Pls miHoYo, just let us have a nice bEidou combo :( Edit: World Flipper is out, add me to friends with this ID 478827912242 ! Pre-register to World Flipper here: bit.ly/3yE5R34
there's a popular theory in the CN community stating the beidou combo is taken out because it will help push more people to pull for high constellation kojou sara & also the upcoming yae miko. It's done NOT because the beidoushogun combo would break the game balance or due to coding technical difficulties. its done purely because of profits. Mihoyo should have notified players before shogun's banner release and NOT changing the skill wording AFTER the banner. This is just borderline unethical imo. I was planning to use my double topup to get c2 raiden, but after this news dropped, i will not support mihoyo's behavior and wont spend a dime on raiden's banner. CN players are sueing mihoyo and sending complaints to their consumer protection agencies, hopefully it will make mihoyo think twice before pulling similar nasty move again in the future.
@@galacticraymond C2 Raiden ain't that strong don't waste your money, my C1 tao hits harder, electro is a shitty element, but the problem here is the new mechanic burst DMG, thanks to that weapons like skyward doesn't fully work on her or gladiator/bloodstained so I'd new characters have similar mechanics, older weapons will be obsolete
Guys, only commenting here and saying that Mihoyo needs to buff electro won't help anyone. Go in-game and use the "Feedback" feature and submit a ticket with customer service telling them to rework/buff electro. I already did my part. That's literally the only thing Mihoyo can do that will get Ei up there with the best characters. Do it.
Yo! This post should be spread around like wild fire. Theres people who spent money. Its like buying a sale item but not getting right quality of product. Ill volunteer. Gonna do it right now
If they gave electro characters like an atk speed boost rather than anemo, i think that would make the element much more effective, and makes it fit more into the idea of speed, efficiency, and energy recharge.
I've always wondered why this element doesn't just have cooldown reduction on skills and maybe burst. More damage, more energy, more reactions, seemed simple enough to me.
Absolutely would love an atk speed boost, but I still think we'd need more. It's so fitting though and would make Razor and maybe Keqing feel really nice.
i've thought of having each element's resonance be tied to an offensive stat/effect just like cryo/pyro/geo. electro resonance should be attack speed in addition to generating electro particles
They really should buff Electro as a whole in the next patch. The ones they gave previously felt like it's more for Anemo while Electro just gets liem 5% complimentary
1. I do hope that Raiden ult gets an update to make it more flexible and usable with Beidou 2. I also hope that electro characters and reactions gets buffed 3. The one that no one talks about. When Raiden enters a domain her resolve stacks are reset. When you complete the domain and try again, it resets. When doing story, it resets. Fix this pls!
For your first part. In beta, baal worked with beidou until her burst was changed to deal burst damage. After that beta players didn't notice or care. Check on official reddit. That's why it didn't work and I doubt they will change it.
@@aidenkz yeah but its causes so much disinformation because people say it worked in beta UNTIL they changed to deal burst damage. beta players didnt notice because Emblem of Severed Fate was a considerable buff. Now theres a conspiracy because they did because of Yae which is a catalyst user isnt confirmed gonna work well with raiden and should sell well. Dont forget that theres Lisa as well. Lisa, XQ works well with raiden because their ult functions differently than beidou. Because of this you guys are blowing out of proportion. This isnt Zhongli levels of drama in CN community.
Laughs in triple crowned Keqing =) Hope that this whole Raiden nonsense will contribute to our Queen getting the indirect buff she rightfully deserves.
@@Fluffy-cx3cr bruh I've both character maxed level and triple crowned keqing but don't trash Raiden, she's the sole reason electro is getting more attention than ever
Looking at it from a company standpoint, buffing Raiden/Electro or even simply making Beidou work with Raiden would boost sales as more skeptical meta-focused players will now have a reason to pull. Consumers are happy and the creators are happy, so just do it already mihoyo.
NO, beidou ban will decrease the urge for players to c6 Sara to unlock raiden dmg. Dev don't what that m if they ever unban beidou, it might happen AFTER the banner
My guess, Yae will be designed to be really compatible with Raiden. Maybe the reason why they disabled Beidou burst when Raiden use her burst is to not make Yae + Raiden look weak. Beidou + Raiden in beta is too god they afraid it will affect the future sales of new character.
I've been telling them every survey for the past year to buff/rework electro reactions. Sucks as Kequing was my first 5 star and I still use her as my second DPS.
And what's bad about that? I mean, I KNOW it's bad but this was already expected.. it's like asking your Venti to destroy a Geo shield real quick, obviously he can't so you switch to a claymore user and break the shield.. that's why you use 4 characters in the first place and not 1..
I hope this turns out like what happen with Zhongli, the buff on the element and rework of the character itself. I still don't get it why they're soo scared of making an Archon extra powerful when they already made a Ganyu, Eula, Hutao, etc. Even if they want her to be support why can't she be extra good at it? Look at Venti and Zhongli now.
Bro Zhongli gonna get nerf by___ enemy .I m not sure u like leaks or not .They always do it with Honkai.They always nerf op characters with Counter enemy
@@chadherald9982 he still will be good while fighting with any other enemy, also, having counter is not bad, having no counter is bad. I just want raiden to be either good at being a battery or sub-dps
^ this is the only reason stopping me from pulling albedo. if his geo flower would pop every time i hit shield, i would 100% pull this guy for my support team.
@Nina Tote I think he means like, if you hit her elemental skill, then you start slashing at the Abyss mage shields with another character, it doesn't trigger Baals elemental skill slashes...because it doesn't count as like enemy hits
@@jansabana No i doesn't have Kazuha but i do have Venti and that's not the point. My team has Zhongli, Raiden, Ayaka and Qiqi and i don't wanna replace anyone. But only if Raiden's skill would work on shields then it would be so much better.
@@justsomeguy727 Venti is a good battery for Xiao tho?? And Zhongli does synergie with noelle hes a great battery and shielded since noelle shield is useless if you're not going dps
Honestly I really think Raiden is amazing as is when used as a Sub DPS Support, but PLEASE fix her interaction with Beidou + MC! And Electro DESPERATELY NEEDS a Rework!!!
@@kathycoleman4648 It's not that simple. Xingqiu and Beidou work differently. Xingqiu only needs you to swing with a normal/charged attack, it doesn't need to actually connect. Beidou needs you to do normal/charged attack damage. In burst mode, Baal's attacks count as normal/charged attack swings (so Xingqiu procs), but the damage is counted as burst damage (so Beidou does not proc). To change this you need to either make Baal's attacks count as normal damage (drastically dropping her damage), or change Beidou so she procs on burst damage (which would completely change her balance). Some characters just don't synergize well with one another, it really is that simple. Baal's damage also is fine considering she is not a DPS unit, she is a burst support unit (quick swap teams).
@@hobbes4011 in Beidou Talent it says When Normal Or charged attack hit. Not deals dmg, with that in mind Mihoyo can do a simple changes like this. Raiden Burst HIT will count as Normal and Charged atk but the dmg dealt is still count as Burst atk. Therefore Raiden is still technically hitting using Normal and Charged. Its just the dmg is still burst. This way Beidou should work. Also as proof that beidou don't need to do dmg to proc burst. Try using beidou burst on shield(abyss mage) it still procs.
Something else to note about sales is that there are newer players that wouldve pulled on those banners that simply werent playing (Pls Venti soon) Edit: I have pulled every electro but Raiden and Beidou. Didnt realize i was so unlucky
You should have specified that while beidou's Q doesnt work with raiden xingqiu's Q does , even though both are triggered by just atacking with normal or charge attacks. This is another reason why people are mad at the beidou/raiden situation , raiden got nerf just because they decided to
Read their bursts again. Xingqiu differs from Beidou. He doesn’t even require you to land a hit. He still fires swords if you miss normal attacks. Fischl is the same. That’s why they both work. Beidou and Elec MC require a “normal and charged attack hit”. That’s why all of the weapons, artifacts, and these two characters with the same wording don’t work during Raiden’s burst. To work, they have to buff Beidou and MC.
@@digichu007 it said HIT right? Not DMG, Raiden can proc Xingqiu Burst with his Burst NA swing, so technically when it HIT the enemy it should still count as NA, so it should can proc Beidou and Electro Travelers Burst, even tho its DMG Scaling count as BurstDMG
@@digichu007 the two burst are different in that sense but both of them requires to use a *normal or charge attack* thats the key , raidens tachi attacks work like burst dmg however they are able to proc XQ's rainswords , that is why people are pissed it feels like a forced nerf to the beidou/raiden comp
@@digichu007 this. exactly this. The problem isn't with Baal, it's with Beidou and how her ult triggers. Also alot of people seem to think she is an on field dps and she is not. She's burst support (specifically for quick swap)
Xingqui' Burst is Normal/Charged Attack animation while Baedou's Burst is Normal/Charged Attack hit. Raiden Shogun Musou Shinsetu Normal/Charged Attack hits are considered an Elemental Burst Hits so it doesnt count as Normal/Charged Attack hit which is why Baedou's Burst doesnt work with her but it has Normal/Charged Attack Animation which is met in the criteria of Xinqui's Burst that's why it worked.
the issue with the Beidou thing as well is that Xingqiu ult does work with Raiden and Beidou doesnt when its worded the same for him as it is for Beidou, so her attacks are considered Normal attacks they just do burst damage, so they really need to make it so Beidou ult works with Raiden
True! Rain Swords proc even though it was worded as "if the character makes a normal attack" even if Raiden's sword attacks are considered Elemental Burst, and not normal attacks. So if it works with Xingqiu, then it should also work with Beidou.
@@ckpn4771 with ei you are actually using your normal attacks but dealing burst damage. I think the trigger for their effects are different but the wording didnt seem to need that clarification. Xingqius activates when you use a normal attack whether it hits or not, but I think beidous requirement is that your normal attack deals damage, which eis doesnt. Idk I'm not familiar with beidou
Raiden not working with Beidou (and Electro MC don't forget, which I actually find worse in a way) is more than just "lol ur just mad that she doesn't work with a 4*." It sets a terrible precedent for future characters and how they'll interact with the existing cast. When the next character is in beta test, and they have strong synergy with an existing character, now we gotta worry that Mihoyo will pull some shit to make them not work together so they can fill the hole later? I can't wait for more characters that can't properly utilize the existing characters in the game, and have frustrating limitations built into them to limit their team comps. That isn't even to mention that the characters' descriptions *being wrong on release* isn't nearly brought up enough. There are people that pulled on this character, spent money on this character, because they read the talents + constellations and reasonably concluded her Q would work with Beidou's Q. That the pairing of those two would be strong (and apparently it very much was in beta). They built Beidou for the sake of pairing her with Raiden, or if they already had a built Beidou it would obviously factor into their reasoning to pull. Then after they pulled, they find that it doesn't work, and rather than actually address the issue Mihoyo says "oh actually that's how it was supposed to work, here's 100 gems." If you don't think that is absolute bullshit, then you're really drinking their Kool-Aid. It's literal false advertising, and even Mihoyo knows how bad of a look it is when they weren't even honest enough to actually mention Beidou's burst by name in their explanation post. Instead they brought up a completely irrelevant effect like the 4pc Bloodstained Chivalry effect. "Well I don't use Beidou so why should I care?" And what about the next character that you'll really be looking forward to, only to find that they suddenly have no synergy with the characters you were looking forward to pairing them with the most? An on-field hydro applicator who can't work with Xiangling, new DPS characters who inexplicably can't trigger Xingqiu's rainswords but want hydro application. A pyro character with CC who also wants to proc overload, yet can't work with Fischl. A character that wants to support characters with high energy cost bursts, whose kit works better when those bursts belong to Electro characters, yet inexplicably doesn't work with half of those characters. Oh wait, that last one is just Raiden. Lastly, I feel like "the literal God of Electro should work with an Electro DPS character whose kit seems tailor-made for her" isn't exactly a huge stretch.
Beidou is the problem Baal is fine. She has a great F2P weapon and a universal set to work with changing her back literally means she gets a huge nerf across the board just to work with a characte you dudes are whining about
TRUE!!! This should be pinned. I agree with that. That's false advertising tbh. They literally changed the description after official release lmao that's sus. Also, they should buff the Electro element in general. Yep.
@@DragonoftheDarknessFlame No. miHoYo's spaghetti code is the problem. And the way they worded the description. Also the element in general, so it also needs a buff. She has limited team comps even if she's a support-battery. How would she get a huge nerf if what we're asking is for them to fix the Beidou Q and Raiden Q interaction?????? LMAO
2:06 "Mihoyo is pretty much dominating the whole art of introducing new characters and hyping them up to cosmic levels" says the guy only using capslock and uploading a "RAIDEN IS GODLIKE" video on her release...
Mihoyo already profited in the Ei's banner, they will think that players are satisfied with her and will just ignore issues but I hope this discussion still continues so that Mihoyo would really do something on it.
Right they can do that. But doing this repeatedly would hurt them in the long run. People will lose trust in the banners and won't buy until it is tested by others. And others might just drop the game. That's a move like biting the hand that feeds you.
@@Juice-chan man i ain't going to lie i might stop playing it if they don't make her kit more viable after farming the electro domain for 2 months and saving all these primos and dailies while being a f2p this is just sad even though i love her design i thought she was a archon so she would be powerful enough
@@samit5650 yeah her base C0 damage is not cutting it. They should have given her C2 into her burst already. That defense penetration is very needed. I don't have an issue if they add another 40% in the C2. Just give the people some power and Beidou interaction. I had luck for 2-3 days in that Domain. Got several good pieces that I originally farmed for Beidou but now is on my Baal. I had enough to build almost a second set. But since than I get only trash. My luck is used up.
Dude, this is the second Gacha game that you present me that I end up getting interested into. Thank you so much for bringing those games for us to see, also congrats on getting the sponsorship!!!
The real issue is that Mihoyo balances characters with all constellations and 5 star weapons in mind. Characters are not complete as shipped at C0 instead need credit cards to reach the actual design. But that's gacha games at its finest and greedy companies will be greedy. People have to stop swiping if they want actual change.
I don't mind, we are playing the game for free, I'd say it's loss for them. They work for hours and hours to make the game, while us have options to play it or NOT in exchange for nothing. I don't get quite being such a fuss about those things.
If you really think they balanced characters like Eula, Hu Tao, and Ganyu around their C6 constellation and their 5-star weapons, I have a bridge in brooklyn I'd like to sell you. Eula alone could nuke an entire city block at C6. I really don't think they make world bosses and weekly bosses only to be one-shot by C6 characters. That is not balance. C6 is a luxury and the game is balanced with that in mind.
I don't care much about 5 star constellation. I would understand that constellation would make a character super op but they paid and earn for it so...
Well raiden's release should set the expectation for archons in the future if mihoyo decides to lock important abilities behind a paywall. I doubt there'll be another archon like venti or zhongli in terms of utility.
Hydro have the access to Vaporize to do big damage. Just look at Childe lol. If the hydro archon is a support/sub-dps, she better surpass Xingqiu. We already have enough healers 🙃
Well at least Hydro have accest to Vaporize and Freeze reactions. The most electro can do is Electrocharge which isn't really that bad but not good either and since Electro can't crit it's like your stats that you've been grinding for months is useless on a Electro character unless if your Electro character is physical build then nothings really great for Electro reactions.
Everyone keeps asking for Beidou to work with the shogun, while we have characters like Yoimiya who doesn’t even work with herself. Now I understand that we would like a fix to the archon and electro as a whole, but let’s not forget the other characters that have issues.
This is true. Yoimiya, Qiqi, Xinyan, Amber and possibly Kokomi soon. They all have design flaws that make them clunky and underpowered. It would be wonderful if these issues were addressed, but I’m not going to hold my breath. Mihoyo’s design philosophy is to prioritise releasing characters, events and patches on a strict schedule above all else. They seemingly do not see the value in buffing or fixing old characters except in the case of Zhongli.
These are just some characters tho not a whole element an element not being effective and it's power being weak is more important than trying to fix some characters let's look at the whole picture the more electro characters that come the more the problem will grow
@@haanabeel6477 The issue people are complaining about is how Raiden's burst doesn't trigger Beidou's burst. This happens because Beidou's burst only triggers when NORMAL or CHARGED attacks hit. Raiden's burst normal and charged attacks are considered normal and charged at first, but the damage they deal are BURST DMG, not normal/charged atk dmg.
@@epicskrub730 xingqiu's ult triggers with normal attack animations. and it does work with raiden shogun burst. does that mean that xingqiu working with raiden shogun is a bug since it's a burst?
You know what's sad? We're never gonna get an electro buff. Buffing electro has been a notion since the game came out and they've never done it. The only time that I was hopeful they'd do it was when releasing Raiden Shogun but clearly it never happened. I've seen so many people predict when it'll happen. "1.6 for sure, 1.7 maybe, when they release baal for sure, when they release yae miko for sure." I've lost hope and I'm eternally frustrated. Sincerely, a Keqing main.
Prediction is nvr reliable lolz, the one last things u can wait is when dendro comes out, if by that time still nothing happens, then thats it. For keqing prob, unless they fix her scaling orelse she will nvr be stronger than the rest of electro characters.
Its all about the timing my man, imagine if dendro and electro gives broken elemental reactions, then the dendro banner sales go to the moon, more money
@@cwazytings electro is meh since the beginning of the game man,People have been complaining for a loooong time now, but i haven't lost hope ! (Copium) Fellow Keqing main here
I find it upsetting that most of her beastly power is locked behind C2…hmm guess this sets a new precedent for my expectations from now on for archons, I thought they would be powerful even at C0 like Venti and Zhongdong. I don’t like to use Beidou, but I would indeed like an Electro buff. I’m going back to play my Herrscher of Thunder lol.
@@funniestkross I can’t bruh, I ran out of primos lol xD My Ei will have The Catch once I get enough fish, till then Prototype Starglitter for her it is.
I still feel like she lacks damage even with c2 and c3. I don’t know if that’s because there’s no amplifying damage like melt and vaporize or her multipliers being not the best or high. Electro has higher multipliers because of the lack of amplifying reactions and has something in their kit to make up for it. But for Baal, it just feels so lackluster, and she just feels like she doing no damage, even with c2 and c3
@@rotus9550 nah she's just underwhelming at c0. My Zhongli with bennett alone deals 150k on his burst. I use blackcliff pole, c0 and crowned ult. 55 crit rate 205 crit damage while my Raiden who is 1 level away from crowning her burst deals around 160k with Kazuha, Bennett and Zhongli. Yeah I know Raiden deals a lot of damage on her attacks when she's in her burst mode but if you think about it, you need expensive characters to make her good. My bennett gives 1300 atk buff and she only deals that kind of damage.
@@justafrogwearingasuit9139 You have a support character that can easily one cycle 95% of the bosses with her ult and some cheap support like sara and sucrose that also provides insane energy for the team and you are still complaining that she is not strong enough? It sounds like you want a character that can kill everything in one hit but where is the point in playing if a character is completely broken and makes everything a joke?
Hopefully this rage translates to a buff or at the very least an electro buff I'm just letting people be mad and hope it creates positive results for me through no effort of my own.
Things mihoyo need to change: 1. EI's ult not compatible with beidou. 2. Change Bennet C6 or at least make a feature to deactivate constellations. 3. A fcking Kazuha and Sucrose can gather klee's bombs but a fcking anemo god's ult can't do shit to them.
I was actually thinking about this too and would have preferred this overall. For people like me who likes keeping Ei in the field all the time, it would have been better if she was a dps with support capabilities. But maybe thats just me haha
@@ashtil8322 we are both the same, I like to play with Her more alot and what to make her a good dps or support. If only her multipliers were a bit more high and her Ult had a more duration for sword mode she would become alot better
@@slimstrait780 so hear me out right, what genshin want is specific elements to do a single job for eg: Pyro for damage, Geo for sheild, Hydro for heal, Anemo for movement or CC and Electro as battery. But what people want is flexibility, this is a single player game so why limite the possibility of playing a character with certain element out of bounds and push to their limits and use their full potential.
@@Rustu-rc1fp people want every single unit to be able to slot into whatever comps they want and that's just not how the game works unfortunately. Xingqiu may be the premier pyro support for vaporize but he does not work well with klee because of how klee works. That's simply the reality of the situation. Not every single unit is going to work with each other and that's honestly totally ok because it means players need to get creative with their team comps rather than everybody just play the same things ( *cough* Bennett+xiangling for example). Not every single unit is going to be flexible. People want flexibility ? Then summon for those flexible units, but don't try and bring down other units that bring entirely new and unique aspects to the game just because you (figuratively speaking) want the game to be as boring as possible when it comes to figuring out synergies.
@@klaviergavin5401 What makes things worse is the ones who say she's good are the ones with C2 and her ideal 5* weapon. Then there are those saying she deals more than their main dps. Who tf are you using bruh? Qiqi DPS?
Overload is underrated. Spiral Abyss enemies are hard to stagger, let alone knockback, so you can get a lot of damages from the reaction and the occasional stagger you will actually trigger might save you from a random hit. Chances are Nobushi's and Kairagi's nerf on their weight, which were nearly impossible to stagger in 2.0, is a way for MiHoYo to support this kind of gameplay.
Yep. My bf and I ran Emblem today--me for Raiden and him for Xinqui. I got a decent "starter" set so I can start trying her out in my world, and thus far I'm finding her super fun. She's running with Barbara, Tartaglia and Zhongli, though I may try swapping Barbara for Benny and see if Raiden's energy increase can help him have his circle enough to make me not be nervous to let go of my insta heals.
@@kathycoleman4648 yeah you'll be fine to swap them! Especially if you stack ER on Bennett and use Raidens ultimate when at max resolve- you'll almost always have his ult up
@@brainmince1158 Every veteran Genshin player should know that Raiden decrease potential damage of that team comps compare if you use Anemio character that swirls and use VV
they’ll probably make dendro boost all other elements to help deal more elemental damage or something like that. if not it’ll probably only be good w pyro characters for the burning effect. i can’t picture dendro having an elemental reaction w anything other than pyro, it wouldn’t make sense pairing it w other elements.
150% multiplier damage on attack that triggers reaction, then Superconduct+Phy RES down Debuff 150% multiplier damage on attack that triggers reaction, then Electro-Charged+Element RES down debuff Electro character gets happier!
it's so weird how the player base treats electro like aren't y'all tired of seeing the same two elements every single update? I think part of the reason why she is so popular is that she finally isn't a pyro or cryo character she's finally something different and I think we could at least approciate that
The biggest problem with Raiden is that she is a good and balanced character and doesn't completely break the game like Zhongli and Venti. She is a healthy addition to the game but because of Mihoyo's past mistakes it makes her seem bad
"mihoyo's past mistakes" don't you mean their past mistakes combined with the community's obsession with wanting every new unit to trivialize the game more than the last?
Even if they are past mistakes, it still sets a bar up, incredibly high. I agree that she seems reasonable, but "there's just better" is an argument you can't escape. Mainly: Electro isn't good enough (In abyss basically). Most people complaining about it are talking about abyss since overworld pve is trivialized even with 4 star characters. For all I know it's not even Raiden and her C2, it's just that electro in itself is very lackluster, ESPECIALLY against shields.
@@iuel42 or just raise raiden..? Those characters are strong because they're limited 5 stars and 2 of them are gods. They absolutely should be op compared to 14 year old fischl who is a mortal human in cosplay. Yeah lol. Gods should be overpowered when compared to 4 stars because that's just how it works. I'm glad you dont make the laws because changing them would be robbery and it's illegal, you cant see how wrong that would be to do?
@@paradis0744 One of the best DPS in the game is a little girl chef with a bear. Characters are not lore-accurate gameplay-wise, otherwise this would be an entirely different game lol
Raiden is the first character i really take a note on the character kit detail so far because it has a different requirement for it to work, like how to trigger her skill or how the burst actually works and others Raiden is a really fun and flexible character and i enjoy it mostly on the overworld exploration 😁
I have every archon and she feels like a good 5 star for me, not really archon level. Which feels wrong considering she is supposed to beat the shit out of Kazuha. My Kaeya still keeps his spot in my team.
Changes to electro reactions: 1) take EM from highest supplier, not the one who triggers a reaction 2) allow electro reactions to crit, taking into account crit stats that way they are still independent of attack, but will deal way more damage and EM can be used reliably
I *_still_* find the interaction with Beidou as weird since Xingqiu has an almost *identical* trigger for their interaction with _his burst BUT HIS _*_WORKS_* with Beel! That's what's so frustrating about the whole situation. They need to pick one or the other, it works with all things considered a normal attack or not. Not "it works on somethings that see it as a normal attack and not on others for no discernable reason" (and no, neither burst cares about the type of damage dealt, the wording on Xingqiu's and Beidou's Bursts are both concerned with normal attacks *hitting* NOT the type of damage those attacks do).
Beidou's triggers on the connection of Normal Attacks. Xinqiu's triggers on the attempt of Normal Attacks. 1 of these involves an instance of damage being applied (a registered hit on a shield counts too since normal attacks deal damage to shields despite no numbers appearing), and the other only involves an animation going through. The difference between the 2 skills is written within their descriptions too. It's not obvious, but it is there which means this isn't some fluke or mistake in the interaction between the abilities with no in-game explanation available.
With XQ burst you can swing in the air and the swords will still activate but not for Beidou but I understand what you mean both needs a "normal attack" to trigger the burst, Raiden's burst are considered Burst and not "normal attacks" as they tried to explain so it is fair that Beidou's burst don't work, but if that is the case XQ shouldn't work too because its supposed to be triggered by normal attacks and not burst attacks. I really hope they change it so Beidou's burst works because its crazy how they are so made for each other on paper, Beidou has a high energy cost and is Electro so raiden C1 makes it crazy good and Beidou's burst is great for off field DPS and even shred elemental res at C6 meanwhile raiden compensate for the High energy cost.
@@Shikatsuyatsuke actually shields taking damage doesnt count as damage. You can tell this by neither albedo or raiden proccing on shields when they trigger specifically on damage. Beidou just needs to hit. Damage is its own completely separate trigger. So while yes they are worded differently, it still doesnr justify beidou not triggering considering raiden overrides damage, beidous trigger is independent of damage, and raidens swings are still normal attacks. Therefore if theyre hitting and theyre normal attacks, conditions met, damage type shouldnt matter. XQ triggering proves theyre still normal attacks despite being coded to deal burst damage.
@@Grim_Bud Fr, when i got Baal my immediate thought was " Holy shit, she's gonna go so well with Beidou YESS " Lo and behold, it doesn't work.. Overall she's balanced (although some teeny tiny buffs would be appreciated) but they better make her compatible with Beidou soon cuz Baal is just so incompatible with most comps cuz of her E skill
The first 2 replies says it all. I don't have baal but you should compare baal/beidou with baal/electro traveler. If you have baal you can try using baal with electro traveler if she can trigger travelers burst there's clearly a problem with baal if not, I think there's no problem with her burst.
Thank you for all your videos. I really appreciate the thoughtful information and realistic view of spending money on the game. You work hard to feel like every character you pull is a great usable character.
I pulled assuming she would work with my favorite character, Beidou. Knowing that she doesnt work with my favorite character i wouldnt have pulled. but here we are. She better be changed.
I have NO idea why the spiral abyss is even considered when testing a character since 9/10 times you either completed it or have 0 interest in it and find it boring(I am part of the second category). I get that some people haven't completed it but you can just use ANY OTHER CHARACTER to get ahead in the abyss if Raiden isn't working.
I just think that 1 pull of her is good for now. If she gets a buff, I hope it's not game breaking but balanced and reworked slightly but not crazily. I love her abilities
Sad thing is this whole drama overshadows the biggest problem I have with Raiden that is critical and no one cares. Chakra Desiderata does not disappear after combat which makes exploration annoying. You can't enjoy Raiden looks because of this abomination constantly behind her.
Im the guy that maxed out Zhongli Q to 10 the first day i got him in 1.1 and enjoy him so much admist the drama. I would do the same for Raiden but fixing Beidou would be a great QoL and way to redeem Mihoyo. Other than that their repu will be on a huge huge landslide from now on.
i would love for mihoyo to go for the ridicously high power force for the electro element instead of buffing reactions something like making the resonance buff your Ult dmg% and buffing some other ratios like Keqing ult so electro can be the most effective to use on mono element teams
The thing that bothers me the most about the Beidou fiasco is: Why does XINGQIU'S burst still work? XQ's ult is also listed as triggering with normal attacks, but Raiden can still proc his hits just fine.
Because his ult doesn't need to deal damage to trigger, beidous does. So you only need a basic attack that doesn't deal damage to trigger xing. With beidou it requires normal attack damage, and since baal is the only person where the attack counts as burst damage, it doesn't work. The only way to fix this would be to change how beidou works. Because baal can not be both normal and burst damage and if she was reverted back to normal the catch would be not only useless but baal would deal much less damage overall.
Now that I have seen the video, I completely agree with what is stated. The Raiden Shogun is one of the very best batteries in game, plus it does have a very good background story. I'm still building her for usage, however most of my friends were disappointed to say the least on regards of her performance on Abyss. I, in all honesty, like the design and that's why I pulled her xD
I also agree. I saved up 17k primos for her so I managed to get her to c1. I also pulled for her weapon and already had a 4set EoSF ready. I got her to 90 already, and managed to clear abyss with her, but I can't help but think that it was more thanks to my team comp (Raiden/Bennett/Xingqiu/Xiangling) rather than Raiden herself. Still, I'm having a blast playing with her and do not regret pulling for her
honestly speaking, her bis weapon kinda gives a huge change of flexibility to her artifact builds as well as burst rotations. If you have been running a team that could sustain their own energy, you can really focus more dps on raiden while filling up the lost energy gap. The catch is also good which is somehow on par with skyward spine at r5. Other than the synergy issues with beidou as well as the electro element, I personally find that many people couldn't seem to slot her in the right team to maximize her potential.
The amount of people who want Raiden do big pp dmg is laughable. Electro Element as whole needed buff. Imo, Raiden is good as she is now. You dont have to use her Q when full stack. Shes fine..
@@Lycoriste ???? Baal is fine as she is now, Electro element does need buff, idk what copium are u on. There is no bad character, only bad player. Lmao
@@Clourie i never said she needed a buff im just saying theres no reason for us to call ppl out for complaining abt raiden since theyre the ones who give us a chance at a buff and if its a buff theres no reason for us to complain
i do get some of the complaints but i think raiden fits the game really well, she's a great support/battery and even when it comes to dps, she can deal really good damage, i managed to get somewhat decent artifacts and im already starting to see good results, overall i think raiden is perfectly fine the way she is rn.
Her support capabilities , both her E and her energy regeneration are lackluster , if they are buffed along with her interaction with beidou, they can get away without increasing her dmg or reworking/buffing electro
No reason to care for power creep *if they go back and rebalance older characters and weapons.* Don't worry about power creep. Worry about miHoYo not caring about old characters and weapons.
C0 Raiden is simply meh And the main reason is Electro, they really need to buff Electro & Electro Resonance And i think most people are salty about Raiden is because most of her power is locked behind an early Constellation like her C2 If her C2 was actually C4 or C6 people wouldn't be this salty And then her wep gives soo much power compared to any other wep. Basically her DPS capabilities are locked behind paywall while Supporting capabilities are good but nothing to write home about
I don't care about what other people say. I enjoy playing her. Totally enjoy playing this game. I'm having fun with my friends and that's all matters for me.
Same, and tbh you only need your characters to reach an average power to enjoy the game. None of them need to be full blown 5* weapons equipped, full lv, full talented to be "strong enough" to play. It's only matters to Abyss spiral grind which is only primogems grinding to get more characters to grind for. Chasing all of that is tiresome. I have most of my characters at lv 70, have no 5* weapons and put into my team whoever i like, following no strategy whatsoever. And that's fun enough for me to go messing around with partner. (And tbh if i just gonna destroyed everything in one shot with an OP character it just makes the game more boring for the both of us)
@@astweiss the main question here is which one you prefer, why would I use electro resonance when there's better alternatives. Battery is a solvable issue, since all you need is a character that generates a lot of particles. Again why would I sacrifice 1 resonance slot when I can use that slot for other resonance that has better utility, hell I might even pick hydro resonance over electro resonance.
I also hold the unpopular opinion that electro doesn't actually need a buff. I also kind of understand where Mihoyo is going with the Beidou interation with Raiden, but it is also true that it is counterintuitive. I'm just wondering if allowing Beidou to work during Raiden ult will make the duo irreversibly broken so as to break the balance of the game? If not, then I agree that Mihoyo should just succumb to this player demanded change if it doesn't hurt the overall balance. One thing that Mihoyo definitely needs to invest more into is their script writing department and translation department, to avoid more misunderstandings and dramas caused by untimely communication and confusion in the descriptions of character skills.
So no one will talk about that low Elemental Skill Multiplier? Like 2k Dmg well built with 4 star weap, 4k+ with Engulfing Lighting.. That seems normal to all of you? When there is someone out there like Albedo hitting 11k even faster?
Anyone else just having fun playing with the Shogun and not complaining at all.... Or is it just me? But I can’t deny electro element is at a rough spot.
I mean should we really be fine with this situation? If we don't complain now they will just make shit characters with bad kits but more waifu like to get money.
@@FenrirAlter IMO the Shogun’s kit is fine but yes the misinformation about beidou and even her e skill not working in shields can be pointed out. Idk for me complaining is fine but making it out of proportion is too much.
if we don't complain that mihoyo earning Billions they will make another character that exceeds archon like for example Amber is higher than Ei because of her kits is Bad even if she's an archon but they will make it waifu.
Thankfully I got my constellations on Eula rather than raiden. Raiden is good for dmg but mostly just fueling my Eula. Eula will never get replaced in my opinion she's just way too good and Raiden is her perfect support
The Beidou interaction SHOULD be fixed, and her burst stance could be increased to 10 seconds, but I love her as is. But buffs for Her Eternal Excellency would be cool
I feel like *every* character comes with somekind of drama at this point, it's getting a bit silly. You'd almost think people *want* powercreep to happen...
Then they'll be the first ones bitching about said powercreep should it happen. Community's a literal joke that doesn't know what it wants at this point.
Without Archon title she's just regular 5*. But due to the title people expect something more from her. I have her C0 i do the pocket money to C3 her but is not worth the money atm for me, to spend on the character only excel in limited role.
I agree, the other two are CAPABLE of being built as solo DPS even if they aren't gonna be great at it and are better suited as supports, THEY still CAN; Baal currently cannot in any way, her skill DMG is so inconsequential, that it's only purpose is really just to maintain her slash attacks, I'd like to see it get at least a bit of a dmg-scaling boost, because right now, as an elemental skill, IT'S WORTHLESS, as a support ability, it's fine; and I understand people don't want every character to be buffed like zhongli every time a new character comes out, but at the very least ARCHONS should be able to get that kinda treatment, because they SHOULD be "the strongest" of their elements, and right now Baal is fighting for 4th strongest electro character with fischl, with Lisa being the only electro character she's blatantly better than
I think the constellation thing could be helped a tiny bit with a free handout to 1 chosen character for a single constellation increase. I'm not sure how often they could give it out without breaking the game, but this feature has been in other games such as epic 7, and it was a nice treat, but still kept people pulling for characters. This could be gated through events to keep people playing, and reward you for that. I'm sure this has instant flaws in it, it's a very rough draft of what I believe could help though. Sure, most characters REALLY shine at c6, but at least f2p and dolphins alike would feel better about their investment.
raiden has been my first ever 5 star character. as someone who barely ever pulls, has never had a 5 star, and has a mainly cryo/pyro team, i have no issues with raiden. electro reactions could be stronger but she still crushes imo
And you know your opinion is wrong because you started off saying you have no idea what to compare her too lmao. Trust the people who know what to expect, okay? I have 15 five stars and raiden with her weapon, she fucking sucks right now for a lot of reasons and does such little damage that she takes the stage away from your main dps, but the way shes meant to be played is having her almost constantly on field. But the damage is not good lol, she doesn't work right compared to other 5 stars and the fact that shes an archon is really disappointing
I do think we should also put the comparison with Childe, when he’s in melee stance, all the normal / charged attack also has its own damage multiplier in elemental skill talent, BUT Beidou still works in Childe elemental skill HIT..I think this should put into the argument also..For me, I think Mihoyo does not consistent and change / nerf Baal individually which totally unfair.
Childe melee is not elemental skill hit. It’s not buffed by Stringless. Only the riptide is elemental skill hit. His melee is normal attacks. That’s why Stringless only buffs his riptide and not melee. Rust buffs his melee autos. That’s why he can proc Beidou.
The fact that the description of Overload on loading screen is described as a "POWERFUL EXPLOSION" yet gets overpowered by vaporize which basically just hot air and melt which basically fkin ice that melted....
I'm really scared that mihoyo might do the same thing with the next archons They're letting electro weak just so they can resell her on the rerun conveniently coming with electro buff
Pretty cool hearing someone saying that Electro is fun to explore with, walking around Inazuma getting free Electro charged with the beach is pretty cool
Electro characters should be immune to electro charged imo since they do it to themselves and have to constantly drain their hp fighting on beaches. There isnt any content where electro charged is like a bosses main attack or any situations where you would encounter this so it's not making any fights easier. Just less annoying.. ei loses half her health fighting in her own nation even after dodging everything lol
@@paradis0744 Hahah yeah, i've always hated how one has to use a shield to not get punished for using electro abilities on water(i always use Zhong for this), and how Barbara's E is a self-freeze fiasco- Ansd it's not like it such mechanics don't already exist in the game; the electro seelie applies electro to the character w/o causing electrocharged. The only immunity that exist rn built into the characters is Razor's and Beelzebul's Ults
Ngl, don't really have anything to complain about her, already used her even in the abyss and did a good amount of damage and got a few bursts out, even before actually buffing her skills, now I'm farming to get her to max
Play her more and you'll notice a lot of things could be better, especially considering how shes an archon but feels like an unfinished character. The skill needs more damage, I should not be level 80 ascended with a skill that does 7k... really? Can it at least be 10-12k? Considering how during burst cooldown that's all she can really do The burst itself needs 2 buffs, it needs to be in an aoe around her and not just in front. Nothing is worse than having it miss because she turned to another enemy or the enemy moved. That's like 70% of her damage out the window. Secondly, either buff the scaling of her burst attacks or extend duration by 2 seconds. Either of those would be a huge help to making her run smoothly An easier and more interesting alternative buff would be that the eye of stormy judgment boosts her (only her) skill and attack damage too instead of just burst. That would fix a lot of her damage without much effort but still leave the burst unbuffed
@@paradis0744 I agree with the area of effect of the burst, not that much the other ones, in my view she is made to be a battery that can cause a few great numbers while resetting the rest of the team's bursts, but I wouldn't cry if she got buffs tho In my view there will be even more characters in the future that will be energy hungry after all, and she will be a great addition to the collection when the time comes.
If they made her scale with energy recharge with everything like zhongli does, that would be really nice as well, after all, more damage is more damage...
Pls miHoYo, just let us have a nice bEidou combo :(
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i see what you did there
cant spell beidou without Ei. i see what ya did there
there's a popular theory in the CN community stating the beidou combo is taken out because it will help push more people to pull for high constellation kojou sara & also the upcoming yae miko. It's done NOT because the beidoushogun combo would break the game balance or due to coding technical difficulties. its done purely because of profits. Mihoyo should have notified players before shogun's banner release and NOT changing the skill wording AFTER the banner. This is just borderline unethical imo.
I was planning to use my double topup to get c2 raiden, but after this news dropped, i will not support mihoyo's behavior and wont spend a dime on raiden's banner. CN players are sueing mihoyo and sending complaints to their consumer protection agencies, hopefully it will make mihoyo think twice before pulling similar nasty move again in the future.
@@galacticraymond C2 Raiden ain't that strong don't waste your money, my C1 tao hits harder, electro is a shitty element, but the problem here is the new mechanic burst DMG, thanks to that weapons like skyward doesn't fully work on her or gladiator/bloodstained so I'd new characters have similar mechanics, older weapons will be obsolete
@@Eroigaki you have better multilayer then Glad with ESf
Guys, only commenting here and saying that Mihoyo needs to buff electro won't help anyone. Go in-game and use the "Feedback" feature and submit a ticket with customer service telling them to rework/buff electro.
I already did my part. That's literally the only thing Mihoyo can do that will get Ei up there with the best characters.
Do it.
GET THIS COMMENT TO THE TOP
AGREE
Already have and gave a idea as to what they could do if they wanted
Yo! This post should be spread around like wild fire. Theres people who spent money.
Its like buying a sale item but not getting right quality of product.
Ill volunteer. Gonna do it right now
Imm do this
If they gave electro characters like an atk speed boost rather than anemo, i think that would make the element much more effective, and makes it fit more into the idea of speed, efficiency, and energy recharge.
Agreed. Giving them more normal attacks than other characters in other elements would be a good idea as well.
I've always wondered why this element doesn't just have cooldown reduction on skills and maybe burst. More damage, more energy, more reactions, seemed simple enough to me.
@wotan727 that reaction is fine, with big bosses.. electro charged should have gotten that buff
Absolutely would love an atk speed boost, but I still think we'd need more. It's so fitting though and would make Razor and maybe Keqing feel really nice.
i've thought of having each element's resonance be tied to an offensive stat/effect just like cryo/pyro/geo. electro resonance should be attack speed in addition to generating electro particles
They really should buff Electro as a whole in the next patch. The ones they gave previously felt like it's more for Anemo while Electro just gets liem 5% complimentary
Mihoyo barely does things the players wants, but does things no one asked for like removing rosaria kicking her spear animation.
Electro is weak tho 🤨 if anything geo should get a buff before electro
@@ELI-521 that's the reason they need to buff electro
@@ELI-521 fucking no
@Ahmad Halim not albedo just zhongli. Outside of him and resonance (with only strong cus of zhong) geo is by far the worst overall element not electro
The electro archon not being compatible with an electro character is just stupid. They should change the way it works, it’s so counterintuitive.
Well even xiao's not compatible with other characters.
@@kallenlivesmatter3229 xiao is not a archon tho
@@zerose_24 but raiden has social problems for sure.
I mean she literally locked herself away
@@kallenlivesmatter3229 dont twist lore/gameplay. Your argument is weak, and you should be ashamed
@@kallenlivesmatter3229 That is such a ridiculous argument, story has nothing to do with gameplay
1. I do hope that Raiden ult gets an update to make it more flexible and usable with Beidou
2. I also hope that electro characters and reactions gets buffed
3. The one that no one talks about. When Raiden enters a domain her resolve stacks are reset.
When you complete the domain and try again, it resets. When doing story, it resets.
Fix this pls!
Not to mention, it doesnt snapshot
I agree with everything, and yeah, the 3rd one would be a nice quality of life improvement. I wouldn't say it's necessary, it'd just be nice for sure.
For your first part. In beta, baal worked with beidou until her burst was changed to deal burst damage. After that beta players didn't notice or care. Check on official reddit.
That's why it didn't work and I doubt they will change it.
@@metaphor4439 too much controversy around it for them to just ignore it.
@@aidenkz yeah but its causes so much disinformation because people say it worked in beta UNTIL they changed to deal burst damage. beta players didnt notice because Emblem of Severed Fate was a considerable buff.
Now theres a conspiracy because they did because of Yae which is a catalyst user isnt confirmed gonna work well with raiden and should sell well.
Dont forget that theres Lisa as well.
Lisa, XQ works well with raiden because their ult functions differently than beidou.
Because of this you guys are blowing out of proportion. This isnt Zhongli levels of drama in CN community.
as a keqing main i see this drama as an absolute win
Laughs in triple crowned Keqing =) Hope that this whole Raiden nonsense will contribute to our Queen getting the indirect buff she rightfully deserves.
Yes, I want her stronger XD, I still don't trust her when into the abyss 11 or 12. But she is a fun character to play :')
Me using keqing and raiden :)))
@@Fluffy-cx3cr bruh I've both character maxed level and triple crowned keqing but don't trash Raiden, she's the sole reason electro is getting more attention than ever
Same 😀
goodluck to those who are still pulling for Raiden, and advanced goodluck to those pulling for Kokomi!!!
Thanks! (Coming from a kokomi saver)
Got qiqi
Raiden rerun waiter
goodluck to you too
I got c1 Ei by accident 😐
Looking at it from a company standpoint, buffing Raiden/Electro or even simply making Beidou work with Raiden would boost sales as more skeptical meta-focused players will now have a reason to pull.
Consumers are happy and the creators are happy, so just do it already mihoyo.
yeah but they dum
Bold of you to assume Mihoyo will make rational decisions XD
Beidou mains would be happy
NO, beidou ban will decrease the urge for players to c6 Sara to unlock raiden dmg. Dev don't what that m if they ever unban beidou, it might happen AFTER the banner
Actually the ppl who complain the most is those meta player because they auto pilot pull for Ei because she’s an archon
Mihoyo should also think about Yae sales. Her design is awesome, but she is also electro and I worry about her usefulness for the game.
Agreed.
My guess, Yae will be designed to be really compatible with Raiden. Maybe the reason why they disabled Beidou burst when Raiden use her burst is to not make Yae + Raiden look weak. Beidou + Raiden in beta is too god they afraid it will affect the future sales of new character.
I've been telling them every survey for the past year to buff/rework electro reactions. Sucks as Kequing was my first 5 star and I still use her as my second DPS.
Thats sad...
Raiden make Signora turn to Ash on 1 swing and split an island, while she cant destroy shield xD
bruh
I love and hate how accurate this is xD
the shade
Write this when Mihoyo ask us for SURVEY....
And what's bad about that? I mean, I KNOW it's bad but this was already expected.. it's like asking your Venti to destroy a Geo shield real quick, obviously he can't so you switch to a claymore user and break the shield.. that's why you use 4 characters in the first place and not 1..
I hope this turns out like what happen with Zhongli, the buff on the element and rework of the character itself. I still don't get it why they're soo scared of making an Archon extra powerful when they already made a Ganyu, Eula, Hutao, etc. Even if they want her to be support why can't she be extra good at it? Look at Venti and Zhongli now.
yeah they should make raiden broken, because she is archon.
@@iamtrasherqueen4925 no
Bro Zhongli gonna get nerf by___ enemy .I m not sure u like leaks or not .They always do it with Honkai.They always nerf op characters with Counter enemy
@@Leo-oj9ng yes
@@chadherald9982 he still will be good while fighting with any other enemy, also, having counter is not bad, having no counter is bad. I just want raiden to be either good at being a battery or sub-dps
I only wish that her coordinate attacks would work on abyss mage's shields! :(
^ this is the only reason stopping me from pulling albedo.
if his geo flower would pop every time i hit shield, i would 100% pull this guy for my support team.
Do you have Kazuha? Cuz my Baal coordinate atk still works if i do E with Kazuha and it shreds Abyss mage shield
@Nina Tote I think he means like, if you hit her elemental skill, then you start slashing at the Abyss mage shields with another character, it doesn't trigger Baals elemental skill slashes...because it doesn't count as like enemy hits
@@jansabana No i doesn't have Kazuha but i do have Venti and that's not the point. My team has Zhongli, Raiden, Ayaka and Qiqi and i don't wanna replace anyone. But only if Raiden's skill would work on shields then it would be so much better.
@Nina Tote Her elemental skill's coordinate attacks doesn't work if you hit abyss mage's shield. It only works when their shield is broken.
an electro character not able to synergize with an electro archon is silly
Yea it's weird that Raiden can't synergize with the Electro archon.
Xiao doesn't synergize with venti (both anemo)
Zhongli doesnt synergize with Noelle (both geo)
Your logic is fucking dumb :)
@@justsomeguy727 Venti is a good battery for Xiao tho?? And Zhongli does synergie with noelle hes a great battery and shielded since noelle shield is useless if you're not going dps
@@justsomeguy727 Venti and Xiao isn't ideal but beidou Raiden doesnt fucking work at all
Honestly I really think Raiden is amazing as is when used as a Sub DPS Support, but PLEASE fix her interaction with Beidou + MC! And Electro DESPERATELY NEEDS a Rework!!!
Yes, she should work with Xinqui and Beidou, or work with neither. Pick one. I'm pairing her and Tartaglia and having fun.
Also don't forget the weapons and artifacts like skyward and gladiator doesn't work on her
They literally just need to rework electro resonance I think that'd make electro more viable.
@@kathycoleman4648 It's not that simple. Xingqiu and Beidou work differently. Xingqiu only needs you to swing with a normal/charged attack, it doesn't need to actually connect. Beidou needs you to do normal/charged attack damage. In burst mode, Baal's attacks count as normal/charged attack swings (so Xingqiu procs), but the damage is counted as burst damage (so Beidou does not proc). To change this you need to either make Baal's attacks count as normal damage (drastically dropping her damage), or change Beidou so she procs on burst damage (which would completely change her balance). Some characters just don't synergize well with one another, it really is that simple. Baal's damage also is fine considering she is not a DPS unit, she is a burst support unit (quick swap teams).
@@hobbes4011 in Beidou Talent it says When Normal Or charged attack hit. Not deals dmg, with that in mind
Mihoyo can do a simple changes like this.
Raiden Burst HIT will count as Normal and Charged atk but the dmg dealt is still count as Burst atk.
Therefore Raiden is still technically hitting using Normal and Charged. Its just the dmg is still burst.
This way Beidou should work. Also as proof that beidou don't need to do dmg to proc burst.
Try using beidou burst on shield(abyss mage) it still procs.
I feel like mihoyo look at the community complaining at Raiden while swipe their tears with money rn
I feel accomplished with getting Raiden on my 50/50 :)
@@maraisfan4life517 Can't relate, I lost to a C1 Qiqi, everybody else would have been better tbh
LOL I'm an Eula main, otherwise I will be trigger too
Something else to note about sales is that there are newer players that wouldve pulled on those banners that simply werent playing (Pls Venti soon) Edit: I have pulled every electro but Raiden and Beidou. Didnt realize i was so unlucky
They recently gave out a free Beidou as an event reward in 2.0. Also she was in the Starglitter shop last month. Did you just start playing?
beidou was free, unless u havent done the event
Me too I have every electro except Sara 😩😩
@@AirLancer Yea basically. i started awhile ago but just recently got really into it. Edit: Also tbh i doubt either would replace Keqing
@@honeylemon6079 I hadnt 🥲 wish i would have just for the collection
You should have specified that while beidou's Q doesnt work with raiden xingqiu's Q does , even though both are triggered by just atacking with normal or charge attacks. This is another reason why people are mad at the beidou/raiden situation , raiden got nerf just because they decided to
Read their bursts again. Xingqiu differs from Beidou. He doesn’t even require you to land a hit. He still fires swords if you miss normal attacks. Fischl is the same. That’s why they both work. Beidou and Elec MC require a “normal and charged attack hit”. That’s why all of the weapons, artifacts, and these two characters with the same wording don’t work during Raiden’s burst. To work, they have to buff Beidou and MC.
@@digichu007 it said HIT right? Not DMG, Raiden can proc Xingqiu Burst with his Burst NA swing, so technically when it HIT the enemy it should still count as NA, so it should can proc Beidou and Electro Travelers Burst, even tho its DMG Scaling count as BurstDMG
@@digichu007 the two burst are different in that sense but both of them requires to use a *normal or charge attack* thats the key , raidens tachi attacks work like burst dmg however they are able to proc XQ's rainswords , that is why people are pissed it feels like a forced nerf to the beidou/raiden comp
@@digichu007 this. exactly this. The problem isn't with Baal, it's with Beidou and how her ult triggers. Also alot of people seem to think she is an on field dps and she is not. She's burst support (specifically for quick swap)
Xingqui' Burst is Normal/Charged Attack animation while Baedou's Burst is Normal/Charged Attack hit.
Raiden Shogun Musou Shinsetu Normal/Charged Attack hits are considered an Elemental Burst Hits so it doesnt count as Normal/Charged Attack hit which is why Baedou's Burst doesnt work with her but it has Normal/Charged Attack Animation which is met in the criteria of Xinqui's Burst that's why it worked.
the issue with the Beidou thing as well is that Xingqiu ult does work with Raiden and Beidou doesnt when its worded the same for him as it is for Beidou, so her attacks are considered Normal attacks they just do burst damage, so they really need to make it so Beidou ult works with Raiden
True! Rain Swords proc even though it was worded as "if the character makes a normal attack" even if Raiden's sword attacks are considered Elemental Burst, and not normal attacks. So if it works with Xingqiu, then it should also work with Beidou.
@@ckpn4771 with ei you are actually using your normal attacks but dealing burst damage. I think the trigger for their effects are different but the wording didnt seem to need that clarification. Xingqius activates when you use a normal attack whether it hits or not, but I think beidous requirement is that your normal attack deals damage, which eis doesnt. Idk I'm not familiar with beidou
Raiden not working with Beidou (and Electro MC don't forget, which I actually find worse in a way) is more than just "lol ur just mad that she doesn't work with a 4*." It sets a terrible precedent for future characters and how they'll interact with the existing cast. When the next character is in beta test, and they have strong synergy with an existing character, now we gotta worry that Mihoyo will pull some shit to make them not work together so they can fill the hole later? I can't wait for more characters that can't properly utilize the existing characters in the game, and have frustrating limitations built into them to limit their team comps.
That isn't even to mention that the characters' descriptions *being wrong on release* isn't nearly brought up enough. There are people that pulled on this character, spent money on this character, because they read the talents + constellations and reasonably concluded her Q would work with Beidou's Q. That the pairing of those two would be strong (and apparently it very much was in beta). They built Beidou for the sake of pairing her with Raiden, or if they already had a built Beidou it would obviously factor into their reasoning to pull. Then after they pulled, they find that it doesn't work, and rather than actually address the issue Mihoyo says "oh actually that's how it was supposed to work, here's 100 gems." If you don't think that is absolute bullshit, then you're really drinking their Kool-Aid. It's literal false advertising, and even Mihoyo knows how bad of a look it is when they weren't even honest enough to actually mention Beidou's burst by name in their explanation post. Instead they brought up a completely irrelevant effect like the 4pc Bloodstained Chivalry effect.
"Well I don't use Beidou so why should I care?" And what about the next character that you'll really be looking forward to, only to find that they suddenly have no synergy with the characters you were looking forward to pairing them with the most? An on-field hydro applicator who can't work with Xiangling, new DPS characters who inexplicably can't trigger Xingqiu's rainswords but want hydro application. A pyro character with CC who also wants to proc overload, yet can't work with Fischl. A character that wants to support characters with high energy cost bursts, whose kit works better when those bursts belong to Electro characters, yet inexplicably doesn't work with half of those characters. Oh wait, that last one is just Raiden.
Lastly, I feel like "the literal God of Electro should work with an Electro DPS character whose kit seems tailor-made for her" isn't exactly a huge stretch.
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Beidou is the problem Baal is fine. She has a great F2P weapon and a universal set to work with changing her back literally means she gets a huge nerf across the board just to work with a characte you dudes are whining about
TRUE!!! This should be pinned. I agree with that. That's false advertising tbh. They literally changed the description after official release lmao that's sus. Also, they should buff the Electro element in general. Yep.
@@DragonoftheDarknessFlame No. miHoYo's spaghetti code is the problem. And the way they worded the description. Also the element in general, so it also needs a buff. She has limited team comps even if she's a support-battery.
How would she get a huge nerf if what we're asking is for them to fix the Beidou Q and Raiden Q interaction?????? LMAO
2:06 "Mihoyo is pretty much dominating the whole art of introducing new characters and hyping them up to cosmic levels" says the guy only using capslock and uploading a "RAIDEN IS GODLIKE" video on her release...
Mihoyo already profited in the Ei's banner, they will think that players are satisfied with her and will just ignore issues but I hope this discussion still continues so that Mihoyo would really do something on it.
Right they can do that. But doing this repeatedly would hurt them in the long run. People will lose trust in the banners and won't buy until it is tested by others. And others might just drop the game. That's a move like biting the hand that feeds you.
@@Juice-chan man i ain't going to lie i might stop playing it if they don't make her kit more viable after farming the electro domain for 2 months and saving all these primos and dailies while being a f2p this is just sad even though i love her design i thought she was a archon so she would be powerful enough
@@samit5650 yeah her base C0 damage is not cutting it. They should have given her C2 into her burst already. That defense penetration is very needed. I don't have an issue if they add another 40% in the C2. Just give the people some power and Beidou interaction.
I had luck for 2-3 days in that Domain. Got several good pieces that I originally farmed for Beidou but now is on my Baal. I had enough to build almost a second set. But since than I get only trash. My luck is used up.
They'll propably buff electro just before a Raiden rerun, so they can profit again. Same thing happened with Zhongli.
Dude, this is the second Gacha game that you present me that I end up getting interested into. Thank you so much for bringing those games for us to see, also congrats on getting the sponsorship!!!
The real issue is that Mihoyo balances characters with all constellations and 5 star weapons in mind. Characters are not complete as shipped at C0 instead need credit cards to reach the actual design. But that's gacha games at its finest and greedy companies will be greedy. People have to stop swiping if they want actual change.
I mean I don't care that much
I don't mind, we are playing the game for free, I'd say it's loss for them. They work for hours and hours to make the game, while us have options to play it or NOT in exchange for nothing. I don't get quite being such a fuss about those things.
With all due respect, are you really gonna expect them to be generous? Playing a GACHA game?
If you really think they balanced characters like Eula, Hu Tao, and Ganyu around their C6 constellation and their 5-star weapons, I have a bridge in brooklyn I'd like to sell you. Eula alone could nuke an entire city block at C6. I really don't think they make world bosses and weekly bosses only to be one-shot by C6 characters. That is not balance. C6 is a luxury and the game is balanced with that in mind.
I don't care much about 5 star constellation. I would understand that constellation would make a character super op but they paid and earn for it so...
Imagine how the community will react when the hydro archon gets released due to how bad the hydro resonance is lol
Well raiden's release should set the expectation for archons in the future if mihoyo decides to lock important abilities behind a paywall. I doubt there'll be another archon like venti or zhongli in terms of utility.
Hydro at least have nice reactions. I don't think people will complain.
@@rodrigonunes3027 hydro is getting hard carried by Xingqui lol.
If he wasnt as good as he is ppl would be crying about hydro buff rather than electro
Hydro have the access to Vaporize to do big damage. Just look at Childe lol. If the hydro archon is a support/sub-dps, she better surpass Xingqiu. We already have enough healers 🙃
Well at least Hydro have accest to Vaporize and Freeze reactions. The most electro can do is Electrocharge which isn't really that bad but not good either and since Electro can't crit it's like your stats that you've been grinding for months is useless on a Electro character unless if your Electro character is physical build then nothings really great for Electro reactions.
Everyone keeps asking for Beidou to work with the shogun, while we have characters like Yoimiya who doesn’t even work with herself. Now I understand that we would like a fix to the archon and electro as a whole, but let’s not forget the other characters that have issues.
This is true. Yoimiya, Qiqi, Xinyan, Amber and possibly Kokomi soon. They all have design flaws that make them clunky and underpowered.
It would be wonderful if these issues were addressed, but I’m not going to hold my breath.
Mihoyo’s design philosophy is to prioritise releasing characters, events and patches on a strict schedule above all else. They seemingly do not see the value in buffing or fixing old characters except in the case of Zhongli.
These are just some characters tho not a whole element an element not being effective and it's power being weak is more important than trying to fix some characters let's look at the whole picture the more electro characters that come the more the problem will grow
Can u explained bout raiden and beidou?
@@haanabeel6477 The issue people are complaining about is how Raiden's burst doesn't trigger Beidou's burst. This happens because Beidou's burst only triggers when NORMAL or CHARGED attacks hit. Raiden's burst normal and charged attacks are considered normal and charged at first, but the damage they deal are BURST DMG, not normal/charged atk dmg.
@@epicskrub730 xingqiu's ult triggers with normal attack animations. and it does work with raiden shogun burst. does that mean that xingqiu working with raiden shogun is a bug since it's a burst?
You know the element needs a buff when not even the archon can make it work.
they should give the sposition of elecetro archon to Beidou, she is the best electro character so far.
You know what's sad? We're never gonna get an electro buff. Buffing electro has been a notion since the game came out and they've never done it. The only time that I was hopeful they'd do it was when releasing Raiden Shogun but clearly it never happened. I've seen so many people predict when it'll happen. "1.6 for sure, 1.7 maybe, when they release baal for sure, when they release yae miko for sure." I've lost hope and I'm eternally frustrated. Sincerely, a Keqing main.
Prediction is nvr reliable lolz, the one last things u can wait is when dendro comes out, if by that time still nothing happens, then thats it. For keqing prob, unless they fix her scaling orelse she will nvr be stronger than the rest of electro characters.
They buffed geo a while after zhongli. Have patience
Its all about the timing my man, imagine if dendro and electro gives broken elemental reactions, then the dendro banner sales go to the moon, more money
Same I mained razor so there's not that much of a problem for me but I really want them to buff the electro resonances.
@@cwazytings electro is meh since the beginning of the game man,People have been complaining for a loooong time now, but i haven't lost hope ! (Copium)
Fellow Keqing main here
Needs higher dmg at C0, Electro needs a buff/rework overall and make her finaly work with beidou/traveler.
Aint that freaking hard....
I find it upsetting that most of her beastly power is locked behind C2…hmm guess this sets a new precedent for my expectations from now on for archons, I thought they would be powerful even at C0 like Venti and Zhongdong. I don’t like to use Beidou, but I would indeed like an Electro buff. I’m going back to play my Herrscher of Thunder lol.
I got her c3 im telling you its no big deal 40k more damage save your money and go for weapon cheaper and will give you like the same damage
@@funniestkross I can’t bruh, I ran out of primos lol xD My Ei will have The Catch once I get enough fish, till then Prototype Starglitter for her it is.
@@funniestkross lol, it's really a big gap. It boosts her damage by more than 80% compared with c0. you can check some videos on youtube
@@funniestkross 40k more dmg? Dude with c3 I'm hitting 450k on the initial slash and over 500k extra on the following auto attacks.
I still feel like she lacks damage even with c2 and c3. I don’t know if that’s because there’s no amplifying damage like melt and vaporize or her multipliers being not the best or high. Electro has higher multipliers because of the lack of amplifying reactions and has something in their kit to make up for it. But for Baal, it just feels so lackluster, and she just feels like she doing no damage, even with c2 and c3
I love her but she doesn't feel like an archon at C0 ngl. 🤔
This is too true😭
you are obviously playing her wrong if she doesnt feel like an archon to you
@@rotus9550 I don't think playing her is that complicated.
@@rotus9550 nah she's just underwhelming at c0. My Zhongli with bennett alone deals 150k on his burst. I use blackcliff pole, c0 and crowned ult. 55 crit rate 205 crit damage while my Raiden who is 1 level away from crowning her burst deals around 160k with Kazuha, Bennett and Zhongli. Yeah I know Raiden deals a lot of damage on her attacks when she's in her burst mode but if you think about it, you need expensive characters to make her good. My bennett gives 1300 atk buff and she only deals that kind of damage.
@@justafrogwearingasuit9139 You have a support character that can easily one cycle 95% of the bosses with her ult and some cheap support like sara and sucrose that also provides insane energy for the team and you are still complaining that she is not strong enough? It sounds like you want a character that can kill everything in one hit but where is the point in playing if a character is completely broken and makes everything a joke?
Hopefully this rage translates to a buff or at the very least an electro buff I'm just letting people be mad and hope it creates positive results for me through no effort of my own.
Electro need a rework instead of a buff
Thanks so much for helping me understand her mechanics in your previous videos it really helped!
Electro definitely needs a buff
Go tell that to the feedback thingy in Genshin I did my part you should too
Things mihoyo need to change:
1. EI's ult not compatible with beidou.
2. Change Bennet C6 or at least make a feature to deactivate constellations.
3. A fcking Kazuha and Sucrose can gather klee's bombs but a fcking anemo god's ult can't do shit to them.
honestly they should've just made raiden a DPS with sub-dps/support capabilities and not the other way around.
I was actually thinking about this too and would have preferred this overall. For people like me who likes keeping Ei in the field all the time, it would have been better if she was a dps with support capabilities. But maybe thats just me haha
@@ashtil8322 we are both the same, I like to play with Her more alot and what to make her a good dps or support. If only her multipliers were a bit more high and her Ult had a more duration for sword mode she would become alot better
No. We can't keep making characters the same all the time. She's been designed well, but it's exposed flaws in other aspects
@@slimstrait780 so hear me out right, what genshin want is specific elements to do a single job for eg: Pyro for damage, Geo for sheild, Hydro for heal, Anemo for movement or CC and Electro as battery. But what people want is flexibility, this is a single player game so why limite the possibility of playing a character with certain element out of bounds and push to their limits and use their full potential.
@@Rustu-rc1fp people want every single unit to be able to slot into whatever comps they want and that's just not how the game works unfortunately. Xingqiu may be the premier pyro support for vaporize but he does not work well with klee because of how klee works. That's simply the reality of the situation. Not every single unit is going to work with each other and that's honestly totally ok because it means players need to get creative with their team comps rather than everybody just play the same things ( *cough* Bennett+xiangling for example). Not every single unit is going to be flexible. People want flexibility ? Then summon for those flexible units, but don't try and bring down other units that bring entirely new and unique aspects to the game just because you (figuratively speaking) want the game to be as boring as possible when it comes to figuring out synergies.
I just think it'd be unfair if the two previously released archons feel godly up until now while the current released archon just feels "pretty good"
she isnt even good lmao
@@klaviergavin5401 What makes things worse is the ones who say she's good are the ones with C2 and her ideal 5* weapon. Then there are those saying she deals more than their main dps. Who tf are you using bruh? Qiqi DPS?
@@epicskrub730 the ones with c2. full stop. her weapon at c0 doesn't make her that good even.
@@epicskrub730 LMAO not the dps qiqi
@@epicskrub730 me who uses r5 fillet blade on qiqi: 🙄
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Overload is underrated. Spiral Abyss enemies are hard to stagger, let alone knockback, so you can get a lot of damages from the reaction and the occasional stagger you will actually trigger might save you from a random hit. Chances are Nobushi's and Kairagi's nerf on their weight, which were nearly impossible to stagger in 2.0, is a way for MiHoYo to support this kind of gameplay.
Meanwhile I'm absolutely loving Raiden, slotted nicely into my team of Hu Tao, Bennet/Diona + Xinqui
Yep. My bf and I ran Emblem today--me for Raiden and him for Xinqui. I got a decent "starter" set so I can start trying her out in my world, and thus far I'm finding her super fun. She's running with Barbara, Tartaglia and Zhongli, though I may try swapping Barbara for Benny and see if Raiden's energy increase can help him have his circle enough to make me not be nervous to let go of my insta heals.
Same. She's already my strongest hitter and she's super fun to play.
@@kathycoleman4648 yeah you'll be fine to swap them! Especially if you stack ER on Bennett and use Raidens ultimate when at max resolve- you'll almost always have his ult up
@@brainmince1158 Every veteran Genshin player should know that Raiden decrease potential damage of that team comps compare if you use Anemio character that swirls and use VV
@Ahmad Halim cuz i don't have anemo character
I'm just gonna wait for Dendro and see if the powercreep dosen't happen since I'm maxing everything for Baizhu and Aloy
FINALLY
ANOTHER PERSON SAVING UP FOR BAIZHU 🛐
@@rayn724 yep been saving my pity 60 on the weapon banner so-
Pretty much gonna main him as a DPS XD
@@wolvenwolfdogservices same, now we just have to wait until he comes out 💀💀
Pls tell me Dendro + Electro will be busted af. Like 3x multiplier and aoe. Kek
they’ll probably make dendro boost all other elements to help deal more elemental damage or something like that. if not it’ll probably only be good w pyro characters for the burning effect. i can’t picture dendro having an elemental reaction w anything other than pyro, it wouldn’t make sense pairing it w other elements.
really digging the usage of characters in the serenity teapot
She's probably the only character I worked my ass off to get and I'm glad she did arrive and now I'm glad my hard work wasn't wasted
150% multiplier damage on attack that triggers reaction, then Superconduct+Phy RES down Debuff
150% multiplier damage on attack that triggers reaction, then Electro-Charged+Element RES down debuff
Electro character gets happier!
it's so weird how the player base treats electro like aren't y'all tired of seeing the same two elements every single update? I think part of the reason why she is so popular is that she finally isn't a pyro or cryo character she's finally something different and I think we could at least approciate that
The biggest problem with Raiden is that she is a good and balanced character and doesn't completely break the game like Zhongli and Venti. She is a healthy addition to the game but because of Mihoyo's past mistakes it makes her seem bad
"mihoyo's past mistakes" don't you mean their past mistakes combined with the community's obsession with wanting every new unit to trivialize the game more than the last?
Even if they are past mistakes, it still sets a bar up, incredibly high. I agree that she seems reasonable, but "there's just better" is an argument you can't escape. Mainly: Electro isn't good enough (In abyss basically). Most people complaining about it are talking about abyss since overworld pve is trivialized even with 4 star characters. For all I know it's not even Raiden and her C2, it's just that electro in itself is very lackluster, ESPECIALLY against shields.
@@henriqueantunes2019 I agree, all those OP mofos like Zhongli, Venti, hu tao etc should get nerfed in the ground imo
@@iuel42 or just raise raiden..? Those characters are strong because they're limited 5 stars and 2 of them are gods. They absolutely should be op compared to 14 year old fischl who is a mortal human in cosplay. Yeah lol. Gods should be overpowered when compared to 4 stars because that's just how it works. I'm glad you dont make the laws because changing them would be robbery and it's illegal, you cant see how wrong that would be to do?
@@paradis0744 One of the best DPS in the game is a little girl chef with a bear. Characters are not lore-accurate gameplay-wise, otherwise this would be an entirely different game lol
Raiden is the first character i really take a note on the character kit detail so far because it has a different requirement for it to work, like how to trigger her skill or how the burst actually works and others
Raiden is a really fun and flexible character and i enjoy it mostly on the overworld exploration 😁
I have every archon and she feels like a good 5 star for me, not really archon level. Which feels wrong considering she is supposed to beat the shit out of Kazuha. My Kaeya still keeps his spot in my team.
Changes to electro reactions:
1) take EM from highest supplier, not the one who triggers a reaction
2) allow electro reactions to crit, taking into account crit stats
that way they are still independent of attack, but will deal way more damage and EM can be used reliably
I *_still_* find the interaction with Beidou as weird since Xingqiu has an almost *identical* trigger for their interaction with _his burst BUT HIS _*_WORKS_* with Beel! That's what's so frustrating about the whole situation. They need to pick one or the other, it works with all things considered a normal attack or not. Not "it works on somethings that see it as a normal attack and not on others for no discernable reason" (and no, neither burst cares about the type of damage dealt, the wording on Xingqiu's and Beidou's Bursts are both concerned with normal attacks *hitting* NOT the type of damage those attacks do).
Beidou's triggers on the connection of Normal Attacks. Xinqiu's triggers on the attempt of Normal Attacks.
1 of these involves an instance of damage being applied (a registered hit on a shield counts too since normal attacks deal damage to shields despite no numbers appearing), and the other only involves an animation going through. The difference between the 2 skills is written within their descriptions too. It's not obvious, but it is there which means this isn't some fluke or mistake in the interaction between the abilities with no in-game explanation available.
With XQ burst you can swing in the air and the swords will still activate but not for Beidou but I understand what you mean both needs a "normal attack" to trigger the burst, Raiden's burst are considered Burst and not "normal attacks" as they tried to explain so it is fair that Beidou's burst don't work, but if that is the case XQ shouldn't work too because its supposed to be triggered by normal attacks and not burst attacks.
I really hope they change it so Beidou's burst works because its crazy how they are so made for each other on paper, Beidou has a high energy cost and is Electro so raiden C1 makes it crazy good and Beidou's burst is great for off field DPS and even shred elemental res at C6 meanwhile raiden compensate for the High energy cost.
@@Shikatsuyatsuke actually shields taking damage doesnt count as damage. You can tell this by neither albedo or raiden proccing on shields when they trigger specifically on damage. Beidou just needs to hit. Damage is its own completely separate trigger. So while yes they are worded differently, it still doesnr justify beidou not triggering considering raiden overrides damage, beidous trigger is independent of damage, and raidens swings are still normal attacks. Therefore if theyre hitting and theyre normal attacks, conditions met, damage type shouldnt matter. XQ triggering proves theyre still normal attacks despite being coded to deal burst damage.
@@Grim_Bud Fr, when i got Baal my immediate thought was " Holy shit, she's gonna go so well with Beidou YESS "
Lo and behold, it doesn't work..
Overall she's balanced (although some teeny tiny buffs would be appreciated) but they better make her compatible with Beidou soon cuz Baal is just so incompatible with most comps cuz of her E skill
The first 2 replies says it all. I don't have baal but you should compare baal/beidou with baal/electro traveler.
If you have baal you can try using baal with electro traveler if she can trigger travelers burst there's clearly a problem with baal if not, I think there's no problem with her burst.
Thank you for all your videos. I really appreciate the thoughtful information and realistic view of spending money on the game. You work hard to feel like every character you pull is a great usable character.
I pulled assuming she would work with my favorite character, Beidou. Knowing that she doesnt work with my favorite character i wouldnt have pulled. but here we are. She better be changed.
You forgot the part where Xingqui's Blades do activate when raidens burst attacks, And it's said to only proc on normal attacks
you broke this down so well
man the community is getting more and more toxic as the game goes on kinda sad ppl just need to relax
But the community like this makes the game more alive, even tho it looks kinda "toxic"
I have NO idea why the spiral abyss is even considered when testing a character since 9/10 times you either completed it or have 0 interest in it and find it boring(I am part of the second category). I get that some people haven't completed it but you can just use ANY OTHER CHARACTER to get ahead in the abyss if Raiden isn't working.
It would be pretty sick thou if mihoyo
would let beidou's burst work with raiden's burst
I just think that 1 pull of her is good for now. If she gets a buff, I hope it's not game breaking but balanced and reworked slightly but not crazily. I love her abilities
The community is at fault here, not Mihoyo. Imagine thinking that EVERYTHING in a BETA BEST will be released as it is. LMAO
Sad thing is this whole drama overshadows the biggest problem I have with Raiden that is critical and no one cares. Chakra Desiderata does not disappear after combat which makes exploration annoying. You can't enjoy Raiden looks because of this abomination constantly behind her.
Im the guy that maxed out Zhongli Q to 10 the first day i got him in 1.1 and enjoy him so much admist the drama.
I would do the same for Raiden but fixing Beidou would be a great QoL and way to redeem Mihoyo. Other than that their repu will be on a huge huge landslide from now on.
kokomi is waiting to burst that bubble
fyi Zhongli's Q is unchanged pre and post buff.
@@fenrir3097 it scales off hp too now
i would love for mihoyo to go for the ridicously high power force for the electro element instead of buffing reactions
something like making the resonance buff your Ult dmg%
and buffing some other ratios like Keqing ult so electro can be the most effective to use on mono element teams
Tf they mean baal needs a buff? She literally kills dvalin with little efforts
The thing that bothers me the most about the Beidou fiasco is: Why does XINGQIU'S burst still work? XQ's ult is also listed as triggering with normal attacks, but Raiden can still proc his hits just fine.
Because his ult doesn't need to deal damage to trigger, beidous does. So you only need a basic attack that doesn't deal damage to trigger xing. With beidou it requires normal attack damage, and since baal is the only person where the attack counts as burst damage, it doesn't work. The only way to fix this would be to change how beidou works. Because baal can not be both normal and burst damage and if she was reverted back to normal the catch would be not only useless but baal would deal much less damage overall.
Now that I have seen the video, I completely agree with what is stated. The Raiden Shogun is one of the very best batteries in game, plus it does have a very good background story. I'm still building her for usage, however most of my friends were disappointed to say the least on regards of her performance on Abyss. I, in all honesty, like the design and that's why I pulled her xD
I also agree. I saved up 17k primos for her so I managed to get her to c1. I also pulled for her weapon and already had a 4set EoSF ready. I got her to 90 already, and managed to clear abyss with her, but I can't help but think that it was more thanks to my team comp (Raiden/Bennett/Xingqiu/Xiangling) rather than Raiden herself. Still, I'm having a blast playing with her and do not regret pulling for her
remember to not blame them for not liking her
@@__-uk3qx nah, I don't. They are based after all. I simply enjoy the game for the lore, exploration and story more than Abyss n.n
@@memus3852 gigachad o7
honestly speaking, her bis weapon kinda gives a huge change of flexibility to her artifact builds as well as burst rotations. If you have been running a team that could sustain their own energy, you can really focus more dps on raiden while filling up the lost energy gap. The catch is also good which is somehow on par with skyward spine at r5. Other than the synergy issues with beidou as well as the electro element, I personally find that many people couldn't seem to slot her in the right team to maximize her potential.
perfectly summarized, thank you.
The amount of people who want Raiden do big pp dmg is laughable. Electro Element as whole needed buff. Imo, Raiden is good as she is now. You dont have to use her Q when full stack. Shes fine..
why r u complaining if its a buff and not a nerf being requested? its a win for us and also no loss either aways
@@Lycoriste ???? Baal is fine as she is now, Electro element does need buff, idk what copium are u on. There is no bad character, only bad player. Lmao
@@Clourie i never said she needed a buff im just saying theres no reason for us to call ppl out for complaining abt raiden since theyre the ones who give us a chance at a buff and if its a buff theres no reason for us to complain
@@Lycoriste so you're saying "she dont need buff, but we need to complain she need buff.." lmao.. okay bruhhhhh.
i do get some of the complaints but i think raiden fits the game really well, she's a great support/battery and even when it comes to dps, she can deal really good damage, i managed to get somewhat decent artifacts and im already starting to see good results, overall i think raiden is perfectly fine the way she is rn.
Her support capabilities , both her E and her energy regeneration are lackluster , if they are buffed along with her interaction with beidou, they can get away without increasing her dmg or reworking/buffing electro
A great buff for Electro would be adding +25% Energy Recharge on Electro Resonance
This would be specially great for Raiden
No reason to care for power creep *if they go back and rebalance older characters and weapons.* Don't worry about power creep. Worry about miHoYo not caring about old characters and weapons.
why not both???
imagine you put zhongli, mona, keqing and baal in one team
ult animation for the whole battle
patiently waiting for the buff for raiden
Interesting name
C0 Raiden is simply meh
And the main reason is Electro, they really need to buff Electro & Electro Resonance
And i think most people are salty about Raiden is because most of her power is locked behind an early Constellation like her C2
If her C2 was actually C4 or C6 people wouldn't be this salty
And then her wep gives soo much power compared to any other wep.
Basically her DPS capabilities are locked behind paywall while Supporting capabilities are good but nothing to write home about
I don't care about what other people say. I enjoy playing her. Totally enjoy playing this game. I'm having fun with my friends and that's all matters for me.
Same, and tbh you only need your characters to reach an average power to enjoy the game. None of them need to be full blown 5* weapons equipped, full lv, full talented to be "strong enough" to play. It's only matters to Abyss spiral grind which is only primogems grinding to get more characters to grind for. Chasing all of that is tiresome.
I have most of my characters at lv 70, have no 5* weapons and put into my team whoever i like, following no strategy whatsoever. And that's fun enough for me to go messing around with partner.
(And tbh if i just gonna destroyed everything in one shot with an OP character it just makes the game more boring for the both of us)
They should just make electro resonance to be 15% Def shred. That'll solve most of the problems I think..
Yes.
The underlying problem is that electro needs a buff, not raiden
@@astweiss then what use does the current electro resonance do? little to none
@@astweiss so you think electro is a good support?
@@astweiss is it as good as the others support element like melt, vaporize, or swirl?
@@astweiss the main question here is which one you prefer, why would I use electro resonance when there's better alternatives. Battery is a solvable issue, since all you need is a character that generates a lot of particles. Again why would I sacrifice 1 resonance slot when I can use that slot for other resonance that has better utility, hell I might even pick hydro resonance over electro resonance.
I also hold the unpopular opinion that electro doesn't actually need a buff. I also kind of understand where Mihoyo is going with the Beidou interation with Raiden, but it is also true that it is counterintuitive. I'm just wondering if allowing Beidou to work during Raiden ult will make the duo irreversibly broken so as to break the balance of the game? If not, then I agree that Mihoyo should just succumb to this player demanded change if it doesn't hurt the overall balance. One thing that Mihoyo definitely needs to invest more into is their script writing department and translation department, to avoid more misunderstandings and dramas caused by untimely communication and confusion in the descriptions of character skills.
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I wish there was a banner for the starter folks. I would love to have a C6 Lisa, Kaeya and Amber! 😁
So no one will talk about that low Elemental Skill Multiplier?
Like 2k Dmg well built with 4 star weap, 4k+ with Engulfing Lighting.. That seems normal to all of you? When there is someone out there like Albedo hitting 11k even faster?
And Albedo doesn’t need time in field to deal damage/buff your team.
Anyone else just having fun playing with the Shogun and not complaining at all....
Or is it just me? But I can’t deny electro element is at a rough spot.
I mean should we really be fine with this situation? If we don't complain now they will just make shit characters with bad kits but more waifu like to get money.
@@FenrirAlter IMO the Shogun’s kit is fine but yes the misinformation about beidou and even her e skill not working in shields can be pointed out.
Idk for me complaining is fine but making it out of proportion is too much.
if we don't complain that mihoyo earning Billions they will make another character that exceeds archon like for example Amber is higher than Ei because of her kits is Bad even if she's an archon but they will make it waifu.
@@dezslan2110 Yes I do believe complaints is fine but I’ve seen that some people are making it a huge deal and making it out of proportion.
what. if you complain and not make it a big deal how do you think mihoyo would acknowledge the problem with raiden and beidou?
Thankfully I got my constellations on Eula rather than raiden. Raiden is good for dmg but mostly just fueling my Eula. Eula will never get replaced in my opinion she's just way too good and Raiden is her perfect support
Raiden's animation sequence is amazing.
The Beidou interaction SHOULD be fixed, and her burst stance could be increased to 10 seconds, but I love her as is. But buffs for Her Eternal Excellency would be cool
I feel like *every* character comes with somekind of drama at this point, it's getting a bit silly. You'd almost think people *want* powercreep to happen...
Then they'll be the first ones bitching about said powercreep should it happen. Community's a literal joke that doesn't know what it wants at this point.
@@justsomeguy727 Exactly. But I guess this is inevitable with such a massive playerbase - someone's always going to be bitching about something.
Electro has always been my favorite element.
Without Archon title she's just regular 5*. But due to the title people expect something more from her. I have her C0 i do the pocket money to C3 her but is not worth the money atm for me, to spend on the character only excel in limited role.
I agree, the other two are CAPABLE of being built as solo DPS even if they aren't gonna be great at it and are better suited as supports, THEY still CAN; Baal currently cannot in any way, her skill DMG is so inconsequential, that it's only purpose is really just to maintain her slash attacks, I'd like to see it get at least a bit of a dmg-scaling boost, because right now, as an elemental skill, IT'S WORTHLESS, as a support ability, it's fine; and I understand people don't want every character to be buffed like zhongli every time a new character comes out, but at the very least ARCHONS should be able to get that kinda treatment, because they SHOULD be "the strongest" of their elements, and right now Baal is fighting for 4th strongest electro character with fischl, with Lisa being the only electro character she's blatantly better than
I think the constellation thing could be helped a tiny bit with a free handout to 1 chosen character for a single constellation increase. I'm not sure how often they could give it out without breaking the game, but this feature has been in other games such as epic 7, and it was a nice treat, but still kept people pulling for characters. This could be gated through events to keep people playing, and reward you for that. I'm sure this has instant flaws in it, it's a very rough draft of what I believe could help though. Sure, most characters REALLY shine at c6, but at least f2p and dolphins alike would feel better about their investment.
She kills so fast that i cant recharge my teammates…
the initial burst is hitting for 120k and I don't even have my artifacts leveled because my artifacts are bad xD... I can't wait...
raiden has been my first ever 5 star character. as someone who barely ever pulls, has never had a 5 star, and has a mainly cryo/pyro team, i have no issues with raiden. electro reactions could be stronger but she still crushes imo
And you know your opinion is wrong because you started off saying you have no idea what to compare her too lmao. Trust the people who know what to expect, okay? I have 15 five stars and raiden with her weapon, she fucking sucks right now for a lot of reasons and does such little damage that she takes the stage away from your main dps, but the way shes meant to be played is having her almost constantly on field. But the damage is not good lol, she doesn't work right compared to other 5 stars and the fact that shes an archon is really disappointing
The beidou thing is intersting since xingqius ult works wt raidens ult soooo
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I do think we should also put the comparison with Childe, when he’s in melee stance, all the normal / charged attack also has its own damage multiplier in elemental skill talent, BUT Beidou still works in Childe elemental skill HIT..I think this should put into the argument also..For me, I think Mihoyo does not consistent and change / nerf Baal individually which totally unfair.
Childe melee is not elemental skill hit. It’s not buffed by Stringless. Only the riptide is elemental skill hit. His melee is normal attacks. That’s why Stringless only buffs his riptide and not melee. Rust buffs his melee autos. That’s why he can proc Beidou.
The fact that the description of Overload on loading screen is described as a "POWERFUL EXPLOSION" yet gets overpowered by vaporize which basically just hot air and melt which basically fkin ice that melted....
I'm really scared that mihoyo might do the same thing with the next archons
They're letting electro weak just so they can resell her on the rerun conveniently coming with electro buff
Finally , someone who has the same thought process like me
@@amaanfeeroze6050 but wouldn’t leaving it weak make players not want to get her on the rerun
haha true.. let see if they will rerun Raiden in the next 2/3 update..
"The whole Visual Eye candy" Yes Yes YESS "with the attack animations"... oh... well... that too I guess...
I got ei and her weapon. I'm using her now as my main dps. I don't care what people say as long I enjoyed playing and using her.
Pretty cool hearing someone saying that Electro is fun to explore with, walking around Inazuma getting free Electro charged with the beach is pretty cool
Electro characters should be immune to electro charged imo since they do it to themselves and have to constantly drain their hp fighting on beaches. There isnt any content where electro charged is like a bosses main attack or any situations where you would encounter this so it's not making any fights easier. Just less annoying.. ei loses half her health fighting in her own nation even after dodging everything lol
@@paradis0744 Hahah yeah, i've always hated how one has to use a shield to not get punished for using electro abilities on water(i always use Zhong for this), and how Barbara's E is a self-freeze fiasco- Ansd it's not like it such mechanics don't already exist in the game; the electro seelie applies electro to the character w/o causing electrocharged. The only immunity that exist rn built into the characters is Razor's and Beelzebul's Ults
Ngl, don't really have anything to complain about her, already used her even in the abyss and did a good amount of damage and got a few bursts out, even before actually buffing her skills, now I'm farming to get her to max
Play her more and you'll notice a lot of things could be better, especially considering how shes an archon but feels like an unfinished character.
The skill needs more damage, I should not be level 80 ascended with a skill that does 7k... really? Can it at least be 10-12k? Considering how during burst cooldown that's all she can really do
The burst itself needs 2 buffs, it needs to be in an aoe around her and not just in front. Nothing is worse than having it miss because she turned to another enemy or the enemy moved. That's like 70% of her damage out the window. Secondly, either buff the scaling of her burst attacks or extend duration by 2 seconds. Either of those would be a huge help to making her run smoothly
An easier and more interesting alternative buff would be that the eye of stormy judgment boosts her (only her) skill and attack damage too instead of just burst. That would fix a lot of her damage without much effort but still leave the burst unbuffed
@@paradis0744 I agree with the area of effect of the burst, not that much the other ones, in my view she is made to be a battery that can cause a few great numbers while resetting the rest of the team's bursts, but I wouldn't cry if she got buffs tho
In my view there will be even more characters in the future that will be energy hungry after all, and she will be a great addition to the collection when the time comes.
If they made her scale with energy recharge with everything like zhongli does, that would be really nice as well, after all, more damage is more damage...
No matter what anyone says I'm still fishing, only have 4star artifacts, still stuck at ascension 2