this is perfect, can't wait to try it out! thank you thomas! i was so frustrated the whole of last week with carv asking me to focus on early forward movement, what with imagining squashing a coin at my arch, explaining to me for the upteenth time why it's important but not actually TELLING ME HOW. there's a gold mine of tips and drills on your youtube channel, please link these as notifications when we take a break say during lunch or at the end of a ski day. i know there are already notifications in place when they congratulate us on our progress for the day. just add in these videos as a popup/summary where relevant to our focus metric for the day.
I've been using Carv since buying it on kickstarter (minus the covid years) and I second this frustration with some of the tips. Carv has been a game changer for me, nothing is perfect though and this issue is the biggest one for me. Once you've heard it a 3 or 4 times it becomes a source of real irritation. I've always stuck with it as I felt overtime there will be an increasing bank of tips or short videos to get over what it is trying to get us to do. The section where Thomas introduces the metrics and explains about the push and pull would be a perfect short video that could be watched on the chairlift or even on the side of the piste. Multiply this by all the cues and I think it'd radically improve what is already an outstanding product. Getting that cue that clicks it all into place is very personal, so having as many options as possible would improve things. I've made the suggestion several times that having the ability to turn off negative only sounds would be great too. A simple toggle switch for those that wish to use it. My wife has not renewed her Carv membership because of this. It can make her feel frustrated and worthless. She would know that she's not hit the target if the sound doesn't chime, she doesn't need a negative noise that is in her ear essentially saying, "you're crap, you're crap, you're crap" every turn. It's a tiny change programatically, but a massive difference to the experience and feeling of using the system.
Same! Some of the tips are missing important context. I was assuming "early forward movement" was about moving the new outside ski around the turn ("forward") early. Very poorly explained in the app.
I attended a 3-day Carv clinic this past December organized by Thomas and staffed by some of the most superb instructors I've ever seen. Since returning to Vail, my understanding of how to ski in balance and manage the forces that build throughout a turn has made me a better skier and instructor. 8 days ago, Vail picked up 18 inches of fluff, and I was given a level 7 group of skiers all about 1/2 my age. I had never taught a level 7 on a powder day and was not all that satisfied with my own skiing in all that fluff. Last month, during the first day of the Carv Performance Institute, Aspen received about 10 inches of fresh snow. Our coach was a superb skier and instructor named Kimberly Mann and we focused on many of the things Thomas displays in this video. It was the first time I felt comfortable staying close to the fall line in powder and lumpy snow. What I learned over the 3 day CPI all came together last Sunday and was likely the best day of skiing and teaching I have ever had.
One of the best videos (and maybe one of the only ones) that explained this concept so well. This “clicked” for me in one of my ski trips recently, and when you get it right the sensation of carving and control is waaay better… For a beginner yes makes sense you tell him/her to lean forward, but as you want to progress on your level this concept is so important! Thank you!
Great vid, took me decades to unlearn the locked forward position and relearn balance. Wish these videos had been available for me ten years ago. Some of those exercises require core muscle activation, for those of us in office jobs it’s helpful to remind us to activate our core at the start of each movement
Thank you for this video. I have carv 2 and I used it for a week's ski holiday in December and concentrated on trying to improve my early forward movement. I found the tips from the carv app like "try to imagine rising from a chair" to be unhelpful and I didn't really improve my score or Ski IQ that much. The tip in this video describing the actual dynamics of the foot seems actually much more useful as it gives a better sense and visualisation of what action I should be taking and how it should actually feel. I will try this method when I ski again later this week and see if it improves my score for this metric.
Very good video on this intricate skill. It won't happen until you are ready. And yes to have the concept in your mind prepares you well. For me it ties into upper and lower body separation a lot but in the forward aft direction too. Another way to explain the top of the turn topple in, to the new turn by letting your lower body/ski's and boots move away to the outside of the turn momentarily. It's a breath taking moment as your gonna feel as if you're about to catch an edge and fall.
Phenomenal noise filters. The audio is so crisp in this video it took me a few minutes to get used to it. Instructors have told me to "move my weight forward" for ages, then one day I realized it's much easier for me to think of "moving my skis back" instead. Now do an updated one for edge similarity in this format please
I was skiing just yesterday (at Copper :) and working on moving my body across my skis, and pretty quickly I realized it's so much easier to focus on moving my feet. Then saw this tonight!
I found this video very helpful and clear. As others mentioned, the on slope cues are only slightly helpful and there is just so much analytic information available through the app that it can actually be very overwhelming. As an intermediate skier, I have a sense of what I should be doing but struggle with the how. Having instruction videos like this one that would link to your target metrics would be great. You could watch the video during a break and then try out the drills the rest of the day. I think this would really help with the motor learning and retention of the movement patterns.
Analysis paralysis is a real thing. The only proper cure is good cannabis and a good can of beer. Ski out of your mind. In 1980 my first clinician recommended I ski on acid. When it was the right time I did and reaLLY ENJOYED MYSELF at Bachelor in May 18" freshies tree skiing the Outback before it was cut with runs local racer Redge guided me tripping balls as well.
"kicking a ball" and "push/pull your feet forward/back" are great prompts! I just might understand now...looking forward to trying it out with carv2 this weekend!
Great video. I have skied CARV for 10 days or so, and I really struggle to get the Early Forward Movement concept. It would be great to have these videos directly accessible in app, one for each variable.
Where was this video one month ago when I was going insane trying to increase my early forward movement scores?? I finally started figuring it out from an old Reddit post. Great video! And useful app. Would be good to get this "pull your feet back" tip into the app. Also, for others like me who grew accustomed to holding their ankles stiff and rigid: you gotta loosen up and flex those ankles to move back and forward!
This really resonated with me. I've been fighting the snow. I'm pretty strong. Thought I just needed to get stronger to perform better. But I haven't been using the ski to its full potential because I haven't been cutting the snow. I"m scoring much better on the balance and early forward movement for my rotary turns. Still need to improve it more for my longer radius carved turns.
Hi Carv, I'm really happy you put out this video as the metric "midturn balance" didn't make a lot of sense to me because if I get a low score, I don't know if I am too much forward or too much backward. Anyhow, I now understand what it measures but the score still doesn't tell me much. My best ski IQ is 161 yet my midturn balance score varies a lot. I tried changing a lot of different things while skiing but it is always inconsistent. Then, I looked up data from some of the best Carv users such as Ted Ligety and others, and everyone seems to have a very wide range (between 45 and 93 % in case of Ted Ligety) yet the ski IQ for each turn is very high (170+) regardless of the percentage. Could you please comment on this? Perhaps you can give a better explanation of this metric and how one can improve it. Additionally, I really liked how in the old version there was a fore-aft metric. I am not sure if you are able to bring that back now that there are no insoles. Thanks in advance and keep up great work!
Hi Mark, Different skiers have different strengths. Skiers like Ted get great edge angle scores, where as other skiers score very highly on balance. These are just different ways to ski. Carv 2 still measures for and aft balance, we just split it into the two metrics - mid turn balance and early forward movement. Hopefully this video helps you understand them a bit better!
The snow itself provides energetic feed back through the phase change. Gauge pressure manipulations then allow you to decide to speed up, slow down, how much turning is needed for a certain course.
Thanks for this Carv and Thomas, this is the video that I’ve been looking for to improve Early Forward Movement. Could you elaborate on the amount of time you should pull and push the ski? It seems like this is a very subtle movement which takes place in fraction of a second. And the movement is only a few centimetres. Great to get a bit more of a steer on that.
thank you, quite clear; how does the timing for the early forward movement relate to the transition weight release? i.e. should i "push my feet backwards" at the same time / position in the turn as i am "pulling my feet up" to lighten the skis? if not, which comes first?
In a carved turn - you release the energy from your old turn in the transition then move your weight forward - it’s slightly different for everyone depending on body mechanics - we’d suggest trying monitor mode in which ever metric you’re working on and exploring which order of movement gives you the highest scores
How does Carv (v2 so no footbeds) measure your early forward movement? It can't detect where your weight is without the pressure sensing footbeds so I guess it's tracking the movement of the skis and saying if X happens then your EFM must have been Y? I ask because I spent 11 days skiing at new year and most of the time Carv had me working on EFM. Didn't seem to matter what I did, scores mostly around 19, if I get more than 25 that's a good score for me. But much of the time I was skiing almost on ice, it was hard packed, little to no fresh snow in weeks, and often I had no grip and just slide sideways out of control. When there was a bit of snow and some grip, my EFM (and other) scores were a bit better. So if I'm sliding sideways does Carv know I'm on ice or does it think I need to improve EFM?
@@CarvSki Yes but they all sound terrible - will this be improved? I presume you're aware of the issue as you hired an actress to do the voice over for youtube rather than use the actual Carv voice...
Thanks, this a great video! Is it push your feet forward as you go around the turn and then pull your feet back as you cross the pitch, then rinse repeat?
How does CARV2 indicate if you've used too much early forward movement? Is there an optimum number? (In CARV1, users were challenged to aim for fore-aft balance between 45-60%)
Thanks for the video from someone who struggles with early forward movement score. When you’re moving your legs forward, are you doing this for both legs at once or just the outside ski leg?
How does this tie into moving forward by stepping forward through the hip? Not sure of the best way of putting it, but the idea is to use the hip to move forward moving the hip forward and left at the beginning of a turn to the right. I certainly find the method in this video easier.
I’ve notice when you do the “move back”, it’s like you rise just a bit. This seems the be the only way to increase my EFM but I’ve had people tell me, “with modern skis you shouldn’t come up in the transition like that.” Am I missing something?
Unfortunately some people think or speak in all or nothing. While doing very aggressive carved turns like ski racers it is far more effective not to go up put release the built up force (rebound) and as necessary retract the skis. However, in the video he is not skiing like that. A little bit of up is appropriate to unweight the skis.
Hello This is pretty new to my ears but when we say : top of the turn , ball of the feet Mid turn middle End of the turn on the heel to stop skidding the tail It’s quite the same concept ? Thanks
Hi Tom, Thomas is trying to describe: Pull your feet behind you at the start of the turn - moving your weight onto the ball of the foot. Then push your feet forward towards the middle / end of turn to put your weight onto the front of the heel - helping the tails of the skis grip Sorry for the confusion
@@Steph-iw3hr Following this comment! In Ted's course (which has now gone from the platform, much to my dismay) he talks about it as a hamstring curl, but I'm looking forward to the response here.
I try to better understand: while the skis are sliding downhill carrying the whole body weight, it seems difficult, not to say impossible, to "PULL" the feet (or legs) back. So, the real thing, it seems to me, might be to "RELEASE" somehow the weight on the skis so as to get the feeling, or effect, of the feet (or legs) being pulled back. If that understanding is correct, then the question will be: how to release the weight on the skis when it's time to do so? With my anticipated apology if my comment is too ignorant.
Who can afford to ski in the US of A? When I was a skier we got season passes for a family of four for $350.00. Today four days of skiing for a single person costs more. That is not inflation it is fantastical.
this is perfect, can't wait to try it out! thank you thomas!
i was so frustrated the whole of last week with carv asking me to focus on early forward movement, what with imagining squashing a coin at my arch, explaining to me for the upteenth time why it's important but not actually TELLING ME HOW. there's a gold mine of tips and drills on your youtube channel, please link these as notifications when we take a break say during lunch or at the end of a ski day.
i know there are already notifications in place when they congratulate us on our progress for the day. just add in these videos as a popup/summary where relevant to our focus metric for the day.
Great suggestion
I've been using Carv since buying it on kickstarter (minus the covid years) and I second this frustration with some of the tips. Carv has been a game changer for me, nothing is perfect though and this issue is the biggest one for me. Once you've heard it a 3 or 4 times it becomes a source of real irritation. I've always stuck with it as I felt overtime there will be an increasing bank of tips or short videos to get over what it is trying to get us to do. The section where Thomas introduces the metrics and explains about the push and pull would be a perfect short video that could be watched on the chairlift or even on the side of the piste. Multiply this by all the cues and I think it'd radically improve what is already an outstanding product. Getting that cue that clicks it all into place is very personal, so having as many options as possible would improve things.
I've made the suggestion several times that having the ability to turn off negative only sounds would be great too. A simple toggle switch for those that wish to use it. My wife has not renewed her Carv membership because of this. It can make her feel frustrated and worthless. She would know that she's not hit the target if the sound doesn't chime, she doesn't need a negative noise that is in her ear essentially saying, "you're crap, you're crap, you're crap" every turn. It's a tiny change programatically, but a massive difference to the experience and feeling of using the system.
Same! Some of the tips are missing important context. I was assuming "early forward movement" was about moving the new outside ski around the turn ("forward") early. Very poorly explained in the app.
there is nothing like individual feedback. I love when my trainer says "You can do it! Now teach it to the staff."
I attended a 3-day Carv clinic this past December organized by Thomas and staffed by some of the most superb instructors I've ever seen. Since returning to Vail, my understanding of how to ski in balance and manage the forces that build throughout a turn has made me a better skier and instructor. 8 days ago, Vail picked up 18 inches of fluff, and I was given a level 7 group of skiers all about 1/2 my age. I had never taught a level 7 on a powder day and was not all that satisfied with my own skiing in all that fluff. Last month, during the first day of the Carv Performance Institute, Aspen received about 10 inches of fresh snow. Our coach was a superb skier and instructor named Kimberly Mann and we focused on many of the things Thomas displays in this video. It was the first time I felt comfortable staying close to the fall line in powder and lumpy snow. What I learned over the 3 day CPI all came together last Sunday and was likely the best day of skiing and teaching I have ever had.
They seem to deliver a more 'functional' approach to skiing. Would you mind disclosing how much a 3 day clinic costs?
One of the best videos (and maybe one of the only ones) that explained this concept so well. This “clicked” for me in one of my ski trips recently, and when you get it right the sensation of carving and control is waaay better…
For a beginner yes makes sense you tell him/her to lean forward, but as you want to progress on your level this concept is so important!
Thank you!
Thanks!
Great vid, took me decades to unlearn the locked forward position and relearn balance. Wish these videos had been available for me ten years ago.
Some of those exercises require core muscle activation, for those of us in office jobs it’s helpful to remind us to activate our core at the start of each movement
Glad it was helpful!
Thank you for this video.
I have carv 2 and I used it for a week's ski holiday in December and concentrated on trying to improve my early forward movement.
I found the tips from the carv app like "try to imagine rising from a chair" to be unhelpful and I didn't really improve my score or Ski IQ that much.
The tip in this video describing the actual dynamics of the foot seems actually much more useful as it gives a better sense and visualisation of what action I should be taking and how it should actually feel.
I will try this method when I ski again later this week and see if it improves my score for this metric.
Let us know if you improve!
Very good video on this intricate skill. It won't happen until you are ready. And yes to have the concept in your mind prepares you well. For me it ties into upper and lower body separation a lot but in the forward aft direction too. Another way to explain the top of the turn topple in, to the new turn by letting your lower body/ski's and boots move away to the outside of the turn momentarily. It's a breath taking moment as your gonna feel as if you're about to catch an edge and fall.
Yes - some people call this move topple
Thank you for this video! The analogy of slicing warm bread helped with understanding the key concepts taught in this exercise.
Glad it was helpful!
Phenomenal noise filters. The audio is so crisp in this video it took me a few minutes to get used to it.
Instructors have told me to "move my weight forward" for ages, then one day I realized it's much easier for me to think of "moving my skis back" instead.
Now do an updated one for edge similarity in this format please
Thank you! We will do!
("Ollie!") it's a secret....
Same here, "moving my skis back" achieved to "move my weight forward"😊
I’ve always had issues with smooth turns, but these drills will really help me. Thank you for sharing your expertise 😊
Hope it helps
I was skiing just yesterday (at Copper :) and working on moving my body across my skis, and pretty quickly I realized it's so much easier to focus on moving my feet. Then saw this tonight!
Amazing!
This is a great video and exactly the kind of breakdown I need! Now to practice it!
Let us know how it goes
I found this video very helpful and clear. As others mentioned, the on slope cues are only slightly helpful and there is just so much analytic information available through the app that it can actually be very overwhelming. As an intermediate skier, I have a sense of what I should be doing but struggle with the how. Having instruction videos like this one that would link to your target metrics would be great. You could watch the video during a break and then try out the drills the rest of the day. I think this would really help with the motor learning and retention of the movement patterns.
Thanks for the feedback!
Analysis paralysis is a real thing. The only proper cure is good cannabis and a good can of beer. Ski out of your mind. In 1980 my first clinician recommended I ski on acid. When it was the right time I did and reaLLY ENJOYED MYSELF at Bachelor in May 18" freshies tree skiing the Outback before it was cut with runs local racer Redge guided me tripping balls as well.
This is essential for completing each turn using the whole ski .
Thanks for sharing . . .
You are welcome
"kicking a ball" and "push/pull your feet forward/back" are great prompts! I just might understand now...looking forward to trying it out with carv2 this weekend!
Have fun!
If you are already sitting back, "pull/push your feet back/forward" may work better.
These videos are really helpful. I didn't even know I could get that immediate feedback from my Carve system.
Glad we can help
Great video. I have skied CARV for 10 days or so, and I really struggle to get the Early Forward Movement concept. It would be great to have these videos directly accessible in app, one for each variable.
Great suggestion
Where was this video one month ago when I was going insane trying to increase my early forward movement scores?? I finally started figuring it out from an old Reddit post.
Great video! And useful app. Would be good to get this "pull your feet back" tip into the app.
Also, for others like me who grew accustomed to holding their ankles stiff and rigid: you gotta loosen up and flex those ankles to move back and forward!
Great suggestion thank you
Can't wait for the weekend. Thank you!
You bet!
One of the best explanations that I have ever seen...! Great job and conceptions 👌👍
Glad you liked it!
This really resonated with me. I've been fighting the snow. I'm pretty strong. Thought I just needed to get stronger to perform better. But I haven't been using the ski to its full potential because I haven't been cutting the snow. I"m scoring much better on the balance and early forward movement for my rotary turns. Still need to improve it more for my longer radius carved turns.
You can do it!
Excellent! Already in my ski tutorials playlist.
Thank you
Thanks, this is the best exlanation I ever have got. Until now, I have workt against the snow, in future, I will try to do it whit the snow.
Work with the snow!
You've nailed it ! Thank you so much.
Glad it was helpful!
Simply incredible explanations!!!!
Glad it helped!
Hi Carv, I'm really happy you put out this video as the metric "midturn balance" didn't make a lot of sense to me because if I get a low score, I don't know if I am too much forward or too much backward. Anyhow, I now understand what it measures but the score still doesn't tell me much. My best ski IQ is 161 yet my midturn balance score varies a lot. I tried changing a lot of different things while skiing but it is always inconsistent. Then, I looked up data from some of the best Carv users such as Ted Ligety and others, and everyone seems to have a very wide range (between 45 and 93 % in case of Ted Ligety) yet the ski IQ for each turn is very high (170+) regardless of the percentage. Could you please comment on this? Perhaps you can give a better explanation of this metric and how one can improve it.
Additionally, I really liked how in the old version there was a fore-aft metric. I am not sure if you are able to bring that back now that there are no insoles.
Thanks in advance and keep up great work!
Hi Mark,
Different skiers have different strengths. Skiers like Ted get great edge angle scores, where as other skiers score very highly on balance. These are just different ways to ski.
Carv 2 still measures for and aft balance, we just split it into the two metrics - mid turn balance and early forward movement. Hopefully this video helps you understand them a bit better!
Thank you for this video!
Glad it was helpful!
The snow itself provides energetic feed back through the phase change. Gauge pressure manipulations then allow you to decide to speed up, slow down, how much turning is needed for a certain course.
Thanks for this Carv and Thomas, this is the video that I’ve been looking for to improve Early Forward Movement. Could you elaborate on the amount of time you should pull and push the ski? It seems like this is a very subtle movement which takes place in fraction of a second. And the movement is only a few centimetres. Great to get a bit more of a steer on that.
You’re correct - it’s not a large movement - just enough to feel your weight moving from the ball to the front of the heel
very gentle nice skiing indeed :)
Very!
thank you, quite clear; how does the timing for the early forward movement relate to the transition weight release?
i.e. should i "push my feet backwards" at the same time / position in the turn as i am "pulling my feet up" to lighten the skis?
if not, which comes first?
In a carved turn - you release the energy from your old turn in the transition then move your weight forward - it’s slightly different for everyone depending on body mechanics - we’d suggest trying monitor mode in which ever metric you’re working on and exploring which order of movement gives you the highest scores
How does Carv (v2 so no footbeds) measure your early forward movement? It can't detect where your weight is without the pressure sensing footbeds so I guess it's tracking the movement of the skis and saying if X happens then your EFM must have been Y? I ask because I spent 11 days skiing at new year and most of the time Carv had me working on EFM. Didn't seem to matter what I did, scores mostly around 19, if I get more than 25 that's a good score for me. But much of the time I was skiing almost on ice, it was hard packed, little to no fresh snow in weeks, and often I had no grip and just slide sideways out of control. When there was a bit of snow and some grip, my EFM (and other) scores were a bit better. So if I'm sliding sideways does Carv know I'm on ice or does it think I need to improve EFM?
Is Carv planning to upgrade the voices in the app? They sound nothing like in this video, and remind me of what MacOS 6.0 used to offer in the 80s...
You can download different voice options for Carv depending on your device
@@CarvSki Yes but they all sound terrible - will this be improved? I presume you're aware of the issue as you hired an actress to do the voice over for youtube rather than use the actual Carv voice...
Great lesson. How steep is the slope at 3minutes? 20⁰?
Thanks, this a great video! Is it push your feet forward as you go around the turn and then pull your feet back as you cross the pitch, then rinse repeat?
Exactly
Very good tips and video. Why on ski sometimes don’t act as i would like to? I can turn with the righ ski but left one stays behind ?
How does CARV2 indicate if you've used too much early forward movement? Is there an optimum number? (In CARV1, users were challenged to aim for fore-aft balance between 45-60%)
The closer your forward movement is to ideal - the higher the score
Thanks for the video from someone who struggles with early forward movement score. When you’re moving your legs forward, are you doing this for both legs at once or just the outside ski leg?
Both legs - move your feet backwards towards move your weight forward!
How does this tie into moving forward by stepping forward through the hip? Not sure of the best way of putting it, but the idea is to use the hip to move forward moving the hip forward and left at the beginning of a turn to the right. I certainly find the method in this video easier.
Different ways of doing the same thing :)
@ I was wondering if that was the case. Seemed like it should be. Thanks for confirming.
is this supposed to be for both feet at the same time, or alternating?
Both
I’ve notice when you do the “move back”, it’s like you rise just a bit. This seems the be the only way to increase my EFM but I’ve had people tell me, “with modern skis you shouldn’t come up in the transition like that.” Am I missing something?
Unfortunately some people think or speak in all or nothing. While doing very aggressive carved turns like ski racers it is far more effective not to go up put release the built up force (rebound) and as necessary retract the skis. However, in the video he is not skiing like that. A little bit of up is appropriate to unweight the skis.
Retract the skis = pull the feet up (to unweight skis)
Hello
This is pretty new to my ears but when we say : top of the turn , ball of the feet
Mid turn middle
End of the turn on the heel to stop skidding the tail
It’s quite the same concept ?
Thanks
Exactly yes!
Hi Tom,
Thomas is trying to describe:
Pull your feet behind you at the start of the turn - moving your weight onto the ball of the foot.
Then push your feet forward towards the middle / end of turn to put your weight onto the front of the heel - helping the tails of the skis grip
Sorry for the confusion
@@CarvSki the pull back is hamstring pullback move ? Od diffeeent one ? Thanks
@@Steph-iw3hr Following this comment! In Ted's course (which has now gone from the platform, much to my dismay) he talks about it as a hamstring curl, but I'm looking forward to the response here.
I try to better understand: while the skis are sliding downhill carrying the whole body weight, it seems difficult, not to say impossible, to "PULL" the feet (or legs) back. So, the real thing, it seems to me, might be to "RELEASE" somehow the weight on the skis so as to get the feeling, or effect, of the feet (or legs) being pulled back. If that understanding is correct, then the question will be: how to release the weight on the skis when it's time to do so? With my anticipated apology if my comment is too ignorant.
Think of moving your feet behind you which brings your body forwards
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We used to call it “squirting” the feet forward 😄
What flex boot is the best for this ?
Depends on the skier - you can do in any flex
is it Hintertuxer Gletscher ?
Yep
Who can afford to ski in the US of A? When I was a skier we got season passes for a family of four for $350.00. Today four days of skiing for a single person costs more. That is not inflation it is fantastical.
Doesn’t that burn your legs?
Balancing with your feet is easier than balancing with your upper body
This is a great vid - but I find this soooo difficult- any suggestions most welcome
Practice somewhere very flat to start
Add other languages please guys 🙏🙏