The Emax Babyhawk II HD is in stock today at Emax AliExpress store. It is very similar to the GEPRC Smart35 but has the Nebula Pro camera. Based on Emax reputation for great flying bind n fly, and because the Nebual Pro is such a better camera, I would choose the Babyhawk II HD over the GEPRC if I had the chance. bit.ly/3Bl1ITJ
@@rotorgeeks2727 Welp, I placed an order when it was still listed as having the Nebula Pro and the unit just shipped today so I guess we'll see what happens.
I remember a year ago when Kabob came out and said he was primarily flying 3 inch quads because they were the best all-around for freestyle at parks and stuff. Glad to see we're furthering refining it. Next year we're going to be saying 3.762 inches is optimal.
The Babyhawk II is easily my favorite drone right now. SO dang nimble and has enough power to satisfy me while flying around my backyard. I've been getting great shots on the Insta360 Go2 strapped to it as well.
Love my Babyhawk too and get Amazing flight times just cruising with stock props...But do You know of any More aggressive props that would make it a bit more punchy ?
@@dallasb7117 For now the only alternative prop i know is gemfan 3520, but that's even lower pitch. I guess you could use lighter battery. I like 650mah, almost same 4.5min flight time as 850, but faster acceleration.
@@vapgames Thanks...I am getting 9 even 10 minute flight times cruising using Tattoo 4s 850 packs Seriously Long flights.. but I want it to fly more like my Kopis mini 3" HD that is so much quicker on punches.
I finally got a chance to fly my smart 35 today! It was a blast! Feels very light weight and super peppy. I almost wrecked it a few times because it’s also very responsive compared to a heavy 5 inch. Looks like this is going to be the future of the hobby, so may as well get used to it regardless.
I don't understand the hype about that frame.... It looks terrible and the way the arms are it makes it all the more likely to get caught in trees and whatnot. I'm not convinced
Me too. A complete part list with tune to match will probably make my buy. Haven't decided to invest in dji or byteshark so if it supports both that would be awesome.
4" is quite easy to get under 250g imo... I run the BQE Pickpocket frame, xnova 1804 3100kv, 4024 props, ghf405 pro aio 25A, Nano400 VTX with EMAX Nano antenna, ELRS EP1, Toothless 2 Nano. The quad weighs 122g without the battery, and with a 650mah 4s pack it weighs 202g, giving ample room for a naked GoPro under 250g. This setup flies for a good 6-7 minutes, even with aggressive flying, on that small of a battery, and the battery voltage barely sags at all. Overall it behaves really nicely.
I flew this thing a lot over the last month. In my review I even show a calendar view of how often actually ;) took it with me on vacation and it's been so much fun to fly it anywhere without any concerns. Yes, now that I'm back and I tried the smo 4K on it, I wished my vacation video was highdef and not just dvr, but at least I've swapped the cam to normal DJI and applied a superview effect in premiere.
True all in one ESC/FCs scare me. I burned an ESC on my 5" by trying to fly with a broken prop and didn't realize what had happened, as I had crashed in someone's yard. The prospect of such an innocent mistake turning my entire electronics core into a paperweight is scary. Heck, I'm feeling like a stick in the mud when I comment that I'm not sure I like the move to 4-in-1 ESCs on "all" miniquads for the same reason. Toast one, replace all four. I idly wonder if putting 3.5" triblades on the iFlight Chimera 4 3800kv version (extremely similar ESC/motor setup) would be an option to improve its freestyle performance further during sessions, and then put the 4" bi-blades back on when you want to do some LR, since changing props is fairly quick and easy. Yeah, putting 3.5s on a frame meant for 4s won't quite be as optimized as a true 3.5" frame like the Smart35, and the Chimera has a TON of extra junk in the trunk (GPS, etc), but the Chimera already is a compromise, trying to be "not the best at anything but good at many things".
From all of us viewers/supporters, thank you again Josh! And for YOU viewers, if you order from GEPRC with a FrSky R-XSR receiver, most likely you will have to update the firmware on it before you can bind.
I've been enjoying flying the Happy Model Crux 3.5", same class. Very agile! Got the ELRS and Caddx VTX, probably overkill rangewise. Would love to see a JB review of it!
Hi Josh As you know I love Micros. I have 18 different sizes and shapes of quads. There are 3-5in and 2- 4in and 1-DJI Mini and the rest are 3in. Now I have 3in in 3s up to 6s. But my best and lightweight is my 4in 6s SKYHOPPER, it came in at 182gm with 6s 450ma lipo. And YES it's FUN !!! But it is very easy to break. The arms are thin and I'm running a 16X16 flight stack. But it just seems to work. I just would not be able to do what I could do with that frame and electronics. Thanks again for the video and information.
I dunnooo, I had a Flywoo Explorer LR4 and with tri blade props, the arm braces on and a 720mAh LiHV battery that thing can definitely do freestyle. It hasn't the large environment authority of my Apex on 6s by any means BUT it can take a surprising beating with those arm braces on! Very versatile and a great option if you don't know what style you're interested in yet imho
True! And an original design. This GepRC is a total knock off! It even comes with the Emax 3.5" props developed for the Babyhawk 2 HD they are ripping off! 🤬🖕
I think that they must have much similar performances. I saw Nurk's review of the Emax Babyhawk 2 and it seemed like a very good quad. He only said that due to the lower weight, it wasn't able to throw and maintain inertia as a 5" on some manuveurs.
This GepRC is a knock off of the Babyhawk 2 HD! It even comes with Emax's 3. 5" props! Bastards! I wouldn't buy this knock off if you gave me the money!... Oh, plus, it comes with that crap Nebula Nano camera with shit image quality! You've got to be craZy to buy this or any other quad that comes with that camera! 😩
The Babyhawk II HD has a Nebula Pro so it doesn't compromise on the image quality. Mine has a similar issue with propwash and I haven't been able to tune it out yet. However it is a very quiet build - I'm running Chris Rosser's filter settings for a clean build and have the D gain up to 55 with very cool running motors. The delta frame design is great for minimizing resonance.
Babyhawk II HD has Nebula Pro sure now find me one in stock. If you can, it's worth the price for the Nebula alone. But I suspect you can't find them in stock b/c Nebula has been completely dry for over a month.
@@JoshuaBardwell € 208,42 31%OFF | Emax Official Babyhawk II HD 3.5" Micro DJI FPV Racing Drone 155mm Caddx VISTA Nebular Pro RC Airplane Quadcopter a.aliexpress.com/_msXS36L You are welcome. Official emax store
I am kind of disapointed for you to reach Smart 35 so late. Babyhawk 2 HD may be? (review that one as well please - these are copetitors) I drew the line Smart 35 is cool and all, but Nano camera was the only reason I went with Babyhawk 2 HD, which has Pro. I was lucky to order one a week ago with TBS. Hope to get other stuff to complete the next step in my FPV evolution. 850 4S is kind of hard to find... Now starting to watch. Hope to win your raffle for that TBS 😊
Joshua, if you think that this quad is good then I think you should try a Pach Ray. With the recommended build specs and the default Emuflight preset tune by Pierre Meunier. You can use the exact same 850mah 4S lipos and those exact same 3.5 inch Scimitar props on it. The difference would be like flying Steele's Apex after flying an average BG 5 inch quad. Except that the Pach Ray can carry a Naked GoPro 8 while still coming in under 250g. I've been a 3.5inch convert for some time now but it would be interested to see you try a more finely tuned & designed example for yourself. :)
I just got this quad. I've flown micros in the house. Pretty good at it.. tried to fly l.o.s. glad I did cause it's way harder than expected. Flew it into a fence at like 30mph..took it like a champ! I've crashed it every time I fly it...bent a prop, that's it. Things definitely a beating....in conclusion I'm going to practice on velocidrone a little bit before I fly again. It's definitely a ripper. It is very responsive and zippy. I don't know why it's so hard for me to fly. Horizon mode is hard. When I turn I have to adjust throttle or it looses alt..thought Horizon mode would help a little more...super cool hobby with a steep learning curve. My wife is going to be pissed on the $ I spend on "toys" lol
Good news, The GEPRC SMART 35 HD Polar version was released, Here is purchase link below: geprc.com/product/geprc-smart-35-hd-3-5inch-micro-freestyle-drone/
This drone is awesome - incredibly stable for such a light weight! I used 450mAh batteries and it shot around like a robotic bee! However, I discovered that the bottom-plate is INCREDIBLY fragile - especially where the motors attach!!! Due to how fragile it is, I can't recommend buying it
Release is planned for the 20th by the way ;-) 3.5" is a really promising size since the disc load is close to a regular 4". But then the prop choice is just really really limited and the 4" Freestyle setup really has an impressive performance and better flight times.
Bought the Emaxx Babyhawk HD. Turns out the motor mount screws were too long and there was continuity to the FC and the entire frame. I found this out after my frame was ruined. Emaxx is doing a full warranty as the rate of the death roll was so fast it cracked the frame on impact. Buddys has short screws and flies awesome.
I think that the switch from 120 fps with low latency to 60 fpv with high quality makes a big difference. Especialy when you do a roll, you're not gonna have that smooth video as you would have with 120 fps so you're automatically "terrified" of freestyle.
My Shcoker 4" is 249g with BH 2004 motors, Caddx Nebula Pro Vista and 650mah 4S HV TBS battery. 3-4 minutes of freestyle. I'm sure a couple minutes longer for cruising, which I don't do. Go analog for even more flight time.
A GNB 4S 650mAh HV battery is much lighter than an 850mAh battery, and will easily let you mount a naked GoPro 6 on this quad. My 3" cinematic filming quad comes in at 160g before battery and GoPro and sub 250g with both fitted. I'm running 1404 motors, 3800kv. Flight time 5-6 mins using that battery. This could work with a naked GoPro under 250g
I still think Tommie did an excellent job with the 2Fiddy, I have the 6s and 4s version and I don't see myself going back to normal 780g 5 inch anymore. Super performance, tuned well and have loads more cofidence since AUW is so low. Granted this is 3.5inch I think some people would still prefer the 2Fiddy or Toothfairy idk.
I've built an analogue babyhawk 2 with brotherhobby 1504.5 motors and hq 3.5x2x3 props. Finally flown and tuned the quad today as sun's out in uk. Definitely agree this size is for that moment when u just wanna rip. I've got the foxeer trex so could use dvr but gona grab an insta360 and mount for the HD moments. And only 20g so could work for analogue
We really do lose a LOT when we lose the 600+ gram weight, but IF we have to stay below 250 grams, the next big thing in FPV will be a very good 4k camera, the size of the FPV camera with GoPro level stabilization and ND filters.
Yeah, that F411 is going to have a hard time doing RPM filtering with softserial enabled. If the cpu lags too the much the gyro notch filters will be ineffective. Obviously it flew OK though, does it ship with bidirectional dshot?
Selecting prop size by AUW makes a lot of sense and if your AUW needs to be 250g the 3.5" class looks awesome. Personally, I prefer using an air unit to have at least 1080p footage and there is no 250g air unit setup I would be happy with so I go with boring 4" and 5".
Why is sub 250 such a big deal? Is there seriously law enforcement running around with scales weighing people's model aircraft? Sir come over here and let me weigh your RC aircraft or you're under arrest what a joke! Excellent video as always JB, thanks for all the hard work you put into the community, I would never have got flying if it wasn't for you.
Nice but no Nebula Pro (4:3) and underpowered 1404 - definitely no for me. It is similar as one I build but mine runs sub250g, MOD-L beefy frame, AIO 25A (can upgrade w more amp), 4S 650 (850’s possible if go with naked vista), nebula pro, XNOVA 1804, and 4 inches props but there’s not many t-mount 4 inch props to choose atm :(
Just got my Toothfairy 2 3" and 5" kits. Also waiting on the AOS 3.5... all my previous sub 250 4" turn out to be 300-330... agree the Nebula makes no sense. rather have analog. Hope the Polar I just ordered doesn't have same latency issues. I like night flying so.. taking a risk. still want a 2004 so I can turn any pitch 1404 seems weak to me, but I seem to over motor. but overall the 250g 3.5" Vista cruiser makes total sense. not sure if this is a homerun though. Nebula Pro + or High end Analog... more motor. how much is this? I mean... Ok... you get what you pay for.
not sure the soft mounted Vista is a good idea or bad... seems like momentums might work against it... as opposed to using it structurally for strength. those cases are pretty tough.
@@davidfpv8299 i have not comparison but i would say frame construction is of babyhawk is stiffer and better plus it has a nebula pro which is way better than the micro. only bad .. babyhawk is sold old everywhere and probably discontinued.
Idk four inch was always to floaty for me so I switched to three inch and find that way better then any other size so I’m excited to get one and see how this holds up
Great video, as alway. You should review the Emax Babyhawk 2 HD (3.5 Prop size). Its sub 250 gram with a 850 mah lipo, has a ton of power, is super quiet and comes with a vista pro camera. I love it !
I am of the opinion that the more weight you have in the stack (suspended by gummies) the less vibration the stack will experience because something with more weight has more inertia and it takes more energy to get it moving back and forth. At the very least, I feel like it will dampen the higher frequency vibrations.
JB you really really need to give Tommy’s 2fiddy a chance man. I know you are worried, durability durability durability….. I promise just try it. It flies amazing and it has taken crashes you wouldn’t believe only props broke
How about the Happymodel Crux35? Have you got the chance to fly and compare it to the geprc smart35? I’m looking to buy it and would really love to experience a close to flying a 5 inch quad experience without breaching the 250g limit. Is there such a thing actually?
i just like busting out the 3" when my normal flying spots are crowded and i feel like i can be more stealthy/ less scary to people, or since i run xfire/dji on my 3" ill test how my range on video and rx is with my cheaper 3" instead of sending my 5" out there.
Well you get so many of the best drones on the market, and I really really would like to get into this hobby it's so awesome but really expensive at the same time I know it's probably a waste of your time but I'm going to ask anyway if you ever get to many drones and like to give one or two away or for that matter anything like it PV gargles transmitters or whatever just let me know cuz I definitely be willing to pay the shipping for one and this would be something that would help me and my son Bond a lot thank you very much Bill
I wish it had the nebula pro instead, I built a quad with the nebula nano and it flies great but the latency will make it feel like a boat out of nowhere
Hey, any recommendations on a Motor upgrade for this drone? Just looking for a more power but concerned about popping the ESC. Any advice would be greatly appreciated
in your flying i see the same result´s hat i have with my Babyhawk2 3.5" the quad is too light for many manouvers. your flying with this thing is now where near your normal flight performance
Total rebuild every time you break an arm.. These will be good for people who are nervous about transitioning to 5 inchers. Watch out for the wet grass with that AIO lol
The tinygo 4K kit control runs futaba protocol, which I believe is not available in the Smart35. If you chose the analog version of the Smart the goggles will work though.
You don't balance these props. They are decently balanced from the factory and we destroy them so quickly in crashes that any work spent balancing would be wasted.
With the amount of complaining about the quality of Nebula Nano and given the scarcity of Nebula Pros, I'm surprised no one has done a comprehensive video about hacking the Nebula Nano to improve its iq....
@@brodyport6395 JB said several times, including this video, that ppl had replaced the lens (which on the Nano is said to be plastic) with a proper - glass one and that - reportedly - improved the image quality (the haze was gone I think?)
Nice quad as usual from geprc, but the price is creeping up on these and I don't feel its worth the retail price. Knock off 75+ and they'll sell many many more
I have I Diatone gtr-349 HD. How much different are the flight characteristics with this?? Is it worth buying if I already have a fast powerful 3 inch that i think flies amazing..?
Some years ago, 1407 or 1507 was advised for 3". And now 1404 seems to be just enough for 3.5" Oo. In order to build a 3" freestyle, 1404 is enough? (My micro apex 3" with 1407 weight 200gr without battery :'( )
@@JoshuaBardwell thanks for your answer. As I said, micro apex is a little tank... 200gr with vista. And 300gr with 4s 850mah. Is it heavy? I hope same trust/weight ratio than my 5" but it seems to be impossible.
The Emax Babyhawk II HD is in stock today at Emax AliExpress store. It is very similar to the GEPRC Smart35 but has the Nebula Pro camera. Based on Emax reputation for great flying bind n fly, and because the Nebual Pro is such a better camera, I would choose the Babyhawk II HD over the GEPRC if I had the chance. bit.ly/3Bl1ITJ
I have the Babyhawk II HD and can’t complain. Such a fun thing quad to fly and up to 10 minutes crushing with 850mah lipo
Unfortunately there aren't any Babyhawk II HD with Nebula Pro anymore. That listing hasn't been updated. Emax said it will be the Polar camera.
@@rotorgeeks2727 hmm a night time quad
@@rotorgeeks2727 Welp, I placed an order when it was still listed as having the Nebula Pro and the unit just shipped today so I guess we'll see what happens.
You should do a review of the Baby Hawk 2 compare to others in the same class..
Finally a video to convince my wife that 3.5" is perfect.
@halibutification and I don’t have wife because I have 2,5”
At least she's not going multicockter
This comment is underrated
The only thing the bigger quads got is a little more thrust out of the corners, its all about the pilot at that point.
Sussy baka
I remember a year ago when Kabob came out and said he was primarily flying 3 inch quads because they were the best all-around for freestyle at parks and stuff. Glad to see we're furthering refining it. Next year we're going to be saying 3.762 inches is optimal.
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The Babyhawk II is easily my favorite drone right now. SO dang nimble and has enough power to satisfy me while flying around my backyard. I've been getting great shots on the Insta360 Go2 strapped to it as well.
Oh hey Wren! 👋
I still need that quad for sure....
Emax babyhawk 3.5 is my favorite quad right now. So precise and efficient.
Love my Babyhawk too and get Amazing flight times just cruising with stock props...But do You know of any More aggressive props that would make it a bit more punchy ?
@@dallasb7117 For now the only alternative prop i know is gemfan 3520, but that's even lower pitch.
I guess you could use lighter battery. I like 650mah, almost same 4.5min flight time as 850, but faster acceleration.
@@vapgames Thanks...I am getting 9 even 10 minute flight times cruising using Tattoo 4s 850 packs Seriously Long flights.. but I want it to fly more like my Kopis mini 3" HD that is so much quicker on punches.
I finally got a chance to fly my smart 35 today! It was a blast! Feels very light weight and super peppy. I almost wrecked it a few times because it’s also very responsive compared to a heavy 5 inch. Looks like this is going to be the future of the hobby, so may as well get used to it regardless.
Love the straitforward tutorial. No time wasted. Thanks
Today I learned I need more quads..
Lol
Patiently waiting for Chris Rosser to drop his 3.5" frame lol...
Oh it's coming don't worry, I'm working hard on it.
@@ChrisRosser if you want help testing a micro version I’ll be here all week… just sayin’.
Simple, add spars😆😬
I don't understand the hype about that frame.... It looks terrible and the way the arms are it makes it all the more likely to get caught in trees and whatnot. I'm not convinced
Me too. A complete part list with tune to match will probably make my buy. Haven't decided to invest in dji or byteshark so if it supports both that would be awesome.
4" is quite easy to get under 250g imo... I run the BQE Pickpocket frame, xnova 1804 3100kv, 4024 props, ghf405 pro aio 25A, Nano400 VTX with EMAX Nano antenna, ELRS EP1, Toothless 2 Nano. The quad weighs 122g without the battery, and with a 650mah 4s pack it weighs 202g, giving ample room for a naked GoPro under 250g. This setup flies for a good 6-7 minutes, even with aggressive flying, on that small of a battery, and the battery voltage barely sags at all. Overall it behaves really nicely.
My Roma F4 build uses 1407s and Gemfan 4023s. Great little flyer too.
I flew this thing a lot over the last month. In my review I even show a calendar view of how often actually ;) took it with me on vacation and it's been so much fun to fly it anywhere without any concerns. Yes, now that I'm back and I tried the smo 4K on it, I wished my vacation video was highdef and not just dvr, but at least I've swapped the cam to normal DJI and applied a superview effect in premiere.
True all in one ESC/FCs scare me.
I burned an ESC on my 5" by trying to fly with a broken prop and didn't realize what had happened, as I had crashed in someone's yard.
The prospect of such an innocent mistake turning my entire electronics core into a paperweight is scary.
Heck, I'm feeling like a stick in the mud when I comment that I'm not sure I like the move to 4-in-1 ESCs on "all" miniquads for the same reason. Toast one, replace all four.
I idly wonder if putting 3.5" triblades on the iFlight Chimera 4 3800kv version (extremely similar ESC/motor setup) would be an option to improve its freestyle performance further during sessions, and then put the 4" bi-blades back on when you want to do some LR, since changing props is fairly quick and easy.
Yeah, putting 3.5s on a frame meant for 4s won't quite be as optimized as a true 3.5" frame like the Smart35, and the Chimera has a TON of extra junk in the trunk (GPS, etc), but the Chimera already is a compromise, trying to be "not the best at anything but good at many things".
From all of us viewers/supporters, thank you again Josh! And for YOU viewers, if you order from GEPRC with a FrSky R-XSR receiver, most likely you will have to update the firmware on it before you can bind.
I've been enjoying flying the Happy Model Crux 3.5", same class. Very agile! Got the ELRS and Caddx VTX, probably overkill rangewise. Would love to see a JB review of it!
now review the Babyhawk 2 HD and compare :-)
Hi Josh As you know I love Micros. I have 18 different sizes and shapes of quads. There are 3-5in and 2- 4in and 1-DJI Mini and the rest are 3in. Now I have 3in in 3s up to 6s. But my best and lightweight is my 4in 6s SKYHOPPER, it came in at 182gm with 6s 450ma lipo. And YES it's FUN !!! But it is very easy to break. The arms are thin and I'm running a 16X16 flight stack. But it just seems to work. I just would not be able to do what I could do with that frame and electronics. Thanks again for the video and information.
I dunnooo, I had a Flywoo Explorer LR4 and with tri blade props, the arm braces on and a 720mAh LiHV battery that thing can definitely do freestyle. It hasn't the large environment authority of my Apex on 6s by any means BUT it can take a surprising beating with those arm braces on! Very versatile and a great option if you don't know what style you're interested in yet imho
Get the babyhawk 2 hd. It's a proper little ripper.
True! And an original design. This GepRC is a total knock off! It even comes with the Emax 3.5" props developed for the Babyhawk 2 HD they are ripping off! 🤬🖕
Agree, the frame design is also better on the Babyhawk 2 HD.
Yeah but its $50 for just the bottom plate tho... 😬 kinda pricy for what it is.
@@JP-qq2kn Really? I did not know that. Saying that though I've crashed mine quite a few times and all I've done is bent props.
@@Mr.Freestyle. yeah I wanted to build an analog version, but $50 CAD was just too much for a bottom plate.
I would love too see you test Emax babyhawk 2 HD
I think that they must have much similar performances.
I saw Nurk's review of the Emax Babyhawk 2 and it seemed like a very good quad.
He only said that due to the lower weight, it wasn't able to throw and maintain inertia as a 5" on some manuveurs.
It's good, just get it. They're super fun and pretty durable. It will get you confident enough to fly a 5"
I love my babyhawk 2 hd. It's lighter that this too.
This GepRC is a knock off of the Babyhawk 2 HD! It even comes with Emax's 3. 5" props! Bastards! I wouldn't buy this knock off if you gave me the money!...
Oh, plus, it comes with that crap Nebula Nano camera with shit image quality! You've got to be craZy to buy this or any other quad that comes with that camera! 😩
+10 love my babyhawk 2 hd, th babyhawk has the nebula pro on it 👏👏👏
The Babyhawk II HD has a Nebula Pro so it doesn't compromise on the image quality. Mine has a similar issue with propwash and I haven't been able to tune it out yet. However it is a very quiet build - I'm running Chris Rosser's filter settings for a clean build and have the D gain up to 55 with very cool running motors. The delta frame design is great for minimizing resonance.
Babyhawk II HD has Nebula Pro sure now find me one in stock. If you can, it's worth the price for the Nebula alone. But I suspect you can't find them in stock b/c Nebula has been completely dry for over a month.
@@JoshuaBardwell € 208,42 31%OFF | Emax Official Babyhawk II HD 3.5" Micro DJI FPV Racing Drone 155mm Caddx VISTA Nebular Pro RC Airplane Quadcopter
a.aliexpress.com/_msXS36L
You are welcome. Official emax store
Hmm. I was checking EmaxUSA.com. Good find.
I am kind of disapointed for you to reach Smart 35 so late. Babyhawk 2 HD may be? (review that one as well please - these are copetitors)
I drew the line Smart 35 is cool and all, but Nano camera was the only reason I went with Babyhawk 2 HD, which has Pro.
I was lucky to order one a week ago with TBS. Hope to get other stuff to complete the next step in my FPV evolution. 850 4S is kind of hard to find...
Now starting to watch.
Hope to win your raffle for that TBS 😊
Joshua, if you think that this quad is good then I think you should try a Pach Ray. With the recommended build specs and the default Emuflight preset tune by Pierre Meunier. You can use the exact same 850mah 4S lipos and those exact same 3.5 inch Scimitar props on it. The difference would be like flying Steele's Apex after flying an average BG 5 inch quad. Except that the Pach Ray can carry a Naked GoPro 8 while still coming in under 250g. I've been a 3.5inch convert for some time now but it would be interested to see you try a more finely tuned & designed example for yourself. :)
I just got this quad. I've flown micros in the house. Pretty good at it.. tried to fly l.o.s. glad I did cause it's way harder than expected. Flew it into a fence at like 30mph..took it like a champ! I've crashed it every time I fly it...bent a prop, that's it. Things definitely a beating....in conclusion I'm going to practice on velocidrone a little bit before I fly again. It's definitely a ripper. It is very responsive and zippy. I don't know why it's so hard for me to fly. Horizon mode is hard. When I turn I have to adjust throttle or it looses alt..thought Horizon mode would help a little more...super cool hobby with a steep learning curve. My wife is going to be pissed on the $ I spend on "toys" lol
Good news, The GEPRC SMART 35 HD Polar version was released, Here is purchase link below: geprc.com/product/geprc-smart-35-hd-3-5inch-micro-freestyle-drone/
This drone is awesome - incredibly stable for such a light weight! I used 450mAh batteries and it shot around like a robotic bee!
However, I discovered that the bottom-plate is INCREDIBLY fragile - especially where the motors attach!!! Due to how fragile it is, I can't recommend buying it
What the battery is? Tattu? I have no idea. It looks good too.👏
Dave_C is working on a pretty nice looking 4" with 1804 motors and (at least the analog version) 4s 850mah batteries. Looks really promising to me!!
Release is planned for the 20th by the way ;-) 3.5" is a really promising size since the disc load is close to a regular 4". But then the prop choice is just really really limited and the 4" Freestyle setup really has an impressive performance and better flight times.
An yes it's sub 250g :-) The analogue version can even be built sub 250 including a naked GoPro
RekonFPV Rekon 4 on banggood is cheaper than this 3.5". Regarding the performance, it is not easy to choose the better one.
Bought the Emaxx Babyhawk HD. Turns out the motor mount screws were too long and there was continuity to the FC and the entire frame. I found this out after my frame was ruined. Emaxx is doing a full warranty as the rate of the death roll was so fast it cracked the frame on impact. Buddys has short screws and flies awesome.
I think that the switch from 120 fps with low latency to 60 fpv with high quality makes a big difference. Especialy when you do a roll, you're not gonna have that smooth video as you would have with 120 fps so you're automatically "terrified" of freestyle.
My Shcoker 4" is 249g with BH 2004 motors, Caddx Nebula Pro Vista and 650mah 4S HV TBS battery. 3-4 minutes of freestyle. I'm sure a couple minutes longer for cruising, which I don't do. Go analog for even more flight time.
A GNB 4S 650mAh HV battery is much lighter than an 850mAh battery, and will easily let you mount a naked GoPro 6 on this quad. My 3" cinematic filming quad comes in at 160g before battery and GoPro and sub 250g with both fitted. I'm running 1404 motors, 3800kv. Flight time 5-6 mins using that battery. This could work with a naked GoPro under 250g
I still think Tommie did an excellent job with the 2Fiddy, I have the 6s and 4s version and I don't see myself going back to normal 780g 5 inch anymore. Super performance, tuned well and have loads more cofidence since AUW is so low. Granted this is 3.5inch I think some people would still prefer the 2Fiddy or Toothfairy idk.
Tommy should take 10 minutes and design a 3.5" baseplate for the Acrobat Duo. I bet he'd sell a few.
I've built an analogue babyhawk 2 with brotherhobby 1504.5 motors and hq 3.5x2x3 props. Finally flown and tuned the quad today as sun's out in uk. Definitely agree this size is for that moment when u just wanna rip. I've got the foxeer trex so could use dvr but gona grab an insta360 and mount for the HD moments. And only 20g so could work for analogue
We really do lose a LOT when we lose the 600+ gram weight, but IF we have to stay below 250 grams, the next big thing in FPV will be a very good 4k camera, the size of the FPV camera with GoPro level stabilization and ND filters.
Yeah, that F411 is going to have a hard time doing RPM filtering with softserial enabled. If the cpu lags too the much the gyro notch filters will be ineffective. Obviously it flew OK though, does it ship with bidirectional dshot?
Selecting prop size by AUW makes a lot of sense and if your AUW needs to be 250g the 3.5" class looks awesome. Personally, I prefer using an air unit to have at least 1080p footage and there is no 250g air unit setup I would be happy with so I go with boring 4" and 5".
Have you looked at the Transtec Beetle HD ?
Why is sub 250 such a big deal? Is there seriously law enforcement running around with scales weighing people's model aircraft? Sir come over here and let me weigh your RC aircraft or you're under arrest what a joke! Excellent video as always JB, thanks for all the hard work you put into the community, I would never have got flying if it wasn't for you.
Exactly! lol 250g is only a big deal Because we're making it one! lol
Ask people in Canada about that. USA is not the only country in the world.
@@noforyoutubepremium3108 couldn't agree more!
@@JoshuaBardwell so do cops in Canada literally weigh people drones?
my drone run's 2004 t-motor's with 5" props weight's in at 125 grams. with 1000mah 4s total 246 grams! all parts costume build. Strong to!
I put these 3,5inch props on my geprc baby crocodile 4inch hd with 650mah, it is also top.
Nice but no Nebula Pro (4:3) and underpowered 1404 - definitely no for me. It is similar as one I build but mine runs sub250g, MOD-L beefy frame, AIO 25A (can upgrade w more amp), 4S 650 (850’s possible if go with naked vista), nebula pro, XNOVA 1804, and 4 inches props but there’s not many t-mount 4 inch props to choose atm :(
Just got my Toothfairy 2 3" and 5" kits. Also waiting on the AOS 3.5...
all my previous sub 250 4" turn out to be 300-330...
agree the Nebula makes no sense. rather have analog.
Hope the Polar I just ordered doesn't have same latency issues. I like night flying so.. taking a risk.
still want a 2004 so I can turn any pitch 1404 seems weak to me, but I seem to over motor.
but overall the 250g 3.5" Vista cruiser makes total sense.
not sure if this is a homerun though.
Nebula Pro + or High end Analog... more motor.
how much is this?
I mean... Ok... you get what you pay for.
not sure the soft mounted Vista is a good idea or bad...
seems like momentums might work against it...
as opposed to using it structurally for strength.
those cases are pretty tough.
If you follow sub250g FPV, he’s on the ball with this build spec !
Had it and BabyHawk 2 HD is the best by far!
Agree … babyhawk hd 2 is awesome 👏🏻
Is the babyhawk 2 hd better?
@@davidfpv8299 i have not comparison but i would say frame construction is of babyhawk is stiffer and better plus it has a nebula pro which is way better than the micro. only bad .. babyhawk is sold old everywhere and probably discontinued.
@@mcflyfpv In germany we can buy the caddx polar vista for the babyhawk. But i think the nebula pro is better or?
@@davidfpv8299 yes HD is better. but with polar also good option. caddx probably releasing another HD version in future
Idk four inch was always to floaty for me so I switched to three inch and find that way better then any other size so I’m excited to get one and see how this holds up
Great Chanel Joshua 😉
Can i fly with 6S or is that to much for the esc ?
This quad is designed for 4s. I wouldn't expect good things if you tried 6s.
Great video, as alway.
You should review the Emax Babyhawk 2 HD (3.5 Prop size). Its sub 250 gram with a 850 mah lipo, has a ton of power, is super quiet and comes with a vista pro camera. I love it !
new category? i was flying a 3.5in Wasp for over a year now... perfect rig and AUW was 170g
I am of the opinion that the more weight you have in the stack (suspended by gummies) the less vibration the stack will experience because something with more weight has more inertia and it takes more energy to get it moving back and forth. At the very least, I feel like it will dampen the higher frequency vibrations.
Which 3.5" frame are you most interested in today?
Baby hawk 2 hd... So much so I own it haha
JB you really really need to give Tommy’s 2fiddy a chance man. I know you are worried, durability durability durability….. I promise just try it. It flies amazing and it has taken crashes you wouldn’t believe only props broke
Waiting for Chris Rosser's 3.5 inch AOS
Babyhawk 2 hd ftw, nebula pro on it rocks
Yeah, try the babyhawk II HD... nebula pro, rigid frame... and that battery life is insane...
How about the Happymodel Crux35? Have you got the chance to fly and compare it to the geprc smart35? I’m looking to buy it and would really love to experience a close to flying a 5 inch quad experience without breaching the 250g limit. Is there such a thing actually?
3.5" is 100% the best size for sub250g!
It's the perfect balance.
My reptile cloud 149 cinewhoop is a crazy freestyle quad with the ducts removed
I have both a 5” and 4” that are under 250 grams.
And yes the 5” is running a 600mah 6s and shark byte.
i think DJI should add fixed latency mode where you could set it to 40 ms so that u can have a predictable experience
In the v2 goggles use audience mode. That's what fixed latency with no retransmission would look like. It's pretty bad.
i just like busting out the 3" when my normal flying spots are crowded and i feel like i can be more stealthy/ less scary to people, or since i run xfire/dji on my 3" ill test how my range on video and rx is with my cheaper 3" instead of sending my 5" out there.
My my I cant decided but I think this one be my next drone time to get bigger than 2 in
Well you get so many of the best drones on the market, and I really really would like to get into this hobby it's so awesome but really expensive at the same time I know it's probably a waste of your time but I'm going to ask anyway if you ever get to many drones and like to give one or two away or for that matter anything like it PV gargles transmitters or whatever just let me know cuz I definitely be willing to pay the shipping for one and this would be something that would help me and my son Bond a lot thank you very much Bill
Ive put 1404 3000kv toka’s on my Roma l3. I did have to change throttle mid mapping, but other than that, not much.
I know we all keep saying nebula nano. But is there a difference between v1 and v2 in regards to quality and latency?
I wish it had the nebula pro instead, I built a quad with the nebula nano and it flies great but the latency will make it feel like a boat out of nowhere
Fantastic flying and review, Joshua! 😃
GepRC is killing it! Pretty amazing little quad!
Anyway, stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
Hq has some 3.5inch props now too.
Hey, any recommendations on a Motor upgrade for this drone? Just looking for a more power but concerned about popping the ESC. Any advice would be greatly appreciated
in your flying i see the same result´s hat i have with my Babyhawk2 3.5"
the quad is too light for many manouvers. your flying with this thing is now where near your normal flight performance
Can someone please come out with non t style props for 3.5" props please.
This, right here. That's what's holding me back.
3 inch is the new 5 inch! 5 inch is the new 7 inch! When will we start going BIGGER?!
Total rebuild every time you break an arm.. These will be good for people who are nervous about transitioning to 5 inchers. Watch out for the wet grass with that AIO lol
My std original caddx vista has the same "smokey" look on top half of picture.
Does this have the plastic lens and should I change it?
Thanks for this one. By chance, Will the 3.5 be compatible with the tinygo 4k kit?
The tinygo 4K kit control runs futaba protocol, which I believe is not available in the Smart35. If you chose the analog version of the Smart the goggles will work though.
As a heavy can I ask, at what point or size do you actually balance these props? Or do the manufacturers do that? Thanks guys. Love n peas.
Lol.. Newby not heavy! 😄
You don't balance these props. They are decently balanced from the factory and we destroy them so quickly in crashes that any work spent balancing would be wasted.
@@JoshuaBardwell Thank you.
With the amount of complaining about the quality of Nebula Nano and given the scarcity of Nebula Pros, I'm surprised no one has done a comprehensive video about hacking the Nebula Nano to improve its iq....
You think it's possible?
@@brodyport6395 JB said several times, including this video, that ppl had replaced the lens (which on the Nano is said to be plastic) with a proper - glass one and that - reportedly - improved the image quality (the haze was gone I think?)
@@onemanmob6756 Ahh gotcha. Latency is still a kicker tho
HQ also makes a 3.5 but i wouldn't suggest them....... they are not as good as the avan
you mean wouldn't?
@@noforyoutubepremium3108 yes thanks
I'm debating between putting 2004 or 1408 on my 4in apex would love your input on benefits of each
I put dji AirUnit O3 in this drone . What rates do you use ?
Nice quad as usual from geprc, but the price is creeping up on these and I don't feel its worth the retail price. Knock off 75+ and they'll sell many many more
Price of everything is going up due to global shipping disruption and semiconductor shortage.
I have I Diatone gtr-349 HD. How much different are the flight characteristics with this?? Is it worth buying if I already have a fast powerful 3 inch that i think flies amazing..?
If that's how you feel about your 349 then just keep flying it :-)
The AOS 3.5
it looks really cool, its not so much about being under 250g, but yeah 270g would be useful for safety.....
my nano hex is going to take over the world!
QUESTION!!! can this pre soldered cable power the new RunCam THUMB????
The title is what I keep telling my dates. Still trying to get a second one.
Is it possible to use bidirectional dshot on this quad?
I’m looking for that video link you promised me.. the one to your video about resource remapping and the LED pads. The one for “kNoW iT aLlS”. 🙃
This one? th-cam.com/video/gL1DxUFjFq8/w-d-xo.html&ab_channel=JoshuaBardwell
@@JoshuaBardwell Yessir, that’s the one.
Thanks buddy.
Some years ago, 1407 or 1507 was advised for 3". And now 1404 seems to be just enough for 3.5" Oo. In order to build a 3" freestyle, 1404 is enough? (My micro apex 3" with 1407 weight 200gr without battery :'( )
It depends on the weight. 1407 and 1508 are great for heavier like cinewhoop.
@@JoshuaBardwell thanks for your answer. As I said, micro apex is a little tank... 200gr with vista. And 300gr with 4s 850mah. Is it heavy? I hope same trust/weight ratio than my 5" but it seems to be impossible.
Sweet!!
Your flow was a little weird on this one. The best flight I've seen from you was with the shocker. It really sold me the frame to watch that.
very cool video💯🤩
I’m still debating whether I want to dabble into the sub 250 rigs or build a 5/6 inch modern tricopter……
Looks almost exacly like the Emax babyhawk 2
what about the babyhawk 2??
You record sound in DVR videos?? How? :D
What tx and rx is this? This is better range than my 5"
DJI controller and Vista.
i have the hd run 3 and its pretty sweet. fast for me lol.
What camera would you recommend to replace the nebula nano?
I have a review of Polar and Runcam MIPI coming soon.
Awesome bigger brother to the awesome Phantom👍
what controller and goggles would you recommend to use with this quad?
i use 800dm goggles and jumper t-lite and all works good for me
@@PinkeySuavodamn I completely forgot about this, I ended up going with the EV800d and radiomaster pocket
Could you get a 4 inch tri copter under 250
Very cool
Does anybody know when the emax babyhawk II hd will be available again or any other similar 3.5 inch quad?
they just posted that production has started up again
@@Megumins_ass Interested to see this. Last time I spoke with an emax rep about it they say this drone won't come back in stock until 2022...
@@NordFPV check their facebook or instagram. guess things are working out again. they posted about it yesterday I think
@@Megumins_ass nice thanks, wirh an upgraded version or with the same specs?