every wild game doesn't though only the hyperfraggro and well those are lame anyway Revert the board clear - let it clear everything. Keep it at 10 or revert it to 9 DO NOT move it back to 8 - even for wild. Priest/Mage etc. do not need more OTK toys. They have too many as is.
@@PhukYu2reno mage was not playable for a long time, besides the reno quest iteration. And calling reno priest an otk deck is a very far reach. They can do it, but it's very unlikely expecially before they have 10 mana.
i think highlander cards reading be "if your deck has no duplicates" in wild and "if your deck started with no duplicates" in standard seems much cleaner than having an awkward mishmash, so i think they'll probably be changed back for consistency. As for reno, even with a full revert I would assume only mage and druid would make great use of it. Hostage mage has plenty of ways to shut you down as is but revert reno could be really spooky in druid
Playing a Shudderwock deck in Wild, I always played combos to clear the board in a creative way: "Gain poisonous, deal 1 damage to all enemy minions". But then Reno came in, which was amazing. It got wrecked by plagues so always ran Skulking geist, until it got buffed to always be active. But when the board change happened. Completely useless. Please revert it to actually be counterable by plagues and be 8 mana, shoulda played around it.
I'll be honest, theres literally no other way to clear dormant minions, permanent board additions and even locations without Reno. With locations theres one, sure, but the lack of an ability to deal with these uninteractible elements otherwise makes it weird as to why Reno wouldn't be fully reverted anyway. Most of the time you die absurdly fast in wild due to braindead aggro, some stupid combo that is impossible to counterplay again, or a slow game that your deck wasn't going to be able to beat anyway. Reverting the text would be fine, but keeping it at 8 mana would be a horrible idea.
@@Pit1993x yes and even with tradeable *it's a dead card any other time* this is why we don't like highly polarizing decks that force otherwise useless techs. Ditto for starshit (vulpera something or another)
In wild, for a time it was reasonable to throw in the weapon stealing minion in ETC against Kingsbaine rogue, just because of how it was the only way to beat the deck for a while. But even then, it didnt always work.
Reno should remain in the game we need MORE answer cards not less I want to actually have some meaningful interactive gaming I don't want to just sit there and wait to see who races to their wincon first.Give me a whole pile of 3 mana cards that answer all the various non targeted non answers plays that ruin the game. Forever I longed for old MTG cards like a Pithing Needle and several others that allow you to remove a certain aspect/mechanic from your opponent. This would actually make ETC a useful card and force players to play more board centric decks and not all these otk non targetable BS I am seeing. Steam cleaner should be in the game forever AOE silence for 3 in game forever. I want to play a card that says choose a mechanic your opponent cannot use or perhaps counters the next 3 battle cries or counters the next 2 weapons played or counters the next 2 heal cards etc etc give me something so my opponent can't just play whatever the heck wants with no risk at all. IDK maybe the entire problem with the game is copyright Blizzard can't make a real game without a lawsuit from Hasbro/WOTC so we are stuck with this half assed garbage called HS.
I don't care if it's reverted to 8 or 9 or 10, but Reno has to clear locations and dormant stuff. And this effect should be extended to the Mage Reno no one uses.
Boomboss's "nerf" feels like a buff a lot of the time tbh. It can proc instantly without needing a card to combo with and the TNT removes cards from the deck to make drawing more TNT more likely. I actually think they should've reverted that "nerf" a while ago because of how toxic it has been in slower matchups where you end up drawing a lot of your deck, where the card was best at already.
i don't understand how yall say "unfun" when there is no other way to clean the board against those dormant type of minion worst the warlock ones that deal damage and summon demons
I agree with most of these, but I think the notion that ”it’s too slow for wild” is a flawed one. This is how wild has become such a dumpster fire. Constantly trying to make cards faster because they are ”too slow” is how you get a faster and less interactive game. Wild really needs a mega overhaul. Just kill cards like demon seed, ice block, solid alibi etc.
Disagree. First of all, there are too many strong cards for the “kill these cards” idea to even make sense. So you’ll continue to kill cards in every single deck until you reach a certain metagame? There are an infinite amount of strongish aggro decks and fastish otk decks that you have never heard of in wild. For example: sure, delete voidtouched attendant, ilgynoth, dh questline, ice block, (solid alibi isn’t even that strong without support), holy wrath, etc. now the overheal priest otk is fast enough to see play again. Even shaman comes back in full force. Starship priest and boar priest might just lock out other decks, since they are already viable. Pirate rogue and miracle rogue become problems again. Linecracker druid. Questline mage. Odyn warrior. Alex rogue. And there are many decks that aren’t extremely popular that would become much stronger and are just as uninteractive. I currently play a rivendare hunter list that can otk on turn 7. Sure, that’s slow by wild standards, but it’s decently consistent because of naielle, and it’s got decent removal with urchin spines. So if you remove enougu aggro, this would be dominant. Can’t even rat or mutanus or theotar it effectively since you use maxima blastenheimer and flarks. So essentially, the “mega overhaul” would be extremely difficult to implement and it’s impossible to slow down wild by that much.
@@kennethxu1789 Agree. They should tone down or rework the op cards, not kill them. Some old cards need love too. Its such a childish reaction to just "kill the card. I hate it when I lose to it. This should be nerfed to oblivion or this should be deleted."
@@kennethxu1789 I am talking about specific cards that feel terrible to play against. Not targeting any deck. Objection is a good example, it's not broken by any means, but it feels bad to encounter. I am not saying we need to play whack-a-mole with wild decks.
They need an earlier rotation this meta asap the growing staleness of the game is incomprehensible maybe even a tavern brawl previewing new rotation would be nice
say what you want about Reno but there not being a single card that can interact with Starships once they are being built is really poor design. There is absolutely no way to play against some of the OTK starship decks (mainly hunter) now that Reno cant wipe them. The only thing you can do is kill them first but as someone who enjoys control decks that's not always fun.
@ThisFrustrates unless they changed it you can't use it on a starship that's waiting to be launched. I though the same but when the expansion released it didn't work on it.
@@ThisFrustrates that's how I expected it to work but was very disappointed. No way at all to stop a starship from launching, no Reno, twisting nether doesn't work, black hole should (thematically) and no star vulpera
@@ДюсековИльяс Brother please explain me closer if you can, does it means that I will lose some of them like last time cards got reverted for example Patchwerk. Is there a list of cards that will be reverted so I can disenchant them on time before this happened?
You are very confused. The cards from Festival of Legends, TITANS, and Showdown In The Badlands will rotate out of standard and become only useable in the Wild format. When this happens they might get buffed/have nerfs reverted. You will still own the cards either way, there is no need to do anything in preparation. Patchwerk was a core set card and you never owned him, he was just free to use for that year. @@urospremceski8012
@@urospremceski8012 the list of cards that are going to be removed from standard and put to wild is all cards from the expansions from 2023, Festival of legends, Titans and forged in the barrens. Some may get reverted, aka buffed to their previous version, because they would be too weak in the wild format where all cards from the last ten years are available, but were to strong in the standard format, where there are only the expansions of the last two years. The only time you can disenchant them freely with no regrets is when they rotate, aka are removed from the standard format and put in the wild only format. They will rotate when the new expansion of the new year (2025) will drop
@@ДюсековИльяс So bro I hope that you catch my point I don't want to lose these cards which I have already. Because I play in wild, last year I lost so many cards in rotation and I play whole year to craft them again. So when rotation gonna happened I will be able to go inside of my collection and disenchant them? And craft them again with out losing instead? (you are saving my life I donate so much this year and now I don't want to lose anything ) thanks in advance once more :)
I think every nerfed card thats leaving should be reverted to its original state except the ones that got overbuffed(which should go back to their strongest state), Pendant of Earth and Yogg who should comeback as a weaker version of his release (like 20 mana maybe)
because highlander warrior during showdown was oppressive. they could draw through their whole deck easily, shuffle in TNT, then blow up the opponent's deck + hand
Bro's a little too salty about Reno. Highlander is supposed to have an incredible payoff. A guaranteed board clear isn't enough to catch up with a Highlander deck in Wild. They need a guaranteed tempo swing if they're still alive by then. Why would Wild even touch this nerfed shit?
Highlander is inherently more powerful in wild due to way higher payoff density so not full reverting Reno is a good call. The format does not need more auto includes that do uninteractible stuff from hand or build boards, so I don't think Odyn or especially the stupidly unnecessarily buffed Trial by Fire should be reverted. Reverting Trial by Fire feels like reverting Stormwind Edwin to 3 type logic, it was overbuffed in the first place. The Whelp could be a way safer revert than those because it competes with tons of 2 mana ramp, maybe as a 1/1 though. You're way too scared of manacheat when you yourself complain about the game mode happening from hand, which isn't inherent to manacheat but other card's designs.
Personally I think Reno should be reverted after leaving standard. He costs 10 mana. If you survive all the cheaty bs to 10 mana in wild, you deserve a swing turn.
Everyone complaining about Reno, Zarimi, Grunter, Sonya, Breakdance, and rarely are people mentioning the real issue, CARD ANIMATIONS, why does revealing 1/27 meteors cause bullet time slow down so you can read exactly how much damage is about to hit your face in 15 seconds (x26) then its my turn and I play my 2 mana 2/2 and have another 6 minute animation turn. Remove Incindius and merge all asteroids into a single animation that says "instantly kill the hero"
reno should be able to delete non minions but not lock out the board it was nice to have a card that can interact with things that couldn't usually be interacted with
let him lock things out for a turn to punish board decks since you won't revert snowfall guardian or at least let him remove all the locations, dormants etc too. well you said that already and I guess I could tolerate that since that means it couldn't affect ME either
@@caseystafford6750 board flooder/fraggro player detected Seriously velen combo players you don't deserve infinite taunts and I don't want 1 4 mana taunt minion nerfed *again* or being the dominant meta other than libramdin ....
Yeah reno needs a revert it would be a dead card otherwise and seeing as how pretty much any deck that is actually meta beats you before 6 anyways in wild...
For me it can go back to eight, but let the portals be fun and actually eternal! There's no reason to punish starships, locations and other cool effects.
YOU WANT TO GIMP US CONTROL LOVERS BUT BUFF FUCKIN ODYN WARRIOR IN WILD? REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE YOU'RE MAKING ME SALTY NOW :( *sigh* of course everyone gets what they want and my decks/ideas all get permanerfed again while things I loathe like Odyn warrior will get re-buffed.
It’s nice of you to mention Flare’s video, I was about to comment that the source was missing
I don't even mind Reno being reverted seeing how every wild game ends by turn 5-6 anyways.
True, I don't understand what is the problem with fully unnerfed Reno in Wild.
every wild game doesn't though only the hyperfraggro
and well those are lame anyway
Revert the board clear - let it clear everything.
Keep it at 10 or revert it to 9
DO NOT move it back to 8 - even for wild. Priest/Mage etc. do not need more OTK toys. They have too many as is.
No interaction only play around it, sucks
@@PhukYu2reno mage was not playable for a long time, besides the reno quest iteration. And calling reno priest an otk deck is a very far reach. They can do it, but it's very unlikely expecially before they have 10 mana.
Didn’t the majority of wild deck just become Renathal/Reno decks when Lone Ranger first came out?
Two cards that should be reverted a year ago: Daddy Denathrius and The Jailer. Give wild back some fun
i think highlander cards reading be "if your deck has no duplicates" in wild and "if your deck started with no duplicates" in standard seems much cleaner than having an awkward mishmash, so i think they'll probably be changed back for consistency. As for reno, even with a full revert I would assume only mage and druid would make great use of it. Hostage mage has plenty of ways to shut you down as is but revert reno could be really spooky in druid
Druid terrifies me - please don't give it too many tools.
Playing a Shudderwock deck in Wild, I always played combos to clear the board in a creative way: "Gain poisonous, deal 1 damage to all enemy minions". But then Reno came in, which was amazing. It got wrecked by plagues so always ran Skulking geist, until it got buffed to always be active. But when the board change happened. Completely useless. Please revert it to actually be counterable by plagues and be 8 mana, shoulda played around it.
Reno should get full revert its the only card that can interact with all the unfun things your opponent can play
i want Reno to clear Sargeras there should be some kind of counter to it
This. That shit is obnoxious.
highIander pIayers can sukk it. theres always the option of running ETC band manager with location removal so there ya go
@@mikeike2177 its not location so wont help
The counter is winning the game instead of asking for a counter to everything.
@@Kamikazeray four turn aggro/uninteractable and unavoidable otks keep mid range or control from EVER winning. You already know that. Shh now.
I'll be honest, theres literally no other way to clear dormant minions, permanent board additions and even locations without Reno. With locations theres one, sure, but the lack of an ability to deal with these uninteractible elements otherwise makes it weird as to why Reno wouldn't be fully reverted anyway. Most of the time you die absurdly fast in wild due to braindead aggro, some stupid combo that is impossible to counterplay again, or a slow game that your deck wasn't going to be able to beat anyway. Reverting the text would be fine, but keeping it at 8 mana would be a horrible idea.
Also let's not Forget the one thing about HighLander , It's Highlander. 1 of Everything
Yeah you shouldn't have to run 3-4 separate minions or even 2 - unlike BGH they got no boost either. Well one is tradeable now I guess...
There is a regular minion that destroys locations.
@@Pit1993x yes and even with tradeable *it's a dead card any other time* this is why we don't like highly polarizing decks that force otherwise useless techs. Ditto for starshit (vulpera something or another)
In wild, for a time it was reasonable to throw in the weapon stealing minion in ETC against Kingsbaine rogue, just because of how it was the only way to beat the deck for a while. But even then, it didnt always work.
Reno should remain in the game we need MORE answer cards not less I want to actually have some meaningful interactive gaming I don't want to just sit there and wait to see who races to their wincon first.Give me a whole pile of 3 mana cards that answer all the various non targeted non answers plays that ruin the game.
Forever I longed for old MTG cards like a Pithing Needle and several others that allow you to remove a certain aspect/mechanic from your opponent.
This would actually make ETC a useful card and force players to play more board centric decks and not all these otk non targetable BS I am seeing.
Steam cleaner should be in the game forever AOE silence for 3 in game forever.
I want to play a card that says choose a mechanic your opponent cannot use or perhaps counters the next 3 battle cries or counters the next 2 weapons played or counters the next 2 heal cards etc etc give me something so my opponent can't just play whatever the heck wants with no risk at all.
IDK maybe the entire problem with the game is copyright Blizzard can't make a real game without a lawsuit from Hasbro/WOTC so we are stuck with this half assed garbage called HS.
I don't care if it's reverted to 8 or 9 or 10, but Reno has to clear locations and dormant stuff.
And this effect should be extended to the Mage Reno no one uses.
Guys , when are they rotating to wild ????
Merry Christmas Zeddy ❤ happy holidays, happy new year 🎉
Boomboss's "nerf" feels like a buff a lot of the time tbh. It can proc instantly without needing a card to combo with and the TNT removes cards from the deck to make drawing more TNT more likely. I actually think they should've reverted that "nerf" a while ago because of how toxic it has been in slower matchups where you end up drawing a lot of your deck, where the card was best at already.
i don't understand how yall say "unfun" when there is no other way to clean the board against those dormant type of minion worst the warlock ones that deal damage and summon demons
Trial by Fire seems OK, kinda good. It’s when you draw 2 Trial by Fire that it has potential to be pretty broken.
I agree with most of these, but I think the notion that ”it’s too slow for wild” is a flawed one. This is how wild has become such a dumpster fire. Constantly trying to make cards faster because they are ”too slow” is how you get a faster and less interactive game. Wild really needs a mega overhaul. Just kill cards like demon seed, ice block, solid alibi etc.
Disagree. First of all, there are too many strong cards for the “kill these cards” idea to even make sense. So you’ll continue to kill cards in every single deck until you reach a certain metagame? There are an infinite amount of strongish aggro decks and fastish otk decks that you have never heard of in wild.
For example: sure, delete voidtouched attendant, ilgynoth, dh questline, ice block, (solid alibi isn’t even that strong without support), holy wrath, etc. now the overheal priest otk is fast enough to see play again. Even shaman comes back in full force. Starship priest and boar priest might just lock out other decks, since they are already viable. Pirate rogue and miracle rogue become problems again. Linecracker druid. Questline mage. Odyn warrior. Alex rogue.
And there are many decks that aren’t extremely popular that would become much stronger and are just as uninteractive. I currently play a rivendare hunter list that can otk on turn 7. Sure, that’s slow by wild standards, but it’s decently consistent because of naielle, and it’s got decent removal with urchin spines. So if you remove enougu aggro, this would be dominant. Can’t even rat or mutanus or theotar it effectively since you use maxima blastenheimer and flarks.
So essentially, the “mega overhaul” would be extremely difficult to implement and it’s impossible to slow down wild by that much.
@@kennethxu1789 Agree. They should tone down or rework the op cards, not kill them. Some old cards need love too. Its such a childish reaction to just "kill the card. I hate it when I lose to it. This should be nerfed to oblivion or this should be deleted."
@@kennethxu1789 I am talking about specific cards that feel terrible to play against. Not targeting any deck. Objection is a good example, it's not broken by any means, but it feels bad to encounter. I am not saying we need to play whack-a-mole with wild decks.
I like the pacing in this video, good job zeddy!
They need an earlier rotation this meta asap the growing staleness of the game is incomprehensible maybe even a tavern brawl previewing new rotation would be nice
say what you want about Reno but there not being a single card that can interact with Starships once they are being built is really poor design. There is absolutely no way to play against some of the OTK starship decks (mainly hunter) now that Reno cant wipe them. The only thing you can do is kill them first but as someone who enjoys control decks that's not always fun.
Star vulpera
@ThisFrustrates unless they changed it you can't use it on a starship that's waiting to be launched. I though the same but when the expansion released it didn't work on it.
@ oh, boo. My bad - a good buff opportunity
@@ThisFrustrates that's how I expected it to work but was very disappointed. No way at all to stop a starship from launching, no Reno, twisting nether doesn't work, black hole should (thematically) and no star vulpera
For Funnel cake I hope yhey make it 1 mana but only make it for your own minions which is what a lot of people say how it should have been nerfed.
Yea I really agree with your list
Zeddy is it there any information when this will happen, or does there will be some information before it goes on. Please somebody answer. Thanks
Start of next year, all cards from 2023 will be moved to wild, and they may all be reverted
@@ДюсековИльяс Brother please explain me closer if you can, does it means that I will lose some of them like last time cards got reverted for example Patchwerk. Is there a list of cards that will be reverted so I can disenchant them on time before this happened?
You are very confused. The cards from Festival of Legends, TITANS, and Showdown In The Badlands will rotate out of standard and become only useable in the Wild format. When this happens they might get buffed/have nerfs reverted. You will still own the cards either way, there is no need to do anything in preparation. Patchwerk was a core set card and you never owned him, he was just free to use for that year. @@urospremceski8012
@@urospremceski8012 the list of cards that are going to be removed from standard and put to wild is all cards from the expansions from 2023, Festival of legends, Titans and forged in the barrens. Some may get reverted, aka buffed to their previous version, because they would be too weak in the wild format where all cards from the last ten years are available, but were to strong in the standard format, where there are only the expansions of the last two years. The only time you can disenchant them freely with no regrets is when they rotate, aka are removed from the standard format and put in the wild only format. They will rotate when the new expansion of the new year (2025) will drop
@@ДюсековИльяс So bro I hope that you catch my point I don't want to lose these cards which I have already. Because I play in wild, last year I lost so many cards in rotation and I play whole year to craft them again. So when rotation gonna happened I will be able to go inside of my collection and disenchant them? And craft them again with out losing instead? (you are saving my life I donate so much this year and now I don't want to lose anything ) thanks in advance once more :)
I think every nerfed card thats leaving should be reverted to its original state except the ones that got overbuffed(which should go back to their strongest state), Pendant of Earth and Yogg who should comeback as a weaker version of his release (like 20 mana maybe)
I think Yogg should keep the text that makes him fire off random spells. Cause that is Yogg’s thing
Boomboss - why was it changed in the first place?
because highlander warrior during showdown was oppressive. they could draw through their whole deck easily, shuffle in TNT, then blow up the opponent's deck + hand
Start of game bs with Reno needs to go off the card
Reno should be reverted and 10 mana or 8 mana with current effect. Reno decks in wild are great and Reno decks in the meta are great fun.
Love the Flare mention
Reno at 9 with original board clear 👌
Bro's a little too salty about Reno. Highlander is supposed to have an incredible payoff. A guaranteed board clear isn't enough to catch up with a Highlander deck in Wild. They need a guaranteed tempo swing if they're still alive by then. Why would Wild even touch this nerfed shit?
Highlander is inherently more powerful in wild due to way higher payoff density so not full reverting Reno is a good call. The format does not need more auto includes that do uninteractible stuff from hand or build boards, so I don't think Odyn or especially the stupidly unnecessarily buffed Trial by Fire should be reverted. Reverting Trial by Fire feels like reverting Stormwind Edwin to 3 type logic, it was overbuffed in the first place. The Whelp could be a way safer revert than those because it competes with tons of 2 mana ramp, maybe as a 1/1 though. You're way too scared of manacheat when you yourself complain about the game mode happening from hand, which isn't inherent to manacheat but other card's designs.
Reno costing 9 removing only minions is ok.
wow a 20 minutes Zeddy
reno lone ranger is my first pick
Personally I think Reno should be reverted after leaving standard. He costs 10 mana. If you survive all the cheaty bs to 10 mana in wild, you deserve a swing turn.
Fully revert reno I say
Everyone complaining about Reno, Zarimi, Grunter, Sonya, Breakdance, and rarely are people mentioning the real issue, CARD ANIMATIONS, why does revealing 1/27 meteors cause bullet time slow down so you can read exactly how much damage is about to hit your face in 15 seconds (x26) then its my turn and I play my 2 mana 2/2 and have another 6 minute animation turn. Remove Incindius and merge all asteroids into a single animation that says "instantly kill the hero"
Those people just out themselves as less skilled or Slow af
cause animations are a part of the game and has always been a strategic element in itself
Who cares about wild? Hs devs certainly don’t. Easiest solution is either revert all or none.
reno should be able to delete non minions but not lock out the board
it was nice to have a card that can interact with things that couldn't usually be interacted with
let him lock things out for a turn to punish board decks since you won't revert snowfall guardian
or at least let him remove all the locations, dormants etc too. well you said that already and I guess I could tolerate that since that means it couldn't affect ME either
Bro its wild just give me 8 mana fully revert Reno
Even *I* wouldn't vote for that.
I would agree to 8, possibly even wiping locations, but NEVER having it limit the board again
@@caseystafford6750 board flooder/fraggro player detected
Seriously velen combo players you don't deserve infinite taunts and I don't want 1 4 mana taunt minion nerfed *again* or being the dominant meta other than libramdin ....
Yeah reno needs a revert it would be a dead card otherwise and seeing as how pretty much any deck that is actually meta beats you before 6 anyways in wild...
reno should have never been nerfed imo slow as fuck
Revert bran, it’s Wild.
naw highIander pIayers can sukk it
Odyn shouldn’t go back to 8 now that Warrior has access to ramp
the odd warriors would disown you
No bring back even warrior with 8 mana Odyn and 4 mana Sanitize !
Let me win. Birthday in 3 days ,when is rotation?
if they revert pendent it will be like 1 day before they nerf it back lol
Hero Reno the dumbest card I ever seen added to this game. Came back to get into the game again, saw him 3 games in a row and just deleted the app
Odin on 8. Just fells right
Just nerf libram paladin please
Revert Sire !!!!
early miniset LETSGOOOOOOOOO!
more reno 🎉
Reeno at 8 was never THAT strong in wild. Leave it at 10 and gjve it back the board clear aspect he had.
They should not touch it. Just rotate and smile
For me it can go back to eight, but let the portals be fun and actually eternal! There's no reason to punish starships, locations and other cool effects.
Games end at turn 5-6 anyways, not even a big deal to fully revert Brann and Reno. I'm sick of all the ultra-aggro pirate and libram decks.
@@CountFab problem is in wild starships and stuff are just abused.
YOU WANT TO GIMP US CONTROL LOVERS BUT BUFF FUCKIN ODYN WARRIOR IN WILD?
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
YOU'RE MAKING ME SALTY NOW :(
*sigh* of course everyone gets what they want and my decks/ideas all get permanerfed again while things I loathe like Odyn warrior will get re-buffed.
No Hollow Hound??
more cry about reno 😂
I can’t sub again
reno is a joke curently even without singelton condition he is dogshit
Delete bomboss from the game NOW
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Zeddy no joke is the biggest baby ever it’s not even funny
Some of your takes actually brain dead ur always so biased like ur the word biased