After Hurricane Helene I too ordered a mini for my preparedness kit. For your local community or family group having a tool to generate a wifi network to enable everyone to easily and functionally use it with cell phones they already have is huge. Ham Radio's are ace but most people are not willing to invest or learn how to use them for emergency comms. Starlink just uses wifi devices and ticks the box for me. Great addition!
As you mentioned... Starlink became essential when Hurricane Helene hit North Carolina in late September 2024. It was the only way whole communities cut off from everything - roads gone/Houses vanished in torrential washouts when rivers devastated the area. Ham radio coupled with Starlink became the only way. I'm at 65 degrees north and everyone here is switching including me.
Thanks for this comment. It was hurricane Helene which showed me how/why this technology is important. A regional disaster where infrastructure has collapsed is the perfect use case model for Starlink. Although I wouldn't rely entirely on it, an zlways on HF data network augmented by a backup Starlink station sounds reasonable. Thanks again. 73 Julian oh8stn
Thanks. Sometimes I use AI to generate concept storyboards for upcoming videos. Hopefully, Snapper and I can create this image in real life some day. Thanks for the kindness. 73 Julian oh8stn
I couldnt agree more. The situation dictates which tool to use. I will also deploy my slow but robust asynchronous data modes on HF to keep a “survuval” network going. When I need a face to face teaching me how to strip down the transmission in my car, or render critical aid to an injured person, Starlink might be a much better tool, provided in is still operational. 73 Julian oh8stn
Thank you Julian. I now have Starlink home and am considering the Starlink Mini for travel. I am receiving free starlink service until the first of the year at present, and am very thankful for their consideration after hurricane Milton. Funny how life can make you a "believer" in the need for communications of all sorts. 73, Dave
Great comment. Yeah, I wasn’t a believer until I watched what was happening to Western North Carolina. I had been stationed at Camp Lejeune back in the day, so NC has a place in my heart. Hopefully, tragedy can provide us the context to deploy tools like Starlink and HF radio. Thanks for watching and commenting. It is very much appreciated. 73 Julian oh8stn
@@OH8STN Thank YOU Julian for all of the great coverage/observations/contributions over the years! OBTW, I did pull the plug on the Starlink Mini yesterday. 😉
I'm glad you made this video. I've been wanting the mini since they were announced just for mobile/portable ham radio. I'm not even that active of an operator. NC and TN hurricane proved otherwise invaluable.
The state of Florida deployed over 100 Starlink portables and generators to provide comms to State and county EOC's and directly to some state agency vehicles. The ability to communicate with county, state and federal agencies was instrumental to getting timely damage reports and health and welfare info. The state also deployed over 100 portable generators to gas stations to enable them to pump fuel in the event of power failure. Since banking POS terminals were down in some areas the state jump started the local economy by just gifting everyone 10 gallons of gasoline to all individual recovery efforts to continue after they ran out of gasoline. The state of NC was slow to the party and comms were all but impossible until a shipment of Starlinks arrived 2 days after the disaster. All cell and government communications were destroyed because the landslides ripped out the fiber links for almost all of the cell sites. They did however have one repeater site active on a nearby mountain and hams stepped up to handle comms from some areas. I am planning to order a starlink mini to add to my bug out vehicle. It indeed does change everything 73
@nerdlywehunt Thanks for leaving this comment. I seems we can’t always understand the potential benefit, without context like what you shared. So often we are stuck in one box or another, fearful to see what is outside the box. Your comment makes it clear that we need a few different boxes. Thanks for sharing and 73 Julian oh8stn
Great video - really tempted! Is the router side of things configurable for port-forwarding and are the Starlink system ports open for such things as self-hosted web servers, FTP servers, mail servers etc.? Download speeds impressive, but upload speeds may inhibit full-time use for big video uploads - did I hear 11 Mbit/Sec? Not a deal breaker, but a bit slow for large uploads, especially 4K. Cheers.
This is wonderful to hear coming from you. Sometimes I'm not sure if I'm climbing up the right tree or not. Thanks for the comments, it really solidifies the decision. 73 Julian oh8stn
If you plan to set up a starlink at home permanently, why not get a router with dual WAN? Then it can transparently switch the entire house to starlink if the fiber goes down.
Have you tried a Garmin Mini 2 messenger? It's not Starlink - only for short text messsaging or SOS but the device is 3 oz weight and tiny size, it is small enough to fit in your pocket. There is a small monthly fee, but you can text anyone with a cell phone from your phone or device, and send position reports as well as get weather even if completely off the grid. I carry mine when hiking or boating, but it would also be useful in a regional grid down scenario.
bonus is you can stop and restart the "plan" (for want of a better word), whenever you want. so you could pick up the gear (starlink), when it's on special for the gear, do the first month, then pause the subscription, and activate it again when needed.
I wish I had Starlink right now but it is just too expensive. Workmen with a digger accidentally severed my BT fiber internet cable so I've been without internet all week and am needing to use my phones data to watch this on 360p quality. The only issue with Starlink is if we have some major event like solar flares, EMPs, pole shifts, or wars going on there's potential we could lose satellites or they all go haywire. I think HF radios are always going to be more useful for a major SHTF situation. It will be interesting to see what happens when the Tesla Pi phone comes out. Will we be able to use it as a tether and mobile hot spot using Starlink? Maybe that would work out cheaper than the Starlink system itself or perhaps they have a plan to prevent sharing the connection as a hot spot?
There are risks , especially with the sunspot cycle nearing peak and with the current geopolitical angst . Not much we can do about the latter and even less the former . However , aside from those things beyond our control , Starlink is probably the most robust option available with any kind of useful bandwidth and somewhat affordable cost . It is a proven life saver for non global catastrophes .
I agree about HF radio, especially asynchronous data like JS8Call. The thing is, HF radio needs lots of investment in skills. I always use my wife and best friend as examples. Even if they could setup the equipment, they would not know or understand why the frequency might change between day or night. The wouldn’t understand NVIS, ground wave or sky wave. There are so many variables that we must present options for the advance crew like ourselves, without forgetting about the people who might need a grid down comms solution, without atmospheric physics 101. I’ll never give up my HF radio or asynchronous data comms. Slow and reliable and would’nt change them for the world. Starlink is just an addition tool, even if we don’t use it that often. 73 Julian oh8stn
What's the point of testing "starlink-to-starlink" connectivity in ham context? Its like testing a regular cable internet connection. What's was the goal to proof? In emcom case it will work, i mean it's ground-to sat-to sat -to ground . Why shouldn't it? No obstacles, no trees . Maybe I'm missing the point, but would you please explain it?
Testing Sterlink to Starlink was simply a coincidence. This was more of a demonstration by someone who is a hardened ham radio supporter. He is simply saying 'here's another tool you might want to consider'. The video also went into the difficulty of amateur radio, and learning curve. Someone who has never used an HF radio before, isn't going to just grab that rig and be successful the first time. With this, they have a chance.
I feel like theres this misconception about Starlink, that it is "Off Grid" when in reality, you are still relying on someone else's infrastructure, so it's about as off grid as a cell phone. Is it useful technology? I guess? But so is a cell phone. All this tech does is use a dish instead of a tower. You still have to hope that Space X keeps the project running and continues to allow you to use it.
"Off-grid" typically refers to being off the electrical grid, or at least it used to. Sometimes when people say "off-grid" they really mean "self-sufficient" or "self-reliant," which I believe is what you are describing. Being self-sufficient includes being off-grid, but being off-grid doesn't necessarily mean being self-sufficient.
@@gravijta936 I can see that definition mattering for other devices, but for communications specifically, I figure outside networks required to use a system would be a far more important factor After all, if we are only counting the power grid for the definition of "off grid" then cell phones are off grid, since cell towers have batteries and generators that keep them running when the grid goes down.
There is no mention of Starlink being 'off grid' in this video. Moreover, towards the end of the video, Starlinks dependence on the 'man in the middle' was discussed as one of the downsides. What you might be missing are a few use cases. 1. A regional disaster where local infrastructure has failed. Use Starlink for emergency internet access 2. Used by disaster relief teams for portable, rapid deployment internet. 3. Compared to z cell phone base stations, the base stations orbit 300 miles above the surface of tge Earth, outside the disaster zone. Starlink saved lives during Hurricane Helene: Emergency Internet Access: Starlink, a satellite internet service, deployed hundreds of free devices and provided unlimited data plans to remote areas affected by Hurricane Helene. This enabled communication and access to vital information, such as weather updates, emergency services, and relief efforts. Lifeline for Isolated Communities: Starlink’s satellite-based internet service reached areas with destroyed or damaged infrastructure, providing a critical lifeline for communities cut off from traditional communication networks. This allowed residents to contact loved ones, receive critical updates, and access essential services. Coordination and Response: Starlink’s internet access facilitated coordination between local officials, emergency responders, and relief organizations, enabling more effective response and recovery efforts. This included sharing critical information, such as damage assessments, resource allocation, and evacuation routes. Reduced Risk of Injury or Death: By providing reliable communication, Starlink helped reduce the risk of injury or death due to delayed or miscommunicated information. For example, emergency responders could quickly receive updates on damaged infrastructure, allowing them to prioritize rescue efforts and avoid putting themselves or others at risk.
@@OH8STN @OH8STN Well, Off grid was in the title of the video before just now, but it's fine, I won't mention it if you don't. Also 3:31 if you wanna scrub that as well. Like I've said, I'm not saying the tech isn't useful, I just feel like it's a bit overhyped right now as this perfect offgrid solution ever since Helene. Someone I grew up with is in Ashville, and I'm sure those services helped him. I am just also recognizing that the service has the "man in the middle" issue you mentioned, I just don't trust the fact that only one company provides it, so it leads to issues with a monopoly, similar to issues some parts of the US have with broadband access. And really, for what you get, it's awfully expensive, and thats only gonna get worse until theres competition, and when Space X basically control most of the commercial space flight in America, well, theres a bit of a conflict of interest there if competitors wanna get their satellites up there to launch their own system. Ultimately, even though it's not connected to the electrical grid, it's still kinda hard to call it an offgrid solution when it relies on so much established infrastructure. It's just a different type of infrastructure.
@knightshousegames so you start by calling me a liar, then referencing one of my off-grid camper trips in lapland, completely out of context, as "proof". OK 🤣 Here's the cold hard truth. How you "Feel" doesn't constitute reality! You made some good points, but let your emotions ruin what would have been an objective discussion. Why not redeem yourself by suggesting for us a cost effective emergency internet alternative for rural communities where communications infrastructure has been destroyed by a natural disaster? We'll wait for your reply.
I have used starlink at 90 degrees north and got 250+ MBps download speeds - satellite coverage there is NOT an issue and you dont need many because there aren’t alot of users up there….
I’m looking to do a diy version of the starbatt mini a grab and go kit to store and power the star link mini. There is not a lot of information on the starbatt mini website but my question is would it be better to run the star link mini off a 24 volt 100 amph or a 12 volt 100 amp h battery?
I have a Gen 2 Starlink and here at 45 deg N our speeds aren't any better than yours, but we do have about half the latency that you do, which isn't that surprising. Still, your numbers aren't bad, all things considered. I'd certainly take that in an emergency. Or just camping. :)
Thanks for letting me know. Yeah these numbers are better than the DSL we had 5-10 years ago. so no complaints. Winter is here, so perhaps it is time to take it out for an overnight in the cold. 73 Julian oh8stn
I’ve read you can “pause” starlink via only satellites. Do you think it’s feasible to have a starlink powered on so it can still do firmware updates but on pause Then if an emergency happened unpause it?
I'm not sure about the firmware updates while it's paused. As soon as my starlink connected to a satellite, this was during the activation process, the firmware was updated first. Anyway, it's a great question but I don't know the answer. The pause feature is accurate and I'm using it already 73 Julian oh8stn
@@OH8STNI can confirm you can do firmwares updates while it's paused. I have a Starlink V2 with roam service which I use in off-grid camping (areas without cell service) and power it every 2-3 months on my house to get it updated. I can also confirm you can unpause it without problems only via satellite. The last time I used it, I went to a location where I didn't know if was cell service, so I did not unpause it at my home. When I arrived I confirmed no cell service onsite, so I developed the Starlink, it downloaded a firmware upload, and about 10min later I unpaused it and got internet connectivity. I can't wait to get the Mini here in Chile. I will sold my V2 kit because the Mini so much portable and power efficient! Greetings de CE3VRT
“Not replacing ham radio but augmenting its capabilities”. Right. Starlink is a paid subscription service. In the US, that starts at about $120/month (mobile is somewhat cheaper but lacks baseline functionality). That’s a hefty subscription fee. Comparing amateur radio to Starlink is inappropriate since as hams we don’t have that sort of funding, nor does it cost us a subscription fee.
@pmadams65 You quoted what I said in the video, then ignore it with your analysis.. Bullet points: 1. Winlink - Augmenting ham radio for those of us using Ham Radio for disaster preparedness. For example, using Starlink as an internet gateway for my Winlink BBS. This means emergency stations can still send and receive email, even when the grid is down regionally. 2. Price - For hurricane Helene, Starlink waved the monthly charge which isn’t that bad anyway. I purchased the hardware for $349. The monthly is about $40, but only needs to be activated when Starlink is used. This is the price for Starlink Mini, which has the same connection functionality as Gen 3, minus the router and current consumption. On the Mini, the router and Wi-Fi AP are built into the enclosure. Under $500 for emergency internet doesn’t sound that bad to me. 3. HF Radio - I do not compare Starlink with HF Radio. As I said, it is an additional tool in the tool box. I generally prefer to keep JS8Call and Winlink up and running 24/7/365, whether or not there is an emergency. Unlike Starlink, HF Radio is not going to let me dial directly into anybody with an internet connection (outside the disaster area) like Starlink can. 4. A non technical person with no radio experience has almost zero chance of making use of HF radio in a grid down scenario. We train for years to build core skills, then continue practising, to maintain and improve those skills. Starlink requires you to throw the dish on the ground, point it north, then connect to a Wi-Fi network. Your emergency internet is now ready to go. 5 Triggered complaining - Rather than complaining about the capabilities shown in this video, why not provide us an alternative which provides the same functionality as demonstrated in this video, and at a similar cost? This would be more helpful! Finally, it is perfectly ok to disagree with how I use and augment my communications strategy with Starlink. No one will hold a gun to your head and make you do what I do. Moreover, you shouldn't be so narrow minded about someone presenting an unconventional solution. Hurricane Helene showed us how useful Starlink can be.
@ I’ve enjoyed your channel(s) for years and always learn something new from them. I wasn’t complaining about the capabilities of Starlink; its usefulness is well known. In point of fact, I wasn’t complaining about anything. I was pointing out that Starlink is typically a rather expensive service whereas amateur radio has no subscription fees.
Indeed yes. This is what Mark was doing in the video. He was using his iPhone. The Starlink just creates a Wi-Fi connection for your phone or tablet or computer to connect to. 👍
Getting satellites into higher latiude orbits is expensive. You need high latitude launch sites and don't have the advantage of using the earth's rotation to reduce the fuel on launch.
Probably not. However, there are so many of them moving across the sky, an EMP would take out those within line of sight, but thousands more would remain unaffected.
Julian, as you know, a radio transmitter makes an excellent artillery magnet. From an OPSEC point of view, do you have any concerns about a serialized device that instantly pops up your identity and location at multiple Starlink operational centers around the world? DE WA1KLI
I do! 6 and 12 gigahertz stand out like a sore thumb. I've seen the videos of them being targeted in Ukraine. I see this as a natural disaster type tool. I wouldn't deploy it anywhere where it could get me deleted. 73 Julian oh8stn
We are ham radio operators, not military soldier's... By the way, Ham radio gets prohibited right away on almost every country involved on a military conflict... So is not totally safe to transmit on a war context anyway...
I'm way behind the curve in the digital radio realm. I'm guessing that's going to change when I get the book. Having all kinds of problems getting started with JS8 on my KX2. I'm sure it's something simple. Long in the tooth but still looking to continue to learn.
I saw your email but I haven't had a chance to reply yet. I've been working for about 2:00 in the morning till about 9:00 at night. That error you wrote me about is just telling you that the software can't communicate with your radio. There's two options if you can't get it to work. The first one is to just not use cat control. Because that error is related to communication between your radio and your software. So just change the frequency yourself. The other option is to figure out which one of those settings is wrong. I don't have a kx2 here so it's difficult to figure out which one is the culprit.
By the way there's more than one book coming out. The one you'll probably be most interested in is grid down data Communications. That's an entire book on data Communications.
@dougdaniels okay here's a couple of things to check. Baud rate, other com port settings eg 8-N-1, software used for CAT control (fldigi is troublesome) I prefer omnirig. Hoping this helps.
Starlink is for sure exceptional for off grid, but in a grid down event the internet itself will it really work? If telegram’s servers are down telegram won’t work, same for mail, dns, etc So even if the starlink network will work probably all the different ways to communicate over the internet won’t work or the will suffer massive disruption An incredible tool but radio is still the main tool in a grid down event
For a widespread grit down event, I wouldn't use starlink. For a widespread massive event like that, I would rely on robust and reliable HF radio. But as we've recently seen in Hurricane helene, the internet wasn't down for example 100 Mi away, it was only down in the local affected area. In that case, people in the affected area needed to reach Beyond line of sight to where the internet was working the best way to do that, was with satellite. Regarding the cost, once you have the Starlink hardware, there is no monthly charge until you activate it. Compared to the price of a HF radio, starlink is quite reasonably priced.
My fatbike is a GZR Raw 2019. It's a Chinese copy of a Swedish copy of a, ... I'm planning some winter outings on the bike. Just waiting on the final version of my rigid contacts.
Thanks, Julian. I'm trying to decide between a fat bike or a Rokon. The Rokon is gas, though. That's the bad thing.But it will go anywhere, and it can up to 2500 lbs. Thanks again
@@garytedlock7533 No problem Gary. If I were doing it again, I would probably get a 29er Fat bike. More narrow wheels means going further on the same battery assist. As I have a fat bike already, the idea of adding a gas or diesel powered quad bike to my inventory is quite attractive. Some I can use to carry wood to the cabin, the harvest back honme or to the cabin, or just move greater distances with little effort. My fat bike will always be part of my gear. It provides an easy to charge and maintain method of transportation useful in a grid down or fair saving money when energy prices are high.
Unfortunately I cannot afford the initial cost of this system not to mention the monthly fees. However I cannot afford to be off line either. I am Paying the same fees for service which is both internet as well as telephony which is now basically VoIP since the modem has a pair to pots line outputs which serve for landline as well as internet service. The telco provider has serious issues with backup power to the DSLAMS that provide the fiber to copper translation. When the electric company looses power the translators shut down since they require power to operate. They are equipped with a UPS system but the telco provider has not provided batteries for the system to work properly. Still waiting for a bit over a year for the fiber instal. Even received a Nokia fiber to Ethernet interface but it’s just sitting around gathering dust.
Understood. Price is slowly coming down. Monthly ax well. If you use it simply for disaster comms, you can keep it deactivated, then started up once the disaster starts. Even if the internet is down the dish still has connection with SpaceX servers.
Since star link is in Leo does that mean if a few are destroyed it will set off a chain reaction and all the debris crashes into all the other satellites and makes it near impossible to leave Earth again for a while, ya?
After Hurricane Helene I too ordered a mini for my preparedness kit. For your local community or family group having a tool to generate a wifi network to enable everyone to easily and functionally use it with cell phones they already have is huge. Ham Radio's are ace but most people are not willing to invest or learn how to use them for emergency comms. Starlink just uses wifi devices and ticks the box for me. Great addition!
What a treat to find a new video from Julian today!
Apologies for them coming so irregularly. All my energy is going into the books. 🙏
As you mentioned... Starlink became essential when Hurricane Helene hit North Carolina in late September 2024. It was the only way whole communities cut off from everything - roads gone/Houses vanished in torrential washouts when rivers devastated the area. Ham radio coupled with Starlink became the only way. I'm at 65 degrees north and everyone here is switching including me.
Thanks for this comment.
It was hurricane Helene which showed me how/why this technology is important. A regional disaster where infrastructure has collapsed is the perfect use case model for Starlink.
Although I wouldn't rely entirely on it, an zlways on HF data network augmented by a backup Starlink station sounds reasonable.
Thanks again.
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Starlink entered the Internet provider market in Kenya last year. I brought my mini over to Uganda and get excellent coverage.
I like the tent photo with the dog
Thanks. Sometimes I use AI to generate concept storyboards for upcoming videos. Hopefully, Snapper and I can create this image in real life some day.
Thanks for the kindness.
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Thanks for sharing the starlink to this community. I love mine and I find it to be an incredible resource
Nice video again. Indeed a nice additional tool but with less ham challenge, but hey it really depends in what situation one is. Keep up rolling.
I couldnt agree more. The situation dictates which tool to use. I will also deploy my slow but robust asynchronous data modes on HF to keep a “survuval” network going. When I need a face to face teaching me how to strip down the transmission in my car, or render critical aid to an injured person, Starlink might be a much better tool, provided in is still operational.
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Another great video Julian.
Thanks, much appreciated.
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Hey Julian another great piece of content. You're the GOAT for all the testing you do.
Julian, got the starlink up and running. Using the 65w usb c charger run off my 13.8v lipo battery. Got a usb c cable that connects to starlink unit
Outstanding 👍
Great video. Very informational. Thank you.
You are very welcome 🙏
Thank you Julian. I now have Starlink home and am considering the Starlink Mini for travel. I am receiving free starlink service until the first of the year at present, and am very thankful for their consideration after hurricane Milton. Funny how life can make you a "believer" in the need for communications of all sorts. 73, Dave
Great comment.
Yeah, I wasn’t a believer until I watched what was happening to Western North Carolina. I had been stationed at Camp Lejeune back in the day, so NC has a place in my heart. Hopefully, tragedy can provide us the context to deploy tools like Starlink and HF radio.
Thanks for watching and commenting. It is very much appreciated.
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@@OH8STN Thank YOU Julian for all of the great coverage/observations/contributions over the years! OBTW, I did pull the plug on the Starlink Mini yesterday. 😉
@oldgeekster1 Outstanding and you're very welcome. I've got much more incoming, so stay tuned 👍
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I'm glad you made this video. I've been wanting the mini since they were announced just for mobile/portable ham radio. I'm not even that active of an operator.
NC and TN hurricane proved otherwise invaluable.
The state of Florida deployed over 100 Starlink portables and generators to provide comms to State and county EOC's and directly to some state agency vehicles. The ability to communicate with county, state and federal agencies was instrumental to getting timely damage reports and health and welfare info. The state also deployed over 100 portable generators to gas stations to enable them to pump fuel in the event of power failure. Since banking POS terminals were down in some areas the state jump started the local economy by just gifting everyone 10 gallons of gasoline to all individual recovery efforts to continue after they ran out of gasoline.
The state of NC was slow to the party and comms were all but impossible until a shipment of Starlinks arrived 2 days after the disaster. All cell and government communications were destroyed because the landslides ripped out the fiber links for almost all of the cell sites. They did however have one repeater site active on a nearby mountain and hams stepped up to handle comms from some areas.
I am planning to order a starlink mini to add to my bug out vehicle. It indeed does change everything
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@nerdlywehunt Thanks for leaving this comment. I seems we can’t always understand the potential benefit, without context like what you shared.
So often we are stuck in one box or another, fearful to see what is outside the box. Your comment makes it clear that we need a few different boxes.
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Excellant
Thanks. Performance was actually quite surprising.
Thanks for watching and commenting.
Great video - really tempted! Is the router side of things configurable for port-forwarding and are the Starlink system ports open for such things as self-hosted web servers, FTP servers, mail servers etc.? Download speeds impressive, but upload speeds may inhibit full-time use for big video uploads - did I hear 11 Mbit/Sec? Not a deal breaker, but a bit slow for large uploads, especially 4K. Cheers.
I have been considering getting a mini for the same reasons as you did.
This is wonderful to hear coming from you. Sometimes I'm not sure if I'm climbing up the right tree or not. Thanks for the comments, it really solidifies the decision.
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@@OH8STN ordered
I'm pretty excited for your pursuits even if I'm only at 46 Degrees North 🎉
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If you plan to set up a starlink at home permanently, why not get a router with dual WAN? Then it can transparently switch the entire house to starlink if the fiber goes down.
That's a great point!
This comment taught me something today :)
Thanks for added method. I will look into StarLink, maybe replace xfinity/internet link? Thanks for your info.
Have you tried a Garmin Mini 2 messenger? It's not Starlink - only for short text messsaging or SOS but the device is 3 oz weight and tiny size, it is small enough to fit in your pocket. There is a small monthly fee, but you can text anyone with a cell phone from your phone or device, and send position reports as well as get weather even if completely off the grid. I carry mine when hiking or boating, but it would also be useful in a regional grid down scenario.
You best have a stack of LFPs, even a mini burns a lot of power. I run a Gen 3 with a 460AH.
Indeed. 40 watts during start up. 17 watts when connected. Mini seems more efficient.
@@OH8STN I just converted the Gen 3 to 12V. That should help a bit, not losing power going pack and forth with the inverter. We'll see.
Also, please in the future mention how your ebike is holding up off grid in cold climates and how you keep everything charged to efficiency.
Julian, you seem to have changed from a Surface to an iPad Pro. Would you please explain your reasons for the change. Thanks, Chris
I use the iPad Pro M4 for blogging, book writing, and video editing. The Microsoft Surface is still the best option for portable Ham Radio Data modes.
Any idea on when the paper copy of your book will be available? Thanks for all you and the community do.
Thanks 🙏
Shooting for a paperback release around the new year couple of months after that the audiobook version.
bonus is you can stop and restart the "plan" (for want of a better word), whenever you want.
so you could pick up the gear (starlink), when it's on special for the gear, do the first month, then pause the subscription, and activate it again when needed.
I wish I had Starlink right now but it is just too expensive. Workmen with a digger accidentally severed my BT fiber internet cable so I've been without internet all week and am needing to use my phones data to watch this on 360p quality. The only issue with Starlink is if we have some major event like solar flares, EMPs, pole shifts, or wars going on there's potential we could lose satellites or they all go haywire. I think HF radios are always going to be more useful for a major SHTF situation. It will be interesting to see what happens when the Tesla Pi phone comes out. Will we be able to use it as a tether and mobile hot spot using Starlink? Maybe that would work out cheaper than the Starlink system itself or perhaps they have a plan to prevent sharing the connection as a hot spot?
There are risks , especially with the sunspot cycle nearing peak and with the current geopolitical angst .
Not much we can do about the latter and even less the former .
However , aside from those things beyond our control , Starlink is probably the most robust option available with any kind of useful bandwidth and somewhat affordable cost . It is a proven life saver for non global catastrophes .
I agree about HF radio, especially asynchronous data like JS8Call. The thing is, HF radio needs lots of investment in skills. I always use my wife and best friend as examples. Even if they could setup the equipment, they would not know or understand why the frequency might change between day or night. The wouldn’t understand NVIS, ground wave or sky wave. There are so many variables that we must present options for the advance crew like ourselves, without forgetting about the people who might need a grid down comms solution, without atmospheric physics 101.
I’ll never give up my HF radio or asynchronous data comms. Slow and reliable and would’nt change them for the world. Starlink is just an addition tool, even if we don’t use it that often.
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A satellite is basically a space hardened repeater for the most part anyway
Would be interesting to use the starlink to report WSPR signals out in the middle of nowhere
What's the point of testing "starlink-to-starlink" connectivity in ham context?
Its like testing a regular cable internet connection.
What's was the goal to proof?
In emcom case it will work, i mean it's ground-to sat-to sat -to ground .
Why shouldn't it? No obstacles, no trees .
Maybe I'm missing the point, but would you please explain it?
Testing Sterlink to Starlink was simply a coincidence. This was more of a demonstration by someone who is a hardened ham radio supporter. He is simply saying 'here's another tool you might want to consider'.
The video also went into the difficulty of amateur radio, and learning curve. Someone who has never used an HF radio before, isn't going to just grab that rig and be successful the first time. With this, they have a chance.
@@OH8STN ok, i see , thanks
I feel like theres this misconception about Starlink, that it is "Off Grid" when in reality, you are still relying on someone else's infrastructure, so it's about as off grid as a cell phone.
Is it useful technology? I guess? But so is a cell phone. All this tech does is use a dish instead of a tower. You still have to hope that Space X keeps the project running and continues to allow you to use it.
"Off-grid" typically refers to being off the electrical grid, or at least it used to. Sometimes when people say "off-grid" they really mean "self-sufficient" or "self-reliant," which I believe is what you are describing. Being self-sufficient includes being off-grid, but being off-grid doesn't necessarily mean being self-sufficient.
@@gravijta936 I can see that definition mattering for other devices, but for communications specifically, I figure outside networks required to use a system would be a far more important factor
After all, if we are only counting the power grid for the definition of "off grid" then cell phones are off grid, since cell towers have batteries and generators that keep them running when the grid goes down.
There is no mention of Starlink being 'off grid' in this video. Moreover, towards the end of the video, Starlinks dependence on the 'man in the middle' was discussed as one of the downsides. What you might be missing are a few use cases.
1. A regional disaster where local infrastructure has failed. Use Starlink for emergency internet access
2. Used by disaster relief teams for portable, rapid deployment internet.
3. Compared to z cell phone base stations, the base stations orbit 300 miles above the surface of tge Earth, outside the disaster zone.
Starlink saved lives during Hurricane Helene:
Emergency Internet Access: Starlink, a satellite internet service, deployed hundreds of free devices and provided unlimited data plans to remote areas affected by Hurricane Helene. This enabled communication and access to vital information, such as weather updates, emergency services, and relief efforts.
Lifeline for Isolated Communities: Starlink’s satellite-based internet service reached areas with destroyed or damaged infrastructure, providing a critical lifeline for communities cut off from traditional communication networks. This allowed residents to contact loved ones, receive critical updates, and access essential services.
Coordination and Response: Starlink’s internet access facilitated coordination between local officials, emergency responders, and relief organizations, enabling more effective response and recovery efforts. This included sharing critical information, such as damage assessments, resource allocation, and evacuation routes.
Reduced Risk of Injury or Death: By providing reliable communication, Starlink helped reduce the risk of injury or death due to delayed or miscommunicated information. For example, emergency responders could quickly receive updates on damaged infrastructure, allowing them to prioritize rescue efforts and avoid putting themselves or others at risk.
@@OH8STN @OH8STN Well, Off grid was in the title of the video before just now, but it's fine, I won't mention it if you don't. Also 3:31 if you wanna scrub that as well.
Like I've said, I'm not saying the tech isn't useful, I just feel like it's a bit overhyped right now as this perfect offgrid solution ever since Helene. Someone I grew up with is in Ashville, and I'm sure those services helped him.
I am just also recognizing that the service has the "man in the middle" issue you mentioned, I just don't trust the fact that only one company provides it, so it leads to issues with a monopoly, similar to issues some parts of the US have with broadband access. And really, for what you get, it's awfully expensive, and thats only gonna get worse until theres competition, and when Space X basically control most of the commercial space flight in America, well, theres a bit of a conflict of interest there if competitors wanna get their satellites up there to launch their own system.
Ultimately, even though it's not connected to the electrical grid, it's still kinda hard to call it an offgrid solution when it relies on so much established infrastructure. It's just a different type of infrastructure.
@knightshousegames so you start by calling me a liar, then referencing one of my off-grid camper trips in lapland, completely out of context, as "proof". OK 🤣
Here's the cold hard truth. How you "Feel" doesn't constitute reality! You made some good points, but let your emotions ruin what would have been an objective discussion. Why not redeem yourself by suggesting for us a cost effective emergency internet alternative for rural communities where communications infrastructure has been destroyed by a natural disaster?
We'll wait for your reply.
I have used starlink at 90 degrees north and got 250+ MBps download speeds - satellite coverage there is NOT an issue and you dont need many because there aren’t alot of users up there….
Well said! 🙏👍
I’m looking to do a diy version of the starbatt mini a grab and go kit to store and power the star link mini. There is not a lot of information on the starbatt mini website but my question is would it be better to run the star link mini off a 24 volt 100 amph or a 12 volt 100 amp h battery?
I have a Gen 2 Starlink and here at 45 deg N our speeds aren't any better than yours, but we do have about half the latency that you do, which isn't that surprising. Still, your numbers aren't bad, all things considered. I'd certainly take that in an emergency. Or just camping. :)
Thanks for letting me know. Yeah these numbers are better than the DSL we had 5-10 years ago. so no complaints.
Winter is here, so perhaps it is time to take it out for an overnight in the cold.
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I just wish the monthly wasn't so expensive. $50 a month for 50GB. It adds up quick.
Agreed 💯
Hello Julien, what Anker battery you are using?
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Anker Prime 250w. I'll add links after a nap. I'm 19 hours into my day.
@@OH8STN thank you. I already have a mini. Today made PowerPole cables for it to use with LiFePo battery. 73.
I would love your thoughts on the tesla phone via-starlink.
I would pull the trigger on one if it was available here. The Apple iPhone also has satellite messagng capabilities now. This is good forward motion.
Can you send link for power bank? Also what adapter goes between power bank and starlink?
I'll drop all the links in the AM. 👍
Some Starlinks run NS and EW
I’ve read you can “pause” starlink via only satellites. Do you think it’s feasible to have a starlink powered on so it can still do firmware updates but on pause Then if an emergency happened unpause it?
I'm not sure about the firmware updates while it's paused. As soon as my starlink connected to a satellite, this was during the activation process, the firmware was updated first. Anyway, it's a great question but I don't know the answer. The pause feature is accurate and I'm using it already
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I’ve read it does do updates while paused so theoretically it should work.
@@OH8STNI can confirm you can do firmwares updates while it's paused. I have a Starlink V2 with roam service which I use in off-grid camping (areas without cell service) and power it every 2-3 months on my house to get it updated. I can also confirm you can unpause it without problems only via satellite. The last time I used it, I went to a location where I didn't know if was cell service, so I did not unpause it at my home. When I arrived I confirmed no cell service onsite, so I developed the Starlink, it downloaded a firmware upload, and about 10min later I unpaused it and got internet connectivity. I can't wait to get the Mini here in Chile. I will sold my V2 kit because the Mini so much portable and power efficient! Greetings de CE3VRT
“Not replacing ham radio but augmenting its capabilities”. Right. Starlink is a paid subscription service. In the US, that starts at about $120/month (mobile is somewhat cheaper but lacks baseline functionality). That’s a hefty subscription fee. Comparing amateur radio to Starlink is inappropriate since as hams we don’t have that sort of funding, nor does it cost us a subscription fee.
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You quoted what I said in the video, then ignore it with your analysis..
Bullet points:
1. Winlink - Augmenting ham radio for those of us using Ham Radio for disaster preparedness. For example, using Starlink as an internet gateway for my Winlink BBS. This means emergency stations can still send and receive email, even when the grid is down regionally.
2. Price - For hurricane Helene, Starlink waved the monthly charge which isn’t that bad anyway. I purchased the hardware for $349. The monthly is about $40, but only needs to be activated when Starlink is used. This is the price for Starlink Mini, which has the same connection functionality as Gen 3, minus the router and current consumption. On the Mini, the router and Wi-Fi AP are built into the enclosure. Under $500 for emergency internet doesn’t sound that bad to me.
3. HF Radio - I do not compare Starlink with HF Radio. As I said, it is an additional tool in the tool box. I generally prefer to keep JS8Call and Winlink up and running 24/7/365, whether or not there is an emergency. Unlike Starlink, HF Radio is not going to let me dial directly into anybody with an internet connection (outside the disaster area) like Starlink can.
4. A non technical person with no radio experience has almost zero chance of making use of HF radio in a grid down scenario. We train for years to build core skills, then continue practising, to maintain and improve those skills. Starlink requires you to throw the dish on the ground, point it north, then connect to a Wi-Fi network. Your emergency internet is now ready to go.
5 Triggered complaining - Rather than complaining about the capabilities shown in this video, why not provide us an alternative which provides the same functionality as demonstrated in this video, and at a similar cost? This would be more helpful!
Finally, it is perfectly ok to disagree with how I use and augment my communications strategy with Starlink. No one will hold a gun to your head and make you do what I do. Moreover, you shouldn't be so narrow minded about someone presenting an unconventional solution. Hurricane Helene showed us how useful Starlink can be.
@ I’ve enjoyed your channel(s) for years and always learn something new from them. I wasn’t complaining about the capabilities of Starlink; its usefulness is well known. In point of fact, I wasn’t complaining about anything. I was pointing out that Starlink is typically a rather expensive service whereas amateur radio has no subscription fees.
Does the Starlink app work on Phone. Could I simply connect my phone to the Starlink mini?
Indeed yes. This is what Mark was doing in the video. He was using his iPhone. The Starlink just creates a Wi-Fi connection for your phone or tablet or computer to connect to. 👍
I am thinking of ways to enhance my ham radio by leveraging the starlink
Same here. Hoping to run the Winlink bms via starlink.
Getting satellites into higher latiude orbits is expensive. You need high latitude launch sites and don't have the advantage of using the earth's rotation to reduce the fuel on launch.
It is a good thing we have the falcon 9.
@@OH8STN It will still cost more per item to get the orbits above 65 degrees. Unless the Russians let them be launched from Plesetsk.
@braidybecket8946 Elon has already discussed additional starlink sats for polar regions. Anyway, it's working extremely well so far.
Are starlink satellites emp hardened.
Probably not. However, there are so many of them moving across the sky, an EMP would take out those within line of sight, but thousands more would remain unaffected.
Julian, as you know, a radio transmitter makes an excellent artillery magnet. From an OPSEC point of view, do you have any concerns about a serialized device that instantly pops up your identity and location at multiple Starlink operational centers around the world? DE WA1KLI
I do! 6 and 12 gigahertz stand out like a sore thumb. I've seen the videos of them being targeted in Ukraine. I see this as a natural disaster type tool. I wouldn't deploy it anywhere where it could get me deleted.
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We are ham radio operators, not military soldier's... By the way, Ham radio gets prohibited right away on almost every country involved on a military conflict... So is not totally safe to transmit on a war context anyway...
Just run it remotely.
I'm way behind the curve in the digital radio realm. I'm guessing that's going to change when I get the book. Having all kinds of problems getting started with JS8 on my KX2. I'm sure it's something simple. Long in the tooth but still looking to continue to learn.
I saw your email but I haven't had a chance to reply yet. I've been working for about 2:00 in the morning till about 9:00 at night. That error you wrote me about is just telling you that the software can't communicate with your radio. There's two options if you can't get it to work. The first one is to just not use cat control. Because that error is related to communication between your radio and your software. So just change the frequency yourself. The other option is to figure out which one of those settings is wrong. I don't have a kx2 here so it's difficult to figure out which one is the culprit.
By the way there's more than one book coming out. The one you'll probably be most interested in is grid down data Communications. That's an entire book on data Communications.
@@OH8STN No sweat, I know you're busy! I thought about not using CAT control, and I might short term, but I have to know the answer.
@@OH8STN Can't wait!!
@dougdaniels okay here's a couple of things to check. Baud rate, other com port settings eg 8-N-1, software used for CAT control (fldigi is troublesome) I prefer omnirig.
Hoping this helps.
Starlink is for sure exceptional for off grid, but in a grid down event the internet itself will it really work? If telegram’s servers are down telegram won’t work, same for mail, dns, etc
So even if the starlink network will work probably all the different ways to communicate over the internet won’t work or the will suffer massive disruption
An incredible tool but radio is still the main tool in a grid down event
For a widespread grit down event, I wouldn't use starlink. For a widespread massive event like that, I would rely on robust and reliable HF radio. But as we've recently seen in Hurricane helene, the internet wasn't down for example 100 Mi away, it was only down in the local affected area. In that case, people in the affected area needed to reach Beyond line of sight to where the internet was working the best way to do that, was with satellite.
Regarding the cost, once you have the Starlink hardware, there is no monthly charge until you activate it. Compared to the price of a HF radio, starlink is quite reasonably priced.
Julian, This question has nothing to do with Starlink, So what company made your fat bike and did you ever make a video about it ? Thanks KD9WTH Gary
My fatbike is a GZR Raw 2019. It's a Chinese copy of a Swedish copy of a, ...
I'm planning some winter outings on the bike. Just waiting on the final version of my rigid contacts.
Thanks, Julian. I'm trying to decide between a fat bike or a Rokon. The Rokon is gas, though. That's the bad thing.But it will go anywhere, and it can up to 2500 lbs. Thanks again
@@garytedlock7533 No problem Gary. If I were doing it again, I would probably get a 29er Fat bike. More narrow wheels means going further on the same battery assist. As I have a fat bike already, the idea of adding a gas or diesel powered quad bike to my inventory is quite attractive. Some I can use to carry wood to the cabin, the harvest back honme or to the cabin, or just move greater distances with little effort. My fat bike will always be part of my gear. It provides an easy to charge and maintain method of transportation useful in a grid down or fair saving money when energy prices are high.
@@OH8STN Rokon is not a quad. It's a 2 wheel ,2 wheel drive
ROKON
Unfortunately I cannot afford the initial cost of this system not to mention the monthly fees. However I cannot afford to be off line either. I am Paying the same fees for service which is both internet as well as telephony which is now basically VoIP since the modem has a pair to pots line outputs which serve for landline as well as internet service. The telco provider has serious issues with backup power to the DSLAMS that provide the fiber to copper translation. When the electric company looses power the translators shut down since they require power to operate. They are equipped with a UPS system but the telco provider has not provided batteries for the system to work properly. Still waiting for a bit over a year for the fiber instal. Even received a Nokia fiber to Ethernet interface but it’s just sitting around gathering dust.
Understood. Price is slowly coming down. Monthly ax well. If you use it simply for disaster comms, you can keep it deactivated, then started up once the disaster starts. Even if the internet is down the dish still has connection with SpaceX servers.
Who is this guy? Where is Julian? 🤓
Ha ha... Where are his glasses?
Since star link is in Leo does that mean if a few are destroyed it will set off a chain reaction and all the debris crashes into all the other satellites and makes it near impossible to leave Earth again for a while, ya?
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I've got a Hayes Smartmodem 1200 baud if you have a wired phone line...