KSS III Submarine at MADEX 2023: Hanwha Ocean, HHI, Canadian Submarine and Li-Ion Battery
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 11 มิ.ย. 2023
- Day 2 at MADEX 2023, the international maritime defense exhibition. In this video we focus on the topic of submarines, specifically the KSS III Batch 2 large conventional submarine of the ROK Navy. We also discuss with Hanwha Ocean, HHI and Babcock a key topic at MADEX this year: the Canadian Patrol Submarine Project (CPSP). Last but not least we take a look at the Li-ion battery system of the KSS submarine with Hanwha Aerospace.
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00:54 - Hanwha Ocean's role in the KSS III Batch 2 submarine
01:50 - Export of Hanwha Ocean's submarines to Canada, Indonesia and the Philippines
03:09 - HHI's expertise in Submarine construction
03:59 - Export of HHI submarine to Canada
04:34 - Babcock signing MoU with Korean industry for Canadian Patrol Submarine Project (CPSP)
06:47 - Hanwha Aerospace's Li-Ion battery technology for KSS-III Batch 2
08:21 - Export of battery technology to Canada and the Netherlands
09:11- Li-Ion batteries for commercial ships
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Love watching our close korean friends building such great defense companies. 🇺🇸🤝🇰🇷
Thank you Xavier for bringing another interesting video update on these different subs either way I believe it will be a win, win for both Cananda and either South Korean company.
Thanks for watching!
CANADA, would need a Regime change before that boat hits the Ocean with a Maple Leaf on its Sail.
@@barrywakeford1385considering the current government has put way more into the military then past ones i would love to hear why you think a regime change would help
Excellent cover of new Lithium-Ion battery technology for both commercial and tactical naval assets.
Koreans know what they are doing when it comes to shipbuilding. Buying from them would be a good idea
im canadian and interesting proposal. 12 submarines would be 'gamechanger' for canada. however, korea industrialized later than canada. and they have a more sophisticated defence industry.
go Canada we need these subs!
How can we afford these submarines when we pay so many people to do nothing?
Excellent Korean Technology they are becoming one of the major defense export great leap for them.
The main question is how good are the Submarines? South Korean subs haven't been used outside of South Korea.
@@znail4675 The Indoneisan Navy has been using Korean-made subs and already set their deepest diving records with Korean-made subs.
@@jclulu3942 but its performance was disappointing for Indonesian navy
@@FarEast56 What performance was disappointing? lol The Indonesian navy high rank officials even celebrated a new diving record inside the sub by having a toast. Google it!
@@jclulu3942hy korean always make hoaxs nagapasa class is scam peoject, the spesification lower than contract, very weak battery, ery weak power, too noissy, and cant sub 300 m and Indonesia navy want DSME fix it but DSME wont to fix it, thats why indonesia navy cancel jangbogo class batch 2 and choose Scorpene or U214..Now DSME is gone cause HHI bought DSME, DSME is scammer
This is a game changer offer of Hanwha for Canada Indonesia and Philippines
nope for Philippines submarine from south Korea, France is better for Philippines submarine, technology and safety, France technology is proven.
@@pangitko3142 while s. korea is proven failed. Look at nagapasa class.
@@valiant8730 okay lang sa barko dahil naka lutang lang sa dagat di tulad sa submarine na nasa ilalim palagi siya ng dagat, baka ma tulad tayo sa Indonesia.
Has it been produced as yet ? If it hasn't i wouldn't touch it
the offer of korea is dsme 1400 with KSS III system, not the KSS III itself
Right On Go Army!
I hope Poland will buy them :)
I hope more content like this comes out of NavalNews. So far Canada is in talks with South Korea, Sweden, Germany, and Spain. I don't fully understand the specs we need, but having the capability to go under the arctic ice is one of them. I'm not sure if it needs to be large enough to break the ice or not, but it probably would be a good safety feature if something happens.
good luck....PH-SOKOR....god bless us all....🍀🍀🍀🍀🍀🍀🍀🍀
I've just heard South Korean navy is contracted Hanwha to upgrade their existing fleet of KSS-II 1800tons AIP submarines based on Type214 submarine to be equip with Lithium Ion battery and upgrade its sensors and systems to extend the life of the Type 214 submarine fleet. I'm really interested in this project as there are many Type 214 submarines out there.
Which is better A26 or ks111
Xabier feliz navidad
As a Korean this makes me proud to see. I am still waiting for any updates on the Type 26/Hunter class frigates and the Type 31/32
Despite great gains in efficiency, non-nuke boats will always have limitations...all especially apparent in a real shooting war. The use of subs in new roles means that nuke power Attack subs can range far offshore really pushing the screws or act as relentless, on-station, home water defenders. SSNs are expensive to build and operate but for Pacific countries with long coastlines...cough: Canada, Japan, S Korea and Taiwan....rangier and much faster Nuke boats offer hip pocket or long distance power projection...all in one package. Australia is already on it with the AUKUS deals
La fin un peu abrupte "that's our system. thank you."
Canada, has a huge coastline and with most of their artic coast being iced over. A Pragmatic and beneficial program would have been for Canada to have joined the AUKUS nuclear-powered submarine program. That program would have brought in Canadian ship builders into the Anerican submarine program and giving them, Special Security Agreements, that Permit Foreign Firms to Perform Classified Defense Contracts.
The US doesn't want Canada to have nuclear submarines and there's low social acceptability for nuclear projects.
Canada has been offered Nuclear Subs multiple times from the US. Its the Canadian public and their lack of understanding that are blocking Canada from being a Nuclear powered Navy.
I think nuclear submarines might be ideal for Canada. But when can you get the first submarine if you place an order? 10~15 years later? The latest Korean-made lithium submarines can be received within a few years.
@ferleychery7540 the dept of Defense and the U.K ministry of defence, since the early 1970s recommend to the Department of National Defence Of Canada, look into acquiring SSN'S. The Ozzies, after looking at the pros and cons , decided to go nuke. If Canada due to social matters decided to go SSK, the best option would be the proven Japanese Sōryū-class submarines (16SS) or its successor the Taigei-class submarines (29SS). The Japanese after all have been building Lithium-Ion SSK'S since 2005, and have a proven record of performance. But with its vast artic coast lines, a buy into the AUKUS program is both economical and pragmatic.
Tree hugging voters would not appreciate nuke sub
Safe lithium ion battery designs could potentially replace AIP, delivering most of the benefits without the complexity.
Lithium Ion is fairly complex and also very expensive, so I have to disagree.
These are two completely different stories. The LIB will not give you the ability to stay submerged for 20-30 days without losing battery power and without having to use a snorkel.
@@znail4675 yeah just stick to Lead acid and you can't run from faster enemies.
@@valiant8730 What?
@@valiant8730 Diesel Electric Submarines uses stealth not speed to avoid enemies. I also fully expect all Diesel Electric Submarines to use more advanced batteries soon. LiB is not suitable for staying for traveling under water for 30 days. That would require massive amount of batteries and cost a lot. AIP solves that by using some other more power dense means to provide propulsion.
At least its not used, about time we get new subs. What about Sweden subs!
I believe the U.S does not want us poking around the high arctic ocean with nuclear powered subs and 3 out of the 4 parties in Canadian parliament don't want them either, A26 subs from SAAB would have been my choice with the modern AIP system, and get them to throw in some RBS15 mark 4 missiles and then buy some Oerliken 35 Millennium guns and Sea ranger 20mm guns for the Kingston Class giving you some punchy patrol boats.
At 400 metres depth you eliminate tidal flexing from sea craft, submarines are better for patrols and monitoring ocean security ✌️♥️🇬🇧
Well if your a manufacturer relying on Canadian orders i would double down on securing other more realistic customers. Canadian military procurement is the stuff of nightmares, cheap governments, over eager generals. They replaced the helicopters only after the original seakings were 50 years old, same with 2 supply ships 44 years old, this is not a serious military minded country.
*you're, not your
Why are you selling it on TH-cam why don’t you just build it?
What are you doing to maximize the surface area of the lithium to reduce material use and weight
Showcase some North Korean technology
They look like 209s ...
Except they have twice the displacement, 20m longer, foreplanes are mounted on the fin and the KSS can fire SLBMs. Yep just like a 209. All submarines look alike because they're black right?
@@efoxneo Oh bull. Look at the hull cross section. Which is very typical of the 205/206/209/214 style. Scorpene, 212 etc are more circular. And since ROK is building 214s, It follows that they are taking inspiration from the. BTW size shape, so is armamament. I did not say that they _were_ the same, I said that there are similarities in looks. I'll grant you the foreplane.
Its a copy of German Type 209-1400 but with a Korean subsystem.
More than the Submarines, Canada needs a real leader & not Justinder & Jagmeet Joker!
Philippines still plans to buy subs despite the epic failure to maintain the local production requirement of their OPVs project, LPD... among other epic failures. Very funny
kulang kase sa supporta, palagi alibay nila kulang sa budget pero titignan natin kung magkano gastos nila sa mga project nila ilang trillion ginagastos nila kinukurap pa, mahihirap kase sila maka kulap aa gamit para sa military dahil kadali lang malaman kung good quality ba, hindi kase sila makakurap sa military modernization,kaya walang pakialam ang mga senador.
Indonesia avoids RoK 2nd batch Submarine for internal political rivalry reasons.
Philippines still has lack of strong enough defense buget ,so likely can't afford AIP equipped Subs, for now.
Dutch & Canadians have strong enough Defense Budget, can afford AIP systems.
'Buy Euro' politics may cancel out RoK AIP systems for the Dutch, so wait & see ,very soon.
Canadian Defense spending amongst the top 5 failures in procurement.
Their Submarine force is in shambles, their politicians let it die over decades of neglect.
They can put up the budgets, but politics may ruin their Submarine program, again.
What Internal political rivalry reason..Indonesia avoids Jangbogo class batch 2 cause Quality of jang bogo is worst Quality, all aspect is lower than contract spesification, and DSME wont guarantee and fix the big minor…thats why we called jang bogo as jang bego (bego=stupid), korean media always lie and never tell the truth about how unprofessional DSME make jangbego class
Lomobog na hating
Reminder Ang sunmaren sa indonesia galing sa kanila
The Swedish AIP system offered to the Dutch navy is far superior to the battery systems.
KSS 3 uses AIP with Lithium Ion Batteries. The Swedish design is 30 years old.
@@efoxneo Diesel powered with electricity stored in Lithium batteries is not as good as the Swedish Sterling engines that can run and recharge the batteries while running under while the KSS III have to surface to charge the batteries.
The latest Sterling systems have been upgraded on the Gotland class and will be used in the under construction Saab A26 Blekinge class which will be the most advanced non nuclear power submarine in the world which a version of has been offered to the Dutch navy.
Japan submarine got rid of swedish origin aip system for the next generation sub due to many issues.
That tells how bad it is
@@user-zh9kc7tw4nPatriotic Swedish?
@@ubay1670 that is is interesting information but your are wrong. It does indeed have a depth limit but that is a technical reason.
Saab's Stirling engine is a low-acoustic engine that burns a mixture of liquified oxygen and diesel, which can also be used to power the onboard diesel engines.0 The engine is well-suited for submarines because it is nearly silent and can use the surrounding sea water as a heat sink to increase efficiency. The Gotland-class submarine is powered by two sets of MTU engines on the water surface, while submerged, the Kockums-built Stirling engine AIP system is used to drive a 75-kilowatt generator for either propulsion or charging the batteries.2 The submerged endurance is dependent on the amount of liquid oxygen stored on-board and is described as "weeks". The Kockums A26, currently in development, will incorporate the latest and most modern and refined Stirling AIP technology-MK 5 version. The engine operates at a pressure of 20 bars, which limits the submarine's depth to 200m, unless a power-consuming and potentially noisy exhaust gas intensifier is used.
😂😂😂😂 that’s why Nuclear is better x1000000000 50 years NO headaches
A car battery burns under stress
Never mind being 500 meters below water and battery fires 😂
The US has basically said they do not want Canada to have nuclear subs in the arctic. Many aspects of submarine tactics are not practiced by Canada due to having limited subs.
France submarine🤟🏽
What
Yeah💯
@@kenoriose123 ?
@@AugmentedGravity !
@@kenoriose123 ?
How do you waste 1 billion dollars and turn a high tech submarine into a rock detector? Give it to the Canadian Navy.
try my egg foo young taste better than yours
Don’t Bought DSME jang bogo aka Hanwa 1400 those submarine is scammed project the Quality lower from contract spesification and DSME won’t to fix it and now DSME is gone cause HHI bought DSME…look nagapasa class or jang bego class just floating beside shipyard and after unprofessional DSME act Indonesia cancel nagapasa class batch 2
인도네시아 돈앖어서 그런거임 그래서 다른나라에 반매할거임
@@user-dj2tv5zv1ymaybe indonesia grounded jangbego and sell to philipines with half price, cause too expensive to fix it..the jang bogo now as trainning submarine, Indonesia navy wont operate it
@@jinnilovely5573너희가 지불한 만큼만의 성능을 기대해야하지 않겠어? 인도네시아 밀리터리 덕후들은 양심이라는 단어를 모르는거같다. 그래서 쮜똥만한 돈을 내고 KF-21의 모든 기술을 내놓으라 했던것일까? 인도네시아인들은 한국을 만만하게 보는가?
@@kfx3907🤣🤣🤣 we pay jang bogo for contract specification, but we got craps submarine (jang bego) with Quality under specification of a contract…our government never want all technology kf 21 (why korean media always make hoax) indonesia realistic country, if we pay 20% so we deserve 20% of KF21 techology..and if we bought 50 KF21 we deserve another techology ..
@@jinnilovely5573팩트: 아직도 분담금 20% 중에 절반도 지불 안 했다 KF-21 개발 다 끝나갈 즘 돼서 아주아주 조금씩 납부 중 그래놓고 기술 이전 해달라니 도둑놈 마인드
First, let's build a submarine that can "operate properly". "How many submarines out of the 6 KSS-IIs have been fully operationalized?" Has the “cause” of the submarine accident of the Indonesian Han Army been clarified? You signed a contract for 6 ships, but it was canceled after 3 ships, right?
When will KSS-III Batch-I's "Dosan Anchanho" be "commissioned"? It's been about a year since the ship went into service, but I haven't heard anything. It will really care. KSS--III Batch-II Power Source Lithium Ion Battery - Really OK? If you "breathe fire" while diving, why don't you "ignite" your proud "ICBM" or a "vertical launch missile" that you don't know what it is? I don't know which company's "battery" to use, but I think you should stop using the "pouch type".
The lithium-ion battery used by JP's submarines is produced by the company on the right. Lithium-ion batteries for "GS Yuasa" have been researched and developed since the 1980s. As a result, it was recognized by NASA and installed on the ISS, winning its trust.The Japan Maritime Self-Defense Force (JMSDF) "Soryu" type was put into trial operation from Hall 11 and is now in full-scale operation as the "Taigei" type. Please develop a "submarine" that does not cause "annoyance" to other countries with 100% original technology and "sell" it.
まず“まともに運行できる”潜水艦を作りましょう。KSS-Ⅱ6隻のうちまともに戦力化できている潜水艦は”何隻ですか”？インドネシア漢軍の潜水艦事故の”原因”は解明できましたか？６隻契約しましたが３隻で打ち切られましたよね何故？
KSS-Ⅲバッチ-Ⅰの「トサンアンチャンホ」の”就役”は何時になるの？もう１年位就航から経ちましたが何の音沙汰がありません？すごく気になります。KSS--Ⅲバッチ-Ⅱの動力源のリチュウムイオンバッテリ－ホントに大丈夫？潜水中に”火を噴いたら”ご自慢の”ICBM”か何だかわからない”垂直発射ミサイル”に”引火”して大迷惑かけない？どこの会社の”バッテリ－”使うか分からないけど、”パウチ式”はやめた方がいいと思うよ。
JPの潜水艦が使用しているリチュウムイオンバッテリ－は右記会社が制作しています。”GSユアサ”のリチュウムイオンバッテリ－は１９８０年代から研究開発されてきました。その結果NASAに認められ”ISS”に搭載され信頼を勝ち取り、わが海上自衛隊（JMSDF)の「そうりゅう」型の１１番館から試験運用され「たいげい」型で本格運用しております。 くれぐれも他国に”迷惑”をかけない”潜水艦”をオリジナル技術100％で開発して”販売”してあげてください。
The Indonesian sub that sank is a German-made sub. The Indonesian Navy set their deepest diving record with the Korean-made sub. The first and the second subs of KSS-lll have been commissioned and set a world's longest diving record of conventional subs, longer than 3 weeks. Korea is most advanced in building a conventional sub, it's the only one that built a conventional sub with AIP, Lithium-ion battery and SLBM. The battery technology of Korea is more advanced than that of Japan just like battery for electric vehicles. Moreover Korean subs are much more automated so that the KSS-lll class sub requires only 50 crew while the Japanese Soryu and Thai Gay class sub requires 70~80 crew. It is well known that the Japanese subs are made with low-quality steel produced by the Kobe steel who ever cheated its quality data.
@@jclulu3942 I hate to say that the Indonesian navy submarine was "refurbished" or "maintained", but it's the "Republic of Korea"! So what's the "honor" about updating the submarine seismic intensity and causing an "accident"? The way of operation is bad, it's bad because it's made in Germany! You say funny things! ! Speaking of which, where is the "provider" of "submarines" in "home country"? It's going to be a story, right? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? i have something to say
Japan hasn't exported any submarines, so you should just keep your mouth shut if you don't know anything. Take that as punishment for being the aggressor class nations during WWII.
인도네시아 침몰잠수함은 독일에서만든잠수함이다 예전에 한국업체에서 정비한번 받은것뿐이고
다음정비기간이 한참지났는데도 정비안받고 운항하지도않던 잠수함을
갑자기 인원초가하며 잠항했다가 침몰당한거임! 미친놈들이지?
@@n1k2-ja46역시 선동과 날조하면 일본인! 오늘도 어김없군요😂
I hope the canadian govt acts fast on purchasing new subs. Its very embarrassing
I prefer German submarine quality
There's a Japanese dwarf who feels inferior!