Surprised more people aren't talking about this shoe! // SAUCONY KINVARA PRO REVIEW // Ginger Runner
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I know the Saucony Kinvara Pros have been on the market for a number of months, but I found my review lurking in old harddrives and forgot to talk-up how much joy they gave me! What are YOUR thoughts?
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While I know the Saucony Kinvara Pro has been on the market for awhile, I'm surprised it hasn't been touted more often - it's a SUPER fun shoe that gives me a lot of the same joy the original Kinvara brought with some spiciness of the Endorphin series thrown in. What are YOUR thoughts?
Isn't the stack too high for legal racing shoes? Maybe that's why people aren't talking about it because you can't legally run in it and it's just a trainer
@@PatrickStar-km1dmillegal, if you’re a pro
I think the biggest reasons people aren't especially psyched on the Kinvara Pro is due the price, the fact it's called Kinvara but isn't anything like the recent iterations of that well known series, and the mere existence of the Endorphin Speed line as very highly-regarded "super trainers" from Saucony. Just seems a weird move to introduce this shoe, at this price.
$94...
I quit running in Kinvara for the same reasons. After trying Hoka (not durable) and also New Balance, I’m actually in love with Topo. Specifically, the Atmos.
Hi.
New Balance fan due to 2E brick like foot-Atmos has been an excellent shoe in the line up (supplying NB with days off). Also a fan of their trail shoes.
I ran my Kinvara 5s in to the ground I loved them so much and haven't ever found a shoe that feels the same.
Me too! Why did they change them? Have never found another Kinvara like it. I will give these a try though.
Kinvara 3's were my favorite, and I stuck with them until v11 and have now moved over to Hoka Clifton's for my daily shoe. If they remade v3, but with a more durable upper I'd be all in
I have almost 300 miles on mine. They are holding up pretty well. I feel like they didn’t break in until I had 75-100 miles on them.
Thank you very much for your review. This shoe has been on my radar since before it was released, but it has been so polarizing between the few people who have actually released a review on it that I have been on the fence about getting it. I love the Endorphin Speed 3 and 4. I've also been wanting to try out a carbon plated shoe for a long time, and I felt like this would be a good entry-level super shoe. I was getting really close to ordering a pair just a couple of hours before this review dropped, and it has definitely helped push me over that ledge.
Endorphin Pro 3 is a really well rounded Carbon Plate shoe. If you like the speed 3 and 4 I think you'll enjoy the EP3. It's a lot more fun than the Speed imo. I think the speed 3 is a bit boring for me personally being a mid-forefoot striker. It rolls and pops through really well from the heel but to do that makes me change the way I run.
The biggest problem w/ this shoe besides price is its below avg durability. The exposed outsole means this shoe will polish itself bald before 200mi. Sure the midsole might still be getting better & better after every run, but that point is moot if the exposed outsole goes smooth prematurely. A bald shoe is useless on damp/slick roads & packed trails. And for heavy abrasion runners like D.o.R it'll go bald by 60mi - by 100mi the shoe was cooked & caused a knee injury. We KNOW how poorly exposed "rubberized" EVA lasts. Older Hokas proved this time & time again. Hoka was soundly panned for their below avg durability and rightly so.
I had the Kinvara Pro for a little while, but I found it to be heavy, firm and clunky, and not soft or bouncy as i was expecting them to be. The Speed 4 however is much better for a daily training shoe - light and nimble with just enough cushion and bounce for longer runs.
If you look at the saucony site, they classify endorphin speed 4 as a slower trainer than the kinvara pro.
One of the most underrated shoes going.
I have always loved the look of the Kinvara.
Best shoe ever had. Use for training and used for Ironman. Light, strong, cushioned, fast!
Good review! I'm personally not a fan of no rubber on the bottom and the mixed reviews have made me hesitate. The people who do like it seem to use it like a supertrainer for half and full marathons...like long runs of 10+ miles. Maybe if I can try it on in a store (assuming I like it) and then wait for it to go on a little sale, I'll get it.
Kinvara 11 is the goat!
I discovered the kinvara with the 13 and loved that shoe. Exactly what I wanted and I ran the Leeds marathon with my pair last year. I hear what you're saying but to me saucony is already filling that high stack niche elsewhere, I'm just sad and disappointed there are no low stack low drop shoes like the kinvara 13 anymore. I've tried topo but too soft and unstable for me. Currently in brooks hyperion and ok so far but drop is too high. Why are all manufacturers making high stack shoes??? Oh and tried altra but so heavy... oh and I'm a light runner (61kg) and mid/fore foot striker, i just don't need or want all that cushion.
I had the green version of this shoe! I enjoyed it but ultimately ended up getting rid of it and getting the super blast and havent looked back. I feel like the superblast does everything this does, and a bit more, but also does it better. The super blast is also WAY lighter than the Kinvara pro. Yes the superblast is 20 bucks more. But I think its more than worth the price tag.
The only reason i havent snagged a pair is the price honestly. These are more expensice then a endorphin speed 4 and id rather go for the 4.
Totally agree on both points Price and Endorphin. When I head about the Kinvara Pro I expected $140ish (maybe not a CF plate) But $200 is ridiculous when theres Speed and Pro already in the range!
I wonder what Saucony rationale is for this shoe being basically competition for its own products!
I was about to click the link and buy a pair, because of my history with Kinvara.. then you mentioned the price. Ouch, shoes are getting too expensive for something that doesn't last that long. I hate to say it, but these will probably be my next year shoe, when the new version comes out and these drop down to $120.
How does it feel compared to the triumph? Is it lighter than the triumph? I have been considering this shoe.
I have both. It’s definitely heavier than the Triumph. There is definitely also a higher midsole stack in the Kinvara Pro. Triumph is more of a traditional ride and maybe not quite as much pop as the Kinvara. Both are good. Just depends on what you are looking for.
I have the speed and PRO loving them and i have the kinvara pro aswell 😅 i got them 50% off so i bought them. I have heard negative thing about the shoe but after 100 km in them i’m still happy i bought the shoe. They work better in my long runs than the endorphin for me, with that said, just getting out for one now in the kinvara pro 😍
I got them, they were a little tight. They seemed like a decent everyday trainer. I like the triumph 21 better.
The og-v3 kinvaras were super minimal , nothing like this one with a huge stack, carbon plate, and two slabs of midsole foam. RIP the simple old KINVARA
Since Saucony discontiued my favorite running shoe the Endorphin Shift, would you consider this a replacement for that shoe?
I think (IMHO) this is the most underrated shoe out there today. This is a great long run shoe, and surprisingly good.
I've decided to give up on Saucony recently. Lived their road shoes but for the past 3 years they have all had upper durability issues and my latest pair of kinvara starting to die and shoe tears in the upper at around the 200km mark.
I loved the old Kinvaras, but now I have tons of others to favor and just don’t have the desire to even try them now. I’ve moved on during their hiatus…
would you recommend this over speed 4 as an all rounder shoe?
Serious question about durability. Kinvara would do much better with a targeted outsole.
Got 700k on mine
How does the toe box feel? I end up going up a half size with my Speeds because apparently my left foot is slightly wider.
TheGingerRunner, I loved this video so much, I had to hit the like button!
I tried the Kinvara Pro at the store and the midsole felt too firm compared to the Endorphins so I passed on it.
I have a love hate relationship with mine. I probably like my shift 3 more. Better bang for buck
Price and exposed sole..
How's the toe box? Looks pretty roomy.
Show or Shoe?
Or both.... 🤣
It’s an awesome shoe for most runners, the durability is trash. I’m a light/neutral 150 lb runner and 50 miles it was wearing down on the medial size completely and the shoe was becoming off balanced. The price is way too much for what short lifespan it has.
So many plates these days.
What show
Probably because they prefer shoes with a roomy toe box. Saucony appears to be focused on appeasing the narrow foot crowd??? No thanks , New Balance far better shoe offerings
It looks inherently unstable.