That is obviously fiddle, or at least partially. "Little Light" is what he calls lux in game. And his voice is obviously his sometimes. He might be possesing this mageseeker.
That guy is obviously a demon but i'm not sure it's fiddle, because 1. from what we know fiddle poorly mimics voices of people but i don't think it was ever mentionned that he can take the form of people 2. this extension is linked to dreams and the demacian cards of the extension are lux's dream of demacia, so idk if fiddle can go in the dreams of people So is he fiddle or a new demon idk but i'm kinda hyped to know
@@nomnomnomnomnomnomnomnom1 In Lillia's level animation. If we view frame-by-frame of the pictures when she is viewing a bad dream (which is seemingly Lux's), some of the pictures have birds in it that seems like Crows or Ravens. Only Swain and Fiddle have association to those birds IIRC. Though a new demon or a reworked Nocturne is also a possibility.
Woah, this gives rise to so many theories..."yeah, this skins itches", fiddlesticks is the type of being that can perfectly skin someone alive and put their skin on it, yes, evelynn did it once, But not like that, besides, his way of speaking is similar, and the worst of all if it turns out to be him: he is adapting...How much time is left before he is no different from a normal human?
@@iwatchstuffs7933 Well, it's not a problem, it doesn't just have to be that long ago, people also tend to do things much later than planned, besides, if the fear evolves, fiddle too
No Fiddle can not skin people perfectly...he is sloppy and more like a wild animal unlike the other demons who have speech and the intelligence of humans. Fiddle only hunts for food which is fear in his case. He only reacts to the things around him. He does not have a higher motive. And he is so old that adapting now would make little sense. Especially because he has no reason to adapt. His methods of inducing fear and killing others have worked for millions of years. Fiddle is as old as the universe itself maybe even older. I dont think this is fiddle.
Fiddle don't understand human nor know how to speak , you can say he didn't evolve unlike Evelyn for example .that demon can understand and speak. If you want to know more you can see necrit video he explain all the new card
My take on why I think this is Fiddlesticks and also a foreshadowing of what Fiddle will do as a champion in Lor is as follows. In LoL lore Fiddlesticks is the demon inside the scarecrow's chest. If you watch his recall, Fiddle leaves as a red cloudy mist before pulling the lifeless scarecrow from the ground with him. It's like a makeshift body he just borrowed. Not a far stretch to assume that the Mageseeker was killed for some reason, since you can hear him talk normaly at one point, and Fiddle just decided to use his body as a free real estate. This could also lead to Fiddle being able to transform in slain units for his champion ability in LoR.
Honestly proper-speaking fiddle is a very different kind of terror than pulls out your biggest fear from your mind fiddle and Im all for it. Like imagine you are soldier in the woods and instead of some terrifying monster voice, it is your own that calls you to the depths.
I would say this was something close to Fiddlesticks but it ain't the Fiddlesticks we know. Since this Aberrant Mageseeker it just a manifestation of Lux's Dream, even the card associated with this is something made of Lux's dream of Demacia without racism...🤣🤣🤣
@@DJKO12X Imagine that it is fiddlesticks literally adapting more and more to the human way of speaking, imagine that at some point you can no longer distinguish anything
My only concern (as a fiddle sticks main who loves him and knows every inch of his lore) is that he seems too...interactive? Fiddle sticks is one of the 10, aka primal emotions. One of the things that makes fiddle, fiddle, is that he only speaks in phrases that incite fear. This certainly seems like an offshoot OF fear, but it almost seems like this person personifies doubt or paranoia to me. Especially since he is Lux's dream, I think he's more of a sub demon than the ACTUAL scarecrow himself. That being said, it wouldn't be the first time that we see fiddle NOT speak like a "trauma echo". After all we see Surpise Party Fiddlesticks, where he takes on the qualities of a specific fear and rolls with it.
Idk guys, this level of deception and not just committing murder doesn't seem like fiddle, and dreams have always been more of a nocturne thing (probably a new demon tbh)
Fiddle is a intelligent demon, it's just more overcome by it's want for power and fear. This could be a sign it's intelligence because the worlds kinda caught on to the way he is
not ranked just numbered theory 1 fiddlesticks, fiddle is the demon of fear, nightmares cause fear he does kind of sound like fiddle, but fiddle hasn't shown proficiency in manipulating dream/nightmare theory 2 Nocturn, He is the demon of Nightmares and has trapped people in nightmares before, He has motive in that he likely hates Lux for spoiling his meal doing the Fossbarrow incident, it isn't nocturns usual tactic but Nocturn is intelligent, so he might disguise himself (something we know from his boss fight in mageseeker that he can do) so that Lux doesn't recognize him, theory 3 Rayn from mageseeker, she is a somniummancer(dream mage idk if this is a word i just took the latin word for dream and put mancer at the end) the dream starts out by showing Lux her dream demarcia before becoming nightmarish when the mageseekers or Tianna shows, this could be Sylas way of turning lux against nobility but it doesn't explain Vex and the others in the dream, and it doesn't seem like something Sylas would do this theory 4 something else i personally think it's nocturn
It really looks like fiddle, his hands, his face, the way he talks, the red on the gem of his clothes, it would be an actual surprise if he is just a nightmare
Makes sense Fiddle's new stolen body is a mageseeker. Mages are terrified of them. This form is both the scariest thing around, but also can safely walk around.
The fact he mimics voices, such as Sylas's "Little light", his at times aberrant speech similiar to fiddles, fact that fiddle appeared in demacia in a cinematic, connection to Lux's fears - he appears as a mageseeker.
@@bartekszustak1121nocturne is also currently residing in demacia, quinn had to deal with him and the last mention of eve was also in demacia. The real problem here is that the demon also affected vex's dream
@@nechocat1234 I see. Well, another thing mentioned by him is a "lamp" which once more makes me think of fiddle. Anyways, there is oddly a lot of shapeshifting-nightmar-inducing-demons in demacia.
@@bartekszustak1121 the lantern he refers to is lux as the source of hope in the dream it wants to destroy, what we have to consider is that this mageseeker is not the true enemy, the entity probably found it easier to corrupt the mageseeker since they are already a simbol of fear for mages
this is lux's dream, so its entirely possible that it isnt real and is just an imagination of fiddle. alternatively, since fiddle is the demon of fear, and lux fears mageseekers and what they do, that could be that.
they did say they wanted rework shaco a long long time ago and it was supposed to be something connected to demacia so yeah that checks out a little i guess
Hmmm. On the one hand it certainly hits a lot of similar notes to Fiddlesticks and how it speaks. But on the other hand it seems too well adjusted to be Fiddlesticks, whatever it is, it clearly is wearing the body of that mageseeker but is also entirely capable of acting the part. And that’s just kind of antithetical to Fiddlesticks’ MO. Fiddlesticks never directly fools anyone with its imitations, it doesn’t infiltrate without leaving a trail of bodies and as far as we know it prefers to cobble puppet bodies to use instead of possession since it’s understanding of the world is so incomprehensible. Fiddlesticks prefers to stalk and terrify, circling and isolating its prey before striking, yet it never shows itself directly before the killing begins. Even in Braum’s little story about the Voice Eater implies that it lured people away into the dark before striking. If I had to hazard a guess I might say it could be a lesser fear demon, in a similar vein as Nocturne, one with less power but more adjusted to humanity, allowing it to possess its victims or more subtle methods. If memory serves, Fiddlesticks was drawn to Demacia on account of the rising fear and panic caused by the Mage Rebellion, it might not be a stretch to think it would be attracting other demons to its lands along with the more eldritch demons.
Fiddlesticks says little light because its lux past trauma with what happened with her and sylas the mageseeker may have said the same line but hes still speaking in full sentences fiddlesticks only mimicks the person voices fears and past traumas i don't think its him but i might be another demon.
I mean its probably not fiddlesticks. All these cards are from Lux's dreams. She is a mage, but mageseekers pretend to be friendly to those around them to lower the guard of mages in order to expose them. Monsters in human skin, from lux's perspective. The mageseeker mask has grown to consume half of his face, and his body is uncannily distorted. I think its just the two faced nature of the Mageseekers, plus dream horror distortion. Could even be related to nocturne, since its a nightmare that lux must overcome, and shadows are a common theme in the set.
Another thing - His card design feels... less noticable than the rest. For the other cards, you can see their faces in broad daylight or night, but then when you look at this card - His face is nearly covered, but no expression shows. His body is exaggerated enlarged and the dark tones shadowing his features before you spot a glimmer of *red* on his shoulder. It makes the character feel superior, especially since mageseekers are Lux's greatest fear.
I always felt the art almost looks AI. But not actually generated, as if someone was intentionally mimicking the wrongness of it. Which absolutely works if this is Fiddlesticks
Fiddle doesn't speak in his own words. He repeats words that incite fear in the person he's encountered and theyre pretty much exclusively quotes other people say.
Though it could have something to do with Fiddle and I HOPE SO, I mean he is currently said to be in demacia, Fiddle doesn't really interact like this, talking this well and seems to be making his own sentences? Maybe fiddle can possess people or enter nightmares but we don't know anything about that (This LoR story is about Lux's dream, so if anything it could be Nocturne haunting your dreams for paranoia like he did before Lux banished him or whatever happened there) But yes, the voice sounds similar, especially with how he talks but I think it's a little too advanced for Fiddle. But the "Little Light" threw me off a bit but if it's a nightmare, Lux is probably remembering "little light" as that's what Sylas calls her (which is also why fiddle mimics that in game)
@@jynxed66six54 Yea! As I said in the end, he says it but only to traumatize lux with what Sylas said to her, so I meant it like, it could be fiddle, or Lux remembering what Sylas said, in her dream. Really hope it's fiddle though
I can't see it being Fiddlesticks because Fiddle doesn't have his own voice. He speaks through things he's heard his victims say, but this guy is speaking in full sentences and speaking his own thoughts. DEFINITELY giving Ten Kings vibes though.
its deff nocturne guys. Fiddle usually uses the familiar image. While this mageseeker is like a combination of Big scary mageseeker steriotype. Plus fiddle just re-uses the phrases while here nocturnes complains about the body he "possesed". This Expention was for Lillia and Lux. lux has ties with Nocturne he is like her arch-nemesis
You have to remember that Fiddlesticks was summoned by a mage we dont know about as far as I remember and then was never heard from again. Could this be the mage who summoned fiddle and fell as Fiddles first victim, and that is infact his voice/accent/way of speaking (whatever) that Fiddle adapted from the first victim? Just a quick theory that comes to mind.
Definitely a demon, probably not Fiddle. These cards are about dreams but it also doesn't seem similar to Nocturne. Call me hopeful but I think it might be a new demon. Cool.
Guys, unless they completely change Fiddle's lore, this isn't him. He can't steal appearances, he can't form his own coherent thoughts, and quite honestly the voice doesn't even sound like fiddlesticks. I think this is probably Shaco, the rhythm and tone that he speaks at sounds really similar to Shaco, and though he doesn't sound like Shaco in league, his voicelines in league are 15 years old, they're bound to change how he sounds. Lorewise, this also makes sense for Shaco, being able to possess people fits for a trickster puppet demon, and it would be an interesting direction for them to go with him.
Idk. This thing sounds too conscious for Fiddle. Also tgere a difference between Fear (Fiddle) and nightmare (Nocturne). The theme of expansion is Dream. So it is more place for Nocturne than Fiddle. In the same time some lines are identical to the way Fiddle says it. And also I really wanna to see Fiddlesticks in the game, so I kinda don't know
I don't think this is him. Fiddlesticks isn't that conscious of what he does, he repeats people's lines almost as an unconscious instinct. This one seems more... Intent on a specific goal. Maybe it's Nocturne?
@@escahfaidhe755 fiddlesticks Doesn't possess other peoples bodies he doesn't talk in full sentences as matter fact he technically doesn't even a voice like I said he mimicks peoples past traumas and there greatest fear. Now I can see this being nocturne because of nightmares and he speaks a little like nocturne buts that all. it might be just another demon.
This cannot be fiddle because: 1:Fiddle can not talk to people. He is just like a parrot. He mimicks voices by either remembering the last voices before his victims deaths or by using his powers to see his targets greatest fears which are usually memories of the past. He uses those to strike fear into his prey. But! YOu have to understand hat Fiddlesticks is more like a wild animal than a smart demon. He purely acts out of instinct. he is not smart like the other demons who trick humans and kill them. 2:Fiddlesticks has never posessed humans before but only inanimate objects. He usually just takes whatever he can find and puts it together. At the same time he can possess multiple bodies at once or switches between them since all of Runeterra knows about him and tells tales of him. (if you look at his skins you will see that every skin is from another part of Runeterra) 3: What may be happening here is that this character is being influenced by Fiddlesticks. Maybe this mageseeker is sticking his nose into magic that is closely connected to fiddlesticks and is by being so close to it he is loosing slowly his mind. Maybe fiddlesticks is starting to possess him but that would be kinda weird because he has never done that before.
Okay, grim thought, hear me out. "This skin itches" what if... Fiddlesticks' skeleton is inside the mageseeker after taking his voice. Tahm and Eve have been around Runeterra for awhile thats why they speak normally. Fiddlesticks is older, but more recent to Runeterra so he needed time... what if that time to adjust and improve have come? What if Fiddlesticks how will hide in the corpses of his victims and lure them into a false sense of safety and security? Afterall Fiddlesticks was summoned by a mage what if he is after mages to grow stronger?
This is definitely Fiddlesticks. The double voices and Fiddle calling Lux “little light” (That’s what Sylas called Lux) just confirms its Fiddlesticks. Even Fiddle saying, “Ah, this skin.. It itches” makes it clear it's Fiddle. This just tells us that Fiddlesticks has evolved even more (in Runeterra) to the point of being able to use human hosts (like Ashlesh for example). Also, the fact he can speak actual sentences instead of mimicking words is just horrifying 😅 Edit: Remember, Fiddlesticks feeds off fear, so it's possible it makes him stronger and maybe even evolves him if possible.
Unless riot updates his lore even further I don't see this fiddlesticks plus he forms sentences far to well now I can see this being nocturne since his thing is nightmares and this is lux dream or it could be another Demon
it souns like fiddle but fiddle cant out right say words . he either has to hear them before , or be the last words of its victim . this is a demon but i dont think its fiddle
i must be high or something, but i swear i can see above his ribbon on his chest the face of Donald Duck (pink eye, beak on the left and his little hat on the top right...)
probably not fiddle, no im sure its not him, might be a minor demon under fiddle, tho im not sure if a primordial demon like fiddle has minions or minor demons under him, i just assume such cause eve has followers and other demons like him/her/it
everyone says fiddle...but honestly i think its nocturne, i mean, he is the demon of NIGHTMARES and this is Lux's DREAM, as many said, he speaks too well to be fiddle, who can only speak in words he has heard before, then again, there is still a chance its him, since it does sound more like fiddle in general. it is still kinda lame to have noct get yet again utterly outclassed by fiddle tho, like, come on fiddle my boi, at least leave him the whole dream thing!
While it is 100% Fiddle I find it weird that it says "darkness awaits" since it's literally a nocturne quote, maybe we'll get a demon archetype with fiddle at the helm and a Nocturne retrain?
Fiddlesticks can't talk, it can only repeat quotes said by other people and even animal noises. Sure he sounds like Fiddle, but this very important fact about the character should not be overlooked as it debunks that theory.
i'm not sure if i its fiddle, they seem to be making sentences of their own, while as far as i know, fiddle only talks with other peoples voices. (I may be wrong because its true the tone is similar)
Idk a lot of signs point to fiddlesticks but other signs say that's not compatible with what we know of him. It's really hard to say because there's a ton we don't know about the limitations of these demons.
I don't think it's fiddle, other lesser demon need to know how to trick people cause they are weaker and are more intelligent, fiddlesticks is so powerful he doesn't need to use any trick or anything he just devour everything on his way for fun and he can't speak that well and he can't use new words he just use the words that the person fear the most and used them recently
I dont think, is a dream and fiddlestick as far as we know only attacks irl, unless he got his hands on some dream juice in lilia garden, but as far as we know he is on demacia
This isn't fiddlesticks on the sole grounds that the Abberant Mageseeker wearing someone's skin and for focusing on the topic of light and darkness. Fiddlesticks does neither; being a fear demon that harvests people's last breaths and voices. EDIT: I'd sooner believe this to be a primordial demon of Darkness. Evelyn have implied there are a few demons walking about, but very few actually walking among mortals.
@@ErianaACosta It very well could be, but I'm convinced it is a different demon. If you try listening to both the mageseeker and fiddle's VA you can hear clear differences, the only real similarity being the talking while sucking inn air method of distorting words.
For me, its not Fiddlesticks, it is to, elaborate. This is something Nocturne or a different entity would do Fiddlesticks is too dumb to do something this elaborate, not dumb in the not smart way, but dumb in it follows primal instinct way Fiddlesticks will say its targets deepest fears, not because it knows why but because it knows it scares them, then kills them, also im pretty sure it cannot enter dreams doesn’t seem like a Fiddlesticky thing to do
That is obviously fiddle, or at least partially. "Little Light" is what he calls lux in game. And his voice is obviously his sometimes. He might be possesing this mageseeker.
That's because "Little Light" is the way Sylas calls Lux(which is also Lux's biggest fear).
@@wahaha1220 And fiddle mimics voices, in this case, Sylas's. Which just makes sense since this characther is a mageseeker, and is in demacia
That guy is obviously a demon but i'm not sure it's fiddle, because 1. from what we know fiddle poorly mimics voices of people but i don't think it was ever mentionned that he can take the form of people 2. this extension is linked to dreams and the demacian cards of the extension are lux's dream of demacia, so idk if fiddle can go in the dreams of people
So is he fiddle or a new demon idk but i'm kinda hyped to know
@@nomnomnomnomnomnomnomnom1 He could be what Lux percieves fiddle as. A mimicing demon that wished to extinguish the light.
@@nomnomnomnomnomnomnomnom1 In Lillia's level animation. If we view frame-by-frame of the pictures when she is viewing a bad dream (which is seemingly Lux's), some of the pictures have birds in it that seems like Crows or Ravens.
Only Swain and Fiddle have association to those birds IIRC. Though a new demon or a reworked Nocturne is also a possibility.
Yea he is definitly a demon, either outright Fiddle or some minor demon of Fiddle like Eve's cards are subservient to her.
Woah, this gives rise to so many theories..."yeah, this skins itches", fiddlesticks is the type of being that can perfectly skin someone alive and put their skin on it, yes, evelynn did it once, But not like that, besides, his way of speaking is similar, and the worst of all if it turns out to be him: he is adapting...How much time is left before he is no different from a normal human?
It's been thousand of years he is bound to adapt
@@iwatchstuffs7933 Well, it's not a problem, it doesn't just have to be that long ago, people also tend to do things much later than planned, besides, if the fear evolves, fiddle too
@@GetJhinxed something irks me too why in demacia maybe someone Might be helping him adapt and evolve faster
@@iwatchstuffs7933 Nah, I like to think about evolution, but fiddlesticks just aren't made to collaborate or simply exist with any other living being.
No Fiddle can not skin people perfectly...he is sloppy and more like a wild animal unlike the other demons who have speech and the intelligence of humans. Fiddle only hunts for food which is fear in his case. He only reacts to the things around him. He does not have a higher motive. And he is so old that adapting now would make little sense. Especially because he has no reason to adapt. His methods of inducing fear and killing others have worked for millions of years. Fiddle is as old as the universe itself maybe even older. I dont think this is fiddle.
Come on, it can't be really Fiddlesticks
**hears voicelines**
nvm then
But what is he doing in Lux‘s dream?
(All these new demacian cards are in a dream of Lux)
yeah right
@@Battledragon4 a nightmare ig
Fiddlestick manifest. or it's just her vision of fiddlestick since she never seen fiddlestick true form?
Me clicking on the video " This sounds like a lotta bul-... never fking mind."
00:28
AYO? WHAT DID HE JUST SAY?
FIDDLE I DIDNT KNOW U WERE DOWN LIKE THAT
Can't a brother have a light🚬
based fiddle now I like him even more
You mean "meager, just a spark"???
What's so strange about that
@@truthwatcher2096 it just sounds like he is saying the N-word
its pretty funny
I think Fiddlesticks is slowly adapting to its surroundings
If you look at him side ways, those two things around his head and his insignia look like Fiddle’s face!!
Fiddle don't understand human nor know how to speak , you can say he didn't evolve unlike Evelyn for example .that demon can understand and speak.
If you want to know more you can see necrit video he explain all the new card
@@abdelrahmanalaa3311 wtf are you talking about. Fiddle can speak
@@abdelrahmanalaa3311 He can learn like other demons have
@@williamzinedineh no he didn't speak he mimic voices. see video about fiddle lore i can't explain his story probably because my English isn't good
@@ethanchoate9566 the guy is so old he is the first demon and he can't learn bc he is so old
My take on why I think this is Fiddlesticks and also a foreshadowing of what Fiddle will do as a champion in Lor is as follows. In LoL lore Fiddlesticks is the demon inside the scarecrow's chest. If you watch his recall, Fiddle leaves as a red cloudy mist before pulling the lifeless scarecrow from the ground with him. It's like a makeshift body he just borrowed. Not a far stretch to assume that the Mageseeker was killed for some reason, since you can hear him talk normaly at one point, and Fiddle just decided to use his body as a free real estate. This could also lead to Fiddle being able to transform in slain units for his champion ability in LoR.
What if he repeats champ voice lines but in his demonic voice
Should have been viego like in wild rift
Honestly proper-speaking fiddle is a very different kind of terror than pulls out your biggest fear from your mind fiddle and Im all for it. Like imagine you are soldier in the woods and instead of some terrifying monster voice, it is your own that calls you to the depths.
I would say this was something close to Fiddlesticks but it ain't the Fiddlesticks we know. Since this Aberrant Mageseeker it just a manifestation of Lux's Dream, even the card associated with this is something made of Lux's dream of Demacia without racism...🤣🤣🤣
Fiddle's entire goal is to instill fear, this can't be him since he's leagues too calm. That and he speaks coherent sentences
Imho - he talks too well for fiddle, I think it might be a void creature or perhaps another demon
Its Fiddle...the death sound almost too similar..
And the fact that he can copy the voice of it's victims. It's definitely him.
@@DJKO12X Imagine that it is fiddlesticks literally adapting more and more to the human way of speaking, imagine that at some point you can no longer distinguish anything
I think it might be a lesser demon bound to Fiddle, or the influence of Fiddle bleeding into her dream; Not fully fiddle.
But what is he doing in Lux‘s dream?
(All these new demacian cards are in a dream of Lux)
He's the fear/nightmare demon
My only concern (as a fiddle sticks main who loves him and knows every inch of his lore) is that he seems too...interactive? Fiddle sticks is one of the 10, aka primal emotions. One of the things that makes fiddle, fiddle, is that he only speaks in phrases that incite fear. This certainly seems like an offshoot OF fear, but it almost seems like this person personifies doubt or paranoia to me. Especially since he is Lux's dream, I think he's more of a sub demon than the ACTUAL scarecrow himself.
That being said, it wouldn't be the first time that we see fiddle NOT speak like a "trauma echo". After all we see Surpise Party Fiddlesticks, where he takes on the qualities of a specific fear and rolls with it.
Idk guys, this level of deception and not just committing murder doesn't seem like fiddle, and dreams have always been more of a nocturne thing (probably a new demon tbh)
It could be,
But i think it seems to intelligent to be fiddlesticks
Fiddle is a intelligent demon, it's just more overcome by it's want for power and fear. This could be a sign it's intelligence because the worlds kinda caught on to the way he is
0:29 ayo- what did he just say?????
meager ?
not ranked just numbered
theory 1 fiddlesticks, fiddle is the demon of fear, nightmares cause fear he does kind of sound like fiddle, but fiddle hasn't shown proficiency in manipulating dream/nightmare
theory 2 Nocturn, He is the demon of Nightmares and has trapped people in nightmares before, He has motive in that he likely hates Lux for spoiling his meal doing the Fossbarrow incident, it isn't nocturns usual tactic but Nocturn is intelligent, so he might disguise himself (something we know from his boss fight in mageseeker that he can do) so that Lux doesn't recognize him,
theory 3 Rayn from mageseeker, she is a somniummancer(dream mage idk if this is a word i just took the latin word for dream and put mancer at the end) the dream starts out by showing Lux her dream demarcia before becoming nightmarish when the mageseekers or Tianna shows, this could be Sylas way of turning lux against nobility but it doesn't explain Vex and the others in the dream, and it doesn't seem like something Sylas would do this
theory 4 something else
i personally think it's nocturn
It really looks like fiddle, his hands, his face, the way he talks, the red on the gem of his clothes, it would be an actual surprise if he is just a nightmare
Makes sense Fiddle's new stolen body is a mageseeker. Mages are terrified of them. This form is both the scariest thing around, but also can safely walk around.
The way he just randomly switches tones is the give-away.
I'm guessing it's some kind of demon born of the fear of mageseekers.
Finally. I've been waiting to see this mageseeker interaction. He's definitely not a real mageseeker.
Is there a reason why people think that something that shows up in dreams is fiddle and not nocturne
The fact he mimics voices, such as Sylas's "Little light", his at times aberrant speech similiar to fiddles, fact that fiddle appeared in demacia in a cinematic, connection to Lux's fears - he appears as a mageseeker.
@@bartekszustak1121nocturne is also currently residing in demacia, quinn had to deal with him and the last mention of eve was also in demacia. The real problem here is that the demon also affected vex's dream
@@nechocat1234 I see. Well, another thing mentioned by him is a "lamp" which once more makes me think of fiddle. Anyways, there is oddly a lot of shapeshifting-nightmar-inducing-demons in demacia.
@@bartekszustak1121 the lantern he refers to is lux as the source of hope in the dream it wants to destroy, what we have to consider is that this mageseeker is not the true enemy, the entity probably found it easier to corrupt the mageseeker since they are already a simbol of fear for mages
this is lux's dream, so its entirely possible that it isnt real and is just an imagination of fiddle. alternatively, since fiddle is the demon of fear, and lux fears mageseekers and what they do, that could be that.
it's fiddlesticks or some kind hint of a redux card for Nocturne like Lux those are the only two that fit
I want to believe that this is their take on Shaco, and this is Lore update or something
they did say they wanted rework shaco a long long time ago and it was supposed to be something connected to demacia so yeah that checks out a little i guess
honestly some of these lines sound like the va had fun
kellen goll is a legend
I belive he isnt in dream of lux but he is attacking the dream tree wich is causing fear in dreams, and the little depressed seeed is prolly possesed
Fiddle only talks in the words of its victims, Fiddle cant make up new Sentances so prolly another demon or something else idk
Definitely a demon, seems less feral than Fiddle though
remember people, lux illuminated AND her whole expansion related deck is a DREAM, this IS fiddle fear aura entering lux's dreams
Im pretty sure this all is related to Nocturne and Lux and Garen.
Fiddlesticks is adapting , learning , gaining sentience...we'll get Party Fiddle in no time folks!
I love him so much ❤❤❤
I couldn't believe it till I heard it.
Hmmm. On the one hand it certainly hits a lot of similar notes to Fiddlesticks and how it speaks.
But on the other hand it seems too well adjusted to be Fiddlesticks, whatever it is, it clearly is wearing the body of that mageseeker but is also entirely capable of acting the part.
And that’s just kind of antithetical to Fiddlesticks’ MO.
Fiddlesticks never directly fools anyone with its imitations, it doesn’t infiltrate without leaving a trail of bodies and as far as we know it prefers to cobble puppet bodies to use instead of possession since it’s understanding of the world is so incomprehensible.
Fiddlesticks prefers to stalk and terrify, circling and isolating its prey before striking, yet it never shows itself directly before the killing begins. Even in Braum’s little story about the Voice Eater implies that it lured people away into the dark before striking.
If I had to hazard a guess I might say it could be a lesser fear demon, in a similar vein as Nocturne, one with less power but more adjusted to humanity, allowing it to possess its victims or more subtle methods.
If memory serves, Fiddlesticks was drawn to Demacia on account of the rising fear and panic caused by the Mage Rebellion, it might not be a stretch to think it would be attracting other demons to its lands along with the more eldritch demons.
"little light" that is literally a fiddlesticks line he has with lux, bruh that's him
Fiddlesticks says little light because its lux past trauma with what happened with her and sylas the mageseeker may have said the same line but hes still speaking in full sentences fiddlesticks only mimicks the person voices fears and past traumas i don't think its him but i might be another demon.
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I mean its probably not fiddlesticks. All these cards are from Lux's dreams. She is a mage, but mageseekers pretend to be friendly to those around them to lower the guard of mages in order to expose them. Monsters in human skin, from lux's perspective. The mageseeker mask has grown to consume half of his face, and his body is uncannily distorted. I think its just the two faced nature of the Mageseekers, plus dream horror distortion. Could even be related to nocturne, since its a nightmare that lux must overcome, and shadows are a common theme in the set.
Another thing - His card design feels... less noticable than the rest. For the other cards, you can see their faces in broad daylight or night, but then when you look at this card - His face is nearly covered, but no expression shows. His body is exaggerated enlarged and the dark tones shadowing his features before you spot a glimmer of *red* on his shoulder. It makes the character feel superior, especially since mageseekers are Lux's greatest fear.
Either Fiddle is possessing him or pulling a skinwalker. Or maybe they just really like this type of voice for demons.
I always felt the art almost looks AI. But not actually generated, as if someone was intentionally mimicking the wrongness of it. Which absolutely works if this is Fiddlesticks
Played a fiddlesticks game with this on and yeah it sounds exactly like him
I'm scared
Fiddle doesn't speak in his own words. He repeats words that incite fear in the person he's encountered and theyre pretty much exclusively quotes other people say.
Though it could have something to do with Fiddle and I HOPE SO, I mean he is currently said to be in demacia, Fiddle doesn't really interact like this, talking this well and seems to be making his own sentences? Maybe fiddle can possess people or enter nightmares but we don't know anything about that (This LoR story is about Lux's dream, so if anything it could be Nocturne haunting your dreams for paranoia like he did before Lux banished him or whatever happened there)
But yes, the voice sounds similar, especially with how he talks but I think it's a little too advanced for Fiddle.
But the "Little Light" threw me off a bit but if it's a nightmare, Lux is probably remembering "little light" as that's what Sylas calls her (which is also why fiddle mimics that in game)
little light is also fiddles voice line when he meets lux in league
@@jynxed66six54 Yea! As I said in the end, he says it but only to traumatize lux with what Sylas said to her, so I meant it like, it could be fiddle, or Lux remembering what Sylas said, in her dream. Really hope it's fiddle though
I can't see it being Fiddlesticks because Fiddle doesn't have his own voice. He speaks through things he's heard his victims say, but this guy is speaking in full sentences and speaking his own thoughts. DEFINITELY giving Ten Kings vibes though.
its deff nocturne guys. Fiddle usually uses the familiar image. While this mageseeker is like a combination of Big scary mageseeker steriotype. Plus fiddle just re-uses the phrases while here nocturnes complains about the body he "possesed". This Expention was for Lillia and Lux. lux has ties with Nocturne he is like her arch-nemesis
You have to remember that Fiddlesticks was summoned by a mage we dont know about as far as I remember and then was never heard from again. Could this be the mage who summoned fiddle and fell as Fiddles first victim, and that is infact his voice/accent/way of speaking (whatever) that Fiddle adapted from the first victim? Just a quick theory that comes to mind.
Definitely a demon, probably not Fiddle. These cards are about dreams but it also doesn't seem similar to Nocturne. Call me hopeful but I think it might be a new demon. Cool.
Guys, unless they completely change Fiddle's lore, this isn't him. He can't steal appearances, he can't form his own coherent thoughts, and quite honestly the voice doesn't even sound like fiddlesticks. I think this is probably Shaco, the rhythm and tone that he speaks at sounds really similar to Shaco, and though he doesn't sound like Shaco in league, his voicelines in league are 15 years old, they're bound to change how he sounds. Lorewise, this also makes sense for Shaco, being able to possess people fits for a trickster puppet demon, and it would be an interesting direction for them to go with him.
Idk. This thing sounds too conscious for Fiddle. Also tgere a difference between Fear (Fiddle) and nightmare (Nocturne). The theme of expansion is Dream. So it is more place for Nocturne than Fiddle.
In the same time some lines are identical to the way Fiddle says it. And also I really wanna to see Fiddlesticks in the game, so I kinda don't know
He speaks a lot of darkness which makes me think it’s nocturne which makes sense since dreams and all.
But the way he speaks is similar to Fiddle
I don't think this is him. Fiddlesticks isn't that conscious of what he does, he repeats people's lines almost as an unconscious instinct. This one seems more... Intent on a specific goal.
Maybe it's Nocturne?
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never spected to see fiddle drop a N-word
Fiddle is primordial demon which is using vessels... If I remember right Necrits video about him
This is Shaco 👹
Oh my GOD thats so clearly fiddle
I don't think its him it might be another Demon
@@richardch.4356 Listen to him though. Who else talks like that??
@@escahfaidhe755 fiddlesticks Doesn't possess other peoples bodies he doesn't talk in full sentences as matter fact he technically doesn't even a voice like I said he mimicks peoples past traumas and there greatest fear. Now I can see this being nocturne because of nightmares and he speaks a little like nocturne buts that all. it might be just another demon.
@@escahfaidhe755 plus he mentions Darkness quite a lot which is a thing nocturne says a lot
Lux never seen fiddle illustrations, or know whats it look like, and her default vision are bad boy buff man. Just like sylas.
Its likely fiddlesticks, but I really hope this is a nod towards a nocturne rework
This cannot be fiddle because:
1:Fiddle can not talk to people. He is just like a parrot. He mimicks voices by either remembering the last voices before his victims deaths or by using his powers to see his targets greatest fears which are usually memories of the past. He uses those to strike fear into his prey. But! YOu have to understand hat Fiddlesticks is more like a wild animal than a smart demon. He purely acts out of instinct. he is not smart like the other demons who trick humans and kill them.
2:Fiddlesticks has never posessed humans before but only inanimate objects. He usually just takes whatever he can find and puts it together. At the same time he can possess multiple bodies at once or switches between them since all of Runeterra knows about him and tells tales of him. (if you look at his skins you will see that every skin is from another part of Runeterra)
3: What may be happening here is that this character is being influenced by Fiddlesticks. Maybe this mageseeker is sticking his nose into magic that is closely connected to fiddlesticks and is by being so close to it he is loosing slowly his mind. Maybe fiddlesticks is starting to possess him but that would be kinda weird because he has never done that before.
Bro is mad suspicious
This might be just another Demon Fiddlesticks doesn't really have actual voice
Seems like new char then fiddle tbh...
Okay, grim thought, hear me out. "This skin itches" what if... Fiddlesticks' skeleton is inside the mageseeker after taking his voice. Tahm and Eve have been around Runeterra for awhile thats why they speak normally. Fiddlesticks is older, but more recent to Runeterra so he needed time... what if that time to adjust and improve have come? What if Fiddlesticks how will hide in the corpses of his victims and lure them into a false sense of safety and security? Afterall Fiddlesticks was summoned by a mage what if he is after mages to grow stronger?
If that's fiddle pretending to be a person he's doing a really good job at being an old creepy mage hater
Either fiddlesticks or a void creature
Or another demon
This is definitely Fiddlesticks. The double voices and Fiddle calling Lux “little light” (That’s what Sylas called Lux) just confirms its Fiddlesticks. Even Fiddle saying, “Ah, this skin.. It itches” makes it clear it's Fiddle. This just tells us that Fiddlesticks has evolved even more (in Runeterra) to the point of being able to use human hosts (like Ashlesh for example). Also, the fact he can speak actual sentences instead of mimicking words is just horrifying 😅
Edit: Remember, Fiddlesticks feeds off fear, so it's possible it makes him stronger and maybe even evolves him if possible.
Unless riot updates his lore even further I don't see this fiddlesticks plus he forms sentences far to well now I can see this being nocturne since his thing is nightmares and this is lux dream or it could be another Demon
it souns like fiddle but fiddle cant out right say words . he either has to hear them before , or be the last words of its victim . this is a demon but i dont think its fiddle
I dont think is fiddlesticks because fiddlesticks is not smart enough to talk, he just imitate sounds, but can be a demon.
I wouldn't say hes not smart enough even the most primitive things are pretty damn intelligent but i do agree this isn't him
my bet is another demon
i must be high or something, but i swear i can see above his ribbon on his chest the face of Donald Duck (pink eye, beak on the left and his little hat on the top right...)
Then we can think that the mage that created the demon that control fiddlstick took his body voice and personality?
0:17 yep
probably not fiddle, no im sure its not him, might be a minor demon under fiddle, tho im not sure if a primordial demon like fiddle has minions or minor demons under him, i just assume such cause eve has followers and other demons like him/her/it
Fiddle knows what people fear most. And it would make sense that Lux fears mageseekers. Just sayin'
it feels to subtle for fiddle, fiddle is primal fear this looks like a shty follower of nocturn
fear comes in many forms, ig.
everyone says fiddle...but honestly i think its nocturne, i mean, he is the demon of NIGHTMARES and this is Lux's DREAM, as many said, he speaks too well to be fiddle, who can only speak in words he has heard before, then again, there is still a chance its him, since it does sound more like fiddle in general.
it is still kinda lame to have noct get yet again utterly outclassed by fiddle tho, like, come on fiddle my boi, at least leave him the whole dream thing!
While it is 100% Fiddle I find it weird that it says "darkness awaits" since it's literally a nocturne quote, maybe we'll get a demon archetype with fiddle at the helm and a Nocturne retrain?
Well to be fair Fiddlesticks portfolio is the entirety of fear which includes all the sub types "fear of the darkness" etc.
0:27 What did he mean here?? ☠️☠️☠️
Fiddlesticks can't talk, it can only repeat quotes said by other people and even animal noises. Sure he sounds like Fiddle, but this very important fact about the character should not be overlooked as it debunks that theory.
could be a nocture 2
like lux 2
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i'm not sure if i its fiddle, they seem to be making sentences of their own, while as far as i know, fiddle only talks with other peoples voices. (I may be wrong because its true the tone is similar)
Idk a lot of signs point to fiddlesticks but other signs say that's not compatible with what we know of him. It's really hard to say because there's a ton we don't know about the limitations of these demons.
Awwww man, we need better mentals dude. Stoic powa pls
Does he and fiddle share same voice actor ?
00:28 fiddlesticks you cant say that
I don't think it's fiddle, other lesser demon need to know how to trick people cause they are weaker and are more intelligent, fiddlesticks is so powerful he doesn't need to use any trick or anything he just devour everything on his way for fun and he can't speak that well and he can't use new words he just use the words that the person fear the most and used them recently
Guys. you say its not fiddle since he is poor at mimicing voices, but Riot proved that they can make better reworks in Lor than in Lol like nidalee
I dont think, is a dream and fiddlestick as far as we know only attacks irl, unless he got his hands on some dream juice in lilia garden, but as far as we know he is on demacia
fiddle skin someone again did he
Fiddle can only speak its victims last words this one making decent sentences
no fiddle can mimic words it doesn't have to only be last words he has quoted Lux and characters that aren't his victims
YOOOOOOO
I have to point out he lost his cool with lux and co.
This isn't fiddlesticks on the sole grounds that the Abberant Mageseeker wearing someone's skin and for focusing on the topic of light and darkness.
Fiddlesticks does neither; being a fear demon that harvests people's last breaths and voices.
EDIT: I'd sooner believe this to be a primordial demon of Darkness. Evelyn have implied there are a few demons walking about, but very few actually walking among mortals.
This is just a nightmare, it could be that the fidle is in Lilia's garden corrupting dreams, and in Lilia's card art there are several crows there.
@@ErianaACosta It very well could be, but I'm convinced it is a different demon. If you try listening to both the mageseeker and fiddle's VA you can hear clear differences, the only real similarity being the talking while sucking inn air method of distorting words.
league demons represents only emotions
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0:28 what ?
do I hear the n word?
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please, what is the song in the background?
Demacia Rising
For me, its not Fiddlesticks, it is to, elaborate. This is something Nocturne or a different entity would do
Fiddlesticks is too dumb to do something this elaborate, not dumb in the not smart way, but dumb in it follows primal instinct way
Fiddlesticks will say its targets deepest fears, not because it knows why but because it knows it scares them, then kills them, also im pretty sure it cannot enter dreams doesn’t seem like a Fiddlesticky thing to do
He could be in Lilia's garden corrupting dreams, as her garden is full of crows.