Technicaly, both Postal 2 and Undertale are kinda similar in story and tone: in both games main characters find themselves in situations that involve others wanting to harm or even kill you. In both games enemies that trying to kill main character are someone who presented as a lomedic parody or a joke. In both you have to deal with these situations by either killing them or finding a solution to get out of said situation without doing any harm (for Dude it's usually hust run away and do things by the law). In both games inhabitants are presented as a comedic characters. Only thing different is that Undertale have a serrious main plot that it take serious while Postal 2 plot is just Dude getting his stuff done. Also, that thumbnail goes hard.
This has nothing to do with the video but the thumbnail just gave me the idea of a sitcom series where Postal Dude and Frisk are living together in some apartment in Paradise and every episode is just a child and a grown man bickering over mundane shit, like where to put the bodies, or if genocide over an entire species can be justified as self-defense.
Dude I’m not gonna lie to you that’s the exact kind of insane and bizarre yet kind of genius thing I’d see as a webcomic or webtoon and get hopelessly hyperfixated on
@@ErrorNamenotfound-mx7bv pretty much they syomblise the player chara is the actual genocide character aka she's really a character but frisk is just the player chara would literally justify genicide by what genuinely makes genicide any different from regular murder
I honestly can’t even blame postal dude for his behavior that much in Postal 2, the town is full of actual maniacs to the point where it’s almost required you behave like a psychopath to survive. Postal Dude is still a horrible dude, but he’s horrible in a way that circles back around to being likable for me
Originally I was gonna end the video with a quote I came up with along the lines of “If I awoke on a staircase and was beckoned to come down, would you blame me for walking straight into Hell?” To really drive this point home but I thought it’d be a fucking event horizon of pretentiousness so I cut it. Tl;dr yeah you hit the nail on the head
This feels like someone combined Chazington and other video essayists and I mean this as a compliment this is a very good video and I haven't even finished watching it,good job Also KHONJIN HOUSE REFERENCE HELL YES
You are genuinely the smartest person I know. You have a very unique way of making your points both in a way that makes me agree with you and makes me laugh.
the sad part of the mad dummy fusing with their body is that they DON'T want to be in there, she'd rather be mad mew mew (in the switch version-- it's also canon) but they have to die as someone they AREN'T
I haven't watched the video, but another weird connection between the postal series and Undertale is how there is a presence that is (potentially) affecting or controlling the player with whatever the "demon" is in postal 1 and chara in undertale both being entities that control the player (with chara only doing that after the genocide ending which is quite the coincidence)
I'm sorry. Did I just watch an incredibly well made, polished to the bone video, with good humor and very clean editing, from a youtuber who only has 2k subscribers? I don't normally like the algorithm, but this video was a huge exception.
"Hello Postal Dude from Postal 2!" "Hello Chara from Undertale!" *They're both potrayed by the fandom as derranged psychopaths that just wanna kill everybody but their actions are straightly attached to the player's desicions*
Im glad im not the only one to notice how weird it is of toriel to suggest killing 6 people is peaceful. The only explanation i will accept is that she meant if he actually cared about freeing monsterkind.
First minute in and I got the urge to do something else in the background. That's how you know you've made a good video essay. However, I couldn't because I didn't want to miss any funny cat images on screen. That's how you know you've made a great one.
As a die hard Undertale fan and Postal 2 enjoyer - man... you say things that need to be heard. Besides the good analysis of the games, I never even thought of comparing the two, but you make them seem very similar and very different. Also this video forced me to play At least there is Čeda Čedović.
14:42 its like the movie Hoodwinked where the animators actively learned how to animate as the production went on so it just gradually looks less shitty
the fact that me and a friend were talking about and comparing these two a few days ago makes me think you're an undercover operative currently spying on me
i’m surprised there’s not much views on this yet, this was randomly recommended to me, but it feels like my kinda thing. you got this weird but charming sense of humor that i like yet don’t see very often, so hopefully this gets to more people
i knew worlds like half life weren't real as a kid but when i discovered undertale i was convinced mt ebott was real and i had to go there just incase there's a convenient cave for me to fall down.
oh look!! my two biggest n longest running special interests put together!!! postal(the original one, due to its themes n some of its disturbing content) actually did remind me a lot of undertale(or the other way around, i guess lol) when i originally found out about it, n comparing the two together is SUPER interesting!! awesome video ^^
29:51 You got a point there. I think Torio was thinking that killing only criminals and bad people so no one would really care all that meant especially people/human that received the death penalty.
Your take on Chara is what I've been saying for ages. This further driven home by the fact that BALLGAME says: RED - Try as you might, you will always be yourself", the implication being that Chara is, was, and always will be, themself.
the way I see them is at best the liked the monsters and hated hated humanity and themself and wanted to get violent over it but after a while after there gambit failed they just sorta branched out
i didnt realize how long this video was and i completely forgot about the postal 2 part of the thumbnail. woulda been real fuckin funny if i sat through the entire undertale portion and got jumpscared by postal dude lmao
i have nothing to add besides saying its a great video, so have this lil thing that has been on my mind for a long while: When you said about the song(undyne ost and mettaton power of neo similarity), you reminded me of the fact i always thought that Megalovania wasn't Sans theme, but *our* theme. since the songs play when someone starts a battle, and most of the time, the opponent are the ones doing that to us, unlike in the sans battle, where WE are the ones starting it. We are the megalomaniac, not sans.(Which would be a nice nod to another song related to sans in the game files, "the song that might play when you fight sans", which is a more chill version/elevator version of megalovania, but the key point in here is that the name of the song is saying YOU are the one fighting sans, starting the battle, which pushes he idea that Megalovania is our theme.)
29:30 I think there’s more nuance to this. Another possibility is for Asgore to ask some suicidal humans to give him their souls willingly, or look for 6 humans already in the throes of death, comfort them in their last moments, and take their souls as they die.
There's still loads of evidence for Chara only accepting their role in Genocide due to you doing it in the first place, even disregarding narrachara entirely and just using their end of run dialogue. The following is a direct, continuous quote from everyone's first genocide. “Your power awakened me from death. // My “human soul.” // My “determination.” // They were not mine, but yours. // At first, I was so confused. // Our plan [Asriel] had failed, hadn't it? // Why was I brought back to life? // ... // You. // With your guidance. [sic] // I realised the purpose of my reincarnation. [sic] // Power. // Together, we eradicated the enemy and became strong.” Chara only adopts the “murder everyone” schtick because they believed that the only possible reason for them to have been ressurrected in the first place was to complete your work together. To “eradicate the enemy.” Then, when you repeat genocide, Chara actively looks down on you. You are an existance so alien to them that they need to be in direct ownership of your SOUL to even begin to understand the meaning of your actions. “You and I are not the same, are we? // This SOUL resonates with a strange feeling. // There is a reason you continue to recreate this world. // There is a reason you continue to destroy it. // You. // You are wracked with a perverted sentimentality. // Hmm. // I cannot understand these feelings any more.” My personal interpretation is that they only celebrated the end result of the genocide run because they believed that it had to serve a greater purpose. They are an ordinary human being who was just returned from death in the name of destroying everything that they have ever known and loved, so they can only possibly accept it by believing that it is done in the name of a greater purpose. Some sort of act of God or masterful plot *_must_* underly this to them; it can't be about *_killing,_* it has to be about something gained *_by killing._* HP. AT. DF. GOLD. EXP. LV. They go out of their way to justify your actions because they don't have the emotional and mental faculty necessary to assume that you would do such a horrible thing for absolutely nothing in exchange. Not because they're just a kid, or because they're a good person, but because in the face of that cosmic scale of indifference, no person can reasonably comprehend it. We become their very own exemplar for cosmic horror.
I got an actual loremaster in the comments, that means I finally hit the big time. Yeah, I’m not gonna act like an expert at all, what specifically bugged me was that some people get really uppity about Chara’s association with the genocide route when it’s clear there’s meant to be a parallel, especially since Flowey recognizes you as them once you clear the Ruins. I don’t particularly have much interest in getting deep into the minutiae of this kind of thing, it just specifically bothers me when people use loose pieces of evidence to make a point. It’s supposed to be pretty cut and dry that Chara is taking over during the end of the route (which doesn’t excuse you of your actions, mind you. The player still names Chara, they’re still a part of you.) Tl;dr yeah probably lol
@@Gabri_Lovecraft There are a lot of headcanons floating around about this game simply because it is a very good game that is aware of how it is written for the entire experience and levereges the utmost engagement from it. I always respect an opinion spoken from a mindset that recognises where there is a hole in a plot or a hole in the fulfillment of a theme more than I will one that is sure of being right because the former kind of person will openly explore multiple narrative and thematic interpretations of the same events. The exact example that you used, where Flowey recognises you, is incredibly interesting to read the other way; as if Flowey is making a mistake because he's desperate to find something that makes his life worthwhile. That he is confusing the reality of a murderer with his childhood friend because if he's been made into a “monster,” then why not them? Meanwhile, though, the parallels between Flowey and Frisk become dyed in a new light if you instead replace Frisk's will with Chara and put faith in Flowey's claims because then you have a tale of two siblings growing up and actualising their lives through a deliciously deadly compact, only for one to outgrow the other after a freak accident left their faculty for empathy numb. It's a painful, compelling story that is worth telling in and of itself. Both perspectives aren't simply valid, but can coexist as alternatives to each other. I believe that one of UnderTale's greatest strengths is its use of ambiguity in its writing. You hear “show, don't tell” often in discussions of how to express game mechanic tutorials and narrative elements to your audience, but to instead choose to “don't show, don't tell” can invite all host of mediums for newfound appreciation of your art. *_Theories._* If there were a right way to appreciate that deliberate choice in UnderTale's writing, then I dare say that it would be recognising that ambiguity in its whole like you do. Your argument wasn't worded so elegantly in the video, since it was admittedly a bit of a rant and putting more time into writing that part of the script may not have appealed to you, but I have a sincere respect for people that consume media skeptically and retain a grounded perspective, even while actively trying to learn more.
38:16 The evidence people attribute to alphys being bisexual is 1. according to the mettaton intro quiz, alphys has a crush on asgore, and alphys became the royal scientist to impress asgore. 2. In alphys' true lab entries she mentions that working on mettatons ex form makes her sweaty :^ )
"if chara was influenced by you directly you'd think that the game would show this" actual dialog from the very scene your showing: at first i was so confused our plan had failed hadn't it why was i brought back to life you with your guidance i realized the purpose of my reincarnation power
Asgore could have visited six people at their deathbeds instead of killing six people, or if it has to be killing either asking people if they wanted to be killed by him on their deathbed and asking their families and doctors as well if its ok, or assassinating people if the former isn't an option.
Really good video as always grins , ive yet to play postal 2 but me and undertale go way back, and i find the exploration and the tying of the two games very interesting and fun. the cats are scary though. Do be warned
21:49 Btw, in my previous comment I mentioned that this video convinced me to play Ribbit. Well, since then, I finished Ribbit & (Spoilers for those reading the comments.) +new game plus. (I've yet to play geno though), and I just got to say, *_please_* make the Ribbit video. I can't really find any video essays (the only one I could find lacks any voice-over. Didn't even bother with text to speech so I can't really listen to it while doing other stuff,) and I feel like I need a video to like, help explain/process what I played. (I already got a lot, and the secret files helped explain some things + talking with some folks on ACDs, but I feel this craving for Ribbit analysis that can't really be filled. The Manos: The Hands of Fate fight at least gave me the idea to compare that fight with the photoshop Flowey fight, and the final boss fights of Mother 3 and Omori as some sort of "final boss fights that make you feel things" video or something.)
I have heard someone mention that the theme during the boss fights is yours during genocide route. 0: The genocide route does stuff like the glad dummy to make you feel guilty, to make you stop. Attacking the monsterkid, everything was to make your heart tingle. Though, something that some people never talk about that I've seen is the dialogue that comes when Sans beats you if you surrender. People hype up the meme half of "GET DUNKED ON", but the part the follows afterwards, that single little hope he has. "If you're really my friend, you won't come back." Dang that postal existential crisis that turns you into Flowey 2.0 was too real. But it feels natural I guess; there isn't a point in remaining good.....
A trans woman who plays Postal 2 and Roblox, flirts with women she calls “mom”, and has a thing for getting tied up? Gee, you’re really hitting all the stereotypes here, aren’t you? Reminds me of myself circa 5 minutes ago… Jokes aside, I loved the video! I think your analysis of Undertale is an interesting take that honestly makes quite a lot of sense, especially your view of Sans’ character, and the Postal 2 analysis is wonderful - it really captures the core essence of the game, how it comments on violence in video games without really making much of a direct statement. It turns the tables on you - in a normal FPS, the game forces violence upon you, but here you’re forcing violence upon it. While it does become violent, while it does oppose you at every step, true pacifists would - and, indeed, have - beat the game without killing a single person. It is quite literally as violent as you are, and when it comes to a game like this, all of us eventually turn violent. Regarding the Chuck Heston reference in Postal 2, I’m not a 40-something year old (sad, I know), but I can offer some insight. Mister Heston was the actor who played the main character in the original version of The Planet of the Apes (and a ton of other movies) hence the “you damn dirty apes” portion of the line, but he was also a civil rights and gun control advocate turned Ronald Reagan campaigner who became the literal President of the NRA and was obsessed with gun rights, hence both the whole “tax rebate” part and the fact that it’s said when you kill someone - this is also why the Hestonworld difficulty gives everyone guns. It’s a funny joke if you actually know the context, like most people playing Postal 2 when it released probably would. Another joke in the game is way more relevant to when the game came out - the package exploding is actually a rather hamfisted reference to the 2001 anthrax attacks, in which one of the envelopes had a fake school address for its RSVP, and if you look closely you can see that the Dude’s package has a blatantly fake address obviously made by the terrorists. The contents of the letter inside included “Death to America”, “Death to Israel”, and “Allah is great”, so it definitely makes sense why they’d make the terrorists in-game send it… except, once the investigation into them was finished a few years after Postal 2 came out, it turned out it was probably just some psychotic American scientist who was either incredibly mentally ill or wanted research into an anthrax vaccine to start up again. Anyways, apologies for the infodump and all. I just really like Postal 2.
You beg for emo boy serial killers to DM you and that's fine, but you imply you want to get tied up ONE time... But genuinely, thank you. It means the world that I'm both understandable and also correct. Genuinely, the rush of someone taking the time out of their day to tell you how your art spoke to them never goes away. I genuinely try and read and respond to everyone, even the random kids that friend request me on Discord (Why are they always teenagers where are the twice my age ex-forum bitches in my friend requests) because it means so much to me. I don't care if that's generic TH-camr sentences. I mean it, damn it! Neither of these games I'd consider like, top 10 contenders, but it was nice to air out all my thoughts. Every time a friend mentions Undertale now, I genuinely can just go "i talk about this in my video" and I'm done. I'm free. Now I have to do that for every video game I ever play, and I can sleep easy at night. Also I don't want to actually get tied up. I'm not explaining my taste further. At least treat me to dinner first!
@@Gabri_Lovecraft A response like this means the world to me! I like to give at least some semblance of feedback on works that I enjoy since I know a lot of artists appreciate hearing what others think about their art. I'm really glad to know that you enjoyed seeing my feedback, even if it was brief and not particularly in-depth. I really hope that you can continue making videos like these. It's always nice to get a glimpse of others' perspectives, even on things I'm already more than familiar with.
For a moment I thought it was "Portal 2" instead of Postal 2, it still would fit by analysing GLaDOS and Wheatley. EDIT: And the turrets too since they also have a personality and Caroline.
That style of frisk on the thumbnail reminds me of If Undertale was Realistic. That's my favorite fan version of Frisk. Mid 30s or so, with a drinking problem, and may or may not be a giraffe.
51:11 Ahem PARADISE IN POSTAL 2 IS ALWAYS A HELL HOLE NO MATTER THE PLAYTHROUGH. There is a grave yard that still gets graves buried even on a pacifist playthrough Meaning that this joke could probably still land
Postal 3 tried to emphasize Postal 2's morality schtick. It failed because people played Postal to kill people. Alternatively, it could be because of the tone. Why won't Civvie watch this? It justifies his criticism with P3
I WAS NOT EXPECTING THE KAPUT AND ZÖSKY JUMPSCARE (even though we literally talked about it) I feel so proud to be ur sister rn. Maybe one day I'll finish that video about wtf it is
GIVE ME MONEY
ko-fi.com/gabrilovecraft
i dunno
straight to the point
we broke 😩
37:20 from words of a mann Who did not understand everything. All she wants is a revenge
*no* i poor:(
Technicaly, both Postal 2 and Undertale are kinda similar in story and tone: in both games main characters find themselves in situations that involve others wanting to harm or even kill you. In both games enemies that trying to kill main character are someone who presented as a lomedic parody or a joke. In both you have to deal with these situations by either killing them or finding a solution to get out of said situation without doing any harm (for Dude it's usually hust run away and do things by the law). In both games inhabitants are presented as a comedic characters. Only thing different is that Undertale have a serrious main plot that it take serious while Postal 2 plot is just Dude getting his stuff done. Also, that thumbnail goes hard.
What a fucking combo of games. Like imagine if you could just like… piss on sans
No. Sans tries to dodge and slips in your piss, breaks his skull and dies XD
"now the floweys Will grow"
@@jma0645the six human souls all surround omega flowey and piss on him
"Heya, you dropped something there buddy, You might wanna pull that back up before someone sees that"
This has nothing to do with the video but the thumbnail just gave me the idea of a sitcom series where Postal Dude and Frisk are living together in some apartment in Paradise and every episode is just a child and a grown man bickering over mundane shit, like where to put the bodies, or if genocide over an entire species can be justified as self-defense.
Dude I’m not gonna lie to you that’s the exact kind of insane and bizarre yet kind of genius thing I’d see as a webcomic or webtoon and get hopelessly hyperfixated on
@@Gabri_Lovecraft i see you're apart of the ''we love batshit insane ideas created on a whim and visualized into a funny comic'' gang, nice.
Frisk is the postal dudes kid lol.
@@ErrorNamenotfound-mx7bv pretty much they syomblise the player chara is the actual genocide character aka she's really a character but frisk is just the player chara would literally justify genicide by what genuinely makes genicide any different from regular murder
I love this because I can totally imagine Frisk just showing up in Paradise and following the Dude around for no reason until he just adopts them
If you're going for a pacifist run Piss is actually your best weapon it's a non lethal way to stun enemies and disperse lines.
Jar-based Karate also works well
@@unusualgoofballsniping’s a good job mate
Frisk regrets nothing...
tbh the thumbnail goes hard
Grins
Do you know who drew it?
Frisk looks so silly but also badass in the thumbnail i love it
Kid tryin' to look cool
look like undertale but realistic frisk lmao
@@webbbaker6872 "HAOI!
I AM BRAGGY. BRAGGY THE BRAGGOR!!"
I honestly can’t even blame postal dude for his behavior that much in Postal 2, the town is full of actual maniacs to the point where it’s almost required you behave like a psychopath to survive. Postal Dude is still a horrible dude, but he’s horrible in a way that circles back around to being likable for me
Originally I was gonna end the video with a quote I came up with along the lines of “If I awoke on a staircase and was beckoned to come down, would you blame me for walking straight into Hell?” To really drive this point home but I thought it’d be a fucking event horizon of pretentiousness so I cut it. Tl;dr yeah you hit the nail on the head
He's a Mad man in a mad world, that ends up making him a relatively normal guy
Im pretty he's halusnatung the whole thing like in postal 1
This feels like someone combined Chazington and other video essayists and I mean this as a compliment this is a very good video and I haven't even finished watching it,good job
Also KHONJIN HOUSE REFERENCE HELL YES
You can probably trace most of my energy from Chazington, Nerrel and Running Shine. Those are the people I most want to be.
You are genuinely the smartest person I know. You have a very unique way of making your points both in a way that makes me agree with you and makes me laugh.
the sad part of the mad dummy fusing with their body is that they DON'T want to be in there, she'd rather be mad mew mew (in the switch version-- it's also canon) but they have to die as someone they AREN'T
Erm Yerp this is going under beautiful family guy moments
Theres no such thing as “beautiful” family guy moments.
Erm yerp you're going on the rake list😂
glad to see a fellow family guy beautiful moments connoisseur here
I haven't watched the video, but another weird connection between the postal series and Undertale is how there is a presence that is (potentially) affecting or controlling the player with whatever the "demon" is in postal 1 and chara in undertale both being entities that control the player (with chara only doing that after the genocide ending which is quite the coincidence)
I'm sorry. Did I just watch an incredibly well made, polished to the bone video, with good humor and very clean editing, from a youtuber who only has 2k subscribers?
I don't normally like the algorithm, but this video was a huge exception.
"Hello Postal Dude from Postal 2!"
"Hello Chara from Undertale!"
*They're both potrayed by the fandom as derranged psychopaths that just wanna kill everybody but their actions are straightly attached to the player's desicions*
Chara tries to murder people in her actions prior to the game
Im glad im not the only one to notice how weird it is of toriel to suggest killing 6 people is peaceful. The only explanation i will accept is that she meant if he actually cared about freeing monsterkind.
First minute in and I got the urge to do something else in the background. That's how you know you've made a good video essay.
However, I couldn't because I didn't want to miss any funny cat images on screen. That's how you know you've made a great one.
I stumbled across this video while writing a sociology paper. I don't think there's a more perfect video for this homework
@@gavinpotter9286 Sociology paper? Does this mean smart people finally watch my videos
This video is like 2 completely different videos stuck together by 2 different TH-cam channels
Loved it btw
Someone cool and hot and awesome made this I think
YAYYYYYYY
As a die hard Undertale fan and Postal 2 enjoyer - man... you say things that need to be heard. Besides the good analysis of the games, I never even thought of comparing the two, but you make them seem very similar and very different.
Also this video forced me to play At least there is Čeda Čedović.
14:42 its like the movie Hoodwinked where the animators actively learned how to animate as the production went on so it just gradually looks less shitty
the fact that me and a friend were talking about and comparing these two a few days ago makes me think you're an undercover operative currently spying on me
If it makes you feel any better I’ve been writing this since January, I do also have spy cameras in your house though, what is with that wallpaper?
This is the most Calvin & Hobbes-coded video i’ve ever bore witness to.
Great job, Gabri.
Thank you. I would so desperately like you to extrapolate more on what Calvin & Hobbes-coded means
It is criminal how you don't have more subs. This is top notch stuff
youtube algorithm gave me peak this morning, great video !!
frisk in the thumb look like they are playing with their uncle
14:17
Homestar Runner reference in the year 2024
You have my utmost respect and appreciation for mentioning that floating horror
Listening to the Deltarune Power of Neo Betas, I kept imagining bits of Undying's theme being placed in, and now I know why. Thank you for this.
I'm surprised there hasn't been more videos of people comparing the morality of Postal and Undertale.
i’m surprised there’s not much views on this yet, this was randomly recommended to me, but it feels like my kinda thing. you got this weird but charming sense of humor that i like yet don’t see very often, so hopefully this gets to more people
i knew worlds like half life weren't real as a kid but when i discovered undertale i was convinced mt ebott was real and i had to go there just incase there's a convenient cave for me to fall down.
32:58 I don't know if Andrew Cunningham would be elated or absolutely infuriated after being compared to Flowey
I wish Running with Scissors noticed this video, also. A comment to boost the video to the algorithm
Never thought i would see a undertale and postal 2 in the same video that isnt some "funny moments of X person" but here we are
I think the postal guy and bro strider should date
oh look!! my two biggest n longest running special interests put together!!! postal(the original one, due to its themes n some of its disturbing content) actually did remind me a lot of undertale(or the other way around, i guess lol) when i originally found out about it, n comparing the two together is SUPER interesting!! awesome video ^^
i cant believe someone made a video about my two favorite games this is perfect
i find it funny how the undertale section of this video is a full on analysis of the game, and postal 2 is just a playthrough
I enjoy the comparison of such a vastly divergent pair of games that still, to some degree, allow you to make choices on your own morality. Thank you.
I'd like to see Frisk going postal.
15:48 Earthbound is about growing into puberty.. at least that's how a lot of people look at it
29:51
You got a point there. I think Torio was thinking that killing only criminals and bad people so no one would really care all that meant especially people/human that received the death penalty.
Your take on Chara is what I've been saying for ages.
This further driven home by the fact that BALLGAME says: RED - Try as you might, you will always be yourself", the implication being that Chara is, was, and always will be, themself.
the way I see them is at best the liked the monsters and hated hated humanity and themself and wanted to get violent over it but after a while after there gambit failed they just sorta branched out
This was very good and i would watch more if ya make 'em!
There is no way Chara is evil when she so cute.
There's something incredibly funny about Frisk smiling so smugly.
This is good. Good video.
i didnt realize how long this video was and i completely forgot about the postal 2 part of the thumbnail. woulda been real fuckin funny if i sat through the entire undertale portion and got jumpscared by postal dude lmao
I am a simple woman. I see the Postal Dude. I click.
Same but I'm a dude, and it's with frisk
That Eddsworld clip just got you a sub. Incredibly based.
This is what should be taught in classes
i have nothing to add besides saying its a great video, so have this lil thing that has been on my mind for a long while:
When you said about the song(undyne ost and mettaton power of neo similarity), you reminded me of the fact i always thought that Megalovania wasn't Sans theme, but *our* theme. since the songs play when someone starts a battle, and most of the time, the opponent are the ones doing that to us, unlike in the sans battle, where WE are the ones starting it.
We are the megalomaniac, not sans.(Which would be a nice nod to another song related to sans in the game files, "the song that might play when you fight sans", which is a more chill version/elevator version of megalovania, but the key point in here is that the name of the song is saying YOU are the one fighting sans, starting the battle, which pushes he idea that Megalovania is our theme.)
This was such a good video
amazing flow & humor, easy sub
these videos are so good and tasty. i enjoy all of these. Good stuff methinks. thank u
You have so much forbidden knowledge
i am exceptionally glad i came across this video
21:50 ribbit mention
29:30 I think there’s more nuance to this. Another possibility is for Asgore to ask some suicidal humans to give him their souls willingly, or look for 6 humans already in the throes of death, comfort them in their last moments, and take their souls as they die.
I'm glad to have someone finally say something about Chara. Thank you.
you have alerted the fandoms
There's still loads of evidence for Chara only accepting their role in Genocide due to you doing it in the first place, even disregarding narrachara entirely and just using their end of run dialogue. The following is a direct, continuous quote from everyone's first genocide.
“Your power awakened me from death. // My “human soul.” // My “determination.” // They were not mine, but yours. // At first, I was so confused. // Our plan [Asriel] had failed, hadn't it? // Why was I brought back to life? // ... // You. // With your guidance. [sic] // I realised the purpose of my reincarnation. [sic] // Power. // Together, we eradicated the enemy and became strong.”
Chara only adopts the “murder everyone” schtick because they believed that the only possible reason for them to have been ressurrected in the first place was to complete your work together. To “eradicate the enemy.”
Then, when you repeat genocide, Chara actively looks down on you. You are an existance so alien to them that they need to be in direct ownership of your SOUL to even begin to understand the meaning of your actions.
“You and I are not the same, are we? // This SOUL resonates with a strange feeling. // There is a reason you continue to recreate this world. // There is a reason you continue to destroy it. // You. // You are wracked with a perverted sentimentality. // Hmm. // I cannot understand these feelings any more.”
My personal interpretation is that they only celebrated the end result of the genocide run because they believed that it had to serve a greater purpose. They are an ordinary human being who was just returned from death in the name of destroying everything that they have ever known and loved, so they can only possibly accept it by believing that it is done in the name of a greater purpose. Some sort of act of God or masterful plot *_must_* underly this to them; it can't be about *_killing,_* it has to be about something gained *_by killing._* HP. AT. DF. GOLD. EXP. LV. They go out of their way to justify your actions because they don't have the emotional and mental faculty necessary to assume that you would do such a horrible thing for absolutely nothing in exchange. Not because they're just a kid, or because they're a good person, but because in the face of that cosmic scale of indifference, no person can reasonably comprehend it. We become their very own exemplar for cosmic horror.
I got an actual loremaster in the comments, that means I finally hit the big time. Yeah, I’m not gonna act like an expert at all, what specifically bugged me was that some people get really uppity about Chara’s association with the genocide route when it’s clear there’s meant to be a parallel, especially since Flowey recognizes you as them once you clear the Ruins. I don’t particularly have much interest in getting deep into the minutiae of this kind of thing, it just specifically bothers me when people use loose pieces of evidence to make a point. It’s supposed to be pretty cut and dry that Chara is taking over during the end of the route (which doesn’t excuse you of your actions, mind you. The player still names Chara, they’re still a part of you.)
Tl;dr yeah probably lol
@@Gabri_Lovecraft🫃
@@Gabri_Lovecraft
There are a lot of headcanons floating around about this game simply because it is a very good game that is aware of how it is written for the entire experience and levereges the utmost engagement from it. I always respect an opinion spoken from a mindset that recognises where there is a hole in a plot or a hole in the fulfillment of a theme more than I will one that is sure of being right because the former kind of person will openly explore multiple narrative and thematic interpretations of the same events.
The exact example that you used, where Flowey recognises you, is incredibly interesting to read the other way; as if Flowey is making a mistake because he's desperate to find something that makes his life worthwhile. That he is confusing the reality of a murderer with his childhood friend because if he's been made into a “monster,” then why not them?
Meanwhile, though, the parallels between Flowey and Frisk become dyed in a new light if you instead replace Frisk's will with Chara and put faith in Flowey's claims because then you have a tale of two siblings growing up and actualising their lives through a deliciously deadly compact, only for one to outgrow the other after a freak accident left their faculty for empathy numb. It's a painful, compelling story that is worth telling in and of itself. Both perspectives aren't simply valid, but can coexist as alternatives to each other.
I believe that one of UnderTale's greatest strengths is its use of ambiguity in its writing. You hear “show, don't tell” often in discussions of how to express game mechanic tutorials and narrative elements to your audience, but to instead choose to “don't show, don't tell” can invite all host of mediums for newfound appreciation of your art. *_Theories._*
If there were a right way to appreciate that deliberate choice in UnderTale's writing, then I dare say that it would be recognising that ambiguity in its whole like you do. Your argument wasn't worded so elegantly in the video, since it was admittedly a bit of a rant and putting more time into writing that part of the script may not have appealed to you, but I have a sincere respect for people that consume media skeptically and retain a grounded perspective, even while actively trying to learn more.
38:16 The evidence people attribute to alphys being bisexual is 1. according to the mettaton intro quiz, alphys has a crush on asgore, and alphys became the royal scientist to impress asgore. 2. In alphys' true lab entries she mentions that working on mettatons ex form makes her sweaty
:^ )
Never would’ve expected Postal 2 and Undertale to be in the same title.
Nice vid thou
Refusing to elaborate on sans theme was diabolic
"if chara was influenced by you directly you'd think that the game would show this" actual dialog from the very scene your showing: at first i was so confused our plan had failed hadn't it why was i brought back to life you with your guidance i realized the purpose of my reincarnation power
12:40 echoes of chazington
Awesome video!
Asgore could have visited six people at their deathbeds instead of killing six people, or if it has to be killing either asking people if they wanted to be killed by him on their deathbed and asking their families and doctors as well if its ok, or assassinating people if the former isn't an option.
I know i already commented but. You are so based. That RPG list is legendary
YAAAAAY MORE GABRI CONTENT
Why do frisk and postal dude look like they on a buddy cop poster from the 2000s 🤣
Oh hey, a video about two of my favorite games ^-^
you had me so hooked before thebustagroovereferenceOHNOMYSPACEBAROHNO
Really good video as always grins , ive yet to play postal 2 but me and undertale go way back, and i find the exploration and the tying of the two games very interesting and fun. the cats are scary though. Do be warned
the thumbnail really helps amber good job
13:04 revenge of the sunfish referenced, my life is complete
21:49 Btw, in my previous comment I mentioned that this video convinced me to play Ribbit. Well, since then, I finished Ribbit & (Spoilers for those reading the comments.)
+new game plus. (I've yet to play geno though), and I just got to say, *_please_* make the Ribbit video. I can't really find any video essays (the only one I could find lacks any voice-over. Didn't even bother with text to speech so I can't really listen to it while doing other stuff,) and I feel like I need a video to like, help explain/process what I played. (I already got a lot, and the secret files helped explain some things + talking with some folks on ACDs, but I feel this craving for Ribbit analysis that can't really be filled. The Manos: The Hands of Fate fight at least gave me the idea to compare that fight with the photoshop Flowey fight, and the final boss fights of Mother 3 and Omori as some sort of "final boss fights that make you feel things" video or something.)
Next Halloween.
59:18 HELL REVEALED MENTIONED 🗣🗣🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
I have heard someone mention that the theme during the boss fights is yours during genocide route. 0:
The genocide route does stuff like the glad dummy to make you feel guilty, to make you stop. Attacking the monsterkid, everything was to make your heart tingle. Though, something that some people never talk about that I've seen is the dialogue that comes when Sans beats you if you surrender. People hype up the meme half of "GET DUNKED ON", but the part the follows afterwards, that single little hope he has. "If you're really my friend, you won't come back."
Dang that postal existential crisis that turns you into Flowey 2.0 was too real. But it feels natural I guess; there isn't a point in remaining good.....
Oneshot has been mentioned video perfect
A Čeda AND a Bust a groove fan!? God, you’re cool
Um, undertale thing,
i love the cat in the alley of mtt resort.
hard ass thumbnail
Thank you Q from Third Strike please don’t do your Super Art where you punch me in the balls and head
Q q do the explosion attack
A trans woman who plays Postal 2 and Roblox, flirts with women she calls “mom”, and has a thing for getting tied up? Gee, you’re really hitting all the stereotypes here, aren’t you? Reminds me of myself circa 5 minutes ago…
Jokes aside, I loved the video! I think your analysis of Undertale is an interesting take that honestly makes quite a lot of sense, especially your view of Sans’ character, and the Postal 2 analysis is wonderful - it really captures the core essence of the game, how it comments on violence in video games without really making much of a direct statement. It turns the tables on you - in a normal FPS, the game forces violence upon you, but here you’re forcing violence upon it. While it does become violent, while it does oppose you at every step, true pacifists would - and, indeed, have - beat the game without killing a single person. It is quite literally as violent as you are, and when it comes to a game like this, all of us eventually turn violent.
Regarding the Chuck Heston reference in Postal 2, I’m not a 40-something year old (sad, I know), but I can offer some insight. Mister Heston was the actor who played the main character in the original version of The Planet of the Apes (and a ton of other movies) hence the “you damn dirty apes” portion of the line, but he was also a civil rights and gun control advocate turned Ronald Reagan campaigner who became the literal President of the NRA and was obsessed with gun rights, hence both the whole “tax rebate” part and the fact that it’s said when you kill someone - this is also why the Hestonworld difficulty gives everyone guns. It’s a funny joke if you actually know the context, like most people playing Postal 2 when it released probably would.
Another joke in the game is way more relevant to when the game came out - the package exploding is actually a rather hamfisted reference to the 2001 anthrax attacks, in which one of the envelopes had a fake school address for its RSVP, and if you look closely you can see that the Dude’s package has a blatantly fake address obviously made by the terrorists. The contents of the letter inside included “Death to America”, “Death to Israel”, and “Allah is great”, so it definitely makes sense why they’d make the terrorists in-game send it… except, once the investigation into them was finished a few years after Postal 2 came out, it turned out it was probably just some psychotic American scientist who was either incredibly mentally ill or wanted research into an anthrax vaccine to start up again.
Anyways, apologies for the infodump and all. I just really like Postal 2.
You beg for emo boy serial killers to DM you and that's fine, but you imply you want to get tied up ONE time...
But genuinely, thank you. It means the world that I'm both understandable and also correct. Genuinely, the rush of someone taking the time out of their day to tell you how your art spoke to them never goes away. I genuinely try and read and respond to everyone, even the random kids that friend request me on Discord (Why are they always teenagers where are the twice my age ex-forum bitches in my friend requests) because it means so much to me. I don't care if that's generic TH-camr sentences. I mean it, damn it! Neither of these games I'd consider like, top 10 contenders, but it was nice to air out all my thoughts. Every time a friend mentions Undertale now, I genuinely can just go "i talk about this in my video" and I'm done. I'm free. Now I have to do that for every video game I ever play, and I can sleep easy at night.
Also I don't want to actually get tied up. I'm not explaining my taste further. At least treat me to dinner first!
@@Gabri_Lovecraft A response like this means the world to me! I like to give at least some semblance of feedback on works that I enjoy since I know a lot of artists appreciate hearing what others think about their art. I'm really glad to know that you enjoyed seeing my feedback, even if it was brief and not particularly in-depth. I really hope that you can continue making videos like these. It's always nice to get a glimpse of others' perspectives, even on things I'm already more than familiar with.
For a moment I thought it was "Portal 2" instead of Postal 2, it still would fit by analysing GLaDOS and Wheatley.
EDIT: And the turrets too since they also have a personality and Caroline.
That style of frisk on the thumbnail reminds me of If Undertale was Realistic.
That's my favorite fan version of Frisk. Mid 30s or so, with a drinking problem, and may or may not be a giraffe.
Conclusion:
We should play Ceda Cedovic
51:11 Ahem PARADISE IN POSTAL 2 IS ALWAYS A HELL HOLE NO MATTER THE PLAYTHROUGH. There is a grave yard that still gets graves buried even on a pacifist playthrough Meaning that this joke could probably still land
15:13
it literally was...
(Toby Fox was improving as he created the game)
THE EPIC CROSSOVER MENTIONED
Color Book
Postal 3 tried to emphasize Postal 2's morality schtick. It failed because people played Postal to kill people.
Alternatively, it could be because of the tone.
Why won't Civvie watch this? It justifies his criticism with P3
Big Time
Don’t worry Leather, soon I’ll indoctrinate all of the art students and English majors to your side
More Rality? I think we have enough of that, thanks!!
I enjoy the part where Under tale'd all over the place
Gjoblojobgojoggoslor gjjhoojlkokjrghodhnjoklobajgir
22:35 to be fair ceda is more than a meme game with a *magical art style* and soundtrack that makes my ears go awooga.
54:50 HFJONE JUMPSCARE
I WAS NOT EXPECTING THE KAPUT AND ZÖSKY JUMPSCARE (even though we literally talked about it) I feel so proud to be ur sister rn. Maybe one day I'll finish that video about wtf it is
2 Comment Andy
@@Gabri_Lovecraft So nice you see me twice
@@chiiroptereh babe...
My buddies but Easter day sucks