In Bridge Commander, the Sovereign's weak-point are the hit-boxes for the impulse engines. Fire elsewhere, and the damage is generally split across a few systems, but focus on the impulse drives... and if you can get through the shields, the Sovereign will quickly lose maneuvering power. Is that enough for the Lakota to prevail? Unsure. But in that last fight, you struggled because the Lakota got through your dorsal shields and actually did damage to your impulse drives. Not directly, but close enough to turn the Enterprise-E sluggish. Food for thought, if you ever want to try again. Don't target the Sovereign's sensor dish or shield grid, target the impulse engines. That will yield you an advantage faster.
Mr. Scott's Guide to the Enterprise has her being the To-Ho. w/ a prototype transwarp drive like Nx-2k. If I remember correctly Gene said that it was the Yorktown. Gene was just a consultant after TMP until just after STV. That's why the Reliant was originally an Avenger Class. Gene came back into power and things changed, ship classes, warp scale
@@danielhall5364 Gene wanted to name the ship originally S.S. Yorktown anyway (before the production of TOS started). But when the first nuclear aircraft carrier was put into service, and when he saw how popular the name was, he quickly changed it to Enterprise.
@@kavinskysmith4094 The Defiant is a skirmisher; they were supposed to be fighting in groups, using swarm tactics, not going one v one against much larger ships, it's just Sisko and his Pimp Hand ignored that fact. Offensively, the Lakota is not a weak ship, but defensively it's still an Excelsior class, which is a hundred-year-old design by DS9. The Sovereign is the closest thing to a battleship Starfleet has (I'd argue the Prometheus but that's an aside). The most modern hull-design, weapons, shields and armour that Starfleet can come up with. The Lakota can deal the punches toe-to-toe with a Sovereign, but is going to come up short in the durability department, aka a glass cannon.
@@deaks25 This is probably just hole in the fictional story. Once you had a space ship the size of an excelsior, you could modify it just about any way you want. The structure doesn't need to be made from newer super alloys to support the shield generators from a galaxy class. You've got room to install them. Just like quantum torpedo launchers. Granted you would eventually run into some kind of limitation. But even if maneuverability was a problem, the engines could be upgraded. Kinda like how we could could take some big 1960's Ford boat of a car, and make it comparable to a modern car with a lot of work. It will never be quite as nice, but you could make people say "Eh, I don't mind it". And it would be and easier and faster than building a new car.
@@enermaxstephens1051 The issue you run into is power generation and distribution. Yeah, you could toss some Galaxy class shield emitters onto an Excelsior frame. But will the reactors be able to power them fully without depriving other systems and can the EPS network handle the additional power draw without blowing out.
I used to duel against Sovereign class players using the Lakota in Kobayashi Maru 1.0 back in the old days, and it was do-able depending on player skill.
Actually, the Lakota is just a redress of the Enterprise B model, which itself is the original Excelsior Model from Star Trek III, but with bits added to it for Star Trek: Generations.
@@RetroBadgerGaming According to Frakes, Paramount nickel and dimed everything through out the entire TNG era. For example, the Cardassians never got another cruiser class ship after the Galor because they wouldn't pitch in for a new model. So for "Defiant" and "The Die is Cast" for Season 3 of DS9 they created the Keldon Class but giving a Galor model a backpack and some cool fins on the tail. It looks good, but like the Excelsior, best they could do was bits on the old model.
Renaming does happen, but it's rare that it happens after a ship has launched for the first time. There are a couple of scenarios where this might have happened to the Enterprise-B that I can think of off the top of my head: 1) the ship was decommissioned at some point, only to be refit and put back into service for some reason at a later date when the Enterprise-C or D was already in service, meaning the name was taken and would have to be changed. Or 2) the ship was lost in action, but was recovered and found to be repairable sometime after the Enterprise-C was launched, forcing a renaming for the same reason. The second possibility could work with what is already known in Beta Canon. Basically, the Enterprise-B's entre crew was killed by an unknown infection in 2329. It's possible that the ship itself simply couldn't be found for some years after, or that the ship was quarantined indefinitely due to the infection, and the Enterprise-C was named and launched before the infection was dealt with. If that was the case, then the ship would still have been in perfect working order, and I could see the Admiralty just shrugging and ordering it to be renamed and put back into service as the USS Lakota once it was deemed safe to do so.
I read some lore about it being lost simply because the crew all died to a advance virus. So the ship was 100% fine, but full of the dead who manned her. My headcannon is that the flagship being brought down by a virus shamed Starfleet so they recovered the ship and rechristened her quietly to the USS Lakota.
😲Gosh Admiral.. this was hard to watch, I just watched DS9 when they took back DS9 and a lot of Excelsior ships gosh and was insane battle, this I am surprised.. Yes the Lakota can fire from the Aft but the Sovereign is advanced and well both had quantums.. hmm.. Yes they can change ship names, seen that in many shows.. this was interesting battle. gosh.. both held out good. Nice. !!!😊🖖*I still have the Excelsior in the box, did not make that model, now worth a lot. lol. Voyager is always bought and if any gosh price is unreal.. !!!
Oh wow! That amazing how you have an excelsior model. I saw a model of voyager years ago and didn't buy it. A week later it was gone 😭. It is unusual how the Lakota has aft quantams. However we know voyager was capable of firing them, with some modifications. 🖖
@@RetroBadgerGaming Yes gosh those model the large ones a virtually gone or ridiculous prices.. Yes found that great the Lakota could fire aft, yes with mods I think any ship could.. Yes me too went back and just 4 days and all gone eeh.. lol 🖖I still have the DS9 with a mini Runabout still in the box.. ! Even saw Ent B and gone 😞
I think the early “Lost Years” has nearly a dozen Excelsior refits. These would have been replaced in the 2320s by the Ambassador Class. Then, a lot of additional Excelsiors were built in the 2330s (with NCC-4xxxx registries) to serve in lesser rolls. The Lakota was probably one of those, with revised specs. These later Excelsiors were in the process of being replaced during the TNG movies by the Sovereign Class.
I did not expect that second fight to be so armchair ripping close at all. And RL, naval ships aren't like passenger ships, they don't get assigned a new name every time they change hands. In fact it's considered bad luck, to rechristen an active ship with a new name.
Sovereign class vs Excelsior class. Which is stronger. Excelsior fires six quantum torpedoes and can only collapse a shield facing and cause superficial damage to the hull of the Sovereign. Sovereign fires only four and collapses the shield facing and reduces a decent portion of the hull underneath to molten scrap. No question which is truly better from a technical standpoint.
Is there anything in bridge commander that replicates defence perimeter stations? Something similar to the cardassian orbital platforms? Would be interesting to see how well they defend against romulans etc
Yes, that is the Enterprise-B shell. It's very possible that they renamed it after the loss of James T Kirk. 😔 Oh, by the way, is it Tuesday? And is that Captain Cameron? 😆 (Alan Ruck) But I agree, on paper, the Sovereign should dominate.
This must be a stronger Lakota mod. Usually the Lakota folds like a house of cards under any kind of fire power but this thing went toe to toe with a Sovereign refit and nearly won lol. Also the Lakota nacelles never flew off like in the past so that's a plus right there.
I think the Lakota refit, especially with the Quantum Torpedoes, brings it to a "classic" Light Cruiser status in that it has contemporary Cruiser firepower on a smaller, more fragile frame.
The Tier XII phaser arrays should give the Sovereign class a distinct advantage, even though the Lakota phasers have been upgraded. Shields should also make a difference beyond the strength of the hull itself.
If were goin by lore i read in a star trek tech manual that the enterprise e can do a volly of 23 torpedoes at once, thats more then enough to take out most ships
It was only close because you kept off firing your quantum torpedoes. They really back a punch. Tip. Don't expose your weak shield or damaged hull to the enemy ship.
My install is wrecked at the moment. When I find out the specific model I'll post below here and tell you. It would have been gamefront where I got it 🖖
Yes!! That's odd. I'm assuming it's to do with the new Quick Battle Plus. There is an ability to repair systems. This warrants further investigation. Thanks for pointing this out 🖖
If the Enterprise B was put in mothballs, and then brought out for refitting after the C was commissioned, then yes I could see the ship being renamed.
@@Anarchist86ed Yes but the question was "could the Enterprise B be renamed?" And under such a circumstance it could. Or... It was found in decent condition (AKA not destroyed) then refitted and renamed.
@@Dracounguis Ya never know what starfleet is thinking. But given that the enterprise B had taken serious structural damage before it even officially launched and had a good service term, it's unlikely they'd just wash the name Enterprise off it and upgrade it. The Lakota was probably a newer refit that had seen much less action in its lifetime making it a more sensible candidate for modern upgrades including installing quantum launchers and superior phasers.
I've nevwr heard the theory that it's the actual enterprise B and I don't really like the idea. Why would they rename an enterprise? It just seems weird to me. It also means the the entwrprise was a villain ship. I've grown to like the idea that it was lost in space after coming across a virus and quarantines itself. I kind of like the idea of a ship that goes through so much and then the moment it thinks it's safe, space juat drops a deadly virus on them. Death from the unknown is an interesting fate for an enterprise, not even it is invulnerable to thw potential horrors of deep space. It also just fits the unlucky vibe of the enterprise B.
Nahh the Excelsior class was tough. I imagine Lakota has Arnor added after fighting the defiant. Given how her skipper took note of the advantage it gives . To be honest given how op defiant was with her miniaturized worp core something tells me Lakota was outfitted with something better
Well the Enterprise B was basically the E's prototype done for generations when you think about it, both made by John Eaves, so it makes sense that its stronger, also I'm really missing the high energy turns from starfleet command here, as god that looks like it could really help you here lol
Of course they rename ships officially the Second defiant! Unofficial the Enterprise A was Yorktown! Officially Starbase Yorktown made the Enterprise A! lol
Id say that went about the way it should. However im not convinced it had aft quantums....but I guess we will never know 😅. And your right retro, quantums definitely harder to make. I actually read a trek book (thats no longer canon) But long story short they were at war with the borg after the events of voyager end game. And not all star ships produced transphasic torpedoes cause 1, they wanted to limit the chances of assimilation. And 2 they were so hard to make they converted sn entire deck on the E to make them. Im thinking quantums were similar. So hard to make, they were limited
Two of the best looking ships go head to head. I don't think they renamed the Enterprise B the Lakota, it would be far too old to still be in service at this point.
There's a long Naval history of ships being re-named though superstitious sailors believe that's bad luck. It usually happens if a ship is sold off to another nation, there's a change in govt., especially major changes in political systems like when the Nazi party took control of Germany or the Bolsheviks took control of Russia and the new govt wanting to wipe away all traces of the old. And a ship's name can be changed if a newer ship (usually of a newer or different class) enters service but the older ship will remain in service . That could easily happen with Excelsior class ships and their long service lives. The Lakota could well have been the Enterprise B if it remained in service after the C was launched.
At best the Lakota was on par with the Defiant but no way it could do that much damage on the Enterprise E. This Lakota is far too strong in this game.
Why would they rename the flagship of Starfleet to another ship? I mean unless the B was decommissioned then brought back in service and heavily upgraded then renamed. I don't know if I could get behind that particular concept. I mean I guess it's possible but dunno... yes there is also the Sao Paulo was renamed the Defiant but Starfleet gave Sisko special permission to rename it to Defiant. I'm a bit surprised you didn't know the Enterprise-B studio model was reworked to be the Lakota. For the Lakota being able to fire aft quantum torpedoes...I don't see why not. I mean we never saw it on tv but it doesn't mean it didn't have that ability. I agree the winner is the Enterprise-E. Like you pointed out the Enterprise-E at least the upgrade she got during the Dominion War with the ablative armor. The Lakota as far as I know did NOT have ablative armor. Especially when Captain Benteen told Admiral Layton that the Defiant was equipped with armor but neglected to inform Starfleet Command about it.
To be honest Trent, I don't think the Enterprise B was a flagship. Controversial I know 😂. I think it was the Excelsior. If there's proof to say otherwise I'll happily accept it. Your right about Captain Benteen, I totally forgot she said that about the Defiant armour! Well spotted 🖖
I don't like the theory that the Enterprise B was renamed the USS Lakota. If you think about that woukd basically mean that were saying that the Vs legacy was bad and tget want to forget all about it. It would either serve till it was destroyed or retired and put in a museum.
Nothing unusual about Star Trek reusing filming miniatures. I'll even go as far as to say that with the next Generation they reused some miniature so much it got to the point where it wasn't cool.
Proof that this simulation doesnt match up to "real" specs, the Lakota came off about even against the Defiant, and that's definitely not in the E's weight class
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Took a shot every time Retro-Badger said "quantum torpedoes." Now dead 😉
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In Bridge Commander, the Sovereign's weak-point are the hit-boxes for the impulse engines.
Fire elsewhere, and the damage is generally split across a few systems, but focus on the impulse drives... and if you can get through the shields, the Sovereign will quickly lose maneuvering power.
Is that enough for the Lakota to prevail? Unsure. But in that last fight, you struggled because the Lakota got through your dorsal shields and actually did damage to your impulse drives. Not directly, but close enough to turn the Enterprise-E sluggish.
Food for thought, if you ever want to try again. Don't target the Sovereign's sensor dish or shield grid, target the impulse engines. That will yield you an advantage faster.
fascinating
1:58 Retro Badger: I think this is possible. I really do.
Also Retro Badger: Oh no! I've lost my torpedo launchers! Oh no no no!!
I believe when the studio model of Enterprise B was sold at auction it had Lakota nameplate/markings on it.
Thanks for sharing that 🖖
USS Enterprise NCC-1701-A was originally the USS Yorktown and renamed after the loss of The original Enterprise
Mr. Scott's Guide to the Enterprise has her being the To-Ho. w/ a prototype transwarp drive like Nx-2k. If I remember correctly Gene said that it was the Yorktown. Gene was just a consultant after TMP until just after STV. That's why the Reliant was originally an Avenger Class. Gene came back into power and things changed, ship classes, warp scale
@@danielhall5364 Gene wanted to name the ship originally S.S. Yorktown anyway (before the production of TOS started). But when the first nuclear aircraft carrier was put into service, and when he saw how popular the name was, he quickly changed it to Enterprise.
3:53 A standard Photon Torpedo at maximum yield is equivalent to between 65 and 70 MT.
The Lakota was an upgraded ship, upgraded from an old ship, the Enterprise E was specifically designed to hold the line against the Borg threat
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Thanks buddy 🖖
The Lakota being something of a glass-cannon does make sense. I think this was fairly representative.
not really, it fought the defiant to a standstill and nearly had it on the ropes, its not a weak ship
@@kavinskysmith4094 The Defiant is a skirmisher; they were supposed to be fighting in groups, using swarm tactics, not going one v one against much larger ships, it's just Sisko and his Pimp Hand ignored that fact.
Offensively, the Lakota is not a weak ship, but defensively it's still an Excelsior class, which is a hundred-year-old design by DS9.
The Sovereign is the closest thing to a battleship Starfleet has (I'd argue the Prometheus but that's an aside). The most modern hull-design, weapons, shields and armour that Starfleet can come up with.
The Lakota can deal the punches toe-to-toe with a Sovereign, but is going to come up short in the durability department, aka a glass cannon.
@@deaks25 This is probably just hole in the fictional story. Once you had a space ship the size of an excelsior, you could modify it just about any way you want. The structure doesn't need to be made from newer super alloys to support the shield generators from a galaxy class. You've got room to install them. Just like quantum torpedo launchers. Granted you would eventually run into some kind of limitation. But even if maneuverability was a problem, the engines could be upgraded. Kinda like how we could could take some big 1960's Ford boat of a car, and make it comparable to a modern car with a lot of work. It will never be quite as nice, but you could make people say "Eh, I don't mind it". And it would be and easier and faster than building a new car.
@@enermaxstephens1051 The issue you run into is power generation and distribution. Yeah, you could toss some Galaxy class shield emitters onto an Excelsior frame. But will the reactors be able to power them fully without depriving other systems and can the EPS network handle the additional power draw without blowing out.
@@kavinskysmith4094 The Defiant was holding back though. It didn't use quantums.
I used to duel against Sovereign class players using the Lakota in Kobayashi Maru 1.0 back in the old days, and it was do-able depending on player skill.
Actually, the Lakota is just a redress of the Enterprise B model, which itself is the original Excelsior Model from Star Trek III, but with bits added to it for Star Trek: Generations.
It amazes me how much has been reused over the years. Really neat at the same time 🖖
@@RetroBadgerGaming According to Frakes, Paramount nickel and dimed everything through out the entire TNG era. For example, the Cardassians never got another cruiser class ship after the Galor because they wouldn't pitch in for a new model. So for "Defiant" and "The Die is Cast" for Season 3 of DS9 they created the Keldon Class but giving a Galor model a backpack and some cool fins on the tail. It looks good, but like the Excelsior, best they could do was bits on the old model.
The sovereign Is actually my favourite class
Renaming does happen, but it's rare that it happens after a ship has launched for the first time. There are a couple of scenarios where this might have happened to the Enterprise-B that I can think of off the top of my head: 1) the ship was decommissioned at some point, only to be refit and put back into service for some reason at a later date when the Enterprise-C or D was already in service, meaning the name was taken and would have to be changed. Or 2) the ship was lost in action, but was recovered and found to be repairable sometime after the Enterprise-C was launched, forcing a renaming for the same reason.
The second possibility could work with what is already known in Beta Canon. Basically, the Enterprise-B's entre crew was killed by an unknown infection in 2329. It's possible that the ship itself simply couldn't be found for some years after, or that the ship was quarantined indefinitely due to the infection, and the Enterprise-C was named and launched before the infection was dealt with. If that was the case, then the ship would still have been in perfect working order, and I could see the Admiralty just shrugging and ordering it to be renamed and put back into service as the USS Lakota once it was deemed safe to do so.
Must turn faster! Must turn faster! Go go go!
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@@simonpreston References... uh, find a way. 😉
Given the frak ton of torpedo launchers that the E-E had in Nemesis, this version is underselling the Sovereigns.
My understanding is that the Enterprise B was lost at deep space. But like Lakota being NC 1701-B
I read some lore about it being lost simply because the crew all died to a advance virus. So the ship was 100% fine, but full of the dead who manned her. My headcannon is that the flagship being brought down by a virus shamed Starfleet so they recovered the ship and rechristened her quietly to the USS Lakota.
😲Gosh Admiral.. this was hard to watch, I just watched DS9 when they took back DS9 and a lot of Excelsior ships gosh and was insane battle, this I am surprised.. Yes the Lakota can fire from the Aft but the Sovereign is advanced and well both had quantums.. hmm.. Yes they can change ship names, seen that in many shows.. this was interesting battle. gosh.. both held out good. Nice. !!!😊🖖*I still have the Excelsior in the box, did not make that model, now worth a lot. lol. Voyager is always bought and if any gosh price is unreal.. !!!
Oh wow! That amazing how you have an excelsior model. I saw a model of voyager years ago and didn't buy it. A week later it was gone 😭. It is unusual how the Lakota has aft quantams. However we know voyager was capable of firing them, with some modifications. 🖖
@@RetroBadgerGaming Yes gosh those model the large ones a virtually gone or ridiculous prices.. Yes found that great the Lakota could fire aft, yes with mods I think any ship could.. Yes me too went back and just 4 days and all gone eeh.. lol 🖖I still have the DS9 with a mini Runabout still in the box.. ! Even saw Ent B and gone 😞
I think the early “Lost Years” has nearly a dozen Excelsior refits.
These would have been replaced in the 2320s by the Ambassador Class. Then, a lot of additional Excelsiors were built in the 2330s (with NCC-4xxxx registries) to serve in lesser rolls. The Lakota was probably one of those, with revised specs.
These later Excelsiors were in the process of being replaced during the TNG movies by the Sovereign Class.
Absolutely True Star Trek Trivia: Captain Erika Benteen of the U.S.S. Lakota and Dr. Leah Brahms-LaForge were twins separated at birth. 😉
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Wow so close on the 2 round 😮🎉
I did not expect that second fight to be so armchair ripping close at all. And RL, naval ships aren't like passenger ships, they don't get assigned a new name every time they change hands. In fact it's considered bad luck, to rechristen an active ship with a new name.
You went to it a couple times, reason for not raising power to the weapons and shield systems in the Lakota to 125% above nominal?
Sovereign class vs Excelsior class. Which is stronger. Excelsior fires six quantum torpedoes and can only collapse a shield facing and cause superficial damage to the hull of the Sovereign. Sovereign fires only four and collapses the shield facing and reduces a decent portion of the hull underneath to molten scrap. No question which is truly better from a technical standpoint.
Is there anything in bridge commander that replicates defence perimeter stations? Something similar to the cardassian orbital platforms?
Would be interesting to see how well they defend against romulans etc
The Excelsior is the STU's version of the B-52, aka Grandpa Buff. For a good reason.
That's a really good comparison 😎🖖
In 2329 the Enterprise B was lost, presumed destroyed.
Not canon
Nice! Though I do think that the Sovereign-Class would wipe the floor with an Excelsior, without much effort. In reality.
I love me some USS Dakota vids.
Yes, that is the Enterprise-B shell. It's very possible that they renamed it after the loss of James T Kirk. 😔
Oh, by the way, is it Tuesday? And is that Captain Cameron? 😆 (Alan Ruck)
But I agree, on paper, the Sovereign should dominate.
Yeah the Enterprise E does have a very tough hull, and at least (if not all) key areas of the ship are protected by ablative armour.
This must be a stronger Lakota mod. Usually the Lakota folds like a house of cards under any kind of fire power but this thing went toe to toe with a Sovereign refit and nearly won lol. Also the Lakota nacelles never flew off like in the past so that's a plus right there.
No way the Lakota can't beat the Enterprise E or Voyager or the Prometheus they are state of the art Starships.
Any chance we could see Species 8472 versus an Ori ship?
I think the Lakota refit, especially with the Quantum Torpedoes, brings it to a "classic" Light Cruiser status in that it has contemporary Cruiser firepower on a smaller, more fragile frame.
What happened at the 2:56 mark when the Sovereign suddenly got a big boost in shields?
I belive it's to do with the new Quick Battle Plus. It has new features added. I need to look into this 🖖
The Tier XII phaser arrays should give the Sovereign class a distinct advantage, even though the Lakota phasers have been upgraded. Shields should also make a difference beyond the strength of the hull itself.
Where can I find the Lakota in the Remastered mod? I don’t see it.
If were goin by lore i read in a star trek tech manual that the enterprise e can do a volly of 23 torpedoes at once, thats more then enough to take out most ships
Say-o, he say say-o.
It was only close because you kept off firing your quantum torpedoes. They really back a punch. Tip. Don't expose your weak shield or damaged hull to the enemy ship.
Where did you find the remastered Lakota? I've looked before to no avail.
My install is wrecked at the moment. When I find out the specific model I'll post below here and tell you. It would have been gamefront where I got it 🖖
@@RetroBadgerGaming Thanks Retro, I'd appreciate that. My searching abilities apparently need improvement.
The Enterprisel B Was just an upgraded Excelsior class.
When fighting a sovereign or galaxy i always target the forward torps first then most of their fire power is gone
Someone has equipped the Enterprise with ablative armor and neglected to inform Starfleed Operations.
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@4:17 mark the Lakota's shields were almost gone then suddenly got a whole lot better instantly?
Yes!! That's odd. I'm assuming it's to do with the new Quick Battle Plus. There is an ability to repair systems. This warrants further investigation. Thanks for pointing this out 🖖
Thor- Supreme Commander of the Asgard Fleet!- a lot of fire power for a Excelsior class REFITED! lol
Thing is the lakota is a multi-role starship where as the sovereign is a dedicated warship.
If the Enterprise B was put in mothballs, and then brought out for refitting after the C was commissioned, then yes I could see the ship being renamed.
It was lost, presumed destroyed.
@@Anarchist86ed Yes but the question was "could the Enterprise B be renamed?" And under such a circumstance it could. Or... It was found in decent condition (AKA not destroyed) then refitted and renamed.
@@Dracounguis Ya never know what starfleet is thinking. But given that the enterprise B had taken serious structural damage before it even officially launched and had a good service term, it's unlikely they'd just wash the name Enterprise off it and upgrade it. The Lakota was probably a newer refit that had seen much less action in its lifetime making it a more sensible candidate for modern upgrades including installing quantum launchers and superior phasers.
Why would they have mothballed the enterprise B?
@@charlestownsend9280 do you know what 'hypothetical' means?
I've nevwr heard the theory that it's the actual enterprise B and I don't really like the idea. Why would they rename an enterprise? It just seems weird to me. It also means the the entwrprise was a villain ship.
I've grown to like the idea that it was lost in space after coming across a virus and quarantines itself. I kind of like the idea of a ship that goes through so much and then the moment it thinks it's safe, space juat drops a deadly virus on them. Death from the unknown is an interesting fate for an enterprise, not even it is invulnerable to thw potential horrors of deep space. It also just fits the unlucky vibe of the enterprise B.
The Lakota has batman level plot armor.
Nahh the Excelsior class was tough. I imagine Lakota has Arnor added after fighting the defiant. Given how her skipper took note of the advantage it gives . To be honest given how op defiant was with her miniaturized worp core something tells me Lakota was outfitted with something better
Well the Enterprise B was basically the E's prototype done for generations when you think about it, both made by John Eaves, so it makes sense that its stronger, also I'm really missing the high energy turns from starfleet command here, as god that looks like it could really help you here lol
High energy turns were amazing in Klingon Academy. That would have been a neat feature for Bridge Commander 🖖
Of course they rename ships officially the Second defiant! Unofficial the Enterprise A was Yorktown! Officially Starbase Yorktown made the Enterprise A! lol
Wait, so the Lakota has ALL of it's torpedo launchers set for quantum, but the Enterprise only has ONE forward Quantum launcher? Weird
Id say that went about the way it should. However im not convinced it had aft quantums....but I guess we will never know 😅.
And your right retro, quantums definitely harder to make. I actually read a trek book (thats no longer canon)
But long story short they were at war with the borg after the events of voyager end game. And not all star ships produced transphasic torpedoes cause 1, they wanted to limit the chances of assimilation. And 2 they were so hard to make they converted sn entire deck on the E to make them. Im thinking quantums were similar. So hard to make, they were limited
Cool, never heard of that book. Thanks for sharing! 🖖
Two of the best looking ships go head to head.
I don't think they renamed the Enterprise B the Lakota, it would be far too old to still be in service at this point.
Yeah whats the stardate difference? 200 years ? Excellsior not the highest number of ships built ? A testimony to the ship NCC 2000 -love it.
I stand to be corrected, but doesn't the Enterprise-E have a dedicated quantum torpedo turret, not simply a "launcher"?
Correct! That could explain why the Quantums look different to the defiant and sound different. I'm as sum the turret is more powerful 🖖
Lakota vs the Enterprise C and D
Sayo polo?
There's a long Naval history of ships being re-named though superstitious sailors believe that's bad luck. It usually happens if a ship is sold off to another nation, there's a change in govt., especially major changes in political systems like when the Nazi party took control of Germany or the Bolsheviks took control of Russia and the new govt wanting to wipe away all traces of the old.
And a ship's name can be changed if a newer ship (usually of a newer or different class) enters service but the older ship will remain in service . That could easily happen with Excelsior class ships and their long service lives. The Lakota could well have been the Enterprise B if it remained in service after the C was launched.
At best the Lakota was on par with the Defiant but no way it could do that much damage on the Enterprise E. This Lakota is far too strong in this game.
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Why would they rename the flagship of Starfleet to another ship? I mean unless the B was decommissioned then brought back in service and heavily upgraded then renamed. I don't know if I could get behind that particular concept. I mean I guess it's possible but dunno... yes there is also the Sao Paulo was renamed the Defiant but Starfleet gave Sisko special permission to rename it to Defiant.
I'm a bit surprised you didn't know the Enterprise-B studio model was reworked to be the Lakota.
For the Lakota being able to fire aft quantum torpedoes...I don't see why not. I mean we never saw it on tv but it doesn't mean it didn't have that ability.
I agree the winner is the Enterprise-E. Like you pointed out the Enterprise-E at least the upgrade she got during the Dominion War with the ablative armor. The Lakota as far as I know did NOT have ablative armor. Especially when Captain Benteen told Admiral Layton that the Defiant was equipped with armor but neglected to inform Starfleet Command about it.
To be honest Trent, I don't think the Enterprise B was a flagship. Controversial I know 😂. I think it was the Excelsior. If there's proof to say otherwise I'll happily accept it. Your right about Captain Benteen, I totally forgot she said that about the Defiant armour! Well spotted 🖖
I don't like the theory that the Enterprise B was renamed the USS Lakota. If you think about that woukd basically mean that were saying that the Vs legacy was bad and tget want to forget all about it. It would either serve till it was destroyed or retired and put in a museum.
The Lakota did have a bladed armour.
Nothing unusual about Star Trek reusing filming miniatures. I'll even go as far as to say that with the next Generation they reused some miniature so much it got to the point where it wasn't cool.
I think USS Lakota would have got it's ass kicked by the Enterprise E this by the way
Proof that this simulation doesnt match up to "real" specs, the Lakota came off about even against the Defiant, and that's definitely not in the E's weight class
Who captained the USS Lakota?
Captain Benteen 🖖
They be named the Titan A enterprise G although I still don’t agree with it
Enterprice E made to seek and destroy any kind of ships
The USS Titan A was renamed USS Enterprise G in Picard
And he used the qauntums to destroy a maquis planet😢
The Lakota is a native American group .
Excelsior class and her refits are better looking ships. Fight me. ^.-.^
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You need to work on your I Piloting Skills 😂
Say sow paulo
Interesting fact the defiant only fired around 18 quantum torpedoes in the whole of ds9
Drop the bottle. They fired off more than that in season 3 alone
@@markmullins8622I think they mean on screen. It's likely they did fire a lot more during larger battles but you could say that for any ship.
@@charlestownsend9280 I'm talking on screen. Your count is off.
Learn how to say São Paulo.
The USS Yorktown was renamed USS Enterprise a