Have a number of Woodpecker tools. I purchased this "Exact 90" miter gauge. It worked consistently on material under 12 inches. But between 12 and 24 inches, was unreliable in my new Laguna Fusion 2 table saw. I calibrated the gauge with my saw blade to ensure 90 degrees. I used the flop stop (that I love), used both gauge washers, and used it with and without the sacrifical fence. In all cases, I could not get a consistent 90 degree cut for 12-24 inch boards.. I emailed the issues to Woodpeckers, telling them that I suspected a weak leaf spring in the first two slots. I was called a week later by a machinist. He located a Fusion two table, made measurements, and milled me a new miter bar with tighter leaf springs. Sent to me as a warranty issue (no cost), and the new bar is perfect for all board lengths. Never had this terrific experience with any tool company. Just became a lifetime fan! Customer focus extraordinaire!
My experience was the complete opposite. I bought their regular miter gauge and, when I got it, I found that the fence extension didn't line up with the main fence. I communicated with one of their reps about the problem and explained that it seemed to be a problem with the rail that connects the extension piece with the main fence. Without any further inquiry and without asking, they mailed me a second fence, which, surprise surprise, was no different than the first. I bought a big fender washer and installed that and it seemed to help a little. The second or third time I used it I noticed it was slipping out of square, and ended up ruining a couple of workpieces. That's when I figured out that the handle screw is the only thing holding the protractor head tight, no detents. Even cranking down on the handle wasn't enough to hold it square when cutting anything but small pieces. Finally, I noticed that the flip stop, which they seem to be so proud of, had cracked right down the middle. I contacted them again through the "contact us" link on their website and never heard another word from them. @@Article15Angling
I can personally attest to Woodpeckers' customer service as a nobody. They priority mailed a replacement when a square I bought was bent in shipping, and it was doubly boxed and sent out same day. No questions asked, no need to end the old back. Obviously, you're paying for this service, but it's comforting to work with a company that always stands behind the product.
This seems like a very good example of how a company needs to handle a product problem. Something a certain company should take notes on. Interesting video as always.
Marc. I massively appreciate you efforts to call out and disclose bias. It's an honest approach that is hard to find on the interwebs these days. I personally come here because I greatly value your opinion because I've come to trust and respect it. I'm a hobbyist when I have the time, you are someone who has committed his life to the craft. Will you and I always agree? Nope, but I'm a grown ass adult that can observe and make my own decisions. Thank you, sir!
I purchased the Exact 90 because it answered a problem I was having. I found it to be rugged and reliable. Since I cut a lot of right angles this miter gauge is my go to gauge. I'm glad I bought it. I have never regretted purchasing WP products.
I love the idea of the flop stop, but right now it's still feels like a v1 version. You have to have just the right boards, cuts, and distance off the table. Woodpeckers iterates, so I wouldn't be surprised to see a tweak.
@@kyleolson8977 I have this tool and the Flop Stop. There is really no limitation that I have seen so far. It can be placed anywhere along the fence and the size of the board has to be narrower than the length of the miter/guide bar. I don't see any issues with the Flop Stop. BUT the flip stop has an issue, I mentioned that above.
Thanks Marc. This is a very nice tool, but not a $329 tool. I'm all for paying good money for high quality tools (I own a ton of dubuque bar clamps, bessey revos, festool tracksaw, etc.), and even love a lot of woodpecker's other tools (their 641 and 1281 squares), but this one is priced prohibitively. This is $200, tops.
100% agree. My 90 degree setup... I use my original (cheap) saw miter gauge I setup to exactly 90 with a simple sacrificial/replaceable 3/4" plywood strip. I never change it and "made" it fit into my miter slot with no slop. For everything else, I use my expensive miter gauge.
The value is in the person who buys it. I also belive the market will adjust the price, but like any other company they have figured machining time and materials cost as r&d, there is a reason it priced the way it is. You have to figure raw materials cost Machining time and what did the cost of the tools cost to buy as well as labor cost, then everything has to go get anodised red, not just any red but woodpeckers red. We did parts for the mitilary they had to be a certain green if the parts didn't match the right green they got rejected. The rest of the part was perfect. The color was off. Rejected. Funny thing about all that, these parts held explosive charges at the end of the day they were blowen up. How many woodpeckers tools are not sold but scraped becuse they are not the same color red? The woodpeckers tools will be in your shop for years many people will see them. The owner of woodpeckers is demanding of qulity, he won't ship out bad stuff and will cover it if it is defective. His name or company name is on it. So you have to ask whats the scrap rate becuse for whatever reason not everything made is sold.
@@bobbg9041 I mean, this is literally a one trick pony. You can buy a nice runner from incra or even woodpeckers, and a scrap of aluminum from mcmaster, any metal supplier, or even amazon and put together something just as accurate while saving a boatload of cash relative to materials+time+effort to make something very similar. Again, I'm not against paying good money for good tools; I have several festool sanders, a TS 55 and a CT Midi I; but the value needs to be there. A tool asking a high price needs to earn that high price, not coast by on a name brand.
After watching your miter gauge review I ended up buying the Incra 1000SE. It was more than I wanted to spend but I’m happy with it as a weekend warrior that just builds stuff for the house
The velocity of Woodpeckers' innovation is pretty amazing to me. The get a lot of points in my book for simply trying things. I admit to being frustrated when a "one time" tool doesn't get a second run or put into permanent production.
I own one. It arrived a few weeks ago. I like it, for what it is. But, I don't think it's worth the cost. It's supposed to be "calibrated for square at the factory", mine was quite a bit out (relatively speaking). The extension is fairly loose in the main fence - poorly sized, like they just got "close" with the extrusion sizes readily available and went with that. I really like the Flop Stop. Would I buy this again? Probably not at this price point - after $90 shipping (cheapest option) and customs/duties to Canada, this was almost $500. 😵
Hello @The Wood Whisperer; It is an excellent review. Here are reasons for my purchase: 1. It does one thing and one thing well. 2. It is tremendously high quality, well built and will last forever aka lifetime deal. 3. It is made in U.S.A. 4. Woodpeckers has an unbelievable customer support department which nobody can come close. 5. It is extremely pleasant to use the tool rather than fighting it. 6. Pay now or pay more later. 7. It is a complete dream. 8. It will bring back your youth and force you to remember amiable whey you were young. 9. You made it, have earned it and now go spend it.
I own a handful of Woodpeckers layout tools and used their t-tracks in a few projects. No issues with anything I've bought...other than explaining to my wife why I think their tools are worth the cost. However, I can't justify the cost of some of their innovations--such as this tool. BUT, like others have said, IF money wasn't a factor, I'd own way more Woodpeckers products. I love that they are made in the USA and I do think they are well made and of very high quality. Thanks for the review!
I had a 12" saw with sliding table & fixed 90 degree gauge for over 25 years. I did most mitre cuts on a drop saw. I now have a sawstop with sliding table it rarely moves from 90 degrees. I still use the drop saw. I'm lucky in that I have access to a CNC router via an Australian organisation called the men's shed & can cut "templates" that I can place against the fence for precise angles. If a wanted say 11.25 it's spot on using the CNC. I can see this gauge being useful for a lot of people.
I love this! I bought this as soon as it hit my email. I rarely do anything other than 90s and I am one of those who struggle with a sled. Worth all the money for me and I know my cross cuts are perfect.
Great review! Thanks for posting it. Like many others, I think the WP tools are fantastic, but much too expensive for the level of woodworking that I do (although there are some red tools in my shop). I had the good fortune of having a machinist for a dad, who made me several fixed angle miter gauges with zero slop and dead-on angles. They are my go-to for common angles, and an Incra 1000HD for others. I have to rig a flop stop for mine!
I've acquired a number of red tools over the last three years while building all of the cabinets for our kitchen remodel. When I got the emails about this my reaction was "meh - good idea but too pricey." Looking at my list of follow on projects after the kitchen is finished, I've got literally hundreds of 90's to cut, some of them on panels. After watching your mitre gauge "shootout" and this video, my next stop is the Woodpeckers website to order this. Thanks Marc!
You nailed it on the reasons why I ended up swallowing the cost and buying one of these months ago. The panel cutting capacity along with the dead on calibration means I don't have to build a special panel cutting sled for projects, my cross cut sled can now be relegated to dado cuts, and I don't have to keep fiddling with my miter bar every few cuts to ensure it's still cutting 90º. Certainly not for everyone, but if you have the need its a homerun.
I can say I have received exactly the same treatment from woodpeckers. I had a delve square that was a little off 90, and they shipped me a new one not questions asked. In the package it also had a hand written note that it was double checked for 90 before shipping.
I was unaware of this before seeing this video. I was skeptical. I loved your review and what you showed us. You nailed the reasons it exists (vs crosscut sled, etc). I'm ordering one. Thank you. This is exactly what I need 99% of the time, and without giving up 1/2 - 3/4 of an inch for the bed of a crosscut sled.
Although I would never pay that price for something that did only one angle, have to admit there are aspects of it that are great ideas. I would LOVE if Incra would sell a longer miter bar for my 1000SE. Also, that flop stop thingy is a cool added feature. I would assume those nylon bushings can be replaced and the parts would be available. Not the "what, only 90° - worthless" thought I first had when seeing this product. Still, gotta win the lottery first. Thanks for a very informative video.
Excellent review, Marc! You’re absolutely right, it’s not for everyone but, this absolutely ticked all of the boxes for me, and thus, was worth the cost! It was nice review to watch and I’m glad to see Woodpeckers quality control step up to address the issue you had with the miter bar. - Seth
Good review, Marc. I liked that you pointed out that this is, from a point of view, a sled-less crosscut sled. I'd be interested in seeing you perform a 5-cut test on that to see how it does. Also, there's a headless figurine on your display wall... ? I believe I speak for all of us here by asking what the deal is with that.
Interesting idea and something I would potentially purchase. One question I had though is will those nylon bars wear over time and get loose. At the price they are asking it needs to be a lifetime tool.
Woodpecker’s customer service is excellent I’ve had a couple issues with things I got from them and they sent replacements out super fast no questions and I’m not even world famous 😉😁
Great video. I JUMPED on this product right when it was announced because of my frustrations of Incra 5000 going out of square quite frequently. Not getting rid of the Incra... but this is for sure my go-to for 90 cuts now
Woodpeckers is to woodworkers as what a Birkin bag is to a woman. Insanely overpriced and definitely not worth it. But its fannnccyyyyyy. And I say this as a guy with a shop full of lie nielsen, veritas, and starrett. I'll pay for quality tools everyday of the week, but I've found that Woodpeckers is just unnecessarily expensive. I feel like that's their business model. People feel like they're getting something better when paying more.
I agree, and that is my long term goal. Which is why I am not going to spend much on interim solutions. A shop built sled is good enough for me. Though I see the appeal of the product, and it will undoubtedly be the right solution for some.
Nice review as always! I have sent one of my guys an email at Woodpeckers asking him if the Flop Stop might be compatible with other miter gauges. I own the anchor 1000 HD and it looks like it might work with that. It might also work with my Kreg miter gauge or any miter gauge that has a TTrack on top. At the moment, Woodpeckers does not offer the Flop Stop as a standalone item, but if it works with other gauges, I think they should. I also recently bought the Woodpecker‘s Stealth Stop Miter Gauge which will not work with the Flop Stop. However that is also a nice miter gauge. I wasn’t considering that kind of money for the Exact 90, but you made some good points which are valuable. The fact that this thing is so effective in working with panels makes it very appealing to me and I may very well consider getting one. The longer bar, the two T-slot nuts, the miter slot springs and the flop stop are all great ideas.
Perfect summary of all Woodpeckers products. They are over-engineered and precisely built, and you are going to pay for that. I've never bought a Woodpeckers tool that I've regretted, but a lot of their tools are out of my price range. I would love to have the income to afford the Exact-90, but it's too much for a one trick pony. Your review DID make it tempting though, Marc!
I only have a couple of Woodpeckers products, I like them and think the money was well spent. I like this product but the stainless steel squares are ahead of it on the wish list. Thanks for circling around and publishing this video.
I completely agree with you perspective on Woodpeckers products. Their prices are pretty crazy, but the bar for quality they hold themselves too is also pretty amazing. And their niche solutions tend to be pretty amazing as well.
Great solution to the bulkiness and calibration issues of a crosscut sled, has my attention thank you Marc for all you do otherwise I would have never known as the price point alone would have otherwise have been a deterrent.
Like others who've already commented, I really appreciate & enjoy the innovation as well as the problem-solving aspects that Woodpeckers employs into their offerings. Speaking for myself, I don't mind paying premium money for a premium American made tool that's designed to last a lifetime especially considering that as a long time professional I rely on these tools for their inherent accuracy & long-term cost savings in labor. My personal gripe is regarding not only Woodpeckers but many other hand tool companies & the amount of aluminum that is present in more & more current offerings. Aluminum is great for extruded fences & the like but is absolutely horrible for any hand tools deemed for high accuracy. Yes, it saves on costs & is good considering rust prevention but it also damages very easily turning your $300 tool into expensive paperweights.
I was an early adopter of this tool. The flop stop was not available when I ordered but luckily Woodpeckers included it when they shipped my unit. Good for them. BUT there is an inherent design issue with the flip stop. Check it for yourself. If you are using the sacrificial fence you move the flip stop to the front grove vs. the back groove. In that position it is some what difficult to "see" and set to the length that you want with it in the down position. You have to index it agains the small 1/16" marking on the front edge of the rule/fence. The easy solution is to raise the stop, flip it up, and then the stop rests across the entire rule/fence. And this is where the issue comes into play. When you flip the stop up it slightly moves closer to the blade, about 1/32". Flip it down and it moves away from the blade, about 1/32". So don't adjust the stop unless it is in the down position. Why does it do this? The flip is attached to a threaded rod that screws in and out when you move the stop up and down. Woodpecker was made aware but was not willing to make a change. I have an Incra 1000HD and I added the longer telescoping fence so that it's capacity is basically the same as this one. But the plastic rules tend to move and more than a few times this has caused problems for me. This Exact 90 should basically never need to be recalibrated once set up for a partucular saw. The Incra flip stop has to be recalibrated every time you adjust for increments less the 1/32".
With regard to the double washers keeping the miter bar in the track...went out to the shop and checked my Incra gauges, then researched a few other brands online. What I've seen thus far does indeed appear to confirm that the industry-standard practice is: just the tip.
Great video, as always, Marc! I love the extended miter bar, but I think I would rather have something with some more capabilities than this offers, though. Thanks for all you do for our community!
Isn't that always the case though? :) Goes for me too! Bridge City / Woodpeckers for layout, Lie Nielsen hand tools, Festool powertools and Felder group stationary machines. If only they didn't cost so much! :D
@@oliphauntsneverlie6227 I didn't say that it was overpriced. Given the obvious quality of the materials and construction, and given the low volume production run, Woodpeckers may not be making much money on these things. But, even if they are, that wouldn't make their price unfair. If it represents a good value for you and your shop, buy it. If not, buy or make something else. Permit an analogy. I used to wear a suit everyday to work. That meant I needed to have at least three serviceable suits and the shirts, ties, and shoes that went with them. Over the years, I bought a lot of suits, shirts, and ties. If money had been no object, I would have had my suits hand-tailored for me. Some of the men I worked with had such custom made suits. Believe me, they were nicer than what I wore. But, money was always, and still is, a consideration. So, most of my suits came from JC Penney. I didn't begrudge the tailors in my town the price of their labor and fabric; nor do I begrudge Woodpeckers the price of their tools. JC Penney suits served my needs and I have reasonable substitutes for Woodpeckers products. But, gosh, those tools sure are nice!
I just bought one of these (on sale). It was not calibrated correctly and I was having a really hard time getting a square cut, until I removed the sacrificial fence. After that it was easy. That extra fence is not of uniform thickness which was messing up my measurements. I'll re-examine that at a future date.
Is there any reason why you wouldn't want to flip the miter gauge backwards and gain even more depth of cut / max board width? Seems like you could crosscut a full 4x8 sheet given some support in front.
Something I rarely see talked about when it comes to miter guages is the ability to convert them into crosscut sleds. You can easily screw a 1/4 sheet of 3/4" plywood to this to make it more stable and functional. In that regard, it makes this a very attractive option. Once you add the plywood, you can turn it into a super Cross cut sled with t-tracks and hold downs that have the ability to cut 45's.
I bought one of these because I felt like my incra 5000HD sled was too heave to pull out for a couple of cuts, and I was avoiding using it. The flop stop really sold me on it. I will say, though, that using the flop stop on a 23.25" wide panel can be tricky. You have to engage the flop stop before backing the panel up, and if your saw blade is up, you wont be able to position your panel for the cut. To overcome that, when I need to cut a very wide panel using the length stop and flop stop: 1. Lower blade all the way 2. Set panel against length stop. 3. Engage flop stop securely 4. Pull panel back to clear blade. 5. Raise the blade to cutting height. 6. Cut the panel to length.
I ordered mine the week the preorder was announced. So far, I find it a bit harder to slide through the slot on my previous generation Unisaw. BUT, for doing quick cuts on shelves, that flop spot and taking your time on the cut rocks compared to pulling out the track saw! I put this purchase right there with the Domino, more expensive than what you to spend, BUT, when the time comes to use it, dang-it it works well. BTW, loved the opening!
And I've got to add, Woodpeckers, all but on purchase from them, I've see huge value. I dislike the $$$ spent, but for hobbies stuffs, time is still important. Their stuff is well designed, and does what they say it does.
Thanks for the review. Woodpecker makes fine tools. However, IMO some assy, some issues, it's too expensive. I use a sled so the money would be used elsewhere.
Seems like the biggest feature is the longer miter bar and of course you would want a table with t style tracks to hold it down.... Hmmm do you think we will get upgrade replacements for all the other systems? That would be my preference. I can do without the duplication in tools so I never have to twist a few knobs.
As a professional cabinet maker, I’ve found the Woodpecker line of tools to be quality, well designed, and expensive. With that said I’m a firm believer in “you get what you pay for”! I do purchase the ones that suit my needs. What I also like is that they are made in America, and are made from billet aluminum when other companies are using plastics and composites. One product I purchased was the coping sled, when it came out several years ago. It worked great and did so as expected. My only gripe with it was the base was made from HDPE, and would bend when you allowed too much clamping pressure. The result was some bad joints! To Woodpeckers credit, they redesigned it using an aluminum base. I like the fact they are willing to take a second look at a product trying to improve their tools. Every time they come out with a new “One Tine” tool, it’s worth a look. I wish their introductory pricing was better. Mark, I enjoy your videos! Keep up the great work and I appreciate your honest opinions.
Nice review, Marc. I have a soft spot for Woodpecker products and have many of their pieces. I saw this gauge when it came out and was impressed, but then equally depressed when I saw the price tag. Some of their products really hit the mark when seeing the demos, but the price-points are the make/break in determining if it makes it into my shop. (Real CPT Obvious statement thrown in for free) But back to your video, I love how you compared it's "one-trick pony" purpose to the piece that everyone DOES build from the start....a TS sled~! That was great~!!
Sometimes getting my Incra 5000 off the wall and to the saw to make one cut is frustrating (it’s bulky) , yet another reason to have a tool like this. Although, I don’t think I’ll run out and buy it today. Too many other tools on my list first. Plus, can it be switched to either side of the blade? Once the 5000 is set up, it not really capable of that.
Thanks for this. I'm going to order one that fills a need I have perfectly. I have 30 days after I recieve it to see if it works for my Jet 10". I'll let you know.
Eh, any enthusiast community is like that. Guitar players with a wall if guitars who play once a week, people who modify their Jeeps but never go off road, etc.
OMG you nailed it! I love tools, all tools. Doesn’t matter if I’m setting up my guitar, building amps, woodworking or doing something Tommy side-by-side. Wow! I need another tool for that job! 😂
This is a very impressive tool. It may not be for my home (not that I couldn't use one, LOL), but if I had a business where I needed to cross-cut panels, it would pay for itself in a few cuts. Great review! Thank you again. I'm not in a market for a miter gauge, but you impressed me enough to catch and hold my attention in these reviews. Keep up the good work, Oh, and get something nice for that wife of yours for putting up with your purchases ;).
Hello, I saw the video, I've been your subscriber for several years, at least 7 years, and I ask a question, wouldn't it be cheaper to make a table saw sled if it only cuts at 90º, for these features I think this tool is very expensive. As you mentioned at the end of the video that it would be the 1st construction to make a cross-cut sled and I agree and within two weeks I will publish a video of two sleds that I made one of 90º cuts and the other from various angles because here in Portugal there are no accessory stores for carpentry machines only online, we are not as easy to acquire tools as in the USA and that is why I have learned many techniques and jigs from you and this has helped me, I have few videos but they show the evolution Over the years, I know it's written and spoken in Portuguese but you can tell. My main occupation is Tourist Bus Driver and Carpentry has been a hobby these last 7 years and sooner or later it will be my main activity if God wills it. I thank you in advance for all the techniques I learned from you and for the attention given to this comment, I only wish that God Bless you. Strong hug from Portugal.
I bought the new Woodpeckers Stealthstop miter gauge, and I can only give it a MEH, rating. The plus is that for $129 the miter fence with the stop seems to work ok. There is a sacrificial end available but was not included. My cons are that the spring fittings on the miter bar can't be adjusted, and are a bit too tight. The spring loaded knob on the miter gauge for positive stop was also a bit cumbersome. You have to hold it down while you tighten the adjustment knob. My last con is that it wasn't 90 degrees out of the package. In Woodpeckers defense of this there was a disclaimer in their ad that it could need adjusting. After unpacking it, setting it up, and making a couple of cuts, it got put in a drawer and I went back to my Incra V120.
Great video Marc! Love the recent deep dives into all things miter fency. The question was asked "dunno if Woodpeckers customer service will be as good when the average person call ... ". Speaking as an average person, not in any business relationship with them at all, I can confirm their customer service is awesome. I had an issue with an order, not so much a product defect really, but more of an order gone awry because of a malfunction on their website. They were fantastic, got me fixed up better than I thought possible. Fantastic really. Only downside was that, as a result of their great service, I ended up buying more stuff from them... a lot more. I hate it when that happens.
Have one. Love it. Don’t care about the price. I wanted a simple, smallish, lightweight gauge for quick cross cuts. I have the fancy incra, as well as the sled 5000. I have a tool addiction, for sure.
I haven’t watched your tablesaw setup in a long time… did you use woodpeckers dial indicator for setting the miter slot to the blade? I use a flat plate on the arbor and the dial indicator and get the saws 100% perfect every time.
Marc, I got one recently, although I didn't spend nearly as much as you did, and it's the bee's knees. I seldom do miter cuts at the table saw so it's worth it. BTW, I also have the Incra 50000 for I when I need an angle. Best of both worlds.
About that sticky screw: if you want some machine oil that doesn’t stain things and doesn’t smell bad, get some sewing machine oil (“Lily white”) or better still superlube, which is formulated to be food safe for use in maintaining bakery equipment and the like and lasts longer than the sewing machine stuff.
What I noticed is that it will self-adjust to the slots of any table saw. That means it will fit either side of the blade on my older Unisaw which are slightly different widths due to wear over years of use. Something my Incra gage will not do.
I jumped on this in their prerelease ...yesssss its expensive. But the prerelease price made it "within my grasp". I've always wondered about Woodpeckers products, and always ended up shaking my head NOOOOOoooooo!...just too much money for me, but this one I jumped on. And so far, it works...I love the extension bar...the flop/stop....meh. So we'll see how well its lasts in use. Nice directions, nice boxing, heavy and solid. miter and miter bar. The automatic table saw slot adjustment so far works.
Looks like a quality product. The flop stop is a brilliant idea. William Ng's five cut method to really dial in the 90 degrees might be more accurate than pushing a square up against the saw blade?? Suppose it depends how accurate/pedantic you want to be.
I would love this thing because I've never been able to keep a crosscut sled accurate. Over time, my fence always ends up bowing. I am the target market, as you suggested, for this tool... but that price is just out of my range for the limited functionality it provides.
That's interesting. I thought about that too but realized that virtually every cross cut I do on a table saw was 90 degrees and I had a hard time keeping mine at 90.
Custom Cabinet makers with smaller floorplan shops will love that. After you’ve cut your sheet goods down into smaller sizes, that first 90 degree cut needed is such a pain if it’s off by more than a tiny bit. Having something that can lock in to that measurement and just always be there every single time you use it means you waste less on stupid errors.
In my opinion quality is everything. Price is secondary. I am so thankful that you are willing to review things on there quality and put the price as a side note.
I have a version of that! It is my original miter gauge that came with the saw (vintage 1969 Craftsman 113)... I adapted the rail to fit the slot perfectly (now adjustable), locked it down to exactly 90 degrees and added an extra-long extended fence & stop block. Total cost...
Have a number of Woodpecker tools. I purchased this "Exact 90" miter gauge. It worked consistently on material under 12 inches. But between 12 and 24 inches, was unreliable in my new Laguna Fusion 2 table saw. I calibrated the gauge with my saw blade to ensure 90 degrees. I used the flop stop (that I love), used both gauge washers, and used it with and without the sacrifical fence. In all cases, I could not get a consistent 90 degree cut for 12-24 inch boards..
I emailed the issues to Woodpeckers, telling them that I suspected a weak leaf spring in the first two slots. I was called a week later by a machinist. He located a Fusion two table, made measurements, and milled me a new miter bar with tighter leaf springs. Sent to me as a warranty issue (no cost), and the new bar is perfect for all board lengths. Never had this terrific experience with any tool company. Just became a lifetime fan! Customer focus extraordinaire!
I love their customer service. You don't need them often, but when you do they knock it out of the park!
My experience was the complete opposite. I bought their regular miter gauge and, when I got it, I found that the fence extension didn't line up with the main fence. I communicated with one of their reps about the problem and explained that it seemed to be a problem with the rail that connects the extension piece with the main fence. Without any further inquiry and without asking, they mailed me a second fence, which, surprise surprise, was no different than the first. I bought a big fender washer and installed that and it seemed to help a little. The second or third time I used it I noticed it was slipping out of square, and ended up ruining a couple of workpieces. That's when I figured out that the handle screw is the only thing holding the protractor head tight, no detents. Even cranking down on the handle wasn't enough to hold it square when cutting anything but small pieces. Finally, I noticed that the flip stop, which they seem to be so proud of, had cracked right down the middle. I contacted them again through the "contact us" link on their website and never heard another word from them. @@Article15Angling
I can personally attest to Woodpeckers' customer service as a nobody. They priority mailed a replacement when a square I bought was bent in shipping, and it was doubly boxed and sent out same day. No questions asked, no need to end the old back. Obviously, you're paying for this service, but it's comforting to work with a company that always stands behind the product.
This seems like a very good example of how a company needs to handle a product problem. Something a certain company should take notes on. Interesting video as always.
Is this a crossover between my hobbies or was there recently a woodworking company with customer service issues?
@@davido1490 it was a comment on Harvey's reaction to the issues discovered in the previous mitre gauge video 😅
Marc. I massively appreciate you efforts to call out and disclose bias. It's an honest approach that is hard to find on the interwebs these days.
I personally come here because I greatly value your opinion because I've come to trust and respect it. I'm a hobbyist when I have the time, you are someone who has committed his life to the craft. Will you and I always agree? Nope, but I'm a grown ass adult that can observe and make my own decisions.
Thank you, sir!
I purchased the Exact 90 because it answered a problem I was having. I found it to be rugged and reliable. Since I cut a lot of right angles this miter gauge is my go to gauge. I'm glad I bought it. I have never regretted purchasing WP products.
That flop stop is genius!
Yea, Going to have to try to make something like that for my Incra.
I love the idea of the flop stop, but right now it's still feels like a v1 version. You have to have just the right boards, cuts, and distance off the table. Woodpeckers iterates, so I wouldn't be surprised to see a tweak.
clamp a block on top? seems to work for me. but this looks great
@@kyleolson8977 I have this tool and the Flop Stop. There is really no limitation that I have seen so far. It can be placed anywhere along the fence and the size of the board has to be narrower than the length of the miter/guide bar. I don't see any issues with the Flop Stop. BUT the flip stop has an issue, I mentioned that above.
Thanks Marc. This is a very nice tool, but not a $329 tool. I'm all for paying good money for high quality tools (I own a ton of dubuque bar clamps, bessey revos, festool tracksaw, etc.), and even love a lot of woodpecker's other tools (their 641 and 1281 squares), but this one is priced prohibitively. This is $200, tops.
Yeah, they are charging for their name at this point.
100% agree. My 90 degree setup... I use my original (cheap) saw miter gauge I setup to exactly 90 with a simple sacrificial/replaceable 3/4" plywood strip. I never change it and "made" it fit into my miter slot with no slop. For everything else, I use my expensive miter gauge.
The value is in the person who buys it.
I also belive the market will adjust the price, but like any other company they have figured machining time and materials cost as r&d, there is a reason it priced the way it is.
You have to figure raw materials cost
Machining time and what did the cost of the tools cost to buy as well as labor cost, then everything has to go get anodised red, not just any red but woodpeckers red.
We did parts for the mitilary they had to be a certain green if the parts didn't match the right green they got rejected.
The rest of the part was perfect. The color was off. Rejected. Funny thing about all that, these parts held explosive charges at the end of the day they were blowen up.
How many woodpeckers tools are not sold but scraped becuse they are not the same color red?
The woodpeckers tools will be in your shop for years many people will see them. The owner of woodpeckers is demanding of qulity, he won't ship out bad stuff and will cover it if it is defective. His name or company name is on it. So you have to ask whats the scrap rate becuse for whatever reason not everything made is sold.
@@bobbg9041 I mean, this is literally a one trick pony. You can buy a nice runner from incra or even woodpeckers, and a scrap of aluminum from mcmaster, any metal supplier, or even amazon and put together something just as accurate while saving a boatload of cash relative to materials+time+effort to make something very similar.
Again, I'm not against paying good money for good tools; I have several festool sanders, a TS 55 and a CT Midi I; but the value needs to be there. A tool asking a high price needs to earn that high price, not coast by on a name brand.
After watching your miter gauge review I ended up buying the Incra 1000SE. It was more than I wanted to spend but I’m happy with it as a weekend warrior that just builds stuff for the house
The velocity of Woodpeckers' innovation is pretty amazing to me. The get a lot of points in my book for simply trying things. I admit to being frustrated when a "one time" tool doesn't get a second run or put into permanent production.
I love mine. A lot. It's a perfect 90 degree cut. The supports are really long and the rail is the longest I have seen. It's extremely well built.
I own one. It arrived a few weeks ago. I like it, for what it is. But, I don't think it's worth the cost. It's supposed to be "calibrated for square at the factory", mine was quite a bit out (relatively speaking). The extension is fairly loose in the main fence - poorly sized, like they just got "close" with the extrusion sizes readily available and went with that. I really like the Flop Stop. Would I buy this again? Probably not at this price point - after $90 shipping (cheapest option) and customs/duties to Canada, this was almost $500. 😵
The mitre gauge that came with my table saw did only one angle - the wrong one. I bought an Incra and it is superb.
the addition of the TV behind you in place of the Powermatic sign is fantastic, for the record lol
Hello @The Wood Whisperer;
It is an excellent review.
Here are reasons for my purchase:
1. It does one thing and one thing well.
2. It is tremendously high quality, well built and will last forever aka lifetime deal.
3. It is made in U.S.A.
4. Woodpeckers has an unbelievable customer support department which nobody can come close.
5. It is extremely pleasant to use the tool rather than fighting it.
6. Pay now or pay more later.
7. It is a complete dream.
8. It will bring back your youth and force you to remember amiable whey you were young.
9. You made it, have earned it and now go spend it.
I have one and am a bit torn on whether it's worth it.
I expected the 5 cut method. 😉
Thanks for the video. 😎
I own a handful of Woodpeckers layout tools and used their t-tracks in a few projects. No issues with anything I've bought...other than explaining to my wife why I think their tools are worth the cost. However, I can't justify the cost of some of their innovations--such as this tool. BUT, like others have said, IF money wasn't a factor, I'd own way more Woodpeckers products. I love that they are made in the USA and I do think they are well made and of very high quality.
Thanks for the review!
I had a 12" saw with sliding table & fixed 90 degree gauge for over 25 years. I did most mitre cuts on a drop saw. I now have a sawstop with sliding table it rarely moves from 90 degrees. I still use the drop saw. I'm lucky in that I have access to a CNC router via an Australian organisation called the men's shed & can cut "templates" that I can place against the fence for precise angles. If a wanted say 11.25 it's spot on using the CNC. I can see this gauge being useful for a lot of people.
I love this! I bought this as soon as it hit my email. I rarely do anything other than 90s and I am one of those who struggle with a sled. Worth all the money for me and I know my cross cuts are perfect.
Woodpeckers customer service is great. Had the plastic hex-scale stop brake, Woodpeckers sent me replacement quickly and they sent me two more. 😊
Great review! Thanks for posting it. Like many others, I think the WP tools are fantastic, but much too expensive for the level of woodworking that I do (although there are some red tools in my shop). I had the good fortune of having a machinist for a dad, who made me several fixed angle miter gauges with zero slop and dead-on angles. They are my go-to for common angles, and an Incra 1000HD for others. I have to rig a flop stop for mine!
I've acquired a number of red tools over the last three years while building all of the cabinets for our kitchen remodel. When I got the emails about this my reaction was "meh - good idea but too pricey."
Looking at my list of follow on projects after the kitchen is finished, I've got literally hundreds of 90's to cut, some of them on panels.
After watching your mitre gauge "shootout" and this video, my next stop is the Woodpeckers website to order this.
Thanks Marc!
Good review Marc. Just want to say I appreciate the opening. A great man learns and grows.
After that miter gauge video drama, the woodpecker CEO himself probably packaged that replacement miter bar 😂
He doesn't want to feel like Harvey or Kreg 😂😂
You nailed it on the reasons why I ended up swallowing the cost and buying one of these months ago. The panel cutting capacity along with the dead on calibration means I don't have to build a special panel cutting sled for projects, my cross cut sled can now be relegated to dado cuts, and I don't have to keep fiddling with my miter bar every few cuts to ensure it's still cutting 90º. Certainly not for everyone, but if you have the need its a homerun.
I can say I have received exactly the same treatment from woodpeckers. I had a delve square that was a little off 90, and they shipped me a new one not questions asked. In the package it also had a hand written note that it was double checked for 90 before shipping.
Have you checked its accuracy with the 5 cut test?
My experience with Woodpeckers is premium price, premium product, premium service.
I was unaware of this before seeing this video. I was skeptical. I loved your review and what you showed us. You nailed the reasons it exists (vs crosscut sled, etc). I'm ordering one. Thank you. This is exactly what I need 99% of the time, and without giving up 1/2 - 3/4 of an inch for the bed of a crosscut sled.
Chris, what is the widest panel you can cut ?
Although I would never pay that price for something that did only one angle, have to admit there are aspects of it that are great ideas. I would LOVE if Incra would sell a longer miter bar for my 1000SE. Also, that flop stop thingy is a cool added feature. I would assume those nylon bushings can be replaced and the parts would be available. Not the "what, only 90° - worthless" thought I first had when seeing this product. Still, gotta win the lottery first. Thanks for a very informative video.
From what I see, if it says woodpeckers on it, I can't afford it, or won't spend that kind of hard earned $$$$.
Excellent review, Marc!
You’re absolutely right, it’s not for everyone but, this absolutely ticked all of the boxes for me, and thus, was worth the cost!
It was nice review to watch and I’m glad to see Woodpeckers quality control step up to address the issue you had with the miter bar.
- Seth
Good review, Marc. I liked that you pointed out that this is, from a point of view, a sled-less crosscut sled. I'd be interested in seeing you perform a 5-cut test on that to see how it does. Also, there's a headless figurine on your display wall... ? I believe I speak for all of us here by asking what the deal is with that.
Interesting idea and something I would potentially purchase. One question I had though is will those nylon bars wear over time and get loose. At the price they are asking it needs to be a lifetime tool.
Woodpecker’s customer service is excellent I’ve had a couple issues with things I got from them and they sent replacements out super fast no questions and I’m not even world famous 😉😁
Great video. I JUMPED on this product right when it was announced because of my frustrations of Incra 5000 going out of square quite frequently. Not getting rid of the Incra... but this is for sure my go-to for 90 cuts now
I have one, but haven't used it much yet. It worked great right out of the box.
My main question. Does it have enough going for it that you’re going to keep it, or is it getting sold?
Don’t know yet……
That was my question also. Thanks for the answer.
Woodpeckers is to woodworkers as what a Birkin bag is to a woman. Insanely overpriced and definitely not worth it. But its fannnccyyyyyy.
And I say this as a guy with a shop full of lie nielsen, veritas, and starrett. I'll pay for quality tools everyday of the week, but I've found that Woodpeckers is just unnecessarily expensive. I feel like that's their business model. People feel like they're getting something better when paying more.
Now that you have a sawstop, you should get their sliding table thing. It looks like a awesome attachment if accurate
I agree, and that is my long term goal. Which is why I am not going to spend much on interim solutions. A shop built sled is good enough for me. Though I see the appeal of the product, and it will undoubtedly be the right solution for some.
Fantastic review. WP certainly it doesn’t make junk. If I ever won the lottery I’d have one very red wall in my shop.
Nice review as always! I have sent one of my guys an email at Woodpeckers asking him if the Flop Stop might be compatible with other miter gauges. I own the anchor 1000 HD and it looks like it might work with that. It might also work with my Kreg miter gauge or any miter gauge that has a TTrack on top. At the moment, Woodpeckers does not offer the Flop Stop as a standalone item, but if it works with other gauges, I think they should. I also recently bought the Woodpecker‘s Stealth Stop Miter Gauge which will not work with the Flop Stop. However that is also a nice miter gauge. I wasn’t considering that kind of money for the Exact 90, but you made some good points which are valuable. The fact that this thing is so effective in working with panels makes it very appealing to me and I may very well consider getting one. The longer bar, the two T-slot nuts, the miter slot springs and the flop stop are all great ideas.
Perfect summary of all Woodpeckers products. They are over-engineered and precisely built, and you are going to pay for that. I've never bought a Woodpeckers tool that I've regretted, but a lot of their tools are out of my price range. I would love to have the income to afford the Exact-90, but it's too much for a one trick pony. Your review DID make it tempting though, Marc!
Could you show storage solutions for the miter gauge. Tips on storing precision measuring equipments.
I only have a couple of Woodpeckers products, I like them and think the money was well spent.
I like this product but the stainless steel squares are ahead of it on the wish list.
Thanks for circling around and publishing this video.
I completely agree with you perspective on Woodpeckers products. Their prices are pretty crazy, but the bar for quality they hold themselves too is also pretty amazing. And their niche solutions tend to be pretty amazing as well.
Your review sold me... Just placed an order for 2 of them! One for me and another for a friend.
Great solution to the bulkiness and calibration issues of a crosscut sled, has my attention thank you Marc for all you do otherwise I would have never known as the price point alone would have otherwise have been a deterrent.
Pretty impressive tool indeed, Marc! 😃
Fantastic review!!!
Stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
Like others who've already commented, I really appreciate & enjoy the innovation as well as the problem-solving aspects that Woodpeckers employs into their offerings. Speaking for myself, I don't mind paying premium money for a premium American made tool that's designed to last a lifetime especially considering that as a long time professional I rely on these tools for their inherent accuracy & long-term cost savings in labor. My personal gripe is regarding not only Woodpeckers but many other hand tool companies & the amount of aluminum that is present in more & more current offerings. Aluminum is great for extruded fences & the like but is absolutely horrible for any hand tools deemed for high accuracy. Yes, it saves on costs & is good considering rust prevention but it also damages very easily turning your $300 tool into expensive paperweights.
I was an early adopter of this tool. The flop stop was not available when I ordered but luckily Woodpeckers included it when they shipped my unit. Good for them. BUT there is an inherent design issue with the flip stop. Check it for yourself. If you are using the sacrificial fence you move the flip stop to the front grove vs. the back groove. In that position it is some what difficult to "see" and set to the length that you want with it in the down position. You have to index it agains the small 1/16" marking on the front edge of the rule/fence. The easy solution is to raise the stop, flip it up, and then the stop rests across the entire rule/fence. And this is where the issue comes into play. When you flip the stop up it slightly moves closer to the blade, about 1/32". Flip it down and it moves away from the blade, about 1/32". So don't adjust the stop unless it is in the down position. Why does it do this? The flip is attached to a threaded rod that screws in and out when you move the stop up and down. Woodpecker was made aware but was not willing to make a change. I have an Incra 1000HD and I added the longer telescoping fence so that it's capacity is basically the same as this one. But the plastic rules tend to move and more than a few times this has caused problems for me. This Exact 90 should basically never need to be recalibrated once set up for a partucular saw. The Incra flip stop has to be recalibrated every time you adjust for increments less the 1/32".
With regard to the double washers keeping the miter bar in the track...went out to the shop and checked my Incra gauges, then researched a few other brands online. What I've seen thus far does indeed appear to confirm that the industry-standard practice is: just the tip.
Great video, as always, Marc! I love the extended miter bar, but I think I would rather have something with some more capabilities than this offers, though. Thanks for all you do for our community!
What is that T Track Aluminum Extrusion on your fence??
did you try the flop stop and flip stop on jessem? do they fit and work?
+1
Woodpeckers' tools are great. If price weren't a consideration, my shop would be full of them.
Isn't that always the case though? :) Goes for me too! Bridge City / Woodpeckers for layout, Lie Nielsen hand tools, Festool powertools and Felder group stationary machines. If only they didn't cost so much! :D
Agreed. This 90* miter is way overpriced.
@@oliphauntsneverlie6227 I didn't say that it was overpriced. Given the obvious quality of the materials and construction, and given the low volume production run, Woodpeckers may not be making much money on these things. But, even if they are, that wouldn't make their price unfair. If it represents a good value for you and your shop, buy it. If not, buy or make something else.
Permit an analogy. I used to wear a suit everyday to work. That meant I needed to have at least three serviceable suits and the shirts, ties, and shoes that went with them. Over the years, I bought a lot of suits, shirts, and ties. If money had been no object, I would have had my suits hand-tailored for me. Some of the men I worked with had such custom made suits. Believe me, they were nicer than what I wore. But, money was always, and still is, a consideration. So, most of my suits came from JC Penney.
I didn't begrudge the tailors in my town the price of their labor and fabric; nor do I begrudge Woodpeckers the price of their tools. JC Penney suits served my needs and I have reasonable substitutes for Woodpeckers products. But, gosh, those tools sure are nice!
I just bought one of these (on sale). It was not calibrated correctly and I was having a really hard time getting a square cut, until I removed the sacrificial fence. After that it was easy. That extra fence is not of uniform thickness which was messing up my measurements. I'll re-examine that at a future date.
That is very interesting. Most of my angled cut are made on my miter saw, so having a dedicated 90 degree would be nice. Now you got me thinking.
Totally worth it. Love mine
Is there any reason why you wouldn't want to flip the miter gauge backwards and gain even more depth of cut / max board width? Seems like you could crosscut a full 4x8 sheet given some support in front.
Something I rarely see talked about when it comes to miter guages is the ability to convert them into crosscut sleds. You can easily screw a 1/4 sheet of 3/4" plywood to this to make it more stable and functional. In that regard, it makes this a very attractive option. Once you add the plywood, you can turn it into a super Cross cut sled with t-tracks and hold downs that have the ability to cut 45's.
NIce point, this is an impressive miter guage.
For less money, about $180 you can get a Dubby crosscu8t sled that accurately sets up to cut miters.
I bought one of these because I felt like my incra 5000HD sled was too heave to pull out for a couple of cuts, and I was avoiding using it. The flop stop really sold me on it. I will say, though, that using the flop stop on a 23.25" wide panel can be tricky. You have to engage the flop stop before backing the panel up, and if your saw blade is up, you wont be able to position your panel for the cut.
To overcome that, when I need to cut a very wide panel using the length stop and flop stop:
1. Lower blade all the way
2. Set panel against length stop.
3. Engage flop stop securely
4. Pull panel back to clear blade.
5. Raise the blade to cutting height.
6. Cut the panel to length.
Wow this looks so much better than I expected. I hadn't even considered it until seeing your review
I ordered mine the week the preorder was announced.
So far, I find it a bit harder to slide through the slot on my previous generation Unisaw. BUT, for doing quick cuts on shelves, that flop spot and taking your time on the cut rocks compared to pulling out the track saw!
I put this purchase right there with the Domino, more expensive than what you to spend, BUT, when the time comes to use it, dang-it it works well.
BTW, loved the opening!
And I've got to add, Woodpeckers, all but on purchase from them, I've see huge value. I dislike the $$$ spent, but for hobbies stuffs, time is still important. Their stuff is well designed, and does what they say it does.
Great honest review. Although I am in the UK, I have to say I really like the quality and customer service you get with Woodpecker tools.
Marc I will buy one. What just sold me is the slight adjustment you made to align with the blade was so easy. 🔥 🤟👍
Woodpeckers stuff is always impressive, price and quality wise.
Also I'm so thankful for owning a European sliding table saw.
Thanks for the review. Woodpecker makes fine tools. However, IMO some assy, some issues, it's too expensive. I use a sled so the money would be used elsewhere.
Seems like the biggest feature is the longer miter bar and of course you would want a table with t style tracks to hold it down.... Hmmm do you think we will get upgrade replacements for all the other systems? That would be my preference. I can do without the duplication in tools so I never have to twist a few knobs.
As a professional cabinet maker, I’ve found the Woodpecker line of tools to be quality, well designed, and expensive. With that said I’m a firm believer in “you get what you pay for”! I do purchase the ones that suit my needs. What I also like is that they are made in America, and are made from billet aluminum when other companies are using plastics and composites. One product I purchased was the coping sled, when it came out several years ago. It worked great and did so as expected. My only gripe with it was the base was made from HDPE, and would bend when you allowed too much clamping pressure. The result was some bad joints! To Woodpeckers credit, they redesigned it using an aluminum base. I like the fact they are willing to take a second look at a product trying to improve their tools. Every time they come out with a new “One Tine” tool, it’s worth a look. I wish their introductory pricing was better. Mark, I enjoy your videos! Keep up the great work and I appreciate your honest opinions.
Nice review, Marc. I have a soft spot for Woodpecker products and have many of their pieces. I saw this gauge when it came out and was impressed, but then equally depressed when I saw the price tag. Some of their products really hit the mark when seeing the demos, but the price-points are the make/break in determining if it makes it into my shop. (Real CPT Obvious statement thrown in for free) But back to your video, I love how you compared it's "one-trick pony" purpose to the piece that everyone DOES build from the start....a TS sled~! That was great~!!
I have one of these squares and love it. Woodpeckers is always very responsive and helpful.
Sometimes getting my Incra 5000 off the wall and to the saw to make one cut is frustrating (it’s bulky) , yet another reason to have a tool like this. Although, I don’t think I’ll run out and buy it today. Too many other tools on my list first. Plus, can it be switched to either side of the blade? Once the 5000 is set up, it not really capable of that.
Thanks for this. I'm going to order one that fills a need I have perfectly. I have 30 days after I recieve it to see if it works for my Jet 10". I'll let you know.
I definitely see beauty in simplicity! Never even knew Woodpecker made these. thanks
As a machinist that got into woodworking. I find this community is more of tool collector than a woodworker at times.
Eh, any enthusiast community is like that. Guitar players with a wall if guitars who play once a week, people who modify their Jeeps but never go off road, etc.
@@necrojoe that’s true
We machinist are the same. How many lathe live centers do you have? How many mill collet sets? :)
OMG you nailed it! I love tools, all tools. Doesn’t matter if I’m setting up my guitar, building amps, woodworking or doing something Tommy side-by-side. Wow! I need another tool for that job! 😂
This is a very impressive tool. It may not be for my home (not that I couldn't use one, LOL), but if I had a business where I needed to cross-cut panels, it would pay for itself in a few cuts.
Great review! Thank you again. I'm not in a market for a miter gauge, but you impressed me enough to catch and hold my attention in these reviews.
Keep up the good work, Oh, and get something nice for that wife of yours for putting up with your purchases ;).
I've been waiting for this video! Cannot wait to get mine. Great review!
Hello, I saw the video, I've been your subscriber for several years, at least 7 years, and I ask a question, wouldn't it be cheaper to make a table saw sled if it only cuts at 90º, for these features I think this tool is very expensive.
As you mentioned at the end of the video that it would be the 1st construction to make a cross-cut sled and I agree and within two weeks I will publish a video of two sleds that I made one of 90º cuts and the other from various angles because here in Portugal there are no accessory stores for carpentry machines only online, we are not as easy to acquire tools as in the USA and that is why I have learned many techniques and jigs from you and this has helped me, I have few videos but they show the evolution Over the years, I know it's written and spoken in Portuguese but you can tell.
My main occupation is Tourist Bus Driver and Carpentry has been a hobby these last 7 years and sooner or later it will be my main activity if God wills it.
I thank you in advance for all the techniques I learned from you and for the attention given to this comment, I only wish that God Bless you.
Strong hug from Portugal.
I bought the new Woodpeckers Stealthstop miter gauge, and I can only give it a MEH, rating. The plus is that for $129 the miter fence with the stop seems to work ok. There is a sacrificial end available but was not included. My cons are that the spring fittings on the miter bar can't be adjusted, and are a bit too tight. The spring loaded knob on the miter gauge for positive stop was also a bit cumbersome. You have to hold it down while you tighten the adjustment knob. My last con is that it wasn't 90 degrees out of the package. In Woodpeckers defense of this there was a disclaimer in their ad that it could need adjusting.
After unpacking it, setting it up, and making a couple of cuts, it got put in a drawer and I went back to my Incra V120.
Great video Marc! Love the recent deep dives into all things miter fency.
The question was asked "dunno if Woodpeckers customer service will be as good when the average person call ... ". Speaking as an average person, not in any business relationship with them at all, I can confirm their customer service is awesome. I had an issue with an order, not so much a product defect really, but more of an order gone awry because of a malfunction on their website. They were fantastic, got me fixed up better than I thought possible. Fantastic really.
Only downside was that, as a result of their great service, I ended up buying more stuff from them... a lot more. I hate it when that happens.
Love it, not sure if I’ll be getting it, but I’m very tempted.
I want one! Great demo and review - thank you! Also, I too have had amazing experience with Woodpeckers customer service.
Have one. Love it. Don’t care about the price. I wanted a simple, smallish, lightweight gauge for quick cross cuts. I have the fancy incra, as well as the sled 5000. I have a tool addiction, for sure.
I haven’t watched your tablesaw setup in a long time… did you use woodpeckers dial indicator for setting the miter slot to the blade?
I use a flat plate on the arbor and the dial indicator and get the saws 100% perfect every time.
So I wonder, can you fit the Woodpecker’s miter bar onto the Jessum miter gauge?
Great review Marc. Thanks for sharing.
Any chance you will be reviewing woodpeckers new AUTOSCALE MITER SLED soon?
Marc, I got one recently, although I didn't spend nearly as much as you did, and it's the bee's knees. I seldom do miter cuts at the table saw so it's worth it. BTW, I also have the Incra 50000 for I when I need an angle. Best of both worlds.
Thanks Marc. Can you do a review on Woodpeckers Stealth Stop miter gauge for table saw?
Great video, very informative, as usual. Question, how wide can you go on the panel?
Always like your videos! Thank you. Do enjoy the new approach!
About that sticky screw: if you want some machine oil that doesn’t stain things and doesn’t smell bad, get some sewing machine oil (“Lily white”) or better still superlube, which is formulated to be food safe for use in maintaining bakery equipment and the like and lasts longer than the sewing machine stuff.
Great video. I already bought it but maybe I should have waited for the Stumpy Numbs rebuttal video. 😅
What I noticed is that it will self-adjust to the slots of any table saw. That means it will fit either side of the blade on my older Unisaw which are slightly different widths due to wear over years of use. Something my Incra gage will not do.
I jumped on this in their prerelease ...yesssss its expensive. But the prerelease price made it "within my grasp". I've always wondered about Woodpeckers products, and always ended up shaking my head NOOOOOoooooo!...just too much money for me, but this one I jumped on. And so far, it works...I love the extension bar...the flop/stop....meh. So we'll see how well its lasts in use. Nice directions, nice boxing, heavy and solid. miter and miter bar. The automatic table saw slot adjustment so far works.
Looks like a quality product. The flop stop is a brilliant idea. William Ng's five cut method to really dial in the 90 degrees might be more accurate than pushing a square up against the saw blade?? Suppose it depends how accurate/pedantic you want to be.
I would love this thing because I've never been able to keep a crosscut sled accurate. Over time, my fence always ends up bowing. I am the target market, as you suggested, for this tool... but that price is just out of my range for the limited functionality it provides.
That's interesting. I thought about that too but realized that virtually every cross cut I do on a table saw was 90 degrees and I had a hard time keeping mine at 90.
Have you looked at the Dubby by IN Line Industies? A sled that you can cut miters with.
@@11211lcb I have not. Thanks for the tip!
@@CheveeDodd The dubby comes in a right and left version. I have had both since about 2000.
@@11211lcb I saw that on their site. I would have a hard time choosing. Seems like both is the correct answer. 🙃
Custom Cabinet makers with smaller floorplan shops will love that. After you’ve cut your sheet goods down into smaller sizes, that first 90 degree cut needed is such a pain if it’s off by more than a tiny bit. Having something that can lock in to that measurement and just always be there every single time you use it means you waste less on stupid errors.
Ok, panel cutting aside. What are the benefits of this over a sled?
In my opinion quality is everything. Price is secondary. I am so thankful that you are willing to review things on there quality and put the price as a side note.
I have a version of that! It is my original miter gauge that came with the saw (vintage 1969 Craftsman 113)... I adapted the rail to fit the slot perfectly (now adjustable), locked it down to exactly 90 degrees and added an extra-long extended fence & stop block. Total cost...
Your reviews are amazing and detailed 👍👍 love to see you do woodpeckers new auto scale miter sled.