Will AI Destroy The Hobby?

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  • @wendihamlett105
    @wendihamlett105 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    I follow a creator that recently started appearing in his videos (not fish keeping). He specifically says in the intro that he started appearing because he was accused if being AI. Keep up the great work!

  • @peytonhenry9039
    @peytonhenry9039 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Yall should do topics outside of fish with a small fish segment. Most the people that watch these pods like you as well as fish

  • @420blazinOG
    @420blazinOG 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

    The best (fish) podcast in the world!!

  • @DGGuaglianone
    @DGGuaglianone 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    John needs to make every KGTropicals thumbnail those beautiful Oscars.

  • @hepaaquatics8947
    @hepaaquatics8947 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Hey Guy, I am enjoying your podcast, and I will say this, what you are talking about is exactly what seem to be happening in the music industry and like you are saying this seem to be the begin….

  • @DGGuaglianone
    @DGGuaglianone 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    “Out of the Ball Park” gentlemen. 🎉

  • @sarahjohnson3996
    @sarahjohnson3996 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Total nostalgia over the mention of Cyberdyne

  • @DGGuaglianone
    @DGGuaglianone 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Every aquarium hobbyist needs to see this. Instagram is bloated with unnatural photos.

  • @alexanderdaubert5656
    @alexanderdaubert5656 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +17

    I’m gonna make an ai page where it’s just your videos but with you having hair

    • @darthplagueis3400
      @darthplagueis3400 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Make the hair interesting not just a regular haircut ; long hair Mohawk etc lol

    • @TheTankTalkPodcast
      @TheTankTalkPodcast  16 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

      Haha : -)

    • @420blazinOG
      @420blazinOG 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@alexanderdaubert5656 Id pay money to see them both in man buns!

    • @byz513
      @byz513 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Man buns😊

  • @FlowstateAquatics
    @FlowstateAquatics 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    I'm actually super pro AI generally, but I have issues with some of the lower quality implementations, mainly because they are just not pleasant to look at. I'm not sure if some smaller creators who use AI imagery are just using outdated image generation models or what but they can be taxing on the eyes. Those are my only gripes, fundamentally using it as a tool doesn't bother me at all. The world is moving that direction anyway and I think it would be unwise to write off an entire emerging toolset ambiguously.

  • @christinatilson95
    @christinatilson95 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    I really don’t feel like using AI in your thumbnails is a big deal. I come here for the conversation and the social aspect of hanging out with other fish addicts like me.

  • @katryn77
    @katryn77 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    One major downside to certain AI thumbnails/images is the potential for people who don't know better to be set up for disappointment. Eg., if you buy a 55g setup because you loved the fish in a thumbnail only to find out that fish doesn't and cannot exist, you can create some considerable ill will. And you can never be certain a beginner will know better, because most actually don't.

  • @donandsharonfralick7642
    @donandsharonfralick7642 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Although I'm not necessarily a fan of AI; I do think I have a good sense of humor & do not have a problem with you guys doing AI thumbnails & other. You guys always give really good serious advice & have fun. Yeah some videos are crazy & fake stuff content with AI & I don't like that.

  • @Whips_World
    @Whips_World 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

    Now, aside from the thumbnail opinion I already shared, AI does scare me more than a little.
    I have sat through videos talking about how the computer generated images and voices will eventually be so good that they'll be able to do nearly anything.
    One extreme example was, AI went in and gathered all the information it could on this couple's 8 to 10 year old daughter off from TH-cam, Facebook, and Instagram. It took recordings of their daughter's voice, duplicated it, and quickly learned how to speak on its own. They then used it to call mom, telling her she was in trouble and that she needed money. What parent wouldn't do whatever they could for their kid in that scenario? Only later, when the family is out whatever money the system asked for, would they understand none of it was real.
    A second example, using the same little girl and her family, used some sort of aging process, and the little girl was transformed into a woman in her late teens or early 20s. It then too video of her it had been able to generate, and had her saying and doing things (I think you can imagine what horrible things I'm intentionally not saying) that would put serious strains on personal relationships with mothers and fathers, significantothers and even employers.
    It was, in a word, terrifying.

    • @pubwvj
      @pubwvj 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

      No. That was not an AI. That was humans using software tools to scam. Do not confuse scammers and AI.

  • @Whips_World
    @Whips_World 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

    My, "I'll say it to your face" point is this.
    If you don't get the John Conner references KGTropicals John is using, you're doing life wrong, and your parents failed you.

  • @SleeperBBQ
    @SleeperBBQ 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    I'm way more afraid of what they don't want you to know about AI

  • @BKAqua
    @BKAqua 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Ai thumbnail is fine, is actually cool.

  • @solrosenberg3587
    @solrosenberg3587 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Another good thanks guys!

  • @DGGuaglianone
    @DGGuaglianone 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    I was curious how AI has affected Professor Jason Adams in the classroom. I’ve heard many rumors about ai papers being written in colleges and the only way they’re catching the papers is plagiarism detection.

    • @TheTankTalkPodcast
      @TheTankTalkPodcast  13 วันที่ผ่านมา

      The AI papers are still easy to catch right now - Jason

  • @BParker55
    @BParker55 7 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I used AI to help with species stocking in my mbuna tank as well as filtration setup from the filters to the overall flow including wave makers. Then it also suggested all of my media to put in them. It also then had great suggestions just as an overall setup checklist.
    It got it 100% correct and it is a successful tank with a great assortment if color. 👍🏻

  • @guilhermeluck3525
    @guilhermeluck3525 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    I reached KGT videos in Portuguese The mix of bizarre pronounce and literal translations that really dont make sense make them absolutelly hilarious.
    Nevertheless, KGT motivated me to reconnect with the hobby after decades (and to practice English too).

    • @TheTankTalkPodcast
      @TheTankTalkPodcast  16 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      I bet that is entertaining! : -)

    • @guilhermeluck3525
      @guilhermeluck3525 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      I enjoy, respect and value kgt content. Your guys are great!... and Tank talk is the best podcast of the galaxy and midle earth here too !

  • @jameshalper5864
    @jameshalper5864 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I have used AI to help me design and stock a 10 gallon aquarium. It was amazingly helpful and interactive. I think the maintain control and not become reactive to AI.

  • @kallunsheppard2378
    @kallunsheppard2378 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Like I did say on the prime time aquatics video it's a tool if you view it in that context your fine just don't let it do all the work

  • @KarynJacobson
    @KarynJacobson 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

    My hope is that Google will try to get control of the stealing of content.You guys worked a very long time in your lives to build your channels and your following .I can,t believe that someone could come and steal it all..😎😎😎😎

  • @elvinsworld11
    @elvinsworld11 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Nice

  • @dingodave3966
    @dingodave3966 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    No fish were killed in the making of this podcast😅

  • @bluecollarfox913
    @bluecollarfox913 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Please can you guys discuss the topic of an “ALL MALE AFRICAN CICHLID tank vs MIXED GENDER”. Pros and cons, aggression, does it actually help? Affect on Colors, any other things?

    • @TheTankTalkPodcast
      @TheTankTalkPodcast  16 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Love it!

    • @bluecollarfox913
      @bluecollarfox913 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @ I literally can’t wait. Been waiting for your opinion on this for ever haha. I currently have an all male tank and sometimes I wonder if it’s the best move

  • @MalawiCichlidsRVA
    @MalawiCichlidsRVA 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Slow down on the grape kool aid John 😂

  • @sum1liteamatch
    @sum1liteamatch 15 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I don't mind the thumbnails, but i am an adult who understands efficiency and ease of use. Im not sure why people have to act like babies whenever AI gets brought up

  • @Whips_World
    @Whips_World 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +20

    Okay, so yeah, AI is scary, but for someone to be threatening to leave a channel because they use it for their thumbnail pic? Give me a break. Grow up, people. Your inability to think for yourself is showing.

    • @TheTankTalkPodcast
      @TheTankTalkPodcast  16 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

      Ya, it's a little tough seeing people not follow a channel for a thumbnail if the rest of the video is a real person.

    • @byz513
      @byz513 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Furrrealzzz

    • @mitymac
      @mitymac 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      trolls will be trolls 🤪

    • @peadrianlastname
      @peadrianlastname 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      I think it's dumb too, but I can see where they're coming from: "you're either 100% real or not real at all", which serves well in many situations but not TH-cam thumbnails, even the real ones aren't ever in the video

    • @Whips_World
      @Whips_World 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      @peadrianlastname Right? I mean, the thumbnail is just a representation of what the video is about... usually. It's the clowns who use other... images ...to draw people in that the whole Anti AI argument is justified.

  • @TheFishingNomad
    @TheFishingNomad 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

    18:24 This will never have the impact you think it will have. What you are describing here is what already exists. People for years have put knowledge out into the world and others have taken it and benefited from it. The only change is that AI will now distribute it instead of another person distributing it. A dirted tank with a sand cap being called a "Father Fish" tank instead of a "Walsted" tank is what you are describing and it hasn't hurt the hobby. Pardon my spelling.

  • @ProdigalAquarist
    @ProdigalAquarist 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

    Great topic. I find the thumbs down button very useful when I come across faceless videos with AI voice. And as John has shown in a few of his KGTropicals videos, human beings on TikTok can be every bit as dangerous for the hobby as AI videos have the potential to become. Conversely, the best things for our hobby are usually your independent LFS, and certainly a local hobbyist club.

    • @Whips_World
      @Whips_World 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      @ProdigalAquarist The thumbs down is definitely not useful. It's still interaction, which is what the content creator is looking for. It's best not to click or reply at all if you really want to hurt the video's algorithm.

  • @GrowMoreVeggies
    @GrowMoreVeggies 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

    As a visual artist (graphic design and illustration) I don't fear the blending of workflow and the use of Ai to assist in the creation of art, I do fear that people will accept the Ai standard as art---like people will accept ai gen content as truth.
    People say art is subjective, and to a degree it is, but you can boil down a lot of what people like down to a handful of elements and just start cranking out commercial dribble like hygger does with their filters. They can create thousands of variations, but only need one to sell. Ai removes the human from art.
    As an artist, a content creator, it's a bit demoralizing to know you're going up against the machine and humanity is really okay with that...based on the numbers we're already seeing.
    The number of views and likes on some of those really bad ai videos indicate that people don't care. It's a wild time to be a creator.

  • @redneckvermonter
    @redneckvermonter 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

    As a computer programmer who has written programs to make decisions, Ai is just programms to give you advice/ facts or create pictures based on what you give it for informations. It still takes someone i n the background to give the AI machine data or facts. This could be biased on how the input person feels or want to have the outcome be. Do mot trust AI, it is not possible for a computer to learn on its own.

  • @donnauk2493
    @donnauk2493 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Yeah I've seen videos of dogs with a voice over and the mouth movements have line up and yeah it's funny stuff but in the wrong hands that is scary because people always take things to far 😊

  • @knyghtryder3599
    @knyghtryder3599 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Wasn't this skynet ?

    • @TheTankTalkPodcast
      @TheTankTalkPodcast  13 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      They made the cyberdyne system. Haha

  • @doublybubblysoap9734
    @doublybubblysoap9734 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

    ❤❤❤❤

  • @robinreid2055
    @robinreid2055 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

    AI? why are glowfish so popular/expensive?

    • @Whips_World
      @Whips_World 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @robinreid2055 Theyre popular because kids and old people like them and think they're "pretty".
      They're expensive because they're popular.

  • @HapiPETSWM
    @HapiPETSWM 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

    It’s a win lose, in the sense that it’s huge time saver if you don’t have time or ability. But it’s a lose of the content is not choreographed to the message and misleading if only shows created imagery. Thumbnails are not really a problem, everything from ads to labels uses them so a picture doesn’t make a difference if the video it shows is to do the with subject matter. It’s no different than animation, in the sense it can be used to exaggerate or potentiate content. That swings both ways in the sense if it creates draw and the video doesn’t hold it up it becomes associated with fabrication. As to if the image supports the videos claims it creates a more dynamic story to be heard. The example I used previously was mark tremonti’s new music video, the mother, the earth and I. That video was 200% Ai generated minus marks contributions of playing and singing. To him it’s great because what was done in 15 minutes and access to a credit card saved thousands of dollars and months to years to create for a digital media team. Personally I think it looks great but becomes odd and muddy with strange details. But it is something that should seem as a tool as to become a purpose for making content. Then there’s the recreation problem. That’s theft and I’ve seen it go from personal to professional realms 100 times over. Original thought will always win over repackaged ideas, it shows and feels so it should wiped away like a smudge because it overshadows everything behind it including the original. Stay happy and healthy my friends!

  • @donandsharonfralick7642
    @donandsharonfralick7642 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I get AI generated answers sometimes when asking fish questions. I always look for real content though. Scarry for new fish keepers.

  • @AnthonyJunker
    @AnthonyJunker 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I agree with Whip and Prodigal Aquarist. I don't blindly trust anything even real humans say because EVERYTHING in fish keeping is about CONTEXT. I've listened to dozens of podcasts and have a bunch of friends that work in computer science and software engineering, and the "AI is ruining things" or the "AI is scary" tropes are getting old. If you chose not to think for yourself, AI is dangerous, but so is the rest of the world. So lets cover what AI does and can do.
    1) Currently, there are AI programs that are being designed to track the health and growth of your fish and water parameters. This is good, because it will augment the fishkeeper and provide a second opinion on your personal observations.
    2) You can ask AI questions and get responses much faster than asking a TH-camr, and the answers are not that much worse than TH-camrs, because again, everything is about CONTEXT.
    3) Using the right AI is important, I mainly use Perplexity, because its consistency is good and it provides citations that are easy to access. For example, perplexity cites real journal articles or online content like Jason's TH-cam videos, which has happened to me.
    4) The more misleading AI generated content on the internet, the more real, verified humans become valuable. I fundamentally agree with Jason on how AI stolen content from creators will reduce the value of new information, however, similar to what John said, tech companies will boost their AI capacities to counteract this while users who know basic thinking skills will flock to verified humans with good content. This means that even new fish keepers will be fine so long as they can think for themselves.
    5) Click-bait is click-bait, whether it is made by AI or humans. The riff-raff humans and AI making misleading content will always be present to take advantage of people who don't want to think for themselves. If AI makes better sensational content with unverifiable narratives and people enjoy it, then let them have it. But eventually serious fans of real knowledge will latch onto accounts with consistently verifiable, and interesting content.
    6) Social media monitization is changing, clicks and watch time are not the only way to make money. When in niche fields, like fishkeeping, the average mid-grade and above TH-camr now supplements with merch and subscriptions.
    7) To use AI currently it must augment both real content creators and users. John used a great example of the good AI could do with translating into several different languages, the issue was that he was using Joe Rogan's voice. In the next few years, John will be able to feed his own voice into an AI system (from all his videos) and speak Hindi, Spanish, Portuguese, French etc.
    8) Transparency is key, I don't mind content creators using AI generated content so long as they explicitly say what is and isn't AI augmented. For example, I write some blog posts with an AI and I cite which AI I used. When you use AI, PLEASE cite which AI you use, include version, and the prompt in your show notes (which you didn't do). This is positive too because maybe your audience will want to play with the AI you've been using while you also boost your transparency. Remember, not all AI is created equal.

  • @WeipoMingpo
    @WeipoMingpo 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

    (Imagine Siri voice) It's a question how far. As a retired old school artist. Ai has the potential to eliminate creativity. I was an animator, and to keep up with the Jones, I had to learn CG. Will Ai eliminate animators? BTW John I just eliminated your (Man Card).😅

    • @jerrygoebel9152
      @jerrygoebel9152 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Were you trying to keep up with Chuck Jones?

  • @Whips_World
    @Whips_World 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    I plan on stealing someone's (I have no idea how to find out who's) content idea here very soon, for I know it's been done before by multiple people even within the relatively small group we have here as aquarium content creators.
    I'm going to do an "Ask Me Anything" series. One of the things I'm going to do, if I can't find someone locally to do it, is create an AI person to ask the questions my subscribers have sent in.
    All I can say is, if the use AI for that sort of thing bothers you, best buckle up, buttercup. You're about to be bothered! 😆
    (potentially anyway, if I can't find the aforementioned local real-life person).

    • @adelinawarriner6259
      @adelinawarriner6259 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

      i just stop dealing with those channels, Apps and people .

    • @Whips_World
      @Whips_World 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Noted

  • @Snitzel12345
    @Snitzel12345 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    Something you missed regarding thumbnails is that it takes work away from artists...you might not have hired an artist anyway but with AI available people definitely won't

  • @ashenwalls3558
    @ashenwalls3558 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I'm really not a fan of AI, but I know it's a runaway train at this point. I would be happier to see art made by people, but that's also probably wickedly out of your price range.

  • @danbrown8979
    @danbrown8979 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

    AI will take over image usage, unfortunately. Photographers and artist will be hurt badly. Just like small mom and pop retailers are hurt by Amazon. People don't care about the ethics of either, they just want the cheapest, easiest path.

  • @KarynJacobson
    @KarynJacobson 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

    AI is something that we don,t need in the Hobby so why are we even having this discussion about this kinda stuff😅😅😅

  • @tapprs
    @tapprs 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Another scary thing, you're talking about adults who can better discern reality vs ai. How do we help our kids navigate this and know and value the real deal?

    • @TheTankTalkPodcast
      @TheTankTalkPodcast  16 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Such a great point!

    • @qweed54
      @qweed54 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      As a teacher, can confirm that it’s the adults you have to worry about lol my students can always tell which is which 😂

  • @tentyme1
    @tentyme1 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I didn’t recognize any of those names accept Joe Rogan lol.

  • @MalawiCichlidsRVA
    @MalawiCichlidsRVA 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Easy on the prune juice John jk lol

  • @ddaquarium3531
    @ddaquarium3531 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    This is not coming. There is no way I can have a connection with Ai .I subscribe to someone because I can relate to them are we have the same opinion about something .No one is subscribing to a Chanel with Ai running it

    • @TheTankTalkPodcast
      @TheTankTalkPodcast  16 วันที่ผ่านมา

      There are quite a few out there already with many 100s of thousands of subs, unfortunately.

  • @brantonlightcap
    @brantonlightcap 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Man card revoked! Just kidding. I can do a pretty good female voice myself

  • @KarynJacobson
    @KarynJacobson 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Some of the content on TH-cam especially on the sports and politics side things are lies 🇺🇲🏈🇺🇲🇺🇲

  • @robertwayman7974
    @robertwayman7974 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Thumbnails and humor videos are great entertainment. (we can all use a laugh) Getting knowledge and information from AI is garbage put in by some idiot..

  • @BLASTER95_TTV
    @BLASTER95_TTV 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    I could think of 30 better topics in 5 seconds.

    • @TheTankTalkPodcast
      @TheTankTalkPodcast  16 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      Us too - thus the reason why we have a backlog of 100 : -)

  • @Blowncaraudio
    @Blowncaraudio 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

    That thumbnail is horrible.

  • @cindylundberg125
    @cindylundberg125 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

    People just need to get a life.

  • @michaellavella2377
    @michaellavella2377 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I think you're making a mountain out of a molehill. For the hobby, people will look for real information given by real people. Keeping fish isn't simple. It requires some math and science. People with that level of intelligence will be able to understand a good video from a knowledgeable person vs a crap one. Anyone misled by an AI video probably wouldn't do well or stick with the hobby anyway.
    As for stealing content, you don't need AI to do that. Bootlegs and stolen clips have been around longer than i have. I wouldn't be surprised if scribes stole from each other thousands of years ago. You even point out the videos you find with your stolen info don't do well, so that's already proven to not be an issue.
    We can already do deep fake videos, too. They weren't used to any great effect beyond comedy for this election. And i don't think people will care enough about aquariums to make malicious deep fakes. Hobbies don't get attacked like that.
    Finally, I'll mention Fish For Thought. Chris has a weekly show that shows terrible tick tock fish trends. Again, it didn't take any advanced technology to make money on view for bad fishkeeping.
    All of that said, the market will regulate itself as it does with everything else. If people want AI videos, they will flourish. If they don't want them, they will fail.
    As for my opinion, i think the voices are grating as hell and I've clicked off of videos that probably had good info or builds that used the auto translate just because i can't stand them. So i think quality voices would be nice and t really help the global community spread more info and techniques.

  • @bogdanpropeck
    @bogdanpropeck 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    Make Aquariums Great Again !!!!

    • @420blazinOG
      @420blazinOG 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      😮

    • @tentyme1
      @tentyme1 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

      They never stopped being great!!

    • @bogdanpropeck
      @bogdanpropeck 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@tentyme1 I got you but still the numbers are showing there is a decrease in the whole activity. This is what they are confirming on the podcast.

    • @tentyme1
      @tentyme1 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @ I know but they still never stopped being great. Just the fly by night people did.

    • @bogdanpropeck
      @bogdanpropeck 15 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@tentyme1 and I completely agree with you, try to look at that the possibility that this will be a good benefit to much more people and bring peace of mind for those who need. So far I have converted many many friends and they see the benefits. I am sure your voice will find an echo round you. God bless you my friend

  • @adelinawarriner6259
    @adelinawarriner6259 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    i will stop if yall go to AI voice/content.

    • @TheTankTalkPodcast
      @TheTankTalkPodcast  16 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Never going to happen!

    • @adelinawarriner6259
      @adelinawarriner6259 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @Whips_World difference between us? I don't think you are weak cause you prefer a computer to do your think for you .

    • @adelinawarriner6259
      @adelinawarriner6259 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@TheTankTalkPodcast several channels have.. one lost about 2/3 of their viewers in 4 days