I’ll never forget back in my early teens playing the entire Love Supreme album for a friend and when it was over my friend asked me what we just listened to. I told him that it was John Coltrane searching for something. My friend’s response was, “sounds like he found it.”
The very first time I listened to A Love Supreme I felt the spiritual connection Coltrane was putting forth to God and feel it to this very day, simply a Coltrane classic❤️
In the context of spiritual and transcendental jazz music, we must not forget the Earth to John’s Sun Alice Coltrane who replaced Tyner on piano in 1966 and together the spiritual vibrations of their musical harmony elevated them both to yet another summit of their illustrious music careers. Their union was the embodiment of a Love Supreme. 💙
He is the best to ever do it in terms of jazz musicians to me. I will forever appreciate and listen to the musical givings of John Coltrane and his legendary quartet.
Being introduced to John Coltrane by McCoy Tyner, whom I had met through my practice in the 1980's, sent shivers through my spine the first time listening to Blue Train and Afro Blue. Those moments instantaneously transformed by musical tastes from the Allman Brothers (whom I still love to this day) Southern Rock and the Blues, to incorporate Jazz, which I had never prior considered of great interest and of which I had never felt compelled to understand or dissect. I was taken on a thought provoking journey, had my eyes opened, while they were physically closed by these very intense musical arrangements. Tears welled in my eyes, and my fists clenched the first time I listened to these marvelous masterpieces, such visceral responses they elicited. One of the disappointments of my life will invariably be not being able to have enjoyed seeing, feeling, and experiencing the intensity of John Coltrane and McCoy Tyner performing live at an intimate setting such as the Blue Note in NYC. Spiritual, Transformational is how I characterize the music of John Coltrane, at least to me. A Love Supreme is not only a masterpiece of music, it speaks to the soul of man straining to reach a higher spiritual ideal. It cannot fail to move the listener, unless that listener's mind and heart are closed and cold to the suffering of this world and others.
I discovered my love for jazz in 2016 when I heard Miles Davis kind of Blue and next was John Coltrane Love supreme. What a way to start! Another NeverEnding rabbit hole. So much to discover.
A Love Supreme is the album that I listen to more often than any other album. Coltrane is my favorite musician and his Classic Quartet is my favorite band. Whenever I need to feel spirituality uplifted, I listen to the music of John Coltrane. I’m not religious but September 23 has been and is an annual holiday for me.
The fourth movement...oh my. I have to brace myself when that transition happens. The tears well up and hold until they can no longer, then, they free themselves. Ya Allah! It takes me on a journey through so many stages of my life. I'm transported somewhere that even I'm afraid of entering but can't help to be drawn to. I move through so much darkness: sadness, pain, fear only to ascend from the end into a light so bright. One of hope, healing, and peace. Listen man, this album...otherworldly. Got me through sometimes jack (as my elders use to say LOL)
Must Comment here. I have Listened to Alot of Music. As The Healing Force A Love Supreme and Live Versions Especially in Seattle brings out The Best in One's Appreciation for something Bigger than Worldy Things. It was a Gift to The Greator. There has been Nothing but Respect Around World. When You See " A Love Supreme"
When I first heard the album , I could sense the spirituality that he was conveying. Deeply moving like much of his music.I am be Coltrane fan for life .
When I got to college in the early '90s, I knew I didn't know anything about jazz and wanted to rectify that (especially since so many of my professors were jazz enthusiasts, and I wanted to connect with them is some way). At a bargain bin in the local shopping mall, I saw a cassette tape for 3.99 that said A Love Supreme, and I grabbed it. Very difficult and challenging. Its not a all what I was expecting, and I wasn't sure I liked it. At my next meeting with one of my history professors, I mentioned in passing that i brought John Coltrane's Love Supreme, but i wasn't sure if I like it. He looked at me and said- "That's a difficult, challenging record! But keep listening to it." Maybe it was his acknowledgement to me that its a difficult album, but inspired me to keep listening. This album eventually blew my mind.
Come on, people. John Coltrane did not play every instrument. If you must ascribe a god to what he did on that album, Elvin Jones, Jimmy Garrison, and McCoy Tyner comprised a pantheon of divine beings.
I really need to see that whole documentary, looks great! A Love Supreme is probably my favorite jazz album of all time, and even if not it’s definitely something spiritual and special.
I found it a very valuable biography, filled with personal stories from those who knew him intimately. Crucially for me was the heartfelt memoir of Benny Golson. Who I had not realized was a childhood friend of Coltrane's.
Lived nearby and made trips to see the house in Dix Hills in the 70s and 80s to pay my respects. The Coltrane Home is now a non-profit and raising funds to completely restore the home and create a museum and education center which also will do music performances.
I'm with Jimmy H. I love Resolution. The piano! (Lucky enough to see (hear) Jimmy H. in NYC about 10 times back in the 70s). PS: hearing Santana live was the same experience as hearing Coltrane for the first time. Wept with joy.
John Coltrane is my favorite music artist of all times. He is the closest thing to God for me. I went to alot of churches in my life time aa well as various places of worship, but none of those preachers, pastures and religious clergyman ever touched or inspired me like listening to John Coltrane's music. Listening to John Coltrane's classic quartet and a Love Supreme is like listening and having a conversation with God. Real talk...
John Coltrane recorded A Love Supreme in December of 1964 and released it the following year. He presented it as a spiritual declaration that his musical devotion was now intertwined with his faith in God. 3:03 [NPR]
Das ist eine tolle Dokumentation über John Coltrane. Sehenswert. Ich habe in meinem Leben viel an Musik konsumiert; unterschiedliche Genres. Aber ich habe noch nie in meinem Leben so ein Album wie ,,A Love supreme" gehört. Wahrscheinlich hat ihn die Fingerspitze des Allmächtigen berührt, bevor er das Album schrieb. Es ist ein einzigartiges Album. Dürfte ich nur ein Album besitzen, dann wäre es ,,A Love Supreme"
McCoy was an absolutely brilliant man on the keys, and really should be spoken of in the same sentence as Tatum, Monk, Brubeck, Herbie, Chick, Kieth Jarret, Bill Evans, etc… Yes, I think he’s that good. Also, his 60s and 70s solo works are really underrated imo, some of which are masterpieces. It’s unfortunate but understandable that people just think of him with Coltrane when they think of McCT.. Anyone who loves it, but doesn’t know of his albums as band leader, is missing out!
I saw McCoy play a show in Seattle in the early 2000's. On a different occasion there I saw Ray Brown. McCoy seemed a mirthful old man whose steps kept one foot always in some aetheric realm. Ray had blazing black pools of fire for eyes. Brown seemed deeply grounded and concentrated on stage. Tyner seemed to hover like a forest mist above it.
i always have the same in mind. its just like the first sunrise on earth after a long time of darkness when the world was built over aeons. same thing on a specific zappa orchestral piece.
as remarkable as this very personal work is, I've always felt that "Ascension" was a more religious endeavor -- and accomplishment -- for its creator and players and a more profound experience for the listener
Alice herself was a titanic figure in the music, and so underappreciated by many people. I can listen to her music all day long. Thanks for lifting her up
Yeah, Slick Willy being in there is definitely cringe… I can get why the documentary people may have wanted him in there, but it makes me wince a bit.. It’s like a dirty little fly in the champagne punch bowl…
Great music isn’t denied to anyone. It is universal, all inclusive. Don’t let your political bias blind you to it’s broad appeal. Clinton was known to be a fan of jazz, so having a past president give his testament to his appreciation for Coltrane isn’t far fetched.
@@cycleoflife565 no, it isn’t far fetched, and yes, jazz/all art, and/or any and all inspiration per art, are open to anyone… I don’t think that contradicts the point I’m making at all, though perhaps the OP would disagree. Slick Willy can understand the beauty of god and Coltrane in his own way, and still do all the things he did during his political career, and now as an extremely wealthy/powerful person.. My main point was that because he did do these certain things (that imo definitely fly in the face of “spiritual enlightenment”, or the kind of vision put forward by Coltrane), he sticks out like a sore thumb, and it’s cringey to have him as part of this specific conversation.. Nobody is perfect. We all fail and fall hard, and we all hurt others, but we don’t all make a career and life out of doing objective damage that would be liable for prosecution at The Hague, if those laws/morals and that institution actually meant anything at all.. That’s not my political bias speaking, that’s my recognition of important and relevant distinctions between one person here (Bill), and everyone else. What is my bias speaking is that those differences matter and are relevant, which I’m sure many (perhaps you) would disagree with. But, sure, I’ll give you that Bill’s presence here isn’t necessarily farfetched, and that he certainly can feel the spirit in the music, in spite of the other factors.. ✌️
I like Lester Young and Sonny Rollins, and I've recently, at the age of 63, been getting into Ornette Coleman. But I've never been able to see what the big deal was about John Coltrane OR Charlie Parker. 😮
Go Back and Listen to Earlier Things Like Invitation While My Lady Sleeps Russian Lullaby and Work your way through Miles Years both Tenures Monk Music Then Check Miles Coltrane European Tour and Then Your Ready. Follow Leadership from there
@@ericscott203 I like Coltrane's work with Miles Davis. But as a solo artist, while, like Parker, technically brilliant; on Giant Steps, Blue Train and A Love Supreme I find his playing strangely mechanical, subdued and unemotional. 😲 Unlike the playing of Young, Rollins or Coleman.
There is this guy named Todd Boyd…he’s has a doctors in something…but almost any documentary that has to deal with the 90’s…he’s in it…even though he has zero contain to whatever is being discussed in the documentary…and he’s so fucking annoying..plus he’s a hater… I can’t stand when they have people who has no connection to the subject of a documentary, give their opinion on the subject…and generally in pretentious dribble
Trump was out making fake news and Biden couldn't remember that the documentary was being done. Bush II was busy looking for Iraqi baddies who badmouthed his dad. Jimmy Carter was out building houses for Habitat for Humanity.
-1950s & early 60s slang can describe his music in this album: Cool, hip, slick, bop, tough, smooth, urban, urbane, outta sight, etheral, deep, blue. He was definitely inspired by something higher & inspiring to many of us mere mortals
Whether you feel there be a need for a "god" is your own business. For me there is actually little difference between a christian and an atheist, as both are personal choices of ways to think about the mystery of life. You have no right to declare that there is no need for a god as a general claim, but for only your own personal opinion. Nor is their any right to claim that you must believe not only in a God, but one of a particular religion or denomination. This is fine as an opinion, but to force that as a conclusion that without which you will be executed as a witch or be otherwise relegated to a lower strand of human existence,... well that's obviously ridiculous! ( just as ridiculous as insulting an artist for honestly expressing his own summary of cosmology as a theme to his work. Coltrane and co do not preach or rebuke or reserve their music as a slur against atheists, but I myself am of the opinion that those who pontificate on how in general any artist explains his muse not to be conducive with a particular political or rational affiliation of the listener's comfort zone not lacking in spiritual maturity so much as mean spirited and unimaginative, which to me is a greater fault than evangelical zeal or dogmatic atheism. Do you think you know everything about all those artists' inner sense and motivation, or do you just approach all art as a mathematical equation to be analysed and added to the community of opinion when it suits the mechanisms of your own team of group identity? Just use your ears and your heart and you will start to hear music.
My favorite jazz work is A Love Supreme. However, I am saddened by the fact that the artists attribute this masterpiece to religious praise for "God". Although I understand religious convictions are involved, there is no need for a god. The jazz and blues tradition and the humanity of Black people helped give birth to A Love Supreme.
i myself am not religious, but i think its presumptive that god was not a necessary piece of why this record came to be at all. god extends beyond any religion, and reverence for god, whether you personally believe god to exist or not, is powerful. it is clear that john’s connection to the divine was integral to what he was capable of and who he became.
John Coltrane was a genius , like many of his contemporaries in the Jazz and rock scenes took a lot of acid. When he talked of God it wasn't some delusional abstract religious belief it was lived experience. However that said I understand the atheist perspective because it's closer to the truth than the religious perspective. I would have been an Atheist had I never taken acid.
I don’t get why his religious interpretation should sadden you. If he has a personal relationship with God and chooses to honour Him with his music because he believes in God he is allowed to. Just as you are also allowed to attribute your motivation to why you do things to something else. Black folks have had strong belief in God since time, and is evident in a lot of what we do. Listen to all the great black musicans and you’ll find there is a history of church, worship, prayer directly and indirectly. Let’s be appreciative of getting to enjoy this masterpiece and respect his vision and inspiration for it.
@@EricGronneberg they needn’t be and are not one in the same, but if you don’t know what they have to do with each other then maybe you’ve: never taken it, and/or never had a seriously transcendental trip, and/or never had a seriously psychedelic transcendental experience in the context of meditating on God/the Divine. That’s cool, no judgement here, but the psychedelic experience has not only just been thought of as spiritual or sacred in western traditions or by hippies… many “primitive” cultures use psychedelics in their spiritual rituals, as a way to commune with the Divine, etc.. There’s actually a lot of really interesting scholarship on this subject, if you’re really interested in getting an exhaustive answer to your original question, and to related questions (like substitute acid for psychedelic mushrooms, or God for spirit and/or the transcendent). ✌️
I grew up devouring Coltrane being myself a saxophone player and for many years even believed that through learning about taoism there could be a form of god I could relate too although as I understand now taoism is the denial of formalizing god and I stopped believing in any form of supernatural stuff and learning the history of religions and the unethical implications of it I became a staunch atheist and found myself loathing this aspect of the artists I admired so much. Carlos Santana talking about "spirituality" in 2023 it's utter cringey and ridiculous, sounds of brain washing bullshit. I hate religion with a passion.
Your truth is very interesting. My journey with this music and some of the relatable ideology was different. I went from being a staunch atheist to believing in the infinite as a force that I was connected with.
@@t.lawrence1214 That's ok, my realization is that everything is within ourselves and some scoundrels, in the past, tried to convince people that their "spiritual strength" was outside them, from that went to the next step which is that the "guru" or church is the only way you can reach your "heaven" (in the case of church, after death). These people want your money and they will try to convince us that even what we feel, is not us, or ours, it belongs and stems from some "benevolent" god we can't not see or ear but it will punish you if you don't believe in it. It's like mafia extortion, give us your "soul", it would be a pity if something bad happened to you or your family. Sorry for the rant but I was born out of blind faith, my mother didn't want a third child but as a devout catholic, she could not terminate a pregnancy and to compensate for that she built a fake love scenario where you're rendered unable to evaluate anything, mostly feelings. So I am literally a son of a god but it was my "talent" for music that saved me.
I just think that spirituality, GOD, and the transcendental, etc, absolutely must be separated from religion. I’d probably agree with you on every point on the evils of religion, but spirituality needs no religion, the transcendent needs no religion, and God/Divinity certainly need no religion. Religion mainly corrupts above all else, though tbf, it does comfort many, just those many don’t know that they don’t need religion for the same comfort. I think it’s really important to separate these things, or be subject to serious misunderstanding and miscommunication… ✌️
@@nikolademitri731 The fact remains that there's no soul that survives our death and most certainly there's no heaven (no even symbolic) for us to go to. Alan Watts is the best source of a comprehensive understanding of both god and religion. If after listening to Watts you still hold to these beliefs nothing I say will make you change your mind. About comfort, I don't see how having an imaginary dad or friend can be a source of inner peace, I think there are too many lies you need to believe like these imaginary entities performed miracles or resurrected themselves or other people and that I'm not prepared to accept.
I mean, it is spiritual, it was meant as a spiritual act and spiritual art, so you really can’t not talk about that. Still, I do think there should be more than JUST that. It’s necessary, but insufficient.
I’ll never forget back in my early teens playing the entire Love Supreme album for a friend and when it was over my friend asked me what we just listened to. I told him that it was John Coltrane searching for something. My friend’s response was, “sounds like he found it.”
i just threw up
@@theresnoway440take a TRAMADOL… you’ll be ok in the morning
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Definitely One of The Most Important Pieces of Music.
The opening bars of Acknowledgement is what a Sunrise would sound like
The very first time I listened to A Love Supreme I felt the spiritual connection Coltrane was putting forth to God and feel it to this very day, simply a Coltrane classic❤️
It wasn't until I turned 60yrs old that I finally lived long enough to absorb this record.
In the context of spiritual and transcendental jazz music, we must not forget the Earth to John’s Sun Alice Coltrane who replaced Tyner on piano in 1966 and together the spiritual vibrations of their musical harmony elevated them both to yet another summit of their illustrious music careers. Their union was the embodiment of a Love Supreme. 💙
Greatest record ever made.
I agree 💯
Props to Spike Lee for including ALS in the movie Mo Better Blues. I have been a Coltrane fan ever since.
God sent Trane to bless us. Of the great geniuses of humanity.
At this time of John Coltrane's evolution John had begun to embrace free jazz. One of the greatest who ever lived.
He is the best to ever do it in terms of jazz musicians to me. I will forever appreciate and listen to the musical givings of John Coltrane and his legendary quartet.
Miles and Charlie Parker in my opinion were more relevant,,, but he is the all time cleanest… a genius
Being introduced to John Coltrane by McCoy Tyner, whom I had met through my practice in the 1980's, sent shivers through my spine the first time listening to Blue Train and Afro Blue. Those moments instantaneously transformed by musical tastes from the Allman Brothers (whom I still love to this day) Southern Rock and the Blues, to incorporate Jazz, which I had never prior considered of great interest and of which I had never felt compelled to understand or dissect. I was taken on a thought provoking journey, had my eyes opened, while they were physically closed by these very intense musical arrangements. Tears welled in my eyes, and my fists clenched the first time I listened to these marvelous masterpieces, such visceral responses they elicited. One of the disappointments of my life will invariably be not being able to have enjoyed seeing, feeling, and experiencing the intensity of John Coltrane and McCoy Tyner performing live at an intimate setting such as the Blue Note in NYC. Spiritual, Transformational is how I characterize the music of John Coltrane, at least to me. A Love Supreme is not only a masterpiece of music, it speaks to the soul of man straining to reach a higher spiritual ideal. It cannot fail to move the listener, unless that listener's mind and heart are closed and cold to the suffering of this world and others.
I discovered my love for jazz in 2016 when I heard Miles Davis kind of Blue and next was John Coltrane Love supreme. What a way to start! Another NeverEnding rabbit hole. So much to discover.
One of my main musical heros. Trane and Dolphy reach my musical soul.
Both so brilliant. So innovative.
A genius in music. I'm not religious, but very spiritual.
Just out of curiousity, how are you very spiritual but not religious?
That album gently stirs your soul .😊
A Love Supreme is the album that I listen to more often than any other album. Coltrane is my favorite musician and his Classic Quartet is my favorite band. Whenever I need to feel spirituality uplifted, I listen to the music of John Coltrane. I’m not religious but September 23 has been and is an annual holiday for me.
The fourth movement...oh my. I have to brace myself when that transition happens. The tears well up and hold until they can no longer, then, they free themselves. Ya Allah! It takes me on a journey through so many stages of my life. I'm transported somewhere that even I'm afraid of entering but can't help to be drawn to. I move through so much darkness: sadness, pain, fear only to ascend from the end into a light so bright. One of hope, healing, and peace. Listen man, this album...otherworldly. Got me through sometimes jack (as my elders use to say LOL)
Must Comment here. I have Listened to Alot of Music. As The Healing Force A Love Supreme and Live Versions Especially in Seattle brings out The Best in One's Appreciation for something Bigger than Worldy Things. It was a Gift to The Greator. There has been Nothing but Respect Around World. When You See " A Love Supreme"
Those notes elicit tenderness every time for me.
John Coltrane home movies..wow...Love Supreme one of the truly objectively GREAT albums of all time
May I suggest that "subjectively" is a more accurate word choice.
@c.a.t.732 probably true..I was making a point about a great album..driving the point with my choice of adjective
When I first heard the album , I could sense the spirituality that he was conveying. Deeply moving like much of his music.I am be Coltrane fan for life .
Dad wore out the vinly to newport 63.i grew up hearing that .esp..my fav things .n i was hooked..a great vid n era 2c
Awesome. Thank you!
When I got to college in the early '90s, I knew I didn't know anything about jazz and wanted to rectify that (especially since so many of my professors were jazz enthusiasts, and I wanted to connect with them is some way). At a bargain bin in the local shopping mall, I saw a cassette tape for 3.99 that said A Love Supreme, and I grabbed it. Very difficult and challenging. Its not a all what I was expecting, and I wasn't sure I liked it. At my next meeting with one of my history professors, I mentioned in passing that i brought John Coltrane's Love Supreme, but i wasn't sure if I like it. He looked at me and said- "That's a difficult, challenging record! But keep listening to it." Maybe it was his acknowledgement to me that its a difficult album, but inspired me to keep listening. This album eventually blew my mind.
Beautiful
Come on, people. John Coltrane did not play every instrument. If you must ascribe a god to what he did on that album, Elvin Jones, Jimmy Garrison, and McCoy Tyner comprised a pantheon of divine beings.
I actually like their playing better.
for real talk
Pantheon of Man. One god.
@@westartfromhere7704 Irony often is not noticed.
Facts..
I really need to see that whole documentary, looks great! A Love Supreme is probably my favorite jazz album of all time, and even if not it’s definitely something spiritual and special.
I found it a very valuable biography, filled with personal stories from those who knew him intimately. Crucially for me was the heartfelt memoir of Benny Golson. Who I had not realized was a childhood friend of Coltrane's.
I have the whole movie on my phone
The documentary is on TH-cam
This links to an upload of this documentary, "Chasing Trane," here on TH-cam.
th-cam.com/video/PXcRHRLykbQ/w-d-xo.htmlsi=dYuSqWQTgrNhYY7L
@@williampscott3539 the whole Chasing Train doc is? I swear I looked before and couldn’t find it, but I’ll search more. Thanks
Lived nearby and made trips to see the house in Dix Hills in the 70s and 80s to pay my respects. The Coltrane Home is now a non-profit and raising funds to completely restore the home and create a museum and education center which also will do music performances.
I love beautiful music like that.
Love it, thanks for sharing :)
I'm with Jimmy H. I love Resolution. The piano! (Lucky enough to see (hear) Jimmy H. in NYC about 10 times back in the 70s). PS: hearing Santana live was the same experience as hearing Coltrane for the first time. Wept with joy.
John Coltrane is my favorite music artist of all times. He is the closest thing to God for me. I went to alot of churches in my life time aa well as various places of worship, but none of those preachers, pastures and religious clergyman ever touched or inspired me like listening to John Coltrane's music. Listening to John Coltrane's classic quartet and a Love Supreme is like listening and having a conversation with God. Real talk...
WOW. A manifestation of all Glory to God.
John Coltrane recorded A Love Supreme in December of 1964 and released it the following year. He presented it as a spiritual declaration that his musical devotion was now intertwined with his faith in God. 3:03 [NPR]
Das ist eine tolle Dokumentation über John Coltrane. Sehenswert. Ich habe in meinem Leben viel an Musik konsumiert; unterschiedliche Genres. Aber ich habe noch nie in meinem Leben so ein Album wie ,,A Love supreme" gehört. Wahrscheinlich hat ihn die Fingerspitze des Allmächtigen berührt, bevor er das Album schrieb. Es ist ein einzigartiges Album. Dürfte ich nur ein Album besitzen, dann wäre es ,,A Love Supreme"
I’ve heard so many albums made for money and it’s trash. But a album made for god is a masterpiece
First time I played this album I put it on and laid down and stared at the ceiling
A real statement!
Alice carried that mission on indeed.
At the moment "digesting" My Favorite Things. This has to wait a little but it will be on the (turntable)plate 😊
legend
Is it McCoy Tyner on piano? He walks a tightrope on this record and never once falls off.
Yes, and the other players are Elvin Jones and Jimmy Garrison.
McCoy was an absolutely brilliant man on the keys, and really should be spoken of in the same sentence as Tatum, Monk, Brubeck, Herbie, Chick, Kieth Jarret, Bill Evans, etc… Yes, I think he’s that good. Also, his 60s and 70s solo works are really underrated imo, some of which are masterpieces. It’s unfortunate but understandable that people just think of him with Coltrane when they think of McCT.. Anyone who loves it, but doesn’t know of his albums as band leader, is missing out!
I saw McCoy play a show in Seattle in the early 2000's. On a different occasion there I saw Ray Brown. McCoy seemed a mirthful old man whose steps kept one foot always in some aetheric realm. Ray had blazing black pools of fire for eyes. Brown seemed deeply grounded and concentrated on stage. Tyner seemed to hover like a forest mist above it.
Pure God concious genius
His albums just before and right after are completely different..
❤
This couple for my are my black couple goals.. I LOVE THESE 2
i always have the same in mind. its just like the first sunrise on earth after a long time of darkness when the world was built over aeons. same thing on a specific zappa orchestral piece.
I'm with Jimmy Heath. Resolution is music from the soul.
Ive got the Santana/McGlaughlin Mahavishnu album with their rendetion of Love Supreme
Amazing track, the creator has a masterplan is also a great song of that live album.
@@donisaac5789 Ill have to check it out. Thanks bro ✌️
as remarkable as this very personal work is, I've always felt that "Ascension" was a more religious endeavor -- and accomplishment -- for its creator and players and a more profound experience for the listener
I heard the riff from LL Cool J's going back to Cali.
Yes Jimmy Heath, that’s the same for me .
Be saddened all you want. Every person does not share your thoughts or opinions. Coltrane’s beliefs did not correspond to yours. Live with it.
who are you talking to?
This is from Chasing Trane. 🤷🏾♂️🤷🏾♂️
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Thank the stars⭐for him and Alice😅😊❤😂🎉
Alice herself was a titanic figure in the music, and so underappreciated by many people. I can listen to her music all day long. Thanks for lifting her up
@georgespies8811 you are welcome 🤗. What a woman, what a beautiful spirit 😍💝🌹
❤ “A master PHRAS-IOLOGIST, I say,..”my attorney whitedad,👈🏽 woulda seh. It is 🇲🇱jah all-time sound track to what you need to hear.🙉
As if a war criminal president could understand the beauty of god and Coltrane. Gtfoh bill
Yeah, Slick Willy being in there is definitely cringe… I can get why the documentary people may have wanted him in there, but it makes me wince a bit.. It’s like a dirty little fly in the champagne punch bowl…
Great music isn’t denied to anyone. It is universal, all inclusive. Don’t let your political bias blind you to it’s broad appeal. Clinton was known to be a fan of jazz, so having a past president give his testament to his appreciation for Coltrane isn’t far fetched.
@@cycleoflife565 no, it isn’t far fetched, and yes, jazz/all art, and/or any and all inspiration per art, are open to anyone… I don’t think that contradicts the point I’m making at all, though perhaps the OP would disagree. Slick Willy can understand the beauty of god and Coltrane in his own way, and still do all the things he did during his political career, and now as an extremely wealthy/powerful person..
My main point was that because he did do these certain things (that imo definitely fly in the face of “spiritual enlightenment”, or the kind of vision put forward by Coltrane), he sticks out like a sore thumb, and it’s cringey to have him as part of this specific conversation.. Nobody is perfect. We all fail and fall hard, and we all hurt others, but we don’t all make a career and life out of doing objective damage that would be liable for prosecution at The Hague, if those laws/morals and that institution actually meant anything at all..
That’s not my political bias speaking, that’s my recognition of important and relevant distinctions between one person here (Bill), and everyone else. What is my bias speaking is that those differences matter and are relevant, which I’m sure many (perhaps you) would disagree with. But, sure, I’ll give you that Bill’s presence here isn’t necessarily farfetched, and that he certainly can feel the spirit in the music, in spite of the other factors.. ✌️
@@cycleoflife565exactly…it so sad some people can’t get out of politics for one second 🤦🏾🤦🏾🤦🏾
@@nikolademitri731stop being so emotional and delicate and grow tf up
I like Lester Young and Sonny Rollins, and I've recently, at the age of 63, been getting into Ornette Coleman. But I've never been able to see what the big deal was about John Coltrane OR Charlie Parker. 😮
It’s the geometry of the sound. Perhaps listen from a different perspective. Swirl. Toroid ….🌌
Go Back and Listen to Earlier Things Like Invitation While My Lady Sleeps Russian Lullaby and Work your way through Miles Years both Tenures Monk Music Then Check Miles Coltrane European Tour and Then Your Ready. Follow Leadership from there
@@ericscott203 I like Coltrane's work with Miles Davis. But as a solo artist, while, like Parker, technically brilliant; on Giant Steps, Blue Train and A Love Supreme I find his playing strangely mechanical, subdued and unemotional. 😲 Unlike the playing of Young, Rollins or Coleman.
Did You Listen to Africa from Africa Brass? Out of This World from Coltrane?
Wow!!! We owe the Creator everything. But Im sure He was surprised and happy with this.
Carlos Santana talking usually winds me up
There is this guy named Todd Boyd…he’s has a doctors in something…but almost any documentary that has to deal with the 90’s…he’s in it…even though he has zero contain to whatever is being discussed in the documentary…and he’s so fucking annoying..plus he’s a hater…
I can’t stand when they have people who has no connection to the subject of a documentary, give their opinion on the subject…and generally in pretentious dribble
But you give Bill Clinton a pass?!
Well Santana, your "vortex" experience might have been some very good pot.
Got so suprised when bill clinton popped up wdf
What they interview Bill for 😂
Trump was out making fake news and Biden couldn't remember that the documentary was being done. Bush II was busy looking for Iraqi baddies who badmouthed his dad. Jimmy Carter was out building houses for Habitat for Humanity.
A Love Supreme is church.
I just can't listen to 1 tune. It's a piece of work that demands to be played all the way through
-1950s & early 60s slang can describe his music in this album: Cool, hip, slick, bop, tough, smooth, urban, urbane, outta sight, etheral, deep, blue. He was definitely inspired by something higher & inspiring to many of us mere mortals
Holy jeez I just realized b.c. Is Kaiser soze,… in his own way..
I struggled to relate to ing in
Are you shitting me!!!
Bill Clinton hell no
This man put brothers whole sale in prison
What an insult 💯😡💯
Whether you feel there be a need for a "god" is your own business. For me there is actually little difference between a christian and an atheist, as both are personal choices of ways to think about the mystery of life. You have no right to declare that there is no need for a god as a general claim, but for only your own personal opinion. Nor is their any right to claim that you must believe not only in a God, but one of a particular religion or denomination. This is fine as an opinion, but to force that as a conclusion that without which you will be executed as a witch or be otherwise relegated to a lower strand of human existence,... well that's obviously ridiculous! ( just as ridiculous as insulting an artist for honestly expressing his own summary of cosmology as a theme to his work. Coltrane and co do not preach or rebuke or reserve their music as a slur against atheists, but I myself am of the opinion that those who pontificate on how in general any artist explains his muse not to be conducive with a particular political or rational affiliation of the listener's comfort zone not lacking in spiritual maturity so much as mean spirited and unimaginative, which to me is a greater fault than evangelical zeal or dogmatic atheism. Do you think you know everything about all those artists' inner sense and motivation, or do you just approach all art as a mathematical equation to be analysed and added to the community of opinion when it suits the mechanisms of your own team of group identity? Just use your ears and your heart and you will start to hear music.
Santana is so weird 😊
Clinton😂
Have some taste: Next time around, Get Bill Clinton out of the Coltrane Documentary
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My favorite jazz work is A Love Supreme. However, I am saddened by the fact that the artists attribute this masterpiece to religious praise for "God". Although I understand religious convictions are involved, there is no need for a god. The jazz and blues tradition and the humanity of Black people helped give birth to A Love Supreme.
i myself am not religious, but i think its presumptive that god was not a necessary piece of why this record came to be at all. god extends beyond any religion, and reverence for god, whether you personally believe god to exist or not, is powerful. it is clear that john’s connection to the divine was integral to what he was capable of and who he became.
John Coltrane was a genius , like many of his contemporaries in the Jazz and rock scenes took a lot of acid. When he talked of God it wasn't some delusional abstract religious belief it was lived experience. However that said I understand the atheist perspective because it's closer to the truth than the religious perspective. I would have been an Atheist had I never taken acid.
@@ericgendell8874what does taking acid have to do with god?
I don’t get why his religious interpretation should sadden you. If he has a personal relationship with God and chooses to honour Him with his music because he believes in God he is allowed to. Just as you are also allowed to attribute your motivation to why you do things to something else. Black folks have had strong belief in God since time, and is evident in a lot of what we do. Listen to all the great black musicans and you’ll find there is a history of church, worship, prayer directly and indirectly. Let’s be appreciative of getting to enjoy this masterpiece and respect his vision and inspiration for it.
@@EricGronneberg they needn’t be and are not one in the same, but if you don’t know what they have to do with each other then maybe you’ve: never taken it, and/or never had a seriously transcendental trip, and/or never had a seriously psychedelic transcendental experience in the context of meditating on God/the Divine. That’s cool, no judgement here, but the psychedelic experience has not only just been thought of as spiritual or sacred in western traditions or by hippies… many “primitive” cultures use psychedelics in their spiritual rituals, as a way to commune with the Divine, etc..
There’s actually a lot of really interesting scholarship on this subject, if you’re really interested in getting an exhaustive answer to your original question, and to related questions (like substitute acid for psychedelic mushrooms, or God for spirit and/or the transcendent). ✌️
I grew up devouring Coltrane being myself a saxophone player and for many years even believed that through learning about taoism there could be a form of god I could relate too although as I understand now taoism is the denial of formalizing god and I stopped believing in any form of supernatural stuff and learning the history of religions and the unethical implications of it I became a staunch atheist and found myself loathing this aspect of the artists I admired so much. Carlos Santana talking about "spirituality" in 2023 it's utter cringey and ridiculous, sounds of brain washing bullshit. I hate religion with a passion.
Your truth is very interesting. My journey with this music and some of the relatable ideology was different. I went from being a staunch atheist to believing in the infinite as a force that I was connected with.
@@t.lawrence1214 That's ok, my realization is that everything is within ourselves and some scoundrels, in the past, tried to convince people that their "spiritual strength" was outside them, from that went to the next step which is that the "guru" or church is the only way you can reach your "heaven" (in the case of church, after death). These people want your money and they will try to convince us that even what we feel, is not us, or ours, it belongs and stems from some "benevolent" god we can't not see or ear but it will punish you if you don't believe in it. It's like mafia extortion, give us your "soul", it would be a pity if something bad happened to you or your family. Sorry for the rant but I was born out of blind faith, my mother didn't want a third child but as a devout catholic, she could not terminate a pregnancy and to compensate for that she built a fake love scenario where you're rendered unable to evaluate anything, mostly feelings. So I am literally a son of a god but it was my "talent" for music that saved me.
I just think that spirituality, GOD, and the transcendental, etc, absolutely must be separated from religion. I’d probably agree with you on every point on the evils of religion, but spirituality needs no religion, the transcendent needs no religion, and God/Divinity certainly need no religion. Religion mainly corrupts above all else, though tbf, it does comfort many, just those many don’t know that they don’t need religion for the same comfort. I think it’s really important to separate these things, or be subject to serious misunderstanding and miscommunication… ✌️
@@nikolademitri731 The fact remains that there's no soul that survives our death and most certainly there's no heaven (no even symbolic) for us to go to. Alan Watts is the best source of a comprehensive understanding of both god and religion. If after listening to Watts you still hold to these beliefs nothing I say will make you change your mind. About comfort, I don't see how having an imaginary dad or friend can be a source of inner peace, I think there are too many lies you need to believe like these imaginary entities performed miracles or resurrected themselves or other people and that I'm not prepared to accept.
Too much superstition, hyperbole and not a single mention of how it was actually made. What a waste.
yes. too much pathos and mythical thinking.
I mean, it is spiritual, it was meant as a spiritual act and spiritual art, so you really can’t not talk about that. Still, I do think there should be more than JUST that. It’s necessary, but insufficient.
It was probably made for casual jazz fans…people who listen to smooth jazz and buys the jazz compilation CD at the Starbucks counter…
How not to pick up a dog. 😒
Never liked Coltrane
Yes Jimmy Heath, that’s the same for me .
How not to pick up a dog. 😒