Zhongli and Ei are so tight lipped when it comes to Celestia, I think they're afraid of the consequences. Venti is the only one who explained to us about gnosis, gnoses, allogenes etc. and he also said that the water there sucks lol
it makes sense given venti’s commitment to freedom, he probably doesn’t care about the rules, meanwhile zhongli and ei see no reason to break the rules, and zhongli specifically would never break a contract, though as he says he is confident that the traveler will find the truth for themselves
Now it also makes sense why the Fatui make and use Delusions for themselves. Before this I always wondered why didn't the Tsarita just grant Cryo visions to the Fatui.
Well you could also theorize that the tsaritsa don’t want to use the power that celestia grants when her aim is to oppose celestia itself, putting aside 2 harbingers which have visions, childe and signora, we haven’t seen the rest of the 11 harbingers on whether they have visions or not.
@@MyAdam4321 Signora doesn't have a vision. Only a cryo Delusion. Basically she became the witch of flames and the first harbinger found her and gave her the cryo Delusion to soothe her burning
@@Ben-vg6ox honestly, I didn’t really understand her story because all we have is the crimson witch of flames artifact set for her story plus she has two phases, thus leading me to believe she has a either a pyro or cryo vision
She just really wanted that freedom to sleep and hide from the shrine maiden so Celestia was like: bro I get chu, I shall gib you da anemo, now you go brrr
Also if you unlocking Zhongli's ascension voice over, you got the clue that even Zhongli doesnt really know how Vision work despite he is the oldest one and knowledgeable. He's also reminiscing someone who already knew about it beside him.
@@mabilleaudrey2154 Archons don’t need a vision to control the elements, Venti said that he used one only so that he would not be suspicious if he used his powers
@@mabilleaudrey2154 He didnt said anything about his vision at all. Little did i know is Zhongli's vision is also fake. Venti made his fake vision in exchange of the fake contract about slave trade things. I forgot i read somewhere in-game about Venti and Zhongli contract thing.
@@keripik6728 my BF had Zhongli and in his profile lines he said his vision helps him to control his God Power and lower it to be like a simple holder vision.
Makes sense when Kazuha reactivated the electro vision of his friend while literally fighting the Electro Archon. If Raiden had the power to deny it, she would have.
It probably of the word "protect" since the most electro vision holders are protected something that they have to. Just like razor stop/protect traveler before borea reach him, keqing use to protect liyue, Lisa use to protect jean, other people and mondstadt. Etc...
And so happen that the woman is as hot as the thunder archon? Whoever up there knew their priorities, I'm still punch em in the face with wake of the earth tho -_-;
Lisa is running away from what she found out about probably from Sumeru Like how Ei ran away from the physical/mortal realm to her spiritual realm of euthymia
Kazuha being a wanderer and free spirited having Anemo vision, But activating the Electro vision to not loose another friend and charging head on to defend us, has got to be the coolest moment in Genshin history!
I don't think kazuha DID activate the electro vision. At the same time, the speaker talks about how some ambitions outlive their owners. His friend's ambition was to see, or withstand, the Musou no Hitotachi, so I assumed that was his friend's dream activating the vision and helping. Very anime
So that means, rather than Kaeya being pitied and given a chance to live by the Tsarista, he was kept alive intentionally by Celestia, likely for a greater reason.
@Ayla Cato I don’t think Kaeya’s very interested in telling anyone about how he got his vision, even if his vision story is 100% true. Lisa and Xingqiu also have irregular vision casings (Lisa’s is oval and Xingqiu’s is different than every other Liyue vision); I’m not 100% sure if we know whether the visions spawn with the regional casing, or if it’s some sort of tradition for the chosen to place their vision into a regional case. In the second scenario, it fits Kaeya’s character to not give himself the proper Mondstadt case. In the first scenario it likely also makes sense that, given the idea that Celestia only granted Kaeya a vision to keep him alive, Celestia still wanted to spite or judge him by giving him an incomplete vision. It’s pretty interesting either way and I hope we get answers!
It is probably because he went against what he was supposed to be at that time. Kaeya was a spy. He shouldn't have said that he was a spy, but he said... so that is probably the reason why he got cryo vision there. Same as diona who hates alcohol but makes good alcoholic drink, or chongyun that is an exorcist but havent seen s ghost, or eula that opposes the ideals of her family
@Ayla Cato but, if i'm not mistaken, thoma is from fontaine, and his vision has the inazuma's encasing. That's an oddity: it might be that the case of the vision depends on where you are at that moment? really weird honestly
There is a theory about Tsaritsa's true intentions could be to cut the archon's tie with Celestia by taking away their gnoses, and the reason to why the Fatui are producing Delusions is to create an alternative version similar to Visions without needing to connect the user's ties with Celestia (since Delusions are man-made).
tsaritsa: you all need to cut ties with celestia! Venti: sure, i dont even like celestia anyway zhongli: Eh my gnosis isnt really important ill trade it if you want Ei: i already do that 500 years ago
Apparently scara said they initiated the decree in order to produce more delusions, yes they produced it but why are they distributing them to the resistance? My theory on this one is that having a delusion take away the ambition and life force of the first user is part of the process at making it a complete usable delusion. Diluc father's life force must have fed the delusion till it's completely usable for Diluc without harm later on. I'm wearing a tinfoil hat for this one btw
Makes sense, considering the fact that Venti was asleep during the time period when some Anemo characters got their visions (or was he awake?? Idk I might’ve gotten the Manga lore and game lore mixed up).
My theory is that the reason vision holders ideals tend to be somewhat in line with their respective archons' is because Celestia uses the Archons as templates and people with strong wills that also align well with an Archon can be granted a Vision, and because she spent so long in her plane, Ei is a bad template for modern mortals. Now that she is willing to step out of her personal plane more; she will likely change and thus be more like the mortals around her and vice versa so new electro visions incoming.
@@bingguo6172 Because meditating on eternity doesn't affect Celestia or the ideal. Likely the vision hunt decree was what made Celestia stop giving out electro visions because it goes against Celestia and might even against the ideal itself. Also since visions are not related to the region the vision bearer lives in (though they tend to be more in line with the ideal of their home nation) they probably don't have any way to just restrict a certain area so they had to completely stop.
I once heard that visions were speculated to be restraints rather than gifts. One of the reasons why Lisa suddenly “got a vision” because she’s speculated to be an amazing sorceress without a vision. Would also explain how Kaeya got a vision because I cannot explain why Celestia would possibly give one to him if they’re supposed to be gifts
I read his story about how he got his vision, and it happened when diluc and him got into a big fight about their father, and they started dueling each other Whilst in the battle with diluc, kaeya suddenly got his vision
@@Yammerzaki123fr he’s from khanriah. Known as the cataclysm that happened 500 years ago that the heavenly principles destroyed. You see where I’m coming from
It makes more sense to just take it as it is that visions are just a naturally occuring phenomenon that gives people with potential to become as gods actual power.
Well, Lisa surely wants her books to stay at the same place, in the exact same state, for eternity. And only gods know what will happen if you hurt her books
what about when Miko said people of Inazuma want Ei divine gaze….and Ei reply to that is “so they want Vision” doesn’t that mean the Archon still connected to granting vision or something along that line?
@@potto1443 Nope, they don't grant it but their ideals are what probably makes Celestia grant it. Before the decree she was in her plane of euthymia and after that she became indifferent to the real world, and didn't know much abt what was going on. Which was probably why there was no electro visions granted for that whole year because they can't see her gaze.
It's heavily hinted in the Japanese and Chinese version. Visions in Japanese is called ' Eye of god ' (神の目/Kami no me) and the Chinese also means Eye of god. So visions are a way of the 'gods' to keep an eye on 'ambitious' individuals. While a gnosis is called a god's heart (神の心/kami no kokoro)
@@-papah-7608 I think vision is a great name for it. The word vision can be someone's vision of the future, their dream, or ambition. A vision can also allude to the supernatural, the divine or mystical occurrence like seeing a vision of a god or prophet. A vision is also related to delusion in a way... as you could also call them hallucinations. I think the names are rich in meaning but in a different way is what I'm saying. I sort of prefer that naming convention as eye of God seems too straightforward.
Jup, in the german translation it's "Göttliches Auge" for vision, which means "Godly eye" and "Göttliches Herz" for Gnosis, which means "Godly heart". Oddly, just the english translation is different XD
@@moai4110 Well, we barely know about Makoto(Baal) so the fact that her personality was different from her sister Ei(Beelzebub) doesn't really mean they can't pursue the same ideal in different ways as they ascended to godhood together (unlike other arcons who introduced a new ideal as soon as they replaced previous divine figures in the region aka. Venti and Sumeru's archon), maybe for Makoto inazuma was already eternal by letting its magic trascend between changes, while Ei had a totally different outcome of Eternity when she lived by her own eyes the drastic change (her friends dying in battle and her sister being killed during the cataclism)
The second element is fate. Mona once said that all of the Vision bearers have their constellations on the night sky of Teyvat, perfectly predicting their destiny. Celestia has no need to monitor for potential Vision bearers, for their destinies are known in advance and their identities are probably predetermined.
I think Celestia wants the people of teyvat to think the visions are granted by the archons so that the seven have good will and the people more easily follow the archons and consequently obey celestia since the archons are somewhat controlled by celestia. Hence why they stopped giving out electro visions when raiden initiated the sakuko and vision hunt decrees, so that people wouldn’t get suspicious that she wasn’t the one giving out visions
I had my suspicion on this topic for a long time. Venti fell asleep after the cataclysm so how can people received Anemo vision. Ei's Gnosis in Narukami Shrine and her dialogue about Vision has prove it.
I always saw it as while Venti was asleep, he could still "see" the world and grant visions to those that interested him. But this new info debunks the granting vision part. I'm still sure Venti had some way to keep an eye on things while asleep
Well if you pay attention to new screen loading script, they actually talk about the vision. It’s say like this: “Rumor has it that when someone’s wishes are extremely powerful, the gods will peer down upon him, and a Vision will appear”. It’s indicate that the Vision really appear out of no where. Which means the “Gods” (I assume Celestia) directly bestow them with Vision.
In the loading screen, it states that tyvat has its own "laws". I believe it has something to do with how visions manifest. Kind of like the law of physics and thermal dynamics, elements are drawn towards particular sources under specific conditions. This is why elemental creatures of every type of element freely exist everywhere
Visions are given through one's ambition and I think the price they have to pay is to carry the burden of their ambition. When you talk to the man in the teahouse where you usually meet up with Thoma and Ayaka, he would say that relinquishing his vision made him feel lighter like something heavy is lifted from him.
The "other side to visions" that Ei mentions is, I think, deductible. Based on gnostic religion, God or Demiurge (in genshin, probably the Heavenly Principles) designed a series of "lesser gods" to control the people who had the potential to ascend to godhood (as all beings created by Monad, the creator of Demiurge and all humans, had this inherent capability if they cultivated their soul enough), and jail or hunt them, would they ever start taking the steps to ascension. Celestia gives out the visions, since they are probably a "tag" that enhances the persons own powers, making people believe that visions grant power, when in reality the bearers of visions were only given a little boost for an element in exchange for a permanent tag on their whereabouts and progress to ascension (unbeknownst to them, of course); this is also backed further by what happened with Kazuha (The vision didn't grant him the power, it just reacted to his own and boosted it for a moment). The archons probably just monitor their region, and send those close to ascension (like Venessa) to Celestia, which is most likely either a jail or a place where they get executed (this is probably why venti is depressed and hesitant about letting Venessa ascend in the webtoon, and also why he's always trying to avoid his duties and drowning his worries in alcohol). At least this is what makes most sense to me idk.
I think that the process in granting visions is similar to attaining a level up in DanMachi or earning a moniker in a famous character's backstory where a Vision is granted when the desire of a certain individual is strong enough to be recognized by the gods and they perform a great deed that wouldn't have been possible if they didn't follow that desire.
To me, the whole Gods giving Visions thing is a real world counterpart of Talent vs. Skill. Anyone can be skilled at something, but only some develops a vision. And therefore bloom true "talent" You can say our characters already had a Vision before the Gods even decided to manifest them into gifts. Xiangling didnt get her vision because she's good at cooking, she got it because of her idealism against tradition. Beidou didnt get hers because she won against Haishan, she got it because of her fight against countless failures. That's why if Visions get taken away, its like they lose a part of themselves, because it truly is. If a Vision holder dies, one can reawaken their Visions. In the real world we call them Spiritual Successors.
the thing about the matching ideals sound realy simple. Venti tells us that that vision users are potential gnosis candidates, so the fact that an archon has matching ideals with the vision users of his element is no big deal considering that they are on the same path just different in rank
I have long speculated that there was an "automatic" system...Venti was asleep for so long, first between the rebellion and Venessa, and then after the battle with Durin untill today. Yet there was no records of Anemo visions stopping to appear. It didnt make sense for Venti to be able to grant visions while unconcious and didnt know what was going on.
i feel that a visions element isnt defined by the corresponding archons ideas, but the archons ideas are defined by the elements itself, and people obtain their visions element that is closest to the elements ideas , rather than the archons itself.
I think we will find out more about celestia in the city of wisdom. So hyped for sumeru already. Maybe Cyno is a prophet of some sort and knows what celestia is doing and will enlighten the traveler
storywise too, sumeru is the midpoint of the story (chapter 4 out of 7 or 8). midpoints are usually where the biggest revelations or changes occur, so sumeru might be HUGE
I could already imagine a dark plot involving human experimentation by dotorre and the fatui. The dendro archon helps us uncover most of these, and it would great if the god of wisdom was a detective of somesort or perhaps a professor in sumeru academia
maybe cyno will help you explore a pyramid (and solve super tough puzzels lol) and in the king chamber you find the body of the god of woods who died in the cataclysm and in the chamber books revealing the truth of what really happened during the cataclysm (i believe sumeru will reveal things about the cataclysm rather then celstia and their goal, the later might happen in tsaritsa chapter of the last chapter with dien
I always felt this was the case as the characters always said "Favor of the gods" and not favor of the Archons, meaning that the Archons don't grant the visions.
"God" and "Archon" are used interchangeably throughout the game when refering to the Seven specifically. In Venti's cutscenes he's called the Anemo God *and* the Anemo Archon. The difference being that an Archon is a divine being and founded/ruled one of the nations of Teyvat while a God is simply a divine being.
visons are also granted when certain conditions are met for electro its to see world differnnt for ex fishcl thinks shes from other world and razor thinks hes a wolf the reason pyro vision is so dominating is beacuse the condition for getting pyro vision is very simple its to just have the passion to do something like xinyan on music or bennett being a good adventure
Also, I remember a thread on the wiki (Electro page I think) mention the similarities of the different vision holders. Electro people are often lonely/isolated. (Keqing - radical who doesn't believe in Rex Lapis; Fischl - chuuni no one really talks to; Razor - grew up with wolves and prefers them over people) Pyro users are usually passionate about something? (Amber - her job as an outrider; Xinyan - music; Xiangling - food) Cryo users are stuck in a situation (Kaeya - Khaenria, Mond; Qiqi - life and death, Rosaria - being a nun but being her). Geo users are stable and reliable. I don't remember the rest and I could be wrong, but their analysis is still there in the comments. So, if besides their desire and personality/circumstances, I wonder what else deems someone worthy of a vision.
I mean she didn't even had to say this though. Kazuha's friend's vision somehow awakened for Kazuha to use AGAINST Baal, who is definetly both that vision's regional and elemental archon. This means she had nothing to do with granting/awakining that vision for Kazuha to use.
Visions are granted by ambitions. And Kazuha only reawakened the vision because of the ambition its was born from was by his friend's will "to brave against the lightning's glow". So Celestia only has the power to grant but not to change the ambition.
@@moonknight7664 I don't think you quite got the point about what i'm trying to say. I'm merely stating the fact that the visions are definetly not granted by the regional/elemental archons of said visions. Even though Baal states the stuff in this video, we can clearly see that the Kazuha's friend's vision reawakaned when Kazuha was about to go against Baal. And Baal is both the regional and the elemental archon of said vision. Now correct me if i'm wrong but why would Baal reawaken a vision that would help someone go against herself. I don't think she is some mega-genius trying to plot something. It was already obvious that the visions weren't granted by their regional/elemental archons after this instance. The stuff in this video just confirms it.
So Visions are likely granted by Celestia but the element Chosen tends to align with the Current Archons Ideal. Well, this was a surprise. Lots like all those conspiracy theories on visions are firing up again.
"But the element chosen tends to align with the Archon's ideal." This is interesting. Ei (the archon) have been locking herself away from the world, preserving her *ideals of the unchanging.* And she said that the Vision Hunt Decree (which was started a year ago) got her *tacit approval.* The time when she approved the decree (well, not directly) was around the time Electro Vision stop appearing. Coincidence? Hmm? Hmm?
this should of been obvious, because when i started playing if Venti did grant them, why are there different elements? wouldn't Kayea, Diluc, Amber, etc all be anemo? So i had a feeling Archon's are just another level of Vision user, they are far more powerful thanks to Gnosis clearly is heavenly level probably granted by Celestia
@@kyotheman69 But gnoses are not like visions. The archons don’t need a gnosis to manipulate an element, it’s just a thing that connects them to celestia.
@@kyotheman69 more powerful thanks to gnosis, yes, but they aren’t another level of vision users but rather a literal manifestation of that element on a higher and different ceiling. Although they are gods, they are not considered “divine” to celestial and gnosis mainly serves as connecting their essence with celestial, possibly granting to them certain power like morax being mora creating ability. Thinking again, they are certainly like vision holders in some aspect, but they are not dependent on desires like mortals do.
Well, she mastered her ninja arts to you know... Be *free* to get more sleep and be taller, she attained the freedom to do so with her training. I know it's probably a joke but oh well...
"The god of wisdom's enemy is wisdom itself, and the oasis of knowledge is a mirage in the desert of ignorance" Maybe the destruction of khaenri'ah or celestia being had more to it on the next chapter, the false wisdom that written by gods for to cover up like what "sins" they make to wraith gods or is it just something that gods fear start to appear.....
Hyee, help me understand about this 50/50 thing please. When raiden banner came out, if you do not get raiden from the first spin, so you lose? And will never getting raiden in her current banner?
@@reaanne2803 no if you dont get raiden as your 5 star pity (the 50% chance for raiden 50% chance for a diff 5 star) you have to hit pity or get another 5 star on the limited banner to get the advertised 5 star character. Raiden in this case. the pity, and the 50/50 carry over on the limited banners.
Honestly the fact that Celestia can grant vision but if a vision is taken away from someone that person becomes lifeless seems more like a way for Celestia to control people with a strong will instead of helping them- The same goes with the gnosis for the Gods... it seems more like a mechanism to prevent them from using their power against Celestia than anything else.
That makes sense, there were reports that people aren't getting any electro vision for over a year since the vision hunt decree and the decree happened 1 year later, maybe if people's ambition were related to eternity maybe they'd get electro vision.
Makes sense. We know for a fact that fischl at the very least wanted a eternal childhood/imagination, keqing wants to uphold moraxs contracts for as long as possible, and beidou strives for a life of the sea (which on its own is eternal). As for Lisa, while I haven't dwelled too much into her story it could be that when she was younger (potentially when she was in sumeru studying or before that), she wanted to always be able to read for eternity
@@mr.applejuice8546 from this theory I imagine Lisa's pursuit of eternity is aligned with the fact that her life was shortended against her will, so I feel like her desire for eternity is the now, in the sense that she is still alive and wants to perserve her life so she has actively pursued simple, easy joys to keep this alive
Fischl is neglected child by her parents and have a imaginary friend Oz in other words she wan't a friend that can be with her for Eternity (As long as she's alive) Oz will be in her side forever Razor who witness his family wolves die and he wan't to be with them longer then the Wolf Spirit was suddenly granted to him and it is the manifestation of his Ambition (Kinda hard to explain) So for me your comment does have a point
That made we know actually people in teyvat can wield 2 or maybe more vision at once just like the Traveler. But under what circumstances? In my opinion, Perhaps when people has 2 or more ambition with different ideals they maybe can grant 2 vision but it most likely impossible to have that personality.
To be honest these archons have fought wars to obtain a seat among the seven. People that have visions can become archons so why grant keys to your throne. It’s not in their best interest to grant these visions.
If the visions are granted along the lines of the Archons desires, When Raiden started the vision hunt decree, granting visions stopped at the same time because she wanted to stop people having visions.
in yae's dialogue, she said that ei had "severed all ties with celestia" a long time ago, so maybe that had something to do with there not being any new electro visions being granted too?
That happened when she decided to seclude herself into her Plane of Euthymia, which was centuries ago. The lack of new Electro Visions have only been for 1 year.
I’m pretty sure that’s to do with her not using her gnosis as she doesn’t use it to be in contact with celestia anymore. But then again I’m pretty sure celestia can still give visions without an archons permission so it wouldn’t matter
My theory is that since people who get a vision somewhat agree with the views of the archon, when the sakoku decree started the views of raiden became so different that no one can think similarly
@@oh-noe he died too early. It might've been possible if he lived longer, but not all humans who has high ambitions get visions, so the motive is still kind of unclear.
an even more interesting fact is that nahida's dialogue about vision. while it is a riddle but i think this comes with a huge hint that visions might not be granted because only for acknowledgement, but also to look at the holder's movements.
weird fact I noticed while playing genshin: I always found it strange that our ults were powered from when our enemies die and some thing comes out and powers it but also it sometimes does it on its own does that mean it is similar to delusions and is killing us slowly? Since the power to charge the ult comes from the soul of the dead enemy?
"The other side", huh ? I wonder if it could be something like "the price to pay" that Zhongli mentions, or the part about Lisa : "with the aid of her Vision, Lisa acquired the knowledge she sought. But she also sensed the deep secret hiddden in the shadows of that knowledge. For whatever reason, the gods gave human the key to changind everything, but they did not explain the cost involved". I think it's hinted that vision have terrible cost , like sucking the life out from their owner so Celestia use it as an energy or something like that.
Glad what i believe since the first time i played was right. Vision was granted by celestia, just need a confirmation of what the criteria to receiving spesific element.
We’re forgetting the fact, we were told in game that delusions work properly if the wielder has an immense hate for something. Maybe Tsaritsa is trying to make the world hate celestia and become an army.🤷🏻♂️
I see it like this Celestia gods: "Oh, this person has an ambition about freedom, just like the current anemo archon Barbatos. We'll give that person an Anemo Vision"
There is so much conflicting information concerning visions For example, In Klee's dialogue about visions, it states that a vision is a gift from Barbatos to say, "Well done." From this dialogue, we can deduce that: A - Visions are granted by whatever deity presides over the territory B - The presiding deity can grant any elemental vision they desire C - That more than one Archon is involved in the granting of visions D - The element of a vision is conducive to one's personality *NOTE* If B is true, then C and D cannot be true. And if C is true, then B is not true, nor is D. Lastly if D is true, Then A is also likely true. From Venti's dialogue about Visions, We learn that Venti can make us a Vision just like his. Now, if this is true, then we know that Venti can make Visions, however, we don't know whether or not Venti can determine the element inside a vision. In Archon quest Chapter 2 Act 1, The traveler states that the Mikage Furnace is where Venti must have gotten his "Vision." These 2 pieces of information conflict with each other meaning that it is possible that neither one of these statements is correct. From Zhongli, we learn that Visions are also a type of contract, meaning that both parties must agree upon terms. These terms may differ from person to person, and it is also worth considering that the terms of this "contract" may well determine the element of the vision in question. Finally, we learn from The Raiden Shogun that she was not aware that electro visions were no longer being administered. However, nothing says that visions stopped appearing in Inazuma. From this, we can learn that another possibility is that Visions are granted by Celestia. However, assuming that they are administered by Celestia, it seems rather odd that either the Gods didn't notice that Ei was taking visions away, or they simply didn't care. In the Archon quest Chapter 2 Act 3, Yae Miko says the following: "What your people want from you is not your promises. They want your attention... your divine gaze (refering to visions). This would suggest that Archons do administer visions after all. In the end, the fact is that we simply do not have enough information to come to one solid conclusion. We will just have to wait for more future content in order to find out.
It's worth noting that Klee is a child, and probably not the most reliable source of information to go off; same goes for most other characters honestly. I'd say that other than Venti, Zhongli, Raiden or any other Archon characters (which obviously don't exist yet) will be the only sources we can trust to have a true account of what happens. Regarding Venti's vision dialogue, you've got that a bit wrong too. When he tells us that he can create us a "Vision" he's referring to a fake trinket that he uses to pretend he's a regular Vision holder; proof that the Vision is fake is from a past event where Visions would light up when near certain things and you'd use this to track them down. Since the Traveller can also use elements without a Vision, he was basically asking if they wanted one too for avoiding awkward questions.
I think yae was talking about releasing the visions in the statue, also yeah it’s really confusing but Klee is like ten, and like most characters who are not gods, can almost never be trusted about visions. Also, how did ball put 99 visions in like twelve slots. Can archons alter vision appearances? I don’t know, something I though was interesting.
Human's or regular allogenes are not a regular basis or a reliable source of information about visions as they don't know how the divine works, thats why there's no much point to watch over what they have to say because their experiences with their visions will end up contradictory in the most of cases, you have Klee who thinks its a blessing from Barbatos, Keqing who thought Morax was mocking her by granting her a vision she didn't want, Noelle who thinks she wasnt dilligent enough to receive Barbato's gaze (an anemo vision), Xiao who thinks he was not judged the same as mortals when he received his anemo vision.
@@ThKvhh You are right there however the reason that I am highlighting Klee is that she is not the one saying it is a gift from Barbatos, the one most likely saying that is the traveler. It's more of what the traveler believes, not Klee.
This changes everything. So now we can say that the Archons are just puppets and figureheads to play a part in Celestia's game of chess. Archons have power but not absolute authority where visions are a concern and with the rules of the world. Imagine the demigods and magical creatures that use to exist Celestia used them all as a means to an end.
My theory is, the reason why tsaritsa hoarding these gnosis because she try to make the copy version of it, like the delusion version of gnosis. Since each gnosis have their own unique, she cant just rely on her own gnosis to make the copy version of it, thus why she try to get her hand on the sevens gnosis.
Celestia lets you unintentionally answer the "Which of the Seven Archons are you?" survey on your day to day lives and bases the vision they grant you on the result of the survey.
The idea that raiden shogun or archon themself granting specific type of vision are theory by Sumeru npc in game, in otherword before these shogun statement thats our source of information by mihoyo, but now its cleared
i feel like electro users are given to unique people -Fischl being delusional -Lisa being a prodigy -Razor being raised by wolves -Keqing saying we dont need archons -Sara being a Tengu general when they're known to hide instead
Imo it fits better to raidens ideals if you look at it that way: - fischl wanting to keep her own world forever - lisa wanting to live longer - razor to protect his lupical - keqing maybe wants liyue to be prosperous and growing forever? - sara is self-explanatory, follows the shoguns will in every case
Or people with duality: - fischl the persona and the unnamed girl that she was born as - lisa before sumero and lisa after sumery - the truth of the world/visions, (also hides like Ei in her room) - razon as a human and as a wolf
Also with the vision is based on an archons ideal is probably true as all the characters that have the same element are all similar Like how all pyro characters when they got their vision were very passionate and optimistic, or how cryo characters have family issues probably since cryo is God of love apparently
@@idonotpost1456 If they're based on Ana Schariac then they were likely part of a tragic love story. If they're based on Bronya Zaychik then they were likely forever separated from family members. Either way "tragic love" would be a consistent theme.
cryo people are those who feel unloved.. useless and basically just hate themselves lol. speaks for why kaeya got his cryo vision when diluc was trying to kill him since he just lost his only "Family"
That really makes sense about how it always said that visions aren’t blessings, but curses. Lisa for example explained too how she doesn’t use her vision much for curious reasons and it scared that it might go do things on it’s own- And how albedo wants to uncover all of it’s “secrets”??
I think there is more to the way Lisa obtained her vision. The way I see it, she was such a knowledgeable and talented scholar/mage that she was able to obtain a vision by herself, likely not given by Celestia but taken from Celestia. And the reason why she became afraid of what she now knows about vision, is something like Kaenriah where the Gods smited down the nation. Like she has displeased the gods, and might also suffer the same fate because what she has done is an arrogation of human. And maybe perhaps, that too was Kaenriah. They were able to tap into power without the approval of Celestia.
Everyone’s talking about how ppl are given visions for the element that lines up with an archons personality, but what if the personality requirements were already there, and the gods chose archons that already fit the template (so for example, venti was given wind cos he’s a god of freedom, he wasn’t the one who chose freedom to be a requirement of wind) It might explain why gods have a bunch of domains, venti was already the freedom god before he was the wind god. Mora was already the contract god before he was the stone god. They chose the gods that already matched the element.
But this means that the Archon War is fake which is obviously not true. As far as I remember, Archon war was due to some of kind of gifts, which can be given by seven of them only.
Baal doesn't want people to wield a vision because vision wielders are "the chosen" by Celestia, If the people deceases their souls will ascend to Celestia. You can read more about Celestia & Visions in Manga, Venessa ascended to Celestia and inside that, you'll see *ALOT* of somekind of rooms
Same. Take Xiao for example, he's been suffering for eons. We can assume that he desires to be FREE from his duty of countless slaughter. Freedom and Venti's theme (?)
@@hayyeh7795 Hi, im not trying to be rude here but i’m pretty sure Zhongli didn’t give birth to Xiao. Zhongli saved Xiao(Alatus) from another god and renamed him Xiao.
In the Ars Goetia, Paimon is the one who grants visions. Though its more literal in terms of future sight style visions. And she's following around a person who doesn't need visions to obtain the elements. Not saying she's why the traveler can access the various elements, but maybe Paimon is following him/her due to being an anomaly and wanting to know why. Plus remember how surprised she acted when Zhong Li mentioned how the Gods gave visions? Like she wasn't exactly agreeing but more like "Ah, is that right?" Just saying.
So… the Fatui wants to overthrow Celestia… The Abyss Order also wants to overthrow Celestia… I guess I could most certainly predict what’s happening in the future…
what if abyss order survived destruction because they serve celestia ? our traveller is on side of teyvat and archons ... tsaritsa is archon seeking destruction of celestia for some crimes evil twin say we are on wrong side = since he/she leads abyss order it likely means abyss order is celestia pawn ... enemy of archons ... wh y would dain fight abyss order ? .... exactly if they promised loyalty to celestia and mutated in process ... they would be ones he failed to protect .... but also traitors from his view
I’ve been saying this from the start of the whole game, and yet people who pays zero attention to the story keeps saying that archons grant visions. I mean like come on, Zhongli doesn’t even know who albedo and noelle are, raiden shogun has no business of granting a vision to beidou when haishan has no relation to inazuma whatsoever. Yup, someone here clearly blindly accepts the story as fact, not to mention never having read any other lores, keeps on pushing that we should trust a researcher who doesn’t even have a vision.
You know how genshin fandom is, the memes are more important to them than the canon to the point of wide and extreme misinformation. Good thing that some people who are really interested in lore sees this
"Haishan has no relation to Inazuma whatsoever" It just so happens that Baal and Beidou both have the distinction of killing a sea serpent with one stroke. You're right about everything else, though.
yeah thats why I always thought that the archons of each nation were giving visions only within their nations. I just didn't get why Archons would give visions to those in regions that aren't their own. I feel like the fact that Venti was sleeping for ages is such a forgettable part of the story that I didn't think about it and so didn't question my theory. This idea clearly makes the most sense, and I feel makes the whole idea around visions even more interesting
It make sense. Ningguang just awaken a vision she found (or idk where really) the thing i can confirm about vision is if youre worth of it,then you can have it
*Please remember that this is just a theory everyone, and it's probably not confirmed by mihoyo, it may be a possibility but don't spread misinformation until its confirmed in a story quest or something*
The way I see it, the Archons are the base line for the visions. Cause when you share an element you establish a connection with them in a way. You have to align with them to get them. So essentially the archons grant the vision to them undirectly but as Celestia watches over Teyvat it is also the distribution center for the vision that basically grant the power of elements.
This also proves that what connects people with electro visions is not only family, which is also seen in people with cryo visions, but it’s also about being careful trusting someone who sees themselves as of higher power. You could also tie this to the traveler getting electro powers
I had this theory for a long time actually, that celestia uses the gnosis to channel the archons' elemental energy and use it to give visions to the allogenes to monitor them. Maybe it has something to do with the archons ideals, or maybe Ei's gnosis run out of elemental energy to channel after 500 years
finally, a confirmation...i knew it just didnt make sense to have the archon themselves to grant vision, like how did they know people from halfway across the world to be suited for their archon's element?
I have just started reading the web comic of Genshin Impact and Celestia is shrouded in a lot of mystery that even Venti doesn't want to talk about. So if it were true that Celestia is the one that grants people a "vision" based on their desires and ambitions then perhaps the price or cost that comes with it isn't as great as they claim it to be a gateway or ascension to godhood. I may be wrong though but after seeing how not having the favor of the gods (which includes Celestia) has taken a toll on ordinary people's minds in the game.
The way I see it is that, visions are indeed granted by an unknown being from Celestia, but the terms and conditions to get one are decided by the archons of a specific element. Ex: Sayu and Venti are so much alike personality wise :)
So guys Its our job to spread the news.. to old genshin player and other players that do not read lores.. because there is a big misconception about visions. and theory about it. many people already made a video of how archons gave visions.. so lets clear this thing
Ok, so the visions are granted by the Celestia but the element aligns with the archon's ideals. idk, something about Yoimiya and Hu Tao going to war seems really funny. edit: it's just a joke
Lmao! But to be fair, for me the criteria of a pyro vision seems to be closer to passion than just war. All the pyro vision bearers are a bit too passionate about what they do imo.
I mean, Yoimiya loves explosions and what explodes? Bombs and grenades. Hu Tao handles the dead, and what group of people die a lot? Soldiers. Unfortunately. Tangential, but still related. But passion is most likely the real ideal.
You know, I came up with a theory that since vision is not tied to the archon as much as we originally thought, and more about one's desire, it would explain a couple of stuff. 1. it's why most people who gets vision are kids / teens. Such period of someone's life are when one's ambition is among the strongest. 2. It explains why different nation has different shape of Vision. Where one grows up determines what nation the vision is tied to, thus why Kaeya, Albedo (from khaen'riah) and Amber (who is half Liyuean) has Mondstat vision. 3. continuation to number 2, it might also explain why Some hilichurls are able to control elements, because they perceive the tangible form of ambition differently from human. Maybe, for them, they perceive them as a form of a staff! The staff carried by samachurl are Hilichurl's version of Vision. But that's just my theory!
Just adding to the the other comments, it's probably she locked herself 500 years ago. It matches the dead if her most precious person, and also, Ei always say that the marionette is made of an ancient technology. Khaneri'ah was advance in technology, maybe them build it for her.
Lisa: Man, I want a vision so my life could be easier
Celestia: What a beautiful and strong ambition, here is your vision
Lmao
loool
Unknown God is a man of culture as well
@@averageoxygenenjoyer5501 unknown god isnt a man, mankind is ignorant
Lisa's due to her alleged curse right? Something about her short lifespan
Zhongli and Ei are so tight lipped when it comes to Celestia, I think they're afraid of the consequences. Venti is the only one who explained to us about gnosis, gnoses, allogenes etc. and he also said that the water there sucks lol
lol maybe because 80% of those people that element are catalyst users
celestia is mihoyo hq ,they just don't want to get sued .
it makes sense given venti’s commitment to freedom, he probably doesn’t care about the rules, meanwhile zhongli and ei see no reason to break the rules, and zhongli specifically would never break a contract, though as he says he is confident that the traveler will find the truth for themselves
@@hazard1one 💀
Yeah i think none of them really want to talk about it much, it seems like they dont like celestia
Now it also makes sense why the Fatui make and use Delusions for themselves. Before this I always wondered why didn't the Tsarita just grant Cryo visions to the Fatui.
Well you could also theorize that the tsaritsa don’t want to use the power that celestia grants when her aim is to oppose celestia itself, putting aside 2 harbingers which have visions, childe and signora, we haven’t seen the rest of the 11 harbingers on whether they have visions or not.
@@MyAdam4321 Signora doesn't have a vision. Only a cryo Delusion.
Basically she became the witch of flames and the first harbinger found her and gave her the cryo Delusion to soothe her burning
@@MyAdam4321 didn't scaramouche has electro vision?
@@Xel_ss Scaramouche is a prototype puppet made by Ei so I think he doesnt need Vision just like Ei's other Puppet
@@Ben-vg6ox honestly, I didn’t really understand her story because all we have is the crimson witch of flames artifact set for her story plus she has two phases, thus leading me to believe she has a either a pyro or cryo vision
Sayu : all i want is sleep *yawning*
Celestia : yes give her vision
Your ambition is true and I respect that. May the winds cool your sleep forevermore.
its Freedom basically
its still desire
she's too strong
She just really wanted that freedom to sleep and hide from the shrine maiden so Celestia was like: bro I get chu, I shall gib you da anemo, now you go brrr
Lmao but the story of how she got her vision is actually so sad
Also if you unlocking Zhongli's ascension voice over, you got the clue that even Zhongli doesnt really know how Vision work despite he is the oldest one and knowledgeable. He's also reminiscing someone who already knew about it beside him.
Did he said also he made a vision to control his own powers ? Why Celestia would be agreed to give a vision to any archons who already have a gnosis ?
@@mabilleaudrey2154 Archons don’t need a vision to control the elements, Venti said that he used one only so that he would not be suspicious if he used his powers
@@mabilleaudrey2154 He didnt said anything about his vision at all. Little did i know is Zhongli's vision is also fake. Venti made his fake vision in exchange of the fake contract about slave trade things. I forgot i read somewhere in-game about Venti and Zhongli contract thing.
@@keripik6728 my BF had Zhongli and in his profile lines he said his vision helps him to control his God Power and lower it to be like a simple holder vision.
@@SwrvShiesty I know already that lol But ty
Makes sense when Kazuha reactivated the electro vision of his friend while literally fighting the Electro Archon. If Raiden had the power to deny it, she would have.
good point indeed! maybe kazuha's desire to protect his friend was very strong so celestia lend him power? or is it his friend's ambition?
It probably of the word "protect" since the most electro vision holders are protected something that they have to. Just like razor stop/protect traveler before borea reach him, keqing use to protect liyue, Lisa use to protect jean, other people and mondstadt. Etc...
@@vuthasokban5898 how about fishcl?
@@cherish170 his friend's ambition
@@angei2227 It have been stuck in my brain all the time
And we called Ei simping for Lisa, when in reallity was someone in Celestia who was simping for Lisa.
*nosebleed*
Lisa: “i want a vision”
some gods from Celestia: “at your service, my lady”
And so happen that the woman is as hot as the thunder archon? Whoever up there knew their priorities, I'm still punch em in the face with wake of the earth tho -_-;
i am that person
@@achmadputra2 *tips fedora from Celestia*
Everyone's visions: aligns with the ideals of the archon with their respective element
Meanwhile lisa:
@@justarandomguy2458 Lisa is from Mondstadt, she only studied in Sumeru
Lisa is running away from what she found out about probably from Sumeru
Like how Ei ran away from the physical/mortal realm to her spiritual realm of euthymia
@@justarandomguy2458 Lias actually comes from Mondstadt but she went to sumeru academy
I think he came back to Mondstat from Sumeru because of a Cursed book that shortened her life
for anyone who dont know; lisa said she wanted a vision and a vision suddenly popped out on her hand.
Kazuha being a wanderer and free spirited having Anemo vision, But activating the Electro vision to not loose another friend and charging head on to defend us, has got to be the coolest moment in Genshin history!
Nah, shogun walking down from omni statue was the most badass moment! Also the sheer brutality against a certain person 😮😮
I don't think kazuha DID activate the electro vision. At the same time, the speaker talks about how some ambitions outlive their owners. His friend's ambition was to see, or withstand, the Musou no Hitotachi, so I assumed that was his friend's dream activating the vision and helping. Very anime
@@joeobrien4608 but his was pyro vision wasn’t it
@@TheJoethud22 when he tells the story the first time, his friend has electro
@@joeobrien4608 that's so anime, also who's the speaker?
So that means, rather than Kaeya being pitied and given a chance to live by the Tsarista, he was kept alive intentionally by Celestia, likely for a greater reason.
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@Ayla Cato I don’t think Kaeya’s very interested in telling anyone about how he got his vision, even if his vision story is 100% true. Lisa and Xingqiu also have irregular vision casings (Lisa’s is oval and Xingqiu’s is different than every other Liyue vision); I’m not 100% sure if we know whether the visions spawn with the regional casing, or if it’s some sort of tradition for the chosen to place their vision into a regional case. In the second scenario, it fits Kaeya’s character to not give himself the proper Mondstadt case. In the first scenario it likely also makes sense that, given the idea that Celestia only granted Kaeya a vision to keep him alive, Celestia still wanted to spite or judge him by giving him an incomplete vision. It’s pretty interesting either way and I hope we get answers!
It is probably because he went against what he was supposed to be at that time. Kaeya was a spy. He shouldn't have said that he was a spy, but he said... so that is probably the reason why he got cryo vision there. Same as diona who hates alcohol but makes good alcoholic drink, or chongyun that is an exorcist but havent seen s ghost, or eula that opposes the ideals of her family
@Ayla Cato but, if i'm not mistaken, thoma is from fontaine, and his vision has the inazuma's encasing. That's an oddity: it might be that the case of the vision depends on where you are at that moment? really weird honestly
@@lucataranto6553 thoma is actually from mondstadt, but i think you're right about the case depending on the location.
There is a theory about Tsaritsa's true intentions could be to cut the archon's tie with Celestia by taking away their gnoses, and the reason to why the Fatui are producing Delusions is to create an alternative version similar to Visions without needing to connect the user's ties with Celestia (since Delusions are man-made).
yeah apparently they hate celestia and fatui are actually good guy, but with bad way of doing it
tsaritsa: you all need to cut ties with celestia!
Venti: sure, i dont even like celestia anyway
zhongli: Eh my gnosis isnt really important ill trade it if you want
Ei: i already do that 500 years ago
If this happens, Celestia probably has new set of Gnosis for new generation of archon thus Archon War 2.0 will start 😱
Celestia is fishy
Apparently scara said they initiated the decree in order to produce more delusions, yes they produced it but why are they distributing them to the resistance? My theory on this one is that having a delusion take away the ambition and life force of the first user is part of the process at making it a complete usable delusion. Diluc father's life force must have fed the delusion till it's completely usable for Diluc without harm later on. I'm wearing a tinfoil hat for this one btw
Makes sense, considering the fact that Venti was asleep during the time period when some Anemo characters got their visions (or was he awake?? Idk I might’ve gotten the Manga lore and game lore mixed up).
Manhua*
@@ganyu7121 webtoon*
but they call it manga on the official website?
@@tui7980 yes
Where to read it?
My theory is that the reason vision holders ideals tend to be somewhat in line with their respective archons' is because Celestia uses the Archons as templates and people with strong wills that also align well with an Archon can be granted a Vision, and because she spent so long in her plane, Ei is a bad template for modern mortals. Now that she is willing to step out of her personal plane more; she will likely change and thus be more like the mortals around her and vice versa so new electro visions incoming.
And thus the electro resonance gets buffed :))
@@saulgoodman2780 Lol let's hope so
But yae mikos has said shes been in there for centuries, so why would vision granting only stop then?
@@bingguo6172 maybe because of vision hunt decree? It made Ei to have a bad image I guess?
@@bingguo6172 Because meditating on eternity doesn't affect Celestia or the ideal. Likely the vision hunt decree was what made Celestia stop giving out electro visions because it goes against Celestia and might even against the ideal itself. Also since visions are not related to the region the vision bearer lives in (though they tend to be more in line with the ideal of their home nation) they probably don't have any way to just restrict a certain area so they had to completely stop.
I once heard that visions were speculated to be restraints rather than gifts. One of the reasons why Lisa suddenly “got a vision” because she’s speculated to be an amazing sorceress without a vision. Would also explain how Kaeya got a vision because I cannot explain why Celestia would possibly give one to him if they’re supposed to be gifts
I read his story about how he got his vision, and it happened when diluc and him got into a big fight about their father, and they started dueling each other
Whilst in the battle with diluc, kaeya suddenly got his vision
wait what about kaeya receiving it as a restraint rather than a gift? even if he did have it as a gift, what exactly does it allude from celestia?
@@Yammerzaki123fr he’s from khanriah. Known as the cataclysm that happened 500 years ago that the heavenly principles destroyed. You see where I’m coming from
It makes more sense to just take it as it is that visions are just a naturally occuring phenomenon that gives people with potential to become as gods actual power.
@@lolomomario76 true, but this is mihoyo we’re talking about
Well, Lisa surely wants her books to stay at the same place, in the exact same state, for eternity. And only gods know what will happen if you hurt her books
Last time someone did something bad with her book. It will shock you
@@natsuigneel6577 literally
Raiden have just debunked a lot of theories. People need to see this
Yes.
what about when Miko said people of Inazuma want Ei divine gaze….and Ei reply to that is “so they want Vision” doesn’t that mean the Archon still connected to granting vision or something along that line?
@@potto1443 Nope, they don't grant it but their ideals are what probably makes Celestia grant it. Before the decree she was in her plane of euthymia and after that she became indifferent to the real world, and didn't know much abt what was going on. Which was probably why there was no electro visions granted for that whole year because they can't see her gaze.
I remember seeing someone saying that archon didn't give vision celestia did 3 month ago turn out that dude was right all along.
@@SevagothPrime That dude is time traveler, don't trust him, maybe he has a connection with Celestia
It's heavily hinted in the Japanese and Chinese version. Visions in Japanese is called ' Eye of god ' (神の目/Kami no me) and the Chinese also means Eye of god. So visions are a way of the 'gods' to keep an eye on 'ambitious' individuals. While a gnosis is called a god's heart (神の心/kami no kokoro)
That's why somehow I didn't like english translation. It has so many miss and loss of meaning.
If only I can read Japanese 😔
@@-papah-7608 I think vision is a great name for it. The word vision can be someone's vision of the future, their dream, or ambition. A vision can also allude to the supernatural, the divine or mystical occurrence like seeing a vision of a god or prophet. A vision is also related to delusion in a way... as you could also call them hallucinations. I think the names are rich in meaning but in a different way is what I'm saying. I sort of prefer that naming convention as eye of God seems too straightforward.
Jup, in the german translation it's "Göttliches Auge" for vision, which means "Godly eye" and "Göttliches Herz" for Gnosis, which means "Godly heart". Oddly, just the english translation is different XD
@@-papah-7608 yeah, not to mention the word "Genshin". It's a japanese word for allogenes
i feel powerful when I understood what "Kami no me" and "Kami no kokoro" meant without any help
The vision bearers' desires aligning with the archon of their respective elements also empowers the pawn theory. They can become replacements.
Well, Venti already said it that allogenes can ascend to Godhood it's just that archons keep that infor to themselves.
not really, the first electro archon's ideals were opposite to the current one
@@moai4110 Well that goes against what the video said, but ig exceptions are always there...exceptions
@@brawlsauce the enemy of eternity
@@moai4110 Well, we barely know about Makoto(Baal) so the fact that her personality was different from her sister Ei(Beelzebub) doesn't really mean they can't pursue the same ideal in different ways as they ascended to godhood together (unlike other arcons who introduced a new ideal as soon as they replaced previous divine figures in the region aka. Venti and Sumeru's archon), maybe for Makoto inazuma was already eternal by letting its magic trascend between changes, while Ei had a totally different outcome of Eternity when she lived by her own eyes the drastic change (her friends dying in battle and her sister being killed during the cataclism)
The second element is fate. Mona once said that all of the Vision bearers have their constellations on the night sky of Teyvat, perfectly predicting their destiny. Celestia has no need to monitor for potential Vision bearers, for their destinies are known in advance and their identities are probably predetermined.
I think Celestia wants the people of teyvat to think the visions are granted by the archons so that the seven have good will and the people more easily follow the archons and consequently obey celestia since the archons are somewhat controlled by celestia. Hence why they stopped giving out electro visions when raiden initiated the sakuko and vision hunt decrees, so that people wouldn’t get suspicious that she wasn’t the one giving out visions
I had my suspicion on this topic for a long time. Venti fell asleep after the cataclysm so how can people received Anemo vision. Ei's Gnosis in Narukami Shrine and her dialogue about Vision has prove it.
+ the fact that they are not omniscient so... It was dead in the egg.
I always saw it as while Venti was asleep, he could still "see" the world and grant visions to those that interested him. But this new info debunks the granting vision part. I'm still sure Venti had some way to keep an eye on things while asleep
hi can you explain the difference between cataclysm and the destruction of khaenriah? or are they the same thing ??
@@nazrinwanroshdan8695 it's basically the same thing
@@deadboi9851 ohhh i see now thanks i was getting confused
Well if you pay attention to new screen loading script, they actually talk about the vision.
It’s say like this: “Rumor has it that when someone’s wishes are extremely powerful, the gods will peer down upon him, and a Vision will appear”.
It’s indicate that the Vision really appear out of no where. Which means the “Gods” (I assume Celestia) directly bestow them with Vision.
What about how mona got her vision? She said that an old lady just walked up and gave it to her.
Which region’s loading screen? I wanna see it when the chance comes.
@@inbetween1035 Klee's mom gave the vision to her.
@@jasielstael Mona got her vision from her master, not Alice
Some get it out of thin air and some light up the dead masterless vision making it for themself.
In the loading screen, it states that tyvat has its own "laws". I believe it has something to do with how visions manifest. Kind of like the law of physics and thermal dynamics, elements are drawn towards particular sources under specific conditions. This is why elemental creatures of every type of element freely exist everywhere
big brain
very underrated commemt
Visions are given through one's ambition and I think the price they have to pay is to carry the burden of their ambition. When you talk to the man in the teahouse where you usually meet up with Thoma and Ayaka, he would say that relinquishing his vision made him feel lighter like something heavy is lifted from him.
The "other side to visions" that Ei mentions is, I think, deductible. Based on gnostic religion, God or Demiurge (in genshin, probably the Heavenly Principles) designed a series of "lesser gods" to control the people who had the potential to ascend to godhood (as all beings created by Monad, the creator of Demiurge and all humans, had this inherent capability if they cultivated their soul enough), and jail or hunt them, would they ever start taking the steps to ascension. Celestia gives out the visions, since they are probably a "tag" that enhances the persons own powers, making people believe that visions grant power, when in reality the bearers of visions were only given a little boost for an element in exchange for a permanent tag on their whereabouts and progress to ascension (unbeknownst to them, of course); this is also backed further by what happened with Kazuha (The vision didn't grant him the power, it just reacted to his own and boosted it for a moment).
The archons probably just monitor their region, and send those close to ascension (like Venessa) to Celestia, which is most likely either a jail or a place where they get executed (this is probably why venti is depressed and hesitant about letting Venessa ascend in the webtoon, and also why he's always trying to avoid his duties and drowning his worries in alcohol).
At least this is what makes most sense to me idk.
I think that the process in granting visions is similar to attaining a level up in DanMachi or earning a moniker in a famous character's backstory where a Vision is granted when the desire of a certain individual is strong enough to be recognized by the gods and they perform a great deed that wouldn't have been possible if they didn't follow that desire.
To me, the whole Gods giving Visions thing is a real world counterpart of Talent vs. Skill.
Anyone can be skilled at something, but only some develops a vision. And therefore bloom true "talent"
You can say our characters already had a Vision before the Gods even decided to manifest them into gifts.
Xiangling didnt get her vision because she's good at cooking, she got it because of her idealism against tradition.
Beidou didnt get hers because she won against Haishan, she got it because of her fight against countless failures.
That's why if Visions get taken away, its like they lose a part of themselves, because it truly is.
If a Vision holder dies, one can reawaken their Visions. In the real world we call them Spiritual Successors.
@@ihaveaplan.ijustneedmoney.9777 Wow you big brain
@@ihaveaplan.ijustneedmoney.9777 this is some deep level shit, great job.
@@ihaveaplan.ijustneedmoney.9777 After that explanation, i will give you money for that plan
@@ihaveaplan.ijustneedmoney.9777 I must come back here to remind me of this.
this debunks so many memes tho 😭😂
Ikr lol
ikr the idea of ei being like “you remind me of a dog lmfao” and giving razor a vision was so funny 😭
@@mbrendoblair8100 and the fact that she loves dogs is 💀💀
yeah the "anemo person and their dead friend" too lol
@@mbrendoblair8100 lmao
Its about time elin gets a vision shes the most dedicated person ive seen in this game.
Teppei died without having one. Elin is just practicing the same damn move every commision.
nah, she's too low on polygons to have one
@@ajop2235 she even SUCKED AT THE MOVE we have teached her countless times.
@@locirnos were using elemental skills and burst, how dafuq do you expect her to copy that xD
@@notganoy1215 if she had the projection Magic Emiya had she could. But then again this is Teyvat not Earth
the thing about the matching ideals sound realy simple. Venti tells us that that vision users are potential gnosis candidates, so the fact that an archon has matching ideals with the vision users of his element is no big deal considering that they are on the same path just different in rank
I have long speculated that there was an "automatic" system...Venti was asleep for so long, first between the rebellion and Venessa, and then after the battle with Durin untill today. Yet there was no records of Anemo visions stopping to appear. It didnt make sense for Venti to be able to grant visions while unconcious and didnt know what was going on.
i feel that a visions element isnt defined by the corresponding archons ideas, but the archons ideas are defined by the elements itself, and people obtain their visions element that is closest to the elements ideas , rather than the archons itself.
I want to belive that Vanessa acknowledged Jean's efforts and desires so she granted Jean a vision.
That's sweet
Did vanessa a human before she ascended to celestia?
@@katsuki1215 yes, you can read the webtoon and vanessa is there.
If this is not canon my life is a lie
And she got lots of help and acknowledgement from Venti that's why she gave her anemo vision . That idea sounds really heartwarming for me 😊😊
I think we will find out more about celestia in the city of wisdom. So hyped for sumeru already. Maybe Cyno is a prophet of some sort and knows what celestia is doing and will enlighten the traveler
hopefully
storywise too, sumeru is the midpoint of the story (chapter 4 out of 7 or 8). midpoints are usually where the biggest revelations or changes occur, so sumeru might be HUGE
I could already imagine a dark plot involving human experimentation by dotorre and the fatui. The dendro archon helps us uncover most of these, and it would great if the god of wisdom was a detective of somesort or perhaps a professor in sumeru academia
@@chr18tian Sumeru is chapter 3
maybe cyno will help you explore a pyramid (and solve super tough puzzels lol) and in the king chamber you find the body of the god of woods who died in the cataclysm and in the chamber books revealing the truth of what really happened during the cataclysm (i believe sumeru will reveal things about the cataclysm rather then celstia and their goal, the later might happen in tsaritsa chapter of the last chapter with dien
I hope that at some point in the story we get to see a Vision being granted, that would be a powerful moment.
Ay you got your wish, happened in the new sumeru map
We got to see a new vision being granted to Rana in Sumeru :D
It was an amazing moment ❤❤
welp..im from the future in 2022 and i can confirm it actually happened lol
wanderer supremacy
Your "desire" must really be so strong to be able to get a vision, look at those npcs who have so much potential yet are visionless
And timmie got all 7 vision at once.....
Traveler: my time have come
lisa: you guys got desires?
Anemo vision check list be like:-
1) Freedom? ✓
2) Dead friend? ✓
3) Cute? ✓
Hahah true
ehe
wait jean has a dead friend?
@@momo_mochii ehe!? TE NANDAYO!
I always felt this was the case as the characters always said "Favor of the gods" and not favor of the Archons, meaning that the Archons don't grant the visions.
"God" and "Archon" are used interchangeably throughout the game when refering to the Seven specifically. In Venti's cutscenes he's called the Anemo God *and* the Anemo Archon. The difference being that an Archon is a divine being and founded/ruled one of the nations of Teyvat while a God is simply a divine being.
@@nando_ugt yeah it is said that Venti ascended and became a god but after the archon war finished he became the archon freedom/anemo
@@bethanymcgonigle Venti was never a human, he always was a god. He became an Archon when he founded Mondstadt.
@@nando_ugt God basically from Heaven and Archons basically founded to conquer land country?
@@nando_ugt I never said he was a human, but before he was a god he was a wind spirit
visons are also granted when certain conditions are met for electro its to see world differnnt for ex fishcl thinks shes from other world and razor thinks hes a wolf the reason pyro vision is so dominating is beacuse the condition for getting pyro vision is very simple its to just have the passion to do something like xinyan on music or bennett being a good adventure
Yeah but Lisa doesn’t fit that category lmfao
@@Alberia0404 maybe she wants to live forever
imo I think electro visions are granted on the ambition of wanting to preserve or immortalize something
@@CoolVictor2002 kekw
@@Alberia0404 apparently lisa got her vision just by wishing that she want a vision lol 😂
Also, I remember a thread on the wiki (Electro page I think) mention the similarities of the different vision holders. Electro people are often lonely/isolated. (Keqing - radical who doesn't believe in Rex Lapis; Fischl - chuuni no one really talks to; Razor - grew up with wolves and prefers them over people) Pyro users are usually passionate about something? (Amber - her job as an outrider; Xinyan - music; Xiangling - food) Cryo users are stuck in a situation (Kaeya - Khaenria, Mond; Qiqi - life and death, Rosaria - being a nun but being her). Geo users are stable and reliable. I don't remember the rest and I could be wrong, but their analysis is still there in the comments. So, if besides their desire and personality/circumstances, I wonder what else deems someone worthy of a vision.
Diluc on the side be like:
(but its still accurate cause of the manga)
anemo may be - free spirited
dendro may be - determination to no give up hope in something maybe
@@SilverWolfEnthusiast nah, anemo is - lost a friend
@@MarasiTemple tru lol
I mean she didn't even had to say this though. Kazuha's friend's vision somehow awakened for Kazuha to use AGAINST Baal, who is definetly both that vision's regional and elemental archon. This means she had nothing to do with granting/awakining that vision for Kazuha to use.
Visions are granted by ambitions. And Kazuha only reawakened the vision because of the ambition its was born from was by his friend's will "to brave against the lightning's glow". So Celestia only has the power to grant but not to change the ambition.
@@moonknight7664 I don't think you quite got the point about what i'm trying to say. I'm merely stating the fact that the visions are definetly not granted by the regional/elemental archons of said visions. Even though Baal states the stuff in this video, we can clearly see that the Kazuha's friend's vision reawakaned when Kazuha was about to go against Baal. And Baal is both the regional and the elemental archon of said vision. Now correct me if i'm wrong but why would Baal reawaken a vision that would help someone go against herself. I don't think she is some mega-genius trying to plot something. It was already obvious that the visions weren't granted by their regional/elemental archons after this instance. The stuff in this video just confirms it.
@@vicelcia9470 Ah alright then. Sorry my brain sometimes reads things too fast.
So Visions are likely granted by Celestia but the element Chosen tends to align with the Current Archons Ideal.
Well, this was a surprise.
Lots like all those conspiracy theories on visions are firing up again.
"But the element chosen tends to align with the Archon's ideal."
This is interesting. Ei (the archon) have been locking herself away from the world, preserving her *ideals of the unchanging.*
And she said that the Vision Hunt Decree (which was started a year ago) got her *tacit approval.*
The time when she approved the decree (well, not directly) was around the time Electro Vision stop appearing.
Coincidence? Hmm? Hmm?
So, it's literally 'resonating'?
this should of been obvious, because when i started playing if Venti did grant them, why are there different elements? wouldn't Kayea, Diluc, Amber, etc all be anemo? So i had a feeling Archon's are just another level of Vision user, they are far more powerful thanks to Gnosis clearly is heavenly level probably granted by Celestia
@@kyotheman69 But gnoses are not like visions. The archons don’t need a gnosis to manipulate an element, it’s just a thing that connects them to celestia.
@@kyotheman69 more powerful thanks to gnosis, yes, but they aren’t another level of vision users but rather a literal manifestation of that element on a higher and different ceiling. Although they are gods, they are not considered “divine” to celestial and gnosis mainly serves as connecting their essence with celestial, possibly granting to them certain power like morax being mora creating ability. Thinking again, they are certainly like vision holders in some aspect, but they are not dependent on desires like mortals do.
Meanwhile Sayu's desire: Sleep, getting taller
Maybe that's venti's real goal 🥲
Well, she mastered her ninja arts to you know... Be *free* to get more sleep and be taller, she attained the freedom to do so with her training.
I know it's probably a joke but oh well...
@@normanteio6916 sure is
@@wouldyoureturntomonke2452 and I gave it to her
Maybe we will get more info's about this & also Celestia in the next region. Since the Dendro Archon is the God of Wisdom.
Sadly being the youngest so little knowledge about Celestia or a slip of info
Celestia? you mean Sumeru?
@@achmadputra2 he means info about celestia in the next region sumeru
"The god of wisdom's enemy is wisdom itself, and the oasis of knowledge is a mirage in the desert of ignorance"
Maybe the destruction of khaenri'ah or celestia being had more to it on the next chapter, the false wisdom that written by gods for to cover up like what "sins" they make to wraith gods or is it just something that gods fear start to appear.....
call that the god of lore
"But if you reach Friendship Lv.4 with Raiden"
People who lose 50/50(including me): Hmmm interesting
Hyee, help me understand about this 50/50 thing please. When raiden banner came out, if you do not get raiden from the first spin, so you lose? And will never getting raiden in her current banner?
@@reaanne2803 no if you dont get raiden as your 5 star pity (the 50% chance for raiden 50% chance for a diff 5 star) you have to hit pity or get another 5 star on the limited banner to get the advertised 5 star character. Raiden in this case. the pity, and the 50/50 carry over on the limited banners.
@@SkiddySlipdown i kinda get it now, I’m new to genshin impact, tqvm
Honestly the fact that Celestia can grant vision but if a vision is taken away from someone that person becomes lifeless seems more like a way for Celestia to control people with a strong will instead of helping them-
The same goes with the gnosis for the Gods... it seems more like a mechanism to prevent them from using their power against Celestia than anything else.
That makes sense, there were reports that people aren't getting any electro vision for over a year since the vision hunt decree and the decree happened 1 year later, maybe if people's ambition were related to eternity maybe they'd get electro vision.
Makes sense. We know for a fact that fischl at the very least wanted a eternal childhood/imagination, keqing wants to uphold moraxs contracts for as long as possible, and beidou strives for a life of the sea (which on its own is eternal). As for Lisa, while I haven't dwelled too much into her story it could be that when she was younger (potentially when she was in sumeru studying or before that), she wanted to always be able to read for eternity
@@mr.applejuice8546
Or, idk, sleep for eternity
@@mr.applejuice8546 no lisa is " i want my life to be easier for an eternity"
@@mr.applejuice8546 from this theory I imagine Lisa's pursuit of eternity is aligned with the fact that her life was shortended against her will, so I feel like her desire for eternity is the now, in the sense that she is still alive and wants to perserve her life so she has actively pursued simple, easy joys to keep this alive
Fischl is neglected child by her parents and have a imaginary friend Oz in other words she wan't a friend that can be with her for Eternity
(As long as she's alive) Oz will be in her side forever
Razor who witness his family wolves die and he wan't to be with them longer then the Wolf Spirit was suddenly granted to him and it is the manifestation of his Ambition (Kinda hard to explain)
So for me your comment does have a point
Oh.. so thats why kazuha can activates the electro vision for a period of time
ohh truee
It's his desire to protect the Traveler from getting killed- I'M CRYING
That made we know actually people in teyvat can wield 2 or maybe more vision at once just like the Traveler. But under what circumstances? In my opinion, Perhaps when people has 2 or more ambition with different ideals they maybe can grant 2 vision but it most likely impossible to have that personality.
@@ilazaodla916 most likely very rare yes kinda impossible unless you are kazuha who have such high ambition
I think that this can be possible because the person with split personality will have different "Ambition" so they can be using two vision
To be honest these archons have fought wars to obtain a seat among the seven. People that have visions can become archons so why grant keys to your throne. It’s not in their best interest to grant these visions.
true
If the visions are granted along the lines of the Archons desires, When Raiden started the vision hunt decree, granting visions stopped at the same time because she wanted to stop people having visions.
in yae's dialogue, she said that ei had "severed all ties with celestia" a long time ago, so maybe that had something to do with there not being any new electro visions being granted too?
ig, but why did happen like a year ago
That happened when she decided to seclude herself into her Plane of Euthymia, which was centuries ago.
The lack of new Electro Visions have only been for 1 year.
I’m pretty sure that’s to do with her not using her gnosis as she doesn’t use it to be in contact with celestia anymore. But then again I’m pretty sure celestia can still give visions without an archons permission so it wouldn’t matter
@@grimhavenz that’s literally just the three statements above you
My theory is that since people who get a vision somewhat agree with the views of the archon, when the sakoku decree started the views of raiden became so different that no one can think similarly
I hope we can have an arc about a normal person with "ambition" gained a vision along the story then help out what next for this character.
Teppei...
@@oh-noe he died too early. It might've been possible if he lived longer, but not all humans who has high ambitions get visions, so the motive is still kind of unclear.
Celestia Gods: Oh look, an interesting person. Let's give them a Vision that suits them the most.
an even more interesting fact is that nahida's dialogue about vision. while it is a riddle but i think this comes with a huge hint that visions might not be granted because only for acknowledgement, but also to look at the holder's movements.
weird fact I noticed while playing genshin: I always found it strange that our ults were powered from when our enemies die and some thing comes out and powers it but also it sometimes does it on its own does that mean it is similar to delusions and is killing us slowly? Since the power to charge the ult comes from the soul of the dead enemy?
yep we literary suck up enemy souls to power bursts :D
You guys are over-analyzing.
nah that's just a game mechanic
it's a game mechanic, it doesn't actually exist in the lore (yet?)
Those things you see after killing an enemy are called ‘energy particles’, they give energy to you and you can use that energy to energize your burst.
So that means celestia will have a checklist for each vision. If someone mets the conditions they will be granted that particular vision. Interesting
"The other side", huh ? I wonder if it could be something like "the price to pay" that Zhongli mentions, or the part about Lisa : "with the aid of her Vision, Lisa acquired the knowledge she sought. But she also sensed the deep secret hiddden in the shadows of that knowledge. For whatever reason, the gods gave human the key to changind everything, but they did not explain the cost involved".
I think it's hinted that vision have terrible cost , like sucking the life out from their owner so Celestia use it as an energy or something like that.
Glad what i believe since the first time i played was right. Vision was granted by celestia, just need a confirmation of what the criteria to receiving spesific element.
We’re forgetting the fact, we were told in game that delusions work properly if the wielder has an immense hate for something. Maybe Tsaritsa is trying to make the world hate celestia and become an army.🤷🏻♂️
It's not that the visions are granted base in the archons, but 1 step before, archons were also chosen by those criteria.
I see it like this
Celestia gods: "Oh, this person has an ambition about freedom, just like the current anemo archon Barbatos. We'll give that person an Anemo Vision"
*Jean overworked to death* ... Uhm, yeah about that freedom...
@@fazadhikarizqkoswara9429 I think because her ambition (maybe) is to "grant people in the mondstadt a freedom so I have to work hard"
@@FahrizalSurya Maybe...
What about sayu lol
Xiao:wha
There is so much conflicting information concerning visions
For example, In Klee's dialogue about visions, it states that a vision is a gift from Barbatos to say, "Well done." From this dialogue, we can deduce that:
A - Visions are granted by whatever deity presides over the territory
B - The presiding deity can grant any elemental vision they desire
C - That more than one Archon is involved in the granting of visions
D - The element of a vision is conducive to one's personality
*NOTE* If B is true, then C and D cannot be true. And if C is true, then B is not true, nor is D. Lastly if D is true, Then A is also likely true.
From Venti's dialogue about Visions, We learn that Venti can make us a Vision just like his. Now, if this is true, then we know that Venti can make Visions, however, we don't know whether or not Venti can determine the element inside a vision. In Archon quest Chapter 2 Act 1, The traveler states that the Mikage Furnace is where Venti must have gotten his "Vision." These 2 pieces of information conflict with each other meaning that it is possible that neither one of these statements is correct.
From Zhongli, we learn that Visions are also a type of contract, meaning that both parties must agree upon terms. These terms may differ from person to person, and it is also worth considering that the terms of this "contract" may well determine the element of the vision in question.
Finally, we learn from The Raiden Shogun that she was not aware that electro visions were no longer being administered. However, nothing says that visions stopped appearing in Inazuma. From this, we can learn that another possibility is that Visions are granted by Celestia. However, assuming that they are administered by Celestia, it seems rather odd that either the Gods didn't notice that Ei was taking visions away, or they simply didn't care. In the Archon quest Chapter 2 Act 3, Yae Miko says the following: "What your people want from you is not your promises. They want your attention... your divine gaze (refering to visions). This would suggest that Archons do administer visions after all.
In the end, the fact is that we simply do not have enough information to come to one solid conclusion. We will just have to wait for more future content in order to find out.
It's worth noting that Klee is a child, and probably not the most reliable source of information to go off; same goes for most other characters honestly. I'd say that other than Venti, Zhongli, Raiden or any other Archon characters (which obviously don't exist yet) will be the only sources we can trust to have a true account of what happens.
Regarding Venti's vision dialogue, you've got that a bit wrong too. When he tells us that he can create us a "Vision" he's referring to a fake trinket that he uses to pretend he's a regular Vision holder; proof that the Vision is fake is from a past event where Visions would light up when near certain things and you'd use this to track them down. Since the Traveller can also use elements without a Vision, he was basically asking if they wanted one too for avoiding awkward questions.
I think yae was talking about releasing the visions in the statue, also yeah it’s really confusing but Klee is like ten, and like most characters who are not gods, can almost never be trusted about visions. Also, how did ball put 99 visions in like twelve slots. Can archons alter vision appearances? I don’t know, something I though was interesting.
by “make a vision” doesn’t venti mean the fake one that he has
Human's or regular allogenes are not a regular basis or a reliable source of information about visions as they don't know how the divine works, thats why there's no much point to watch over what they have to say because their experiences with their visions will end up contradictory in the most of cases, you have Klee who thinks its a blessing from Barbatos, Keqing who thought Morax was mocking her by granting her a vision she didn't want, Noelle who thinks she wasnt dilligent enough to receive Barbato's gaze (an anemo vision), Xiao who thinks he was not judged the same as mortals when he received his anemo vision.
@@ThKvhh You are right there however the reason that I am highlighting Klee is that she is not the one saying it is a gift from Barbatos, the one most likely saying that is the traveler. It's more of what the traveler believes, not Klee.
This changes everything. So now we can say that the Archons are just puppets and figureheads to play a part in Celestia's game of chess. Archons have power but not absolute authority where visions are a concern and with the rules of the world. Imagine the demigods and magical creatures that use to exist Celestia used them all as a means to an end.
My theory is, the reason why tsaritsa hoarding these gnosis because she try to make the copy version of it, like the delusion version of gnosis.
Since each gnosis have their own unique, she cant just rely on her own gnosis to make the copy version of it, thus why she try to get her hand on the sevens gnosis.
Celestia lets you unintentionally answer the "Which of the Seven Archons are you?" survey on your day to day lives and bases the vision they grant you on the result of the survey.
In conclusion, most of us were wrong lol
The idea that raiden shogun or archon themself granting specific type of vision are theory by Sumeru npc in game, in otherword before these shogun statement thats our source of information by mihoyo, but now its cleared
So the people is kept in the dark the whole time? They believed that the archons grant them vision?
@@FahrizalSurya yea pretty much
i feel like electro users are given to unique people
-Fischl being delusional
-Lisa being a prodigy
-Razor being raised by wolves
-Keqing saying we dont need archons
-Sara being a Tengu general when they're known to hide instead
Imo it fits better to raidens ideals if you look at it that way:
- fischl wanting to keep her own world forever
- lisa wanting to live longer
- razor to protect his lupical
- keqing maybe wants liyue to be prosperous and growing forever?
- sara is self-explanatory, follows the shoguns will in every case
Or people with duality:
- fischl the persona and the unnamed girl that she was born as
- lisa before sumero and lisa after sumery - the truth of the world/visions, (also hides like Ei in her room)
- razon as a human and as a wolf
@@mariahmerry keqing and sara also fit your statement... there are so many ways to look at it...
Venti: ehe
Also with the vision is based on an archons ideal is probably true as all the characters that have the same element are all similar
Like how all pyro characters when they got their vision were very passionate and optimistic, or how cryo characters have family issues probably since cryo is God of love apparently
tsaritsa has mommy and daddy issues?
@@idonotpost1456 If they're based on Ana Schariac then they were likely part of a tragic love story. If they're based on Bronya Zaychik then they were likely forever separated from family members. Either way "tragic love" would be a consistent theme.
@@idonotpost1456 c'mon, this is a Theory comment, stop with stupid jokes, can you "Cultured people" be serious at least once??
@@Thegooberdante its not that serious either. lol
cryo people are those who feel unloved.. useless and basically just hate themselves lol. speaks for why kaeya got his cryo vision when diluc was trying to kill him since he just lost his only "Family"
That really makes sense about how it always said that visions aren’t blessings, but curses. Lisa for example explained too how she doesn’t use her vision much for curious reasons and it scared that it might go do things on it’s own- And how albedo wants to uncover all of it’s “secrets”??
I think there is more to the way Lisa obtained her vision.
The way I see it, she was such a knowledgeable and talented scholar/mage that she was able to obtain a vision by herself, likely not given by Celestia but taken from Celestia. And the reason why she became afraid of what she now knows about vision, is something like Kaenriah where the Gods smited down the nation. Like she has displeased the gods, and might also suffer the same fate because what she has done is an arrogation of human.
And maybe perhaps, that too was Kaenriah. They were able to tap into power without the approval of Celestia.
Everyone’s talking about how ppl are given visions for the element that lines up with an archons personality, but what if the personality requirements were already there, and the gods chose archons that already fit the template (so for example, venti was given wind cos he’s a god of freedom, he wasn’t the one who chose freedom to be a requirement of wind)
It might explain why gods have a bunch of domains, venti was already the freedom god before he was the wind god. Mora was already the contract god before he was the stone god. They chose the gods that already matched the element.
+1
But this means that the Archon War is fake which is obviously not true. As far as I remember, Archon war was due to some of kind of gifts, which can be given by seven of them only.
@@thkgaming5587 and those gods who lost and a still alive left the teyvat and went to the black sea
Baal doesn't want people to wield a vision because vision wielders are "the chosen" by Celestia, If the people deceases their souls will ascend to Celestia. You can read more about Celestia & Visions in Manga, Venessa ascended to Celestia and inside that, you'll see *ALOT* of somekind of rooms
celestia looks more like a prison tbh
It kinda look like the panopticon prison
My theory is that Vision holders get their vision based on Archon's perspective so that they believe in Archons unlike Khaenri'ah
Same. Take Xiao for example, he's been suffering for eons. We can assume that he desires to be FREE from his duty of countless slaughter. Freedom and Venti's theme (?)
@@doremii751 possible, but Zhongli was the one who gave birth to Xiao. Though he really likes it whenever he dies judging by his death lines
@@hayyeh7795 Hi, im not trying to be rude here but i’m pretty sure Zhongli didn’t give birth to Xiao. Zhongli saved Xiao(Alatus) from another god and renamed him Xiao.
@@__-bg4vt No worries. I'm not aware of the lore itself completely, but from what I've heard Xiao came from Zhongli. Thank you for the correction.
In the Ars Goetia, Paimon is the one who grants visions. Though its more literal in terms of future sight style visions.
And she's following around a person who doesn't need visions to obtain the elements.
Not saying she's why the traveler can access the various elements, but maybe Paimon is following him/her due to being an anomaly and wanting to know why. Plus remember how surprised she acted when Zhong Li mentioned how the Gods gave visions? Like she wasn't exactly agreeing but more like "Ah, is that right?"
Just saying.
In albedo story quest he was thinking It might be Paimon who's guiding elemental energy tô the traveller
And If Paimon could do that she could Destroy mountain rocks 10 meter thick and reverse the waterfall in springville
So… the Fatui wants to overthrow Celestia… The Abyss Order also wants to overthrow Celestia…
I guess I could most certainly predict what’s happening in the future…
what if abyss order survived destruction because they serve celestia ?
our traveller is on side of teyvat and archons ... tsaritsa is archon seeking destruction of celestia for some crimes
evil twin say we are on wrong side = since he/she leads abyss order it likely means abyss order is celestia pawn ... enemy of archons ...
wh y would dain fight abyss order ? .... exactly if they promised loyalty to celestia and mutated in process ... they would be ones he failed to protect .... but also traitors from his view
I’ve been saying this from the start of the whole game, and yet people who pays zero attention to the story keeps saying that archons grant visions. I mean like come on, Zhongli doesn’t even know who albedo and noelle are, raiden shogun has no business of granting a vision to beidou when haishan has no relation to inazuma whatsoever. Yup, someone here clearly blindly accepts the story as fact, not to mention never having read any other lores, keeps on pushing that we should trust a researcher who doesn’t even have a vision.
You know how genshin fandom is, the memes are more important to them than the canon to the point of wide and extreme misinformation. Good thing that some people who are really interested in lore sees this
"Haishan has no relation to Inazuma whatsoever"
It just so happens that Baal and Beidou both have the distinction of killing a sea serpent with one stroke. You're right about everything else, though.
yeah thats why I always thought that the archons of each nation were giving visions only within their nations. I just didn't get why Archons would give visions to those in regions that aren't their own. I feel like the fact that Venti was sleeping for ages is such a forgettable part of the story that I didn't think about it and so didn't question my theory. This idea clearly makes the most sense, and I feel makes the whole idea around visions even more interesting
True
It make sense. Ningguang just awaken a vision she found (or idk where really) the thing i can confirm about vision is if youre worth of it,then you can have it
*Please remember that this is just a theory everyone, and it's probably not confirmed by mihoyo, it may be a possibility but don't spread misinformation until its confirmed in a story quest or something*
Plot Twist: Khanri'ah made visions and the Archons just went along with it
The way I see it, the Archons are the base line for the visions. Cause when you share an element you establish a connection with them in a way. You have to align with them to get them. So essentially the archons grant the vision to them undirectly but as Celestia watches over Teyvat it is also the distribution center for the vision that basically grant the power of elements.
This also proves that what connects people with electro visions is not only family, which is also seen in people with cryo visions, but it’s also about being careful trusting someone who sees themselves as of higher power. You could also tie this to the traveler getting electro powers
this actually makes much more sense than expected lol
I had this theory for a long time actually, that celestia uses the gnosis to channel the archons' elemental energy and use it to give visions to the allogenes to monitor them. Maybe it has something to do with the archons ideals, or maybe Ei's gnosis run out of elemental energy to channel after 500 years
Xiao's vision story mentions, "But do adepti receive their Visions as a form of acknowledgement from Celestia like humans do?".
finally, a confirmation...i knew it just didnt make sense to have the archon themselves to grant vision, like how did they know people from halfway across the world to be suited for their archon's element?
Well people don't desire electro because they can't do vaporize or melt to showcase big number dmg
I have just started reading the web comic of Genshin Impact and Celestia is shrouded in a lot of mystery that even Venti doesn't want to talk about. So if it were true that Celestia is the one that grants people a "vision" based on their desires and ambitions then perhaps the price or cost that comes with it isn't as great as they claim it to be a gateway or ascension to godhood. I may be wrong though but after seeing how not having the favor of the gods (which includes Celestia) has taken a toll on ordinary people's minds in the game.
im still waiting for the manga to continue
its in fucking cliffhanger state
@@dain6633 same goes here
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Hmmm if this is the case then its kinda awkward how kaeya and albedo got visions considering that they are from kaenriah.
The way I see it is that, visions are indeed granted by an unknown being from Celestia, but the terms and conditions to get one are decided by the archons of a specific element. Ex: Sayu and Venti are so much alike personality wise :)
Kinda feels like the Constellations in Omniscient Reader
Celestia: *Has a monopoly on magic*
Fatui: "It is free estate"
So guys Its our job to spread the news.. to old genshin player and other players that do not read lores.. because there is a big misconception about visions. and theory about it. many people already made a video of how archons gave visions.. so lets clear this thing
Ok, so the visions are granted by the Celestia but the element aligns with the archon's ideals.
idk, something about Yoimiya and Hu Tao going to war seems really funny.
edit: it's just a joke
Lmao! But to be fair, for me the criteria of a pyro vision seems to be closer to passion than just war. All the pyro vision bearers are a bit too passionate about what they do imo.
I mean, Yoimiya loves explosions and what explodes? Bombs and grenades.
Hu Tao handles the dead, and what group of people die a lot? Soldiers. Unfortunately.
Tangential, but still related. But passion is most likely the real ideal.
Its burning passion not war
Of course no one would desire to have an electro vision. Need to buff it first.
one can't help but shudder when you realize Klee was given a vision aligned with the Pyro Archon's ideals ...
BOOM BOOM BAKUDAN💥
You know, I came up with a theory that since vision is not tied to the archon as much as we originally thought, and more about one's desire, it would explain a couple of stuff.
1. it's why most people who gets vision are kids / teens. Such period of someone's life are when one's ambition is among the strongest.
2. It explains why different nation has different shape of Vision. Where one grows up determines what nation the vision is tied to, thus why Kaeya, Albedo (from khaen'riah) and Amber (who is half Liyuean) has Mondstat vision.
3. continuation to number 2, it might also explain why Some hilichurls are able to control elements, because they perceive the tangible form of ambition differently from human. Maybe, for them, they perceive them as a form of a staff! The staff carried by samachurl are Hilichurl's version of Vision.
But that's just my theory!
Now that's a twist to the story
yh i was confused as to why kazuha's friend's vision got awakened when raiden was supposedly against it
It may also be becoz she has no ties with celestia as mentioned in the story. As a result no new electro visions were granted to the people of teyvat.
Ei has locked herself in her Plane of Euthymia for at least a couple centuries now. She’s cut ties with Celestia a long time ago.
The thing is that she gave her Gnosis to Miko a long time ago, so the timeline doesn't add up.
Just adding to the the other comments, it's probably she locked herself 500 years ago. It matches the dead if her most precious person, and also, Ei always say that the marionette is made of an ancient technology. Khaneri'ah was advance in technology, maybe them build it for her.
Sumeru coming up, we can finally touch grass