Murray & Martin was a perfect duo for F1. 2 completely different men but it worked. And the way both sounded so confused on what was happening with M Schumacher was fabulous.
@@ThePilot598 the reason he did it is because FIA were freaking braindead and informed Ferrari of the penalty too late when there was like 2 laps left in the race. So Schumi found a way to screw them over the way they almost screwed over him.
That 3 race penalty 1994. and then Damon gained points. Ridiculous Brit politics. Only reason he got close to Schumi because of that ban. Crush them in 1995 and of course that slow Ferrari bucket 1996 he still showed why he is the best.
He DELIBERATELY took Damon off in 1994. He got away with it. Same tactic in 1997 with Jacques Villeneuve - didn't get off with it that day. Monaco qualifying 2006 - deliberately parked it to screw Fernando over. He didn't do anything cleanly.
He was a cheat, pure and simple. Very good driver, yes, but also a cheat. Loved having wins handed to him as well. Not as good as his record suggests. Lewis is far better and doesn’t need to cheat to win.
ITV here were FTA. Schumacher passed Wurz to lap him under a yellow flag at Club corner on lap 43. FTA broadcast didn’t pick it up. PPV (F1 digitial) did. Certainly on the 1998 review. PPV had more information available compared to FTA. A reason why Walker and Brundle (and many FTA broadcasters) were unsure or ambiguous as to what the penalty was for.
Brundle and Murray didn’t stop commentating when ITV went for a break. They continued to commentate as their commentary was broadcast in Australia and other markets.
A protest was lodged by McLaren-Mercedes who felt Ferrari cheated by not having Schumacher serve the penalty, but this was rejected by the FIA.[3] At the hearing for the protest the International Court of Appeal confirmed that the stewards have made several mistakes in issuing a 10-second time penalty for an incident that happened outside of the last 12 laps of a race while exceeding the allowed time limit for the notification of a penalty having been issued.[3] As a result of their mistakes, the three stewards involved handed in their licenses at an extraordinary meeting of the FIA World Council. Wiki Ferrari thought them a lesson unconsciously. Changed rules and so on. Cccc
@@rohitmurthy9666 No, there was no gray area. Rules are clear: drive through is meant during the race, never after the race. But if you pay a lot of money to someone, then you create a gray area.
@@ThePilot598 It's FIA's duty to make rules ironclad and foolproof. Any loopholes are not ferarri's problem and they'll (or anyone for that matter) only be happy to exploit it.
@@utuberme1 True champions like Senna, Mansell, Hakkinen, Alonso do not need loopholes or gray areas. They won championships with pure speed and talent. Only Schumacher needs to seek loopholes.
@@utuberme1 Winning through pit lane, crashes with Hill, Villeneuve, Montoya... Illegal car bur never a penalty, "let Michael pass for the championship"... Schumacher will be never a great champion like Senna, Prost, Hakkinen, Alonso...
Ah these times in F1 were amazing, when the rest of the teams got some attention and close up shots when they were brawling it out in the centre, instead of only seeing Hamilton and Verstappen.
you sound like a moron who doesnt watch f1, if you actually watched f1 live races and not just highlights on youtube like the zoomer restart you are, youd see the mid field cars get more camera time than the top racers and it has always been like that. there is no content in watching a car drive alone with no competition obviously the cameras are going to focus on the action and thats the mid field, sure theyll show the top guys sometimes but barely compared to highlights, but keep going off of highlights moron
"That's the guy who puts the captions up Murray. He's not the stewards". "He gets official information. I'll go with that until someone tells me officially that that is not the situation". 😂 I love Murray and Martin.
Even if there was a loophole or something like that, Schumacher finished the race before he served the penalty. Anything that happens after crossing the finish line is irrelevant. He can get out of the car and start dancing moonwalk, but it won’t be considered as a racing offence, since the race is officially over. It was over when he was serving the penalty, so it is pretty bizzare that they let him keep the victory
They let him keep the victory because the stewards fucked up - as Martin says in this video, this should have been a +25s on MSC’s race time, as the penalty was delivered with fewer than 5 laps to go.
The problem is that the race director made a mistake because a penalty should be issued in 25 minutes from the action but it was given after 35 minutes, so ferrari had everything to accuse the FIA, and to avoid ferrari suing them, they let Schumacher keep the win
You need to read the rules as they were written. The rules said that upon being served with a penalty you must serve that penalty by driving into the pits within 3 laps. MS drove into the pits within 3 laps to serve his penalty. The race was not over when he drove into the pits to serve the penalty. The race was however over as the Ferrari box was posited after the finish line. Brilliant and correct interpretation of the rules.
I always thought it was a unfair win. The penalty was "Stop and go", but he just entered the pitlane and stopped when the race was already over. // It would be a fair move if the finish line were AFTER the Ferrari's box, crossing the finish line AFTER stopping but still in the pitlane.
The "unfair" part was actually how indecisive the stewards had been that day, as illustrated by this excerpt: _Following the race a dispute arose surrounding the circumstances of Michael Schumacher being issued with and serving his penalty. His team argued that the penalty should have been issued within 25 minutes of the incident but instead they were informed after 31 minutes. They also argued that the hand-written notification was unclear as to which penalty was actually being issued: a stop-and-go, or a 10-second addition to Schumacher's race time, though the FIA's International Court of Appeal later clarified that it was the latter. The stewards then decided to nevertheless apply the 10-second addition, post-race. However, the added time penalty can only be used to punish an infraction in the last 12 laps of a Grand Prix, and so did not apply here. The stewards eventually rescinded the penalty altogether._ All in all, an indecisiveness that would've fucked Ferrari's race so they decided to take this action to _repay the favor_
I remember the race (it held 6 hours before my first FIFA World Cup Final, Brazil-France 0-3), bad decision by race stewards to call Schumacher to make a stop and go penalty on the final lap😕 FIA next day fired them and did it well
I am new to f1. But Schumacher was given a stop and go penalty (10 seconds I think) for passing someone during a yellow flag. He pitted as the penalty required. I guess because Ferrari had their pit box ahead of the finish line, he technically passed it. Meaning once he served his penalty, his race officially ended. The objection to this would be first technically the penalty was served after ending but because second didn't pass him until the penalty was served, it was dismissed. Under the idea that if served before passing the results would be the same. But the hidden advantage of that move was, Schumacher never had to complete a slow exit of the pit, as he would of needed if served in a previous lap. What isnt shown here it at a later hearing it was decided the Marshall's apparently waited too long to call the penalty, and while accepted the win was unfair, the fact the marshalls were wrong, made stripping the win from Schumacher unfair. Those Marshall's were fired or quit.
Should be before, although in the end, the pit lane line didn't matter because the penalty was waved. So Schumacher would have won even if he didn't pit.
I believe micheal schumacher realised he could win the race by crossing the finish line it the pit lane NOT the team strategists,like or hate him what a brilliant mind to race and work that one out !
It was a fair win because the penalty was not a penalty and they even revoked it afterwards. All 3 race stewards were fired as a result. So without the fuck up of the stewards, there would not even have been this situation. Ferrari did the best they could to avoid losing the race to stupidity and more likely corruption. Without any doubt Michael would have won with nearly 30sec ahead in the rain. He was lapping 3 seconds faster... There is no doubt it was a legitimen win.
They, wanted to do that, but they couldn't. Rules back then stated that this would only be possible if the penalised incident happend within the last 20% of the race distance, in case of Silverstone back then, within the last 12 laps, which wasn't the case here. Also, the penalty was later rewoked anyway.
Michael won, because he finished the race in the first position. In other words, he crossed the finish line in the lead. This means, that the driver who crosses the finish line first, wins the race. Michael was first, when he turned into the pits. He was first, when he was in the pits, driving to his team. He was first, when he stopped for more than 10 seconds. He was first, when he drove off again. He was first, when he came out of the pits.
@@nauq6630 Michael won, because he never lost the lead. Mika couldn't overtake him. Apart from that: Michael crossed the finish line, when he was in the pits, on his way to his team.
The finish line was located right before the Ferrari paddock! Michael initially came to serve the 10-second stop-and-go penalty, just in time for the chequered flag to be waved!
Are we still unsure why Michael was given a stop/go penalty? Either way it was probably the most stupid of times to give such a penalty. I guess this is why we have 5 to 10 second penalties to drivers when they finish a race so there's no confusion.
The penalty was a farce and was actually revoked later. Officially the penalty was given because Schumacher supposedly overtook Alexander Wurz in the Benetton under safety car. But with that, the clown show started. First of all, the Stewards took to long to hand out the penalty. Rules back then said the team of the driver who gets the penalty must be informed about it within 25 minutes after the incident. The stewards already f... this up by handing out the penalty 31 minutes later. Further the info for the team was on a handwriten note, which is against protocol, and it didn't describe the kind of penalty to serve. So was it a Stop/Go or a 10 second penalty? Nobody knew. Ferrari took Schumacher in and let him stand for 10 seconds just to be safe. The stewards claimed after the race it was the later and wanted to add the 10 seconds to Schumachers race time. But the rules stated, that this would only be possible if the incident would have happend in the last 20% of a GP so in the case of Silverstone back then in the last 12 laps. So after all they decided to revoke the penalty. But for the Steward the whole thing had an aftermath. After the GP the FIA higher ups had a look at the thing and the result was that all 3 stewards of that day had to hand in their lincence. So basically they got fired.
@@shi01 Almost right. Only with the exception that Schumacher did not lap Wurz during the safety car phase. It happened in the 43rd lap, at Club Corner. 1 lap before the safety car came onto the track.
Never understood how this was allowed. He completed his penalty AFTER he crossed the finish line on the final lap, so his race was already over. How can you serve a penalty afterwards?
Because the penalty itself wasn't valid as it took too long to be issued and was too short notice for it to be served by Michael/Ferrari. The Stewards ended up losing their licences over this. I watched this race on the day and was fuming at the time due to being a staunch Mika/McMerc fan. But Ross Brawn & Co didn't do anything wrong here.
@stevenmason1674 The penalty against Michael was pronounced 3 rounds before the end. There was no other option for Ferrari than to stop. If Michael hadn't gotten in, the FIA might have disqualified him.
Anyone new to F1, make sure you go back and watch this season in it's entirety. Dearly miss Murrays commentary, and god help f1 once Martin and Ted have gone. Seriously not enjoying the new outside influences since Bernie flogging the show and all in the name of saving the planet and apparent cost cutting (aka helping more teams join), of which over the last 15 years has turned out quite the opposite. We need lighter cars, 100% racing for 60-90mins, drivers should be struggling to exit these machines . Limited aero parts and more mechanical grip and For me I'd personally prefer to see a foot clutch and manual box (all physical), only allow team radio for qualifying and a few laps either side of pit stops, revisit safe refuelling to bring back the different weight variables and cut the DRS fake overtake cr p, endless runoff areas, red flags, virtual safety cars and countless penalties and I'm not even going to mention the shift as with everything to a 75% black woman lineup for the new experts aren't going to enlight and enthuse new fans, we need guys like Martin with fundamental knowledge of racing at the highest level and people who have passion for the sport. Having too many races devalues the others. POINTS positions top 6 and v10/12, sod the fuel this is F1, we want proper engines with authentic bells and whistles, now we have a very dull, underwhelming noise, sounds horrible.
FERRARI INTERNATIONAL ASSISTANCE. Most ridiculous gamesmanship ever. That penalty should have been served at the appropriate time. The FIA should never have allowed that result to stand. Never liked Ferrari, never will.
Michael's victory was absolutely legal. The fact that, after more than 25 years, the legitimacy of the final result is still being questioned, is a little bit embarrassing.
if he would pit second last lap he would had change win. he did not actually serve any penalty coming in last lap. finish line on pit lane is not mean nothing. he has stil more road he have to drive slower. 10 second was adden micheal time later. was it? bcoz they see times and then boom lets give 10 second and mika wins by tents. micheal had change win but that how he is he broke rules and get with it many times. fastest car has easy win. like lewis. russel drive good so called bad car but lewis cant. mayby lewis not good after all. or he is just fat now
there is every word need to know. yes english is hard you write and read difrent. sometimes its just this is how you read it. who cares. he would not win if come pitstop 1 lap earlier. got it yet? english words one afte another. how hard is it? @@yampy1353
@@rodrigooneto3194 Senna is overrated, he never pulled off something like this and majority of his wins were just when he lead from pole and won appart from of his wins such as Silverstone 1993, suzuka 1988, Monaco 1992. Schumi was a much more spectacular driver in race, quali everywhere. Only he could pull off something like this. Senna was only spectacular in quali. In the race he would often be outpaced by Prost which showed because during the period they were together Prost had more fastest laps.
@@srxt6758 you can go and hug that vegetable. Even him and Prost said senna was better. Remember when he cried like a baby when he matched sennas pole record? Senna did 3 championships and 65 poles….. cheatmaker 68 with 7? 🤣🤣🤣🤣.
No just FIA not capable of writing rules without leaving loopholes behind. It was said that Ross Brawn (ferrari’s head engineer) knew the entire rule book by memory
i read somewhere it said he didnt know he won either until his bro came and the stewards failed to inform Ferrari within the necessary 25 minutes following the offence .. etc
being technically right is only cool on the internet. being technically right in a game or competition against peers is shameful and against the spirit of what they are doing
There are rules for the FIA just as there are for the teams and drivers. The FIA took too long to impose the penalty and communicate it to the team. This simply made the penalty obsolete.
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back when ferrari are actually the masters of strategy
you mean Ross Brawn. He still is.
Now they're utter clowns.
This is no strategy, this is corruption.
it's just 🅱️lans now
Ross brawn, jean todt, no binotto bullshit
"Well I am pretty sure that Michael Schumacher has won the British Grand Prix!"
What a sensational quote by the sensational Murray Walker
Brundle doubted him wrongly
@@kevinprior3549 brundle being brundle, i see
This has to be the most bizarre win of any GP I've seen in my life
usa 2005 🤣😂 is more bizzare 🔥🤣
@@cesaluiz8326 that dont count to me
Have you seen the 2021 belgian gp?😂
@@botipx 🤣😥😭
@@botipx that wasn't a GP was it.
Now this is what a Ferrari Master 🅱️lan looks like.
Not involving S🅱️inalla
When Ferrari strategists were masterminds. These days it’s hopeless.
now he is the managing director of F1
BOX BOX BOX! FOR HARD
NO NO NO! STAY OUT! S-S-STAY OUT!
🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡
@@leonard4928 S-S-STAY OUT! when he's half way down the pits.....
Absolute legend look at him giving everything on a wet track..
3:20 How harmonious
Lmfoooao
I read your comment in Murray’s voice
Even with that „yeah” at the beginning 🤣
Murray & Martin was a perfect duo for F1. 2 completely different men but it worked. And the way both sounded so confused on what was happening with M Schumacher was fabulous.
That was freaking briliant!
You mean corruption, not brillance.
@@ThePilot598 No, just brilliant. Crying "cOrRuPtioN" under every comment doesn't mean corruption; Unless ofcourse you can provide proof.
@@ThePilot598 its just smart, and such ingenuity shouldnt be punished, just change the rules for the next race instead
@@ThePilot598 the reason he did it is because FIA were freaking braindead and informed Ferrari of the penalty too late when there was like 2 laps left in the race. So Schumi found a way to screw them over the way they almost screwed over him.
@@ThePilot598 Just because you're constantly repeating wrong things doesn't make them true.
I remember watching this live. Brilliant
Schumi is a legend lol. You can see why he was disliked. He toyed with everyone especially brits...
That 3 race penalty 1994. and then Damon gained points. Ridiculous Brit politics. Only reason he got close to Schumi because of that ban. Crush them in 1995 and of course that slow Ferrari bucket 1996 he still showed why he is the best.
He DELIBERATELY took Damon off in 1994. He got away with it. Same tactic in 1997 with Jacques Villeneuve - didn't get off with it that day. Monaco qualifying 2006 - deliberately parked it to screw Fernando over. He didn't do anything cleanly.
He was a cheat, pure and simple. Very good driver, yes, but also a cheat. Loved having wins handed to him as well. Not as good as his record suggests. Lewis is far better and doesn’t need to cheat to win.
@@RiminiVirage BS. Pure and simple.
@@markc8956 It´s about Silverstone 1998. And not what happened before and after this.
Murray Walker and Martin Brundle were always a great listen. They were an old married couple.
F1 lost something when Murray retired.
Grandissimo pilota e squadra geniale!
ITV here were FTA. Schumacher passed Wurz to lap him under a yellow flag at Club corner on lap 43. FTA broadcast didn’t pick it up. PPV (F1 digitial) did. Certainly on the 1998 review. PPV had more information available compared to FTA. A reason why Walker and Brundle (and many FTA broadcasters) were unsure or ambiguous as to what the penalty was for.
Thanks for that mate, I have always wondered about the old issues itv faced in bringing up to date news on a race they themselves are commenting on
Brundle and Murray didn’t stop commentating when ITV went for a break. They continued to commentate as their commentary was broadcast in Australia and other markets.
A protest was lodged by McLaren-Mercedes who felt Ferrari cheated by not having Schumacher serve the penalty, but this was rejected by the FIA.[3] At the hearing for the protest the International Court of Appeal confirmed that the stewards have made several mistakes in issuing a 10-second time penalty for an incident that happened outside of the last 12 laps of a race while exceeding the allowed time limit for the notification of a penalty having been issued.[3] As a result of their mistakes, the three stewards involved handed in their licenses at an extraordinary meeting of the FIA World Council.
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Ferrari thought them a lesson unconsciously. Changed rules and so on. Cccc
Exactly the comment i was searching for
That's called presence of mind!!!
You probably mean corruption.
@@ThePilot598 I mean you can do it of it's not clear in the rules😂 you can't be in F1 if you don't know how to exploit gray areas lol
@@rohitmurthy9666 No, there was no gray area. Rules are clear: drive through is meant during the race, never after the race. But if you pay a lot of money to someone, then you create a gray area.
@@ThePilot598 It's FIA's duty to make rules ironclad and foolproof. Any loopholes are not ferarri's problem and they'll (or anyone for that matter) only be happy to exploit it.
@@utuberme1 True champions like Senna, Mansell, Hakkinen, Alonso do not need loopholes or gray areas. They won championships with pure speed and talent. Only Schumacher needs to seek loopholes.
I watched that race back in the day..
Best thing about this is Michael and Mika might both know that he might get a time penalty, and Michael is still pulling out 3s a lap.
This is how you become a king and a legend at the same time.
Team strategist = Genius
Corruption
@@ThePilot598 Not
@@utuberme1 Winning through pit lane, crashes with Hill, Villeneuve, Montoya... Illegal car bur never a penalty, "let Michael pass for the championship"... Schumacher will be never a great champion like Senna, Prost, Hakkinen, Alonso...
@@ThePilot598 hamilton
@@miguelsilva8592 good joke
Ah these times in F1 were amazing, when the rest of the teams got some attention and close up shots when they were brawling it out in the centre, instead of only seeing Hamilton and Verstappen.
you sound like a moron who doesnt watch f1, if you actually watched f1 live races and not just highlights on youtube like the zoomer restart you are, youd see the mid field cars get more camera time than the top racers and it has always been like that. there is no content in watching a car drive alone with no competition obviously the cameras are going to focus on the action and thats the mid field, sure theyll show the top guys sometimes but barely compared to highlights, but keep going off of highlights moron
we actually saw very little of Verstappen in those days.
"That's the guy who puts the captions up Murray. He's not the stewards".
"He gets official information. I'll go with that until someone tells me officially that that is not the situation". 😂
I love Murray and Martin.
The brains of Ross Brawn at work!
Greatest driver of all time and always will be 👍👍👍
The real legends time 😍
Schumacher was a classic.
Un capolavoro geniale!
Blatant sportsmanship. He had form and so did Ferrari at the time.
Michael was a complete ass lol, he crashed Damon to win the championship, he destroyed his legacy for no reason.
@@joshn1678 Wrong topic.
Brilliant
Schumacher in a Ferrari is just majestic
Even if there was a loophole or something like that, Schumacher finished the race before he served the penalty. Anything that happens after crossing the finish line is irrelevant. He can get out of the car and start dancing moonwalk, but it won’t be considered as a racing offence, since the race is officially over. It was over when he was serving the penalty, so it is pretty bizzare that they let him keep the victory
It has nothing to do with logic. It's all about how the written rules were worded.
@rymen o sporcie how would know? You better than them giving the rules back then?
They let him keep the victory because the stewards fucked up - as Martin says in this video, this should have been a +25s on MSC’s race time, as the penalty was delivered with fewer than 5 laps to go.
The problem is that the race director made a mistake because a penalty should be issued in 25 minutes from the action but it was given after 35 minutes, so ferrari had everything to accuse the FIA, and to avoid ferrari suing them, they let Schumacher keep the win
You need to read the rules as they were written. The rules said that upon being served with a penalty you must serve that penalty by driving into the pits within 3 laps. MS drove into the pits within 3 laps to serve his penalty. The race was not over when he drove into the pits to serve the penalty. The race was however over as the Ferrari box was posited after the finish line. Brilliant and correct interpretation of the rules.
I remember that day well 😂
I always thought it was a unfair win. The penalty was "Stop and go", but he just entered the pitlane and stopped when the race was already over. // It would be a fair move if the finish line were AFTER the Ferrari's box, crossing the finish line AFTER stopping but still in the pitlane.
I think that is why they changed the rules in silverstone so u can’t finish the race from the pits now
Mclaren appealed the decision but turned out that the stewards had been in error in issuing the penalty
So what you are saying is, there was no 'go'. Makes sense
@@paramsheth8678 There was not even a "stop", as the race was already over when the Ferrari entered into its pit.
The "unfair" part was actually how indecisive the stewards had been that day, as illustrated by this excerpt:
_Following the race a dispute arose surrounding the circumstances of Michael Schumacher being issued with and serving his penalty. His team argued that the penalty should have been issued within 25 minutes of the incident but instead they were informed after 31 minutes. They also argued that the hand-written notification was unclear as to which penalty was actually being issued: a stop-and-go, or a 10-second addition to Schumacher's race time, though the FIA's International Court of Appeal later clarified that it was the latter. The stewards then decided to nevertheless apply the 10-second addition, post-race. However, the added time penalty can only be used to punish an infraction in the last 12 laps of a Grand Prix, and so did not apply here. The stewards eventually rescinded the penalty altogether._
All in all, an indecisiveness that would've fucked Ferrari's race so they decided to take this action to _repay the favor_
That was genius!!! I hate Schumacher, but that was brilliant!!!
Insane
Brundle: I think theyll carry on win the race and argue about it later
MSC: never let them know your next move...
It was a cultural shock to most seeing Williams cars in red.
Jacques probably wanted to use red in remembrance of his father, especially since he was the 1997 champion...
I remember the race (it held 6 hours before my first FIFA World Cup Final, Brazil-France 0-3), bad decision by race stewards to call Schumacher to make a stop and go penalty on the final lap😕 FIA next day fired them and did it well
Things That F1 is Missing today:
Competitive Ferrari and a Actual Championship battle
We think a stop & go penalty for Michael Schumacher!
Oh no!
Michael Masi would say “ well we just wanted them to race till the end”
Honestly 🤣🤣
didn't understand a thing, but that was exciting xD
I am new to f1. But Schumacher was given a stop and go penalty (10 seconds I think) for passing someone during a yellow flag. He pitted as the penalty required. I guess because Ferrari had their pit box ahead of the finish line, he technically passed it. Meaning once he served his penalty, his race officially ended.
The objection to this would be first technically the penalty was served after ending but because second didn't pass him until the penalty was served, it was dismissed. Under the idea that if served before passing the results would be the same. But the hidden advantage of that move was, Schumacher never had to complete a slow exit of the pit, as he would of needed if served in a previous lap.
What isnt shown here it at a later hearing it was decided the Marshall's apparently waited too long to call the penalty, and while accepted the win was unfair, the fact the marshalls were wrong, made stripping the win from Schumacher unfair. Those Marshall's were fired or quit.
Looks like M. Brundle is touching wheels with the TV announcer !?
Back in the days when the FIA didn't really know what they were doing.
Visiting this after Abu Dhabi 2021 final. Nice to see the not much has changed in FIA control of races. Lol
Lewis and Mercedes would not have the balls for this
I watched this live
It's so unfair, yet so genius
Genius? Yes. Unfair? No.
Ocon & Hulkenberg in the 2023 Azerbaijan GP.
beautiful RUSE
Se emociono Bilardo xD
Back when F1 was interesting and had actual quality racing and drivers
And was watchable on public television!
If George had done this at the 2024 Belgian Grand Prix, he would still get DSQ'ed anyway!
Back when Ferrari was genius mode
Schumacher’s was 3 seconds a faster than Mika in the final laps…deserved this win would have been pathetic if they took it from him
I'm a little confused, is the finish line after his position in the pit, or before?
Should be before, although in the end, the pit lane line didn't matter because the penalty was waved. So Schumacher would have won even if he didn't pit.
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I believe micheal schumacher realised he could win the race by crossing the finish line it the pit lane NOT the team strategists,like or hate him what a brilliant mind to race and work that one out !
why micheal
Meh i didnt like this win,even as a ferrari fan,but yeah a win is a win
It was a fair win because the penalty was not a penalty and they even revoked it afterwards. All 3 race stewards were fired as a result. So without the fuck up of the stewards, there would not even have been this situation. Ferrari did the best they could to avoid losing the race to stupidity and more likely corruption. Without any doubt Michael would have won with nearly 30sec ahead in the rain. He was lapping 3 seconds faster... There is no doubt it was a legitimen win.
Michael didn't even want to join Ferrari! He actually wanted to join Mercedes!
Should have just added the penalty on after the race, whether he stopped or not...
They, wanted to do that, but they couldn't. Rules back then stated that this would only be possible if the penalised incident happend within the last 20% of the race distance, in case of Silverstone back then, within the last 12 laps, which wasn't the case here.
Also, the penalty was later rewoked anyway.
And now Brawn is part of the FIA and Domenicali is the president of F1 lol. From crooks to cops.
Can someone explain to me what happened? I knew Michael won but how, though?
Michael won, because he finished the race in the first position. In other words, he crossed the finish line in the lead. This means, that the driver who crosses the finish line first, wins the race.
Michael was first, when he turned into the pits. He was first, when he was in the pits, driving to his team. He was first, when he stopped for more than 10 seconds. He was first, when he drove off again. He was first, when he came out of the pits.
@@yampy1353 I understand the first half, which thank you very much, but the second one, not so much
@@nauq6630 Michael won, because he never lost the lead. Mika couldn't overtake him. Apart from that: Michael crossed the finish line, when he was in the pits, on his way to his team.
@@yampy1353 oh, thanks
The finish line was located right before the Ferrari paddock! Michael initially came to serve the 10-second stop-and-go penalty, just in time for the chequered flag to be waved!
Amazing, but was that legal?
Not anymore , but it was then
Surelly not
@@ThePilot598 yeaaaah, at the time there was a loophole in the rules which allowed it
@@joebarthram596 don't believe so.
@@ThePilot598 believe so.
Are we still unsure why Michael was given a stop/go penalty? Either way it was probably the most stupid of times to give such a penalty. I guess this is why we have 5 to 10 second penalties to drivers when they finish a race so there's no confusion.
The penalty was a farce and was actually revoked later.
Officially the penalty was given because Schumacher supposedly overtook Alexander Wurz in the Benetton under safety car. But with that, the clown show started.
First of all, the Stewards took to long to hand out the penalty. Rules back then said the team of the driver who gets the penalty must be informed about it within 25 minutes after the incident. The stewards already f... this up by handing out the penalty 31 minutes later.
Further the info for the team was on a handwriten note, which is against protocol, and it didn't describe the kind of penalty to serve. So was it a Stop/Go or a 10 second penalty? Nobody knew. Ferrari took Schumacher in and let him stand for 10 seconds just to be safe. The stewards claimed after the race it was the later and wanted to add the 10 seconds to Schumachers race time. But the rules stated, that this would only be possible if the incident would have happend in the last 20% of a GP so in the case of Silverstone back then in the last 12 laps. So after all they decided to revoke the penalty.
But for the Steward the whole thing had an aftermath. After the GP the FIA higher ups had a look at the thing and the result was that all 3 stewards of that day had to hand in their lincence. So basically they got fired.
@@shi01 Almost right. Only with the exception that Schumacher did not lap Wurz during the safety car phase. It happened in the 43rd lap, at Club Corner. 1 lap before the safety car came onto the track.
no red flag ? i mean water on track ... spray an theyre driving actually pretty fast nooooooo way this is real ^^
Never understood how this was allowed. He completed his penalty AFTER he crossed the finish line on the final lap, so his race was already over. How can you serve a penalty afterwards?
Because the penalty itself wasn't valid as it took too long to be issued and was too short notice for it to be served by Michael/Ferrari. The Stewards ended up losing their licences over this.
I watched this race on the day and was fuming at the time due to being a staunch Mika/McMerc fan. But Ross Brawn & Co didn't do anything wrong here.
@@yampy1353 You can if you're safe in the knowledge the penalty isn't valid due to your race engineer knowing the rule book inside out.
@@ChadLouisNewton I don't mean you with my comment, but stevenmason1674. Michael's victory at Silverstone 98 is absolutely legal.
@stevenmason1674 The penalty against Michael was pronounced 3 rounds before the end. There was no other option for Ferrari than to stop. If Michael hadn't gotten in, the FIA might have disqualified him.
@@ChadLouisNewtonI understand... I was also fuming when Seb won the 2018 British Grand Prix, due to being a Mercedes fan...
Anyone new to F1, make sure you go back and watch this season in it's entirety. Dearly miss Murrays commentary, and god help f1 once Martin and Ted have gone.
Seriously not enjoying the new outside influences since Bernie flogging the show and all in the name of saving the planet and apparent cost cutting (aka helping more teams join), of which over the last 15 years has turned out quite the opposite. We need lighter cars, 100% racing for 60-90mins, drivers should be struggling to exit these machines . Limited aero parts and more mechanical grip and For me I'd personally prefer to see a foot clutch and manual box (all physical), only allow team radio for qualifying and a few laps either side of pit stops, revisit safe refuelling to bring back the different weight variables and cut the DRS fake overtake cr p, endless runoff areas, red flags, virtual safety cars and countless penalties and I'm not even going to mention the shift as with everything to a 75% black woman lineup for the new experts aren't going to enlight and enthuse new fans, we need guys like Martin with fundamental knowledge of racing at the highest level and people who have passion for the sport. Having too many races devalues the others. POINTS positions top 6 and v10/12, sod the fuel this is F1, we want proper engines with authentic bells and whistles, now we have a very dull, underwhelming noise, sounds horrible.
FERRARI INTERNATIONAL ASSISTANCE. Most ridiculous gamesmanship ever. That penalty should have been served at the appropriate time. The FIA should never have allowed that result to stand. Never liked Ferrari, never will.
Michael's victory was absolutely legal. The fact that, after more than 25 years, the legitimacy of the final result is still being questioned, is a little bit embarrassing.
if he would pit second last lap he would had change win. he did not actually serve any penalty coming in last lap. finish line on pit lane is not mean nothing. he has stil more road he have to drive slower. 10 second was adden micheal time later. was it? bcoz they see times and then boom lets give 10 second and mika wins by tents. micheal had change win but that how he is he broke rules and get with it many times. fastest car has easy win. like lewis.
russel drive good so called bad car but lewis cant. mayby lewis not good after all. or he is just fat now
So much written, without sense and reasonable content.
there is every word need to know. yes english is hard you write and read difrent. sometimes its just this is how you read it. who cares. he would not win if come pitstop 1 lap earlier. got it yet? english words one afte another. how hard is it? @@yampy1353
Cheatmaker at it’s best
Let me guess. Crymilton fanboy?
Cheat? He will get disqualified if he cheat
@@florian2967 actually Senna fanboy.
@@rodrigooneto3194 Senna is overrated, he never pulled off something like this and majority of his wins were just when he lead from pole and won appart from of his wins such as Silverstone 1993, suzuka 1988, Monaco 1992. Schumi was a much more spectacular driver in race, quali everywhere. Only he could pull off something like this. Senna was only spectacular in quali. In the race he would often be outpaced by Prost which showed because during the period they were together Prost had more fastest laps.
@@srxt6758 you can go and hug that vegetable. Even him and Prost said senna was better. Remember when he cried like a baby when he matched sennas pole record? Senna did 3 championships and 65 poles….. cheatmaker 68 with 7? 🤣🤣🤣🤣.
So he crossed the start stop line before he took the penalty?
How fucking corrupt!
No just FIA not capable of writing rules without leaving loopholes behind.
It was said that Ross Brawn (ferrari’s head engineer) knew the entire rule book by memory
@@ignls8809
It's not even a rule loophole, be like a football player running back onto the pitch after full time and scoring a 'winning' goal
This is why Schumacher will NEVER be a true champion.
He IS the true champion.
You don't deserve admiration 🖕
i read somewhere it said he didnt know he won either until his bro came and the stewards failed to inform Ferrari within the necessary 25 minutes following the offence .. etc
Don’t worry bro He, his 7 championships and his bank account don’t care about your opinion.
Does it mean anything if you're a vegetable?
being technically right is only cool on the internet. being technically right in a game or competition against peers is shameful and against the spirit of what they are doing
The victory from Michael was absolutely legal.
There are rules for the FIA just as there are for the teams and drivers. The FIA took too long to impose the penalty and communicate it to the team. This simply made the penalty obsolete.