The August Balance Council Tier List

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  • @Fubidoo
    @Fubidoo 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +18

    Ah yes nauzica sgt. my beloved :)
    Let's do it for another 6 months guys.

    • @halabak
      @halabak 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      I don't know if it's possible, but this has to be stopped somehow. The community has to find some middle ground how this card should be valued

  • @chiefs260
    @chiefs260 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Thanks for this! Would love to see a Queen Meve deck with the Frigrates.

  • @halabak
    @halabak 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

    Did someone actually have problems playing against Commandos? 😮

    • @yLazark
      @yLazark 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      King Foltest was 6pts per turn + 5 in r2 if accounting Pavetta and + 5 in r3 with Renew, being the pure definition of an answer or lose type of card. The deck overall just played far above the standard points per provision while having an insane amount of carryover, like Blue Stripes Scout being 9/4 + carryover, Coen having an insane ceiling while consistently playing for 18+pts, etc.
      I personally would rather experiment with commandos as 5/6 than the underwhelming 4/5, but the deck was just too binary to leave them unchanged.

    • @halabak
      @halabak 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@yLazark That's fair, but if you can't remove foltest R1, then just pass after 3 cards. It will make their life tougher. It shouldn't be a supet strong deck for a long round 3

    • @yLazark
      @yLazark 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@halabak Why would they ever go for a long round? Shinmiri2 even has a video titled "Down 3 Cards w/ Commandos" where opponent passes, he decides to keep playing more carryover cards like megascopes + scouts while having the insane engine value of Foltest. After this, he still pushes 3 cards down in r2 and is able to win in r3 against phase 2 Dagon.

    • @halabak
      @halabak 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@yLazark heatwave Pavetta R2 or 🐿️ R3. I do agree that Commandos can be annoying if you can't answer them, but I feel like you are in problems against many decks if you don't have removal/banish options

  • @danieldrummond8477
    @danieldrummond8477 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Coup didn’t need a buff. It’s so strong. It plays for way more tempo than any other devotion echo card

    • @iorvet_chmorvet
      @iorvet_chmorvet 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      where does coup play else but two tier 3 decks?

  • @ArchangelMJZ
    @ArchangelMJZ 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I mostly agree with your takes. Unfortunately, The casual voters vote with what they hate to lose against rather than what is actually good. Infinite spend vice just going crazy on you or foltest behind defender unanswered just tilts people when they lose to them and they automatically try to delete the deck from the game

    • @draemdaed
      @draemdaed 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Jupp they dont realize if you counter these cards you will win against them, thats the whole thing about gwent deckbuilding you can go greedy or controlly both have ups and downs but whenever people play a deck with 0 control and lose to an engine based deck they just tilt 😂

    • @jimjamguitar6699
      @jimjamguitar6699 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yeah when they nerf decks they simply don’t like it’s annoying to deal with. Thankfully the buffs actually add something to the game so it is still good

  • @beastiebro
    @beastiebro 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Enjoyed the analysis and agreed with only slight qualifications listed below. Also you should look at the breakdowns of who voted for what b/c most of the changes you disliked/hated were done by casual independent voters which really messed with stuff this time around lol
    - Even in Renfri Morvud killed Regis so I like the buff.
    - Candle to 7 was a revert that I disliked so I’m happy there.
    - Backup plan is way better so bountiful should be 5 (plus yay non-Renfri handbuff maybe?)
    Edit: oh and China’s coalition had a very weak influence this time bc like you, no one is really inspired to vote for placeholder nerfs which only serve to block other nerfs… but that wouldn’t have changed blue stripes being nerfed b/c even with no streamer promoting it, it was the most voted for power decrease change (rip commandos lol)

    • @platinumpatrol2964
      @platinumpatrol2964  2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Yeah I have the feeling the Independent/casual voters just always vote to buff their decks and nerf things they don't like or that are new that they aren't used to playing against. Nothing to be done about them unfortunately.

  • @thecoolcaz9759
    @thecoolcaz9759 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    Nauzicaa and Slave Drive hold have their own tier

  • @rydelredekop
    @rydelredekop 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    Was really hoping forest protector got the prov decrease and don’t like simlas down to one, is that pointless of could it mess up his combo?

    • @Prefuse
      @Prefuse 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yeah, maybe one thing I can think of is that he can die by one ping of the Skellige ship so there's no body, I'm confused now if he dies after the first Special, so you can't buff him for example if there is no other unit on board. Is also a "psychological" nerf, you see him at 1 body so you're more discourage to play him, even though in general I think the good nerf is making him 14 prov and 1 body in general doesn't make any difference. Don't know if there is something else I'm not aware of.

    • @beastiebro
      @beastiebro 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@rydelredekop it’s actually a secret Ele’yas buff!! Lmao

  • @marlos6491
    @marlos6491 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    an craite raiders is wild. Last round the played for 7 points + 2 damage. Now, in the deck, the play for 8 + 2, and if you have Bran is 11 for 5. They will be like all other SK bronze cards that got buffed and became a spam problem, like dimun pirate, corsair, etc.

    • @naryvan_
      @naryvan_ 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      WIth bran it's 10 for 5. 5 base + 2 veteran + 1 bran + 2 order

  • @BiggusDingus325
    @BiggusDingus325 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    The cultists have some deck that doesnt play scenario round 1 and it spams the initiate, and plays for over 100+ points in round 1 so Im happy.

  • @redzone7787
    @redzone7787 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Can't wait for your vampire deck :) I been looking for one hopefully devotion

  • @ansleyrodgers9684
    @ansleyrodgers9684 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    So basically a month of enslave being the best deck in the game again.
    I don't understand the Simlas change at all.
    Nerfing commandos has the be the stupidest decision ever.
    Vice has been killed
    Vampires and dwarves buffs are cool
    The reversions with nauzica and warlord will never end lol

  • @Chronically_ChiII
    @Chronically_ChiII 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    Gwent players are so uncreative in what they do.
    Objective: Buff vampires
    Idea: Blood moon is never played at 10 provisions, at 9 it would both be good in both normal vamp decks and exist GN vampire.
    rEaLitY: Let's buff Dettlaf which already is better than blood moon.
    Also a shady vendor nerf would make way more sense than open sesame.

    • @ArchangelMJZ
      @ArchangelMJZ 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      GN vampires is already arguably the strongest monsters deck there is and I pushed it above 2580. The point was to buff high prov vampires to encourage other ways of building this archetype because GN was only way they were played at high mmr

  • @henriquefozzatolima573
    @henriquefozzatolima573 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    the nerfs are so harsh that it makes me not really want to play the game anymore (even more when the nerfs aren't warranted/this degree of nerf). I will probably only check out gwent when my boy artis go to 10p or when enough changes have been made to cards that makes it fresh to me. Still will check out your videos thought, really apreciate your analysis and comments.
    On a sidenote, I like the way you make your content so much that I would definitly check out in non gwent related stuff (if they are stuff that I like of course.)

  • @bestpaladinboy
    @bestpaladinboy 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    i unironically agree with everything you said 😭

  • @xZFeroxZx
    @xZFeroxZx 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    Great... The NG deck that is already played so often gets over buffed!
    Warlord buffed!
    This is the worst BC. I haven't played much in July, but shit just got worse...
    Anyways - hoping we'll get some deck guides for some Hjalmar and dwarf decks?

    • @adxdenerlx6969
      @adxdenerlx6969 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      NG has the worst winrate. Assimilate and tactics will probably be strong, but not OP

    • @Kman-zy1jt
      @Kman-zy1jt 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Which deck are you talking about all I see are meno, coup, and Jan which I personally never see used together

    • @xZFeroxZx
      @xZFeroxZx 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      @@adxdenerlx6969 that's not my point...
      Playing against NG always feels like a loss, even if you win because of the cancer gameplay.
      I don't know how it's at pro rank, but I've played 82% of my games against either NG or Reavers this season. THAT'S how bad the game is right now. And then we overbuff NG? I won't play against anything other then NG I guess...

    • @xZFeroxZx
      @xZFeroxZx 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@Kman-zy1jt I mean... Yeah it isn't really one deck, but I've seen Coup and Jan in every single NG deck and I've played against NG more times this season then against all other factions combined...

    • @adxdenerlx6969
      @adxdenerlx6969 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@xZFeroxZx ''Playing against NG always feels like a loss, even if you win because of the cancer gameplay''. That's an awfully broad statement. Using that as a starting point basically justifies making every single NG deck so bad it has a 10% winrate just because it's by definition toxic. Useless to even try to discuss BC with that.
      I didn't play too much last patch, but I climbed from rank 3 back to prorank so I could participate in BC. Didn't play any games within prorank, so my personal experience is from 3-1 and my judgement higher than that is mix of statistics, videos and some sense of how preformance translates through different skill levels.
      I must say, I'm not sure how much I trust your numbers. I went back in my own PlayGwent match history and saw that only 13/44 matches were against NG, 29.5%, and W/L was 10-3. Also Platinum Patrol did a season recap video before this one where he faced NG 30.4%. You 82% number may be true but it's wildly out of normal experience most players will have, and as usually is the case the only effect balance-wise it has is that it makes some people furiously mad at NG and disregard balance.

  • @sammillne-ellison8400
    @sammillne-ellison8400 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Brawler could be 6provision 4 power and still get played, it’s got intimidate which makes it harder to kill if you leave it too long and it can be answer or lose card as it can continuously board wipe with the right setup

    • @platinumpatrol2964
      @platinumpatrol2964  2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      It goes in the bottom tier because this is like the 4th change to the card and it seems like it's going to be like Nauzica where it changes every patch which is what the bottom tier is for. I can see the argument against it being 5 for 5 and normally I would be more neutral on it but in combination with all the other nerfs to SY I really don't like it.
      I'm pretty sure it would say basically no play at 6p as the last time it was at 4 power and 5p it saw a big drop in usage. To wipe the board continuously it requires a ton of coins that aren't being spent that efficiently, unless it's killing engines or in bounties. I guess it falls into the type of card that punishes certain decks that rely on setting up engines and don't have sufficient tempo plays to avoid Brawler's downside of not being targeted damage. Those decks will struggle against Brawler no matter what its stats are (like you're suggesting) but against most other decks I don't think it has enough value. It's always hard to tell though because whenever Brawler gets hit it's in conjunction with a bunch of other simultaneous nerfs to the decks using it.

  • @davidmazula8637
    @davidmazula8637 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I honestly dont hate the coup de grace change it's not seeing as much play in assimilate decks as it used to and if you don't have a mage torturer in hand or a good torres target on board than it can completely brick

  • @steelersfan0739
    @steelersfan0739 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I had problems with reaver hunters more then commandos bad change i think should have increased reavers to 7 provisions and if it unplayable then good hate that card and deck plus the regis change is good i think yeah it used in renfri but it requires bleed to buff itself were mourrd just buffs it self every round

    • @platinumpatrol2964
      @platinumpatrol2964  2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Reaver Hunters isn't a strong deck but it has very polarizing matchups where it's either really good or terrible. It's not fun but I don't think it's very good either.

  • @chinchillas-C
    @chinchillas-C 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thanks for your analysis 🎉

  • @gabrymatt816
    @gabrymatt816 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Vice decks rn: 💀

    • @rihardslusis4482
      @rihardslusis4482 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      They always kill them completely off like everything else that was good like overnerfing 😑

  • @thh8985
    @thh8985 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Don’t understand all the nerfs to SY Vice. My playrate versus SY was below 5% and Vice I faced twice. NG on the other hand I‘ve faced in round about 37% of the games getting several buffs??? WTF. Looking forward to play more than 50% of the games against NG. 😖
    Kerrack Frigate buff will bring Melitele back to the menu. Don’t like this annoying slow games.
    Cerys and Hjalmar are nice but most probably wasted buffs because they will not increase the playrate. Procession of Penance is okay but it’s a useless Firesworn card. Maybe Alzur/Orb players will be happy if they get a 13 power card from time to time. Alzur buff is btw okay.
    Vampires is still a player’s favorite but did the archetype needed buffs? It’s played anyway. 🤷🏻‍♂️ Regis might be okay but I don’t see the power buff to Detlaff.
    Overall rating for this BC might be a C-.

  • @elchanclas6035
    @elchanclas6035 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    They over buff enslave 6

  • @neddiego2570
    @neddiego2570 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Need a new Passiflora deck.

  • @jimjamguitar6699
    @jimjamguitar6699 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Looks ok, not good ixora is at 6 now she can be enslaved or killed more easily. And the other nerfs to vice are petty, vice wasn’t that strong bro. Is very annoying when they nerf whole decks in one balance council patch. Hjalmar change is great and the dwarves change also.
    Seeing warlords back at 5 is nice. And bountiful harvest at 5 is good, it doesn’t do much more than backup plan just has some carryover instead.

  • @DennisJeppesen
    @DennisJeppesen 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Well this is all in all horrible.
    SY can't comment its just dead I don't even wanna log on my SY account cause I have to change every deck.
    Griffin adept I get the 5 provision but they didn't think it through! Now there is NON 4 provision witcher units!
    They managed to kill melitele shuffle completely by teleportation, it's gone now they removed a WHOLE deck from a faction! A terrible one sure but my favorite cause it was fun to see how high a provision you could spawn. They can fix it by nerfing mentor to 4 provision and that will also fix the witcher deck problem.
    And of course they buffed SK like crazy.
    Scoia'tael was a horribly strong faction before but now scoia and SK are gonna delete everything that is being played this season.
    Simlas to 1 power makes zero sense. Gives it provision nerf instead.
    Brawler is a horrible nerf.
    All in all NR got really brutally killed and the strong decks got even stronger. People had fun with commandos for 1 month and then they nerfed it. Even though it would had died on it own.
    We really shouldn't have BC cause we are killing the game.

  • @iorvet_chmorvet
    @iorvet_chmorvet 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    "enslave pretty stong leader" at this point I just turned off the video

    • @platinumpatrol2964
      @platinumpatrol2964  2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Why? You don't think the Enslave leader ability is good?

    • @iorvet_chmorvet
      @iorvet_chmorvet 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@platinumpatrol2964 its twelve shit-tactics 4 for 4 that makes your leader play for 12. In trade of that you cant play any midrange spells like heatwave and locations. And Im not even talking about playability in renfri/kekker, which is not a downside for me, but still. Its not only one leader with conditions on deck building. Blaze of glory also have conditions to play for 13, but its condition is easier and more then that it has more provisions then enslave. Imposter which has zero conditions on deck building has 15 provs and does almost the same as enslave, also playble in renfri. Im not saying that those leaders 100% better then Enslave, its just a comparison.
      From 14p leaders first that comes to mind: the best midrange ST leader - Precisions strike and, not a midrange, but still stongest SY leader - a No-brain-Jackpot. The last one definetly not a 14 provs leader, but we're not talking about that. Their deck building conditions 1st) two dryads. 2nd) none. Also - Playble in renfri/kekker.
      So how can enslave be comparble to them, the last two in paricular? I do not know. But what I know is that Enslave just deserved some justice concidering all conditions it has.

  • @DennisJeppesen
    @DennisJeppesen 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Jesus christ this is horrible just played 15 games and I only faced SK and scoia! No SY decks could put up a fight ! Every acherontia deck is destroyed! Open sesame at 6 provision is ridiculous you can't even use vendor for open sesame now!
    Candle at 8 provision makes it impossible to make a good GN deck after they nerfed defender!
    SY is dead now.
    Melitele shuffle is dead.
    NR witchers has no 4 provision units!
    What are the BC guys thinking!? They buffed the 2 strongest factions SK and scoia but nerfed the faction that had the least players?
    I get why gwent is dying. I have 4 accounts been here since day 1 and I honestly am thinking of leaving.

    • @platinumpatrol2964
      @platinumpatrol2964  2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I get being mad about the BC, but your perception of the strongest/weakest factions is way off base. SY and NR were the highest winnrate and most played factions at the top of the ladder last season. SK and ST were both bottom 3 not the "strongest". Still, SY was overnerfed and the Blue Stripes change was dumb.

    • @DennisJeppesen
      @DennisJeppesen 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@platinumpatrol2964 you really can't use what is at the top of the ladder I thought they cleared that some seasons ago? Getting to the top of the ladder just means playing a strong deck all the time until you reach the top. Really nothing special about it. You have to look at what you faced during each season then make your conclusions put from there. And last season the most played was NG btw.
      Before that it was scoia.
      Before that it was SK.
      Can't remember further than that sorry.

    • @DennisJeppesen
      @DennisJeppesen 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@platinumpatrol2964 personally on my 4 accounts when I put all 400 matches together I had 43% NG. 18% scoia 16% NR 13% MO 7%SK and 3%
      SY
      That was spread over 4 accounts different positions on the ladder and with 100 matches each.
      That is how I have always counted what I look for at the most played and least. Cause looking at the highest in the ladder just shows who liked to play commando for example. And I guess many did that in the beginning. But this way I get 100% random matches spread over pro low rank and mid rank.
      Sure it takes a lot of time but it's worth it to see what we need and what we doesn't need.

    • @DennisJeppesen
      @DennisJeppesen 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@platinumpatrol2964 what's more sad is I spend 15-18 hours teaching 6 random people from TH-cam comments how to play SY cause they asked. And they really loved the faction afterwards! Now 2 of them had already asked what should they play now cause they wanted SY. I said firesworn but even with the buff firesworn is a boring way to play SY. So they just went back to SK. At least now they know how to play them

    • @iorvet_chmorvet
      @iorvet_chmorvet 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Meletele brainrotted-abusive-binary shuffle is finally dead? Thanks god