Anxiety to me has five steps: 1. the wish for continued existence (or fear of death, ego death etc), 2 a. fear of the other´s future aggression or b. future unavailability of help (stemming from childhood or disability), 3. the stifling of self expression in order to prevent 2a and 2b, the need to fit in, the shame of not fitting in. 4. the growing of the fear to more abstract precursors of aggression and isolation, like group-opinions or lack of love. 5. the resulting conscious and unconscious behaviour that ends up in a feedback loop. step 3: The stifling of self expression can lead to the penting up of emotions/unawareness of emotions, which can lead to physical manifestations like tension in the body and awkwardness and ultimately panic attacks that are unrelated to any physical danger. The resulting lack of predictability of behaviour will lead to more fears of non-acceptance. (step 5) A fear of stifled self-expression or not-living, may be harder to solve than actual fear of death, especially since a life of continuously stifled self expression makes death seem a valid option. One treatment might be to point out that this deathwish from anxiety/depression is a minority report from the brain. Wounds still close, repairs are made in other parts of the body, heart and breathing continue. This might lead to a coping method of perceiving of the body as an ´other´. Seperating mind and body. The advantage of this is that "making peace with the body" can then symbolise making peace with all 'others´, thus releaving anxiety. As unexpressed emotions end up as tensions in the body, this might kill two birds with one stone and reduce awkwardness and . This illusion of the separation of mind and body as a coping method can lead to strange persuasions like the existence of soul as a kind of mental body, tying anxiety neatly into the birth of religion and mysticism. Since growing up in a religious environment may lead to more stifling of self-expression (step 3) and the permanent presence of an imagined other, who has some form of authority over you, we can see how religion can be a self-reinforcing system. This might explain the independent rise of religion and authoritive gods/god itself in so many cultures and the relative succes of stifling self expression in religions and cultures. For instance it might also shed light on the self-reinforcing nature of growing up in other unattainable or impractical high ideals or morality and therefore the existence of morality, ethics and laws at all. And as an extreme how anxiety fuels woke-culture and left radicalism in a non-religious society, that gets its ideals from humanism. The reaction to being different is (partially correct if 2a or 2b are pertinent) seen as the reason for anxiety, it focuses on the second step in stead of the first. But in practice any regulation is a stifling of self-expression, which will lead to more shame of being different, unacceptance, increasing 2a and 2b. Unless it is paired with many honest expressions of self-doubt of not being able to maintain the high ideals.. The unavailability of help (2b), which in childhood might very well kill you, is for adults a remnant fear and can be treated with exposure. Due to the gradually changing nature of a healthy body, and the often inadvertent growing of self-reliance a once rational fear is with a mature and healthy body and mind suddenly a irrational fear. This is why a culture should stimulate the development of skills needed to survive alone in various environments.. A test of self-reliance, even a symbolic one, like growing your own food, a good campingtrip or maybe even a solo trip in a city might cure this base for the anxiety in a single blow and result in people who are not anxious when alone, but anxious in groups. This might be an insight into the mentality of "preppers" and the importance of the second amendment to some americans. It might also explain the populairity of self-reliance or survival baseda games, like minecraft or stardew valley, in an increasingly anxious culture and the need felt of having "vacations", other than as a status symbol.
Very insightful comment. Thanks very much. I thought you might have some videos on the topic and was surprised to be greeted by the Helium Hamsters, lol. Do you have any texts you recommend on anxiety?
Step away from caring what other people think. Learn to relate to what you need from others not the reverse. Anxiety fixes the locus of control in others not ourselves. We don't control the thoughts and actions of others, so this leads to a desire to people-please. And attendant Anxiety when we think we've been unable to please them. This is so fundamentally unhealthy. Learn what you need and how to communicate this to other people. Exercise. Then you'll be fulfilling your obligations to yourself at a basic level.
I've been on a spiritual journey for 7 years since 2013, having delved into all manner of healing modalities, books, and concepts, but this one video singlehandedly has answered so many questions I've been unable to grasp and approach in an adequate manner for YEARS. I've suffered from depression for half my life, been in and out of therapy that was both costly and unhelpful, and this video was a game changer! I was so fascinated that I took notes on this video about all that I realized as it came up, and it took me an hour to fully dissect this! I'm amazed! I think I found my newest quarantine hobby. Cheers!
This is amazing, we are so proud of you. How are you today? It was very brave of you to open up! Anxiety, or not knowing the reaction of the other is one of major questions I had to deal with, so I relate a lot. For me, mindfullness meditation helped to get back on track. I hope you are better today ❤️
Thank you so much for your website, I have read dozens of your articles about Lacan. The article on Obsessional Neurosis and Lacan reading of the Rat Man case is still probably my favorite. Great to see a new video. I am a philosophy major working on my BA. Lacanonline has definitely been one of the most helpful resources for understating one of the most challenging and enigmatic figures in the field of psychoanalysis. Whether you agree with him or not, whether you see him as a genius or a madman, maybe a little of both, reading and engaging with Lacan is a hugely rewarding exercise in its own right. The language is dense at times and poetic at others, and always requires patience- but, when you finally start to make a connection between what Lacan was talking about and some experience of your own, something really special happens, and a space opens up for more conscious, more active and more purposeful living. For me at least, thats what Lacan has given me - along with plenty of headaches and not too few bouts of panic. Looking forward to more content like this
Lacan was primarily a psychologist, but also with some peripheral references to philosophy...maybe a converging synthesis of both. It can be said that the first psychologists were the early philosophers.
I've not felt anxiety for years. 7 or so. Now it never comes in the form of anxiety, just pressure. And it always goes away after I act upon it and I do what I have to do. Then it doesn't even crystallize as a long term memory and it's gone forever.
Anxiety is when you know someone is going to ask something of you. It's unexpected and usually involves having to fork out for something you don't want. It comes in the form of a knock on your door or a registered letter. Maybe a better word for it is "apprehension". The reality is your fears are well founded and always confirmed.
I agree with this. If I delve into my own feelings/experiences of anxiety...it's exactly like this. Usually when having small talk with somebody or when I'm just about to teach a dance class, and ESPECIALLY when I'm asked to freestyle dance in front of somebody because I feel "I never know what they want" and I cannot stop myself from "feeling compelled to give that thing that I don't know what they want...to them" and so, I fumble, dance clumsily and walk away berating myself. 😕
If I'm swimming in the ocean worried about sharks, is that not anxiety? How is that different that asking a girl out worrying about rejection? I don't get why anxiety is any more complicated than basic fear. With the girl, the fear is more social. If you're rejected that's evidence that you're ugly or undesireable. That's not something we want to believe about ourselves. That's what scares us.
It’s interesting how a mistranslation can go a long way when talking about such great ideas. In French Lacan actually uses L'angoisse to talk about what the cited book here refers to as "anxiety", the word can be more precisely translated to Anguish or Distress which to me changes the whole concept of what he developed on this seminar. Further so, Lacan never named the seminar, the published transcripts and hence the titles, are the work of Jacques Alain-Miller, Lacan’s pupil and son in law (true story) and even in Spanish, Millers second tongue, the seminar is translated to Anguish, not anxiety. This is relevant because Lacan had a great interest in the meaning of words and how these operate on the unconscious. To talk about anxiety may be one thing, relevant to modern psychology maybe, but to talk about anguish... now there is something to dive into and more relevant to psychoanalysis
Are langouste, anguish and anxiety not cognates, along with the german word 'angst'? Maybe we should also consider how and why the concept travelled through all these languages, and how the meanings of all these words are connected by their common ancestry
Wow, thank you sir. I found strange when i see a video abou Lacan and Anxiety in the same title. In Brasil portuguese, we call "angústia", its a lot diferent than "ansidade". Now, his explenation make a lot of more sense to me.
You mean l' angoisse (angst) because langouste means lobster ... unless of course you are being witty and referencing Dali's lobster-phone and the call from the other which can never be properly understood.
@@paulaa1175 jajaj I do mean l'angoisse, Im not being witty thank you for your correction. Talk about mistranslations. My first language is spanish and Im doing a bit of research on how in fact we get lost in translation. Amazing you brought up Dali, Lacan uses one of his essays to talk about intuition, the paranoia principle and how that is relevant on the psychoanalytic technique
@@bosschoruspedalunboxing6679 Someone just corrected me and I accidently wrote lobster, the word is actually l'angoisse jaja sorry about that. The words might be cognates yet the significance (S1) is what brings another reading to the lecture. Following Saussures work on the sign, Lacan gives a special value to the significance over to the meaning of words to talk about the very structure of the unconscious. Altho these particular words might be connected by a common ancestry what I believe to be relevant to psychoanalysis here is that anxiety is refered to as a diagnosis, something we dont deal with in the practice, sometimes its refered to even as symptom or a sensation. Anguish on the other hand refers to something completely diferent, might be an existencial anguish or the anguish the Id goes through while being formed through the Other in the mirror stage. Anguish is better expressed as to something that is brought up after being something fundamental in ourselves is questioned
Anxiety is being treated like a stranger in your homeland, anxiety is the watchful eye of surveillance telling you everything you just did and judging it. Anxiety is created when others personalize every insult coming your way, Anxiety occurs when your security is constantly threatened, anxiety is created through society constantly telling you you aren’t enough(look at the prices of homes on Long Island, do you have enough?) Anxiety is the state in which they(the powers that be) want you in. If there isn’t anxiety they will create it. Anxiety is knowing you are being watched.
nop, axiety is the natural reaction to stress. Outside the kinda interesting but not very tested world of psychoanalysis, it's known that you see anxiety that way because you have learned to (from society and through your expericiences) and evolution of course is the base for how you learn it. But you don't have to have panic attacks you can learn a new structure of reaction to stress and change your behavior. Part of that is actually understanding that axiety is a natural thing. There are also types and levels of anxiety.
I don’t think those in power want those whom they exploit to be anxious, hence the widespread use of CBT and medical psychology. Anxiety is really their enemy; the beginning of the desire to subvert is the threatening presence of power and the cognizance of it’s manifestation in the form of it’s many potential desires. Sorry to get foucauldian here. If my boss comes to me with functionless request, one that does not manifest itself in material, I experience anxiety. He could be wanting to exploit me, change me, inflict upon me something fatal to my soul, my ego, my psyche, my social identity, whatever you want to call my formless being. In this way, anxiety is a sort of paranoia, a paranoia felt when the Other expresses it’s desire, a paranoia about what is desired, it is truly the recognition of the the triumvirate status of freedom, power, and violence, and the heights of their status.
@@SanguinarySun interesting take. The functionless request is essentially what Lacan categorizes as desire. Desire being the inexpressible difference between demand and need. So in that gap between the boss’s demand and the need expressed, there is something uncanny, an extra something that you detect that the boss wants, yet you can’t put your finger on it...you can’t negotiate it to either his nor your own satisfaction. This perplexity can easily become magnified into intense anxiety since your position is dependent on satisfying something mysterious beyond the stated demand...a game to which you are compelled to play without the benefit of being given the rules.
@@TheRandomBiscuit For months I've been looking for someone to "briefly" define objet petit a and the Other (I know Lacan didn't want it to be translated, but je ne sais pas what the Other is called in French). Lacan was one of the most frustrating individuals to ever walk the earth, albeit probably also a genius ("probably" because I have no clue what the hell he's talking about most of the time).
The fact that he just talks about "the other" without describing, as if Lacan simply refers to other people, is frightening. I wonder if this rushed attempt at understanding great intellectuals actually has roots in our desire to understand things or just to say that we know what the "great thinkers" were talking about.
@@Zhongda95 Actually, this makes a lot of sense. Please see it this way. The other is yourself and actually the other. Allow me to explain. There is something called an identity, this means, it is something that you identify yourself with. Therefore you like someone because she has something that you think (consciously or unconsciously) that you are. Everybody needs what they are. (This is in fact what makes capitalism work... you buy products that in one way or another are what you need, and you need your self). Most people say, no, I want what I am lacking, but this is because you don't know yourself. Nobody really does. This is the whole point of a big chunk of your life, many people say it is a part of enlightenment, So what this man is saying, makes total sense to me, because of this. Everything that we know is what we feel, we just don't understand our feelings. We need to strive and understand them, what you feel is what you are, more than you will ever know. The explanation of the child is dead brilliant and to me it seems so accurate, it is amazing. Imagine all the monsters and the whole Horror Genre is just that, an imaginative gateway to what we don't understand, but definitely feel. We are afraid of what we are.
Terrible when you have to read text that says something different from what you are talking. Lots of potential but this video needs to be formatted and delivered in a more cohesive way.
This to me is the great dilemma concerning "anxiety": Is it considered "anxiety" in the psychological sense if the feeling of anxiety or panic is directly and rationally connected to potentially negative situations? Or is the diagnosis of "anxiety" only made if one's feelings of fear and dread are entirely unconnected to both identifiable and reasonable causes?
From my experience, the diagnosis largely depends on how much this anxiety affects your every-day life. For example, I get anxiety from both identifiable causes (like having to give a presentation in front of lots of people) and unidentifiable causes. Sometimes I just wake up with that general feeling of dread, or that something is off. The main thing, though, is how often these feelings come up, and how much they impact my ability to get on with things. But please keep in mind that while I have a psychology degree, this is largely anecdotal!
If there are potentially negative situations rationally considered so then that is not anxiety. It is mostly fear. Anxiety is much more elusive and undetermined.
@Crom I believe he's talking about the feeling of security that comes from being loved, or feeling loved. It's about connectedness and identity. Often an absence of home or an unhappy, unstable home life; social, school environment, can lead to damaged adulthood... substance abuse. Narcissistic Personality Disorder is often linked to childhood environment.
How would Lacan's theory apply to blind people? Can it be said that people who are born blind are unable to see themselves in the mirror and others and therefore unable to guage visual cues, and therefore unable to guage the other's desire apart from audio and physical sensations. Would that make blind people exeptionally anxious because they can never see or know the object's desire around them, or exeptionally non anxious because they are not affected by the object's projection? Or are they only anxious towards audio and physical stimuli, which would suggest that anxiety has sensory and physical roots and not so much mental.
It comes as a surprise that 'angoisse' was translated into English as 'anxiety'. I was not aware of it. I thought 'angst' was a better word to describe this sensation. But I am not a native speaker. Thanks for the video!
Occasionally during the day I feel my stomach careening down a roller coaster. Two nights ago I suddenly lept out of bed and ran outside in a panic. I wasn't thinking about what others expected of me. Anxiety fuels me. Stay busy.
This is so accurate to my own anxiety. edit: No one but Lacan and Freud have been able to accurately describe how I feel and think. Everyone else pushes dumb self-helf theories.
But doesn't self esteem play a role in anxiety in that it influences how we believe others see us?The more we believe that we are worthless, the more we will assume that others are disappointed and dissatisfied with us. We believe that others see us the same way we see ourselves,but if we can figure out a way to increase our sense of self worth, maybe we won't feel as much anxiety because by having a favorable view of ourselves, we won't assume that others have a dissfavorable view of us,thus allowing us to relax and enjoy life a little more.
Anxiety is a term used by positivist psychology to describe an organic state of exaltation. Angst, on the other hand, is more related with subjectivity.
Otto rank's silly description of anxiety (how you put it) was never fairly examined by scholars ( according to Ernest becker), so just to clarify, do you think they are silly even after becker's "return to otto rank"? ( implying the same liberties Lacan took with his return to Freud). If so, then maybe there's some kind of critique you could tell me about, so I can better understand how becker failed to justify otto rank, because, until now, I took it "at face value"; thinking becker made a totally convincing argument.
The case of Little Hans, is definitely one which Freud refers to and works with a lot, but Lacan also refers to it in places, building upon it and working his own concepts further.
ColtraneTaylor i completely agree. I know there is a lot of useful stuff in the study of psychoanalysis, but it’s not a “total” lens thru which we can explain everything, and it presents itself as though it is.
@@ColtraneTaylor I think Lacan would say your desire to have a job, home, good health are all imposed on you through the Other, which is an external and independent symbolic structure (language) and henceforth alien to you. All our desires and needs we interpret and express through language or some symbolic structure...so we're alienated from ourselves. I've been reading Lacan all morning because I thought it would be helpful for my essay on empathy and alienation, but bruh.... I honestly wanna shoot myself :D
@@rosspkbg He might right enough about the symbolic thingy but unless he was an advanced yogi he'd need all of the bare essentials too. I wish they'd taken away his salary to put his phillosophies to the test. At least some yogi's can walk the walk.
Interesting. I have been meaning to read seminar X for a while now, but never seem to get around to it. Nonetheless, I am wondering how to square away this idea of "the sensation of the desire of the Other" alongside Freud's picture of anxiety in "Inhibitions, Symptoms, and Anxiety" in which, at least to my reading, amounts to the sensation of ones own overwhelming drives that have no route to satisfaction; a drive that is dangerous because one is helpless to find satisfaction for it. Freud notes interestingly that the neurotic accomplishes in the symptom a reprieve from anxiety and that particularly in conversion hysterics, anxiety is complete absent. Earlier, in some of Freud's metapsychology essays, he more summarily characterizes anxiety as the affect that emerges into consciousness without a conscious idea (even a substitute). I am curious how these might be reconciled.
Anxiety is trying to predict the future concerns with the past, when serenity is the now. All our best memories are all based around times we lived in the now. Concerts, wedding day, birth of children, albums, books, movies. I think I’ll just live in the now henceforth!
here is how i thought to relieve anxiety - i considered if the demand comes, what will be the outcome and what actions will i have to take. Realizing I could take those actions made anxiety go away. To pair this with - it is known that a person does something when it needs to be done. So its pretty reasonable to expect one will be ok if or when that thing happens.
in relationships the feel of "jeeez can this girl go away somewhere so i can stop being anxious" is stemming from what this vid shows. The men will say " well i like laying around or playing computer games." But girls want to come to you at that exact time to annoy you.
I find hard to understand why did the british translation chose the word anxiety everytime Lacan mentions “angoisse”, which would be much more closely translated to anguish in english. This condensation of terms i find quite amusing as a native spanish speaker, but i believe it doesn’t serve to clarify what we might be discussing here. I understand the concept of anguish in a much loose, existential tone than that one of anxiety, which i tend to assimilate to cognitive-conductual techniques.
I was looking for a comment that would talk about this. Es cierto que el término de la angustia va más allá del que se concibe en el idioma inglés (por ejemplo). Veo otros comentarios tocando el tema de forma superficial con respecto a la intervención de esto, pero creo es porque no se especifica el término al que se refiere Lacan. Angustia, no ansiedad. ¡Espero más personas puedan leer tu comentario! ¡Excelente aportación!
One could ask Lacan (or any expert of) if Anxiety and Phobias are subject to different cultures and races - Or is it the same through and through all types and groups of human beings. Monkeys, behave similar ways to human beings when it comes to violence, aggression and territorial matters.
Linking Lacanian Anxiety to Phobias is a tad bit of a stretch, as Phobias have little to do with the want of the Other, as ofter what is feared has no want whatsoever (heights are not wills, for instance). It is a simple fear to danger, intensified beyond understanding. Phobias may be triggered by Anxieties, but they themselves are not arisen from Anxieties (unless you want to bethink nature as a want of its own within the symbolic awareness of a given person, which I mean may be possible, though nature of course in truth has no will).
To me this sounds like social anxiety. Let's say you get an ocd episode where you get paranoid and eventually anxious about the most nonsensical thing, let's say that a tree may fall on you if you turn the corner. How is that related to the desire of others?
And this is why this video making no effort to distinguish between the other and the Other is very dangerous-for people without prior knowledge of the Lacanian Other it would be all too easy to misconstrue that quote as being about other _people,_ which it really isn’t
@@balewaif exactly, this is what I pointed out in another comment. These are abstract notions and you see that by paying attention to the capitalized letters if nothing. People take psychoanalytic ideas too concretely, they conflate or reduce the abstract idea with the manifestation of it. It would be as if I said in physics force is gravity when in fact force is a much more general term and gravitational force is a manifestation of that abstract idea
the problem is, that the object, that we might think the other desires and have trouble getting cause it is death driven and sublime (ideological), is basically a disguised subject
For me, the mantis example doesn’t work for illustrating the “expectant anxiety.” The experience/knowledge that some males have their heads bitten off after sex by the female presupposes a collective memory passed on to and stored in other males’ brains. This is too much of an assumption, because this experience cannot be passed on to the living males as the messenges themselves are dead. On the other hand, despite wearing a visually indistinguishable male or female mask (what about communication via pheromones?) allows mantises to recognize (and accept) the other as an opposite-sex partner. The poorly understood post-sex decapitation event can thus be only a wired-in reflex (maybe instinct) of the female (now it’s my pure speculation) to prevent the male from spreading his genes among other females or to eliminate the chance of a re-encounter (for whatever reasons). Anxiety is thus a higher-order cognitive experience and an expression of either communicated (learned/memorized) traumatic event or hardwired and retractable (DNA?) information.
Lacan is interesting. (Much more so than Freud!) It's maybe a little unfortunate that the Preying Mantis story is not nearly as well-substantiated as we tend to think. The cannibalistic behaviour does occur, but not in the majority of cases. As far as I can establish, most males die a few weeks after reproducing - and often this is due to an aggressive female. If the male is not only injured but killed, she seems to think 'waste not want not'... That said, most insects die fairly soon after reproducing. (The behaviour is known to occur much more frequently in laboratories - so ironically, it's related to the anxiety of the female, who is 'fed up' with being kept in a cage and becomes a real grouch. 'No need to bite my head off' as they say - this is closer to what really happens! :) ).
And this is why parents with narcissistic personality disorder are so extremely dangerous to their children’s well-being. These parents toxic parental style is built around violating boundaries, keeping the child guessing as to where they stand, and gaslighting the child into thinking that the parents disapproval is a function their child’s inadequacy.
Quite interesting, but had to give up watching at 4.26 because I couldn't tolerate the background music a second longer. Pity. It would have been fine without the music.
@@Miloun I think JDM is saying that a person with anxiety might not want to watch the entire video let alone read your comment or even my comment. No I'm not a psycho analysis but I do have anxiety, so I do know about these things.
I think it's because Otto argued that the traumatic event of the birth was the core of all fears and anxiety and in order to get rid of it the client would need to literally recreate this moment.
Rossana p... Terrible when you have to complain about a free education. This obviously isn't a comprehensive overview but a synopsis and you're getting a lot of info here to dive into on your own time so maybe instead of being a moany hole you could say thanks to the person who put this up on TH-cam. Thank you person. I learned a lot and will go over this video and text a few times to come to a better understanding of it all.
So if i feel anxious about a test or about a health problem, how is that a "desire of the other"? Anxiety is a fear response, not just a sensation of the others desire.
Yet these do provide an other. Whether that may be someone you wanna make proud for passing the test, or the family you may let down with a debilitating illness, whether consciously or not. You’re not an isolated being. Read some Freud.
@@omareloiza7795 Fear of failure and being stupid or letting your self down. Fear of dying have nothing to do with "others". Anxiety doesn't just feed others. Freud was just a man. Not an authority on all things.
vidfreak56 where does that fear of failure stem from? Just ask yourself that. Same with dying. One can emancipate the expectation of being something or “successful” at something but saying there’s no other influences but your own mind is something I have to disagree with
@@omareloiza7795 Just because you disagree with it doesnt make it wrong. Fear of death is a part of human biology. To say you cant feel anxiety about it is just wrong.
Psychoanalysis, and most fields of philosophy, use "object" the same way grammarians do. You are the subject, and you act upon an object - most notably, you desire an object. What that object is, or whether it even exists, is the foundation of much psychoanalytic research.
You've just helped me realize and understand the confusion I've had for many years about my childhood phobias. This was also very helpful to me as a writer, as all kinds of scenarios were flooding my mind during it. THANK YOU
Hi all, question for anyone willing to interpret: My good friend has a debilitating fear (phobia) of piegons. We live in New York, so...naturally these birds are everywhere. The phobia is so intense and powerful she alters her commute just to avoid any chance encounter with this creature. She knows I enjoy psychoanalytic theory/psychology and has asked me for advice, but so far I have been unable to locate the cause of her distress. What I do know, and can share with you here, is that her family is extremely dysfunctional. Her mom threatened to kill herself on many occasions and my friend had to intervene---grabbing the knife from her mom and getting cut in the process; calling the police to stop her mom from jumping off the Brooklyn Bridge... My friend has siblings her are constantly calling her and, just my impression here, treating her as if she were the mom. Her dad is emotionally unwell and withdrawn, to the point of depression it sounds like. Any idea why she would develop a phobia of pigeons?
The symbolization of the imaginary unto WHAT? What does symbolization accomplish? It seems that you're just displacing fear over and over again, creating more layers fear. Why does Lacan think this is a solution?
anxiety is nothing more than a biproduct of foresight. we are able to expect the future, and if our view of this vision involves a stimulus that endangers us, we feel anxiety. This is also what separates fear from anxiety. fear stipulates that the stimulus is present in the moment, anxiety does not. We can feel anxious of almost anything, and this video somewhat touches upon the fact that we often feel interpersonal anxiety. why? because we are dependent on others for our survival. We can also feel anxious of our feelings, as the consequence of expressing our emotions may cause us problems. I work as a clinical psychologist, and have been studying emotions for about 5 years now. I have to say, Lacans theory is confusing. I might be stupid, but to me it doesn't aid my understanding of anxiety. Nor does it help in any way. It comes of as quasi intellectual, but again, I might be saying this because i am stupid. If anyone reads this comment, and wants another take on anxiety, watch gabor mates video on attachment and authenticity. It makes more sense from a neurobiological and evolutional point of view
Actually thank you, heh. 😊😊 Here's an entertaining look at it, he was skeptical in 2015 but studies continue revealing more th-cam.com/video/rdlHNhrMw-A/w-d-xo.html
As a baby I’m glad you made the distinction relatable for me and the expectations of my caregiver
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Anxiety to me has five steps:
1. the wish for continued existence (or fear of death, ego death etc),
2 a. fear of the other´s future aggression
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b. future unavailability of help (stemming from childhood or disability),
3. the stifling of self expression in order to prevent 2a and 2b, the need to fit in, the shame of not fitting in.
4. the growing of the fear to more abstract precursors of aggression and isolation, like group-opinions or lack of love.
5. the resulting conscious and unconscious behaviour that ends up in a feedback loop.
step 3: The stifling of self expression can lead to the penting up of emotions/unawareness of emotions, which can lead to physical manifestations like tension in the body and awkwardness and ultimately panic attacks that are unrelated to any physical danger. The resulting lack of predictability of behaviour will lead to more fears of non-acceptance. (step 5)
A fear of stifled self-expression or not-living, may be harder to solve than actual fear of death, especially since a life of continuously stifled self expression makes death seem a valid option.
One treatment might be to point out that this deathwish from anxiety/depression is a minority report from the brain.
Wounds still close, repairs are made in other parts of the body, heart and breathing continue.
This might lead to a coping method of perceiving of the body as an ´other´. Seperating mind and body.
The advantage of this is that "making peace with the body" can then symbolise making peace with all 'others´, thus releaving anxiety.
As unexpressed emotions end up as tensions in the body, this might kill two birds with one stone and reduce awkwardness and .
This illusion of the separation of mind and body as a coping method can lead to strange persuasions like the existence of soul as a kind of mental body, tying anxiety neatly into the birth of religion and mysticism. Since growing up in a religious environment may lead to more stifling of self-expression (step 3) and the permanent presence of an imagined other, who has some form of authority over you, we can see how religion can be a self-reinforcing system.
This might explain the independent rise of religion and authoritive gods/god itself in so many cultures and the relative succes of stifling self expression in religions and cultures.
For instance it might also shed light on the self-reinforcing nature of growing up in other unattainable or impractical high ideals or morality and therefore the existence of morality, ethics and laws at all. And as an extreme how anxiety fuels woke-culture and left radicalism in a non-religious society, that gets its ideals from humanism. The reaction to being different is (partially correct if 2a or 2b are pertinent) seen as the reason for anxiety, it focuses on the second step in stead of the first. But in practice any regulation is a stifling of self-expression, which will lead to more shame of being different, unacceptance, increasing 2a and 2b. Unless it is paired with many honest expressions of self-doubt of not being able to maintain the high ideals..
The unavailability of help (2b), which in childhood might very well kill you, is for adults a remnant fear and can be treated with exposure.
Due to the gradually changing nature of a healthy body, and the often inadvertent growing of self-reliance a once rational fear is with a mature and healthy body and mind suddenly a irrational fear.
This is why a culture should stimulate the development of skills needed to survive alone in various environments..
A test of self-reliance, even a symbolic one, like growing your own food, a good campingtrip or maybe even a solo trip in a city might cure this base for the anxiety in a single blow and result in people who are not anxious when alone, but anxious in groups.
This might be an insight into the mentality of "preppers" and the importance of the second amendment to some americans.
It might also explain the populairity of self-reliance or survival baseda games, like minecraft or stardew valley, in an increasingly anxious culture and the need felt of having "vacations", other than as a status symbol.
Very insightful comment. Thanks very much. I thought you might have some videos on the topic and was surprised to be greeted by the Helium Hamsters, lol. Do you have any texts you recommend on anxiety?
Step away from caring what other people think. Learn to relate to what you need from others not the reverse. Anxiety fixes the locus of control in others not ourselves. We don't control the thoughts and actions of others, so this leads to a desire to people-please. And attendant Anxiety when we think we've been unable to please them. This is so fundamentally unhealthy. Learn what you need and how to communicate this to other people. Exercise. Then you'll be fulfilling your obligations to yourself at a basic level.
I've been on a spiritual journey for 7 years since 2013, having delved into all manner of healing modalities, books, and concepts, but this one video singlehandedly has answered so many questions I've been unable to grasp and approach in an adequate manner for YEARS. I've suffered from depression for half my life, been in and out of therapy that was both costly and unhelpful, and this video was a game changer! I was so fascinated that I took notes on this video about all that I realized as it came up, and it took me an hour to fully dissect this! I'm amazed! I think I found my newest quarantine hobby. Cheers!
This is amazing, we are so proud of you. How are you today? It was very brave of you to open up! Anxiety, or not knowing the reaction of the other is one of major questions I had to deal with, so I relate a lot. For me, mindfullness meditation helped to get back on track. I hope you are better today ❤️
Fantastic explanation of why we’re constantly trying to fill our holes with inadequate substitute objects
Thank you so much for your website, I have read dozens of your articles about Lacan. The article on Obsessional Neurosis and Lacan reading of the Rat Man case is still probably my favorite. Great to see a new video. I am a philosophy major working on my BA. Lacanonline has definitely been one of the most helpful resources for understating one of the most challenging and enigmatic figures in the field of psychoanalysis. Whether you agree with him or not, whether you see him as a genius or a madman, maybe a little of both, reading and engaging with Lacan is a hugely rewarding exercise in its own right. The language is dense at times and poetic at others, and always requires patience- but, when you finally start to make a connection between what Lacan was talking about and some experience of your own, something really special happens, and a space opens up for more conscious, more active and more purposeful living. For me at least, thats what Lacan has given me - along with plenty of headaches and not too few bouts of panic. Looking forward to more content like this
Lacan was primarily a psychologist, but also with some peripheral references to philosophy...maybe a converging synthesis of both. It can be said that the first psychologists were the early philosophers.
fantastic explanation of why we're constantly trying to fill our holes with inadequate substitute objects
I've not felt anxiety for years. 7 or so. Now it never comes in the form of anxiety, just pressure. And it always goes away after I act upon it and I do what I have to do. Then it doesn't even crystallize as a long term memory and it's gone forever.
it seems the governing principal of the universe is Pressure Mediation
Anxiety is when you know someone is going to ask something of you. It's unexpected and usually involves having to fork out for something you don't want. It comes in the form of a knock on your door or a registered letter. Maybe a better word for it is "apprehension". The reality is your fears are well founded and always confirmed.
so what changed for you. I am presuming you had a problem with anxiety
@@kjburkable Either constant presure, new found confidence in my own abilities, or both .
Pressure is just baby stages of anxiety.
I agree with this. If I delve into my own feelings/experiences of anxiety...it's exactly like this. Usually when having small talk with somebody or when I'm just about to teach a dance class, and ESPECIALLY when I'm asked to freestyle dance in front of somebody because I feel "I never know what they want" and I cannot stop myself from "feeling compelled to give that thing that I don't know what they want...to them" and so, I fumble, dance clumsily and walk away berating myself. 😕
It is funny because in french the book isn't Titled "anxiety" but "anguish".
Yes! In English there seems to be a lack of a term for angoisse. In spanish we have "angustia" and it depicts angoisse perfectly, but anxiety doesnt.
Angst is literally anxiety though. Why the pedantry...
I have never heard someone explain Lacan so clearly
aaand it probably means you misunderstood him... Lacan is sometimes painfully subversive
@@TheRocknrollmaniac Lacan regards his texts as performative as well as theory, correct?
@Batterson Society Why?
This is interesting. We live and exist in the presence of others-alive or dead, present or absent, hated or loved.
If I'm swimming in the ocean worried about sharks, is that not anxiety? How is that different that asking a girl out worrying about rejection? I don't get why anxiety is any more complicated than basic fear. With the girl, the fear is more social. If you're rejected that's evidence that you're ugly or undesireable. That's not something we want to believe about ourselves. That's what scares us.
It’s interesting how a mistranslation can go a long way when talking about such great ideas. In French Lacan actually uses L'angoisse to talk about what the cited book here refers to as "anxiety", the word can be more precisely translated to Anguish or Distress which to me changes the whole concept of what he developed on this seminar. Further so, Lacan never named the seminar, the published transcripts and hence the titles, are the work of Jacques Alain-Miller, Lacan’s pupil and son in law (true story) and even in Spanish, Millers second tongue, the seminar is translated to Anguish, not anxiety. This is relevant because Lacan had a great interest in the meaning of words and how these operate on the unconscious. To talk about anxiety may be one thing, relevant to modern psychology maybe, but to talk about anguish... now there is something to dive into and more relevant to psychoanalysis
Are langouste, anguish and anxiety not cognates, along with the german word 'angst'? Maybe we should also consider how and why the concept travelled through all these languages, and how the meanings of all these words are connected by their common ancestry
Wow, thank you sir. I found strange when i see a video abou Lacan and Anxiety in the same title. In Brasil portuguese, we call "angústia", its a lot diferent than "ansidade". Now, his explenation make a lot of more sense to me.
You mean l' angoisse (angst) because langouste means lobster ... unless of course you are being witty and referencing Dali's lobster-phone and the call from the other which can never be properly understood.
@@paulaa1175 jajaj I do mean l'angoisse, Im not being witty thank you for your correction. Talk about mistranslations. My first language is spanish and Im doing a bit of research on how in fact we get lost in translation. Amazing you brought up Dali, Lacan uses one of his essays to talk about intuition, the paranoia principle and how that is relevant on the psychoanalytic technique
@@bosschoruspedalunboxing6679 Someone just corrected me and I accidently wrote lobster, the word is actually l'angoisse jaja sorry about that.
The words might be cognates yet the significance (S1) is what brings another reading to the lecture. Following Saussures work on the sign, Lacan gives a special value to the significance over to the meaning of words to talk about the very structure of the unconscious. Altho these particular words might be connected by a common ancestry what I believe to be relevant to psychoanalysis here is that anxiety is refered to as a diagnosis, something we dont deal with in the practice, sometimes its refered to even as symptom or a sensation. Anguish on the other hand refers to something completely diferent, might be an existencial anguish or the anguish the Id goes through while being formed through the Other in the mirror stage. Anguish is better expressed as to something that is brought up after being something fundamental in ourselves is questioned
Wow this was profoundly impactful for me on an emotional and intellectual level. Thanks for your work.
This was amazing, thank you for making such great content
Anxiety is being treated like a stranger in your homeland, anxiety is the watchful eye of surveillance telling you everything you just did and judging it. Anxiety is created when others personalize every insult coming your way, Anxiety occurs when your security is constantly threatened, anxiety is created through society constantly telling you you aren’t enough(look at the prices of homes on Long Island, do you have enough?) Anxiety is the state in which they(the powers that be) want you in. If there isn’t anxiety they will create it. Anxiety is knowing you are being watched.
Indigo Ali right on brother, I hear you.
nop, axiety is the natural reaction to stress. Outside the kinda interesting but not very tested world of psychoanalysis, it's known that you see anxiety that way because you have learned to (from society and through your expericiences) and evolution of course is the base for how you learn it. But you don't have to have panic attacks you can learn a new structure of reaction to stress and change your behavior. Part of that is actually understanding that axiety is a natural thing. There are also types and levels of anxiety.
I don’t think those in power want those whom they exploit to be anxious, hence the widespread use of CBT and medical psychology. Anxiety is really their enemy; the beginning of the desire to subvert is the threatening presence of power and the cognizance of it’s manifestation in the form of it’s many potential desires. Sorry to get foucauldian here. If my boss comes to me with functionless request, one that does not manifest itself in material, I experience anxiety. He could be wanting to exploit me, change me, inflict upon me something fatal to my soul, my ego, my psyche, my social identity, whatever you want to call my formless being. In this way, anxiety is a sort of paranoia, a paranoia felt when the Other expresses it’s desire, a paranoia about what is desired, it is truly the recognition of the the triumvirate status of freedom, power, and violence, and the heights of their status.
@@SanguinarySun interesting take. The functionless request is essentially what Lacan categorizes as desire. Desire being the inexpressible difference between demand and need. So in that gap between the boss’s demand and the need expressed, there is something uncanny, an extra something that you detect that the boss wants, yet you can’t put your finger on it...you can’t negotiate it to either his nor your own satisfaction. This perplexity can easily become magnified into intense anxiety since your position is dependent on satisfying something mysterious beyond the stated demand...a game to which you are compelled to play without the benefit of being given the rules.
I’m surprised this didn’t mention anxiety as a fear of death. I’m new to Lacan. This video was fascinating, thanks
This made me anxious
You should make the distinction between the Other and the other as otherwise people will have a very mislead understanding.
If you can briefly, explain the difference?
@@TheRandomBiscuit For months I've been looking for someone to "briefly" define objet petit a and the Other (I know Lacan didn't want it to be translated, but je ne sais pas what the Other is called in French). Lacan was one of the most frustrating individuals to ever walk the earth, albeit probably also a genius ("probably" because I have no clue what the hell he's talking about most of the time).
dumb
The fact that he just talks about "the other" without describing, as if Lacan simply refers to other people, is frightening. I wonder if this rushed attempt at understanding great intellectuals actually has roots in our desire to understand things or just to say that we know what the "great thinkers" were talking about.
@@Zhongda95 Actually, this makes a lot of sense. Please see it this way. The other is yourself and actually the other. Allow me to explain. There is something called an identity, this means, it is something that you identify yourself with. Therefore you like someone because she has something that you think (consciously or unconsciously) that you are. Everybody needs what they are. (This is in fact what makes capitalism work... you buy products that in one way or another are what you need, and you need your self). Most people say, no, I want what I am lacking, but this is because you don't know yourself. Nobody really does. This is the whole point of a big chunk of your life, many people say it is a part of enlightenment,
So what this man is saying, makes total sense to me, because of this. Everything that we know is what we feel, we just don't understand our feelings. We need to strive and understand them, what you feel is what you are, more than you will ever know.
The explanation of the child is dead brilliant and to me it seems so accurate, it is amazing. Imagine all the monsters and the whole Horror Genre is just that, an imaginative gateway to what we don't understand, but definitely feel. We are afraid of what we are.
Terrible when you have to read text that says something different from what you are talking. Lots of potential but this video needs to be formatted and delivered in a more cohesive way.
Rossana P you’re right.
Constructive criticism, not destructive
Completely agree. I created videos as part of my job and having to stop the video every 10 seconds is distracting and disruptive.
@Crom Let's wait for the book to come out then.
Crom My text to voice is broken. So is my sense of humour.
@serendipidus1 exactly, dude. And I have to translate reading and listening full time processing this whole complex content.
This to me is the great dilemma concerning "anxiety": Is it considered "anxiety" in the psychological sense if the feeling of anxiety or panic is directly and rationally connected to potentially negative situations? Or is the diagnosis of "anxiety" only made if one's feelings of fear and dread are entirely unconnected to both identifiable and reasonable causes?
From my experience, the diagnosis largely depends on how much this anxiety affects your every-day life.
For example, I get anxiety from both identifiable causes (like having to give a presentation in front of lots of people) and unidentifiable causes. Sometimes I just wake up with that general feeling of dread, or that something is off. The main thing, though, is how often these feelings come up, and how much they impact my ability to get on with things.
But please keep in mind that while I have a psychology degree, this is largely anecdotal!
If there are potentially negative situations rationally considered so then that is not anxiety. It is mostly fear.
Anxiety is much more elusive and undetermined.
Shots fired on CBT! Excellent, thanks!
Desire and its enigma. Thank you for the video!
Anxiety is essentially your brain stuck in a "What If" loop
It's more existential.
@Crom That's very practical but misses the point entirely.
@Crom your anxious?
Simply put Anxiety is a lack of love.. its fear announced in its various forms.. doubt worry lack insecurity death. Wen love is present anxiety fades.
@Crom I believe he's talking about the feeling of security that comes from being loved, or feeling loved. It's about connectedness and identity. Often an absence of home or an unhappy, unstable home life; social, school environment, can lead to damaged adulthood... substance abuse. Narcissistic Personality Disorder is often linked to childhood environment.
Such a great head of hair.
Such a great comment
Anxiety it's the consequence of imagination of yourself in failure, in any sense: economic, sociological, health.
Interesting, can you recommend me some further reading on this idea?
How would Lacan's theory apply to blind people? Can it be said that people who are born blind are unable to see themselves in the mirror and others and therefore unable to guage visual cues, and therefore unable to guage the other's desire apart from audio and physical sensations. Would that make blind people exeptionally anxious because they can never see or know the object's desire around them, or exeptionally non anxious because they are not affected by the object's projection? Or are they only anxious towards audio and physical stimuli, which would suggest that anxiety has sensory and physical roots and not so much mental.
Lacan addressed this on Seminal XI when talking about the gaze. Check it out ;)
@@morocotopo3905 I find Lacan pretty hard to understand but I would like to know how he addressed this question. Can I ask you a short summary?
Beautiful comment btw, I never thought about a question like this
The important point in Lacan´s ideas are in the language. A blind person is in the language just like any other person
the imaginary refers to the imagination, as well; i.e., any sensory perception, not just visual
It comes as a surprise that 'angoisse' was translated into English as 'anxiety'. I was not aware of it. I thought 'angst' was a better word to describe this sensation. But I am not a native speaker. Thanks for the video!
I'm from Quebec, my first English word for angoisse is anguish haha.. Seems to be the closest translation in my opinion
Angst means anxiety so.....
@@Chikalita2 thanks!
I´m from Brazil and in the Portuguese version of this seminar, the translator used the word 'angústia' (which means anguish).
Thank you for explaining so fully.
Occasionally during the day I feel my stomach careening down a roller coaster. Two nights ago I suddenly lept out of bed and ran outside in a panic. I wasn't thinking about what others expected of me. Anxiety fuels me. Stay busy.
What??
You might want to look into that more closely..
That sounds more like mania.
This is so accurate to my own anxiety.
edit: No one but Lacan and Freud have been able to accurately describe how I feel and think. Everyone else pushes dumb self-helf theories.
They're fucking noxious. The self help theories.
May I ask what Freud?
But doesn't self esteem play a role in anxiety in that it influences how we believe others see us?The more we believe that we are worthless, the more we will assume that others are disappointed and dissatisfied with us. We believe that others see us the same way we see ourselves,but if we can figure out a way to increase our sense of self worth, maybe we won't feel as much anxiety because by having a favorable view of ourselves, we won't assume that others have a dissfavorable view of us,thus allowing us to relax and enjoy life a little more.
These are really excellent videos. Nicely done.
anxiety is like being pushed onto a stage without knowing the scene, the lines, or what the audience wants.
When precisely can we consider the function of the phobia "performed" ?
Very interesting how it differs from kierkagarrd and even sinilar
Anxiety is a term used by positivist psychology to describe an organic state of exaltation. Angst, on the other hand, is more related with subjectivity.
In spanish we translate it ANGST, I don´t understand why they use Anxiety!!
In shot is it too much empathy to the point of inflation...?
Otto rank's silly description of anxiety (how you put it) was never fairly examined by scholars ( according to Ernest becker), so just to clarify, do you think they are silly even after becker's "return to otto rank"? ( implying the same liberties Lacan took with his return to Freud). If so, then maybe there's some kind of critique you could tell me about, so I can better understand how becker failed to justify otto rank, because, until now, I took it "at face value"; thinking becker made a totally convincing argument.
Hello, I like your work very much and I want to follow it, I'm having a little trouble with the language. Can you bring a Turkish subtitle option?
The last part on phobias reminded of freuds case with the child that was afraid of horses
The case of Little Hans, is definitely one which Freud refers to and works with a lot, but Lacan also refers to it in places, building upon it and working his own concepts further.
But are anxieties about losing job, home, life, health etc. related to other's expectations of us? I don't see it.
ColtraneTaylor i completely agree. I know there is a lot of useful stuff in the study of psychoanalysis, but it’s not a “total” lens thru which we can explain everything, and it presents itself as though it is.
@@jamesbubbastewartjr I'm still assuming Lacan or his followers must have addressed that somewhere. It's a very basic question to ask.
@@ColtraneTaylor I think Lacan would say your desire to have a job, home, good health are all imposed on you through the Other, which is an external and independent symbolic structure (language) and henceforth alien to you. All our desires and needs we interpret and express through language or some symbolic structure...so we're alienated from ourselves. I've been reading Lacan all morning because I thought it would be helpful for my essay on empathy and alienation, but bruh.... I honestly wanna shoot myself :D
@@rosspkbg He might right enough about the symbolic thingy but unless he was an advanced yogi he'd need all of the bare essentials too. I wish they'd taken away his salary to put his phillosophies to the test. At least some yogi's can walk the walk.
Great video! In which video do you speak about the middle term between demand and desire? I would love to know what that term is!
This seems specific to social anxiety, but there are other types of anxiety
amazing explanation, thank you very much for making this video
Interesting. I have been meaning to read seminar X for a while now, but never seem to get around to it. Nonetheless, I am wondering how to square away this idea of "the sensation of the desire of the Other" alongside Freud's picture of anxiety in "Inhibitions, Symptoms, and Anxiety" in which, at least to my reading, amounts to the sensation of ones own overwhelming drives that have no route to satisfaction; a drive that is dangerous because one is helpless to find satisfaction for it. Freud notes interestingly that the neurotic accomplishes in the symptom a reprieve from anxiety and that particularly in conversion hysterics, anxiety is complete absent. Earlier, in some of Freud's metapsychology essays, he more summarily characterizes anxiety as the affect that emerges into consciousness without a conscious idea (even a substitute). I am curious how these might be reconciled.
Anxiety is trying to predict the future concerns with the past, when serenity is the now. All our best memories are all based around times we lived in the now. Concerts, wedding day, birth of children, albums, books, movies. I think I’ll just live in the now henceforth!
good point!
@@Booogieman thanks! Hope you're well.
Yes. Perfect description.
here is how i thought to relieve anxiety - i considered if the demand comes, what will be the outcome and what actions will i have to take. Realizing I could take those actions made anxiety go away. To pair this with - it is known that a person does something when it needs to be done. So its pretty reasonable to expect one will be ok if or when that thing happens.
in relationships the feel of "jeeez can this girl go away somewhere so i can stop being anxious" is stemming from what this vid shows. The men will say " well i like laying around or playing computer games." But girls want to come to you at that exact time to annoy you.
But this is only social anxiety, right?
great video but it's hard to follow when the words spoken don't follow exactly with the text
This is important information
Glad the channel is back. Amazing video as usual.
I find hard to understand why did the british translation chose the word anxiety everytime Lacan mentions “angoisse”, which would be much more closely translated to anguish in english. This condensation of terms i find quite amusing as a native spanish speaker, but i believe it doesn’t serve to clarify what we might be discussing here. I understand the concept of anguish in a much loose, existential tone than that one of anxiety, which i tend to assimilate to cognitive-conductual techniques.
I was looking for a comment that would talk about this.
Es cierto que el término de la angustia va más allá del que se concibe en el idioma inglés (por ejemplo). Veo otros comentarios tocando el tema de forma superficial con respecto a la intervención de esto, pero creo es porque no se especifica el término al que se refiere Lacan. Angustia, no ansiedad.
¡Espero más personas puedan leer tu comentario! ¡Excelente aportación!
One could ask Lacan (or any expert of) if Anxiety and Phobias are subject to different cultures and races - Or is it the same through and through all types and groups of human beings. Monkeys, behave similar ways to human beings when it comes to violence, aggression and territorial matters.
What is “silly” about Otto Rank’s theories?
Linking Lacanian Anxiety to Phobias is a tad bit of a stretch, as Phobias have little to do with the want of the Other, as ofter what is feared has no want whatsoever (heights are not wills, for instance). It is a simple fear to danger, intensified beyond understanding. Phobias may be triggered by Anxieties, but they themselves are not arisen from Anxieties (unless you want to bethink nature as a want of its own within the symbolic awareness of a given person, which I mean may be possible, though nature of course in truth has no will).
To me this sounds like social anxiety. Let's say you get an ocd episode where you get paranoid and eventually anxious about the most nonsensical thing, let's say that a tree may fall on you if you turn the corner. How is that related to the desire of others?
I thought the same when i watch the video, he is talking about social anxiety
And this is why this video making no effort to distinguish between the other and the Other is very dangerous-for people without prior knowledge of the Lacanian Other it would be all too easy to misconstrue that quote as being about other _people,_ which it really isn’t
@@balewaif exactly, this is what I pointed out in another comment. These are abstract notions and you see that by paying attention to the capitalized letters if nothing. People take psychoanalytic ideas too concretely, they conflate or reduce the abstract idea with the manifestation of it. It would be as if I said in physics force is gravity when in fact force is a much more general term and gravitational force is a manifestation of that abstract idea
Montaigne had a words about this.《 Who dreads, suffers》 This is a bit dense. Overly complicated
Please make another video. Great!
I’m new to Lacan and wasn’t sure if just having Heidegger’s ideas on embodying anxiety was enough…
Thanks for the lecture 👍
Thanks a lot for this channel I adore Lacan ,he was a genius!
And a charlatan at the same time.
the problem is, that the object, that we might think the other desires and have trouble getting cause it is death driven and sublime (ideological), is basically a disguised subject
Rich people: Anxiety is the sensation of the desire of the Other.
The rest of us: Anxiety is the sensation of the desire of the Landlord/Bank.
For me, the mantis example doesn’t work for illustrating the “expectant anxiety.” The experience/knowledge that some males have their heads bitten off after sex by the female presupposes a collective memory passed on to and stored in other males’ brains. This is too much of an assumption, because this experience cannot be passed on to the living males as the messenges themselves are dead. On the other hand, despite wearing a visually indistinguishable male or female mask (what about communication via pheromones?) allows mantises to recognize (and accept) the other as an opposite-sex partner. The poorly understood post-sex decapitation event can thus be only a wired-in reflex (maybe instinct) of the female (now it’s my pure speculation) to prevent the male from spreading his genes among other females or to eliminate the chance of a re-encounter (for whatever reasons). Anxiety is thus a higher-order cognitive experience and an expression of either communicated (learned/memorized) traumatic event or hardwired and retractable (DNA?) information.
Lacan is interesting. (Much more so than Freud!) It's maybe a little unfortunate that the Preying Mantis story is not nearly as well-substantiated as we tend to think. The cannibalistic behaviour does occur, but not in the majority of cases.
As far as I can establish, most males die a few weeks after reproducing - and often this is due to an aggressive female. If the male is not only injured but killed, she seems to think 'waste not want not'... That said, most insects die fairly soon after reproducing. (The behaviour is known to occur much more frequently in laboratories - so ironically, it's related to the anxiety of the female, who is 'fed up' with being kept in a cage and becomes a real grouch. 'No need to bite my head off' as they say - this is closer to what really happens! :) ).
And this is why parents with narcissistic personality disorder are so extremely dangerous to their children’s well-being. These parents toxic parental style is built around violating boundaries, keeping the child guessing as to where they stand, and gaslighting the child into thinking that the parents disapproval is a function their child’s inadequacy.
what's up with the flashing subliminal images?
where? i didn't see them.
@6:13
Quite interesting, but had to give up watching at 4.26 because I couldn't tolerate the background music a second longer. Pity. It would have been fine without the music.
I new to this whole philosophy and psychoanalysis thing so it will be better if someone can suggest how do I start ...
Freud
Excellent concept.
The inability to actually watch this video.
the content is well written tho.
@@Miloun I think JDM is saying that a person with anxiety might not want to watch the entire video let alone read your comment or even my comment. No I'm not a psycho analysis but I do have anxiety, so I do know about these things.
Let's call it a 'lack'
@@js27-a5t
You call it what you want Jim.
wow this is eye opening thank you
Whats the Name of the Soundtrack?
Thanks this cured my anxiety, was is supposed to do this?
Amazing channel!
A lot of people in the comments clearly were unable to follow and are instead rehashing de Botton’s feel-good pop-phil
> I am smart
Alain always makes you feel you've hit rock de Bottom.
Always telling you how shitty everything is and how happy you should feel about it.
Excellent thank you
I don't understand lacans' sentences sounds complex /:
Can you explain the dig on Otto Rank? I'm not sure I fully understand what you're getting at. Thank you!
I think it's because Otto argued that the traumatic event of the birth was the core of all fears and anxiety and in order to get rid of it the client would need to literally recreate this moment.
@@meunomejaestavaemuso yes it was a short roast of Otto Rank, though his viewpoint shouldn't be refused so quickly.
Very interesting.
This video make mye anxious. It is impossible to watch. And what about this flash of images that appear? A book, a symbol... 👀
Brilliant video!!
What Lacan is realy talking about os not simple anxiety, is anguish. There is a diference between these concepts.
Thank you, Christiano. Please do elaborate!
This is great, I finally understand a concept in Lacanian analysis. His writings just appear to be gibberish, I need a dumbing down I guess.
I personally think no background music is better. Regards.
Rossana p... Terrible when you have to complain about a free education. This obviously isn't a comprehensive overview but a synopsis and you're getting a lot of info here to dive into on your own time so maybe instead of being a moany hole you could say thanks to the person who put this up on TH-cam. Thank you person. I learned a lot and will go over this video and text a few times to come to a better understanding of it all.
I enjoyed the info very much but the soundtrack did absolutely nothing for me, thanks!
So if i feel anxious about a test or about a health problem, how is that a "desire of the other"? Anxiety is a fear response, not just a sensation of the others desire.
Yet these do provide an other. Whether that may be someone you wanna make proud for passing the test, or the family you may let down with a debilitating illness, whether consciously or not. You’re not an isolated being. Read some Freud.
@@omareloiza7795 Fear of failure and being stupid or letting your self down. Fear of dying have nothing to do with "others". Anxiety doesn't just feed others. Freud was just a man. Not an authority on all things.
vidfreak56 but have you read him lol
vidfreak56 where does that fear of failure stem from? Just ask yourself that. Same with dying. One can emancipate the expectation of being something or “successful” at something but saying there’s no other influences but your own mind is something I have to disagree with
@@omareloiza7795 Just because you disagree with it doesnt make it wrong. Fear of death is a part of human biology. To say you cant feel anxiety about it is just wrong.
these are great, thanks for the good work
"Other" (with capital letter) has different meaning that "other". The same as "god" and "God".
3:55 A lac of Lacan, eh?
Love of an object, what does that mean?
Psychoanalysis, and most fields of philosophy, use "object" the same way grammarians do. You are the subject, and you act upon an object - most notably, you desire an object. What that object is, or whether it even exists, is the foundation of much psychoanalytic research.
You've just helped me realize and understand the confusion I've had for many years about my childhood phobias. This was also very helpful to me as a writer, as all kinds of scenarios were flooding my mind during it. THANK YOU
@Batterson Society you too, brother
I pulverize anxiety into a pulp whenever it comes upon me. Keeps me in good shape.
Hi all, question for anyone willing to interpret: My good friend has a debilitating fear (phobia) of piegons. We live in New York, so...naturally these birds are everywhere. The phobia is so intense and powerful she alters her commute just to avoid any chance encounter with this creature. She knows I enjoy psychoanalytic theory/psychology and has asked me for advice, but so far I have been unable to locate the cause of her distress. What I do know, and can share with you here, is that her family is extremely dysfunctional. Her mom threatened to kill herself on many occasions and my friend had to intervene---grabbing the knife from her mom and getting cut in the process; calling the police to stop her mom from jumping off the Brooklyn Bridge... My friend has siblings her are constantly calling her and, just my impression here, treating her as if she were the mom. Her dad is emotionally unwell and withdrawn, to the point of depression it sounds like. Any idea why she would develop a phobia of pigeons?
Nathan T when her mom was on the bridge we're there any pigeons around?...
The phobia could be a convenient distraction? It’s easier to be afraid of pigeons than it is to process the pain of parents’ dysfunction/neglect
Why do you have this canned music in the background?
The symbolization of the imaginary unto WHAT? What does symbolization accomplish? It seems that you're just displacing fear over and over again, creating more layers fear. Why does Lacan think this is a solution?
anxiety is nothing more than a biproduct of foresight. we are able to expect the future, and if our view of this vision involves a stimulus that endangers us, we feel anxiety. This is also what separates fear from anxiety. fear stipulates that the stimulus is present in the moment, anxiety does not. We can feel anxious of almost anything, and this video somewhat touches upon the fact that we often feel interpersonal anxiety. why? because we are dependent on others for our survival. We can also feel anxious of our feelings, as the consequence of expressing our emotions may cause us problems.
I work as a clinical psychologist, and have been studying emotions for about 5 years now. I have to say, Lacans theory is confusing. I might be stupid, but to me it doesn't aid my understanding of anxiety. Nor does it help in any way. It comes of as quasi intellectual, but again, I might be saying this because i am stupid. If anyone reads this comment, and wants another take on anxiety, watch gabor mates video on attachment and authenticity. It makes more sense from a neurobiological and evolutional point of view
Fascinating. Very well put together video - you negated the desire of the other (us viewers) very effectively when putting it together.
there's also anxiety from toxoplasma eating gaba, then substituted by glutamate, fighting oneself
Actually thank you, heh. 😊😊
Here's an entertaining look at it, he was skeptical in 2015 but studies continue revealing more
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The insect scenes gave me anxiety