I remember someone got angry at me about my oc because she had a big chest and said that it’s unrealistic to which I said, ‘So I don’t exist then?’ I was blocked afterwards, well folks, I guess I don’t exist then
@@No-ok8or Thanks, but it still makes me laugh though that people complain about my OC having a big chest only for it to backfire as I have a big chest so they just resort to blocking me
one time when i got cancled on amino some people said that my art was unrealistic and that i "cant draw women" little did they know i was afab and literally traced over my own body
Ay reminds me of a time where a professor insulted my art: She had issues with the boob shape (pointy tits was her main issue), called it unrealistic ("no woman has that"), sexualised the nude body that was not at all in a sexual pose. I was baffled, because that was me, my boob and didn't know how to tell her.
On the topic of r34 art, I've met several people who have stated that they've gotten frustrated over how they can never find NSFW art of a character that was drawn accurately to the original design. They're either women with giant balloon titties, bubble butts, waxy skin, or dudes that look like they've been through 20+ volumes of a Bara comic. And that can be annoying to a lot of people because the reason they want to find NSFW art of a specific character was because they liked the *original* design. That's not to say that exaggeration and/or personal interpretations can't ever exist, but it's just hard for those who want an accurate depiction of the character to be shown, but are stuck in a sea of impossible muscles and basketball boobahs. As one person put it, "what's the point of looking up nsfw of a specific character if all of the art looks nothing like the character?" So yeah, though I don't think representation in sexy fanart is necessarily as important as officially licensed works, it can be nice to see once in a while. *TL;DR:* If you can find a NSFW artist that can draw a character accurately while still making them look like the hottest thing on earth, then you know they're a keeper.
@@HK47_115 not even necessarily fan art lmao. I play the Fire Emblem gacha game and where characters are drawn by different artist's to their original designer and deadass 9/10 times they end up with breasts a few sizes larger than they were originally designed with :^))
I agree with you completely. I indeed find unrealistic traits on NSFW art to be very annoying. Ive not the skill, but if you do - Draw The Characters Naked Body As The Characters Body Is Under Clothes.
Hey professional NSFW artist here. Just want to add that the whole thing about "sexy art is easy money" is a harmful stereotype that adds to the devaluing of NSFW art as a legitimate art form. Yes, porn is easier to sell than SFW art, but it is not the instant money bags access everyone likes to say it is. Thank you.
@Moth I'm good but certainly not god tier. I will say I have gotten pretty damn good at body fat distribution. Other than feet, I have found that to be the most challenging. Cuz not only do you need to know anatomy, but you then need to learn where fat builds on the body and how it interacts with gravity.
If I want to make a fish pirate that uses ice skates as a weapon I will make him hot and there is no stopping me! (Genuine character I used in my comic lmao)
I'm all fine with people making sexual art with adult characters, but there are definitely situations where it is weird and inappropriate. I have my own characters ranging through all sorts of expression, orientation, body shapes, and personalities- and designing alluring outfits can be very fun. The world is different when one doesn't really experience that kind of arousal, so my tastes are more based on if the art is aesthetically pleasing or if the art pushes my boundaries of comfort too much. However, giving grief to the artist is extremely unproductive so I just close the tab and move on with my merry lil' life.
I am a perfectly sexually functioning man and largely have NSFW art for the aesthetic value. I could be arroused by the Akagi in a bikini wallpaper on my computer if I wish, and I could also just look at it thinking how prety it is.
So even the Loli body type is totally cool then right? Or we gonna deny the existence of short, small women generally or ones with Dwarfism more specifically? What about women with incredibly youthful appearances as well, in all body types inculding those above? Gonna deny such women exist?
@@soulsurvivor8293 Well there are already dwarf women represented by many characters in hobbit. Harry Potter also did have dwarf women and from games there will be also few Baldurs franchise comes to mind and Witcher.
@@soulsurvivor8293yes when it doesn’t look like a child (like not having overly big eyes and a childish voice and just childish behavior and face in general) If it’s Moe art style it’s okay
I've been scared to draw myself irl because of people trying to censor people who have my chest. I want to freely to draw myself in real life or draw a character i make to have traits of myself that I am ashamed of having.
One thing I learned from life is to stop caring about what others think of what I do and instead do whatever I want with no shame, you only have one life, don't waste it by worrying about what other people think about you or what you do
Me, drawing them all as hot academics: An attractive character shouldn't be all about big chests and bulging muscles. If you ask me, there are a few factors in terms of aesthetically pleasing designs. You can make a character pretty without sexualising them. For example, one of my original characters, Zero (pfp dude), is supposed to be conventionally attractive and pretty much aware of his looks, although constrained by the setting's dress-code. Boy ended up wearing a coat, a collared shirt and a necktie. Still, a bunch of people who know the context, read the story and saw the art associated with the character simp for him. Contextually, this guy is supposed to be pretty for the plot, since his face got him out of a few situations and is also relevant to his backstory. However, creators should think about more than looks. Think about how they smile, how they carry themselves, AND then, after you've got your personality details done, think about how it relates to their looks, yada yada. Let's be realistic. If a character is hot, they'll probably know that they're, well, hot. People have told them There's no way they're oblivious to their face. BUT there are people who are both hot and smart. Stupid and ugly, too. I'm a living example: dumb and looking like a sewer rat. If you need your character's design to be overly sexualsied so we know they're attractive, then that's not a good chaarcter design. Feel free to start a debate in the replies.
Dude it took me so long to write this comment, since I forgot I was on the laptop and on my professional (business I guess) account and then I had to delete it an rewrite it on phone. OKAY. I had to say all that has been said in the above comment and I regret *nothing* .
The most attractive nsfw character would have large breast, buldging muscles, a plus sized but and an enormous pennis, dressed in a skimpy outfit of a firemen with a maid apron and headress. All tropes combined.
I’d say one exception to this is in regards to someone’s OC that they specifically DONT want sexualized. if anyone took my adult OC’s and sexualized them against my wishes, I’d be pretty pissed. Or if a character is an adult but cannot consent.
I've thought about that and I've wondered, what makes an individual artist different from a huge company in this case? I ask because there's absolutely no way people who sexualize Nintendo characters get permission to do it, and I highly doubt Nintendo is okay with it.
@@parmesanbrawler7183 In my opinion nothing, I personally think if you want to do NSFW art you should either draw it of characters whose creators are okay with it or make your own character, no matter if it's an individual or a company. I just find it really disrespectful to take someone's work and use it to fulfill one's fantasies. Tho that is just my own opinion on the matter and I'm also an asexual creator who doesn't want their characters to be sexualized, so I'm biased on this
I don’t personally like “sexy art” as I know the type of ppl it tends to attract......and I detest those ppl lol. I avoid those communities like the plague. But all that means for me is that I don’t engage w “sexy art” 😭😭 the ppl who feel like it’s their civic duty to make an artist feel bad for drawing something that they like confuse me lol
Tbh I wouldn't really consider Lora Croft to be overly sexy, just looks like something some one in hot weather would wear. That said my main issues with the "Omg that design is overly sexaul" complaints is that most of the time it just ends up body shaming women and continues tape culture by making in what some cases are comfortable or fun outfits being sexaul just cause it's on a grown ass woman
But a lot of the overly sxual designs are just completely unrealistic and would be extremely uncomfortable/revealing, I agree with if they're just comfortable clothing and it isn't being intentionally sxual, it shouldn't be called that. Like a lot of "armor" for female characters, her bobs will be half way out, her whole midsection showing, barely having the bottoms be bottoms and instead pnties, that's a problem imo. Also when their bobs are basically balloons, it's really unrealistic and can cause women to feel insecure about their own because they aren't perky and don't look like that, ik from personal experiences, it really made me upset with myself when I was a young teen developing
@@MartianCandies I disagree, cause one this still places blame on body type and dress for an issue that your parents caused, and has this expectation that cartoons have to be 100% realistic. Like there are irl women that have large breast either by genetics or body modification and there's women who like wearing bikini fantasy armor for fun. That said there is a need for more diverse designs in media, but we shouldn't be demonizing what's currently shown because that does have negative effects on irl women
@@GraveyardMaiden no women have balloons for breasts, even if they got a bob job none looks like that. It's not placing blame on body type at all, it's being realistic, I don't get that putting blame on body types. I do not see how that damages women at all to call out the unrealistic standards in art, like I don't get that at all. As a woman with a big chest, it's very unrealistic, bobs just don't look like that without a push up bra, and with the amount of side Bob, it's clear they aren't wearing one. It's not damaging women to ask for less sxualized characters that are just used as eye candy in the show/game/art, and have no more depth to their design or character than being sxualized.
@@GraveyardMaiden also for problems my parents caused??? Wtf?? I know what caused my problems, do not tell me about myself, that's just not cool at all and basically voids your point to me.
And this is why I like the designs in genshin, Gorou is a military general and he's wearing a crop top with all of his vital organs right there for the stabbing. All of the leaders in genshin? Hot powerful women that could step on me and I'd thank them all. Every character design is hot AND you can mostly tell what job they have, Roasaria is hot and you can tell she's a nun, you can tell Yae miko is a shrine maiden etc etc. edit: Love that I comment this and then the Sumeru leaks are... Edit 2: can yall stop arguing over fischl's age
@@themonarchofbaddecisionmak1405 Yes, but fischl is based on chuunibyuu, a term used to describe teens who have a grandiose self image. Plus she can't drink yet, which pretty firmly places her in minor territory.
Im tired of the argument " its unrealistic", because no duh, its art its not suppose to look real and why should it. A women character with a big chest and thin body, so what.
thats not the issue tbh. its just the fact that in society womens bodies are inherently viewed as sxual. as a woman who had to grow up through that as a child its hard to consume media of women that is ALWAAYS also sxual. like anime. female characters just never go as hard as the male one, and most of the time used as fan service, love intrest and eye candy. tbh, there should not be anything wrong with drawing women this way, but since alot of women are subjected to constant sexualization alot cant help but hate it or find it icky.
Except drawing it in the mainstream body and never drawing anything else is fetish as well. As a human being, one should be able to be sexually attracted towards the unconventional beauty instead of just the mainstream one, and too much of the same thing is not healthy for the brain too. Though really, I just wish there was no fetishization at all, literally, just... All those man should just detox from their porn-binging days.
@@VOlDNOVAno, the things that are considered fetishes and are related to body are: fat fetishes, pedophilia, zoophilia and anything else of the like, the reason why fat is a fetish is because it is a form of sexual attraction caused in the same way as your average fetish (seeing a lot of it as a child, even if it weirds you out it will still cause the fetish)
Here’s a reason I don’t draw sexy men. I don’t draw men like 99% of the time. I think the main reason for that is I’m a female and I know the female anatomy better then the male anatomy.
Me glancing at my mostly sexy male collection of OCs: "Welps I guess I'm doing something right." I think its important to note that a character doesn't have to show more skin in order to be sexy, but having them show more skin can express more about their character and how they express themselves with their outfit. Being sexy should never be something to be shamed for.
I came across an artist that both complained about their art teacher saying that Anime isn't real art on one breath, then said that lewds weren't art in the same conversation.
Sexy is not and will never be a crime. Edit: as long as I get more ladies in armor and more men in bathing suits. Gotta have a perfect balanced diet ❤️
Would you go so far as, say, Batman in just a leather codpiece, gloves, and boots? (That black leather utility belt would accessorize him quite nicely, and some EVOO on his exposed and subtly lighted skin would make him delish man-candy for those in the audience seeking man-candy :) )
"Let people be hot and smart or dumb and not conventionally attractive" Yes I agree! You don't have to be average-looking in order to be smart. Not saying average-looking characters should be stupid of course. As you said, don't make such things mutually exclusive. It has to be a variety. It's sadly a popular belief that we are either hot or smart and cannot be both that if someone looks attractive, they must be stupid and brainless. People often lump beauty and stupidity together and often assume there's a correlation when there isn't.
There definitely isn’t always a correlation but there’s always a possibility of them having correlation with some people, same with characters who might be hot and smart or dumb and ugly
A sexy female fish only makes sense if you do the same to the male fish (this is not a moral judgement, this is a critique of a common art style inconsistency causing characters to look out of place)
Oglaf made a joke about that, where all the nonhuman males started killing human men because they looked like Male versions of their females and it enraged them.
Another frustrating point is that the artists who make that kind of work are associated as being creepy weirdo pervs. And are MOST OF THE TIME. actually super chill.
pretty much agree with your sentiment regarding individual vs professional art and the sexism that exists in female objectification in most character design. you can do whatever you want but if its on a product meant for people to pay to consume, then i think people have a right to criticize what they like and dont like in the designs etc. a distinct 2 groups that should have different standards. what im personally not a fan of is how these sexualized drawings have become so normal that theres hardly a way to filter out the sexy but modest pinup-esque art versus like, extreme fetish art for kinksters, and that children online will and have been subjected to it because no one pumps the breaks anymore. im very pro sexual expression and greatly prefer drawing conventionally attractive people being sexy, but i find it kind of upsetting that no media can be released anymore without thousands of nsfw and fetish artists instantly releasing some straight up pornography despite no genital or sexual acts drawn out, and when people draw say mario characters, guess what will just show up on google and other search engines within apps. go ahead and google sonic right now and it wont take you long until something you didnt want to see pops up. i dont know if this is relevant of an opinion to you since its sort of a slightly connected but not the main focus argument but i am so passionate about this topic specifically it would be fun to maybe hear you talk about that too. oh and more just bc i cant structure a sentence to save my life but from what ive seen when we have different online circles, people shit on artists like sakimi-chan for drawing her sexy art because she sexualizes minor characters and does the whole aging up thing to seem less problematic i suppose, and thats another argument i personally have against artists that draw sexy stuff because they just never seem to know when to quit it before they go too far. again, nothing wrong with explicit art in general, but theres a huge overlap with explusively sexy/nsfw artists to also draw some genuinely concerning stuff, and in relation to what i said before, gets it spread like wildfire and normalized because there is not a big enough discussion about porn addiction and the downsides of constantly exclusively engaging/creating in only sexy/nsfw content. its become sort of a meme for rule34 art or "hentai" to be seen as cursed yet sexy thing to consume, but no one really steps back to think about how fetish porn (often with harmful content and little to no real sex education) has become such a desensitized topic that people online feel entitled to their sexy content and anyone criticisng it is a sjw or something lol. otherwise fun video as always, thanks for reading if anyone had the energy to get thru all that LOL
I’ve seen three assassin/spy characters I actually liked the outfits of. 1. She wore a school uniform because she was a student, and just about everyone else wore one. Only a few of them didn’t. 2. She wore a crop-top and long skirt with a slit in it, but she only wore it once. Hilariously, she wore that outfit to kill her father. 3. Gray and blue….clothes. I don’t know how to describe it. It wasn’t crazy, and she could fight it in. It wasn’t over the top or insane, it was just an outfit.
I've drawn big hongamaloos on multiple occasions and people have gotten mad at me but, a) the characters are adults and b) it's my friend's dnd PC. Whomst possesses a large chest. Cannonically. And And they also draw them like that
The only issue I personally have with Sakimichan's art is how fisheyed and warped the body proportions have become. But that's just personal preference! She's clearly very talented, and anyone attacking her or artists like her likely don't really understand the art community and how hard it can be to make money. Is she pandering? Sure! Is that really a condemnable thing? No, not at all 😅 Also, you're hilarious, and Double-Trouble is a non-binary secksy gecko from She-Ra
She isnt necessarily pandering to anyone. I am a woman, a PLUS SIZE woman, who often draws busty skinny women simply because I like to. Anyone who tries to condemn her for that (which I'm saying generally, not at you) is a hypocrite. Unless she is literally fatphobic (which honestly has nothing to do with art itself) I don't see how drawing busty skinny women is wrong. They exist, lol. The real problem with society is how skinny busty womens body types is NORMALIZED and how other body types are disliked. Which again really has nothing to do with art itself. We should take issue with actual slites against other body types, NOT for people drawing things they want to draw lol. I of course would like to see representation of all races, genders, body types, etc in media, but with the internet I think there is something out there for all of us.
My biggest laugh with sakimichan is when she accidentally draws hands with 6 fingers but her art is so heavily rendered that people don't even notice lol not personally a fan of her work (not my taste) but idc I think there's bigger criticism of her to be had rather than her art work.
In my personal opinion, not even larger companies/professionals (like Disney ex.) should be held accountable to make representation of/for other people. Even they are their own artist and just because they now make lots of money/have lots of viewers, doesn't mean they /have/ to make a bunch of representation. Not to mention, if you hold other people to make the representaiton you (general people who do) want then you'll only let yourself down when the representation isn't sastifying. Again, even though an artist may have shot into stardom doesn't remove the fact they are still an artist and they make what they wish. We, the public, can like or dislike it as we wish and not forced to continue if we desire sometihng else. Personal belief, if you truly want representation of you then make it yourself. Only you know how you want to be represented and only you can do it right by you. As well, it's an open market if nobody else is willing to do it. As the saying goes- It's better to just do it yourself in the end. Other opinion (general opinion on topic not specifically what you said)- When it comes to sexualized males and females, it comes with a bag of comlexity with it. In whole, my sexual appeal does not speak for the trees which is everybody on this planet. As a woman, I am openly in love with sexy badass women like the champions listed. I love playing as them, their design and want to dress like them. So the arguement that many make that it's only for the male gaze, is ignoring that there are women who do genuinely love this sort of thing and sexy design females shouldn't be covered/removed. Having more sexy designed men wouldn't be bad either, but I find to be much more picky when it comes to how the sex appeal for men is handled compared to female. Though, I believe the arguement is in the wrong place. Many have the opinion that sexy women should be removed/covered in gaming, but truth be told the focus should be just adding casual designed women alongside sexy women- as well sexy men alongside casual dressed men. Have more Illoi and Jinx body types along side the Akali, MF and Ahri bodytypes- do the whole range in between! As for Lizzo, sure have more of that body types for females, but I wouldn't find them very sexy and same goes for men. Just personally over all prefer healthy body types. lmao
I think the main problem when it comes to those who get offended by sexy art, mostly stems from insecurities or shame. We all have to conform to something that can make others uncomfortable, even though it makes a profit; and maybe we’ve been those people who are told that sex in media is evil and should either not be shared to minors or condemn ourselves via religion or whatever. So whenever they see a sexy art piece that’s completely off the norm of the original media they came from, their instinct is to correct it with what is canon. (Not exaggerate the proportions, no out of character behavior, degrading depictions, etc.)
@@GodviahhExactly it’s all fake at the end of the day it’s a fragment of someone’s imagination (the artist) and I believe artists should be able to draw whatever they want art should be fun not complicated
thats not the issue tbh. its just the fact that in society womens bodies are inherently viewed as sxual. as a woman who had to grow up through that as a child its hard to consume media of women that is ALWAAYS also sxual. like anime. female characters just never go as hard as the male one, and most of the time used as fan service, love intrest and eye candy. tbh, there should not be anything wrong with drawing women this way, but since alot of women are subjected to constant sexualization alot cant help but hate it or find it icky.
@@ShabreaChandler thats not the issue tbh. its just the fact that in society womens bodies are inherently viewed as sxual. as a woman who had to grow up through that as a child its hard to consume media of women that is ALWAAYS also sxual. like anime. female characters just never go as hard as the male one, and most of the time used as fan service, love intrest and eye candy. tbh, there should not be anything wrong with drawing women this way, but since alot of women are subjected to constant sexualization alot cant help but hate it or find it icky. its not just fake, its the media we consume of our gender.
There is a 4th category of people who hate this (lewd fanart)... Intellectual Property Owners. People who ask that NSFW fanart of their series not be made but go ignored. Corporations with family friendly reputations like Nintendo. NSFW artists are often profiting off characters they do not own.
I agree with everything you said. I would also like to say that I am a big supporter in the "draw more sexy men" movement. I myself draw a lot of hot men cuz I'm gay
I'm of the opinion that no one owns you representation a small, big or even professional artist. Everyone makes the art they want if you want something commission an artist to do it. There are plenty of artist who write, draw, animate for a right price. If you want to create something find an artist to do it. The same point stands with popular media like films, comics and other stuff. Don't nag people to include LGBT or people of color or whatever just because you want it. (The whole other point is when poc and LGBT are in those media but are portrayed terribly or are just a token characters. That is disgusting and I am for criticizing creators if they do that shit)
Yep, though the mystery lays on about the fact that is very difficult to find an artist that accepts drawing hefty characters. I won't talk about LGBT because there are plenty of those if you look at the OC fandom.
Big complaint I have is just properly tagging stuff. I find unwanted sexy characters appearing on my Twitter feed or in my action anime supposedly for young boys really annoying. If you want to make the art sexy, go ahead, just, mark it as NSFW and we won't have a problem.
The people who feel strongly about about underrepresentation are the ones who have moral responsibility for them. No one is responsible for anyone else's feelings, or owes anyone anything. However, I'm full on in support of screaming from the rooftops for equally sexy outfits for men! >:3
I think you hit the nail on the head. I honestly love making characters who are both sexy and capable regardless of gender. Right now my favorite oc actually is nonbinary and is written to be sexy and smart and I love them a lot
i think its amazing how people complain that there are more sexy art of woman than man, but their solution in their mind is to draw less or none sexy art of woman... hell, learn how to draw and draw lewd art of man! imagine wasting tons of hours, years of your life learning how to draw, then, someone else think they are entitled to decide what you do with your hands. there are more art of sexy woman than sexy man because man like to consume this type of stuff more than woman do, the fact that no one is asking for more sexualized man just prove that. woman arent the target audience of such art, and no one in the world will create a product for an demand that dont exists. imagine if man tried to dictate what woman can and cant enjoy? i dont like fashion magazines, so remove all of then from the stores! i dont like cute things so stop producing then! its the exactly same thing! (i do like cute stuff btw, that was just an example of stuff that are rare for man to like compared to woman)
I think Lola has a point to be like that since she represented that type of women using appeal seeking richy guys and manipulate them in the world based on mafia film stereotypes. Anyway thank you for the cool video!
I love these videos so much, I always get so excited when I see a new upload! It’s so interesting to hear about topics that I haven’t really looked that much into and have them be explained in detail while also getting to watch gorgeous art being made
I think the thing is, if people try saying you are ugly, or not attractive, it's perfectly fine to say "fuck that, yes I am". But to tell society, "You're not allowed to find this sexy", or "you must find this attractive" is absurd. trying to tell society as a whole what is attractive is crazy.
The thing with people being told to "find certain things attractive" is that... If you look at history, the attractiveness in female body types have been changing a lot, and very quickly at that. Though its not always as they think that that body type is now attractive because they do, but instead, they really where coerced to believe that that is the ultimate beauty standard. Why and how? Just watch the rich people's patterns and compare it to the trends over the years. The rich women make the propaganda and sell their own body shapes as the most beautiful in the world, and the low budget girls have either to try their best to follow it or be considered ugly. And yes, today, beauty is still considered a very high product to have, probably more than ever. Back then, beautiful and healthy-looking girls would be sold for marriage and family ties, right now its not very different, if you look at high-end families, they still want their daughters to marry a rich guy instead of any nobody that "will make her life miserable" (as in, will force her to live a low budget life like a factory worker) or leech her parents.
@@VOlDNOVA my thing is the "being told part" they can offer up something but if people don't want it it won't be sold. it's like a chicken or the egg question. so is the beauty standard the standard because someone set it, or is it set because that's what the majority of people liked? obviously advertising can sway a bit but it doesn't matter how much you try to sell me a turd sandwich i'm not gonna want it. i mean shallow hal fucking told this story years ago. if everyone in the world told you someone you found attractive wasn't, would you care?
A lot of series needs "context" to explain their design as well the general intention on why they are made for, so the design makes sense. There are three series (anime) where I can argue that has more sexualization towards the male characters than the female characters. The first one isn't that apparently obvious, it's Seven Deadly sins. Yes, despite how many panty/buttshots and as well as close ups to female breasts. There are actually far more handsome well suited muscular men in the show. The Holy knight trio are great examples of it, three types of handsome muscular men, one of a overall gentleman looking one, a more free spirited loudmouth one, and a big beefy man who has a gentle heart, that protects more than fighting. Then there are the sins themselves, sure Gowther isn't technically a man, since he was created with a frame to look like the lover of his creator. King/Harlequin has a baby-face, but when he gets his full wings he has the very much apparent pretty boy face and hair. Meliodas also has a baby-face, but shown to be very muscular to show he is a fully grown adult. Ban, literally the definition of looking like a bad boy type. Then we have Escanor, literally a 10 and half feet tall man with a sexy mustache and muscles no living man can ever compare themselves to. Also he mostly shown himself being shirtless. (Obviously because he is both huge and ripped.) So already it is more appropriate they play generally on both ends when it comes to Seven Deadly sins, just that women have more reason to drool over than guys though. The other two are much more obvious. Baki and Jojo's bizarre adventures. Literally Chad muscular dudes duking it out in either absurd as well brutal ways. Probably less with Baki since the show does have so much brutality that women may not like watching it for too long.
@@phobiaxz Last time I checked since did women in general like watching guys brutality beating each other to the point of body mutilation consistently in the show like Baki? I never said women won't watch it, just that the majority wouldn't want to watch that plane in simple.
@@DangerDan64 that goes for men, too, though. I dont think any of my guy friends would want to watch that. gore tastes have just about nothing to do with gender is all.
@@DangerDan64 young boys. thats like completely unrelated to the conversation, but oh well. Hope u have a nice day dude, enjoy summer or whatever it is where you are 👍
For me, I sometimes exaggerate the body types. I remember when I was little I made a character with a small chest and thick thighs because that was my favorite body type and then a random lady said that it’s to unrealistic. I stopped drawing that body type for a long time until now when I realize that it isn’t wrong to draw my ocs the way I want.
thank you for support, i needed this. all my life i see people who ban p*rn and hate sexy art, writing hate comments under sexy art and blame those who draw that. i always wanted to be a NSFW artist, but people seem to be only interested in SFW stuff. about a year ago i found a small group of people who do not hate that, but i still have HUGE complexes. i am 29, and all my life i saw only hate for erotica. trying to move forward to follow my dreams, but i am literally tired of people that were surrounding me.
I'm so glad this is not just a "artist can draw whatever they want, no one cares" kind if opinion. so happy that you covered the toxic parts of that mentality, even though i personally hate changing characters to make them more "conventionally sexy" but then again, this is my personal opinion that can be solved by the magic option of "show me less posts like this" on most social media
No Im gona have to disagree with you. Professional artists also should not be dictated with what they should make. Art is still art and they should express themselves freely, not under any quota.
I’d rather have that people if drawing sexual art of a real person, should ask for consent. I’d be hard to ask celebrities but most of them have social media, ask on a q&a or something.
People have always complimented my art because (other than nsfw commissions) I’ve never drawn anything sexual. I didn’t know how to draw booba until recently. I hated the fact I couldn’t draw that because not all women are flat (including me when I identified as a woman). I follow many nsfw artists, who just make it because they can, and I love their art styles, and they were a big ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) help in learning how to draw booba.
Pfft, I almost spit out my coffee when you threw in hot Rosalina instead of Peach because honestly- I guess we agree on this one, she was my go-to character in Mario Kart for that exact reason XD Was also really surprised I knew like all of the references made in the video today, with all of the LoL art and Lara Croft design.
I don’t have any personal issue with nsfw art, but what about artists that flock to that aesthetic because they know it will get them attention and money more easily? Is it worth selling out and not pursuing their true passion? This is a paradox I see very frequently
I see this mentality a lot and I wonder why? How is it selling out? And what business is it to anyone else, if they do NSFW or any other types of art to pay the bills? People do art for a lot of different reasons. Not all artists are out to change the world with their art, many do it because they like it and enjoy what they draw and can make a living off of it. There is nothing wrong with that. Just trying to understand why this mentality exists.
I recently changed the body type of one of my OCs. I went from petite yet somehow well endowed, to short and stout. She's an aspiring business owner that wants to open her own bakery alongside her himbo big brother
9:56 I'm pretty sure a lot of people dislike her design, which is fine, but I think Momo Yaoyorozu from MHA is the same way. She's one of the top students in her class and (at least in the manga) helped some other students study. She's got good memory and is quite strong, yet is also.. designed in such a way that you can tell it was purposely provocative (and the author included some moments with momo that let you tell this was purposeful, it is a shonen after all lol.)
7:33 YES! YES! I'VE BEEN SAYING THIS FOR YEARS! True equality isn't to stop objectifying your female characters, the solution is to objectify _all_ of your characters! I am literally drawing my AMAB genderfluid incubus a-hole of a dork flirting with someone in a bar and I refuse to hold back.
Big hips is literally realistic, and it’s the same for big chests. With big hips that’s literally how it works and there is always a small chance of them becoming bigger than they should and with a big chest it’s literally got a way higher chance than no chest
thats not the issue tbh. its just the fact that in society womens bodies are inherently viewed as sxual. as a woman who had to grow up through that as a child its hard to consume media of women that is ALWAAYS also sxual. like anime. female characters just never go as hard as the male one, and most of the time used as fan service, love intrest and eye candy. tbh, there should not be anything wrong with drawing women this way, but since alot of women are subjected to constant sexualization alot cant help but hate it or find it icky.
@@dobbiereals i agree with you, it's a shame that women's body it's always sexualised no matter the context. I made the original comment one year ago, but I can definitely see why, to some people, art like this can give the ick. Thank u for sharing ur opinion and ur point of view☺️ sorry if my comment seemed mean in some sort of way i didn't mean it like that
@@dobbiereals I think you might have not realised the type of anime your watching The genre id expect that to be in are shounen and Seinen, which have a target demographic of men and the women in them are oversexualized, yes, but that’s (to my knowledge) related to how japan doesn’t really have as bad a problem with sexual things (ignoring tourists) as many other places do. Also fan service is probably why the animators still have those jobs and the reason men aren’t sexualised is because there aren’t as many women who would enjoy that sort of thing as there are men who do, because men are horny bc of the same kind of hormone that relates to anger
@@SoloAnima1 its just pretty much any anime. Japanese media in general. there gender roles are different there, that's is how women are viewd in Japan and even here tbh. Japan also has bad issue with sxul crime from what ive learned but you can research that if you want. anyways, sxul media isnt the problem and i get the demanded for it, its just society that's the problem.
It's true that most artists draw beautiful women, But I don't see why we should consider it a problem. Supply follows the demand. There's only enough "diverse" commissions to feed a handful of artists. The rests are doomed to draw attractive people.
this may be my incorrect opinion, but i think most games that make use of the "sex sells" motto are strictly aiming for a purely male demographic. they make women unreasonably under equipped to show skin while they give men cool armour and weapons to look like a badass. fan service that was never meant to get directed for the female fandom or the fandom aiming for balance either.
on a slightly different note, as a straight male who's as dense as dark matter, i can't even guess as to what could make a decent equivalent for female fan service. from what i understand, muscular men might even be more "attractive" to other men, not necessarily in a sexual way but the "badass" way. i'm not interested in muscles, but i have seen comics portraying stories of guys getting buff for attracting women only to get surrounded by fellow bodybuilders complimenting them on their manliness instead.
Re:Sakimi-chan ... My issue, as a writer, is that artists are allowed to do fuck-all with copyright infringement (up to and including porn of copyrighted characters) and make obscene amounts of money off of it, where an author could easily be sued into the next century if their source of inspiration is not from the early 20th century or earlier. The completely different rules for two equally creative and demanding careers are ... a little maddening.
And than you have things like fanfiction and doujinji that thread the fine line between fanart and writing, and can make you money without beeing sued over it. (The later more so than the first, I think I heard only of three situations where someone sold their fanfics...one of them beeing fifty shades of gray xD )
Moral issues with that aside, the other primary issue is copyright infringement. Artists have the option of a career cop-out by piggybacking other people's work and IPs. Legally, however, it is still blatant infringement. Fan art is fine, in and of itself. It can and should exist freely like fanfiction, because it makes a great sandbox to hone your skills in. Making a profit off of other people's work is ethically dubious on the best of days. It being a visual medium versus a written medium does not change that fact. If you're perceiving jealousy, that's probably projection.
The problem is that the writer shouldn't be as limited for their source of inspiration, it stops iteration and art advances trough iteration, it stagnates art. Not saying that copyright should be abolished, just returned to more reasonable expiration dates so an adult artist can reasonably be inspired by things they saw in their childhood for example. Thats ample time and lends itself very well for writers and other artists to have a wider net of inspiration sources.
I mainly draw enby characters, and I like to make pretty much all my characters sexy/hot/pretty. I think it is fun to make characters look unrealistically pretty. Luckilly I have yet to meet any negative comments regarding how I design characters. I do imagine if I had a following, my designs would have me instantly cancelled.
From my perspective, I don't mind NSFW art or how artists draw their characters but also fan art of franchises like Dragon Ball to DC Comics as long as the characters are adults. But I hate that a lot of people are being sensitive of NSFW art like any lingerie to fetishes instead of focusing on issues that matter like art theft to AI art. Besides, I don't mind artists drawing female characters being sexy regardless of species like humans to mermaids or Saiyans.
Reason why drawing characters who fight melee hot and unarmed is a good idea: it shows that if the character survives the fight the character should be feared
16:03 That’s my problem, to me you assume it’s sexism by default and not just how the artist rolls. You cannot assume sexist intentions apon people by merit of how they draw their women. It feels like unecessary policing of people who committed no wrong but are assumed to. It takes nuance out of a nuanced discussion and painting it as black and white. I’m sorry if that wasn’t your intention but the way you spoke came off that way.
Yeah, I agree. There's nothing wrong with finding one body type as attractive more and not the other, it's not the same thing as saying one body type is objectively more attractive than the other or flat-out patronizing someone for having a body type you're not attracted to. It's called a preference.
One thing that heavily rubbs me the wrong way comes from the Dead By Daylight community and sexualising one of the Legion members Susie and the main reason it rubs me the wrong way is that she's in high school, and heavily implied if not confirmed to be a minor since she's a sophomore while the other Legion members are confirmed to be around 19 which is above the age of consent and you all can sexualise the adult characters and I really wouldn't care but characters who are minors should not be sexualised. But to be fair I'm pretty sure most the fandom knows this and avoids making NSFW of Susie but the small minority that still Sexualises her is usually looked down upon
8:23 i just simply disagree. Fiora isnt a First class Captain in the Army of Demacia, an army against all things magic who puts on Petricite armor (a material that absorbs magic) to shield themselves against it and against other dangerous forces like the noxus legion. Fiora is just the face of her family legacy, House Laurent, if she becomes a soldier for demacia she would be wearing the same armor as Garen. in Legends of runeterra there is a character named cithria who becomes a demacian soldier and shes decked out in armor. Akali and zed are both assassins yes. akali in game specifically says in game all she needs is her pack and weapons. zed uses what he can to get an advantage over anyone that gets in his way. Before she started refuting her masters lessons, Akali was taught by Master Shen and he doesn't wear much armor either. Shen and Zed used to be partners before zed begin his dark quest for power, the way they are both designed was to show how much they disagree with the other and it also reflects that within akali who also disagreed with shen but she doesn't agree with zeds ideals either. miss fortune and gangplank....... ok touche you got me there.
I really enjoy drawing NSFW art, will that and some funny memes on main. But oh boy, when we're talking about earning money trough art commissions, on my much bigger main art account the only time I got a person interested was them wanting to buy art for ingame currency... While on my NSFW account I can't even properly open commissions because I always have people coming in asking me to work on theirs and I always have some things to work on. While this is not even close to be my main source of income, I can't blame any artist for "selling out", not to mention that NSFW art still takes effort, a lot of effort and knowledge, it's probably what gave me much better understanding of anatomy and perspective. When it's not just your hobby, but a source of income, there is really no harm in doing things that simply sells better.
I don't see the problem with drawing tatas, they're literally normal and those people are just dirty minded. It's social media that makes people think differently. As long as the characters are adults, I don't see the problem with it.
This is reminding me of an episode of Pokémon sun and moon where ash and a island kahuna where swimming but the kahuna was swimming IN HEALS and it made me laugh so goddamn hard, but ash was also swimming in shoes so I guess it’s okay
i think female assassins vs male assassins being less or more clothed depends on what is their primary approach to assassination as a whole. lets pick an female desert assassin, if she does her assassinations while dancing or stripping makes sense to her have less and more revealing clothes clothes, while if she did her assassinations in the open she would need proper clothing to protect her from the sun a probably to cover her face so no one knew who she is. some league designs are very old and at the time they were just trying to hook you to keep playing their game so they would just lap an cleavage on anything if possible, katarina is just the classic sexy female assassin and at the time riot wasnt really tring to break the mold, they were just going with the flow i think, some of the newer characters have more interesting designs that have more sense at least. loved the vid!
The way I view "skin" in art is showing how vulnerable a character is or how vulnerable a character is being with another character and most of the time in media that's not what they're using it for. It's either fan service at least and at most it can be detrimental to the people watching.
Don't get me wrong I completely believe that sometimes skin is warranted and can even help the viewer experience that vulnerability with the character such as stories like berserk. But usually unless the character is supposed to be in a very very vulnerable position which also shouldn't be overused or the character is naturally showing off their body showing that they don't care what people think but other than that I completely believe that it can really suck a person out of the experience if you're showing it all the gosh darn time.
Well, it actually makes sense for an assassin to not wear armor. They're supposed to kill without being seen. They aren't supposed to get into sword fights where they need armor. And it actually makes more sense to not wear armor and wear casual clothes to not stand out in a crowd. Or wear clothes that are sexualized so they aren't thought of as a threat.
I agree with you that bikini armor is stupid and people should largely be drawn realistically, but I think its fine to sexualize only one gender in a scene if thats what the scene is about, just make it make sense. Eddit: and I completely agree with making everyone sexy, if by sexy you mean attractive not neceserally sexual.
I also don't like when animals are made with human anatomy features, but Lola seems like some kind of furry to me and I find furries and animals completly different. I am still jealous about artists who can make their characters atractive or scary or both. But I don't draw anymore XD
I just had a thought, like, how making a character’s design unrealistic to their abilities to emphasize the unrealistic abilities of that character can be misunderstood as sexualizing. I probably worded that badly but an example is making a character that is combat specialized, like a military commander, warrior, or assassin, wear very little, mostly in terms of protection, to show their skill in being on the same level or stronger than another character with protection. Pretty much giving a character an obvious disadvantage to show their skill, because Their skill/strength overrules the disadvantage. Though, there are PLENTY of ways to do this in representing it through clothing that are more effective and easier to understand, and also less uncomfortable when it goes wrong. Not really a big point though just a thought, like most comments.
I don't dislike art with too much titty. I do however dislike it when I only see art who's goal is to look pretty. Kinda makes the art start to feel like it doesn't have a soul.
6:00 um no? Professionals should also draw what they want. They shouldn't have to think about changing their ideal vision for the sake of others. Professionals are people too.
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I remember someone got angry at me about my oc because she had a big chest and said that it’s unrealistic to which I said, ‘So I don’t exist then?’ I was blocked afterwards, well folks, I guess I don’t exist then
Nono! I promise you exist, even if your chest size has its own gravitational pull, you exist, and we love you
I their argument bounced off and backfired. They no longer exist
@@No-ok8or
Thanks, but it still makes me laugh though that people complain about my OC having a big chest only for it to backfire as I have a big chest so they just resort to blocking me
@@lunathegamer 😂 that sounds both funny, and a little sad. Who is your OC? Is there a name I could search up to find it?
@@No-ok8or
Her name is Luna, I sometimes post art of her in discord servers I’m in
one time when i got cancled on amino some people said that my art was unrealistic and that i "cant draw women" little did they know i was afab and literally traced over my own body
Ay reminds me of a time where a professor insulted my art: She had issues with the boob shape (pointy tits was her main issue), called it unrealistic ("no woman has that"), sexualised the nude body that was not at all in a sexual pose.
I was baffled, because that was me, my boob and didn't know how to tell her.
@@judit5173 i was gonna add onto this but its a little much lol
@@judit5173 If I where in your stead I would have said - "Dude. Thats literally a photorealistic drawing of my boobs..."
@@Prostreetsburnoutparadise Yes thats exactly what they where doing. This is why we should laugh at them.
BWAHAHA WTH
On the topic of r34 art, I've met several people who have stated that they've gotten frustrated over how they can never find NSFW art of a character that was drawn accurately to the original design. They're either women with giant balloon titties, bubble butts, waxy skin, or dudes that look like they've been through 20+ volumes of a Bara comic.
And that can be annoying to a lot of people because the reason they want to find NSFW art of a specific character was because they liked the *original* design. That's not to say that exaggeration and/or personal interpretations can't ever exist, but it's just hard for those who want an accurate depiction of the character to be shown, but are stuck in a sea of impossible muscles and basketball boobahs.
As one person put it, "what's the point of looking up nsfw of a specific character if all of the art looks nothing like the character?" So yeah, though I don't think representation in sexy fanart is necessarily as important as officially licensed works, it can be nice to see once in a while.
*TL;DR:* If you can find a NSFW artist that can draw a character accurately while still making them look like the hottest thing on earth, then you know they're a keeper.
That's fan art for you. The same goes for SFW content too. People gonna make *THEIR* art how *THEY* want it.
@@HK47_115 not even necessarily fan art lmao. I play the Fire Emblem gacha game and where characters are drawn by different artist's to their original designer and deadass 9/10 times they end up with breasts a few sizes larger than they were originally designed with :^))
I feel like I’m the one draws diverse bodies, sexy or not for nsfw, meanwhile I sometimes draw sexy people walking their dog or smth like that
I agree with you completely. I indeed find unrealistic traits on NSFW art to be very annoying. Ive not the skill, but if you do - Draw The Characters Naked Body As The Characters Body Is Under Clothes.
THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU!! 😭
Also the creator of Mario made a tweet that said "just saw a picture of Mario and Luigi kissing. Please don't do that" lmfao
I mean ain't they siblings?? I would be pissed too lmaoo
whaaa i thought that tweet was fake
@@__-_. nah I don't think it was lmao
@@Benedetta-Marcarini lmfao righttt
Lmao weak
Hey professional NSFW artist here.
Just want to add that the whole thing about "sexy art is easy money" is a harmful stereotype that adds to the devaluing of NSFW art as a legitimate art form. Yes, porn is easier to sell than SFW art, but it is not the instant money bags access everyone likes to say it is.
Thank you.
@Moth I'm good but certainly not god tier. I will say I have gotten pretty damn good at body fat distribution. Other than feet, I have found that to be the most challenging. Cuz not only do you need to know anatomy, but you then need to learn where fat builds on the body and how it interacts with gravity.
@Moth You got it.
@Moth lol all good and happy to share!
agreed, based on experience commissioning both sfw and nsfw and flurry
But that's what the internet is for.
I will make all my male characters look like strippers and no one can stop me.
If I want to make a fish pirate that uses ice skates as a weapon I will make him hot and there is no stopping me! (Genuine character I used in my comic lmao)
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@@kurapikakurta1997 link me the comic it looks good
JoJo’s bizarre adventure in a nutshell
*looks over at my list of OCs that are 75% sexy men, mainly DILFs because I love making and drawing that* Uhhh… I guess I’ll keep going then?
Realize most of your characters are sexy- panic
Realize 75% of them are grown men- calm
Draw however you want, whatever you want, as long as it isn't a real person you can sexualize it however you want
Definitely keep going
Oh you can DEFINITELY keep going!
Oh you can DEFINITELY keep going!
I'm all fine with people making sexual art with adult characters, but there are definitely situations where it is weird and inappropriate. I have my own characters ranging through all sorts of expression, orientation, body shapes, and personalities- and designing alluring outfits can be very fun.
The world is different when one doesn't really experience that kind of arousal, so my tastes are more based on if the art is aesthetically pleasing or if the art pushes my boundaries of comfort too much. However, giving grief to the artist is extremely unproductive so I just close the tab and move on with my merry lil' life.
Which situations do you think its weird and inappropriate?
@@phobiaxz situations where the character is a minor would be innapropriate, or l*lis and sh*tas. I think thats what they meant
@@phobiaxz basically anything gross, illegal, and morally wrong like with minors, zoophilia/non humanoid animals, non-con, etc.
this
I am a perfectly sexually functioning man and largely have NSFW art for the aesthetic value. I could be arroused by the Akagi in a bikini wallpaper on my computer if I wish, and I could also just look at it thinking how prety it is.
breast shaming is not okay. Any body type can be sexy. Shaming a popular body type instead of just go support other types is the problem
So even the Loli body type is totally cool then right?
Or we gonna deny the existence of short, small women generally or ones with Dwarfism more specifically?
What about women with incredibly youthful appearances as well, in all body types inculding those above?
Gonna deny such women exist?
🎶Fat fetishes🎶
@@soulsurvivor8293 Well there are already dwarf women represented by many characters in hobbit.
Harry Potter also did have dwarf women and from games there will be also few Baldurs franchise comes to mind and Witcher.
@@soulsurvivor8293yes when it doesn’t look like a child (like not having overly big eyes and a childish voice and just childish behavior and face in general)
If it’s Moe art style it’s okay
I've been scared to draw myself irl because of people trying to censor people who have my chest. I want to freely to draw myself in real life or draw a character i make to have traits of myself that I am ashamed of having.
One thing I learned from life is to stop caring about what others think of what I do and instead do whatever I want with no shame, you only have one life, don't waste it by worrying about what other people think about you or what you do
Fear not. Insults literally do nothing. Just surround yourself with people who like you.
Me, drawing them all as hot academics:
An attractive character shouldn't be all about big chests and bulging muscles. If you ask me, there are a few factors in terms of aesthetically pleasing designs.
You can make a character pretty without sexualising them. For example, one of my original characters, Zero (pfp dude), is supposed to be conventionally attractive and pretty much aware of his looks, although constrained by the setting's dress-code. Boy ended up wearing a coat, a collared shirt and a necktie. Still, a bunch of people who know the context, read the story and saw the art associated with the character simp for him.
Contextually, this guy is supposed to be pretty for the plot, since his face got him out of a few situations and is also relevant to his backstory.
However, creators should think about more than looks. Think about how they smile, how they carry themselves, AND then, after you've got your personality details done, think about how it relates to their looks, yada yada. Let's be realistic. If a character is hot, they'll probably know that they're, well, hot. People have told them There's no way they're oblivious to their face.
BUT there are people who are both hot and smart. Stupid and ugly, too. I'm a living example: dumb and looking like a sewer rat.
If you need your character's design to be overly sexualsied so we know they're attractive, then that's not a good chaarcter design.
Feel free to start a debate in the replies.
Dude it took me so long to write this comment, since I forgot I was on the laptop and on my professional (business I guess) account and then I had to delete it an rewrite it on phone.
OKAY. I had to say all that has been said in the above comment and I regret *nothing* .
The most attractive nsfw character would have large breast, buldging muscles, a plus sized but and an enormous pennis, dressed in a skimpy outfit of a firemen with a maid apron and headress.
All tropes combined.
I’d say one exception to this is in regards to someone’s OC that they specifically DONT want sexualized. if anyone took my adult OC’s and sexualized them against my wishes, I’d be pretty pissed. Or if a character is an adult but cannot consent.
I've thought about that and I've wondered, what makes an individual artist different from a huge company in this case? I ask because there's absolutely no way people who sexualize Nintendo characters get permission to do it, and I highly doubt Nintendo is okay with it.
Sadly my oc did have this happen when I was just twelve
@@Uzidoorman4 I'm so sorry for you
@@parmesanbrawler7183 In my opinion nothing, I personally think if you want to do NSFW art you should either draw it of characters whose creators are okay with it or make your own character, no matter if it's an individual or a company. I just find it really disrespectful to take someone's work and use it to fulfill one's fantasies.
Tho that is just my own opinion on the matter and I'm also an asexual creator who doesn't want their characters to be sexualized, so I'm biased on this
@@tami7992 yeah that's why im really strict with who I allow to look at my art
I don’t personally like “sexy art” as I know the type of ppl it tends to attract......and I detest those ppl lol. I avoid those communities like the plague. But all that means for me is that I don’t engage w “sexy art” 😭😭 the ppl who feel like it’s their civic duty to make an artist feel bad for drawing something that they like confuse me lol
Tbh I wouldn't really consider Lora Croft to be overly sexy, just looks like something some one in hot weather would wear. That said my main issues with the "Omg that design is overly sexaul" complaints is that most of the time it just ends up body shaming women and continues tape culture by making in what some cases are comfortable or fun outfits being sexaul just cause it's on a grown ass woman
Lara should realistically be wearing a sports bra
But a lot of the overly sxual designs are just completely unrealistic and would be extremely uncomfortable/revealing, I agree with if they're just comfortable clothing and it isn't being intentionally sxual, it shouldn't be called that. Like a lot of "armor" for female characters, her bobs will be half way out, her whole midsection showing, barely having the bottoms be bottoms and instead pnties, that's a problem imo. Also when their bobs are basically balloons, it's really unrealistic and can cause women to feel insecure about their own because they aren't perky and don't look like that, ik from personal experiences, it really made me upset with myself when I was a young teen developing
@@MartianCandies I disagree, cause one this still places blame on body type and dress for an issue that your parents caused, and has this expectation that cartoons have to be 100% realistic. Like there are irl women that have large breast either by genetics or body modification and there's women who like wearing bikini fantasy armor for fun. That said there is a need for more diverse designs in media, but we shouldn't be demonizing what's currently shown because that does have negative effects on irl women
@@GraveyardMaiden no women have balloons for breasts, even if they got a bob job none looks like that. It's not placing blame on body type at all, it's being realistic, I don't get that putting blame on body types. I do not see how that damages women at all to call out the unrealistic standards in art, like I don't get that at all. As a woman with a big chest, it's very unrealistic, bobs just don't look like that without a push up bra, and with the amount of side Bob, it's clear they aren't wearing one. It's not damaging women to ask for less sxualized characters that are just used as eye candy in the show/game/art, and have no more depth to their design or character than being sxualized.
@@GraveyardMaiden also for problems my parents caused??? Wtf?? I know what caused my problems, do not tell me about myself, that's just not cool at all and basically voids your point to me.
I made one of my OC's sexy, cause I thought it would suit her personality. That's it that's all there is to it.
And this is why I like the designs in genshin, Gorou is a military general and he's wearing a crop top with all of his vital organs right there for the stabbing. All of the leaders in genshin? Hot powerful women that could step on me and I'd thank them all. Every character design is hot AND you can mostly tell what job they have, Roasaria is hot and you can tell she's a nun, you can tell Yae miko is a shrine maiden etc etc.
edit: Love that I comment this and then the Sumeru leaks are...
Edit 2: can yall stop arguing over fischl's age
Even with the male characters,there's hot male people too. Like zhongli,Childe,xiao etc.
I thought Yanfei was a clown/jester lol
Itto has a shirt as a tecnicality. Not a big fan of ficshl's mesh body suit though, feels weird to make a kid wear that.
@@ahumanpersonpresumaly9970 don't most of the characters have no confirmed age, or a vague age at best?
@@themonarchofbaddecisionmak1405 Yes, but fischl is based on chuunibyuu, a term used to describe teens who have a grandiose self image. Plus she can't drink yet, which pretty firmly places her in minor territory.
Im tired of the argument " its unrealistic", because no duh, its art its not suppose to look real and why should it. A women character with a big chest and thin body, so what.
thats not the issue tbh. its just the fact that in society womens bodies are inherently viewed as sxual. as a woman who had to grow up through that as a child its hard to consume media of women that is ALWAAYS also sxual. like anime. female characters just never go as hard as the male one, and most of the time used as fan service, love intrest and eye candy.
tbh, there should not be anything wrong with drawing women this way, but since alot of women are subjected to constant sexualization alot cant help but hate it or find it icky.
13:59 the reason for that is because when artists draw a sexy character outside the mainstream body, its called a "fetish"
Except drawing it in the mainstream body and never drawing anything else is fetish as well.
As a human being, one should be able to be sexually attracted towards the unconventional beauty instead of just the mainstream one, and too much of the same thing is not healthy for the brain too.
Though really, I just wish there was no fetishization at all, literally, just... All those man should just detox from their porn-binging days.
@@VOlDNOVAno, the things that are considered fetishes and are related to body are: fat fetishes, pedophilia, zoophilia and anything else of the like, the reason why fat is a fetish is because it is a form of sexual attraction caused in the same way as your average fetish (seeing a lot of it as a child, even if it weirds you out it will still cause the fetish)
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Here’s a reason I don’t draw sexy men. I don’t draw men like 99% of the time. I think the main reason for that is I’m a female and I know the female anatomy better then the male anatomy.
Same and females are far more fun to draw fashion wise too. Men can have the same but idk…
@@anyone1111 yeah it is. But I think I have one male oc? Yeah I believe that’s right.
real i never draw men bc i have no idea how any of that works, and its not something i am interested in learning
Personally, I just have more fun drawing girls than guys.
Really? I have to actually remind myself to draw women more lol
Me glancing at my mostly sexy male collection of OCs: "Welps I guess I'm doing something right."
I think its important to note that a character doesn't have to show more skin in order to be sexy, but having them show more skin can express more about their character and how they express themselves with their outfit. Being sexy should never be something to be shamed for.
Sometimes men adding more layers can be super sexy! Imagine a guy in a nice button up shirt, a lovely vest, & a trench. 🤤
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I came across an artist that both complained about their art teacher saying that Anime isn't real art on one breath, then said that lewds weren't art in the same conversation.
Art history begs the latter.
7:32 the reason i was born a bisexual is to provide the world with sexy characters of all genders
non binaries:
@@leg8280ee pansexuals: *exist under the bisexual umbrella*
Bisexual people can like nonbinary people two
@theekshanapremkumar okay fair enough could have worded it better. What do u want me to word it as then to include everyone?
@@denji1726 you can keep it as bisexual
If it wasn't for nsfw I wouldn't have been motivated to learn to draw tbh, so yeah, I think it's fine
Sexy is not and will never be a crime.
Edit: as long as I get more ladies in armor and more men in bathing suits. Gotta have a perfect balanced diet ❤️
Would you go so far as, say, Batman in just a leather codpiece, gloves, and boots? (That black leather utility belt would accessorize him quite nicely, and some EVOO on his exposed and subtly lighted skin would make him delish man-candy for those in the audience seeking man-candy :) )
You think💀
@@tcpratt1660?
"Let people be hot and smart or dumb and not conventionally attractive"
Yes I agree! You don't have to be average-looking in order to be smart. Not saying average-looking characters should be stupid of course. As you said, don't make such things mutually exclusive. It has to be a variety.
It's sadly a popular belief that we are either hot or smart and cannot be both that if someone looks attractive, they must be stupid and brainless. People often lump beauty and stupidity together and often assume there's a correlation when there isn't.
There definitely isn’t always a correlation but there’s always a possibility of them having correlation with some people, same with characters who might be hot and smart or dumb and ugly
A sexy female fish only makes sense if you do the same to the male fish (this is not a moral judgement, this is a critique of a common art style inconsistency causing characters to look out of place)
Sounds more like moral judgement and policing artists
Oglaf made a joke about that, where all the nonhuman males started killing human men because they looked like Male versions of their females and it enraged them.
I dunno, I think calling a fish sexy is kinda odd ngl
Another frustrating point is that the artists who make that kind of work are associated as being creepy weirdo pervs. And are MOST OF THE TIME. actually super chill.
Kim Jung gi makes amazing sexy art and even he get condemned for as well. Now he won’t show it because of that reason.
And also women I’ve found out.
@@wesleymccoy4072 Tell him to go to the anime community, theyll defend their waifus to the death, so he should be good there
@Linda Les XD, yeah, there's just toxicity everywhere man
Not to mention people assume they're all men when many of them are women.
pretty much agree with your sentiment regarding individual vs professional art and the sexism that exists in female objectification in most character design. you can do whatever you want but if its on a product meant for people to pay to consume, then i think people have a right to criticize what they like and dont like in the designs etc. a distinct 2 groups that should have different standards. what im personally not a fan of is how these sexualized drawings have become so normal that theres hardly a way to filter out the sexy but modest pinup-esque art versus like, extreme fetish art for kinksters, and that children online will and have been subjected to it because no one pumps the breaks anymore. im very pro sexual expression and greatly prefer drawing conventionally attractive people being sexy, but i find it kind of upsetting that no media can be released anymore without thousands of nsfw and fetish artists instantly releasing some straight up pornography despite no genital or sexual acts drawn out, and when people draw say mario characters, guess what will just show up on google and other search engines within apps. go ahead and google sonic right now and it wont take you long until something you didnt want to see pops up. i dont know if this is relevant of an opinion to you since its sort of a slightly connected but not the main focus argument but i am so passionate about this topic specifically it would be fun to maybe hear you talk about that too. oh and more just bc i cant structure a sentence to save my life but from what ive seen when we have different online circles, people shit on artists like sakimi-chan for drawing her sexy art because she sexualizes minor characters and does the whole aging up thing to seem less problematic i suppose, and thats another argument i personally have against artists that draw sexy stuff because they just never seem to know when to quit it before they go too far. again, nothing wrong with explicit art in general, but theres a huge overlap with explusively sexy/nsfw artists to also draw some genuinely concerning stuff, and in relation to what i said before, gets it spread like wildfire and normalized because there is not a big enough discussion about porn addiction and the downsides of constantly exclusively engaging/creating in only sexy/nsfw content. its become sort of a meme for rule34 art or "hentai" to be seen as cursed yet sexy thing to consume, but no one really steps back to think about how fetish porn (often with harmful content and little to no real sex education) has become such a desensitized topic that people online feel entitled to their sexy content and anyone criticisng it is a sjw or something lol. otherwise fun video as always, thanks for reading if anyone had the energy to get thru all that LOL
I’ve seen three assassin/spy characters I actually liked the outfits of.
1. She wore a school uniform because she was a student, and just about everyone else wore one. Only a few of them didn’t.
2. She wore a crop-top and long skirt with a slit in it, but she only wore it once. Hilariously, she wore that outfit to kill her father.
3. Gray and blue….clothes. I don’t know how to describe it. It wasn’t crazy, and she could fight it in. It wasn’t over the top or insane, it was just an outfit.
I've drawn big hongamaloos on multiple occasions and people have gotten mad at me but, a) the characters are adults and b) it's my friend's dnd PC.
Whomst possesses a large chest.
Cannonically.
And
And they also draw them like that
The only issue I personally have with Sakimichan's art is how fisheyed and warped the body proportions have become. But that's just personal preference! She's clearly very talented, and anyone attacking her or artists like her likely don't really understand the art community and how hard it can be to make money. Is she pandering? Sure! Is that really a condemnable thing? No, not at all 😅
Also, you're hilarious, and Double-Trouble is a non-binary secksy gecko from She-Ra
She isnt necessarily pandering to anyone. I am a woman, a PLUS SIZE woman, who often draws busty skinny women simply because I like to. Anyone who tries to condemn her for that (which I'm saying generally, not at you) is a hypocrite. Unless she is literally fatphobic (which honestly has nothing to do with art itself) I don't see how drawing busty skinny women is wrong. They exist, lol.
The real problem with society is how skinny busty womens body types is NORMALIZED and how other body types are disliked. Which again really has nothing to do with art itself.
We should take issue with actual slites against other body types, NOT for people drawing things they want to draw lol.
I of course would like to see representation of all races, genders, body types, etc in media, but with the internet I think there is something out there for all of us.
The body proportions aren’t warped at best their an exaggeration of a real body type.
My biggest laugh with sakimichan is when she accidentally draws hands with 6 fingers but her art is so heavily rendered that people don't even notice lol not personally a fan of her work (not my taste) but idc I think there's bigger criticism of her to be had rather than her art work.
Didn't sakimichan draw a nsfw of Anya from spyxfamily?
I RMB when she drew Anya art... But aged up just to make nsfw 👍
In my personal opinion, not even larger companies/professionals (like Disney ex.) should be held accountable to make representation of/for other people. Even they are their own artist and just because they now make lots of money/have lots of viewers, doesn't mean they /have/ to make a bunch of representation. Not to mention, if you hold other people to make the representaiton you (general people who do) want then you'll only let yourself down when the representation isn't sastifying. Again, even though an artist may have shot into stardom doesn't remove the fact they are still an artist and they make what they wish. We, the public, can like or dislike it as we wish and not forced to continue if we desire sometihng else. Personal belief, if you truly want representation of you then make it yourself. Only you know how you want to be represented and only you can do it right by you. As well, it's an open market if nobody else is willing to do it.
As the saying goes- It's better to just do it yourself in the end.
Other opinion (general opinion on topic not specifically what you said)- When it comes to sexualized males and females, it comes with a bag of comlexity with it. In whole, my sexual appeal does not speak for the trees which is everybody on this planet. As a woman, I am openly in love with sexy badass women like the champions listed. I love playing as them, their design and want to dress like them. So the arguement that many make that it's only for the male gaze, is ignoring that there are women who do genuinely love this sort of thing and sexy design females shouldn't be covered/removed. Having more sexy designed men wouldn't be bad either, but I find to be much more picky when it comes to how the sex appeal for men is handled compared to female. Though, I believe the arguement is in the wrong place. Many have the opinion that sexy women should be removed/covered in gaming, but truth be told the focus should be just adding casual designed women alongside sexy women- as well sexy men alongside casual dressed men. Have more Illoi and Jinx body types along side the Akali, MF and Ahri bodytypes- do the whole range in between!
As for Lizzo, sure have more of that body types for females, but I wouldn't find them very sexy and same goes for men. Just personally over all prefer healthy body types. lmao
I think the main problem when it comes to those who get offended by sexy art, mostly stems from insecurities or shame.
We all have to conform to something that can make others uncomfortable, even though it makes a profit; and maybe we’ve been those people who are told that sex in media is evil and should either not be shared to minors or condemn ourselves via religion or whatever.
So whenever they see a sexy art piece that’s completely off the norm of the original media they came from, their instinct is to correct it with what is canon. (Not exaggerate the proportions, no out of character behavior, degrading depictions, etc.)
people need to learn to stop comparing themselves to FICTIONAL CHARACTERS
thats one of the problems
@@GodviahhExactly it’s all fake at the end of the day it’s a fragment of someone’s imagination (the artist) and I believe artists should be able to draw whatever they want art should be fun not complicated
thats not the issue tbh. its just the fact that in society womens bodies are inherently viewed as sxual. as a woman who had to grow up through that as a child its hard to consume media of women that is ALWAAYS also sxual. like anime. female characters just never go as hard as the male one, and most of the time used as fan service, love intrest and eye candy.
tbh, there should not be anything wrong with drawing women this way, but since alot of women are subjected to constant sexualization alot cant help but hate it or find it icky.
@@ShabreaChandler thats not the issue tbh. its just the fact that in society womens bodies are inherently viewed as sxual. as a woman who had to grow up through that as a child its hard to consume media of women that is ALWAAYS also sxual. like anime. female characters just never go as hard as the male one, and most of the time used as fan service, love intrest and eye candy.
tbh, there should not be anything wrong with drawing women this way, but since alot of women are subjected to constant sexualization alot cant help but hate it or find it icky. its not just fake, its the media we consume of our gender.
There is a 4th category of people who hate this (lewd fanart)... Intellectual Property Owners.
People who ask that NSFW fanart of their series not be made but go ignored.
Corporations with family friendly reputations like Nintendo.
NSFW artists are often profiting off characters they do not own.
"draw sexy Rosalina because she's my favorite"....she is also my favorite...and im also an artist....hmmmmmmm
Good for you.
I agree with everything you said. I would also like to say that I am a big supporter in the "draw more sexy men" movement. I myself draw a lot of hot men cuz I'm gay
I'm of the opinion that no one owns you representation a small, big or even professional artist. Everyone makes the art they want if you want something commission an artist to do it. There are plenty of artist who write, draw, animate for a right price. If you want to create something find an artist to do it. The same point stands with popular media like films, comics and other stuff. Don't nag people to include LGBT or people of color or whatever just because you want it. (The whole other point is when poc and LGBT are in those media but are portrayed terribly or are just a token characters. That is disgusting and I am for criticizing creators if they do that shit)
Yep, though the mystery lays on about the fact that is very difficult to find an artist that accepts drawing hefty characters.
I won't talk about LGBT because there are plenty of those if you look at the OC fandom.
Big complaint I have is just properly tagging stuff. I find unwanted sexy characters appearing on my Twitter feed or in my action anime supposedly for young boys really annoying. If you want to make the art sexy, go ahead, just, mark it as NSFW and we won't have a problem.
The people who feel strongly about about underrepresentation are the ones who have moral responsibility for them. No one is responsible for anyone else's feelings, or owes anyone anything. However, I'm full on in support of screaming from the rooftops for equally sexy outfits for men! >:3
I think you hit the nail on the head. I honestly love making characters who are both sexy and capable regardless of gender. Right now my favorite oc actually is nonbinary and is written to be sexy and smart and I love them a lot
i think its amazing how people complain that there are more sexy art of woman than man, but their solution in their mind is to draw less or none sexy art of woman...
hell, learn how to draw and draw lewd art of man!
imagine wasting tons of hours, years of your life learning how to draw, then, someone else think they are entitled to decide what you do with your hands.
there are more art of sexy woman than sexy man because man like to consume this type of stuff more than woman do, the fact that no one is asking for more sexualized man just prove that.
woman arent the target audience of such art, and no one in the world will create a product for an demand that dont exists.
imagine if man tried to dictate what woman can and cant enjoy? i dont like fashion magazines, so remove all of then from the stores! i dont like cute things so stop producing then!
its the exactly same thing! (i do like cute stuff btw, that was just an example of stuff that are rare for man to like compared to woman)
I think Lola has a point to be like that since she represented that type of women using appeal seeking richy guys and manipulate them in the world based on mafia film stereotypes. Anyway thank you for the cool video!
I love these videos so much, I always get so excited when I see a new upload! It’s so interesting to hear about topics that I haven’t really looked that much into and have them be explained in detail while also getting to watch gorgeous art being made
Mm! Same!!
I think the thing is, if people try saying you are ugly, or not attractive, it's perfectly fine to say "fuck that, yes I am". But to tell society, "You're not allowed to find this sexy", or "you must find this attractive" is absurd. trying to tell society as a whole what is attractive is crazy.
The thing with people being told to "find certain things attractive" is that... If you look at history, the attractiveness in female body types have been changing a lot, and very quickly at that. Though its not always as they think that that body type is now attractive because they do, but instead, they really where coerced to believe that that is the ultimate beauty standard. Why and how? Just watch the rich people's patterns and compare it to the trends over the years. The rich women make the propaganda and sell their own body shapes as the most beautiful in the world, and the low budget girls have either to try their best to follow it or be considered ugly.
And yes, today, beauty is still considered a very high product to have, probably more than ever. Back then, beautiful and healthy-looking girls would be sold for marriage and family ties, right now its not very different, if you look at high-end families, they still want their daughters to marry a rich guy instead of any nobody that "will make her life miserable" (as in, will force her to live a low budget life like a factory worker) or leech her parents.
@@VOlDNOVA my thing is the "being told part" they can offer up something but if people don't want it it won't be sold. it's like a chicken or the egg question. so is the beauty standard the standard because someone set it, or is it set because that's what the majority of people liked? obviously advertising can sway a bit but it doesn't matter how much you try to sell me a turd sandwich i'm not gonna want it. i mean shallow hal fucking told this story years ago. if everyone in the world told you someone you found attractive wasn't, would you care?
A lot of series needs "context" to explain their design as well the general intention on why they are made for, so the design makes sense. There are three series (anime) where I can argue that has more sexualization towards the male characters than the female characters. The first one isn't that apparently obvious, it's Seven Deadly sins. Yes, despite how many panty/buttshots and as well as close ups to female breasts. There are actually far more handsome well suited muscular men in the show. The Holy knight trio are great examples of it, three types of handsome muscular men, one of a overall gentleman looking one, a more free spirited loudmouth one, and a big beefy man who has a gentle heart, that protects more than fighting. Then there are the sins themselves, sure Gowther isn't technically a man, since he was created with a frame to look like the lover of his creator. King/Harlequin has a baby-face, but when he gets his full wings he has the very much apparent pretty boy face and hair. Meliodas also has a baby-face, but shown to be very muscular to show he is a fully grown adult. Ban, literally the definition of looking like a bad boy type. Then we have Escanor, literally a 10 and half feet tall man with a sexy mustache and muscles no living man can ever compare themselves to. Also he mostly shown himself being shirtless. (Obviously because he is both huge and ripped.)
So already it is more appropriate they play generally on both ends when it comes to Seven Deadly sins, just that women have more reason to drool over than guys though.
The other two are much more obvious. Baki and Jojo's bizarre adventures.
Literally Chad muscular dudes duking it out in either absurd as well brutal ways. Probably less with Baki since the show does have so much brutality that women may not like watching it for too long.
What does brutality have to do with women not wanting to watch it for too long? That seems like a gross overgeneralization of women.
@@phobiaxz Last time I checked since did women in general like watching guys brutality beating each other to the point of body mutilation consistently in the show like Baki? I never said women won't watch it, just that the majority wouldn't want to watch that plane in simple.
@@DangerDan64 that goes for men, too, though. I dont think any of my guy friends would want to watch that. gore tastes have just about nothing to do with gender is all.
@@piklan89 Answer me this, who is the main demographic for Naruto, DBZ, and Beserk. If you know the answer, then here you go.
@@DangerDan64 young boys. thats like completely unrelated to the conversation, but oh well. Hope u have a nice day dude, enjoy summer or whatever it is where you are 👍
And yeah so agree with the female characters being dressed skimpy and the males being normal, when I see it in games art etc I avoid it
For me, I sometimes exaggerate the body types. I remember when I was little I made a character with a small chest and thick thighs because that was my favorite body type and then a random lady said that it’s to unrealistic.
I stopped drawing that body type for a long time until now when I realize that it isn’t wrong to draw my ocs the way I want.
You seem like an insecure snowflake
thank you for support, i needed this. all my life i see people who ban p*rn and hate sexy art, writing hate comments under sexy art and blame those who draw that. i always wanted to be a NSFW artist, but people seem to be only interested in SFW stuff. about a year ago i found a small group of people who do not hate that, but i still have HUGE complexes. i am 29, and all my life i saw only hate for erotica. trying to move forward to follow my dreams, but i am literally tired of people that were surrounding me.
I'm so glad this is not just a "artist can draw whatever they want, no one cares" kind if opinion. so happy that you covered the toxic parts of that mentality, even though i personally hate changing characters to make them more "conventionally sexy" but then again, this is my personal opinion that can be solved by the magic option of "show me less posts like this" on most social media
14:09 the image in my head is my crush who is a black girl (we’re both young so I wouldn’t say woman) with an average body type lol-
Most of my oc have big bust and big thighs. Males included. I just love the over exaggerated style.
wait....i wanna hear about the proper use of escalators...
No Im gona have to disagree with you. Professional artists also should not be dictated with what they should make. Art is still art and they should express themselves freely, not under any quota.
I’d rather have that people if drawing sexual art of a real person, should ask for consent. I’d be hard to ask celebrities but most of them have social media, ask on a q&a or something.
People have always complimented my art because (other than nsfw commissions) I’ve never drawn anything sexual. I didn’t know how to draw booba until recently. I hated the fact I couldn’t draw that because not all women are flat (including me when I identified as a woman). I follow many nsfw artists, who just make it because they can, and I love their art styles, and they were a big ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) help in learning how to draw booba.
Pfft, I almost spit out my coffee when you threw in hot Rosalina instead of Peach because honestly- I guess we agree on this one, she was my go-to character in Mario Kart for that exact reason XD
Was also really surprised I knew like all of the references made in the video today, with all of the LoL art and Lara Croft design.
I don’t have any personal issue with nsfw art, but what about artists that flock to that aesthetic because they know it will get them attention and money more easily? Is it worth selling out and not pursuing their true passion? This is a paradox I see very frequently
I see this mentality a lot and I wonder why? How is it selling out? And what business is it to anyone else, if they do NSFW or any other types of art to pay the bills? People do art for a lot of different reasons. Not all artists are out to change the world with their art, many do it because they like it and enjoy what they draw and can make a living off of it. There is nothing wrong with that. Just trying to understand why this mentality exists.
I recently changed the body type of one of my OCs. I went from petite yet somehow well endowed, to short and stout. She's an aspiring business owner that wants to open her own bakery alongside her himbo big brother
13:53 It feels cheap that you’re using this as a one of example when there is an entire archetype based around this trope.
Saw the notification and my mood went up! Very interesting topic Celestia! ^^
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I'm pretty sure a lot of people dislike her design, which is fine, but I think Momo Yaoyorozu from MHA is the same way. She's one of the top students in her class and (at least in the manga) helped some other students study. She's got good memory and is quite strong, yet is also.. designed in such a way that you can tell it was purposely provocative (and the author included some moments with momo that let you tell this was purposeful, it is a shonen after all lol.)
Ppl don’t like her design bc she’s a minor and minors have no need to be purposefully provocative in media.
7:33 YES! YES! I'VE BEEN SAYING THIS FOR YEARS! True equality isn't to stop objectifying your female characters, the solution is to objectify _all_ of your characters! I am literally drawing my AMAB genderfluid incubus a-hole of a dork flirting with someone in a bar and I refuse to hold back.
Short answer: Nope
Long answer: LOL nope
i love your videos so much!! i hope you're staying as healthy as possible!
These people act like drawing women with big chest and large hips is so bad and so harmful.
Big hips is literally realistic, and it’s the same for big chests. With big hips that’s literally how it works and there is always a small chance of them becoming bigger than they should and with a big chest it’s literally got a way higher chance than no chest
thats not the issue tbh. its just the fact that in society womens bodies are inherently viewed as sxual. as a woman who had to grow up through that as a child its hard to consume media of women that is ALWAAYS also sxual. like anime. female characters just never go as hard as the male one, and most of the time used as fan service, love intrest and eye candy.
tbh, there should not be anything wrong with drawing women this way, but since alot of women are subjected to constant sexualization alot cant help but hate it or find it icky.
@@dobbiereals i agree with you, it's a shame that women's body it's always sexualised no matter the context.
I made the original comment one year ago, but I can definitely see why, to some people, art like this can give the ick.
Thank u for sharing ur opinion and ur point of view☺️ sorry if my comment seemed mean in some sort of way i didn't mean it like that
@@dobbiereals I think you might have not realised the type of anime your watching
The genre id expect that to be in are shounen and Seinen, which have a target demographic of men and the women in them are oversexualized, yes, but that’s (to my knowledge) related to how japan doesn’t really have as bad a problem with sexual things (ignoring tourists) as many other places do. Also fan service is probably why the animators still have those jobs and the reason men aren’t sexualised is because there aren’t as many women who would enjoy that sort of thing as there are men who do, because men are horny bc of the same kind of hormone that relates to anger
@@SoloAnima1 its just pretty much any anime. Japanese media in general. there gender roles are different there, that's is how women are viewd in Japan and even here tbh. Japan also has bad issue with sxul crime from what ive learned but you can research that if you want. anyways, sxul media isnt the problem and i get the demanded for it, its just society that's the problem.
You always approach subjects with a very grounded and nuanced attitude and I really find that admirable
“Why are animals so weirdly curvy?!”
**shoves my fursona behind me**
ikr😅
It's true that most artists draw beautiful women, But I don't see why we should consider it a problem.
Supply follows the demand. There's only enough "diverse" commissions to feed a handful of artists. The rests are doomed to draw attractive people.
Why is it that stylized art is only a problem if it's done to make things pretty? Artists should be free to do what they want
@@MutatedPercent exactly, and most people appreciate and want pretty things, including artists.
this may be my incorrect opinion, but i think most games that make use of the "sex sells" motto are strictly aiming for a purely male demographic. they make women unreasonably under equipped to show skin while they give men cool armour and weapons to look like a badass. fan service that was never meant to get directed for the female fandom or the fandom aiming for balance either.
on a slightly different note, as a straight male who's as dense as dark matter, i can't even guess as to what could make a decent equivalent for female fan service. from what i understand, muscular men might even be more "attractive" to other men, not necessarily in a sexual way but the "badass" way. i'm not interested in muscles, but i have seen comics portraying stories of guys getting buff for attracting women only to get surrounded by fellow bodybuilders complimenting them on their manliness instead.
14:08 Werewo- Thin women! Yup! Thin women and, uh, buff men,,,
Yeah I get scared I might draw the boobs on my characters too big that it’s unrealistic so I’m paranoid. I should probably watch the video now
Re:Sakimi-chan ... My issue, as a writer, is that artists are allowed to do fuck-all with copyright infringement (up to and including porn of copyrighted characters) and make obscene amounts of money off of it, where an author could easily be sued into the next century if their source of inspiration is not from the early 20th century or earlier. The completely different rules for two equally creative and demanding careers are ... a little maddening.
And than you have things like fanfiction and doujinji that thread the fine line between fanart and writing, and can make you money without beeing sued over it. (The later more so than the first, I think I heard only of three situations where someone sold their fanfics...one of them beeing fifty shades of gray xD )
you sound jealous honestly.
the only issue with saki is her sexualizing child characters by "aging them up"
Moral issues with that aside, the other primary issue is copyright infringement. Artists have the option of a career cop-out by piggybacking other people's work and IPs. Legally, however, it is still blatant infringement. Fan art is fine, in and of itself. It can and should exist freely like fanfiction, because it makes a great sandbox to hone your skills in. Making a profit off of other people's work is ethically dubious on the best of days. It being a visual medium versus a written medium does not change that fact. If you're perceiving jealousy, that's probably projection.
Yikes lol
The problem is that the writer shouldn't be as limited for their source of inspiration, it stops iteration and art advances trough iteration, it stagnates art. Not saying that copyright should be abolished, just returned to more reasonable expiration dates so an adult artist can reasonably be inspired by things they saw in their childhood for example. Thats ample time and lends itself very well for writers and other artists to have a wider net of inspiration sources.
I usually don't show people I know personally drawings of my characters that have boobs because i don't need to deal with that in my personal life.
Also the most sexy thing I've drawn recently was an open back huge coat(because wings) and shorts.
I mainly draw enby characters, and I like to make pretty much all my characters sexy/hot/pretty.
I think it is fun to make characters look unrealistically pretty.
Luckilly I have yet to meet any negative comments regarding how I design characters. I do imagine if I had a following, my designs would have me instantly cancelled.
From my perspective, I don't mind NSFW art or how artists draw their characters but also fan art of franchises like Dragon Ball to DC Comics as long as the characters are adults. But I hate that a lot of people are being sensitive of NSFW art like any lingerie to fetishes instead of focusing on issues that matter like art theft to AI art. Besides, I don't mind artists drawing female characters being sexy regardless of species like humans to mermaids or Saiyans.
14:44 That is a matter of personal taste, I will not be shamed for not being into it!
Reason why drawing characters who fight melee hot and unarmed is a good idea: it shows that if the character survives the fight the character should be feared
I once drew a very smegsy demon gorl as a women and posted it put some people where like “OMG BAD SUS”
Oh she was like 69420 or smth shes a demon
That checks out
16:03 That’s my problem, to me you assume it’s sexism by default and not just how the artist rolls. You cannot assume sexist intentions apon people by merit of how they draw their women. It feels like unecessary policing of people who committed no wrong but are assumed to. It takes nuance out of a nuanced discussion and painting it as black and white. I’m sorry if that wasn’t your intention but the way you spoke came off that way.
I felt kind of similarly, some people don’t find bodies like lizzo’s sexy same way some people find Keira knightly attractive
Yeah, I agree. There's nothing wrong with finding one body type as attractive more and not the other, it's not the same thing as saying one body type is objectively more attractive than the other or flat-out patronizing someone for having a body type you're not attracted to. It's called a preference.
@@Bobo-Nose Did I actually make somewhat of a valid argument? If so that doesn’t sound right. I’m not living up to my name!
One thing that heavily rubbs me the wrong way comes from the Dead By Daylight community and sexualising one of the Legion members Susie and the main reason it rubs me the wrong way is that she's in high school, and heavily implied if not confirmed to be a minor since she's a sophomore while the other Legion members are confirmed to be around 19 which is above the age of consent and you all can sexualise the adult characters and I really wouldn't care but characters who are minors should not be sexualised. But to be fair I'm pretty sure most the fandom knows this and avoids making NSFW of Susie but the small minority that still Sexualises her is usually looked down upon
8:23 i just simply disagree. Fiora isnt a First class Captain in the Army of Demacia, an army against all things magic who puts on Petricite armor (a material that absorbs magic) to shield themselves against it and against other dangerous forces like the noxus legion. Fiora is just the face of her family legacy, House Laurent, if she becomes a soldier for demacia she would be wearing the same armor as Garen. in Legends of runeterra there is a character named cithria who becomes a demacian soldier and shes decked out in armor.
Akali and zed are both assassins yes. akali in game specifically says in game all she needs is her pack and weapons. zed uses what he can to get an advantage over anyone that gets in his way. Before she started refuting her masters lessons, Akali was taught by Master Shen and he doesn't wear much armor either. Shen and Zed used to be partners before zed begin his dark quest for power, the way they are both designed was to show how much they disagree with the other and it also reflects that within akali who also disagreed with shen but she doesn't agree with zeds ideals either.
miss fortune and gangplank....... ok touche you got me there.
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I really enjoy drawing NSFW art, will that and some funny memes on main. But oh boy, when we're talking about earning money trough art commissions, on my much bigger main art account the only time I got a person interested was them wanting to buy art for ingame currency...
While on my NSFW account I can't even properly open commissions because I always have people coming in asking me to work on theirs and I always have some things to work on. While this is not even close to be my main source of income, I can't blame any artist for "selling out", not to mention that NSFW art still takes effort, a lot of effort and knowledge, it's probably what gave me much better understanding of anatomy and perspective. When it's not just your hobby, but a source of income, there is really no harm in doing things that simply sells better.
I don't see the problem with drawing tatas, they're literally normal and those people are just dirty minded. It's social media that makes people think differently. As long as the characters are adults, I don't see the problem with it.
This is reminding me of an episode of Pokémon sun and moon where ash and a island kahuna where swimming but the kahuna was swimming IN HEALS and it made me laugh so goddamn hard, but ash was also swimming in shoes so I guess it’s okay
i think female assassins vs male assassins being less or more clothed depends on what is their primary approach to assassination as a whole.
lets pick an female desert assassin, if she does her assassinations while dancing or stripping makes sense to her have less and more revealing clothes clothes, while if she did her assassinations in the open she would need proper clothing to protect her from the sun a probably to cover her face so no one knew who she is.
some league designs are very old and at the time they were just trying to hook you to keep playing their game so they would just lap an cleavage on anything if possible, katarina is just the classic sexy female assassin and at the time riot wasnt really tring to break the mold, they were just going with the flow i think, some of the newer characters have more interesting designs that have more sense at least.
loved the vid!
The way I view "skin" in art is showing how vulnerable a character is or how vulnerable a character is being with another character and most of the time in media that's not what they're using it for. It's either fan service at least and at most it can be detrimental to the people watching.
Don't get me wrong I completely believe that sometimes skin is warranted and can even help the viewer experience that vulnerability with the character such as stories like berserk. But usually unless the character is supposed to be in a very very vulnerable position which also shouldn't be overused or the character is naturally showing off their body showing that they don't care what people think but other than that I completely believe that it can really suck a person out of the experience if you're showing it all the gosh darn time.
Take a shot every time she says “Sexy”
*the doise is fucking dead*
Tho my characters will never be strippers at the cost of their brain.
Well, it actually makes sense for an assassin to not wear armor. They're supposed to kill without being seen. They aren't supposed to get into sword fights where they need armor. And it actually makes more sense to not wear armor and wear casual clothes to not stand out in a crowd. Or wear clothes that are sexualized so they aren't thought of as a threat.
I agree with you that bikini armor is stupid and people should largely be drawn realistically, but I think its fine to sexualize only one gender in a scene if thats what the scene is about, just make it make sense.
Eddit: and I completely agree with making everyone sexy, if by sexy you mean attractive not neceserally sexual.
I also don't like when animals are made with human anatomy features, but Lola seems like some kind of furry to me and I find furries and animals completly different.
I am still jealous about artists who can make their characters atractive or scary or both. But I don't draw anymore XD
-grabs the tea-
I just had a thought, like, how making a character’s design unrealistic to their abilities to emphasize the unrealistic abilities of that character can be misunderstood as sexualizing. I probably worded that badly but an example is making a character that is combat specialized, like a military commander, warrior, or assassin, wear very little, mostly in terms of protection, to show their skill in being on the same level or stronger than another character with protection. Pretty much giving a character an obvious disadvantage to show their skill, because Their skill/strength overrules the disadvantage. Though, there are PLENTY of ways to do this in representing it through clothing that are more effective and easier to understand, and also less uncomfortable when it goes wrong. Not really a big point though just a thought, like most comments.
Okay wait.. a stripper who’s stripper outfit has a button to change into armor and she she’s a badass 🤔
YES THANK YOU. I've been thinking like you for a long time and I'm glad to see a video about it.
I don't dislike art with too much titty. I do however dislike it when I only see art who's goal is to look pretty. Kinda makes the art start to feel like it doesn't have a soul.
Holy crap, never expected to hear about League in a Celestia video ahaha
6:00 um no? Professionals should also draw what they want. They shouldn't have to think about changing their ideal vision for the sake of others. Professionals are people too.