stats..Will those stats change? 2) If we want to can we allow invited players to build close to our lots? I would really like to be able to build a mini compound/outpost with 3 or 4 of my friends.
"nerfing" is a ignorant whiny gamer term. Which is ignored by all devs. Go read any comment that says "nerf" and it's always about complaining . Rather than giving feedback to actually help balance and fix issues
You know, the carnivorous elevators, doors to abyssal dark places, and cursed NPCs have often made me wonder if the star citizen universe was run by chaos gods.
i do love seeing the very smart people and leaders in their industry talk about how they make this once off product. man i wish the best of luck and success for SC to the mainstream at launch. im buyin it.
@r92871 artificially limiting trading sharing or copying blueprints, while allowing super easy barely inconvenience hacking of security systems and legal records tho? Seems a good way to make it feel like an artificial, fabricated, unrealistic situation. crafting limits should be more about the actual time a recipie takes or the challenge or cost to getting the items it calls for... maybe a special fabricator requires a cooldown.. but limiting your character's ability to just simply do what they know how to do?.. Sometimes it's like they're running " the producers" but as a game.. If the plans are bound then you better lose all those bound ones when death of a spaceman happens... but maybe the smart money says they scrap the death of your character plan and it goes on the "after 1.0" pile.. so to speak
@user-ky8je2qj3z But in real life, you can build something without the previous knowledge of how to do it. Even in construction, professionals still use blueprints in order to know how to build that particular building. Does anybody have access to those blueprints that you have? No. So why would they do that in SC? They wouldn't because it upsets the balance of rewards. These crafting and base blueprints are not "public knowledge," and its important that they aren't. Why should a solo player be able to craft a Bengal? It should require a blueprint from a mission reward from a mission that likely takes an org size man power in order to obtain.
@@NomadHorizon you seem somewhat confused. If I buy a blueprint in real life, or steal one, I can make copies; people who steal them from me can copy them. The consequences I might face from the law should dicourage me from it but cannot artificially prevent those copies being made... so none of the real life points really track... even if a platform has a "read-only" or "display only" setting, someone should be able to jot down or record every dimension and material and step of process whike viewing... otherwise "blueprints" has to just mean "not-user-readable, unhashable file that player/character doesn't so much **learn** as have **attributed** to their inventory" which again is like having digital keys for unlocked catalogue of items/designs." And even then that should be plausible enough to hack or copy when security systems and criminal records are planned as hackable.. so I don't get how the discussion even got confused here.
@@user-ky8je2qj3z Sure, hacking into databases should allow you to hijack information that otherwise isn't publicly known. But also too, if you want to steal blueprints from someone, they said there would be data pads that you can collect that have blueprints on them. Pirates will still be able to hijack those without the need of hacking. I'm sure there will be something in the future to obtain blueprints attributed to someone, but they're just laying out the ground work right now for 4.0 cycle. Things are going to change and ultimately will change so everyone and their play styles will have access in some sort of way to everything.
I'm impressed with the depth of the design for this system and the thought they've put into it. It's clearly been in the works for a while because they weren't thrown by any questions from the community.
I LOVE the variation of ships that will be possible in the crafting system. It basically rolls in the old Overclocking design mechanic and puts it into the crafting process where it is more logical to be, and less RNG.
8:30 The single shard attack method can allow for other players to respond to a beacon either to help defender or assailant w/o having to leave their location vulnerable.
A question about the upgrade process. It was discussed about upgrading a ships speed, or maneuvering thrusters, but would it also be possible to upgrade a ship to equipe a size larger weapon, or shield? Maybe some other components to a size larger then what comes stock?
Isnt tha determined to the hardpoint.. as the components is physicalised. So you cant "make" your shipframe bigger so you can use capital size, insted of Large component f.ex. This would make some crazy ship shapes.. and Im very sure this isnt something CIG wants, or is easy to do.
@@Paisa231 CIG (specifically Jared on isc) has stated that you would be able to put bigger weapons on. But the downside would be slower turning speed for turrets. I don't remember them talking about gimbaled weapons. So not sure if that pertains to just turrets or not.
@David-iz2pc that sounds strange, as the mounting size determine size of weapons along with the physical dimensions. Never heard about that. But you could add a bigger gun on a S5 hard point, but then it get fixed and not gimbled. As that take 1p of your hardpoint. Or he misspoke, and he is not a game director. I would recheck that.
Benoit (Bault) has discussed this in the 4.0 show they did recently, I think it was back in November or October? - TL;DR is that they are aware and they don't like people having to reclaim them by exchanging on the subscriber/gear store. Kiosks will be coming and I imagine it'll be somewhere in the first few 4.x patches.
Crafting isn't years away... we already have some crafting and there is more crafting in 4.0. Even this version isn't YEARS away. Starcitizen pessimists are almost worse than the refund ones.
We "know" nothing. THEY know. Maybe you are right, maybe not. Also what makes you think you get an answer to your question HERE? If anywhere ask on Spectrum.
HAHAHA. Yup. Well you know if more job sites had self-destroying front-loaders and back-hoes, then they would never have to deal with the cabs getting broken into by the occasional teen. Can you imagine explaining that to the insurance company? That you set your million-dollar robot constructions drones to self-destruct on the off chance that you weren't around at the moment they completed their work? Thanks CIG for inventing yet another reason the player has to stop and spend more time and currency to get back on track. This is a 100%, completely unrealistic, and forced scenario.
@@Brightside187 So now we have to claim our ship to get the drones back? Are they going to cost money, like the egregiously overpriced torps? Is it insurance fraud to leave your worn drones out, so you can have shiney new ones? This is causing more problems than it solves.
Any word on aesthetic/visual changes to exterior/interior of ships and weapon/armor models as they're upgraded through the tiers? extra engine nozzles, piping, greeble, armor plates, wires, wider wings etc etc? Shouldn't a tier 5 item be immediately visually/audibly distinguishable from a tier 1 item? Great video guys, I really enjoy these deep dives with devs getting into the details, thanks :)
@@Chris-nx9lz Not exactly, it's not what i'd call a priority, but eventually after 1.0 it would be nice to see/hear a visual and audible change as our stuff gets more performant.
@@JezatoI dunno I wouldn't want my ship to broadcast its tier so openly. If I'm running around in a tier 1 ship or a tier 5 ship. Scanning to find out the tier seems the only fair way to do it
@@Chris-nx9lz Yeah that's a good point, maybe it could be an option aka tick a box during the crafting process to enable the visual changes. It'd be like keeping your ship as a "sleeper" build instead of showing all the extra work you've put into it. Also I think besides liveries and interior item decoration, how else do we differentiate our ships from others? eg, a Hornet at tier 5 specialised for speed and stealth should different to one specialised for tanking damage and manuverability.
I look forward to when these mechanics are no longer being talked about as "ideas" and "plans" and actually something in the game. With something like this, which seems pretty integral for 1.0, it really makes me wonder how far out this new goalpost of 1.0 is
As someone who has been a backer since 2014, the fact that they're making these kinds of videos is a strong indicator that they are actively working on these base-building features and they will be added in one of the next major updates. If CIG isn't actively talking about a feature, it's probably not being worked on and should not be expected anytime soon unless they start talking about it. Since 1.0 includes many features that aren't being actively talked about, don't expect 1.0 for several years. However, you CAN expect that pieces and parts of 1.0 (like base-building) will be out long beforehand.
@@zavierhofstetter3809 I don't know man, they've been "actively working" on a lot of this stuff for a long time and it's not gotten any closer to being in the game
"The only constant is change" Translation: No matter what we say or imply, never believe a word of it because none of this matters and we will continue to treat this like a revenue source, for which completion is anathema.
7:52 "You'll have to change shard to attack this base." So I'm in my base and the sky is clear and everything is good. Some faq decides to attack by base from another shard. Game prompts him to switch (and I assume facilitate the migration) All of a sudden a ship materializes above my house and starts blasting. 10/10 gameplay CIG
Yeah even from the perspective of an attacker that isn't very intuitive. I hope they change how that works eventually, I kind of just want a seamless attack experience that feels more realistic
If I am understanding in-game refinery crafting correctly, I assume there will be in-game NPC locations that offer higher tier quality materials. There would have to be some way for players to get higher quality materials to craft higher tier products that is outside the player-made product loop. Example, going to New Babbage would have higher tier materials versus a asteroid located refinery station.
I think the higher tier (more rare) materials would need to be mined or explored. I'm sure the medium tier materials could be at NPC areas and hidden outposts that have mined them. Basic tier can be found in all stores.
Not exactly, I think the tier of the materials gathered will rely on not only the location in which they are mined, but also the equipment you use to mine them. Some miners may be better at gathering higher tier materials but at a much slower rate due to the delicacy of the extraction. Whereas another miner may be better at quantity but sacrifice quality.
What kind of turrets will we be able to build to defend our player bases? Will it only be the turrets that we have at bunkers in game currently? Will we be able to install PDS turrets to take out bombs and missiles? Will we be able to build/install huge planetary defense cannons that are similar to the size 10 railgun on the Idris? Will we be able to build/install the small player usable turrets currently at bunkers and jumptown? With all these questions about defenses it brings up another question. How will IFF systems work for our bases? Will we be able to use the lists created in the social/org systems to inform a IFF system that will use the turrets to deter miscreants from approaching our bases? Will we be able to install signage at our bases? For instance, a sign that says, "If you break the freight elevator you will lose access to this base!" Can we then automate this system so that if someone does break the freight elevator then they will be added to a list that results in the IFF system flagging that player and deterring them from coming back to our base? Will we be able to hire NPC security forces to defend our base and equip them with heavy armor and F55 LMGs or build towers and assign NPCs to the watch tower with sniper rifles and appropriate armor? In Fallout 4, I gave my settlers legendary weapons, including miniguns, and legendary armor. The only things I didn't give my Fallout 4 settlers was explosives because they didn't understand the concepts of blast radius and friendly fire.
Good to see there are going to be protective measures in place for those of us that just want our space cabin in the woods. It’s sad how the mentality is always how do we steal or destroy places rather than build trade agreements to support each others operation
I am confident that mentality is incorrect. The questions are about stealing, because people want to know how to protect THEIR stuff. It was the exact same with hangar intrusion systems. People asked questions about stealing and trespassing not to learn how to get in, but how to stay safe.
@@mskolnik2 I think it's a mix. EVE's huge battles that made news were always based around station/systems being fought over. The structures have timers, so you knew when you had to defend it. You had to break the shield, it reinforced for x time, then became vulnerable again after the timer. It created really emergent gameplay, but it was also difficult for a small group to claim space as numbers and resources always won out.
9:15 Thank goodness! I was hoping I could just have a home where no one will bother me. Fireplace, coffee machine, comfy chair, cargo stored safely in my underground storage hanger, rainy day….peaceful 😋
I have a suggestion for the "shard" issue. You weave it into a multiverse storyline, and whatever technical limitations we currently have form the rules for that narrative. We can live with that as players, keep it smooooooth. plus interdimensional quantum voids are so cannon
You said i probably can't build a base right up against lorville. This idea actually seems pretty cool. I want an entire player-based market built right on the outskirts of a major city. Make it so!
Follow-up questions on deconstructing bases - Will deconstructing a base involve a process similar to creating the buildings (Drones, time limit, drone supply storage)? Deconstructing sounds a lot like salvage, will salvaging derelict bases be an option? How similar are construction drones and salvage drones, will a base building ship need different drones to construct and deconstruct?
They arent tho. They are telling you about all their stolen mechanics as ragebait/conditioning just part of the illusion to keep extracting money. Lets be real if they say npc come after 1.0 that means even they dont plan to do it
@JustSayingitslore I've seen players towing abandoned ships away from spaceport landing areas, it would be cool for it to be an actual separate profession.
I know there's been talk about people selling Maps as a profession. How about Professional surveyors who can also scan all of these resource deposits and then can sell that info? Is this something that might be in the cards?
I could see this as being a PVE turn in as well, since the people selling the land claims will be very interested to jack the price if they know that there are valuable resources to be had.
There are entire ships whose only purpose is data running. I am confident that professional surveyor will be a job. As they say, once a mineral deposit is used up it respawns somewhere else
@@Ocker3 I'm ambivalent about the resource respawning part. We're looking at starting with 5 systems when 4.0 comes out, each system with multiple planets and few people--why is there a need for resources, outside of plants and animals to respawn at all? When you consider that there will never be billions of people playing the game to gather all the resources that should already be there, it makes no sense. Now, if they mean that "we aren't putting ALL the gold a planet would have on it at the start, so you'll have to do actual searches like humans have done for millennia on Earth to find it, but it may take you a hundred years of game play to mine out a location," I can get behind that. It would make sense. But, they would have to allow for real mining play for that, as well, and I don't think they feel up to that. One can only hope.
Obviously marking locations will be a thing in this game. Makes sense that claimed land would automatically get a marker for convenience, but even without that you can just place one manually. There is a lot of work they have to do with markers for tracking/managing party/fleet/org members/assets etc. I suspect much of that will come as they implement communication tools, hacking gameplay, data trading etc.
Well, that populating and visibility system of player buildings across the shards disappoints me. WTF, separation and no visibility of spawned nodes of different gathering systems and other "professions". :(
I wonder if those will allow additional permanent hangar space at existing landing zones? Maybe you'll get a free second hangar in the Levski asteroid base?
The player base will need a quantum travel point that only that specific player can have, and if he or she wants, he or she can share it with other players. This is going to be needed because the question is going to be how I find my stuff if I fly away(Traditional Discover would also work as how it is applied when encountering caves and such for other players who do not own the base). Also, for Big ships like the 890, players should be able to set a quantum beacon to get back to their Big ship if they decide to use it as a home base. The cutlass side doors need to be fixed so you can use them inside and outside. and it would be best if you gave players the ability to use ground vehicles to open ship doors and drive in via Mobi Glass app. So the player connects to their ship and uses ALT N to open the ALT N to close the door to protect them from always having to get out of the vehicle and enter into the harsh environment.
So in a lawless area like Pyro, if our org doesn't have the shield tech up for that week, does that mean that any player can attack our base on any shard or are they still only able to attack the base on the shard you are on?
I agree with the AFK thing with Bases with an exception I think they need to implement. There are legitimate reasons that You can not log in for an extended period of time, Like when I was in the military being Deployed for up to 15 months to Iraq and Afghanistan. I do think they need to put in place something for those type of situations due to there being real life situations that prevent people from logging in for an extended period of time.
The best solution imo is allowing someone else to pay your bills on your behalf. Would be good to see when they implement the permissions system to allow you to authorize someone else to do that, or authorize someone to dismantle your base and move your stuff to your permanent storage so you don't lose much and can rebuild when you come back if you don't have time to do that yourself. For large bases you will always be better off working with other people anyway. Perhaps selling your base (perhaps temporarily so you can buy it back later) could also be an option. Having dead bases hanging around for years scattered across the landscape (that are completely useless to other players) wouldn't be good for the game.
Those kind of situations fill the land with empty bases just like inactive players normally do. So no. There is plenty of ways around it if you have a few friends anyway. And if not. Well dont build a huge base.
Can we have the Caterpillar modules be industry focused, say a base builder/refiner ? Could we just place Tier 1 Refining and Crafting Stations inside the Cat and get "modularity" this way ?
Imo, ship tier or ship level upgrade shouldn't be a straight-up all round stat upgrade, like speed and acceleration or durability. I would like it to be more specialized, like for hauler, fuel efficiency, and combat focus, fine-tuned axillary thruster for precision aiming vs increase axillary power thruster for better yaw roll or pitch but sacrifice precision movement. It would still be an upgrade but you get to choose what aspect of the ship you want to upgrade rather than just a simple 1 tier upgrade and everything just improved. It's like moding a stock car but spaceship. Hope you guy have an amazing holiday and a happy new years!
That is what they said here and hinted at when they talked about how crafting affects ship speeds. Obviously it is pretty boring if there is only one upgrade path and the only choice is "do I use the best materials or not", this isn't really an interesting choice and good games are all about interesting choices. Obviously they have thought about this and I suspect are not entirely sure yet how far they will take this.
One of the questions that was not asked during the Base Building Q&A, was whether one could do a land (base) claim on an large asteroid. As a miner, I would want my home base/shop on the surface of a large asteroid. Thoughts? Potential? Planned?
All I know is I'm expecting to see Scooters used ship lot at the beautiful Brio's breaker yard where I'm guna be buying my ships for fitty percent off!
Loving this deep dive and clarification of the current plans. One concern. Please don't make base degradation timers as short as ARK Survival. Many people can't play every week. Real life comes first after all.
So I will be able to set up a repair shop and a salvage yard 😁 would I be able to give discounts to the players in a set Org or my friends list and for them to repair even if I am not online ?
44:30 Wait...we can research limited use blueprints to get improved blueprints? What happens when the limited use blueprint runs out? Do we lose all that research? I get the feeling CIG doesn't have a very cohesive plan for the blueprint system. Sounds like they need to drop the "limited use" idea immediately to start off with. .
I'd love to see scavenging ship parts. quantum drives, life support, fuses, weapons, shield generators, and other ship components that you can buy. Can you steal someone's fuel? not directly related to base building but. so far scavenging is limited to materials. not whole parts. and ability to repair or improve based on the players abilities. maybe someone doesn't want to do it and can pay a player with the skills to do it. and ability to put tracking devices on said parts that require hacking to disable.
If I build a base on a remote planet or moon, how can I locate it later? Will a marker be automatically placed on the star map, or can I manually mark and save its position? Additionally, will I be able to share the location with friends, party members, or all players, and is there an option to hide it afterward?
For a large org or a collobration of orgs, can base building allow the construction of city level designs? Can we have tall buildings like area 18? Or is it all going to look like a bunch of huts clusted together, some connect?
On the blueprints: There should be color coding for each category of blueprint (image is colored white,green,blue,yellow,orange,etc) as well as color coding the tiers of blueprints (name is colored). This way it will be clear what kind of blueprint the player is looking at and what grade of blueprint. The image doesn't have to be colored, but it should have a distinct art or graphic style that sets it apart from other types of blueprints.
How does the division of mining work with the arrastra? It is supposed to be a ship for space and ground mining, including the use of ROCs etc. If the pilot can only scan for asteroids or ship sized nodes, then you won't know where to land for the ROC nodes.
Its mainly a space mining vessel, that is able to land some ROCs for ground mining. If it can ground mine itself, maybe. We see when the final flight model is in place, as this would determine what ships can hover or hover efficiently in different atmosphere to be a viable "ground" miner. But they said in these Q&A that they would give incentives to use ROCs over a Prospector. Like mining be beneath forrests, caves, narrow valleys etc Beside that the Arrastra is only mentioned to be a mining ship, so dont expect it to be able to detect every mineral/resource with its own sensors. Ship like the Terrapin is supposed to exell in such. So in this aspect, the Arrastra will likely be requiring assistance to uncover the most valuable or deepest mining sites f.ex If you take the Orion, it is mentioned to be a economy of scale device, to be efficient. Not to be the best, to drain efficiently the smaller mining nodes. I think Arrastra will fall between the Argo Mole and Orion. And with every ship, its requirements, fuel cost, capacity, size, and other upkeep costs will also determine what type of mining fields, and its value it need to mine to be efficient, cost effective and profitable.
Regarding the talk about upgrading items at 48:22, will the materials used originally matter in the quality of the new and upgraded item? World of Warcraft currently has a quite disappointing system where you're almost forced to use best materials from the start, or you'll have to use 3x higher quality materials later on to "overwrite" it by re-crafting it 3 times.
Bases are physicallized structures similar to terrain and are not influenced by gravity the way a player is. That's why you can fall through some geometries in buildings just like planet terrain.
@TuxPenguino they are not physicalized bunkers, landing zones, or cities are however physicalized. Bases are dynamic work the same way the cargo grid works. When Maelstrom comes into play you can break bases but you will not be able to nuke a city and destroy loreville turning it into a assville because they are persistent and exist in sc lore. Have you ever flown a ship and eneded up falling out or inside the planet or stuck in the floor ships and bases are both dynamic and not static.
Dumb question, does the addition of bases mean that ships like the RSI Arrastra or MISC Expanse will be able to have their refineries? Given that base refineries and ship refineries will be by most measures, pretty similar from the games perspective
Sectioning off mining to its method (hand, vehicle, ship) is a great idea! Good call with being able to customize your base (colors), thanks for keeping that in mind.
the camo covered headphones were not a good choice for the background cancellation option used as it tended to phase in and out this part of the headphones (if they didn't have this pattern the issue would not occur).
Literally! This game is the next SWG for me, god I miss crafting on that game, and nothing has come close. I still play Emu and always get deep into the resource markets to become a top crafter on my servers :D
Exactly. I haven't found a game that fills the SWG hole of being a part of an economy. Eve was interesting. Ashes of creation looks promising. But this aspect of having a profession that other profession interact with in SC is very promising direction for players to look into
Q: What if I am not interested in base building. Will I be able to participate in the game fully or will the economic advantages of base building force me to participate in this similar to combat?
@@-Devy- Why do you decline to just type it here? You want me to watch the hour long video on a topic that doesn't interest me to find out of it will be foisted upon me, and it's not indexed as a direct question? And if you're referring to the bit near the beginning where they strongly implied that yes, it would be foisted upon us... that's a bad answer and it was not explicitly stated, so I am asking.
@@-Devy- Wow. Rewatched entire thing, it's not in there. The closest is 2:57 and that actually explicitly only says "you might find it advantageous to use these" but doesn't answer my question: will the economic advantages force me into using them. You sir, are a terrible community member.
Any thoughts on being able to refine materials into higher grades? For example, I have a 100 SCU of grade C iron, and finding the right refinery would let me turn that into 75 SCU of grade B iron. I'm just thinking about all the lonely low-grade materials that won't be bought in the future if there is not something that they can be used for.
During the crafting panels at Citizencon, it sounded like at lest some materials are going to have their quality be less important to the process than others (higher grade just meaning that less is needed). The example used was for higher grade coal requiring less of it, without affecting quality of the created item.
Question I would have like to ask for base building is how does the vegetation affect from a base. When place a building and the trees disappear for the construction can we replace them or place trees and bushes where we want. Also when a building is deconstructed does the terrain return to normal and the tree return or is there now a flat non vegetated plot. I ask this because with the reveal of jungles I would like the hide my building under the canopy making it difficult to see and land ships near the base. It would also hurt the game later down the line if it obvious that bases have been placed all over the place because of the terrain after effects.
40:35 I wish it would be like StarCraft Terran constructions, where drones quickly build a scaffold in the area of the building, effectively “reserving” the space for the building.
I appreciate that hard earned bases will be decently protected. I’ll probably funnel my stuff into a secure spaceport periodically in case I get raided while I’m online.
Here is an idea for stopping "land grabbing"( where a large org uses a ton of beacons to buy up all the available space on a planet or moon before anyone else). Have an Office of Land Management and Claims, OLMC, in the UEE. There is a limit and cool down of the number of open claims a player can have "in processing". Once processed they can start building. The beacons would have a limit of how many registered beacons can be active ( holding a claim). This would be compounded with the idea of each claim being more expensive, preventing large orgs with hundreds of members from working together to exclude a planet from other players
Not sure if I made it clear but the OLMC would be a place on planet you would also have to physically travel to in your ship. And the beacons would have a timeout so that they don't sit forever. Once the claim is processed and the land is yours then it would make sense to be taxed on it
On the Land Claims: I think it would be easier for CIG to implement "No Build Zones" if they write in the creation code of the caves and NPC outposts, to set a certain area around the POI as a No Build Zone. This way, the random gen system "Genesis" will spit out new locations that will automatically have no build zones set for the right size of the POI and the devs just have to look for potential bugs.
Will we be able to dig down, below a copper ground deposit, for example; to locate larger sources of copper, with hand/vehicle mining tools? VERY good show! Perhaps these guys (who seem to be logical and consider gameplay in great detail) should have input on the flight model.
They talked about it some years ago, it is a thought. But at the time, that would require a terraforming mechanic. That is not at the table, to be done by players. But the cave system, is something that could be used. Along with the other issues of what gamers would use/abuse such a system.. So dont expect it, and it would anyway be a post 1.0 feature
This video both got me really excited as a Pioneer owner and leader of citizens but also gave me a ton of anxiety...I am never gonna run out of work lmfao
42:50 If we don't get blueprints to craft the ships we pledged for I'll no longer be spending real money on new ships. The whole reason I pledged for the ships I have was so I can build the ships I own or want but if I don't get blueprints to build my ships that I paid for ill be melting most of what I own and halt anymore purchasing
I'm just wondering about amounts of materials. If making a handgun takes 1 iron and 1 copper, is that literally 2scu? Like the mass of your character or more makes an item that fits in your hand. Can we use 1/8 scu boxes as source material?
I think that they said (during the Citizencon panel) that the ships we have now would be tier 1. Of course, they'll likely rebalance everything several times before that system goes live.
@@randlebrowne2048 Because if it were as you say, ships at level 5 would be extremely mobile etc. Personally, I think current ships should be tier 3 just to balance it out.
you should be able to refine into higher quality low->mid->high in a simple loop. Example: 3 low = 1 mid; 5 mid = 1 high etc. Seems that is the point of refining something
To keep feeding the dreams of future victims. CIG isn’t in the business of video games development: what they developed is the most efficient method to get them where they want by hanging a space carrot in front of people.
I’ll just gently remind you that pyro was once a “speculative” feature, and while it took longer than anyone would like, it’s now around the corner to being playable.
But how are you going you ensure the longevity of these gameplay loops. 5 months after the games release is a new player going to show up and just find planets covered in ghost towns of strip mined land?
You are aware that they addressed that from a sarcastically philosophical place right? They were not seriously surprised but rather busting the community’s “balls”. Either way its still kinda funny
Questions/Time Stamps
2:57 What can player bases be used for?
7:03 How does all this work with shards?
9:09 How will this look like in terms of offline raiding and base defences?
10:44 What's our current plan for how planetary shields will work?
11:33 Will mining extractors and other processors automatically eject boxes, allowing anyone to tractor them away?
13:13 Will underground deposits respawn over time and, how is the overall rarity of minerals accounted for in the economy?
16:41 Can we deconstruct buildings, and how is this done?
18:11 How does crafting change existing gathering methods such as mining and salvage?
26:19 Will there be limited use blueprints?
27:17 Can you trade blueprints?
28:28 Can we use stolen materials to craft?
29:29 How customizable will buildings be in terms of materials, colours, shapes?
31:35 Will there be different styles of structures in the future?
32:51 How will we be able to decorate our homes in a way that there isn't physics jank?
35:18 Can you work together to create a base? Or can you charge a fee for using a bases services?
37:41 Can you spawn in your base or group bed log?
38:20 Bases in caves or asteroids?
38:37 Can we start a build using our drones from something like the Starlancer, then leave?
39:58 What happens when people try to park their Idris where you're trying to build your base?
40:55 Where can space stations be built? Smaller space stations for smaller groups?
42:48 If you pledge for a ship, will you receive a blueprint to craft it?
43:51 WTF the upgrade system? How does this work?
51:35 How well will bases blend into the surrounding environment?
54:11 How will player trading at bases work?
56:54 What are our current intentions on how land claims will work?
Merry Christmas, Merry Luminalia, and a Happy New Year!!!
See you all next year!! Cheers 🍻
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Thanks
Once again, the fans doing the work CIG should have done.
I ❤ you too Star Citizen.
@@private_citizen People assuming what they should do always makes me chuckle.
Summary:
#1 The only constant in Game Dev is change!
#2 Player bases uses:
* backbone of player to player interaction, personal activity hubs,
* focus on player choice (many small, one large, specialized, generalist)
* nearly every core gameplay loop will have basebuilding equiv, which will grow as features grow
#3-5 bases are visible and useable across all shards (7:10)
* Planet-shielded bases unraidable, undamageable (10:45)
* If you're online, players can only raid base on your shard, but everyone can see & use base
* (9:08) If you're offline, attacks on base can happen on single server shard only, everyone can see & use base
Best practice: offload valuables often, build base shields, turret defenses.
Will be more updates on this later as tech evolves
#5 Planetary shields same in high sec, low-sec / lawless (10:45)
* all buildings immune to attack, theft
* air shield vs. bombardment
#6 Do extractors, processors auto-eject or need manual ejection? (11:34)
* most crafters can hold output in buffer
* can tell them to auto-eject, protected from theft by permissions
* some output auto to freight storage
#7 Underground mineral deposits respawn, rarity & economy? (13:09)
* Respawn in new locations, "mobile temp bases" concept for extraction, industry
* sources & sinks, careful balance between inflation & useability
* WIP challenge to get system design & ingame economy balanced this way
#8 Building deconstruction (16:42)
* Drones disassemble, auto-fill material to freight elevator
* Some, not all material refunded
* Flexibility to adapt base over time
* Items disassemble, too, but volatile / rare materials not refunded
#9 Mining & Salvage Changes (18:10)
* Single-resource rocks with quality
* Redesign to biome-based, geography-based resource locations, player knowledge aspect
* More clear & logical, esp. for newer players; don't "have to" datamine to learn
* Profession matters: Ship miners find ship mining deposits, FPS, ground vehicle
* Resources divvied by profession; all three (ship, vehicle, FPS) mining necessary
* Salvage will allow construction stuffs to choose output type
#10 Limited-use blueprints? (26:20)
* SOME are cooldown-based, or limited total uses
#11 Blueprint Trading (27:18)
* Yes: "found" datapads in lootcrates (until DL'd to char)
* No: direct credit from reputation or mission rewards
#12 "Whatever our version of an auction house will be" (28:20)
#13 Can use stolen materials to craft (28:28)
* Can also use (stolen) tems to dismantle for partial refund of crafting parts
* Recommended loophole for "ownership" tag of stolen items
#14 How customizable are base materials, colors, shapes? (29:26)
* Want players to make the base "their own"
* Colors, logos, decals (also on foundations)
* Connectable buildings
#15 Will there be different structure styles in future? (high-tech, shanty, alien) (31:24)
* Right now focused on high-tech visual style for release
* Already discussed ranching, trading
* Next choice: expand current high-tech set with more functionality, or build new aesthetic?
#16 How to decorate homes that doesn't get physics jank? (32:40)
* "Decorative ER" - mag-lock things into place, only people with perms can move objects
* In distant future, will be ways to disable, security-based
#17 Can you work together to create a base, or charge fee for players to use base services? (35:18)
* Can collaboratively build bases with friends and orgs
* Can sell services (crafting & refining machines access, for instance) on base
#18 Base player spawning (37:41)
* Medbed / hospital imprint building at base for group gathering
#19 No bases in caves or on asteroids (38:20)
* "Not on roadmap right now" = no
#20 Building drones keep working while you're afk / offline (38:35)
* If it can't return to its home ship when done, it'll self-destruct and needs "repair" to replace it
* Time to build still being determined
* Not possible to land on or interfere where people building in-progress
#21 Where can space stations be built, and will there be smaller-scale space stations? (40:56)
* No plan -at the moment- for physically smaller-scale space stations
* Plans & intentions evolving re: necessary players for space station building
* Intend to remain open to new tech, feedback, fun factor, changes over time
* Space stations can be in depths of space, "largely anywhere" with some limitations
#22 Do you receive crafting blueprint for pledged ships? (42:48)
* No, has to be earned like everyone else
* Can upgrade your pledged ship via research, materials
#23 Tier upgrade system: tiers the same for every ship or different? Customizable? How does it work? (43:45)
* Still heavily WIP
* Current plans: Most BPs upgradeable through research
* Refining BP gets more efficient
* Repair BP repairs more effective
* Creation BPs, higher-tier BP = higher tier item output
* Gun example: stat ranges depending on material quality;
- higher tier has higher stat range values,
- "on average better" but dependent on material input quality
* Higher-tier BPs require more and more advanced materials
* BPs have "aspects", subcomponents that influence different stats based on material quality
* Higher-tier BPs allow choice to which subcomponents, stats improve
* "Upgrade Blueprint" for existing items, ships, ship components,
- will turn lower-tier item into higher-tier version
- existing stats don't matter; only new material inputs will affect stats
Note: WIP Balancing act between t1 base version of items, ships, and their potential improvements via crafting.
#24 How well will bases blend into surrounding environment? (51:35)
* Color tinting to match biome (player choice)
* Can place buildings around trees instead of on them, to keep trees
* Some buildings increase or reduce signature of base for detection
* Terrain manipulation: Don't want full player customization here
* Some buildings do light terrain change, like to match stairs to terrain
* Majority require foundations to line buildings up correctly
#25 Player trading at bases (54:10)
* Seller can put goods in freight elevator and connect to a sale kiosk, make Mobiglas ad on "MoTrader"
* Seller can "maglock" goods for display for sale, only unlocked if purchased
* Buyer can place buy order on Mobiglas ad, asking for delivery at a location
* Player trading will be largely base-based, but player choice whether local shops or collab marketplaces
#26 Land Claims, current thinking & intention (subject to change, feedback, better ideas): (56:10)
* Still part of game design
* General plots (build anything)
* Cheaper prospector plot (for mining, temporary, smaller size & cost)
* Square preview of land claim place or expansion,
* Cost scales up w surface area owned on a planet
* Beacon skips initial UEC purchase cost & plonks down your square where you want it
* Loss of ownership for not paying tax = planetary shield loss, others can claim or raid
* Some no-build zones preserved for resources, explo
* Exclusion zone around your plot so no one can buy/build to box you in
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And floss for all the rocks, ships, and rare science bits stuck between teeth around the 'verse!
If you make a big post on youtube, always draft in notepad or somewhere else just in case. 👍That's the lesson I've learned as well.
Wow this is the best comment ive seen full video synopsis! Much appreciated!
@@HarleyHyena I started doing it for my org since we're rabid rock munchers and crafters in other games. Figured I should post here, too!
Bro you are legend
Couple of questions...
1) Will resources have stats..Will those stats change?
2) If we want to can we allow invited players to build close to our lots? I would really like to be able to build a mini compound/outpost with 3 or 4 of my friends.
With the nerf to fuel tanks. Does that mean you will fix pad refueling and Starfarer refueling?
hahahahahaha
The marketing team that post this doesn't care.
starfarer refueling is has some major bugs fixed in 4.0 so yeah
"nerfing" is a ignorant whiny gamer term. Which is ignored by all devs. Go read any comment that says "nerf" and it's always about complaining . Rather than giving feedback to actually help balance and fix issues
@@Sentrme and balancing is a dev term the community knows is just a nice way of saying nerfing. The complaints are valid.
I need a wacky waving inflatable arm flailing tube man for my shop.
2:47 "the only constant is change"
Tzeentch confirmed!
You know, the carnivorous elevators, doors to abyssal dark places, and cursed NPCs have often made me wonder if the star citizen universe was run by chaos gods.
i do love seeing the very smart people and leaders in their industry talk about how they make this once off product. man i wish the best of luck and success for SC to the mainstream at launch. im buyin it.
Being able to trade the physical blue prints before they get attributed is a good way for players to share knowledge with their friends
@r92871 artificially limiting trading sharing or copying blueprints, while allowing super easy barely inconvenience hacking of security systems and legal records tho? Seems a good way to make it feel like an artificial, fabricated, unrealistic situation.
crafting limits should be more about the actual time a recipie takes or the challenge or cost to getting the items it calls for... maybe a special fabricator requires a cooldown.. but limiting your character's ability to just simply do what they know how to do?..
Sometimes it's like they're running " the producers" but as a game..
If the plans are bound then you better lose all those bound ones when death of a spaceman happens... but maybe the smart money says they scrap the death of your character plan and it goes on the "after 1.0" pile.. so to speak
@user-ky8je2qj3z But in real life, you can build something without the previous knowledge of how to do it. Even in construction, professionals still use blueprints in order to know how to build that particular building. Does anybody have access to those blueprints that you have? No. So why would they do that in SC? They wouldn't because it upsets the balance of rewards. These crafting and base blueprints are not "public knowledge," and its important that they aren't. Why should a solo player be able to craft a Bengal? It should require a blueprint from a mission reward from a mission that likely takes an org size man power in order to obtain.
@@NomadHorizon you seem somewhat confused. If I buy a blueprint in real life, or steal one, I can make copies; people who steal them from me can copy them.
The consequences I might face from the law should dicourage me from it but cannot artificially prevent those copies being made...
so none of the real life points really track...
even if a platform has a "read-only" or "display only" setting, someone should be able to jot down or record every dimension and material and step of process whike viewing...
otherwise "blueprints" has to just mean "not-user-readable, unhashable file that player/character doesn't so much **learn** as have **attributed** to their inventory" which again is like having digital keys for unlocked catalogue of items/designs."
And even then that should be plausible enough to hack or copy when security systems and criminal records are planned as hackable..
so I don't get how the discussion even got confused here.
@@user-ky8je2qj3z Sure, hacking into databases should allow you to hijack information that otherwise isn't publicly known. But also too, if you want to steal blueprints from someone, they said there would be data pads that you can collect that have blueprints on them. Pirates will still be able to hijack those without the need of hacking. I'm sure there will be something in the future to obtain blueprints attributed to someone, but they're just laying out the ground work right now for 4.0 cycle. Things are going to change and ultimately will change so everyone and their play styles will have access in some sort of way to everything.
I'm impressed with the depth of the design for this system and the thought they've put into it. It's clearly been in the works for a while because they weren't thrown by any questions from the community.
I LOVE the variation of ships that will be possible in the crafting system. It basically rolls in the old Overclocking design mechanic and puts it into the crafting process where it is more logical to be, and less RNG.
As an initial sale Pioneer owner who loves base-building, all this sounds great guys. Good work CIG, now make it happen. 😊
8:30 The single shard attack method can allow for other players to respond to a beacon either to help defender or assailant w/o having to leave their location vulnerable.
A question about the upgrade process. It was discussed about upgrading a ships speed, or maneuvering thrusters, but would it also be possible to upgrade a ship to equipe a size larger weapon, or shield? Maybe some other components to a size larger then what comes stock?
Isnt tha determined to the hardpoint.. as the components is physicalised. So you cant "make" your shipframe bigger so you can use capital size, insted of Large component f.ex. This would make some crazy ship shapes.. and Im very sure this isnt something CIG wants, or is easy to do.
@@Paisa231 CIG (specifically Jared on isc) has stated that you would be able to put bigger weapons on. But the downside would be slower turning speed for turrets. I don't remember them talking about gimbaled weapons. So not sure if that pertains to just turrets or not.
@David-iz2pc that sounds strange, as the mounting size determine size of weapons along with the physical dimensions. Never heard about that.
But you could add a bigger gun on a S5 hard point, but then it get fixed and not gimbled. As that take 1p of your hardpoint. Or he misspoke, and he is not a game director.
I would recheck that.
Item Recovery Kiosks, we all know, crafting is still years away, so whats the status on the kiosks to get our stuff back ?
Benoit (Bault) has discussed this in the 4.0 show they did recently, I think it was back in November or October? - TL;DR is that they are aware and they don't like people having to reclaim them by exchanging on the subscriber/gear store. Kiosks will be coming and I imagine it'll be somewhere in the first few 4.x patches.
Crafting isn't years away... we already have some crafting and there is more crafting in 4.0. Even this version isn't YEARS away. Starcitizen pessimists are almost worse than the refund ones.
@@Cromeium Dont worry, you'll get there eventually too, give it a few more years and broken promises and lies from the devs and marketing department.
We "know" nothing. THEY know. Maybe you are right, maybe not. Also what makes you think you get an answer to your question HERE? If anywhere ask on Spectrum.
@@robertmandl9326 ask that on spectrum and you’ll get a 24 hour ban or at best your question will get plunged into oblivion
OK... so what'll you guys at CIG do with the RSI Galaxy?
What do you mean? They already re-confirmed again after the mix-up that its getting a building module.
@@Optix334Not what they said.
@@Optix334 No they didn't. They said they "might" revisit it. I.E get bent.
@@Optix334 That's exactly what I meant.
WHAT? In what future would we want our drones to self-destruct, rather than just shut down and lock, awaiting pickup?
It’s a resource sink like what they were talking about at the start of the show
Also, less clutter for the PES system
HAHAHA. Yup. Well you know if more job sites had self-destroying front-loaders and back-hoes, then they would never have to deal with the cabs getting broken into by the occasional teen. Can you imagine explaining that to the insurance company? That you set your million-dollar robot constructions drones to self-destruct on the off chance that you weren't around at the moment they completed their work? Thanks CIG for inventing yet another reason the player has to stop and spend more time and currency to get back on track. This is a 100%, completely unrealistic, and forced scenario.
@@Brightside187 So now we have to claim our ship to get the drones back? Are they going to cost money, like the egregiously overpriced torps? Is it insurance fraud to leave your worn drones out, so you can have shiney new ones? This is causing more problems than it solves.
@@Brightside187 You mean, the PES system that's initial purpose is to allow players to leave things around so they can interact with it later?
@@Brightside187 So they explode into a fine mist that gets blown away? 😆
Any word on aesthetic/visual changes to exterior/interior of ships and weapon/armor models as they're upgraded through the tiers? extra engine nozzles, piping, greeble, armor plates, wires, wider wings etc etc? Shouldn't a tier 5 item be immediately visually/audibly distinguishable from a tier 1 item?
Great video guys, I really enjoy these deep dives with devs getting into the details, thanks :)
Do you really want them to go back and build 5 versions of each ship? It will likely just have the tier listed in scan data
@@Chris-nx9lz Not exactly, it's not what i'd call a priority, but eventually after 1.0 it would be nice to see/hear a visual and audible change as our stuff gets more performant.
@@JezatoI dunno I wouldn't want my ship to broadcast its tier so openly. If I'm running around in a tier 1 ship or a tier 5 ship. Scanning to find out the tier seems the only fair way to do it
@@Chris-nx9lz Yeah that's a good point, maybe it could be an option aka tick a box during the crafting process to enable the visual changes. It'd be like keeping your ship as a "sleeper" build instead of showing all the extra work you've put into it.
Also I think besides liveries and interior item decoration, how else do we differentiate our ships from others? eg, a Hornet at tier 5 specialised for speed and stealth should different to one specialised for tanking damage and manuverability.
I look forward to when these mechanics are no longer being talked about as "ideas" and "plans" and actually something in the game. With something like this, which seems pretty integral for 1.0, it really makes me wonder how far out this new goalpost of 1.0 is
PS: If fundings wont crash that is. They realy need to implement playerprogression and endgamecontent asap
As someone who has been a backer since 2014, the fact that they're making these kinds of videos is a strong indicator that they are actively working on these base-building features and they will be added in one of the next major updates. If CIG isn't actively talking about a feature, it's probably not being worked on and should not be expected anytime soon unless they start talking about it. Since 1.0 includes many features that aren't being actively talked about, don't expect 1.0 for several years. However, you CAN expect that pieces and parts of 1.0 (like base-building) will be out long beforehand.
@@zavierhofstetter3809 I don't know man, they've been "actively working" on a lot of this stuff for a long time and it's not gotten any closer to being in the game
great work i will in the future buy my first ship! me and many others are excited to get into the game once you complete these things
"The only constant is change"
Translation: No matter what we say or imply, never believe a word of it because none of this matters and we will continue to treat this like a revenue source, for which completion is anathema.
7:52 "You'll have to change shard to attack this base." So I'm in my base and the sky is clear and everything is good. Some faq decides to attack by base from another shard. Game prompts him to switch (and I assume facilitate the migration) All of a sudden a ship materializes above my house and starts blasting.
10/10 gameplay CIG
Do you have confirmation it will work this way or are you just assuming?
guy would be waking up in a hub before blasting your base
Yeah even from the perspective of an attacker that isn't very intuitive. I hope they change how that works eventually, I kind of just want a seamless attack experience that feels more realistic
Calming non-build areas national parks makes a good idea. Love it. ❤
If I am understanding in-game refinery crafting correctly, I assume there will be in-game NPC locations that offer higher tier quality materials. There would have to be some way for players to get higher quality materials to craft higher tier products that is outside the player-made product loop. Example, going to New Babbage would have higher tier materials versus a asteroid located refinery station.
I think the higher tier (more rare) materials would need to be mined or explored. I'm sure the medium tier materials could be at NPC areas and hidden outposts that have mined them. Basic tier can be found in all stores.
Not exactly, I think the tier of the materials gathered will rely on not only the location in which they are mined, but also the equipment you use to mine them. Some miners may be better at gathering higher tier materials but at a much slower rate due to the delicacy of the extraction. Whereas another miner may be better at quantity but sacrifice quality.
What kind of turrets will we be able to build to defend our player bases? Will it only be the turrets that we have at bunkers in game currently? Will we be able to install PDS turrets to take out bombs and missiles? Will we be able to build/install huge planetary defense cannons that are similar to the size 10 railgun on the Idris? Will we be able to build/install the small player usable turrets currently at bunkers and jumptown?
With all these questions about defenses it brings up another question. How will IFF systems work for our bases? Will we be able to use the lists created in the social/org systems to inform a IFF system that will use the turrets to deter miscreants from approaching our bases?
Will we be able to install signage at our bases? For instance, a sign that says, "If you break the freight elevator you will lose access to this base!" Can we then automate this system so that if someone does break the freight elevator then they will be added to a list that results in the IFF system flagging that player and deterring them from coming back to our base?
Will we be able to hire NPC security forces to defend our base and equip them with heavy armor and F55 LMGs or build towers and assign NPCs to the watch tower with sniper rifles and appropriate armor? In Fallout 4, I gave my settlers legendary weapons, including miniguns, and legendary armor. The only things I didn't give my Fallout 4 settlers was explosives because they didn't understand the concepts of blast radius and friendly fire.
Good to see there are going to be protective measures in place for those of us that just want our space cabin in the woods. It’s sad how the mentality is always how do we steal or destroy places rather than build trade agreements to support each others operation
I´m with you on this one. I personally dream of my own little spot, open to all friendly souls who might need its services. In peace, not in pieces.
@ I want to open a bar and grill in the hills of microtech serving the best space cow steaks in the system 🍻.
@@flightsimulatoradventures7246 And I`d like to visit that bar and grill for a nice meal and a little relaxation.
I am confident that mentality is incorrect.
The questions are about stealing, because people want to know how to protect THEIR stuff.
It was the exact same with hangar intrusion systems. People asked questions about stealing and trespassing not to learn how to get in, but how to stay safe.
@@mskolnik2 I think it's a mix. EVE's huge battles that made news were always based around station/systems being fought over. The structures have timers, so you knew when you had to defend it. You had to break the shield, it reinforced for x time, then became vulnerable again after the timer. It created really emergent gameplay, but it was also difficult for a small group to claim space as numbers and resources always won out.
This was great, very informative Q&A, we need more of these, plz do one on ai blades
Thanks guys for your hard work. Much appreciated. O7
9:15 Thank goodness! I was hoping I could just have a home where no one will bother me. Fireplace, coffee machine, comfy chair, cargo stored safely in my underground storage hanger, rainy day….peaceful 😋
I have a suggestion for the "shard" issue. You weave it into a multiverse storyline, and whatever technical limitations we currently have form the rules for that narrative. We can live with that as players, keep it smooooooth.
plus interdimensional quantum voids are so cannon
You said i probably can't build a base right up against lorville. This idea actually seems pretty cool. I want an entire player-based market built right on the outskirts of a major city. Make it so!
He said "There will be ways to disable maglock I believe," I heard "Here's an excellent idea for April Fool's Day pranks!" :D
Follow-up questions on deconstructing bases - Will deconstructing a base involve a process similar to creating the buildings (Drones, time limit, drone supply storage)? Deconstructing sounds a lot like salvage, will salvaging derelict bases be an option? How similar are construction drones and salvage drones, will a base building ship need different drones to construct and deconstruct?
So will the in-game stores will no longer sell "limitless" parts and weapons? Its going to a player crafted economy?
It sounded to me like npc stores would be selling tier 0 items, with higher tiers being locked behind reputation or crafting.
The tier 1 economy is basically NPC driven, above that is player driven.
Thank you guys for building SWG 2.0
They arent tho. They are telling you about all their stolen mechanics as ragebait/conditioning just part of the illusion to keep extracting money. Lets be real if they say npc come after 1.0 that means even they dont plan to do it
You should let players find missing ships for other players
100% or working for the insurance company to pick up claimed ships.
@Frank-costanza yes that would make things better
@JustSayingitslore I've seen players towing abandoned ships away from spaceport landing areas, it would be cool for it to be an actual separate profession.
@@Frank-costanza ikr. SRV can made a lot job there
Thats the job for a Terrapin or equilent, and part of finding derelict ships and sites of interest.
I know there's been talk about people selling Maps as a profession. How about Professional surveyors who can also scan all of these resource deposits and then can sell that info? Is this something that might be in the cards?
I could see this as being a PVE turn in as well, since the people selling the land claims will be very interested to jack the price if they know that there are valuable resources to be had.
There are entire ships whose only purpose is data running. I am confident that professional surveyor will be a job. As they say, once a mineral deposit is used up it respawns somewhere else
@@Ocker3 I'm ambivalent about the resource respawning part. We're looking at starting with 5 systems when 4.0 comes out, each system with multiple planets and few people--why is there a need for resources, outside of plants and animals to respawn at all? When you consider that there will never be billions of people playing the game to gather all the resources that should already be there, it makes no sense.
Now, if they mean that "we aren't putting ALL the gold a planet would have on it at the start, so you'll have to do actual searches like humans have done for millennia on Earth to find it, but it may take you a hundred years of game play to mine out a location," I can get behind that. It would make sense. But, they would have to allow for real mining play for that, as well, and I don't think they feel up to that.
One can only hope.
I don't think I've heard this mentioned, but if we put down a base then fly away, will it get a marker of some kind?
And to expand on this: Can we QT to our base once it has been started?
😂 no you will have to take a box mission and leave it there
I'd would guess this would be a given. As well as the ability to QT to it.
Obviously marking locations will be a thing in this game. Makes sense that claimed land would automatically get a marker for convenience, but even without that you can just place one manually. There is a lot of work they have to do with markers for tracking/managing party/fleet/org members/assets etc. I suspect much of that will come as they implement communication tools, hacking gameplay, data trading etc.
Well, that populating and visibility system of player buildings across the shards disappoints me.
WTF, separation and no visibility of spawned nodes of different gathering systems and other "professions". :(
40:42 you can't park there mate
What about my asteroid hanger?
I wonder if those will allow additional permanent hangar space at existing landing zones? Maybe you'll get a free second hangar in the Levski asteroid base?
Absolutely incredible, hyped!
Great news about being able to upgrade our pledge ships to the highest quality and tier 👍🏻
Yes. But I believe if it's destroyed and doesn't have a level 3 insurance, the version you get back will be a base tier 1.
The player base will need a quantum travel point that only that specific player can have, and if he or she wants, he or she can share it with other players. This is going to be needed because the question is going to be how I find my stuff if I fly away(Traditional Discover would also work as how it is applied when encountering caves and such for other players who do not own the base). Also, for Big ships like the 890, players should be able to set a quantum beacon to get back to their Big ship if they decide to use it as a home base. The cutlass side doors need to be fixed so you can use them inside and outside. and it would be best if you gave players the ability to use ground vehicles to open ship doors and drive in via Mobi Glass app. So the player connects to their ship and uses ALT N to open the ALT N to close the door to protect them from always having to get out of the vehicle and enter into the harsh environment.
في المستقبل البعيد وبفضل التكنولوجيا المتقدمة سوف يتساوى الخيال مع الواقع ويمتلك الإنسان قوى الآلهة ليحول الكون والأكوان المتعددة إلى جنة خالدة ❤
So in a lawless area like Pyro, if our org doesn't have the shield tech up for that week, does that mean that any player can attack our base on any shard or are they still only able to attack the base on the shard you are on?
You’ll be safe. No other orgs will be able to get out their habs and if they do they won’t be able to afford to attack you 😂
They spoke about some shields you can build by yourself
@@matteobarbarini3120 Those do sound like they'd be able to be defeated by ground attack though.
I agree with the AFK thing with Bases with an exception I think they need to implement. There are legitimate reasons that You can not log in for an extended period of time, Like when I was in the military being Deployed for up to 15 months to Iraq and Afghanistan. I do think they need to put in place something for those type of situations due to there being real life situations that prevent people from logging in for an extended period of time.
The best solution imo is allowing someone else to pay your bills on your behalf. Would be good to see when they implement the permissions system to allow you to authorize someone else to do that, or authorize someone to dismantle your base and move your stuff to your permanent storage so you don't lose much and can rebuild when you come back if you don't have time to do that yourself. For large bases you will always be better off working with other people anyway. Perhaps selling your base (perhaps temporarily so you can buy it back later) could also be an option. Having dead bases hanging around for years scattered across the landscape (that are completely useless to other players) wouldn't be good for the game.
Those kind of situations fill the land with empty bases just like inactive players normally do. So no. There is plenty of ways around it if you have a few friends anyway. And if not. Well dont build a huge base.
Can we have the Caterpillar modules be industry focused, say a base builder/refiner ? Could we just place Tier 1 Refining and Crafting Stations inside the Cat and get "modularity" this way ?
If you're doing a pass on salvage you might as well "fix" the reclaimer claw.
Imo, ship tier or ship level upgrade shouldn't be a straight-up all round stat upgrade, like speed and acceleration or durability. I would like it to be more specialized, like for hauler, fuel efficiency, and combat focus, fine-tuned axillary thruster for precision aiming vs increase axillary power thruster for better yaw roll or pitch but sacrifice precision movement. It would still be an upgrade but you get to choose what aspect of the ship you want to upgrade rather than just a simple 1 tier upgrade and everything just improved. It's like moding a stock car but spaceship. Hope you guy have an amazing holiday and a happy new years!
That is what they said here and hinted at when they talked about how crafting affects ship speeds. Obviously it is pretty boring if there is only one upgrade path and the only choice is "do I use the best materials or not", this isn't really an interesting choice and good games are all about interesting choices. Obviously they have thought about this and I suspect are not entirely sure yet how far they will take this.
One of the questions that was not asked during the Base Building Q&A, was whether one could do a land (base) claim on an large asteroid. As a miner, I would want my home base/shop on the surface of a large asteroid. Thoughts? Potential? Planned?
CIG bringing the human nature of minmaxing into overdrive!
All I know is I'm expecting to see Scooters used ship lot at the beautiful Brio's breaker yard where I'm guna be buying my ships for fitty percent off!
How much is this?
"Schfifty five!"
Loving this deep dive and clarification of the current plans. One concern. Please don't make base degradation timers as short as ARK Survival. Many people can't play every week. Real life comes first after all.
So I will be able to set up a repair shop and a salvage yard 😁 would I be able to give discounts to the players in a set Org or my friends list and for them to repair even if I am not online ?
😂 you won’t be able to get out of the elevator to get a ship to build a base
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44:30 Wait...we can research limited use blueprints to get improved blueprints? What happens when the limited use blueprint runs out? Do we lose all that research? I get the feeling CIG doesn't have a very cohesive plan for the blueprint system. Sounds like they need to drop the "limited use" idea immediately to start off with. .
will you be able to build space stations in a lawful system?
They said yes and you can build them anywhere you want not just above a planet.
I'd love to see scavenging ship parts. quantum drives, life support, fuses, weapons, shield generators, and other ship components that you can buy. Can you steal someone's fuel? not directly related to base building but. so far scavenging is limited to materials. not whole parts. and ability to repair or improve based on the players abilities. maybe someone doesn't want to do it and can pay a player with the skills to do it. and ability to put tracking devices on said parts that require hacking to disable.
I've only seen a few seconds so far but Deck seems to be giving off some big Deckland energy
I wonder how much of this will be in a post 1.0 release and how much will be in the launch of base building
If I build a base on a remote planet or moon, how can I locate it later? Will a marker be automatically placed on the star map, or can I manually mark and save its position? Additionally, will I be able to share the location with friends, party members, or all players, and is there an option to hide it afterward?
For a large org or a collobration of orgs, can base building allow the construction of city level designs? Can we have tall buildings like area 18? Or is it all going to look like a bunch of huts clusted together, some connect?
I think addressing the offline raiding is a good idea and look forward to 4.0! The Polaris is SICK btw
On the blueprints:
There should be color coding for each category of blueprint (image is colored white,green,blue,yellow,orange,etc) as well as color coding the tiers of blueprints (name is colored). This way it will be clear what kind of blueprint the player is looking at and what grade of blueprint.
The image doesn't have to be colored, but it should have a distinct art or graphic style that sets it apart from other types of blueprints.
Will you be able to build a base 'close' Ish to Lorville or New Babbage? So you can Navigate to the city then commute locally to your base?
How does the division of mining work with the arrastra? It is supposed to be a ship for space and ground mining, including the use of ROCs etc. If the pilot can only scan for asteroids or ship sized nodes, then you won't know where to land for the ROC nodes.
Its mainly a space mining vessel, that is able to land some ROCs for ground mining. If it can ground mine itself, maybe. We see when the final flight model is in place, as this would determine what ships can hover or hover efficiently in different atmosphere to be a viable "ground" miner. But they said in these Q&A that they would give incentives to use ROCs over a Prospector. Like mining be beneath forrests, caves, narrow valleys etc
Beside that the Arrastra is only mentioned to be a mining ship, so dont expect it to be able to detect every mineral/resource with its own sensors. Ship like the Terrapin is supposed to exell in such. So in this aspect, the Arrastra will likely be requiring assistance to uncover the most valuable or deepest mining sites f.ex
If you take the Orion, it is mentioned to be a economy of scale device, to be efficient. Not to be the best, to drain efficiently the smaller mining nodes. I think Arrastra will fall between the Argo Mole and Orion. And with every ship, its requirements, fuel cost, capacity, size, and other upkeep costs will also determine what type of mining fields, and its value it need to mine to be efficient, cost effective and profitable.
Any limits going to be implemented to prevent land barons buying up huge tracts of land holding them and then reselling for exorbitant prices?
Regarding the talk about upgrading items at 48:22, will the materials used originally matter in the quality of the new and upgraded item? World of Warcraft currently has a quite disappointing system where you're almost forced to use best materials from the start, or you'll have to use 3x higher quality materials later on to "overwrite" it by re-crafting it 3 times.
Seriouse question since falling through planets is a thing as of recently again will our bases also fall throught the planet or just our furniture?
Bases are physicallized structures similar to terrain and are not influenced by gravity the way a player is. That's why you can fall through some geometries in buildings just like planet terrain.
@TuxPenguino they are not physicalized bunkers, landing zones, or cities are however physicalized.
Bases are dynamic work the same way the cargo grid works. When Maelstrom comes into play you can break bases but you will not be able to nuke a city and destroy loreville turning it into a assville because they are persistent and exist in sc lore.
Have you ever flown a ship and eneded up falling out or inside the planet or stuck in the floor ships and bases are both dynamic and not static.
Not a serious question. Recommend you watch the Citizencon video on basebuilding.
@robertmandl9326 already did when it was live thanks man.
@@robertmandl9326it is a very valid question given the state of the game and the fact these bugs last decades 😂
Dumb question, does the addition of bases mean that ships like the RSI Arrastra or MISC Expanse will be able to have their refineries? Given that base refineries and ship refineries will be by most measures, pretty similar from the games perspective
Sectioning off mining to its method (hand, vehicle, ship) is a great idea! Good call with being able to customize your base (colors), thanks for keeping that in mind.
Next they sell us base paints. Yeah, good idea. /s
I agree. It’ll let them balance each experience individually. I assume there will be some crossover.
I would have liked to know if crafting stations can be placed on ships. :(
the camo covered headphones were not a good choice for the background cancellation option used as it tended to phase in and out this part of the headphones (if they didn't have this pattern the issue would not occur).
Best info imo! Crafting n all that is why I'm here. Love the SWG references
Literally! This game is the next SWG for me, god I miss crafting on that game, and nothing has come close. I still play Emu and always get deep into the resource markets to become a top crafter on my servers :D
Exactly. I haven't found a game that fills the SWG hole of being a part of an economy. Eve was interesting. Ashes of creation looks promising. But this aspect of having a profession that other profession interact with in SC is very promising direction for players to look into
Q: What if I am not interested in base building. Will I be able to participate in the game fully or will the economic advantages of base building force me to participate in this similar to combat?
Literally answered in the video.
@@-Devy- Why do you decline to just type it here?
You want me to watch the hour long video on a topic that doesn't interest me to find out of it will be foisted upon me, and it's not indexed as a direct question?
And if you're referring to the bit near the beginning where they strongly implied that yes, it would be foisted upon us... that's a bad answer and it was not explicitly stated, so I am asking.
@@scottyryeyou want the answer, it is in the video, so watch it.
@@Ed_Patrick no, there is no answer to that question, they don't care
@@-Devy- Wow. Rewatched entire thing, it's not in there. The closest is 2:57 and that actually explicitly only says "you might find it advantageous to use these" but doesn't answer my question: will the economic advantages force me into using them. You sir, are a terrible community member.
Any thoughts on being able to refine materials into higher grades? For example, I have a 100 SCU of grade C iron, and finding the right refinery would let me turn that into 75 SCU of grade B iron. I'm just thinking about all the lonely low-grade materials that won't be bought in the future if there is not something that they can be used for.
During the crafting panels at Citizencon, it sounded like at lest some materials are going to have their quality be less important to the process than others (higher grade just meaning that less is needed). The example used was for higher grade coal requiring less of it, without affecting quality of the created item.
Question I would have like to ask for base building is how does the vegetation affect from a base. When place a building and the trees disappear for the construction can we replace them or place trees and bushes where we want.
Also when a building is deconstructed does the terrain return to normal and the tree return or is there now a flat non vegetated plot.
I ask this because with the reveal of jungles I would like the hide my building under the canopy making it difficult to see and land ships near the base.
It would also hurt the game later down the line if it obvious that bases have been placed all over the place because of the terrain after effects.
Last video of the year? Are you not doing an Anvil Paladin Q&A while it’s on concept sale?
Will we be able to craft the red alert armors?
So is it safe to say that we won't be getting blueprints for pledge shop Gear purchases? (armor/weapons/attachments, etc) ?
So all bases can be seen?
40:35 I wish it would be like StarCraft Terran constructions, where drones quickly build a scaffold in the area of the building, effectively “reserving” the space for the building.
My dear developers, can you guys please add alien civilisations and titan mech suits in the next patch notes?? Then it'd be a great game indeed.
I appreciate that hard earned bases will be decently protected. I’ll probably funnel my stuff into a secure spaceport periodically in case I get raided while I’m online.
Here is an idea for stopping "land grabbing"( where a large org uses a ton of beacons to buy up all the available space on a planet or moon before anyone else). Have an Office of Land Management and Claims, OLMC, in the UEE. There is a limit and cool down of the number of open claims a player can have "in processing". Once processed they can start building. The beacons would have a limit of how many registered beacons can be active ( holding a claim). This would be compounded with the idea of each claim being more expensive, preventing large orgs with hundreds of members from working together to exclude a planet from other players
Not sure if I made it clear but the OLMC would be a place on planet you would also have to physically travel to in your ship. And the beacons would have a timeout so that they don't sit forever. Once the claim is processed and the land is yours then it would make sense to be taxed on it
On the Land Claims:
I think it would be easier for CIG to implement "No Build Zones" if they write in the creation code of the caves and NPC outposts, to set a certain area around the POI as a No Build Zone. This way, the random gen system "Genesis" will spit out new locations that will automatically have no build zones set for the right size of the POI and the devs just have to look for potential bugs.
Will we be able to dig down, below a copper ground deposit, for example; to locate larger sources of copper, with hand/vehicle mining tools?
VERY good show! Perhaps these guys (who seem to be logical and consider gameplay in great detail) should have input on the flight model.
They talked about it some years ago, it is a thought. But at the time, that would require a terraforming mechanic. That is not at the table, to be done by players. But the cave system, is something that could be used. Along with the other issues of what gamers would use/abuse such a system.. So dont expect it, and it would anyway be a post 1.0 feature
Any thoughts on a release date ?
Thorsten ist einer von uns 😉
This video both got me really excited as a Pioneer owner and leader of citizens but also gave me a ton of anxiety...I am never gonna run out of work lmfao
Sounds like they're going to make mining less unique and more like mining in every other game.
Unique doesn't automatically equate to good.
And thats good 🙂
42:50 If we don't get blueprints to craft the ships we pledged for I'll no longer be spending real money on new ships. The whole reason I pledged for the ships I have was so I can build the ships I own or want but if I don't get blueprints to build my ships that I paid for ill be melting most of what I own and halt anymore purchasing
I'm just wondering about amounts of materials. If making a handgun takes 1 iron and 1 copper, is that literally 2scu? Like the mass of your character or more makes an item that fits in your hand. Can we use 1/8 scu boxes as source material?
What is the state of upgrade (level) of the current ships now in the game compared to the new system?
I think that they said (during the Citizencon panel) that the ships we have now would be tier 1. Of course, they'll likely rebalance everything several times before that system goes live.
@@randlebrowne2048 Because if it were as you say, ships at level 5 would be extremely mobile etc. Personally, I think current ships should be tier 3 just to balance it out.
you should be able to refine into higher quality low->mid->high in a simple loop. Example: 3 low = 1 mid; 5 mid = 1 high etc. Seems that is the point of refining something
what's even the point of discussing or asking questions about "speculative" features years away from being in-game?
You must be new 😂
@@enwerd7050 He may be also very old here.
To keep feeding the dreams of future victims. CIG isn’t in the business of video games development: what they developed is the most efficient method to get them where they want by hanging a space carrot in front of people.
Bingo @@StaffyDoo
I’ll just gently remind you that pyro was once a “speculative” feature, and while it took longer than anyone would like, it’s now around the corner to being playable.
Datarunning Gameplay when?
🤣🤣🤣 you wish
So what im gonna need you to do is look up “heat death of the universe” sometime around then👍
Never.
so when if ever will mining be fixed?
But how are you going you ensure the longevity of these gameplay loops. 5 months after the games release is a new player going to show up and just find planets covered in ghost towns of strip mined land?
We need a loot grinder to get base materials out of found items
I laugh how they are surprised the first thing people want to do is destroy other people's bases. Have they ever played a PVP MMO before?
Right? Have they met their community? Years of encouraging "piracy" from CIG.
You are aware that they addressed that from a sarcastically philosophical place right? They were not seriously surprised but rather busting the community’s “balls”. Either way its still kinda funny
Exciting video. We are glad for the news. And as a preliminary base, you could finally add Kraken, for which we have been waiting for so long.
Well they showed it in the Nyx video so maybe…? Then?