It did need it to be honest. The deck has been like tier 4 in power level for years, and weaker than non devotion symbiosis because it lacks tall punish. It going very wide has also been an issue, like if your opponent gets a long round 3.
I agree this is one of the best balance councils so far, apart from the flip flopping on certain cards all the new changes seem really sensible - it was cool to see the Lerio/Shinmiri suggestions all went through apart from Helveed as well (which was the one I was least keen about anyway)
Shinmiri and Lerio getting an English voting coalition together these past few months has been great. We got many terrible changes when they weren't around and Nik R got his way after posting his votes each season.
You see some cards constantly get changed back and forth then you have some that remained untouched. Why no changes to Traveling Priestess? It's a 4 provision card that should be at least 6.
Probably because NR isn't that popular in general and the Witcher decks are more prevalent at the moment. Priestess also did get nerfed just last month btw, although it was only a power nerf.
@@ericjade I agree it was mostly a pointless nerf. If Priestess performs better than the other NR decks this season it might get that provision nerf. It is wild that it's a 4p card.
Renfri, slave driver and nauzica ping pong is so damm annoying especially when you realize these are nerfs and buffs better spent elsewhere instead of going back and forth every month
Compass is an amazing card that generates much more value than 11p because you typically create a more expensive card and get to choose the one that has the most value at the time. Flexibility typically comes at the expense of raw value, but Compass gives you both the flexibility and higher value for its cost. Getting down to 2 is easy enough that it's not really punishable by R2 Squirrel anymore either since people just wait and use it R3 as a finisher. Raiding Fleet has more value than the other 6p thinning cards like Mercenary Contract, Roderick, Last Wish, Prince Villem, etc. and was played in the 2 best SK decks so it makes sense to nerf them that way. Fish are going to 2 for 4p but if they made it 4p first everyone would just revert it so it's part of a buff to them overall not a nerf. SK does have discard as well but that's not seeing much play outside of Compass abuse decks, so perhaps that's where the attention should go for SK consistency buffs as it is a faction specific mechanic.
Well, I’m excited for some of these changes, but I already made a enslave assimilate deck with ardal instead of coup and I’m currently climbing back to pro with it. The deck feels extremely strong - slave drivers at 5 coinciding with Nausicaa at 4 power is just monstrous. That being said it’s not unbeatable, I’ve lost once to pirates so far out of 6 games.
Brawler is just going to change over and over like Slave Driver, I guess. It's very annoying against engine decks since the 1 for 1 spending is trading up against engines but in other matchups its fine. The coin carryover of Open Sesame is really what enables its later round board clears, and I suspect nerfing Brawler is a way to potentially keep Sesame at 5p instead of nerfing it again. Junior, I don't care too much about, it was good at 4 power before being buffed and was really good at 5. He does really limit SY into Devotion though so hopefully there will be some more variety in SY deckbuilding by considering Neutral cards again.
GN was horrible i see it most in mill and witchers, and mill players have been hit hard enough and we need more witcher decks not less. Raising fleet is also bad compass was enough.I don't play pirates but tried today and just noticed now Bjorn is useless he is only 4 power? Immortal shouldnt have been changes before they changed back damned sorcerers. Now NR knight is 90% dead you really have to be lucky to get some wins. Roach should just stay at 4 power it has been 4 power since the beginning of gwent! And we already had musical getting nerfed to now it's just thinning. So all in all this bc was almost horrible but not completely. We are gonna see so many toxic NG deck this season and I love symbiosis but this is to much too fast. Sorry but you are way to positive this season! 😂
GN is also used in a variety of Necromancer Tome decks and the NR Witcher deck in particular was quite good. I wouldn't have voted for it to be nerfed, but it is a very powerful card and I can see it being problematic as other cards within those decks get buffed or buffed into GN range like Alzur. Raiding Fleet and Compass aren't always played together though, a lot of Pirate decks I see play Fleet but not Compass while other decks like Shupe and Lippy use Compass not Fleet and those decks were very good. Also, Bjorn has been 4 power for more than 2 years (nerfed the month after his release). Immortal and Sorceress combo I feel was too dominant in NR as so many decks ran it. All it changes is 1 immediate point on the combo for Immortals and 1 (previously) for Sorceress. I'd rather see some other cards in Knights get buffed instead, especially Knighthood to be playable. Roach was 4 power on release, but she was nerfed a month later and was 3 power for almost 4 years, so for most of the game's lifetime. Back to 4 is relatively recent and even if it wasn't keeping cards the same as their historical value isn't a good balance argument. Interactions change and new decks are created that can exploit cards and may cause their balance to need to be adjusted. The tempo and thinning abuse in many decks was too good in my opinion. Musicians deserved the same nerf for the same reason. We definitely are going to see a lot of NG (all I've seen so far this season are Bomb and Illusionist abuse though). I've tried out all the Devotion Symbiosis buffs and still kind of think non-Devotion is better but it feels a lot closer. The lack of hard removal is still a big problem for it.
@@platinumpatrol2964 forgot about the tomb for GN true i see it there also so that's 3 and sometime movement but sadly not a lot are playing movement anymore even though it is fun. Sure witchers could be strong if not answered like any other deck, but witchers are really what gwent is, and I am glad to see them buffed so why they nerf the card that play the most witchers makes no sense. Personally I saw raiding fleet a lot with compass to make the extreme thinning, I think it was also the most played pirate deck for some month if I remember correct? But pirates really aren't as strong as they used to be I don't play them cause I feel bad when playing them like reavers. Not as strong as people make them out to be just annoying as hell. Just checked on Bjorn and you are right like i said I don't play pirates and he seems expensive when he can only do 4 damage? Sure you might be lucky to replay him save up the amor and do it again but i can't remember when I last saw anyone do it. Immortal and sorcerer was strong sure thing! But like you said "people ran it" they don't anymore I rarely see it cause there are so much control it rarely pays off. This will just mean even less will play it and I only see it in knights decks and not many plays knights! And that is understandable they are weak, have zero control, slow tempo without scenario almost impossible to play. Now they are even worse would love to see knights get buffed. It's a great deck for new players and we need new players. Pretty sure roach was only 3 power for 3 years and wasn't that the same time where CDPR were asking us what we wanted and they kept changing it? From 9 to 10 to 9 and 3 to 4 and ended up with people said they were happy at 4 power 9 provision? They had a whole Facebook vote thing with it if remember correctly? That's why I think it should just be where everybody seemed happy about it. Musicians we will never agree on cause I dont mind it at 3 power but 2 is not enough. it's mostly annoying having it on the board now even with the thinning. NG is really dominating gwent right! Holy hell I won't start on it. I will just say this, I like NG but I think they are too strong just played 10 games won 10 games. And that is all I have to say about NG 😂 But I really didn't know that about Bjorn always thought he started at 6 power and that's why people hated him now I am honestly kind of speechless 😅
@@platinumpatrol2964 why didn't you tell me I am a idiot? 😂😂 Of course Bjorn is 8 provision, he is a veteran for christ sake! So he goes to 6 power and why I remembered him as 6 power! That is why he is 8 provision! that was embarrassing.. Well makes sense now didn't seem fair at 4 power but now I completely get it 😂my bad..
Dude he even puts an “intro” timestamp in there for you if you’re that desperate to skip - and roach is a good change, I had roach in almost all my decks this last season and most of the meta decks run it, the easy thinning is so valuable - it’s not even a provision increase it’s just one power less easy tempo round 1
@honestabe411 Because Roach is used in a lot of the top decks and is one of the most widely used cards in the game. It applies tempo pressure instead of just being a thinning card which helps tempo-based decks force the opponent to follow your game plan. Sorry for not understanding the game like you, I can only comment on my opinion and experience in the upper end of the ladder. I am interested in hearing your explanation for why nerfing Roach is bad though as it is a different opinion. Also, the timestamp is unnecessary, I already put it chapters for you :)
@@platinumpatrol2964 okay I think I meant I don’t understand this game. I guess it’s fine since Knickers is 3 for 8 but you don’t know when it’s coming out, so 3 for 9 when you do is okay. But the problem with this balance council is it addresses things like roach instead of the cancerous cards, the pancake stuff like you say. And yes I’ve played forever and I’ve never gotten good at this game, roach is just so iconic to me I think it’s not the highest priority. Democracy doesn’t work
They nerfed gn so good but until i dont see gn at 15 prov im not happy enough, that card is one of the reason this game died.. same for that shit of reaver hunter.. i want that card 7 prov..happy to see calvait 10 prov
So a card that has severe deck building restrictions that locks you out of using the most powerful cards in the game, with the benefit of being able to play 3 cards in one turn is bad terrible and should be removed from the game, but the card that literally sorts your entire deck from best to worst with easy to meet deckbuilding requirements that are largely themselves optional is fine and should be buffed? Your statement is insane.
@@er4din903Yep, and not to mention it should be incredibly obvious to anyone that the reason it's lost players is actually because CDPR left. Though the fact that tens of thousands of players play ranked each month is impressive considering how much fewer most card games have had when updates with card drops etc have stopped.
@@er4din903 Yeah it doesn't make sense. Jan is the best consistency card in the game (and in my opinion the best NG card) and its deckbuilding requirements are trivial since it just hides those cards on the bottom of your deck. Plus, you can choose the number of tactics and still have Neutral cards and non-tactic specials like Shupe and Heatwave. GN really is limiting, and you feel it so much more when you're playing or deckbuilding.
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I'm a die hard devotion symbiosis player and oh my god man this patch is insane. I don't really think the deck needed that much help
It did need it to be honest. The deck has been like tier 4 in power level for years, and weaker than non devotion symbiosis because it lacks tall punish. It going very wide has also been an issue, like if your opponent gets a long round 3.
It needed it. Non-devo was much better.
When will they learn that slave driver is the problem!?
Probably never
I agree this is one of the best balance councils so far, apart from the flip flopping on certain cards all the new changes seem really sensible - it was cool to see the Lerio/Shinmiri suggestions all went through apart from Helveed as well (which was the one I was least keen about anyway)
Mostly good changes, yay! :D
I'm excited to get back into the game!
I have missed your videos, so this is great news!
Shinmiri and Lerio getting an English voting coalition together these past few months has been great. We got many terrible changes when they weren't around and Nik R got his way after posting his votes each season.
You see some cards constantly get changed back and forth then you have some that remained untouched. Why no changes to Traveling Priestess? It's a 4 provision card that should be at least 6.
Probably because NR isn't that popular in general and the Witcher decks are more prevalent at the moment. Priestess also did get nerfed just last month btw, although it was only a power nerf.
@@platinumpatrol2964 Oh. Well, should be a provision nerf. Power does nothing. Once they hit the board it's too late to do anything.
@@ericjade I agree it was mostly a pointless nerf. If Priestess performs better than the other NR decks this season it might get that provision nerf. It is wild that it's a 4p card.
There is no way you think most of them are good changes , like how 😂
Which ones do you think are bad?
Renfri, slave driver and nauzica ping pong is so damm annoying especially when you realize these are nerfs and buffs better spent elsewhere instead of going back and forth every month
I know, especially when placeholder changes like Living Armor are going through too
People really dont play SK and you can see it. Why nerf fish, compass and raiding fleet.
Once again every faction gets amazing thinners except SK
Fish will get buffed to 4 prov in next update
And skellige alchemy decks are getting nerf with every patch, this time it's an ale nerf
Compass is an amazing card that generates much more value than 11p because you typically create a more expensive card and get to choose the one that has the most value at the time. Flexibility typically comes at the expense of raw value, but Compass gives you both the flexibility and higher value for its cost. Getting down to 2 is easy enough that it's not really punishable by R2 Squirrel anymore either since people just wait and use it R3 as a finisher.
Raiding Fleet has more value than the other 6p thinning cards like Mercenary Contract, Roderick, Last Wish, Prince Villem, etc. and was played in the 2 best SK decks so it makes sense to nerf them that way.
Fish are going to 2 for 4p but if they made it 4p first everyone would just revert it so it's part of a buff to them overall not a nerf.
SK does have discard as well but that's not seeing much play outside of Compass abuse decks, so perhaps that's where the attention should go for SK consistency buffs as it is a faction specific mechanic.
Very interesting video, must take some time to put all of this together so many thanks for doing so!
Returning player here. When exactly do these changes go live?
They're live now
Idk but these monthly changes is too fast imo.
We gonna need ALOT of NG nerfs next season.
As a monster pilot, Id suggest fruits nerf and Frost/Swarm buff.
Frost is fine but they lack control. In the current carryover meta they really struggle. Let’s see if ale nerf makes it more viable
Well, I’m excited for some of these changes, but I already made a enslave assimilate deck with ardal instead of coup and I’m currently climbing back to pro with it. The deck feels extremely strong - slave drivers at 5 coinciding with Nausicaa at 4 power is just monstrous. That being said it’s not unbeatable, I’ve lost once to pirates so far out of 6 games.
nice insight as always
Well, whatever they changed this month, I got -2 on all my frost decks. Really messed them up more than I thought -2 prov would.
I started playing recently and I’ve learned a lot from your syndicate videos. (It’s the only faction I have mostly completed thus far)
I just feel like SY is still overloaded as hell, it just has too many ways to be consistent everytime
Only SY nerf that makes sense is fallen knight. Junior and Brawler going to 4 is so bad its funny
Brawler is just going to change over and over like Slave Driver, I guess. It's very annoying against engine decks since the 1 for 1 spending is trading up against engines but in other matchups its fine. The coin carryover of Open Sesame is really what enables its later round board clears, and I suspect nerfing Brawler is a way to potentially keep Sesame at 5p instead of nerfing it again. Junior, I don't care too much about, it was good at 4 power before being buffed and was really good at 5. He does really limit SY into Devotion though so hopefully there will be some more variety in SY deckbuilding by considering Neutral cards again.
GN was horrible i see it most in mill and witchers, and mill players have been hit hard enough and we need more witcher decks not less.
Raising fleet is also bad compass was enough.I don't play pirates but tried today and just noticed now Bjorn is useless he is only 4 power?
Immortal shouldnt have been changes before they changed back damned sorcerers. Now NR knight is 90% dead you really have to be lucky to get some wins.
Roach should just stay at 4 power it has been 4 power since the beginning of gwent! And we already had musical getting nerfed to now it's just thinning.
So all in all this bc was almost horrible but not completely. We are gonna see so many toxic NG deck this season and I love symbiosis but this is to much too fast. Sorry but you are way to positive this season! 😂
GN is also used in a variety of Necromancer Tome decks and the NR Witcher deck in particular was quite good. I wouldn't have voted for it to be nerfed, but it is a very powerful card and I can see it being problematic as other cards within those decks get buffed or buffed into GN range like Alzur.
Raiding Fleet and Compass aren't always played together though, a lot of Pirate decks I see play Fleet but not Compass while other decks like Shupe and Lippy use Compass not Fleet and those decks were very good. Also, Bjorn has been 4 power for more than 2 years (nerfed the month after his release).
Immortal and Sorceress combo I feel was too dominant in NR as so many decks ran it. All it changes is 1 immediate point on the combo for Immortals and 1 (previously) for Sorceress. I'd rather see some other cards in Knights get buffed instead, especially Knighthood to be playable.
Roach was 4 power on release, but she was nerfed a month later and was 3 power for almost 4 years, so for most of the game's lifetime. Back to 4 is relatively recent and even if it wasn't keeping cards the same as their historical value isn't a good balance argument. Interactions change and new decks are created that can exploit cards and may cause their balance to need to be adjusted. The tempo and thinning abuse in many decks was too good in my opinion. Musicians deserved the same nerf for the same reason.
We definitely are going to see a lot of NG (all I've seen so far this season are Bomb and Illusionist abuse though). I've tried out all the Devotion Symbiosis buffs and still kind of think non-Devotion is better but it feels a lot closer. The lack of hard removal is still a big problem for it.
@@platinumpatrol2964 forgot about the tomb for GN true i see it there also so that's 3 and sometime movement but sadly not a lot are playing movement anymore even though it is fun. Sure witchers could be strong if not answered like any other deck, but witchers are really what gwent is, and I am glad to see them buffed so why they nerf the card that play the most witchers makes no sense.
Personally I saw raiding fleet a lot with compass to make the extreme thinning, I think it was also the most played pirate deck for some month if I remember correct?
But pirates really aren't as strong as they used to be I don't play them cause I feel bad when playing them like reavers. Not as strong as people make them out to be just annoying as hell.
Just checked on Bjorn and you are right like i said I don't play pirates and he seems expensive when he can only do 4 damage? Sure you might be lucky to replay him save up the amor and do it again but i can't remember when I last saw anyone do it.
Immortal and sorcerer was strong sure thing! But like you said "people ran it" they don't anymore I rarely see it cause there are so much control it rarely pays off. This will just mean even less will play it and I only see it in knights decks and not many plays knights! And that is understandable they are weak, have zero control, slow tempo without scenario almost impossible to play. Now they are even worse would love to see knights get buffed. It's a great deck for new players and we need new players.
Pretty sure roach was only 3 power for 3 years and wasn't that the same time where CDPR were asking us what we wanted and they kept changing it? From 9 to 10 to 9 and 3 to 4 and ended up with people said they were happy at 4 power 9 provision? They had a whole Facebook vote thing with it if remember correctly? That's why I think it should just be where everybody seemed happy about it.
Musicians we will never agree on cause I dont mind it at 3 power but 2 is not enough. it's mostly annoying having it on the board now even with the thinning.
NG is really dominating gwent right! Holy hell I won't start on it. I will just say this, I like NG but I think they are too strong just played 10 games won 10 games. And that is all I have to say about NG 😂
But I really didn't know that about Bjorn always thought he started at 6 power and that's why people hated him now I am honestly kind of speechless 😅
@@platinumpatrol2964 why didn't you tell me I am a idiot? 😂😂 Of course Bjorn is 8 provision, he is a veteran for christ sake! So he goes to 6 power and why I remembered him as 6 power! That is why he is 8 provision! that was embarrassing.. Well makes sense now didn't seem fair at 4 power but now I completely get it 😂my bad..
24:37 I think that shows in how bad situation is NR im still mad for killing henselt deck mutagenration and foltest deck
noooo, they nerfed my insectoid Idrs deck =(
at least NG Tactics was buffed
1:47 after all the blah blah blah
Why is roach getting nerfed you don’t understand this game
Dude he even puts an “intro” timestamp in there for you if you’re that desperate to skip - and roach is a good change, I had roach in almost all my decks this last season and most of the meta decks run it, the easy thinning is so valuable - it’s not even a provision increase it’s just one power less easy tempo round 1
@honestabe411 Because Roach is used in a lot of the top decks and is one of the most widely used cards in the game. It applies tempo pressure instead of just being a thinning card which helps tempo-based decks force the opponent to follow your game plan.
Sorry for not understanding the game like you, I can only comment on my opinion and experience in the upper end of the ladder. I am interested in hearing your explanation for why nerfing Roach is bad though as it is a different opinion.
Also, the timestamp is unnecessary, I already put it chapters for you :)
@@platinumpatrol2964 okay I think I meant I don’t understand this game. I guess it’s fine since Knickers is 3 for 8 but you don’t know when it’s coming out, so 3 for 9 when you do is okay. But the problem with this balance council is it addresses things like roach instead of the cancerous cards, the pancake stuff like you say. And yes I’ve played forever and I’ve never gotten good at this game, roach is just so iconic to me I think it’s not the highest priority. Democracy doesn’t work
Like Renfri got buffed? Crazy
They nerfed gn so good but until i dont see gn at 15 prov im not happy enough, that card is one of the reason this game died.. same for that shit of reaver hunter.. i want that card 7 prov..happy to see calvait 10 prov
So a card that has severe deck building restrictions that locks you out of using the most powerful cards in the game, with the benefit of being able to play 3 cards in one turn is bad terrible and should be removed from the game, but the card that literally sorts your entire deck from best to worst with easy to meet deckbuilding requirements that are largely themselves optional is fine and should be buffed?
Your statement is insane.
@@er4din903Yep, and not to mention it should be incredibly obvious to anyone that the reason it's lost players is actually because CDPR left.
Though the fact that tens of thousands of players play ranked each month is impressive considering how much fewer most card games have had when updates with card drops etc have stopped.
@@er4din903 Yeah it doesn't make sense. Jan is the best consistency card in the game (and in my opinion the best NG card) and its deckbuilding requirements are trivial since it just hides those cards on the bottom of your deck. Plus, you can choose the number of tactics and still have Neutral cards and non-tactic specials like Shupe and Heatwave. GN really is limiting, and you feel it so much more when you're playing or deckbuilding.