Series 70 1911 vs. Series 80 1911 (Which is BEST?)
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The "series 80" was a "solution" that was looking for a "problem", that NEVER
EXISTED.
Probably the best and most thorough/concise explanation that I've seen on the differences between the 1911 series 70 vs 80.
Think Like A Cop has a video that goes a little better.
I love my 70 series, I think in almost 70 years I never dropped a gun, not too worried about being drop safety or a hard bumps.
Very informative. I wondered about this, but not enough to get out of my recliner. Thanks to Mr. Marshal and TH-cam I didn't have to.
GREAT video. Animation was impressive and easy to understand. thank you
Excellent explanation,as usual.
I love your vids!!! Thanks
Next episode. The question that all glock lovers ask and need settled once and for all.
Tampax or Kotex?
Ok buddy. Thats why i run a glock 17 as a competition gun. Only modifications are a stock glock 34 adjustable rear sight i got for free(they are like $12 anyway), a hogue handal grip i paid $13 for, and a ghost 3.5# connector and hand polish with install i paid $45 for. So for my stock glock 17 gen 4 and another $58, i have a competition gun. How much did you spend on your stock 1911? Not bashing, id love to have one sooner than later, but glocks are around for a reason.
Real men carry M&P's...
Now that's some funny shit right there.
skiball83 OK and I normally do not do this but here goes. I will not bash your glock for what it is. It is an expensive disposable gun. It does the job period. It is the Toyota Camry of the gun world. Please do not take this the wrong way but it is not a Cadillac, it is not even a Lincoln, it is not the Avalon it is just a Camry. You buy it and it gets you from point a to point b. You can put $1000 in it but why would you? Plastic sights, spongy trigger, plastic mags = glock perfection. Buy one it works as it should. Do not spend any extra money on it. If it fails or god forbid you have to use it for a "good shoot" and lose it go buy another one. That is what it was designed for.
skiball83 1911's have been around for over a century for a reason. They're just that good. Young guys have this idea that they're terrible because of horror stories from old time vets, they never get the part about the abuse those old war guns took, but still functioned. Or they think they're not accurate because, historically, the military spends about five minutes training on pistol use. Then, it's taught it's a last resort, point blank option. The truth is that a 1911 is very reliable, and very accurate. And will out last any poly-gun. Many of the 1911's that the military finally got rid of, just a few years ago, were dated back to the World Wars. There are already news releases, all over the interwebz, about Gen 1 Glock frames failing. That's only a 30 year old gun. These idiots spouting "I've carried my Glock for 20 years, and I'll carry it for life!" Don't shoot. Is a 1911 perfect? no. Is a Glock perfect? I'd say that five "generations", with more changes coming, proves not. Oh, btw, here's some Glock trivia for you: The striker-fire system was developed by John Moses Browning, ALONGSIDE the 1911. As Colt was heavily invested in marketing the 1911 for the American market, they chose to sell the Striker design to Fabrique, with a non-competition clause. The first Striker Fire pistol was the Fabrique Model 1900, which saw moderate popularity in Europe, and was replaced by the Model 1922. The first polymer framed pistol was released by H&K, in 1970. The only thing Glock did was take two designs, mash them together, and pay a movie producer a couple of million dollars to have "John McClane" give a two minute false advertising rant about his gun in Die Hard 2. Without that movie Glock would have never become a "thing".
i like the drop safety. your right the difference is not noticable. the ones who complain are the ones who demand a 2lb trigger on their glocks.
Nicely done animations and descriptions!
Excellent job on the demo. Thanks!!!!
Great informative video, and thanks for reminding up to attention to detail especially with words like "reliability," and "liability."
Damn Yankee putting in the effort....cool video man
I’m new to the 1911 so thank you 👍 for the clear explanation 😀
Totally agree... I have both and have never had an issue with either design
Great vid! Awesome animations.
Omg Yankee! Who said you can't teach an old dog new tricks?! Great animation 👍
Dude you gotta stop ragging on yourself with the old jokes your barely middle aged lol. Go for a run man, start a new diet. Your good!!!!!!
Test Test for reals look at Arnold he’s ripped and older. No excuses yankee! Make a changes in your diet and workout with plenty of rest and you will see lots of positive change.
@@lordthorby6199 lol Arnold as in Arnold Schwarzenegger? The guy has been on steroids since the 70's
Ulysses Leal I’m not saying he looks bad I’m saying he doesn’t need to be so hard on himself 😂
It's called self-deprecating humor and it's meant to be ironic. He's in fairly decent shape, and he wouldn't be making jokes like that if he actually were decrepit.
Not bad for a DM pt. on Medicare.
If a 1911 needed a firing pin block JOHN MOSES BROWNING would have put one in there😂🇺🇸!
Thank God, someone with a brain, thank you .
Wrong, Browning didn't design a beaver tail and most people prefer it.
Big Al he did have designs for one, Colt implemented it years later per customer demand
that is like saying if car needed airbags Henry Ford or Karl Benz would have put one in there
@Alex Eidenier i know
Thank you. Thank you. Thank you! Best video I have seen on the subject.
You just keep showing up with more wonderful guns; damn you for being able to afford nice things xD, keep on the great content and grow that collection!
Awesome info !👍🏻🤝🏼
If you're worried about it, put a titanium firing pin and heavier firing pin spring into your Series 70 and you will pass the Kalifornia drop test.
How many people DROP a 1911 pistol on its muzzle?? Seriously? I have owned
these pistols for 40 years and NEVER dropped ONE, on its muzzle, slide, buttstock, anywhere, and have never had an "accidental discharge".
Ok so tell me what would happen if the sear or sear pin were to break while your series 70 has one in the chamber and the hammer cocked? Answer is your putting a hole in something. Im not picking on the series 70...I have a few of them actually and only 1 series 80...I just wouldnt feel comfortable having one loaded and pointed at my leg or anything else for that matter.
@@broot1375 know of any cases of this happening?
@@broot1375 Ok I’m not saying anything bad about series 80, but if the trigger mechanism were to somehow break to hit the firing pin hard enough, then the mechanisms are horribly made and/or they’re made of super cheap steel.
Another great video brotha,
Very nice animation. Thanks for sharing.
GREAT video! 👍
Very nice explanation.👍
Great informative video. Thanks
Thanks for the explanation, now I know which one I want.
Great explanation Yankee. 👍🏻😁
I have wondered what that lil spike was for so long thank u!
Excellent video
Great video
Wow...I'm all learning things n stuff...what happened to this channel?
Josh Benware channel that’s how I felt. My 1911 knowledge has increased about 500% over the last months from this channel.
His channel isn’t about 1 certain thing. He makes content on whatever he wants. His words, not mine. Also, his content is also dependent on viewer request - being that if there’s a question worth making a video he usually does.
@@carbon_no6 I know. Been subbed for 6 years
Good job!
Have been shooting a 1911 for over 30 years and didn't know the difference (or reason) between a 70 or 80. Have always shot or owned 70's ( no plunger) Thanks Yankee Marshall for that explanation.
I've had both, and frankly, I could see no discernible difference between them.
Thank you. I am enlightened.
Thanks for taking us back to school, and not giving us any homework. 👍
Good Video!
I actually did have a problem with a series 80. I’ll admit, it was a cleaning issue. What happened was that the plunger got stuck, probably due to carbon residue. Because the plunger was stuck, I couldn’t pull the trigger. After I got it cleaned up, it worked fine again.
Straw hats are fine with suspenders, so long as it's between Easter Sunday & Sept. 15th (longer in warmer climates). As heated as the Series 70 vs. Series 80 debate gets, I don't think there was ever a riot over it. Straw hats out of season; however...
Don't forget the sandals with black socks. 😎
Actually you need to wear a good quality Cowboy hat and boots so you can get your Longmire on. Don't forget the Wrangler Jean's, and pearl snap shirts.
I've had the plunger jam in a colt pocketlite from previous owners wd40 and it having some burrs. It really sucked and even though it's fixed and seems to work I almost completely removed the offending pieces and will if it ever crops up again
That Swiss watch example is perfect.
I agree with you Yankee. I have both, shoot both and like both. No problems.
I agree with yankee. Drop sears like this simple system are so easy and realiable its a wonder Sig didnt include on in their over engineered p320. 🤠
It was a requirement for the M9 Pistol Program, but they dropped it for the M17 Program. But they don't always follow their own rules. The Sig P226 didn't have a manual safety which was a requirement of the M9 Program. And in the M17 Program they let third stage bidding short circuit the durability testing that was supposed to be performed in the 2nd stage.
Nice job
Well said!
I've got a Series 80 I bought back in 86. Love shooting it on my range behind the house. Its a chunk of steel, however, too damned heavy to carry off duty.
Kimber drop safety is engaged by the grip safety and does not interfere with the trigger and only has one part.
Great video brother. You still carrying a 1911 or you switch to something else? Still trying to find myself a 200DS, not having any luck.
About to get a ATI GI 45! Been wanting a plain 1911 for awhile :)
Would you recommend a 1911 in a different caliber like 357 Sig over 45? What are your thoughts on the 9mm and 380 craze in the 1911 platform?
I see what you’re sayin and I love all 1911s. Although, when it comes to your analogy with the Swiss watch, there’s a huge difference between a device that just moves a few tiny arms round and round, and a device that literally is subjected to controlled explosions over and over again. Parts can definitely be more prone to failing in a gun as opposed to a time piece.
I have both and while I know the difference I rarely even think about it as both function extremely well and feel about the same. :)
You should do a video on the difference in the Swartz firing pin system and the Colt firing pin system.
Thanks TYM I have been thinking about picking up a 1911. And was curious about what the difference is between the two. I suppose my next question is is there a notable difference in collectibility???? Resale value
Love the skull grips! Where did you get them?
Thanks
thanks for the video it is very informative. I'll have to check my 3 1911 guns I have a rock island in 9mm and a ruger commander in 45 acp. I also have a Browning black label in 380 acp. it'll interesting to find out what the difference is. I know that the 45 acp and 380 has the gi guide rod and the rock island has a full length guide rod. I don't like the full length guide rod it's a little harder to disassemble and reassemble. but I have learned that the magazine turns out to be a great tool for that
This was actually an excellent description of 70 vs 80. Especially the animation that looks like rabbit fucking during rapid fire. Because that's actually what's going on inside a handgun with a pin safety under fast fire. Rabbit fucking
If you look at a Series 80 type 1911 with an external extractor (like a Sig STX) it has at the back of the slide what looks like an internal extractor. Because the Series 80 was designed to use the internal extractor of the Colt 1911 to retain the plunger and spring, 1911s with external extractors still need something to retain them. So there's a butt-end of an internal extractor in the slide to do that job, even thought its not the gun's actual extractor!
Whoa, nice hat dude :-)
Lol! I thought I saw my Grandfather with that hat.
I just bought a Series 70 Colt Combat Commander. Sweet shooter
I like both systems. A real pain is series 70 gold cup. It has an extra depresser and micro spring on the sear, it can be quite a task to reassemble in not shown the proper sequence and method.
If you are the first time owner of a new Series 80 1911 I would tend to agree that there would likely never be a problem as long as you know how to clear and properly reinstall the slide. I purchased a used Sig Sauer 1911 Emperor Scorpion. I functioned checked it at LGS but did not break down the pistol there. I am a certified Sig Sauer armorer. When I got the pistol home and broke it down I noticed the firing pin saafety plunger level, that is in the frame was mangled and bent forward and a bit sideways and was not fully seating. I think original owner did not know to make sure that was down when putting slide back on and he bent it. Then because it did not fully seat the slide was benting the tip down when going back into battery. And with that bent it was not fully supressing the safety plunger which in turn was allowing the wider rear part of the firy pin to hit and gouge it. I suspect with this the owner was getting light primer strikes at times and cursing Sig. I replaced the lever, the safety plunger and spring, the firing pin and spring. Still sent it back to Sig in regards to reviewing, correcting and reinitiating warranty. They found the extractor tip was broke which I had missed and replaced several other springs. So those extra Series 80 parts, starting with the firing pin safety plunger lever, can be damaged by inexperienced owner.
Nice,,,,,,,,,Thanks
Good video.
My series 80 failed due to dirt accumulated in the extractor and plunger areas after 4 years. I didn't know how to properly clean it due to the owner's manual failing to show it. It wasn't until I saw disassembly videos on you tube that I learned how! When I ran a Q tip through the extractor hole I pushed out a plug of carbon and dirt that was preventing the firing pin from moving and the extractor working! the weird thing is that it fired fine the last time at the range with no indication the time before. The series 80 Remington R-1 Enhanced is a fine weapon as long as you detail clean it from time to time. I wouldn't wait more than a year if you fire it often to detail strip and clean though.
You said it right "there's ALMOST nothing that can go wrong".
Some reliability engineering shows the more part there are the more chances of something failing.
Call it 99.99% reliable if it makes you feel better BUT...
Ah just saw it again that cover picture is fucking hilarious...is this what Yankee will look like one day?
did you go into the future couple years to get that picture of you in the green shirt and suspenders somehow that looks appropriate
Excellent graphics and explanation.. in my opinion the series 80 type parts make getting a great trigger pull about 15 percent harder to achieve. That is a very very light and crisp pull.. a standard 4 to 5 pound good trigger pull is no harder to achieve..
Good information video..... all glocks in 9mm, 1911s in 45, ARs in 5.56.... we are never satisfied with shit that works.....aftermarket business is huge... for suckers
S80 has two "extra" parts in the frame and two "extra" parts in the slide.
"I count the firing pin block spring as a part"
Not really complicated at all.
But there's reasons why 1911 race guns are usually S70, less parts to tune and less moving contact surfaces in the trigger assembly making for a "smoother" feel.
Nice E-series :)
I really like mine.
I've never shot a series 70. I do have a series 80 and I can only think if you can feel the firing pin safety in the trigger pull, it's probably just rough surfaces between the mechanical parts. Which you can smooth out yourself with some polishing, or just let it work itself out over time.
Thanks.
I agree with everything you just said. I do prefer the series 80 because of the drop safety but yes it can be a pain in the ass to get those parts back in there after working on it doing a trigger job for instance. As far as having too many moving parts to be reliable that is crazy. Just look at a Smith & Wesson revolver for instance, more moving parts than the 1911 and they are very, very reliable.
So are you going to reinstall the magazine safety on your High Power Pistols?
I work with a guy who is having a problem with the series 80. The lever that pushes the firing pin plunger up flops up and down. The gun can fire but sometimes the lever stays up and the slide won't cycle. You can shake and tap on the gun and that piece will fall back down and it will cycle. Have you heard of this? What do you think broke?
My math says 70 came first...lol great video keep the content up...
The series 70s pass all of the DOJ drop testing here in California. I know that because my LB 1911 is a series 70 and I'm in California. Good enough for me and i don't really care for the additional complication of the series 80. To each his own.
Braidy Fisher they pass because the firing pin is not steel, the replaced it with a titanium one to help them pass the drop testing, same way Springfield armory did for the same reason.
@@jimhans1 my rock island $500 1911 passed California's bullshit. No titanium anything. Sounds like you got got.
fluffykittynoodles sounds like I got got? What the ever loving fuck are you even talking about? If you look at the QUALITY 1911 makers, they almost always change firing pins in 1911s to titanium to assist in the drop tests. I’m not surprised the RIA guns don’t have them though, they aren’t a quality manufacturer! ;-)
Dude, relax. It was obviiusly a joke.
I have on series 80 a good friend and fellow Veteran who passed left to me. He did a trigger job and some internal polishing and switched some springs. I don't EDC it a lot for sentimental reasons. But it shoots groups almost as tight as my series 70 1911s and 2011s. Trigger is a little heavier with a very short reset. Think he set the trigger like that because it was his main EDC. But for a series 80 it's a fine carry 1911. Not a Camp Perry candidate but an excellent self defense 1911. Just my 0.2 😉
I ask again, why don't you carry your all metal Kahr Elite pistol?
i got bored earlier, so i learned the yankee marshall theme song on guitar
Those are technically braces not suspenders, but more importantly, the safety pins are what give you serious “old man” cred; much more than carrying a 1911.
Hey yankee do you have any dan Wesson 1911’s? If not will you be getting any
I just learned of this concept . I purchased a Smith and Wesson m&p 45 and never knew it was a series 80. The gun goes boom Everytime I pull the trigger. Period. I clean it regularly...I don't drop it. I'd stake my life on it which is why it is my carry weapon.
Straw hats and suspenders? Is that your Dr Hammond costume from Jurassic park for Halloween?
good video
If I remember correctly, a company with the word BROWN in its name at one time listed a "shim" of various thickness to replace the series 80 drop safety.
How the hell did that work?
my man, high five on the engrave sw1911, one of my best investment. Could you tell me the difference when u shoot compare to colt or springfield.
I too trust the Series 80 set up but not so much the Swartz version that actuates from the grip safety. I have personally experienced failures to fire as a result of the grip releasing the trigger but the drop safe plunger was not fully depressed. Thus click but no bang. The platforms were a first generation S&W 1911 and a Kimber Ultra CDP II. Anybody else experienced this?
Dear heavens that series 70 is beautiful
I love both my 70 and 80 series Colt Gold cup national match.
damn nice pistols
Good job!!! Who actually turned their phones or tablets to the side at the end of this video? I did!
Now that you carry a 1911 I think you might like the ATI FXH 45. It's a great carry 1911. Polymer lower. Really light but not snappy on the recoil. Shoots very flat. Almost everything is interchangeable with whatever 1911 parts you want to throw in it. I love mine. Also the series 70 is completely drop safe. The thing will break before it fires from a fall.
More parts= more possible failure points. Simple math...but it is a pretty low probability and the added security of the plunger safety is well worth it in a carry gun.
I bought a used Remington 1911 R1 at a gun show, took it to the range, and it wouldn't fire. I later discovered the Firing Pin Plunger Lever was broken, and the tip that raised the firing pin plunger was broken off. So those parts DO fail. If someone isn't careful to make sure the Firing Pin Plunger Lever is in the down position when simply putting the slide back on the tip of the Firing Pin Plunger Lever can be easily sheared off.
I’ve had a 1911 R1 since 2011 and never had that issue with the plunger and put thousands of rounds through it by this point. Sounds like the previous owner forced the slide and damaged the plunger, and sold it off when they couldn’t figure out why it wouldn’t fire. The plunger on mine always stays down, you’d have to physically pull it up and assemble the gun upside down for that to happen.