I understand what they were going for. They wanted Buzz to see clearly for himself what his obsession with getting the colony home would turn him into. The problem is, there was no indication that Buzz would ever go thlhat far, or become this deranged and selfish. I can appreciate the attempt, but it just doesn't work like it should.
I though the same ! If only there had been even the most subtle personnality foreshadowing, then I would have bought in an easier way the whole twist revelation.
I feel like Zurg should've just been a straightforward bad guy or Buzz's father instead of just Buzz from the future. Sure it's subversive as a twist, but it creates more questions than answers about the time travel logistics of this film.
Plus the reason as to what made Zurg from the original light year cartoons so good was because he had humor but was still a intimidating villain through his strength and intellect, he had his own individual character. To simply have him as a literal copy and paste of Buzz but evil just ripped away his individuality as a character and shoved in a “moral message” for buzz light year, dumbing down any unique and interesting character traits he could’ve had if they hadn’t settled with such a pathetic twist. The only way they can redeem this villain in the movies is if in the sequel, evil Buzz loses the armor which is given to a new character who happens to become the real “emperor Zurg.”
Specially considering how they threated time travel as "only forward", which is how it works on modern physics. Overall a very poorly though message for the sake of twist, and that's honestly what i can extract of the film in general, an underwhelming film ruined by poorly though decisions, most notably being boring for kids.
@@donian544 People seem to fail to realize that sometimes, a straightforward villain can definitely be a good villain, as long as they have character and a way they can convince the audience as to why they make an effective villain in the first place. Edit: you don’t need a twist to make a villain great.
@@PussInBootsTheLastWishFan2003 And? Predictable IS NOT a bad thing on kids movies; Rattatouile's plot is fairly predictable all things considered, and is considered a masterpiece for good reasons. If anything it would have been a good way of creating a genuine son-father talk, of how he descend into doing increasingly deplorable stuff, and how he was seeing his son doing the same, how he became alone due to time travel. Sometimes expectative subvertion just damages the writting.
I had two theories before the revel. 1.After Buzz and the crew went missing, his father returned to the space program to find him. Ends up alone an dfinds the alien ship. As time past his body started to fail he had to replace human parts with robotic to keep himself alive, going mad in the process. 2.Buzz's father went missing whike on a mission inspiring Buzz to join the program. Meanwhile his father was desperate to return home, he finds the alien ship, but it doesn't run yet. He spends years reparing it, and like before is getting old and replaces patts with metal going mad. Both theories had a man driven mad by desperation to be with his family. He'd even ask Buzz to join him in his empire.
I honestly wish they would have stuck with Zurg being Buzz's dad. Sure, it was just a Star Wars reference in the movie. But idk, I liked it. Would have been cool to see. Oh well tho, they dropped the ball
@Eli Sanoro Yeah and retconning that created several plot holes for the toys tory universe. Namely the second movie. If the toy line was based on Andy's fav sci-fi film them why on earth would the toy line change buzz's backstory? In real life doing something like that generally wouldn't be received well with audiences
Although that kind of storyline was used that actually sounds a lot cooler than what we got maybe make his father some kind of star command space legend, inspiring buzz to become buzz Lightyear
I buy that, there was even a scrapped scene where his dad (Larry Lightyear, like how originally Buzz was going to be called Lunar Lazzy) said he owned the aliens and told them to find his son. Personally I have the headcanon that the Zurg tech corrupted Old Buzz into being evil and preserving the technology, kinda like Reapers from Mass Effect.
My biggest problem with this is that Zurg is supposed to be an evil emperor wanting to take over the galaxy. basically if Darth Vader was the emperor this whole time. making him an older version of Buzz obsessed with going back in time to fix a mistake he made just has no link to the Zurg we've always known. 'It's a retcon of the original' but wait, this was supposed to be the same movie Andy saw as a kid that made him want the Buzz toy, right? because they mention Zurg being an evil emperor in the first Toy Story movie. There's just so many plot holes in this movie. this is why I'm sticking to the 2D Buzz movie from the early 2000s.
The robots call buzz zurg because they cannot mathematically understand his name and mess it up, in the movie old buzz said he borrowed the technology, so there could still be an overlord with robots that call him zurg its just no one will go to see it after this movie.
I do agree with the “this is the movie andy saw” part, it does contradict a lot of stuff, but why are you so adamant on this movie having to be like the original 2D? Why not base your opinion off of this movie itself, not how it compares, or how it’s not like the original 2D film?
@@LadyDuckington I'm sticking to the 2D movie because it's more consistent. I said nothing else. I never said it had to have the same characters and same plot. I just want things to line up so that it explains Buzz's character in the Toy Story movie. that's all. I mean, that was my entire comment. this not having anything to do with what was set up in Toy Story 1. since it's not consistent, I decided to go back to the 2D movie. Not sure where you got the idea that I wanted this to be exactly like the 2D movie. the plot just doesn't make sense in the 3D movie. that's all I said.
@@JohnSmith-bw6pv For paying attention and noticing things just don't make sense? just blindly following whatever anyone says without thinking about anything on your own? your grades in school must have been abysmal because you heard two completely different stories in history class and believed both of them. Lol
The real Zurg is actually somewhere out there because old Buzz said that everything in the ship is borrowed Edit: wow I can't believe have this many likes all because of this theory
So it’s definitely a similar case to what happened in the MCU where the Mandarin makes his big debut only to be revealed to just be a washed up actor all for a subversive twist on an iconic villain that proved controversial, only this time, it’s with the Emperor Zurg and the Emperor is really an alternate universe version of Buzz. And if they do a follow-up to Lightyear, they’re similarly going to do back track to rectify the mistake and reveal the Zurg in the film was a fake and the REAL Zurg exists and is mad at the fake Zurg for using his identity.
It's funny in the 2000s cartoon, Buzz Lightyear of Star Command there was an alternate universe Buzz Lightyear, and was working for emperor Zug. The episode "The Lightyear Factor", Zug finds a portal to an parallel universe, there he encounters the evil Buzz, hoping to use this as an advantage to destroy Star Command and complete Zug's conquest, the good Buzz gets tricked, then is banished to the alternate universe, there the good Buzz witness the horrors left behind by the evil Buzz's atrocities. For a Disney cartoon TV show, this episode is quite bleak, one of the darkest episodes for BLoSC, it showed that Buzz is capable of doing great wickedness, even greater than Zug. Although the recent Pixar film kind of shows this, it didn't go far enough, it seem Pixar did want to try, but was block by Disney to keep it as family friendly as possible, which is too bad, the old TV show was for children and families too, yet had the courage and confidence that their audience could handle dark stories, coming out of lighthearted content.
There is evidence that they wanted to make a completely different film, like there is test footage shown in the Beyond Lightyear documentary that showed Robo-dogs eating plasma-bolts and one the lead directors talking about how much he loved films.
@@zaryalace7475 Consider that this director was also there from the beginning. Had this been more divorced from Pixar maybe they could've drawn from the Star command series and been its own thing
Lightyear can make all the twists and time travel gabagoo it wants, but it still makes the Buzz Lightyear Of Star Command series the better adaptation.
I have mixed feelings about "Toy Story 5." It feels as though they're merely cashing in on a beloved childhood franchise, and with Woody being separated from the rest of his friends, there doesn't seem to be any way to further the story.
*Zurg:* Surrender, Buzz! I have won. *Buzz Lightyear:* No. I never give in. You killed my father. *Zurg:* No... I am BUZZ LIGHTYEAR *Buzz Lightyear:* No. I'm the real Buzz Lightyear. *Zurg:* I'm Buzz Lightyear *Buzz Lightyear:* I'm Buzz Lightyear *Sox:* So, who's the real Buzz? *Buzz Lightyear and Zurg:* I AM!
Now seeing this, I had a fascinating idea. Old Buzz said he found this ship, and that he started using it and the technology inside to try and fix his mistake. And, many other people have suggested that perhaps that means that there is a Real Emperor Zurg, that Old Buzz simply took his name and ship. But I'd like to take that one step further. The reason why the robots call Buzz 'Zurg' is because it's the only name they can say. The name of their master. And Zurg could actually be a threat in this film for the third act. What if Zurg was indeed Buzz Lightyear's father, a previous member of Star Command, perhaps considered a Genius in mechanics, robotics, and technology in general, who vanished while testing newly developed time-travel-technology. This could be set up with some high brass in SC comparing him to his father. Buzz may be desperate to prove that he his own man, maybe better, or maybe to just live up to the legacy left to him, driving him to commit to his missions and be additional motivation for why he pushes himself so much to get the Turnip off the planet. Maybe he could even have an emotional moment with Sox or the other crew members that he never really knew his father; He was always too busy with his own work and goals to spend time with his own son. And that being constantly compared to a man he never truly knew. Making him feel like he needs to do something colossal to live up to his Father's legacy, while never learning what his father was actually like. Cut to when he mets Old Buzz on Zurg's ship. The scene can initially start the same, except we have clues in the background. When they come to the central console for the time-crystal-mcguffin, Buzz notices the old and worn Star Command design of it, different to the 'newer' parts of the ship. He asks Old Buzz, who offhandedly mentions that it was like this when he found it. That the rest of the ship seems built around it. But this time they actually have a conversation in that reactor room, and current Buzz convinces Old Buzz not to go back in time to reset things, by convincing him that the people have made a life and are happy now. Old Buzz is still Buzz, he just needs to see. This is where we'd Introduce Zurg, as the true Villain of the Piece. Zurg is Buzz's father, who's accident with the time-travel technology sent him millions of years away from his current time. He spent years surviving in space, building robots to help him live, expanding his ship as he continues experimenting with the time travel technology to try and get back home. He manages to jump back in the timeline, but reaches a roadblock. He's too narrow-minded and persistent in his goal he can't figure out how to continue travelling back in the past. He spends years surviving in space, before Old Buzz stumbles across his ship. And Zurg gets an idea, and hides himself away. Undetectable to life scanners now, because of how augmented he is with technology, representing how little he cared for his humanity. Zurg was always an ambitious man, warped by a need to survive, and the belief that now that he's built all of this, he doesn't need to go back to Star Command anymore. The end-goal of going back in time and conquering the world with the technology he's managed to build. But first he needs to fix the time-warp-drive. And so he subtly manipulates Old Buzz into doing the work for him. Letting his robots make suggestions that lead Old Buzz into doing what he wants. Now the introduction. When both of the Buzz's decide against going back in time, they unintentionally foil Zurg's plan. But he now knows what to do, thanks to all the work the two had done up until this point. So now he steps into the picture as the true villain, attempting to capture both Buzz's and take the time-crystal-mcguffin for himself. Old Buzz sacrifices himself so current Buzz can escape, and live a life without regret as he had, leading to the 3rd act climax of Buzz reuniting with the old crew and maybe the colonists to come up with a plan to thwart Zurg, as Zurg makes plans to attack and steal the time-crystal-mcguffin. Of course, this is all just a base idea I threw together, with some stuff that could fit in but I'm not certain where. Like Current BUzz confronting Zurg and learning that Zurg is Buzz's father, and the conversation they'll have after that, as well as perhaps establishing that Star Command Heavily Limited experimentation with Time Travel after the failed experiment with Zurg due to how dangerous, costly and unsuccessful it had been. (As well as the head Genius on the project disappeared with it. That person being Zurg.)
This would be so much better than the actual events that unfolded in the movie. It’s probably a plot that a lot of people have seen in various other movies, but it would be an amazing callback to the original Toy Story. To add onto that though, maybe Zurg obtained his Emperor status by conquering moons, planets, and other celestial bodies to add onto his already-advanced technology.
I remember seeing something spread around saying they had to add the cat for comedic relief because the movie was too dark otherwise. Which is what initially convinced me to watch it. It was a lie. They added the cat because it would've been too boring.
Doesn't make any sense. Angus MacClane also directed the short film Small Fry which had excellent comedic timing. Yet Lightyear is rarely ever funny or fun.
Yeah who thought it was a good idea to have this take place on one planet with space rangers? Even if you have to put them on one planet at least make it interesting to look at. For all its faults Strange world at least made the planet they were look interesting, here all that's on this planet are some moving plants and generic alien bugs.
@@seanandrews5329 yea and also it was made a long time ago when the original Pixar brain trust was still there. Lightyear had to suffer the pandemic on top of absense of the old guard.
Imagine if the line about the robots calling Buzz “Zurg” was changed to this: “These robots were programmed to call their master Zurg. I’ve gotten used to it.”
I find it hilarious that Disney advertise Lightyear as this "ANIMATION THAT WILL REVOLUTIONIZE ANIMATION AS A WHOLE" and how expensive the animation graphics are only to *bombed* at the box office. Meanwhile, it's getting beaten by a cheaper, yet stylisticly cartoony and less realistic, spaniard cat in boots making a impact online and audience and at the box office.
Mainly because audiences were confused about it being out in cinemas (where the pandemic has made it scarce) or Disney+ (a new system that some people are starting on). I told my neighbor about my interest on the movies atm and I mentioned lightyear, and it was the first that she heard of it… talked to 2 more people about movies that I was excited about and gotten the same reaction “there’s a buzz lightyear movie coming out?”
I like what Old Buzz (Zurg) represents in this movie. He is basically a metaphor of insanity and unhealthy perfectionism. Unlike Buzz, Zurg had become so mind set on wanting to achieve hyper speed so he could finish the mission, it became an obsession. Even to the point where he doesn't care who gets effected. The way he says: "Who's Izzy?" also adds to that. By having this element, it adds to the moral of the film that some times in life we have to live with the mistakes we make.
The twist of Zurg being older Buzz shouldn’t have really happened. It leaves you with some plot holes like 1. How is there an alternative Buzz? 2. How did he get to this universe? 3. Why is he evil? Was he not as good as our Buzz before becoming Zurg? Let’s be honest here: Buzz is a really good guy, so it doesn’t make sense that he’d become evil or something. I definitely didn’t see this twist coming but again, it should’ve just been Zurg. Not an older evil version of Buzz
Should’ve just made it anyone else but Buzz, have it be real Zurg or Buzz’s Dad. Sure people will have seen it coming but it was the idea of a serious depiction of the silly Evil Emperor, which they did do. Before this reveal Zurg was mysterious and intimidating, and the design was just perfect 👌 for it. Ah what could’ve been.
There was definitely some plot holes about that time travel part. Science-fiction is tricky, but I think that plot twist of Zurg being Buzz could have being feasible. But for that to work and make sense, there should have been important changes to the story. And I am not only talking about timetravel elements. If some elements of Buzz's character and his flaws had be approached differently, then the twist of him becoming Zurg would have been more credible, because right from the beginning of the movie, Buzz's flaws would already have hinted that possibility of him turning badly (whitout even guessing he was to become Zurg). Basically, I am saying that, from my point of view, there wasn't enough personnality foreshadowing so then I would say "Yes, of course, because Buzz already showed hints early that his flaws were beginning to drag him a path downer, it makes sense he would become Zurg because I now realise Zurg is what is Buzz would be if his flaws were exploited to the maximum !!!". Sorry but I didn't fully get that feeling when I saw that big twist revelation...
Honest question: would Izzy *actually* not be born? Future-Buzz (Zurg) says that by him coming back in time to rewrite his own past, he's created a new timeline. Otherwise, he would've paradoxed himself out of existence. After all, Present-Buzz not going forward in time again is literally a break in the timeline diverging him from Zurg... yet both Buzz's persist, even alongside each other. He even says, "This is a new now that's never been lived!" What Zurg did was make BOTH events true. Buzz both went into the future to become Zurg AND stayed in the past to meet Izzy, it's the only way they can be in this scene together. And the movie asserts this as true. If anything, time-travel is more of a TIMELINE-travel, rather than a recourse of one, "true" history. So then if they went back in time again and undid the initial mission failure, that would make for another timeline jump. This time, into a reality where Alicia will become a space ranger again. But the course of events where Alicia has her daughter Izzy (and where this whole movie takes place) is JUST AS VALID, it's just left behind in THIS timeline. As Zurg said, time-travel takes them to "a new now that's never been lived", it DOESN'T erase anything, it is a purely CREATIVE action. So in other words: Izzy would still exist, but all that changes is Buzz doesn't stay in that timeline with her. But the movie suddenly abandons it's own rules and asserts that timeline-alteration is a DESTRUCTIVE process and Izzy would be ERASED instead of PARALLEL. It comes off as a contrivance to make Zurg out to be a thematic bad guy (or even just an outright liar about his own exposition) instead of granting his motivations the narrative credence he just explained. If anything, this makes Present-Buzz is the *actual* selfish one, since he denied Alicia a timeline where she doesn't give up her dreams (again, Izzy is NOT lost, it's a completely new, ADDITIVE timeline), but that gets distracted by the narrative instead focusing on Zurg's guilt. It takes the fact that since Zurg stands to gain favor with that timeline, it's the "wrong" choice to make. It's a really muddy finale, especially since I think there could've been a fantastic moral clashing between Buzz and Zurg on the ethics of keeping everyone stuck on a wholly-hostile planet (that no doubt got a lot people killed) vs undermining the cultural history and technological advancements they made in spite of the planet. I could go on with more (especially with who I think Zurg SHOULD'VE been), but I think that's enough.
I really liked the lightyear film! I was shocked that it wasn’t as big as it was. I see comments about Zurg being flawed, but I felt like it was a perfect metaphor for how much Buzz’s life was overly controlled by his goal and how it caused him to lose a life he could have lived. He finds a ship, finds these powerful robots, doesn’t care about what the hell is going on planet side, so long as he gets the means to undo everything he did, he doesn’t care what he does now, because he’s planning on pressing the reset button anyway. Those robots destroyed a lot and he is just thinking about how to undo it all, rather then making sure the damage doesn’t happen again! Even having the robots work for him, just to do that! I feel like a lot of people treat the “Zurg was actually Buzz the whole time” as only there to be a plot twist, but I loved that he was the villain then whole time. A selfless character turned selfish, because he tries to fix a mistake, rather then make the best of the situation. Also, if the time travel was working on multiverse, It would be only icing on the cake that Zurg was destained to find the same problems over and over again, as if seeking the goal is only unhealthy and leading to his own self destruction anyway. Buzz was always destained to defeat Zurg.
I feel as if this movie would have been better if it did all the cliches of space movies but adapting it to Toy Story Buzz's style, whilst introducing with it a darker tone with augmented visuals, and make it more coherent in the original Toy Story lore, where he appears as just another super cool movie figure, and you're curious to see how his story goes. The movie really only needed to be that.
(Fair Warning: Long comment as I go on a rant to explain my issue with this scene.) The biggest problem with this twist is also the biggest problem with the movie: It's not what the toys were based on. The marketing as well as the text at the beginning of the movie says that this was the movie Andy saw as a kid. However it is impossible for this to be that movie. Isolate on its own, this scene and the twist of Zurg being Future Buzz is fine, good even. Time travel is always messy, personally I saw it as a Terminator style time travel where going into the past creates a parallel timeline that does not interfere with the original to avoid paradoxes. Future Buzz going back in time split the timeline so his version of the events still happened to avoid fading away Back to The Future style. Narratively it works with the message the movie is going for. Buzz needs to avoid becoming so obsessed with "finishing the mission" and seeing a future, corrupted version of himself helps getting the message across. What doesn't work is that Toy Story 2 has the iconic "I am your father" scene which yes is a Star Wars joke but in universe it was "canon" with both Zurg & Buzz acting like it was true. The Toy Story movies clearly & repetitively establish that when a toy is fresh out of the box, they believe they are the characters that they are based on. Buzz believed he was _the_ Buzz Lightyear and thus acted like the actual character did. So, Movie Buzz should've acted like the toy version same with Movie Zurg but they don't here, they're clearly very different characters with new traits & goals. Also the designs of Buzz & Zurg don't make sense, yes Buzz gets his iconic suit at the end but for most of the movie he does not have wings or a laser so why do all of the toys use the same design? There should've been toys based off the other suit with it's unique features because toy companies love to make toys based off different outfits just look at Star Wars. Zurg though, the toy is literally based on a different version of the character! Why does he have a cape? Where's his legs? Why can't his arms extend like in the movie? Why is the official backstory that he's an evil emperor that's trying to take over the Galaxy when in the movie he just wants to undo his mistakes? Future Buzz wasn't evil, just heavily misguided. Yes he's not the Real Zurg but the toys are supposed to be based off the movie, and Real Zurg isn't in it. Lightyear is a modern reboot/adaptation that Toy Story fans are seeing as adults, and it should've been marketed as such. "This is a movie Andy is seeing in his 30s, it's based on one of his favorite toys from his childhood." Buzz behaving differently and not voiced by Tim Allen? New version of the character. Characters that don't appear in the TS movies? Literally new characters. The darker & slower tone of the movie? It's a modern, more dramatic take on the character. The plot twist of Zurg being Future Buzz instead of his dad? Doesn't contradict anything as it's a new version of the story. (As previously mentioned Future Buzz is not the Real Zurg but the ending teases Future Buzz returning in a sequel so he might as well be.) It doesn't fix all of the problems but it is insane how many questions & contradictions are solved by NOT saying that this is the original film that the toys were based on. It feels like a last minute thing made up for the marketing and no one stopped to think of the implications, like that official drawing of Andy sitting in the theater with his toys which included the Little Green Men which Andy didn't have in TS1.
The biggest problem with Lightyear is the shoe-horned in idea that this is a movie in the Toy Story universe that Andy saw as a kid. Drop that single entirely unnecessary idea, and the movie rules.
Fun fact, terminator timelines is actually super confusing as there are 3 seperate timelines: t1 t2 t3 and terminator salvation, the second being t1 terminator genisys, and the third being t1 t2 terminator dark fate so from movies 1-4 its a time loop but in the other 2 its branching timelines
When Lightyear was in theaters, I read an article about an interview where the film's production team said that originally the villain was supposed to be Buzz's father, but Disney pressured and pushed them to change it because everyone already knew that and therefore Disney wanted a twisted villain in the movie to bring some suprise moment and the team had to think about how it would succeed while being faithful to the source material.
I'm going to say something controversial: I really liked this twist. People going on and on about how they should have stuck with established canon are being stupid. The "I am your father" bit was always meant to be a dig at Star Wars, and nothing more. I liked that they even payed it off the way they did. And as for those that say that this Buzz would never do the sorts of things "Zurg" did: have you been watching the same movie I have? Because I totally believe he would. First of all, this Buzz has been alone for 50 years, with nothing but robots to keep him company. That will drive anyone insane. And secondly: Buzz showed early on that he's capable of extremes when it goes to fulfilling his mission. What else do you call the thing he experienced with the time jumps? "Zurg" is the extreme of that. He spend so long trapped in his own headspace - completely alone, I'll remind you again - that he has lost all ability to emphasize. The only thing that matters to him anymore is that _he_ gets what _he_ wants - even if what he wants is seemingly "selfless".
The “I am your father” line wasn’t really a “dig” at Star Wars, it was a REFERENCE to Star Wars, which Buzz Lightyear lore is full of. I never got the impression they were trying to mock Empire Strikes Back at all. It was a wink and a nod sure, but they still took it at face value. They even have a follow up scene with buzz and zurg playing catch to show that, yes, they really are father and son in a goofy lighthearted way. Hell, buzz’s canon backstory in TS1 was an almost line for line copy of the plot to A New Hope. I don’t think that was ever intended to be some kind of insult towards that storyline, it was there to 1) be a reference for the audience to get and 2) show the disconnect between Buzz’s fantastical backstory and reality. You can dismiss it if you want, but completely changing it for the 40th forgettable twist villain was a pretty terrible idea.
I'm so happy that while watching the film I was able to pickup on the subtle hints of whenever buzz talked about himself the next scene involved zurg, I was able to predict the twist before it happened and I was super proud of picking up on atleast the bigger hints during my 1st watch of this film
I didn't realize that Buzz jumped like in the Toy Story 2 opening. According to Angus Maclane in January of 2023, this twist happened because of Ad Astra having a father son thing in it. The twist is confusing but I'll admit it shocked me.
For how disappointed I and everyone else was with this film, you are somehow able to find and appreciate the intricacies of filmmaking. That’s really cool, except when you almost convince me to rewatch a movie where they talk about meat sandwiches for 8 minutes straight.
I think it would of been better to have it actualy been buzzes father, who goes out to try and find his sons lost ship and when he finds the colony and finds out about the time travel he traps them and awaits buzzs return so he can go back intime to prevent his son from ever being lost in the first place
I always wanted this movie to not be a movie that exists in the TS universe, but actual events that inspired the Buzz Lightyear cartoon and toy line. I feel like this being the movie that inspired the toy line kinda hurt the movie and the direction the directors went with the movie. Idk probably just me though
Honestly, I feel as though tgey shouldve really leaned into the film within a film. Give us fake production companies and actors. A text screen just feels boring. Also tgey shouldve not leaned too far into the TS references and making it closer. He's what I wouldve done. - Buzz saying blast - Buzz's opening and closing monologues - have the jetpack hinted at til the final act. Like Izzy and the other rangersgets captured by the Zyclops and Buzz flies to the rescue to start the third act with the wings, reserved for him by Alisha. - the wrist laser is used after the intro - don't integrate the devices into the suit, keep that rough look. - visit other planets and make Zurg more of a threat. - Save the Zurg reveal til the next movie, but hint to it. It would be cool if the Buzz/Old Buzz stuff was off screen, and we get a sense of Buzz hiding something. - Give the XL-15 more importance. - Have Buzz and tge rangers fight Zurg in the past.
I love Lightyear, I think it's a very underrated movie. The more times I've seen it, the more I've noticed. Just the Toy Story and sci fi references in general should have everyone geeking out, they put alot into this movie. I think Zurg's reveal was good, it opens a few good plot points if they ever continue with the franchise. Who did Buzz steal the ship from, the real Zurg? Buzz being Buzz's own worst enemy is pretty good at establishing a formidable opponent. Why was Buzz not at all surprised at Zurg potentially being his dad? Maybe a Larry Lightyear back story? All good points to be addressed in a sequel. I hope they make a sequel.
What people failed to realize is that alternate timeline Buzz basically Roy Burns-ed Zurg's identity! He said explicitly that the Zurg equipment is "borrowed", which would mean he stole it from the real Zurg! I hope they make a sequel or at least a Disney+ series that helps bring everything into place, because I certainly enjoyed this movie a lot more than most people.
i liked light year and the whole time travel concept. Zurg was written right, for most villains tend to see things one sided and he thought his way was the only way.
Pixar: “You know what would be cool to do with the EVIL EMPEROR ZURG, make him into Buzz from the future, who instead of being evil, he really just wants to undo his bad future, by undoing the timeline that led to them being stranded on the planet!” Employee: “But how are we going to hint at the possibility of time paradoxes when we only shown the fact that Buzz only moves forward?” Pixar: “Eh it is time travel so we can do whatever we want!”
I literally watched Lightyear two days ago because I was bored. I didn't mind it. It was entertaining, which is all I was looking for, and it was certainly a preferable experience to watching my brother burn some purple pancakes because he mistook powdered sugar in an unlabeled container for flour. Never a dull cooking moment with that boy.
The most frustrating (and pointless) part of the entire movie is the fact that Sox fails to memorize the hyperfuel recipe when he solves the ratio problem. Sox is a literal computer, so he should have plenty of photographic memory! Either way, there is no way that Buzz would have run away after successfully completing his mission. He found the right hyperfuel ratio, and now it was up to Commander Burnside to determine whether or not they shourd use it to go home. And even if he did, there shouldn't have been any way to ge BACKWARDS in time--it pretty much undermines the whole point of the movie, which is about enjoying the moment and going with flow. Buzz still could have learned his lesson about being too focused on his mission without the reverse time-travel nonsense. Reverse time travel is always a messy business, because it removes the stakes (like how Harry Potter and the Cursed Child used time travel to undo things in the past, thus making the things that happened in the past meaningless). I actually really like the idea that this should have been a remake of the original "Buzz Lightyear of Star Command" movie, kicking off a remake of the entire "Buzz Lightyear of Star Command" series. Keep the same story, same characters--just with updated animation and better audio quality. Introduce a whole new generation to what Andy watched that made him want a Buzz Lightyear action figure. Plus, that would explain why Disney hadn't put the original show on Disney+: they were planning to remake (remaster, not reboot) the entire series, starting with a feature-length film released in theaters! But instead of all that, we got this. At least we got a cool LEGO set out of it!
Lightyear twist should be that Zurg is his father disguised as him. It's like the old movies where the plot twist is the villain is him all the time but instead it's reverted as the main villain disguising as the main character and it makes more sense.
There were so many funny and cool characters in the Lightyear Tv show, it's really sad They didn't get the Big screen treatment, his crew in the cartoon is a hundred times better than his movie counterparts crew imo 😂
How I would've handled Zurg to be honest like I would make him Buzz's mentor and father figure aswell renowned Galactic Ranger he once looked up to as well the closest thing to a father for Buzz until one day he disappeared with very little fanfare and without warning and when Buzz finally finds out Zurg is the mentor he once looked up to all those years imagine his reaction to seeing his mentor again who was once presumed dead Also yeah I might somehow blatantly take elements from Sentinel Prime from DOTM and Charles Muntz from Up
what have made more sense as for Zerg to have been the cat. Sure it's completely out of left field at the onset but it could have just been trying to fulfill buzz's obsession to return to the past and fix his mistake and just need more data to make his time machine work or something instead of the whole crystal being irreplaceable excuse. It still has the same pathos about buzz wasting his life but it doesn't demean him by making him a twisted monstrosity and instead it's just his desire taking on the life of its own because of AI.
I don't care what people say about Lightyear. *I* loved it, and that's all that matters to me. Yeah, I can see why people dislike it, but what people see as its weaknesses, I see as its strengths. I thought the change from Buzz' dad to a time travelling Buzz made for a more interesting plot considering how the story was presented. Buzz has an intriguing and relatable flaw, and works on it with fun characters, except for the Taika Waititi one, whom I absolutely hate and was mayhaps a red flag for Waititi as a whole since Thor 4 proved us he could only do the same one type of movie, but that's a different topic. I thought the art direction was gorgeous (and as a junior animator myself, visual identity and effective character design are quite important to me), the voice acting amazing, the music beautiful, the characters all both endearing and hilarious (again, except fpr one), and the float-in-space scene ABSOLUTELY HORRIFYING but in a good way. All in all, this movie was it for me ! Oh and if you don't like this movie because of the kiss scene, you can kindly fuck off. 2 seconds _cannot_ ruin the other 5998 this movie's runtime provides you with, you're just being an asshole. A very petty and immature asshole.
I don't think that Buzz is Zurg, like shown in the movie, all of that stuff is borrowed tech. Zurg is probably still out there, maybe his dad is actually lost to the stars and that's why he jumps to old Buzz being his dad and not a clone or alternate copy. Maybe zurg is a human sized robot, maybe an android, maybe a cyborg. Whatever he is, I think he'll come back to reclaim his empire.
I remember someone made a video about the movie with a spoiler warning and in the thumbnail, they gave Socks Zurg's helmet, I feel that would have been more interesting with the right direction, having him develop a new directive after being alone for years to instead do poorly on purpose to mess with Buzz. He could also have been sent by the rest of the alien world, you know the one seen in the Star Command cartoon as an ambassador or sorts, holding them back on the planet with his poor quantum juice work as they develop their tech to be similar to theirs, or even a beacon, one hijacked by Zurg.
Zurg is suppose to be an intimidating but also comedic galactic emperor. Why couldn't we just get that? He's basically an alternate version of Darth Vader.
Also, I’m glad that you recognize that not only was that scene in toy story 2 was a parody of Star Wars, but it was just a joke. It’s not canon. But even if it does become canon since the real Zurg is still out there, I wouldn’t mind. But lead up to it instead of him automatically saying it to Buzz. Yeah, I know people don’t like the movie but each their own. I love this movie. And no, I didn’t purchase the 4K disc just because my whole toy story collection is on 4K ha ha. But I just feel like this movie is extremely underrated.
I feel like this was the type of movie that really didn’t need a twist. A simple story would’ve sufficed, especially given that it’s supposed to be a 90s sci fi. It should have been a coming of age story in which buzz was a recruit hoping to follow the footsteps of his father, who was one of the most talented space rangers but eventually lost his life in combat or something. Then the “twist” is that his father lived and became emperor zurg.
The only reason old buzz is considered a villain is cuz buzz doesn't understand time travel. Literally nothing would happen if his plans were completed.
They spent a lot of screen time building up the mystery of Zurg, which justifies the exposition dump. The info given also significantly modifies the narrative stakes in a way that stays dramatic. 100% agree, this is the scene that makes the movie.
My biggest complaint is that Lightyear was framed as the 1990s space opera that inspired the Buzz Lightyear figure in the Toy Story movies. However, Lightyear is written like a 2020s remake of a 1990s classic, with its progressive elements and expectation subversions. It doesn't feel like a 90s space opera, and it deliberately subverts the expectations gained by the context clues we received in Toy Story 1 and 2. In a vacuum, Lightyear is a perfectly competent movie, but you can't convince me that this was the movie that Andy watched in the 90s that drove his interest in the character and sparked the plot of Toy Story. Furthermore, you can't convince me that Andy would have watched this movie and wanted a Buzz Lightyear toy over a Socks toy.
I still think something they should have done.. Have Zerg be an AI robot Star Command made to replace Buzz after he seemingly disappeared in the wormhole, based on his mission history and it ended up going rogue. That would have been a MUCH better reveal in the post credits or something, where we find zerg survived and part of his face is missing revealing the mechanics underneath.
I wish they went a little more into detail about the drug ship, it kind of makes no sense how buzz decided to go in a random direction and light speed with no destination in mind to all of sudden find an alien ship with no one there. maybe buzz was trying to dissect an alien code that led him there. but that isn't canon, it doesn't make that much sense to run into space like that because there's a super high chance of buzz getting lost in an infinite space. missed opportunities wasted mystery factors.
na you know what would be cool. after buzz came back from his travel, he would see that his place has fully turned into zergs fortress and zerg could have been the main offiser guy that didnt want to return home. that would be so good
You know, if this movie wasn't a time travel plot, I could see the twist instead being that the Buzz we've been on this journey with was actually a clone and Zurg is the original. The context of things would change completely but it would be an interesting idea all the same.
I honestly don’t mind the idea of this twist, I just think it needed to be built up better and explained in a way that didn’t create too many plot holes.
As much as I enjoyed the callbacks when you analyze the core story I think maybe it could’ve work better as it’s own thing and not a Toy Story spin-off
They introduced Characters in the team that were so bland and generic. Compared to the ones from Buzz Lightyear of Star Command, the team actually felt more diverse and unique.
Thank God I didn't see this movie. I would have felt ripped off with that twist villain of future Buzz being Zurg. At least Puss In Boots 2 was smart about it and did away with twist villains entirely.
I felt lightyear was underrated, but I also have little nostalgia for toy story. I understand why fans would've been dissatisfied, but I didn't want anymore toy story. I wanted a buzz lightyear of star command reboot, and I think that's pretty much what I got.
The only genuinely hilarious thing about this film is the fact that it said that people went on several social media sites to complain about the evil gays included in this film, yet they are the least terrible thing about it as a whole
Personally I'm working on the idea that this Zurg isn't Zurg, Zurg is an as-of-yet unseen alien emperor figure that owns that shit and those robots and the mechanized suit and old Buzz is just a squatter. This movie isn't about Zurg, it's about Buzz facing his own inner demons and thus projecting his insecurities/evils onto a facade, ultimately I think the actual Zurg will return in whatever sequel there might be. Doubly so Zurg will hate Buzz because Buzz knows the giant mecha body is a shell.
I wish they would have gone with a more fun space epic adventure like Star Wars with Zurg being the evil emperor super villain who wants to take over the univers. Would have made more sense in my opinion
Zurg should've been the rookie so that way there'd be motivation for Zurg to hate Buzz bc how little Buzz had confidence in the rookie from the beginning of the movie. It would've fit the message of what movie was going for very well when Buzz was forced to trust rookies to portray what happens when you mistreat ppl and have faith in ppl.
The thing that did not make sense in this movie is Buzz's motivation because none of the other characters were mad at him for stranding them and are going about their lives in the colony. Which makes the villain motivation not make any sense either.
this twist is so annoying because in order to go back in time via time dilation, you'd had to go at negative speed which, unlike in sm64, is literally *IMPOSSIBLE*
I haven't watched the movie yet but I'm guessing Zurg attacks the Earth, after he established Base on the earth either 3, or 10 years. He either: Died Away from the location of his ship Backup Ship to the space Hunting the survivor
And this is why I've always prefered Andrew Stanton and Peter Sohn over Pete Docter. Not only do I find his films overrated, but I think he is just doing a crappy job of running Pixar
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I understand what they were going for. They wanted Buzz to see clearly for himself what his obsession with getting the colony home would turn him into. The problem is, there was no indication that Buzz would ever go thlhat far, or become this deranged and selfish. I can appreciate the attempt, but it just doesn't work like it should.
Yeah, the writing team really needed to put the story through one last draft. Or better yet, just make Zurg literally anyone else.
I was optimistic for most of the movie, but that scene kind of completely lost me.
It's definitely the movie's biggest flaw in my opinion.
@@garnetbird7557 This movie has many flaws, but this is the biggest story wise.
I though the same ! If only there had been even the most subtle personnality foreshadowing, then I would have bought in an easier way the whole twist revelation.
I feel like Zurg should've just been a straightforward bad guy or Buzz's father instead of just Buzz from the future. Sure it's subversive as a twist, but it creates more questions than answers about the time travel logistics of this film.
Plus the reason as to what made Zurg from the original light year cartoons so good was because he had humor but was still a intimidating villain through his strength and intellect, he had his own individual character. To simply have him as a literal copy and paste of Buzz but evil just ripped away his individuality as a character and shoved in a “moral message” for buzz light year, dumbing down any unique and interesting character traits he could’ve had if they hadn’t settled with such a pathetic twist. The only way they can redeem this villain in the movies is if in the sequel, evil Buzz loses the armor which is given to a new character who happens to become the real “emperor Zurg.”
Specially considering how they threated time travel as "only forward", which is how it works on modern physics. Overall a very poorly though message for the sake of twist, and that's honestly what i can extract of the film in general, an underwhelming film ruined by poorly though decisions, most notably being boring for kids.
@@donian544 People seem to fail to realize that sometimes, a straightforward villain can definitely be a good villain, as long as they have character and a way they can convince the audience as to why they make an effective villain in the first place.
Edit: you don’t need a twist to make a villain great.
Him being Zurg’s father would’ve been predictable.
@@PussInBootsTheLastWishFan2003 And? Predictable IS NOT a bad thing on kids movies; Rattatouile's plot is fairly predictable all things considered, and is considered a masterpiece for good reasons. If anything it would have been a good way of creating a genuine son-father talk, of how he descend into doing increasingly deplorable stuff, and how he was seeing his son doing the same, how he became alone due to time travel. Sometimes expectative subvertion just damages the writting.
I had two theories before the revel.
1.After Buzz and the crew went missing, his father returned to the space program to find him. Ends up alone an dfinds the alien ship. As time past his body started to fail he had to replace human parts with robotic to keep himself alive, going mad in the process.
2.Buzz's father went missing whike on a mission inspiring Buzz to join the program. Meanwhile his father was desperate to return home, he finds the alien ship, but it doesn't run yet. He spends years reparing it, and like before is getting old and replaces patts with metal
going mad.
Both theories had a man driven mad by desperation to be with his family. He'd even ask Buzz to join him in his empire.
I honestly wish they would have stuck with Zurg being Buzz's dad. Sure, it was just a Star Wars reference in the movie. But idk, I liked it. Would have been cool to see. Oh well tho, they dropped the ball
@Eli Sanoro Yeah and retconning that created several plot holes for the toys tory universe. Namely the second movie. If the toy line was based on Andy's fav sci-fi film them why on earth would the toy line change buzz's backstory? In real life doing something like that generally wouldn't be received well with audiences
Although that kind of storyline was used that actually sounds a lot cooler than what we got maybe make his father some kind of star command space legend, inspiring buzz to become buzz Lightyear
This is a better plot entirely
I buy that, there was even a scrapped scene where his dad (Larry Lightyear, like how originally Buzz was going to be called Lunar Lazzy) said he owned the aliens and told them to find his son.
Personally I have the headcanon that the Zurg tech corrupted Old Buzz into being evil and preserving the technology, kinda like Reapers from Mass Effect.
My biggest problem with this is that Zurg is supposed to be an evil emperor wanting to take over the galaxy. basically if Darth Vader was the emperor this whole time. making him an older version of Buzz obsessed with going back in time to fix a mistake he made just has no link to the Zurg we've always known. 'It's a retcon of the original' but wait, this was supposed to be the same movie Andy saw as a kid that made him want the Buzz toy, right? because they mention Zurg being an evil emperor in the first Toy Story movie.
There's just so many plot holes in this movie. this is why I'm sticking to the 2D Buzz movie from the early 2000s.
The robots call buzz zurg because they cannot mathematically understand his name and mess it up, in the movie old buzz said he borrowed the technology, so there could still be an overlord with robots that call him zurg its just no one will go to see it after this movie.
I do agree with the “this is the movie andy saw” part, it does contradict a lot of stuff, but why are you so adamant on this movie having to be like the original 2D? Why not base your opinion off of this movie itself, not how it compares, or how it’s not like the original 2D film?
@@LadyDuckington I'm sticking to the 2D movie because it's more consistent. I said nothing else. I never said it had to have the same characters and same plot. I just want things to line up so that it explains Buzz's character in the Toy Story movie. that's all. I mean, that was my entire comment. this not having anything to do with what was set up in Toy Story 1. since it's not consistent, I decided to go back to the 2D movie.
Not sure where you got the idea that I wanted this to be exactly like the 2D movie. the plot just doesn't make sense in the 3D movie. that's all I said.
this youtuber needs a life ..
@@JohnSmith-bw6pv For paying attention and noticing things just don't make sense? just blindly following whatever anyone says without thinking about anything on your own? your grades in school must have been abysmal because you heard two completely different stories in history class and believed both of them. Lol
The real Zurg is actually somewhere out there because old Buzz said that everything in the ship is borrowed
Edit: wow I can't believe have this many likes all because of this theory
Ow wow I didn't even think of that!
So it’s definitely a similar case to what happened in the MCU where the Mandarin makes his big debut only to be revealed to just be a washed up actor all for a subversive twist on an iconic villain that proved controversial, only this time, it’s with the Emperor Zurg and the Emperor is really an alternate universe version of Buzz. And if they do a follow-up to Lightyear, they’re similarly going to do back track to rectify the mistake and reveal the Zurg in the film was a fake and the REAL Zurg exists and is mad at the fake Zurg for using his identity.
Pretty much
If you watch SuperCarlinBrothers' video, you'll get the best explanation for all this
@@chonkeyshonkey I seen it already
It's funny in the 2000s cartoon, Buzz Lightyear of Star Command there was an alternate universe Buzz Lightyear, and was working for emperor Zug. The episode "The Lightyear Factor", Zug finds a portal to an parallel universe, there he encounters the evil Buzz, hoping to use this as an advantage to destroy Star Command and complete Zug's conquest, the good Buzz gets tricked, then is banished to the alternate universe, there the good Buzz witness the horrors left behind by the evil Buzz's atrocities. For a Disney cartoon TV show, this episode is quite bleak, one of the darkest episodes for BLoSC, it showed that Buzz is capable of doing great wickedness, even greater than Zug. Although the recent Pixar film kind of shows this, it didn't go far enough, it seem Pixar did want to try, but was block by Disney to keep it as family friendly as possible, which is too bad, the old TV show was for children and families too, yet had the courage and confidence that their audience could handle dark stories, coming out of lighthearted content.
Sadly the Pixar brass still regains Lasseters disaster for the Star command show. The director never even considered the show at all
There is evidence that they wanted to make a completely different film, like there is test footage shown in the Beyond Lightyear documentary that showed Robo-dogs eating plasma-bolts and one the lead directors talking about how much he loved films.
No Lee Unkrich. No John Lasseter. No Andrew Stanton. Not sure how you can have a Toy Story-related movie without those three.
@@zaryalace7475 Consider that this director was also there from the beginning.
Had this been more divorced from Pixar maybe they could've drawn from the Star command series and been its own thing
Lightyear can make all the twists and time travel gabagoo it wants, but it still makes the Buzz Lightyear Of Star Command series the better adaptation.
I remember that show as a kid. It was so good!
Agreed.
@tannerprice2018 its so funny realizing how many twist this film has
Is this really what young Andy watch in theatre lmao
I have mixed feelings about "Toy Story 5." It feels as though they're merely cashing in on a beloved childhood franchise, and with Woody being separated from the rest of his friends, there doesn't seem to be any way to further the story.
I hope they talk about children who attached to devices (like phones and tablets) and adults who still love and keep their toys.
@@davidzea-smith1417 MAA THE PLAY STATION IS ALIVE AGAIN!!!
I hope they don't do the fast & furious thing of having great way to end the franchise but don't
I’m just not feeling it with a lot of Disney’s upcoming sequels.
If you don't want Pixar to make more sequels, then it's imperative that you watch Elemental in theaters this year, and Elio in theaters next year.
*Zurg:* Surrender, Buzz! I have won.
*Buzz Lightyear:* No. I never give in. You killed my father.
*Zurg:* No... I am BUZZ LIGHTYEAR
*Buzz Lightyear:* No. I'm the real Buzz Lightyear.
*Zurg:* I'm Buzz Lightyear
*Buzz Lightyear:* I'm Buzz Lightyear
*Sox:* So, who's the real Buzz?
*Buzz Lightyear and Zurg:* I AM!
*STRANGE ISN'T IT!?*
*Zurg:* Don't let this imposter fool you! He's been trained by me myself to mimic my every move!
@@ChimeraMK **opens impostors helmet**
They Buzz now?
@@EmDillyDoo Zurg: ACK! Ack! **gasp** Ugh! Ack!
Now seeing this, I had a fascinating idea. Old Buzz said he found this ship, and that he started using it and the technology inside to try and fix his mistake. And, many other people have suggested that perhaps that means that there is a Real Emperor Zurg, that Old Buzz simply took his name and ship. But I'd like to take that one step further.
The reason why the robots call Buzz 'Zurg' is because it's the only name they can say. The name of their master. And Zurg could actually be a threat in this film for the third act.
What if Zurg was indeed Buzz Lightyear's father, a previous member of Star Command, perhaps considered a Genius in mechanics, robotics, and technology in general, who vanished while testing newly developed time-travel-technology. This could be set up with some high brass in SC comparing him to his father. Buzz may be desperate to prove that he his own man, maybe better, or maybe to just live up to the legacy left to him, driving him to commit to his missions and be additional motivation for why he pushes himself so much to get the Turnip off the planet. Maybe he could even have an emotional moment with Sox or the other crew members that he never really knew his father; He was always too busy with his own work and goals to spend time with his own son. And that being constantly compared to a man he never truly knew. Making him feel like he needs to do something colossal to live up to his Father's legacy, while never learning what his father was actually like.
Cut to when he mets Old Buzz on Zurg's ship. The scene can initially start the same, except we have clues in the background. When they come to the central console for the time-crystal-mcguffin, Buzz notices the old and worn Star Command design of it, different to the 'newer' parts of the ship. He asks Old Buzz, who offhandedly mentions that it was like this when he found it. That the rest of the ship seems built around it. But this time they actually have a conversation in that reactor room, and current Buzz convinces Old Buzz not to go back in time to reset things, by convincing him that the people have made a life and are happy now. Old Buzz is still Buzz, he just needs to see.
This is where we'd Introduce Zurg, as the true Villain of the Piece. Zurg is Buzz's father, who's accident with the time-travel technology sent him millions of years away from his current time. He spent years surviving in space, building robots to help him live, expanding his ship as he continues experimenting with the time travel technology to try and get back home. He manages to jump back in the timeline, but reaches a roadblock. He's too narrow-minded and persistent in his goal he can't figure out how to continue travelling back in the past. He spends years surviving in space, before Old Buzz stumbles across his ship. And Zurg gets an idea, and hides himself away. Undetectable to life scanners now, because of how augmented he is with technology, representing how little he cared for his humanity. Zurg was always an ambitious man, warped by a need to survive, and the belief that now that he's built all of this, he doesn't need to go back to Star Command anymore. The end-goal of going back in time and conquering the world with the technology he's managed to build. But first he needs to fix the time-warp-drive. And so he subtly manipulates Old Buzz into doing the work for him. Letting his robots make suggestions that lead Old Buzz into doing what he wants.
Now the introduction. When both of the Buzz's decide against going back in time, they unintentionally foil Zurg's plan. But he now knows what to do, thanks to all the work the two had done up until this point. So now he steps into the picture as the true villain, attempting to capture both Buzz's and take the time-crystal-mcguffin for himself. Old Buzz sacrifices himself so current Buzz can escape, and live a life without regret as he had, leading to the 3rd act climax of Buzz reuniting with the old crew and maybe the colonists to come up with a plan to thwart Zurg, as Zurg makes plans to attack and steal the time-crystal-mcguffin.
Of course, this is all just a base idea I threw together, with some stuff that could fit in but I'm not certain where. Like Current BUzz confronting Zurg and learning that Zurg is Buzz's father, and the conversation they'll have after that, as well as perhaps establishing that Star Command Heavily Limited experimentation with Time Travel after the failed experiment with Zurg due to how dangerous, costly and unsuccessful it had been. (As well as the head Genius on the project disappeared with it. That person being Zurg.)
I love this idea
This would be so much better than the actual events that unfolded in the movie. It’s probably a plot that a lot of people have seen in various other movies, but it would be an amazing callback to the original Toy Story. To add onto that though, maybe Zurg obtained his Emperor status by conquering moons, planets, and other celestial bodies to add onto his already-advanced technology.
I’m just surprised that Andy in Toy Story had amazing animation in his time
I am surprised that he wanted a Buzz Lightyear toy
And a film with a lesbian family represented
It's also possible that this is just what live-action films look like within the Toy-story universe.
I always took it as this being live-action from the in-universe perspective
@@re1010 that was what the directors had in mind too
I remember seeing something spread around saying they had to add the cat for comedic relief because the movie was too dark otherwise. Which is what initially convinced me to watch it.
It was a lie.
They added the cat because it would've been too boring.
Doesn't make any sense. Angus MacClane also directed the short film Small Fry which had excellent comedic timing. Yet Lightyear is rarely ever funny or fun.
Yeah who thought it was a good idea to have this take place on one planet with space rangers?
Even if you have to put them on one planet at least make it interesting to look at. For all its faults Strange world at least made the planet they were look interesting, here all that's on this planet are some moving plants and generic alien bugs.
@@zaryalace7475 large project vs small project
@@seanandrews5329 yea and also it was made a long time ago when the original Pixar brain trust was still there. Lightyear had to suffer the pandemic on top of absense of the old guard.
@@zaryalace7475 trust? Small guard? What are those?
Imagine if the line about the robots calling Buzz “Zurg” was changed to this:
“These robots were programmed to call their master Zurg. I’ve gotten used to it.”
Kinda like Mass Effect 2. Anyone in the Shadow Broker's office was referred to as the SB
I find it hilarious that Disney advertise Lightyear as this "ANIMATION THAT WILL REVOLUTIONIZE ANIMATION AS A WHOLE" and how expensive the animation graphics are only to *bombed* at the box office. Meanwhile, it's getting beaten by a cheaper, yet stylisticly cartoony and less realistic, spaniard cat in boots making a impact online and audience and at the box office.
Arcane is more revolutionary than light year
Mainly because audiences were confused about it being out in cinemas (where the pandemic has made it scarce) or Disney+ (a new system that some people are starting on). I told my neighbor about my interest on the movies atm and I mentioned lightyear, and it was the first that she heard of it… talked to 2 more people about movies that I was excited about and gotten the same reaction “there’s a buzz lightyear movie coming out?”
I like what Old Buzz (Zurg) represents in this movie. He is basically a metaphor of insanity and unhealthy perfectionism. Unlike Buzz, Zurg had become so mind set on wanting to achieve hyper speed so he could finish the mission, it became an obsession. Even to the point where he doesn't care who gets effected. The way he says: "Who's Izzy?" also adds to that. By having this element, it adds to the moral of the film that some times in life we have to live with the mistakes we make.
The twist of Zurg being older Buzz shouldn’t have really happened. It leaves you with some plot holes like
1. How is there an alternative Buzz?
2. How did he get to this universe?
3. Why is he evil? Was he not as good as our Buzz before becoming Zurg?
Let’s be honest here: Buzz is a really good guy, so it doesn’t make sense that he’d become evil or something.
I definitely didn’t see this twist coming but again, it should’ve just been Zurg. Not an older evil version of Buzz
All 3 questions are answered in the movie
Dude if you paid attention to the movie, all of that is explained.
@@cinematicgoodness7325 But not in an organic "This makes sense" way, more in a "that's how it happened. Accept it" way.
@@N12015 I disagree, but to each their own.
Should’ve just made it anyone else but Buzz, have it be real Zurg or Buzz’s Dad. Sure people will have seen it coming but it was the idea of a serious depiction of the silly Evil Emperor, which they did do. Before this reveal Zurg was mysterious and intimidating, and the design was just perfect 👌 for it. Ah what could’ve been.
There was definitely some plot holes about that time travel part. Science-fiction is tricky, but I think that plot twist of Zurg being Buzz could have being feasible. But for that to work and make sense, there should have been important changes to the story. And I am not only talking about timetravel elements. If some elements of Buzz's character and his flaws had be approached differently, then the twist of him becoming Zurg would have been more credible, because right from the beginning of the movie, Buzz's flaws would already have hinted that possibility of him turning badly (whitout even guessing he was to become Zurg). Basically, I am saying that, from my point of view, there wasn't enough personnality foreshadowing so then I would say "Yes, of course, because Buzz already showed hints early that his flaws were beginning to drag him a path downer, it makes sense he would become Zurg because I now realise Zurg is what is Buzz would be if his flaws were exploited to the maximum !!!". Sorry but I didn't fully get that feeling when I saw that big twist revelation...
You are right. Maybe a few scenes showing his odd obsession with cyborgs and also a gradual dehumanization of his character.
Zurg really should’ve been buzz’s father, it could even turn out that zurg wanted to give over the zurg empire to his son
I kind of wanted it to relate to buzz lightyear of star command but i think it was made to make us forget buzz lightyear of star command
Exactly, which is why we should hate it lmao
Editing felt like a big step up on this one! You're doing such a great job growing as a creator~
Honest question: would Izzy *actually* not be born?
Future-Buzz (Zurg) says that by him coming back in time to rewrite his own past, he's created a new timeline. Otherwise, he would've paradoxed himself out of existence. After all, Present-Buzz not going forward in time again is literally a break in the timeline diverging him from Zurg... yet both Buzz's persist, even alongside each other. He even says, "This is a new now that's never been lived!"
What Zurg did was make BOTH events true. Buzz both went into the future to become Zurg AND stayed in the past to meet Izzy, it's the only way they can be in this scene together. And the movie asserts this as true. If anything, time-travel is more of a TIMELINE-travel, rather than a recourse of one, "true" history.
So then if they went back in time again and undid the initial mission failure, that would make for another timeline jump. This time, into a reality where Alicia will become a space ranger again. But the course of events where Alicia has her daughter Izzy (and where this whole movie takes place) is JUST AS VALID, it's just left behind in THIS timeline. As Zurg said, time-travel takes them to "a new now that's never been lived", it DOESN'T erase anything, it is a purely CREATIVE action.
So in other words: Izzy would still exist, but all that changes is Buzz doesn't stay in that timeline with her.
But the movie suddenly abandons it's own rules and asserts that timeline-alteration is a DESTRUCTIVE process and Izzy would be ERASED instead of PARALLEL. It comes off as a contrivance to make Zurg out to be a thematic bad guy (or even just an outright liar about his own exposition) instead of granting his motivations the narrative credence he just explained. If anything, this makes Present-Buzz is the *actual* selfish one, since he denied Alicia a timeline where she doesn't give up her dreams (again, Izzy is NOT lost, it's a completely new, ADDITIVE timeline), but that gets distracted by the narrative instead focusing on Zurg's guilt. It takes the fact that since Zurg stands to gain favor with that timeline, it's the "wrong" choice to make.
It's a really muddy finale, especially since I think there could've been a fantastic moral clashing between Buzz and Zurg on the ethics of keeping everyone stuck on a wholly-hostile planet (that no doubt got a lot people killed) vs undermining the cultural history and technological advancements they made in spite of the planet. I could go on with more (especially with who I think Zurg SHOULD'VE been), but I think that's enough.
7:54 THANK YOU! I swear those people didn't even watch the movie. Future Buzz says, "I changed the welcoming party" that isn't some throwaway line.
I really liked the lightyear film! I was shocked that it wasn’t as big as it was. I see comments about Zurg being flawed, but I felt like it was a perfect metaphor for how much Buzz’s life was overly controlled by his goal and how it caused him to lose a life he could have lived. He finds a ship, finds these powerful robots, doesn’t care about what the hell is going on planet side, so long as he gets the means to undo everything he did, he doesn’t care what he does now, because he’s planning on pressing the reset button anyway. Those robots destroyed a lot and he is just thinking about how to undo it all, rather then making sure the damage doesn’t happen again! Even having the robots work for him, just to do that!
I feel like a lot of people treat the “Zurg was actually Buzz the whole time” as only there to be a plot twist, but I loved that he was the villain then whole time. A selfless character turned selfish, because he tries to fix a mistake, rather then make the best of the situation. Also, if the time travel was working on multiverse, It would be only icing on the cake that Zurg was destained to find the same problems over and over again, as if seeking the goal is only unhealthy and leading to his own self destruction anyway. Buzz was always destained to defeat Zurg.
I feel as if this movie would have been better if it did all the cliches of space movies but adapting it to Toy Story Buzz's style, whilst introducing with it a darker tone with augmented visuals, and make it more coherent in the original Toy Story lore, where he appears as just another super cool movie figure, and you're curious to see how his story goes. The movie really only needed to be that.
(Fair Warning: Long comment as I go on a rant to explain my issue with this scene.)
The biggest problem with this twist is also the biggest problem with the movie: It's not what the toys were based on.
The marketing as well as the text at the beginning of the movie says that this was the movie Andy saw as a kid. However it is impossible for this to be that movie.
Isolate on its own, this scene and the twist of Zurg being Future Buzz is fine, good even. Time travel is always messy, personally I saw it as a Terminator style time travel where going into the past creates a parallel timeline that does not interfere with the original to avoid paradoxes. Future Buzz going back in time split the timeline so his version of the events still happened to avoid fading away Back to The Future style.
Narratively it works with the message the movie is going for. Buzz needs to avoid becoming so obsessed with "finishing the mission" and seeing a future, corrupted version of himself helps getting the message across.
What doesn't work is that Toy Story 2 has the iconic "I am your father" scene which yes is a Star Wars joke but in universe it was "canon" with both Zurg & Buzz acting like it was true.
The Toy Story movies clearly & repetitively establish that when a toy is fresh out of the box, they believe they are the characters that they are based on. Buzz believed he was _the_ Buzz Lightyear and thus acted like the actual character did.
So, Movie Buzz should've acted like the toy version same with Movie Zurg but they don't here, they're clearly very different characters with new traits & goals.
Also the designs of Buzz & Zurg don't make sense, yes Buzz gets his iconic suit at the end but for most of the movie he does not have wings or a laser so why do all of the toys use the same design? There should've been toys based off the other suit with it's unique features because toy companies love to make toys based off different outfits just look at Star Wars.
Zurg though, the toy is literally based on a different version of the character! Why does he have a cape? Where's his legs? Why can't his arms extend like in the movie? Why is the official backstory that he's an evil emperor that's trying to take over the Galaxy when in the movie he just wants to undo his mistakes? Future Buzz wasn't evil, just heavily misguided. Yes he's not the Real Zurg but the toys are supposed to be based off the movie, and Real Zurg isn't in it.
Lightyear is a modern reboot/adaptation that Toy Story fans are seeing as adults, and it should've been marketed as such.
"This is a movie Andy is seeing in his 30s, it's based on one of his favorite toys from his childhood."
Buzz behaving differently and not voiced by Tim Allen? New version of the character.
Characters that don't appear in the TS movies? Literally new characters.
The darker & slower tone of the movie? It's a modern, more dramatic take on the character.
The plot twist of Zurg being Future Buzz instead of his dad? Doesn't contradict anything as it's a new version of the story. (As previously mentioned Future Buzz is not the Real Zurg but the ending teases Future Buzz returning in a sequel so he might as well be.)
It doesn't fix all of the problems but it is insane how many questions & contradictions are solved by NOT saying that this is the original film that the toys were based on.
It feels like a last minute thing made up for the marketing and no one stopped to think of the implications, like that official drawing of Andy sitting in the theater with his toys which included the Little Green Men which Andy didn't have in TS1.
it's kind of scary how close your thoughts on this movie line up with mine
The biggest problem with Lightyear is the shoe-horned in idea that this is a movie in the Toy Story universe that Andy saw as a kid. Drop that single entirely unnecessary idea, and the movie rules.
@@captainvader921 Fast slap yourself, it will break the link
Fun fact, terminator timelines is actually super confusing as there are 3 seperate timelines: t1 t2 t3 and terminator salvation, the second being t1 terminator genisys, and the third being t1 t2 terminator dark fate
so from movies 1-4 its a time loop but in the other 2 its branching timelines
When Lightyear was in theaters, I read an article about an interview where the film's production team said that originally the villain was supposed to be Buzz's father, but Disney pressured and pushed them to change it because everyone already knew that and therefore Disney wanted a twisted villain in the movie to bring some suprise moment and the team had to think about how it would succeed while being faithful to the source material.
Why is it that Disney cares more about having twists than having the story make sense? (Frozen is another example of that.)
Honestly the idea the future Buzz stole the ship from the actual Zerg was very interesting to me and makes the movie more fun to watch.
If I'm being honest if this movie wasn't a buzz light-year movie then I honestly would've loved it
But that would require making new characters. Why do that when you can advertise with tried and true nostalgia bait?
I'm going to say something controversial: I really liked this twist.
People going on and on about how they should have stuck with established canon are being stupid. The "I am your father" bit was always meant to be a dig at Star Wars, and nothing more. I liked that they even payed it off the way they did.
And as for those that say that this Buzz would never do the sorts of things "Zurg" did: have you been watching the same movie I have? Because I totally believe he would. First of all, this Buzz has been alone for 50 years, with nothing but robots to keep him company. That will drive anyone insane. And secondly: Buzz showed early on that he's capable of extremes when it goes to fulfilling his mission. What else do you call the thing he experienced with the time jumps? "Zurg" is the extreme of that. He spend so long trapped in his own headspace - completely alone, I'll remind you again - that he has lost all ability to emphasize. The only thing that matters to him anymore is that _he_ gets what _he_ wants - even if what he wants is seemingly "selfless".
The “I am your father” line wasn’t really a “dig” at Star Wars, it was a REFERENCE to Star Wars, which Buzz Lightyear lore is full of. I never got the impression they were trying to mock Empire Strikes Back at all. It was a wink and a nod sure, but they still took it at face value. They even have a follow up scene with buzz and zurg playing catch to show that, yes, they really are father and son in a goofy lighthearted way.
Hell, buzz’s canon backstory in TS1 was an almost line for line copy of the plot to A New Hope. I don’t think that was ever intended to be some kind of insult towards that storyline, it was there to 1) be a reference for the audience to get and 2) show the disconnect between Buzz’s fantastical backstory and reality.
You can dismiss it if you want, but completely changing it for the 40th forgettable twist villain was a pretty terrible idea.
I'm so happy that while watching the film I was able to pickup on the subtle hints of whenever buzz talked about himself the next scene involved zurg, I was able to predict the twist before it happened and I was super proud of picking up on atleast the bigger hints during my 1st watch of this film
Meanwhile, Real Zurg’s just in the future in a little shuttle, like, “… Where’s my ship?”
I didn't realize that Buzz jumped like in the Toy Story 2 opening. According to Angus Maclane in January of 2023, this twist happened because of Ad Astra having a father son thing in it. The twist is confusing but I'll admit it shocked me.
When I saw this in theaters, the entire audience gasped when Zurg was revealed to be an older Buzz. And it was not a good gasp.
If the twist was that Zurg was secretly Mr Potatohead you'd also be shocked, but it wouldn't make it good.
@@anib8863 Imagine Zurg did that reveal pose and then another Zurg was underneath
For how disappointed I and everyone else was with this film, you are somehow able to find and appreciate the intricacies of filmmaking. That’s really cool, except when you almost convince me to rewatch a movie where they talk about meat sandwiches for 8 minutes straight.
I think it would of been better to have it actualy been buzzes father, who goes out to try and find his sons lost ship and when he finds the colony and finds out about the time travel he traps them and awaits buzzs return so he can go back intime to prevent his son from ever being lost in the first place
I always wanted this movie to not be a movie that exists in the TS universe, but actual events that inspired the Buzz Lightyear cartoon and toy line. I feel like this being the movie that inspired the toy line kinda hurt the movie and the direction the directors went with the movie. Idk probably just me though
Honestly, I feel as though tgey shouldve really leaned into the film within a film. Give us fake production companies and actors. A text screen just feels boring.
Also tgey shouldve not leaned too far into the TS references and making it closer. He's what I wouldve done.
- Buzz saying blast
- Buzz's opening and closing monologues
- have the jetpack hinted at til the final act. Like Izzy and the other rangersgets captured by the Zyclops and Buzz flies to the rescue to start the third act with the wings, reserved for him by Alisha.
- the wrist laser is used after the intro
- don't integrate the devices into the suit, keep that rough look.
- visit other planets and make Zurg more of a threat.
- Save the Zurg reveal til the next movie, but hint to it. It would be cool if the Buzz/Old Buzz stuff was off screen, and we get a sense of Buzz hiding something.
- Give the XL-15 more importance.
- Have Buzz and tge rangers fight Zurg in the past.
This scene Is such a monstrous sucker punch to not only the face of toy story fans and the fabric of time, space and reality
I forgot that this movie even existed
I love Lightyear, I think it's a very underrated movie. The more times I've seen it, the more I've noticed. Just the Toy Story and sci fi references in general should have everyone geeking out, they put alot into this movie. I think Zurg's reveal was good, it opens a few good plot points if they ever continue with the franchise. Who did Buzz steal the ship from, the real Zurg? Buzz being Buzz's own worst enemy is pretty good at establishing a formidable opponent. Why was Buzz not at all surprised at Zurg potentially being his dad? Maybe a Larry Lightyear back story? All good points to be addressed in a sequel. I hope they make a sequel.
I hated this twist I really wish it was his dad or he'll even just a guy who's bad but it being older him just sucked
What people failed to realize is that alternate timeline Buzz basically Roy Burns-ed Zurg's identity! He said explicitly that the Zurg equipment is "borrowed", which would mean he stole it from the real Zurg!
I hope they make a sequel or at least a Disney+ series that helps bring everything into place, because I certainly enjoyed this movie a lot more than most people.
i liked light year and the whole time travel concept. Zurg was written right, for most villains tend to see things one sided and he thought his way was the only way.
I could use a distraction.
Dazz: I bought you 15 minutes.
Heh
Pixar: “You know what would be cool to do with the EVIL EMPEROR ZURG, make him into Buzz from the future, who instead of being evil, he really just wants to undo his bad future, by undoing the timeline that led to them being stranded on the planet!”
Employee: “But how are we going to hint at the possibility of time paradoxes when we only shown the fact that Buzz only moves forward?”
Pixar: “Eh it is time travel so we can do whatever we want!”
I honestly really love the film, I can't hate it, you can tell that they tried and put effort, I can't be mad at that...
I literally watched Lightyear two days ago because I was bored. I didn't mind it. It was entertaining, which is all I was looking for, and it was certainly a preferable experience to watching my brother burn some purple pancakes because he mistook powdered sugar in an unlabeled container for flour. Never a dull cooking moment with that boy.
I honestly love this movie. I don’t understand how people can hate it so much
I don't either. I enjoyed the hell out of it.
The most frustrating (and pointless) part of the entire movie is the fact that Sox fails to memorize the hyperfuel recipe when he solves the ratio problem. Sox is a literal computer, so he should have plenty of photographic memory! Either way, there is no way that Buzz would have run away after successfully completing his mission. He found the right hyperfuel ratio, and now it was up to Commander Burnside to determine whether or not they shourd use it to go home. And even if he did, there shouldn't have been any way to ge BACKWARDS in time--it pretty much undermines the whole point of the movie, which is about enjoying the moment and going with flow. Buzz still could have learned his lesson about being too focused on his mission without the reverse time-travel nonsense. Reverse time travel is always a messy business, because it removes the stakes (like how Harry Potter and the Cursed Child used time travel to undo things in the past, thus making the things that happened in the past meaningless).
I actually really like the idea that this should have been a remake of the original "Buzz Lightyear of Star Command" movie, kicking off a remake of the entire "Buzz Lightyear of Star Command" series. Keep the same story, same characters--just with updated animation and better audio quality. Introduce a whole new generation to what Andy watched that made him want a Buzz Lightyear action figure. Plus, that would explain why Disney hadn't put the original show on Disney+: they were planning to remake (remaster, not reboot) the entire series, starting with a feature-length film released in theaters! But instead of all that, we got this. At least we got a cool LEGO set out of it!
Lightyear twist should be that Zurg is his father disguised as him. It's like the old movies where the plot twist is the villain is him all the time but instead it's reverted as the main villain disguising as the main character and it makes more sense.
There were so many funny and cool characters in the Lightyear Tv show, it's really sad They didn't get the Big screen treatment, his crew in the cartoon is a hundred times better than his movie counterparts crew imo 😂
How I would've handled Zurg to be honest like I would make him Buzz's mentor and father figure aswell renowned Galactic Ranger he once looked up to as well the closest thing to a father for Buzz until one day he disappeared with very little fanfare and without warning and when Buzz finally finds out Zurg is the mentor he once looked up to all those years imagine his reaction to seeing his mentor again who was once presumed dead
Also yeah I might somehow blatantly take elements from Sentinel Prime from DOTM and Charles Muntz from Up
what have made more sense as for Zerg to have been the cat. Sure it's completely out of left field at the onset but it could have just been trying to fulfill buzz's obsession to return to the past and fix his mistake and just need more data to make his time machine work or something instead of the whole crystal being irreplaceable excuse. It still has the same pathos about buzz wasting his life but it doesn't demean him by making him a twisted monstrosity and instead it's just his desire taking on the life of its own because of AI.
I don't care what people say about Lightyear. *I* loved it, and that's all that matters to me. Yeah, I can see why people dislike it, but what people see as its weaknesses, I see as its strengths.
I thought the change from Buzz' dad to a time travelling Buzz made for a more interesting plot considering how the story was presented. Buzz has an intriguing and relatable flaw, and works on it with fun characters, except for the Taika Waititi one, whom I absolutely hate and was mayhaps a red flag for Waititi as a whole since Thor 4 proved us he could only do the same one type of movie, but that's a different topic.
I thought the art direction was gorgeous (and as a junior animator myself, visual identity and effective character design are quite important to me), the voice acting amazing, the music beautiful, the characters all both endearing and hilarious (again, except fpr one), and the float-in-space scene ABSOLUTELY HORRIFYING but in a good way. All in all, this movie was it for me !
Oh and if you don't like this movie because of the kiss scene, you can kindly fuck off. 2 seconds _cannot_ ruin the other 5998 this movie's runtime provides you with, you're just being an asshole. A very petty and immature asshole.
Agree
I don't think that Buzz is Zurg, like shown in the movie, all of that stuff is borrowed tech. Zurg is probably still out there, maybe his dad is actually lost to the stars and that's why he jumps to old Buzz being his dad and not a clone or alternate copy. Maybe zurg is a human sized robot, maybe an android, maybe a cyborg. Whatever he is, I think he'll come back to reclaim his empire.
Seeing that a signature of a buzz lightyear borrowing his stuff, Zurg takes it very personally
I remember someone made a video about the movie with a spoiler warning and in the thumbnail, they gave Socks Zurg's helmet, I feel that would have been more interesting with the right direction, having him develop a new directive after being alone for years to instead do poorly on purpose to mess with Buzz.
He could also have been sent by the rest of the alien world, you know the one seen in the Star Command cartoon as an ambassador or sorts, holding them back on the planet with his poor quantum juice work as they develop their tech to be similar to theirs, or even a beacon, one hijacked by Zurg.
having socks be zerg honestly wouldve been a kickass twist tbh
I laughed at how buzz went full on savitar of CW's The Flash
Zurg is suppose to be an intimidating but also comedic galactic emperor. Why couldn't we just get that? He's basically an alternate version of Darth Vader.
Also, I’m glad that you recognize that not only was that scene in toy story 2 was a parody of Star Wars, but it was just a joke. It’s not canon. But even if it does become canon since the real Zurg is still out there, I wouldn’t mind. But lead up to it instead of him automatically saying it to Buzz.
Yeah, I know people don’t like the movie but each their own. I love this movie. And no, I didn’t purchase the 4K disc just because my whole toy story collection is on 4K ha ha. But I just feel like this movie is extremely underrated.
Sure this scene changed light-year, that doesn't mean it's a good change
On the thumbnail somebody should edit zurg with the infinity gauntlet
I feel like this was the type of movie that really didn’t need a twist. A simple story would’ve sufficed, especially given that it’s supposed to be a 90s sci fi. It should have been a coming of age story in which buzz was a recruit hoping to follow the footsteps of his father, who was one of the most talented space rangers but eventually lost his life in combat or something. Then the “twist” is that his father lived and became emperor zurg.
The only reason old buzz is considered a villain is cuz buzz doesn't understand time travel. Literally nothing would happen if his plans were completed.
It looks like a half-tardis arena half-Luke vs. Vader pathway. Interesting.
Honestly I just wanted zurg to be an evil space emperor. I miss the classic disney villains who get to just ham it up
Too much credit is being given. The plot holes and just absurdity of evil buzz is too much for me to gobble this stupid twist
They spent a lot of screen time building up the mystery of Zurg, which justifies the exposition dump. The info given also significantly modifies the narrative stakes in a way that stays dramatic. 100% agree, this is the scene that makes the movie.
“Zurg”: you look good Buzz
Buzz: you tried killing me repeatedly and now youre happy with me???
My biggest complaint is that Lightyear was framed as the 1990s space opera that inspired the Buzz Lightyear figure in the Toy Story movies. However, Lightyear is written like a 2020s remake of a 1990s classic, with its progressive elements and expectation subversions. It doesn't feel like a 90s space opera, and it deliberately subverts the expectations gained by the context clues we received in Toy Story 1 and 2. In a vacuum, Lightyear is a perfectly competent movie, but you can't convince me that this was the movie that Andy watched in the 90s that drove his interest in the character and sparked the plot of Toy Story. Furthermore, you can't convince me that Andy would have watched this movie and wanted a Buzz Lightyear toy over a Socks toy.
I still think something they should have done..
Have Zerg be an AI robot Star Command made to replace Buzz after he seemingly disappeared in the wormhole, based on his mission history and it ended up going rogue.
That would have been a MUCH better reveal in the post credits or something, where we find zerg survived and part of his face is missing revealing the mechanics underneath.
2:12 Never noticed until just now!😊
Thanks for pointing this out!
This really didn't need to be a Buzz Lightyear movie. Just make it about original characters and it would have worked much better honestly.
I wish they went a little more into detail about the drug ship, it kind of makes no sense how buzz decided to go in a random direction and light speed with no destination in mind to all of sudden find an alien ship with no one there. maybe buzz was trying to dissect an alien code that led him there. but that isn't canon, it doesn't make that much sense to run into space like that because there's a super high chance of buzz getting lost in an infinite space.
missed opportunities wasted mystery factors.
You're focus on cinematography, camera placement, etc really helps your channel stand out. Such small details I'd never notice.
na you know what would be cool. after buzz came back from his travel, he would see that his place has fully turned into zergs fortress and zerg could have been the main offiser guy that didnt want to return home. that would be so good
You know, if this movie wasn't a time travel plot, I could see the twist instead being that the Buzz we've been on this journey with was actually a clone and Zurg is the original. The context of things would change completely but it would be an interesting idea all the same.
I mean future Buzz states that he just found the ship and everything in it meaning Zurg is somewhere else so there’s that
I honestly don’t mind the idea of this twist, I just think it needed to be built up better and explained in a way that didn’t create too many plot holes.
As much as I enjoyed the callbacks when you analyze the core story I think maybe it could’ve work better as it’s own thing and not a Toy Story spin-off
At least this movie gives us a taste of what Chris would be like if he were gonna be Ultra Magnus in TF One
I just realized that in toy story, that buzz is based off a start wars parody, so why didnt they make this movie a fun star wars parody
This movie felt like a damn near perfect film. Loved every second. And it makes Zurgs motivations much more tangible terrifying.
They introduced Characters in the team that were so bland and generic. Compared to the ones from Buzz Lightyear of Star Command, the team actually felt more diverse and unique.
Thank God I didn't see this movie. I would have felt ripped off with that twist villain of future Buzz being Zurg. At least Puss In Boots 2 was smart about it and did away with twist villains entirely.
I felt lightyear was underrated, but I also have little nostalgia for toy story. I understand why fans would've been dissatisfied, but I didn't want anymore toy story. I wanted a buzz lightyear of star command reboot, and I think that's pretty much what I got.
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Having zurg as buzz’s future self is just so bad it should been a genuine villain or buzz’s dad
The only genuinely hilarious thing about this film is the fact that it said that people went on several social media sites to complain about the evil gays included in this film, yet they are the least terrible thing about it as a whole
Personally I'm working on the idea that this Zurg isn't Zurg, Zurg is an as-of-yet unseen alien emperor figure that owns that shit and those robots and the mechanized suit and old Buzz is just a squatter. This movie isn't about Zurg, it's about Buzz facing his own inner demons and thus projecting his insecurities/evils onto a facade, ultimately I think the actual Zurg will return in whatever sequel there might be.
Doubly so Zurg will hate Buzz because Buzz knows the giant mecha body is a shell.
“And stopped talking about it”
Yeah I talked about it so little I forgot about it
I wish they would have gone with a more fun space epic adventure like Star Wars with Zurg being the evil emperor super villain who wants to take over the univers. Would have made more sense in my opinion
Zurg should've been the rookie so that way there'd be motivation for Zurg to hate Buzz bc how little Buzz had confidence in the rookie from the beginning of the movie. It would've fit the message of what movie was going for very well when Buzz was forced to trust rookies to portray what happens when you mistreat ppl and have faith in ppl.
I got a lightyear ad during this video, wtf
The thing that did not make sense in this movie is Buzz's motivation because none of the other characters were mad at him for stranding them and are going about their lives in the colony. Which makes the villain motivation not make any sense either.
He blames himself. His persistence on correcting his mistakes and show that he can do it, it’s his obsession with his self guilt that pushes him.
Never has one movie contained so much in it that I REALLY LIKE and REALLY DON'T LIKE.
this twist is so annoying because in order to go back in time via time dilation, you'd had to go at negative speed which, unlike in sm64, is literally *IMPOSSIBLE*
Change isn’t always a good thing
Perfect example about how a time-travel is used wrong... or in a unnecessary way
I haven't watched the movie yet but I'm guessing Zurg attacks the Earth, after he established Base on the earth either 3, or 10 years. He either:
Died
Away from the location of his ship
Backup Ship to the space
Hunting the survivor
i hope pete docter takes back his whole "the audience is stupid" implication, cause come on, you're better than that.
And this is why I've always prefered Andrew Stanton and Peter Sohn over Pete Docter. Not only do I find his films overrated, but I think he is just doing a crappy job of running Pixar
It's like the old saying you either die a hero or you live long enough to see yourself become the villain.