I have owned 3 vehicles with the 5.7 and 3 with the 3.6. I'm just going to start by saying that I've never gotten good gas mileage on a hemi engine, partly because it's inefficient and partly because smashing the pedal on a hemi makes everyone happy. I grenaded one 5.7 and had problems with the other 2 with the cylinder deactivation. I own a 2022 ram 1500 with the 3.6 etorque and besides a problem with the battery having "physical damage" when I first got the truck it has been great. I drive it slow, get good gas mileage, tows my 7x12 trailer perfectly and it is a great work truck. I plan to own the truck for at least 6 years so I mainly bought the v6 for reliability.
Note difference of "smashing the pedal on a hemi makes everyone happy" then the "drive it slow, get good gas mileage" which shows everyone that it's not the engine in this case, but the driver.
@@joshkrause2977 Idk beats me ask your local dealer. I’m speaking on my experience. For me the pentastar has proven itself 10x over to be the better motor. Mine is about 11 years old now and doesn’t even hiccup.
I have the 2023 ram 3.6l. Just got to 1k miles and it’s really smooth and way better on gas than my last gmc. I do miss my Sierra and that V8 but I added the Pedal Commander to the Ram. This helped with the slight lag in the throttle response. Next I want to add a new exhaust and air intake. That’s about all I can add lol. Great video
I've owned a 2015 3.6 with the 3.55 ratio for over 3 years now. Been very happy with it. I don't do a lot of towing, just a small camper in the summer. So it's perfect for me. Plenty of power for what I'm using it for. Great video as always!
Awesome to hear man! Thats exactly what the V6 is perfect for. Some lighter towing but still plenty of power and reliability to make a good solid truck
Good video. Had/have 2 pentastar engines (13-van and 19-1500) I bought for intended use. Mostly city, weekend cottage runs and some trailer work (pulling motorbikes). Both engines were solid and I didn’t really notice any lack of power for what I was doing with them. Tried my friends Hemi, was a gas to step on the pedal and have her snap too but I don’t normally do that with my Ram. All I want was the engine to be reliable, put the key in and go and do what I need it to do (haul kids and kit) safe and sound. Now the bikes on the other hand.. that’s for the fun factor!
I own a 2019 ram with the v6 and so far so good. I use it hauling kids and occasionally getting groceries,mulch and odd furniture. I drive 10 miles to town and in the city driving. Plenty of power for my needs and has been dependable. I don't haul heavy loads or drive long distances. I also change the oil at 4000 miles
exactly what the v6 option is for! someone who enjoys the benefits of having a truck but does not need to tow 10,000 lbs. Happy it's treating you well!
I'm on my third Ram with the 3.6L engine and loved them all! 250,000 km when I sold the last one which was still running beautifully. I felt like a traitor when it went out the driveway for the last time..
300hp V6 does great for 1/2 ton purpose gets 27mpg highway in 2wd version same as my minivan. I have 205k with no problems. Keep that oil changed like clock work & it'll last.
BS, no 3.6 get 27 mpg in these trucks unless you're rolling down a hill the whole trip. I have had mine for many highway trips driving empty and the best I've seen is 22.
Had a 2016 Ram 1500 with the 3.6 Pentstar. Great engine. Over 96000 miles no problem- gave it to my son in law a year & a half ago and he has it up to 120000 miles- problem free
I hate to burst your bubble. 120,000 miles is really not very much. I see hemis go 300,000+ + all the time. It all comes down to how you take care of it. And if you actually take preventive measures to make sure that you don't have issues. If you just need a pickup truck to throw shit in the bed then that is a perfectly fine setup. But anything more than that and you need more. They have a decent amount of horsepower but they are not very torquey. Not great for towing. Hell my pre hemi 5.9 Magnum engine will out tow that pentastar all damn day. With 50 less horsepower.
I have a 2021 ram classic with the 3.6l, I haul a 7000lb enclosed construction trailer, quite frequently, little harder on fuel but stills pulls it like a dream
Very well done video! Your information was clear and accurate. I have a 2014 Ram 1500 with the 3.6. Been wonderful and plenty of power for me and I have pulled 5,000 lbs.
@@flynnryder7798 tow capacity on a single or occasional use is with designed capacity is different from daily with that same capacity on how can effect service life where chassis and braking is a factor as to why the 2500 and 3500 series should be considered.
@@Mauser1965 Of course. I occasionally haul my boat, and it is usually for short distances. This 500 mile trip isnt something I do often. If I was towing heavy weights every day, I would not want a 1500.
I have the 2022 Ram 1500 with the V6 and average 22.3. I mix highway and city driving. The current mileage is 24,000. Power is perfectly fine does rev high when you merge onto the highway. This is a company truck so I had not decision in the selection of the engine. That said I’m thoroughly happy with it!
I have a 22 V6. Built to Serve. Absolutely love this truck and it performs plenty well for me but I couldn't be more disappointed in my fuel mileage. Best I ever got on the highway was almost 20mpg from Tampa to Atlanta. Very flat..no wind. 70-75mph. Best I've ever gotten in town is 16. I dont beat it. I dont pull anything and I'm usually by myself. Not quite 10k miles. Getting ready for second oil change. Any suggestions? Did yours struggle during break in? Tires are 5psi over recommended psi.
Oil pump solenoids die, camshafts wipe out, oil coolers leak everywhere and rear mains dont seal. That being said, this engine is solid if maintained. I work on these every day, and i would buy any vehicle with this in a heartbeat
I have a 3.6 Pentastar in my 2016 Chrysler 200. Had it since new. Not a lick of trouble. It is a good strong and reliable engine. As far as a full sized pick-up is concerned, I think for people who mostly use a pick-up truck like a station wagon, such as homeowners hauling something occasionally, it would be fine. If you need a truck to haul heavy loads a lot, it isn't the best choice.
Exactly, truck duty is defined by it's case use. i.e. 1500/2500/3500 Which is why many cases the heavier duty trucks overall tend to be resold overall, which proof can be seen on the market.
I picked up a 2020 4WD crew Bighorn about 6 months ago. Real world combined mpg is about 18.5. I did hit 24.5 on a leisurely drive on country roads. More than adequate power for my needs. At this point, I'm quite satisfied.
FYI...I have a 2017 standard cab 4WD, 3:55 rear, and I real world AVERAGE 21-24 most of the time except when towing my camper. Just telling you that to let you know how much you lose driving a crew cab. If you absolutely need one for family then it is what it is but if you really don't need one then the effort to find and buy a standard cab is well worth it. So many people buy crew cabs that never ever use the back seats for passengers because the dealers usually only stock 4 door trucks. That is a lot of extra weight to be carrying around for nothing all the time if you don't need it.
The rocker arm problems are normally caused by the hydraulic valve lash adjuster getting plugged up. Good way to keep this problem from occurring is to add 1 oz of Marvel Mystery Oil per quart the oil change interval. Or, you could just about a week before you're going to get your oil changed at about a half a quart sometimes a full court, cuz it's going to be a little low, of Marvel Mystery Oil to the oil and run it for about a week before you get your oil change that will keep the inside of the engine really clean. And just for Giggles, a bottle of ATF will do the same thing. Automatic transmission fluid will also help the seals stay nice and resilient.
My mother-in-law has a 2014 jeep grand Cherokee limited with the 3.6 L Pentastar V6. She’s currently at 147,000 miles and so far no issues from the engine. She’s a very gentle driver and just drives it around and to work. She has had one trouble code for an EVAP purge valve. But the area in which we live does not do emissions testing, so it doesn’t matter anyways to her. She loves her jeep. She’s always bought jeeps and I doubt she’ll buy anything else!
A good example, as those who beat on a vehicle and do not take care of it. Basically abuse it cannot expect it to last. Best found vehicles tend to be those owned by older folks that have been stored in a garage as well. aka "barn find"
A 3.6L dual overhead cam motor----with all the slick electronics that our engines have today---can create more than 1.3 horsepower per cubic inch without resorting to a turbo. And last a long time. Wife had a GMC Acadia that weighed almost as much as these 1500 Rams and that GMC never felt sluggish. The 3.6 RAM should feel even better with the hybrid system.
Traded my 2011 Base Grand Cherokee - 3.6L, (113K Miles) for a brand new 2024 Ram 1500 Big Horn - 3.6L -2WD - Anti Spin Differential -Rear Axel, Crew Cab. It meets my needs. It is a Florida Daily Driver. No Towing, No Hauling Vehicle. Plenty of power. Great mileage, smooth Pavement Cruiser. It has loads of options.I got a GREAT deal. I bought the MOPAR MAX CARE -8 Year, 125K Mile Extended Warranty with a $100.00 deductible and Transferability. Happy as can be 8.5 months later. The engine is a proven, reliable entity which more than meets my needs. I paid less up front so I understand I may get back less when I sell it, unless a practical person with similar needs, is the next buyer. Thanks for the review.
I had to replace an injector at 50k miles on my 2017 Ram V6. It cost me $250 cause I got the lifetime warranty. I'm happy with it at almost 100k miles now.
Agree. Have noticed that most problems are linked to poor maintenance. Hemi tick, most videos show dirty and low oil. Family has a few 3.6. No problems of any kind. I do all my own maintenance so I would buy another ram. I never even go 5000 on oil. Always use full synthetic.
I have a 2014 with the 3.6, bought it with 35,000 miles. Now has 165,000 miles and have had zero problems and all I’ve done is regular oil changes and tune up at 100k miles, I even towed a 8000lb camper 60 miles to campground in the spring and back home again in the fall every year, for 4 yrs. Granted this is the northern Midwest with no hills, I wouldn’t recommend it anywhere else, but it got the job done every year. My neighbor has one with 275,000 on it.
I baby my 3.6 liter motor in my Wrangler JL the same way I babied the 4.2 liter in my beloved 1986 CJ7 Renegade. Even though I use synthetic motor oil I still change it every 3,500 miles. Plus just like my CJ7 I only use 93 octane fuel. I purchased my CJ7 Renegade brand new and had it for ten years putting 157,000 miles on it. The body rotted out but the motor was quiet. I expect my Wrangler JL to easily hit 250,000 miles. It’s a great motor.
I own a 1500 with the 3.6L the 5.7L vs the V6 is only a difference of 305HP vs 395HP. I was trying to save money on gas and I dont tow anything more than 4000lbs. I owned the 5.7L in a challenger and it was a great engine to break the back tires loss lol loved it.
You're only looking at horsepower numbers. But when we were talking about the application for pickup trucks, torque is the more important number. And 395-410 vs 260-265 it is quite a big difference. Torque is the actual working power produced from the engine. From what you have described, the 3.6 is just fine for you. But don't make it out like there's not some giant difference between the two because there is.
I have a 2014 Ram 1500 4X4 with the 3.6 and a 2018 Grand Cherokee with a 3.6 as well. They have both been flawless through a combined 170,000 miles. The Ram consistently gets over 20 mpg in combined driving and 23 on the highway. The JGC add about 2 MPG to those numbers. I do some light towing (up to 5K) with the Ram and it handles it with minimal downshifting.
Yeah I just got that in my 2014 grand cherokee but at 130,000 miles and I'm looking to get a truck and this is one of my options it's a 22 and he did say alot of the issues were fixed or at least better
I used to have a Pentastar in my old '16 Wrangler JKU, with 3.21 rear axle and a manual, and it was absolutely anemic - you really had to rev it out to get any kind of useful torque out of it. HEMI trucks (even a Power Wagon which I briefly drove) feel like muscle cars by comparison. I am sure it would've been a lot better coupled to an 8-speed ZF and lower rear-axle gears, but can't imagine having a 3.6L in a full-sized truck.
I’ve had the 5.7 hemi, the 4.7, the Cummins , 318,360, and now the 3.6 with 3.21 gears. The 3.6 does all I need it to do and gets good gas mileage. If you want to really use a truck to tow move up to a 3/4 ton or higher. The 3.6 with the 8speed and 3.21 set is a much better combo for a daily commuter and tows anything you should be towing with a half ton . I think dodge did good with this combo for the majority of peoples needs. Have a blessed day.
I had a 1500 reg cab 8ft bed Tradesman w/ 3.6, I absolutely loved it but towing capacity was only 4k lbs my trailer is 7k. I recently upgraded to a crewcab longbed 4x4 6.4 Hemi, tows great but a ruff ride.
160k miles on my 2018 Ram 3.6... It's been great. Fuel efficient and plenty peppy for me. No problems yet. I don't work it hard though, just a daily commuter. I never buy the first year of a new generation of vehicle.
I agree with you. Pick up truck buyers have ability to select a truck based on intended use. If you live in a city and want a very versatile vehicle, this truck with the 6 cylinder is probably perfect. I drive 3/4 trucks because I operate a ranch, but I wouldn’t hesitate to buy the 1500 if I didn’t have that need for power. Modern pickup trucks drive almost like cars, so why buy a sedan or hatchback when can get the same amenities in a truck with much more versatility?
The only thing I can think of is that people overload their trucks beyond what's legal. So many people I talk to had no idea tongue weight drops payload. Most 1500 trucks won't be able to safely tow a 7500 lb trailer either because of the tow restrictions or payload once they load up the family of four and all conveniences inside, not to mention what they put in the bed of the truck.
Currently running a tradesman 1500 regular cab work truck with the 3.6 penstar and have 150k miles on it. Flawless and absolutely love it! Only thing I've had to fix was the serpentine bearing which cost my like $26 online and mechanic threw it on for $112. Great power, smooth shifting, reliable and mpg is insane. If I really try it can get 23mpg on average.
I have a 2017 Chrysler Pacifica with the 3.6 Pentastar. So far, 75k miles no problems. I change the oil and filter every 5k miles. Do that , and you will get 200k miles out of these cars.Excellent engine.
I would definitely rate the 3.6 a 4.5/5 stars. I bought mine brand new a year ago and have currently put 132k on it. Only thing I've had to replace is the 48V battery pack($3500), Fuel pump (1800) and we changed the spark plugs a few weeks ago. Only thing I hated most was. It took almost 6 hours to pull apart the manifold and accessories to change just 3 spark plugs on the driver side. However, I do Long hauls with it across country. I have pulled 9600 through Arizona and CA mountains with no problem. The engine is actually made to hold a redline up hill and will hold 6k RPM and not blow up. I have been generally satisfied.
wow holding 6k RPM is no joke. I am curious about the battery pack though, because that's just too bad. personally I would rather the e-torque be an option and not come standard because I would want it for that exact reason.
You've had it a year, spent an additional $5300 above the payments, and you are satisfied? We're the battery pack and fuel pump covered by the warranty?
Warranty ran out in first 6 mo with 75k miles. All cash outta pocket. Yes I am satisfied with it as I've put it thru every test and still going. 40k truck made me 500k this year. U tell me.
I have a Chrysler 300 3.6 with 180k miles on it. Runs flawlessly and I easily get over 30mpg. I even push it as high as 37-38mpg. Around town I usually get about 20-25mpg, not too bad for a 4k lb car. I saw someone was mentioning the ZF transmission. The ZF is used in many forms and I think it was 3 HP ratings. 8HP45=450 hp, 8HP650? =650 hp, and one higher hp was something like 850hp. My car has the 8 speed ZF. It's an impressive engine! 300hp is nothing to be embarrassed about. The car wizard was talking up the Northstar which has like 325 and it's a V8. lol
this is honestly a great option. mild hybrid systems are far more preferable over just start stop as the hybrid part can get the vehicle moving while the engine is starting up. and using the 48v system to get it started saves the 12v crank battery from possibly going flat from usually not having enough charge time after starting the engine. great system to use on an existing platform and everyone i've talked to has enjoyed the systems.
Great review. For someone like me who never owned a pickup truck and never tows, this might be the one. Good deal on them now on the 24 black addition. I had 3 GC with same block, never one issue.
Something they have needed to do since the 3.9 is a factory supercharged 6 cylinder. Ripp makes an excellent kit for the 3.6 and for the life of me I can't figure out why stellantis won't do the same
Every time an engine is failing it seems like a ticking issue. I had a 2010 Hemi 1500. 164,000 miles started getting misfire errors. We fixed those. Wasn’t aware it was known the lifters go. They went, it what actually was the misfires. Lifters shaved metal into the engine. Chrysler wouldn’t touch it. So I traded it in on a 2020 Ram Big Horn with the V6. I have enjoyed it so far. 27,000 miles after 2 years. Feels as quick as my hemi. Yes the hemi had more horsepower and can hit another level. But the pennistar with the etourqe takes off and quick. Would have been 30-60 days for a new engine from Chrysler and the same to rebuild from a separate shop. I have a business and needed a truck. Hate GM, never liked Fords I’ve driven. Tundra was changing models and it wasn’t released yet. So I bought what I like Dodge/Ram! Was planning on getting 2 more years out of that 2010 and hit close to 200,000 miles. But it didn’t happen. Loved that truck. It never in 11+ years ever left me stranded on the side of the road and I drove many many late nights. Wish I didn’t have to trade it. I’d have had it fixed. But it was the pandemic
I owned a 1997 1500 with 5.7 hemi and liked it. Now own a 2015 1500 with 3.6 and like it. Tows my fishing boat great on the highway, no engine problems. Passes on 2 lane highways just fine. A few minor issues with other things on the truck, such as foldaway side mirrors not operating properly, but overall, very happy with the 1500 and the 3.6, will likely get another soon. Still researching the etorque configuration. Good video with good info that current and future truck owners are interested in learning about when researching a truck purchase.
I had a 14 4x2 1500 RAM. Relatively speaking, I really liked how it performed. It did blow an oil filter gasket at just over 60k. I was told by the dealer that's been a known issue; expansion and contraction from hot to cold in the winter causes this. So now, I just trade them in before 60k.
I mean nothing wrong with riding out the warranty and getting a new truck. in reality every vehicle is made to last the warranty period and then fail after lol
Vehicles aren’t designed to fail at a certain mileage, they literally put millions of test miles on these vehicles before releasing them IE stress testing!
I have a 2018 and before 50k miles the radiator had cracked and the oil filter housing had to be replaced because of a sizeable oil leak. Outside of that, it's been a great truck
Based on my experience and the fact of a class action suit on the issue, I’d be sure to have sufficient warranty coverage during ownership. The repair for P0302 costs $3000 at the dealership. It’s a great engine with up to 28mpg in my minivan. Made it to 135,000 miles.
Great video. I have 3 pentastar 2 16 and 1 17 all wrangler. Both 16 have had left head replaced 1 65k 1 120k. 17 is still all original. Have resorted to removing hood insulation and top engine covers. Hoping to reduce heat build up in that area. I change oil every 3k running 5w30 not the 5w20. My goal is 300k on all.
Since you’re doing pros and cons, it might have been a good idea to note the hemi has issues too. Two ticks, 1) the header bolts break and you get a leak that ticks. $800 per side at the dealer because of busted bolt recovery. 2) the hemi tick. Which the odds of getting are near removed if you don’t idle. Just get in a drive.
Thank you for sharing your thoughts on this engine vs. the 5.7. One topic that you did not mention was cost of ownership; outside of the fuel cost differences. By this, I mean specifically maintenance. Assuming that the average person won't have your skill set for doing their own tune ups for example, what difference would you estimate there is between a tuneup for the 5.7 Hemi and the Pentastar. I'm imagining variables such as maintenance schedules for things such as spark plug changes, labor hours, or normal maintenance schedule parts costs. It would be great to get your take on this given your knowledge and expertise. Thanks again for really informative videos!
I've owned a couple of F150's with the 5.4 triton, and I once had one with the 5.0 coyote. I've also owned two ram 1500's with each having the 5.7. Last week I went and got a Ram with the 3.6. I have to admit that I was hesitant because I was locked in to the V8 world. I have to say I was shocked when I test drove the v6 drive train. I had no idea how well the v6 pulls this truck. Needless to say I was sold. And so far the mpg's are very impressive. I've put 250 miles on it and i'm still above half a tank. The majority of those miles have been city driving.
More than I can say about my Frontier! She likes to drink. Still a brand new engine though with 260 miles. Lol I get 15 mpg. I was partial to ram, loved my 2011 ram and 06 Dakota rt. Figured I'd give Nissan's 3.8 a try. Glad to hear your 3.6 ram is treating you well! I almost went with one. I might one day if my Nissan is a lemon.
@@texttwenty-nine1627 I've had my ram for seven months now. All said and done I would have went with the V8. The MPG's are only slightly better. And I sure do miss the power. If you get the v6 in a head wind it never wants to leave 6th gear. Which, needless to say kills the mileage.
From reading all these messages, people only complain about the hemi tick, which isn't an issue at all. The first issue that was talked about in the video is enough to make a truck guy not want to get a V6 engine truck. I had a 2006 300C with a hemi w/ 300K miles (it was in a hit and run), 2013 300C hemi w/ 171K miles, loved it (sold it for my next car) 2018 300C V6 w/ 89K miles on it (sold it) 2013 ram 1500 hemi, had it for 5yrs now and all i replaced was a water pump. My buddy has a 2020 ram 1500 V6 engine and had to take it in cuz he was smelling fuel inside the cabin.
But to ask another question. What will the fuel efficiency of the 3.0L Hurricane Engine be when it's introduced to the RAM Pickups. How will what compare with the 5.7L Hemi MDS and 3.6L Pentastar?
Might be important to mention oil cooler issue. It isn't a hard fix but all of them before 2016 have an issue in cold climates. Dorman makes an upgraded aluminum one.
@@couchpotato2160 I am looking for one 2016 and up with under $100K. I do not like the goofy shifter in the 2014-15 version that killed the Star Trek actor and had the huge recall
I’m curious about the longevity of the eTorque. For those of us that keep a vehicle for a long time, I’d hate to replace the Lithium battery, especially when they stop making that specific size/setup.
I was googling it after seeing a few people screaming to avoid the etorque. Looks like some lemon law class actions already underway and major etorque failures including kicking in the emergency brake while driving at highway speeds? Leaking rear windows hitting the battery, pcm failures. Just seems like headache.
My 14 has the hemi my 17 has the 3.6. My v6 does what my hemi can do without being in the shop as much 🤷🏻♂️. I just don’t get that hemi rumble which I can trade for reliability
I have a Power Wagon and 2019 ram 1500. I just picked up new 2022 GMC with a 2.7 turbo 4 cylinder. 430 lbs of torque for a Dailey work truck. Very impressive so far . I always thought Ram would turbo the pentastar at some time.
The 3.6 is an okay engine, but the 5.7 hemi is definitely a better engine for a full size 4x4 truck. If you watch Fastlane truck, Stubby, their brand new 3.6 Pentastar 4x4 Ram 1500, was struggling towing 5000lbs. Now that was at 7% grade doing the world's toughest towing test the Ike gauntlet but my point is still valid. I'd say if you plan to do any sort of towing or use it as a work truck make sure you get the 5.7 Hemi option.
I saw that video. The problem was the gear ratios. They were going too fast for second and too slow for third. They had 3.21 gears. It needed the 3.55 gears. It would have gone at least 10 mph faster since it could have pulled more rpm in third.
@@user-tb7rn1il3q you're right they were at the top of second and the bottom of third but in my humble opinion 3.55 gears wouldn't have helped much vs the 3.21s. That's not a huge difference in gearing maybe 300 RPM at the same speed which wouldn't have been enough for that little V6... now maybe if they had like 4.11 gears it would have definitely made all the difference but that would kill fuel economy when you're not towing so much you might as well have the hemi
There is one other known issue with the Pentastar, that being the cheap plastic oil cooler which tends to crack & fail. It's located on top of the block right down under the upper intake for some reason and thus just sits down there between the cylinder banks baking away; when it lets loose due to repeated heat cycles it can either leak oil and/or coolant externally or internally (which is not good, as oil & coolant don't mix), and is a big job labour-wise to get to. The are after-market aluminium ones that solve this problem though.
I really wanted to give the ecodiesel a shot. But cam gear sprockets breaking free, bearing failure, and crankshafts splitting in half is just too much risk. Hemi is no better with the lack of oil to the cam which causes the cam/lifter failure. Pentastar is your best bet.
I had a 2019 V-6 and the overall power was adequate at lower elevations, especially after I installed a pedal commander to get rid of the throttle lag (it had the 3.21 gears) during takeoff. In hilly or mountainous areas, it hunted the gears and regularly ran near 4k rpm's barely loaded to maintain interstate speeds. The truck itself was great, the 3.6 was merely okay. Also, my gas mileage was never close to the EPA ratings, whereas I regularly hit it with my 22' 2.7 F-150 and can still smoke a hemi. Waiting for the 3L Hurricane to arrive for the Ram' then I'm trading in my Ford lol
Yeah sure.... There is ALWAYS one of those "My car is faster than your car" guys in every motor vehicle comment section...Grow up little man nobody gives a F*** about your Ford truck
You’re definitely taking Fentanyl” if you think that pos F150 can take on a Hemi” an F150 can get up but, it ain’t no Hemi” try comparing it to Nissan Titan, GMC Colorado or Canyon
My 5.7 Ram loaded with camping gear still gets better mileage than my 3.6 JK on exact same trip from Cambridge to Bancroft. But combined city/ hwy the 3.6 wins by a huge margin.
Ya I would say if you were doing mostly city driving you would experience a bigger difference between the two engines. But on the highway the Hemi does very well
I have a 14 with the pentastar in it. I bought it new. It has just a hair over 113k miles on in now. It’s been ok. My only complaint is the oils filter housing. It will crack eventually and the repair is pricey. And I had an injector go out. Other than that it’s been great.
Right at a grand. The part is cheap it’s the labor. And if an owner is close for the hundred thousand mile mark when it happens may as well do the plugs and the pvc valve while the top of the motor is off. Most shops will cut you a break on labor.
My 2019 ram 1500 with the 3.6 has had so many issues. Spent about 7 total months at the dealer getting work done. BCPM failure, had to have the e-torque batter replaced, coolant leak, transmission sensor replacement, oil leak, rear speed sensor failure. Would shut off at low speed, not to mention the A/C sucks from factory.
I love love love my 3.6 2014 Challenger! 148k with a radiator fan replacement and a blend door actuator...really? All it has been is filters, fluids and fun. Put a Pedal Commander on it and hit the gas in the turns. I like how it develops power also, It almost has a Euro feel to it. I may add a Borla exhaust just to give it that nice sound.
I read the comments (some very informative) and listened to this video (very knowledgeable speaker) and here are my conclusions: for me, trailering a horse in the Sierra mountains is going to be a struggle at 7000 feet elevation even with my Brenderup trailer (1300 pounds empty, then add an 1100# Arabian) where I’ll be well within the GCWR for the Tradesman. I read one comment about the engine screaming at 4000 rpm in the mountains. That was a little scary. The speaker recommended using higher octane fuel which offsets the mpg advantage. It sounds like the V6 is for the flat lander hauling groceries. BTW, I test drove the V6 yesterday on the flat, not in the mountains, and not towing, and it was a nice truck so it is a good choice probably for the commuter. I also want 4x4 so I am not stuck on a dirt path in the mountains with my horse and trailer. I am keeping by 2005 Ram 3500 2WD (duh, why didn’t I have the sense to get 4x4 then-thought I was saving money then) for the big tows on pavement only (gooseneck horse trailer). The Ram 3500 has 95000 miles and is a beast and smooth as silk. With the 5.9L engine it pulls the 10,000#. Trailer in the mountains like a breeze running at 1,400 rpm about. Never a problem with that truck and its been to Montana and back to Cali.
I have a 2014 with the pentastar. The oil sender went spewing oil all over the engine bay... probably due to severe cold temperatures (-42 degrees). It's a know weakness in the engine.
Hello how are you doing I've been watching your video on the V6 Dodge I've got one in the pickup truck love it to death I'm a Canadian I drive to my Cottage 2 hours away up and down Hills my gas gauge reads 9.8 sometimes less on the gas gauge that's equivalent to 32 miles a gallon power is there for what I need I can pull a trailer no problem
I have a 2015 Ram 1500 3.6 outdoorsman and it has 101,000 miles on it and I’ve had it since new and change with full synthetic every 7000 miles and sometimes less.Should I change the timing belt on it ? I have no issues or noises at all .
I have a Ram 1500 Big Horn 4x4 with a V6 engine. (33k miles) This is my first ever pickup I’m having some buyers remorse because it’s not a V8. (I had to get out of a car that had a lot of problems underneath that I couldn’t afford to fix) The truck has been great thus far(haven’t had it long) Did I make a good choice? What do you think?
I couldn't do a truck with a v6. I'm too old school. I mean the sound of a v8 alone is enough for me. I also just like the power delivery from a v8 better. I'll take a hit on fuel consumption. Speaking of fuel consumption lol, when do we get another video on the powerwagon?
I'm exactly with you. a good old pick up truck should have that snarly v8 sound to it. but as simple as the v6 is, it would probably run and drive just fine for most people. as for the power wagon I was really hoping the snow would have fallen by now but we are still waiting. I want to get her in the snow!
@@TheGettyAdventures I totally agree as far as the point of it being enough for a lot of people. Just not for me lol. I'm looking forward to seeing more PW content. Really considering one.
If you are buying a 1500 series truck to do "work", haul loads and tow occasionally, to me, a V-8 is a necessity. I can see V-6 truck being used for light delivery or a grocery getter and an occasional trip to a Home Depot. Just my personal opinion. Great video Alex!
I pull more with my 3.6 than I do with a 5.7. I get way better gas mileage and pulls just as great. I've got scale tickets from Texas to CA with 9600 pounds behind me.
I had a 2013 Ram 3.6. Now i have a 2019 Hemi. The Hemi is definitely more powerful but sometimes I miss the V6. My Hemi does not have etorque and i hope it doesn't develop the Hemi tick. The Hemi is competitive with gas mileage. I got 19 average with the V6 and i get 18 with the Hemi.
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I have owned 3 vehicles with the 5.7 and 3 with the 3.6. I'm just going to start by saying that I've never gotten good gas mileage on a hemi engine, partly because it's inefficient and partly because smashing the pedal on a hemi makes everyone happy. I grenaded one 5.7 and had problems with the other 2 with the cylinder deactivation. I own a 2022 ram 1500 with the 3.6 etorque and besides a problem with the battery having "physical damage" when I first got the truck it has been great. I drive it slow, get good gas mileage, tows my 7x12 trailer perfectly and it is a great work truck. I plan to own the truck for at least 6 years so I mainly bought the v6 for reliability.
Note difference of "smashing the pedal on a hemi makes everyone happy" then the "drive it slow, get good gas mileage" which shows everyone that it's not the engine in this case, but the driver.
I’ve owned a 21 Ram bighorn with the 3.6 in it and couldn’t be happier!
Just bought the same truck good power for me .
@@davidkanalos6710yeah I just got one today Im really happy with it so far
Love the 3.6 pentstar engine. No hemi tick and low idle oil pressure causing lifter and camshaft failure. 3.6 is the engine for me
I have a hemi with no hemi tick, most hemi’s don’t either lol.
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I’ve had both 5.7 hemi and pentastar . I love the hemi but it’s more problematic. My pentastar ram is more reliable in every aspect.
Exactly why im looking at the v6, my hemi has the lifter issue ( most guys i know do)
@@nonenone9286 so why did pentastar have a class action lawsuit in 2022 about the v6 lifter issues???
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Idk beats me ask your local dealer.
I’m speaking on my experience.
For me the pentastar has proven itself 10x over to be the better motor. Mine is about 11 years old now and doesn’t even hiccup.
I have the 2023 ram 3.6l. Just got to 1k miles and it’s really smooth and way better on gas than my last gmc. I do miss my Sierra and that V8 but I added the Pedal Commander to the Ram. This helped with the slight lag in the throttle response. Next I want to add a new exhaust and air intake. That’s about all I can add lol. Great video
I've owned a 2015 3.6 with the 3.55 ratio for over 3 years now. Been very happy with it. I don't do a lot of towing, just a small camper in the summer. So it's perfect for me. Plenty of power for what I'm using it for. Great video as always!
Awesome to hear man! Thats exactly what the V6 is perfect for. Some lighter towing but still plenty of power and reliability to make a good solid truck
That makes it the perfect truck, 305hp and good fule mileage.
Can you give an update and tell us how it’s holding up
Good video. Had/have 2 pentastar engines (13-van and 19-1500) I bought for intended use. Mostly city, weekend cottage runs and some trailer work (pulling motorbikes). Both engines were solid and I didn’t really notice any lack of power for what I was doing with them. Tried my friends Hemi, was a gas to step on the pedal and have her snap too but I don’t normally do that with my Ram. All I want was the engine to be reliable, put the key in and go and do what I need it to do (haul kids and kit) safe and sound. Now the bikes on the other hand.. that’s for the fun factor!
1500 series truck doing light duty as designed for. In amusement, my kids were never heavy enough for me to need to use a truck.
I own a 2019 ram with the v6 and so far so good. I use it hauling kids and occasionally getting groceries,mulch and odd furniture. I drive 10 miles to town and in the city driving. Plenty of power for my needs and has been dependable. I don't haul heavy loads or drive long distances. I also change the oil at 4000 miles
exactly what the v6 option is for! someone who enjoys the benefits of having a truck but does not need to tow 10,000 lbs. Happy it's treating you well!
I'm on my third Ram with the 3.6L engine and loved them all! 250,000 km when I sold the last one which was still running beautifully. I felt like a traitor when it went out the driveway for the last time..
300hp V6 does great for 1/2 ton purpose gets 27mpg highway in 2wd version same as my minivan. I have 205k with no problems. Keep that oil changed like clock work & it'll last.
What year
I have a 2018. 21-22mpg is the best it does with real everyday driving. My commute is 30 miles one way half highway, half through town.
BS, no 3.6 get 27 mpg in these trucks unless you're rolling down a hill the whole trip. I have had mine for many highway trips driving empty and the best I've seen is 22.
30mpg on the highway way is the best I've gotten in mine
Good engin POOR gas mileage unless going down hill with the wind pushing you...
I will keep my 318 great engine simple no bullshit on it still running and driving it
Fair enough !
I got a 360, love this engine. Hoping these old dinosaurs last long enough that I never have to get this crap made today.
Had a 2016 Ram 1500 with the 3.6 Pentstar. Great engine. Over 96000 miles no problem- gave it to my son in law a year & a half ago and he has it up to 120000 miles- problem free
I hate to burst your bubble. 120,000 miles is really not very much. I see hemis go 300,000+ + all the time. It all comes down to how you take care of it. And if you actually take preventive measures to make sure that you don't have issues. If you just need a pickup truck to throw shit in the bed then that is a perfectly fine setup. But anything more than that and you need more. They have a decent amount of horsepower but they are not very torquey. Not great for towing. Hell my pre hemi 5.9 Magnum engine will out tow that pentastar all damn day. With 50 less horsepower.
I have a 2021 ram classic with the 3.6l, I haul a 7000lb enclosed construction trailer, quite frequently, little harder on fuel but stills pulls it like a dream
Very well done video! Your information was clear and accurate. I have a 2014 Ram 1500 with the 3.6. Been wonderful and plenty of power for me and I have pulled 5,000 lbs.
Hell I think it pulls more than what he said I pulled 8 rolls of hay at about 950lbs a piece with no problem
I just towed my 7,000lb boat 500 miles and it was no problem with mine
@@flynnryder7798 tow capacity on a single or occasional use is with designed capacity is different from daily with that same capacity on how can effect service life where chassis and braking is a factor as to why the 2500 and 3500 series should be considered.
@@Mauser1965 Of course. I occasionally haul my boat, and it is usually for short distances. This 500 mile trip isnt something I do often. If I was towing heavy weights every day, I would not want a 1500.
I have the 2022 Ram 1500 with the V6 and average 22.3. I mix highway and city driving. The current mileage is 24,000. Power is perfectly fine does rev high when you merge onto the highway. This is a company truck so I had not decision in the selection of the engine. That said I’m thoroughly happy with it!
22.3 is great mileage nothing wrong with that!!
Does the newer pentastar engines have a bunch of plastic parts?
@@joeshmoe8952 Not sure
I have a 22 V6. Built to Serve. Absolutely love this truck and it performs plenty well for me but I couldn't be more disappointed in my fuel mileage. Best I ever got on the highway was almost 20mpg from Tampa to Atlanta. Very flat..no wind. 70-75mph. Best I've ever gotten in town is 16. I dont beat it. I dont pull anything and I'm usually by myself. Not quite 10k miles. Getting ready for second oil change. Any suggestions? Did yours struggle during break in? Tires are 5psi over recommended psi.
I just bought the 2023 e torque 1500, currently at 2000 miles and 2 months old, I am averaging 20.5 combined highway and city…
Oil pump solenoids die, camshafts wipe out, oil coolers leak everywhere and rear mains dont seal. That being said, this engine is solid if maintained. I work on these every day, and i would buy any vehicle with this in a heartbeat
I have a 3.6 Pentastar in my 2016 Chrysler 200. Had it since new. Not a lick of trouble. It is a good strong and reliable engine. As far as a full sized pick-up is concerned, I think for people who mostly use a pick-up truck like a station wagon, such as homeowners hauling something occasionally, it would be fine. If you need a truck to haul heavy loads a lot, it isn't the best choice.
Exactly, truck duty is defined by it's case use. i.e. 1500/2500/3500 Which is why many cases the heavier duty trucks overall tend to be resold overall, which proof can be seen on the market.
I’m about to purchased my first ‘17 Ram V-6, wish me luck.
I have a '17 Ram with the 3.6L V6. Engine does not disappoint.
Our ‘15 1500 crossed 160k last month and still running strong.
I picked up a 2020 4WD crew Bighorn about 6 months ago. Real world combined mpg is about 18.5. I did hit 24.5 on a leisurely drive on country roads. More than adequate power for my needs. At this point, I'm quite satisfied.
FYI...I have a 2017 standard cab 4WD, 3:55 rear, and I real world AVERAGE 21-24 most of the time except when towing my camper. Just telling you that to let you know how much you lose driving a crew cab. If you absolutely need one for family then it is what it is but if you really don't need one then the effort to find and buy a standard cab is well worth it. So many people buy crew cabs that never ever use the back seats for passengers because the dealers usually only stock 4 door trucks. That is a lot of extra weight to be carrying around for nothing all the time if you don't need it.
@@bultacowally hmmm wonder how much the quad cab would get it's slightly smaller than the crew cab
@wally walton then why is it rated at 23 & 19? My crew cab was and it gets nowhere near that. 16-18 combined if I'm lucky.
@@Rocketino1 23 hwy ?
The rocker arm problems are normally caused by the hydraulic valve lash adjuster getting plugged up. Good way to keep this problem from occurring is to add 1 oz of Marvel Mystery Oil per quart the oil change interval. Or, you could just about a week before you're going to get your oil changed at about a half a quart sometimes a full court, cuz it's going to be a little low, of Marvel Mystery Oil to the oil and run it for about a week before you get your oil change that will keep the inside of the engine really clean. And just for Giggles, a bottle of ATF will do the same thing. Automatic transmission fluid will also help the seals stay nice and resilient.
My mother-in-law has a 2014 jeep grand Cherokee limited with the 3.6 L Pentastar V6. She’s currently at 147,000 miles and so far no issues from the engine. She’s a very gentle driver and just drives it around and to work. She has had one trouble code for an EVAP purge valve. But the area in which we live does not do emissions testing, so it doesn’t matter anyways to her. She loves her jeep. She’s always bought jeeps and I doubt she’ll buy anything else!
A good example, as those who beat on a vehicle and do not take care of it. Basically abuse it cannot expect it to last. Best found vehicles tend to be those owned by older folks that have been stored in a garage as well. aka "barn find"
A 3.6L dual overhead cam motor----with all the slick electronics that our engines have today---can create more than 1.3 horsepower per cubic inch without resorting to a turbo. And last a long time. Wife had a GMC Acadia that weighed almost as much as these 1500 Rams and that GMC never felt sluggish. The 3.6 RAM should feel even better with the hybrid system.
Traded my 2011 Base Grand Cherokee - 3.6L, (113K Miles) for a brand new 2024 Ram 1500 Big Horn - 3.6L -2WD - Anti Spin Differential -Rear Axel, Crew Cab. It meets my needs.
It is a Florida Daily Driver. No Towing, No Hauling Vehicle. Plenty of power. Great mileage, smooth Pavement Cruiser. It has loads of options.I got a GREAT deal.
I bought the MOPAR MAX CARE -8 Year, 125K Mile Extended Warranty with a $100.00 deductible and Transferability.
Happy as can be 8.5 months later. The engine is a proven, reliable entity which more than meets my needs. I paid less up front so I understand I may get back less when I sell it, unless a practical person with similar needs, is the next buyer. Thanks for the review.
I had to replace an injector at 50k miles on my 2017 Ram V6. It cost me $250 cause I got the lifetime warranty. I'm happy with it at almost 100k miles now.
Imagine the cost to replace an injector on the ecodiesel v6 haha
I own a 2022 1500 Ram with this engine and its Amazing better than my 2016 Ram HEMI that I had 😊
Hows it holding up a year later if you see this? I'm looking to get a 22 for a good deal with only 17k miles on it
Agree. Have noticed that most problems are linked to poor maintenance. Hemi tick, most videos show dirty and low oil. Family has a few 3.6. No problems of any kind. I do all my own maintenance so I would buy another ram. I never even go 5000 on oil. Always use full synthetic.
I had a 6.4 Hemi tick @2k & 4k then it went away after I did my first oil change? Hope it didn't hurt the engine.
Your straight up and giving a good regular man review. Speak the truth. Thank you
I have a 2014 with the 3.6, bought it with 35,000 miles. Now has 165,000 miles and have had zero problems and all I’ve done is regular oil changes and tune up at 100k miles, I even towed a 8000lb camper 60 miles to campground in the spring and back home again in the fall every year, for 4 yrs. Granted this is the northern Midwest with no hills, I wouldn’t recommend it anywhere else, but it got the job done every year. My neighbor has one with 275,000 on it.
they are very reliable engines. dare I say almost under rated engines.
I own a 2018th Challenger with the pentastar 3.6. 120000km without any problems. Best engine Chrysler ever engineered. BR from Germany
I would agree they are great reliable engines!
2013 300 pushing 250k . Been flawless
@@leehancock2782 that’s great
@@leehancock2782 did you change the timing chain?
Facts and it does not burn oil like the chrysler 2.4 tigershark engines drinks oil like a muthafucker
I baby my 3.6 liter motor in my Wrangler JL the same way I babied the 4.2 liter in my beloved 1986 CJ7 Renegade. Even though I use synthetic motor oil I still change it every 3,500 miles. Plus just like my CJ7 I only use 93 octane fuel. I purchased my CJ7 Renegade brand new and had it for ten years putting 157,000 miles on it. The body rotted out but the motor was quiet. I expect my Wrangler JL to easily hit 250,000 miles. It’s a great motor.
I own a 1500 with the 3.6L the 5.7L vs the V6 is only a difference of 305HP vs 395HP. I was trying to save money on gas and I dont tow anything more than 4000lbs. I owned the 5.7L in a challenger and it was a great engine to break the back tires loss lol loved it.
You're only looking at horsepower numbers. But when we were talking about the application for pickup trucks, torque is the more important number. And 395-410 vs 260-265 it is quite a big difference. Torque is the actual working power produced from the engine. From what you have described, the 3.6 is just fine for you. But don't make it out like there's not some giant difference between the two because there is.
I have a 2014 Ram 1500 4X4 with the 3.6 and a 2018 Grand Cherokee with a 3.6 as well. They have both been flawless through a combined 170,000 miles. The Ram consistently gets over 20 mpg in combined driving and 23 on the highway. The JGC add about 2 MPG to those numbers. I do some light towing (up to 5K) with the Ram and it handles it with minimal downshifting.
I had the tick in my 6. $4000.00 fix just on one side @ 80000 miles but I still love it. It was in my 2014 dodge Durango.
Yeah I just got that in my 2014 grand cherokee but at 130,000 miles and I'm looking to get a truck and this is one of my options it's a 22 and he did say alot of the issues were fixed or at least better
I used to have a Pentastar in my old '16 Wrangler JKU, with 3.21 rear axle and a manual, and it was absolutely anemic - you really had to rev it out to get any kind of useful torque out of it. HEMI trucks (even a Power Wagon which I briefly drove) feel like muscle cars by comparison. I am sure it would've been a lot better coupled to an 8-speed ZF and lower rear-axle gears, but can't imagine having a 3.6L in a full-sized truck.
Same here 👍👍. I just simply prefer my Hemi and ZF. Two great great power plants and reliable.
3:21 gear ration 😂 no wonder! Yeah it’s OHC so it’s a high reving motor! Gears gears gears
I’ve had the 5.7 hemi, the 4.7, the Cummins , 318,360, and now the 3.6 with 3.21 gears. The 3.6 does all I need it to do and gets good gas mileage. If you want to really use a truck to tow move up to a 3/4 ton or higher. The 3.6 with the 8speed and 3.21 set is a much better combo for a daily commuter and tows anything you should be towing with a half ton . I think dodge did good with this combo for the majority of peoples needs. Have a blessed day.
I had a 1500 reg cab 8ft bed Tradesman w/ 3.6, I absolutely loved it but towing capacity was only 4k lbs my trailer is 7k. I recently upgraded to a crewcab longbed 4x4 6.4 Hemi, tows great but a ruff ride.
2500 it's better to tow
My 2014 1500 has the 3.6L V6. I have 72k miles on it and it's had zero issues. It's been a work truck I'll keep for many more years
My 2017 has 72k miles and is brand new
Just bought the 2023 6 cyl. , currently 2000 miles,,, great ride!!! Pick up with 20 inch wheels…
160k miles on my 2018 Ram 3.6... It's been great. Fuel efficient and plenty peppy for me. No problems yet. I don't work it hard though, just a daily commuter. I never buy the first year of a new generation of vehicle.
I agree with you. Pick up truck buyers have ability to select a truck based on intended use. If you live in a city and want a very versatile vehicle, this truck with the 6 cylinder is probably perfect. I drive 3/4 trucks because I operate a ranch, but I wouldn’t hesitate to buy the 1500 if I didn’t have that need for power. Modern pickup trucks drive almost like cars, so why buy a sedan or hatchback when can get the same amenities in a truck with much more versatility?
exactly, the modern 1500's are just like cars. they ride smooth and have all the luxuries of any vehicle.
The only thing I can think of is that people overload their trucks beyond what's legal. So many people I talk to had no idea tongue weight drops payload. Most 1500 trucks won't be able to safely tow a 7500 lb trailer either because of the tow restrictions or payload once they load up the family of four and all conveniences inside, not to mention what they put in the bed of the truck.
@@danielmonighetti3891 yep.! That 7500bs for a v6 is more like 5000 lbs. You just don't have enough payload like you said.
Currently running a tradesman 1500 regular cab work truck with the 3.6 penstar and have 150k miles on it. Flawless and absolutely love it! Only thing I've had to fix was the serpentine bearing which cost my like $26 online and mechanic threw it on for $112. Great power, smooth shifting, reliable and mpg is insane. If I really try it can get 23mpg on average.
I have a 2017 Chrysler Pacifica with the 3.6 Pentastar. So far, 75k miles no problems. I change the oil and filter every 5k miles. Do that , and you will get 200k miles out of these cars.Excellent engine.
I have a 2018 Grand Cherokee with this engine (minus the E-Torque). Been very happy with it!
Facts same here👍🏿
I would definitely rate the 3.6 a 4.5/5 stars. I bought mine brand new a year ago and have currently put 132k on it. Only thing I've had to replace is the 48V battery pack($3500), Fuel pump (1800) and we changed the spark plugs a few weeks ago. Only thing I hated most was. It took almost 6 hours to pull apart the manifold and accessories to change just 3 spark plugs on the driver side.
However, I do Long hauls with it across country. I have pulled 9600 through Arizona and CA mountains with no problem. The engine is actually made to hold a redline up hill and will hold 6k RPM and not blow up. I have been generally satisfied.
wow holding 6k RPM is no joke. I am curious about the battery pack though, because that's just too bad. personally I would rather the e-torque be an option and not come standard because I would want it for that exact reason.
@@TheGettyAdventures most reviews say they last 100k. It's part of the new ETorque system. Will definitely be getting another next year.
You've had it a year, spent an additional $5300 above the payments, and you are satisfied? We're the battery pack and fuel pump covered by the warranty?
Warranty ran out in first 6 mo with 75k miles. All cash outta pocket. Yes I am satisfied with it as I've put it thru every test and still going. 40k truck made me 500k this year. U tell me.
Currently @ 192k.
I have a 23 ram in V6, it's great. I had 2 previous rams in hemi, I don't mind the V6, still powerful.
I sold my 2014 jeep wrangler with the 3.6 with 140,000 miles. Still was running strong and showed no signs of wear
I have a Chrysler 300 3.6 with 180k miles on it. Runs flawlessly and I easily get over 30mpg. I even push it as high as 37-38mpg. Around town I usually get about 20-25mpg, not too bad for a 4k lb car. I saw someone was mentioning the ZF transmission. The ZF is used in many forms and I think it was 3 HP ratings. 8HP45=450 hp, 8HP650? =650 hp, and one higher hp was something like 850hp. My car has the 8 speed ZF. It's an impressive engine! 300hp is nothing to be embarrassed about. The car wizard was talking up the Northstar which has like 325 and it's a V8. lol
Its actually the amount of torque it can hold in nm. 8HP45 = 450nm = 331.9 ft-lbs. 8HP70 = 700nm = 516 ft-lbs
Excellent video with lots of great information. Good clear voice and no crappy music in the background.
this is honestly a great option. mild hybrid systems are far more preferable over just start stop as the hybrid part can get the vehicle moving while the engine is starting up. and using the 48v system to get it started saves the 12v crank battery from possibly going flat from usually not having enough charge time after starting the engine. great system to use on an existing platform and everyone i've talked to has enjoyed the systems.
Great review. For someone like me who never owned a pickup truck and never tows, this might be the one. Good deal on them now on the 24 black addition. I had 3 GC with same block, never one issue.
I’ve had two 3.6L engines in my Jeep Rubicons and they are fantastic!
I have a 2016 3.6 with 427k on it and a 2019 with 208k and they both run great, and the 16 model is way faster out of the 2
Really??? I wonder why that is. maybe different gearing? but either way 427k for a "modern engine" is phenomenal
Something they have needed to do since the 3.9 is a factory supercharged 6 cylinder. Ripp makes an excellent kit for the 3.6 and for the life of me I can't figure out why stellantis won't do the same
at 11.3 C/R Stellantis cant make it emission friendly
Every time an engine is failing it seems like a ticking issue. I had a 2010 Hemi 1500. 164,000 miles started getting misfire errors. We fixed those. Wasn’t aware it was known the lifters go. They went, it what actually was the misfires. Lifters shaved metal into the engine. Chrysler wouldn’t touch it. So I traded it in on a 2020 Ram Big Horn with the V6. I have enjoyed it so far. 27,000 miles after 2 years. Feels as quick as my hemi. Yes the hemi had more horsepower and can hit another level. But the pennistar with the etourqe takes off and quick. Would have been 30-60 days for a new engine from Chrysler and the same to rebuild from a separate shop. I have a business and needed a truck. Hate GM, never liked Fords I’ve driven. Tundra was changing models and it wasn’t released yet. So I bought what I like Dodge/Ram! Was planning on getting 2 more years out of that 2010 and hit close to 200,000 miles. But it didn’t happen. Loved that truck. It never in 11+ years ever left me stranded on the side of the road and I drove many many late nights. Wish I didn’t have to trade it. I’d have had it fixed. But it was the pandemic
I owned a 1997 1500 with 5.7 hemi and liked it. Now own a 2015 1500 with 3.6 and like it. Tows my fishing boat great on the highway, no engine problems. Passes on 2 lane highways just fine. A few minor issues with other things on the truck, such as foldaway side mirrors not operating properly, but overall, very happy with the 1500 and the 3.6, will likely get another soon. Still researching the etorque configuration.
Good video with good info that current and future truck owners are interested in learning about when researching a truck purchase.
There was no 5.7 hemi in 97
I had a 14 4x2 1500 RAM. Relatively speaking, I really liked how it performed. It did blow an oil filter gasket at just over 60k. I was told by the dealer that's been a known issue; expansion and contraction from hot to cold in the winter causes this. So now, I just trade them in before 60k.
I mean nothing wrong with riding out the warranty and getting a new truck. in reality every vehicle is made to last the warranty period and then fail after lol
Vehicles aren’t designed to fail at a certain mileage, they literally put millions of test miles on these vehicles before releasing them IE stress testing!
U work for dodge?
@@JohnnyDouchbag-nr5yfyes
@@JohnnyDouchbag-nr5yf nope
On a long distance trip holding 65mph I'm get 31mpg in my ram with the v6, but I seem to average 26mpg combined. Still well above the EPA rating
Come on man...
I have a 2018 and before 50k miles the radiator had cracked and the oil filter housing had to be replaced because of a sizeable oil leak. Outside of that, it's been a great truck
Based on my experience and the fact of a class action suit on the issue, I’d be sure to have sufficient warranty coverage during ownership. The repair for P0302 costs $3000 at the dealership. It’s a great engine with up to 28mpg in my minivan. Made it to 135,000 miles.
135,000 miles is weak AF
My Honda odyssey is at 250,000 and is going strong.
Great video. I have 3 pentastar 2 16 and 1 17 all wrangler. Both 16 have had left head replaced 1 65k 1 120k. 17 is still all original. Have resorted to removing hood insulation and top engine covers. Hoping to reduce heat build up in that area. I change oil every 3k running 5w30 not the 5w20. My goal is 300k on all.
Since you’re doing pros and cons, it might have been a good idea to note the hemi has issues too. Two ticks, 1) the header bolts break and you get a leak that ticks. $800 per side at the dealer because of busted bolt recovery. 2) the hemi tick. Which the odds of getting are near removed if you don’t idle. Just get in a drive.
Thank you for sharing your thoughts on this engine vs. the 5.7. One topic that you did not mention was cost of ownership; outside of the fuel cost differences. By this, I mean specifically maintenance. Assuming that the average person won't have your skill set for doing their own tune ups for example, what difference would you estimate there is between a tuneup for the 5.7 Hemi and the Pentastar. I'm imagining variables such as maintenance schedules for things such as spark plug changes, labor hours, or normal maintenance schedule parts costs. It would be great to get your take on this given your knowledge and expertise. Thanks again for really informative videos!
I've got a '12 Ram with 148,962 trouble free miles. Use Mobil 1 5W20 oil in Summer & 0W 10 in winter. Change oil every 4000 miles. Bought it new.
I've owned a couple of F150's with the 5.4 triton, and I once had one with the 5.0 coyote. I've also owned two ram 1500's with each having the 5.7. Last week I went and got a Ram with the 3.6. I have to admit that I was hesitant because I was locked in to the V8 world. I have to say I was shocked when I test drove the v6 drive train. I had no idea how well the v6 pulls this truck. Needless to say I was sold. And so far the mpg's are very impressive. I've put 250 miles on it and i'm still above half a tank. The majority of those miles have been city driving.
More than I can say about my Frontier! She likes to drink. Still a brand new engine though with 260 miles. Lol I get 15 mpg.
I was partial to ram, loved my 2011 ram and 06 Dakota rt. Figured I'd give Nissan's 3.8 a try.
Glad to hear your 3.6 ram is treating you well! I almost went with one. I might one day if my Nissan is a lemon.
@@texttwenty-nine1627 I've had my ram for seven months now. All said and done I would have went with the V8. The MPG's are only slightly better. And I sure do miss the power. If you get the v6 in a head wind it never wants to leave 6th gear. Which, needless to say kills the mileage.
Thx for the info on the pentastar V6 I just bought a 2023 & love it!! I love your 2500 Cummins diesel!! My next truck!!!
From reading all these messages, people only complain about the hemi tick, which isn't an issue at all. The first issue that was talked about in the video is enough to make a truck guy not want to get a V6 engine truck. I had a 2006 300C with a hemi w/ 300K miles (it was in a hit and run), 2013 300C hemi w/ 171K miles, loved it (sold it for my next car) 2018 300C V6 w/ 89K miles on it (sold it) 2013 ram 1500 hemi, had it for 5yrs now and all i replaced was a water pump. My buddy has a 2020 ram 1500 V6 engine and had to take it in cuz he was smelling fuel inside the cabin.
The Pentastar is a great engine, it's easy to work on and parts are not to crazy. If you have basic tools and experience you can work on them.
This one is different. It has etorque
But to ask another question. What will the fuel efficiency of the 3.0L Hurricane Engine be when it's introduced to the RAM Pickups. How will what compare with the 5.7L Hemi MDS and 3.6L Pentastar?
Might be important to mention oil cooler issue. It isn't a hard fix but all of them before 2016 have an issue in cold climates. Dorman makes an upgraded aluminum one.
Dorman is the name you’re looking for.
@@davidbottles3035 I said that already. Thank you.
Dorman is the name
I've had 4 cars with the 3.6 and never had a problem with them.
Own a 16 3.6. 80k miles no issues thus far. I heard the 8 speed trannys are good for ever too. made by some German apparently.
Good info and analysis, thanks. I am considering the 3.6L in a Jeep
What's the year and what's the milage? I have a 2014 grand cherokee with this engine in it now I'm at 130,000 miles
@@couchpotato2160 I am looking for one 2016 and up with under $100K. I do not like the goofy shifter in the 2014-15 version that killed the Star Trek actor and had the huge recall
I’m curious about the longevity of the eTorque. For those of us that keep a vehicle for a long time, I’d hate to replace the Lithium battery, especially when they stop making that specific size/setup.
I was googling it after seeing a few people screaming to avoid the etorque. Looks like some lemon law class actions already underway and major etorque failures including kicking in the emergency brake while driving at highway speeds? Leaking rear windows hitting the battery, pcm failures. Just seems like headache.
My 14 has the hemi my 17 has the 3.6. My v6 does what my hemi can do without being in the shop as much 🤷🏻♂️. I just don’t get that hemi rumble which I can trade for reliability
The 3.6 is fantastic. Just underpowered for a full sized truck imo. This engine would be great for a midsize like a tacoma/colorado/ranger.
Exactly. great engine, nothing wrong with it in the ram 1500's but I think the 5.7 is a better option
It is in a mid-side truck, the Gladiator.
@@riccochet704 true
It's in a Colorado?
Welp it's perfect for my Grand Cherokee 🤷🏿🤣🤣😂😂😭😭
Have the 3.6 in my wife’s grand Cherokee. So far no issues
I have a Power Wagon and 2019 ram 1500. I just picked up new 2022 GMC with a 2.7 turbo 4 cylinder. 430 lbs of torque for a Dailey work truck. Very impressive so far . I always thought Ram would turbo the pentastar at some time.
Well the inline 6 twin turbo engine should be replacing the the 3.6 pentastar at some point in the near future!
The GM 2.7t is a great engine especially if you tow in high elevations.
I’m picking up a v6 midnight edition thurs crew cab with the 12 inch screen hopefully I’m not disappointed
The 3.6 is an okay engine, but the 5.7 hemi is definitely a better engine for a full size 4x4 truck. If you watch Fastlane truck, Stubby, their brand new 3.6 Pentastar 4x4 Ram 1500, was struggling towing 5000lbs. Now that was at 7% grade doing the world's toughest towing test the Ike gauntlet but my point is still valid. I'd say if you plan to do any sort of towing or use it as a work truck make sure you get the 5.7 Hemi option.
I saw that video. The problem was the gear ratios. They were going too fast for second and too slow for third. They had 3.21 gears. It needed the 3.55 gears. It would have gone at least 10 mph faster since it could have pulled more rpm in third.
@@user-tb7rn1il3q you're right they were at the top of second and the bottom of third but in my humble opinion 3.55 gears wouldn't have helped much vs the 3.21s. That's not a huge difference in gearing maybe 300 RPM at the same speed which wouldn't have been enough for that little V6... now maybe if they had like 4.11 gears it would have definitely made all the difference but that would kill fuel economy when you're not towing so much you might as well have the hemi
As long you don't do excessive idle on those hemi then you good
Stubby with a 3.21 is rated to pull around 4800lb, would be factory over 7000lb rating with the 3.55 believe it or not.
There is one other known issue with the Pentastar, that being the cheap plastic oil cooler which tends to crack & fail. It's located on top of the block right down under the upper intake for some reason and thus just sits down there between the cylinder banks baking away; when it lets loose due to repeated heat cycles it can either leak oil and/or coolant externally or internally (which is not good, as oil & coolant don't mix), and is a big job labour-wise to get to. The are after-market aluminium ones that solve this problem though.
The ecodiesel was something along the lines of 30 mpg and i was averaging 33 on long highway trips back when i had one.
I really wanted to give the ecodiesel a shot. But cam gear sprockets breaking free, bearing failure, and crankshafts splitting in half is just too much risk. Hemi is no better with the lack of oil to the cam which causes the cam/lifter failure. Pentastar is your best bet.
I had a 2019 V-6 and the overall power was adequate at lower elevations, especially after I installed a pedal commander to get rid of the throttle lag (it had the 3.21 gears) during takeoff. In hilly or mountainous areas, it hunted the gears and regularly ran near 4k rpm's barely loaded to maintain interstate speeds. The truck itself was great, the 3.6 was merely okay. Also, my gas mileage was never close to the EPA ratings, whereas I regularly hit it with my 22' 2.7 F-150 and can still smoke a hemi. Waiting for the 3L Hurricane to arrive for the Ram' then I'm trading in my Ford lol
Yeah sure.... There is ALWAYS one of those "My car is faster than your car" guys in every motor vehicle comment section...Grow up little man nobody gives a F*** about your Ford truck
You're not smoking a hemi, you're smoking crack.
You’re definitely taking Fentanyl” if you think that pos F150 can take on a Hemi” an F150 can get up but, it ain’t no Hemi” try comparing it to Nissan Titan, GMC Colorado or Canyon
@@BlakWiseCracker lol good one bud. Meth fumes must be strong inside your slow hemi today
Awesome video. Very thorough thanks for all the info!
This will be a perfect fit for the new Dakota
My 5.7 Ram loaded with camping gear still gets better mileage than my 3.6 JK on exact same trip from Cambridge to Bancroft. But combined city/ hwy the 3.6 wins by a huge margin.
Ya I would say if you were doing mostly city driving you would experience a bigger difference between the two engines. But on the highway the Hemi does very well
I have a 14 with the pentastar in it. I bought it new. It has just a hair over 113k miles on in now. It’s been ok. My only complaint is the oils filter housing. It will crack eventually and the repair is pricey. And I had an injector go out. Other than that it’s been great.
really eh?? the oil filter housing cracking sounds like a crappy repair.
Right at a grand. The part is cheap it’s the labor. And if an owner is close for the hundred thousand mile mark when it happens may as well do the plugs and the pvc valve while the top of the motor is off. Most shops will cut you a break on labor.
my 2019 1500 classic 3.6 gets an average of 22.8 mpg in San Francisco bay area traffic with 89 fuel
Fantastic and informative review, thanks for posting! 👍
My 2019 ram 1500 with the 3.6 has had so many issues. Spent about 7 total months at the dealer getting work done. BCPM failure, had to have the e-torque batter replaced, coolant leak, transmission sensor replacement, oil leak, rear speed sensor failure. Would shut off at low speed, not to mention the A/C sucks from factory.
I love love love my 3.6 2014 Challenger! 148k with a radiator fan replacement and a blend door actuator...really? All it has been is filters, fluids and fun. Put a Pedal Commander on it and hit the gas in the turns. I like how it develops power also, It almost has a Euro feel to it. I may add a Borla exhaust just to give it that nice sound.
I read the comments (some very informative) and listened to this video (very knowledgeable speaker) and here are my conclusions: for me, trailering a horse in the Sierra mountains is going to be a struggle at 7000 feet elevation even with my Brenderup trailer (1300 pounds empty, then add an 1100# Arabian) where I’ll be well within the GCWR for the Tradesman. I read one comment about the engine screaming at 4000 rpm in the mountains. That was a little scary. The speaker recommended using higher octane fuel which offsets the mpg advantage. It sounds like the V6 is for the flat lander hauling groceries. BTW, I test drove the V6 yesterday on the flat, not in the mountains, and not towing, and it was a nice truck so it is a good choice probably for the commuter. I also want 4x4 so I am not stuck on a dirt path in the mountains with my horse and trailer. I am keeping by 2005 Ram 3500 2WD (duh, why didn’t I have the sense to get 4x4 then-thought I was saving money then) for the big tows on pavement only (gooseneck horse trailer). The Ram 3500 has 95000 miles and is a beast and smooth as silk. With the 5.9L engine it pulls the 10,000#. Trailer in the mountains like a breeze running at 1,400 rpm about. Never a problem with that truck and its been to Montana and back to Cali.
I have a 2014 with the pentastar. The oil sender went spewing oil all over the engine bay... probably due to severe cold temperatures (-42 degrees). It's a know weakness in the engine.
Hello how are you doing I've been watching your video on the V6 Dodge I've got one in the pickup truck love it to death I'm a Canadian I drive to my Cottage 2 hours away up and down Hills my gas gauge reads 9.8 sometimes less on the gas gauge that's equivalent to 32 miles a gallon power is there for what I need I can pull a trailer no problem
Thats awesome fuel mileage!
I have a 2015 Ram 1500 3.6 outdoorsman and it has 101,000 miles on it and I’ve had it since new and change with full synthetic every 7000 miles and sometimes less.Should I change the timing belt on it ? I have no issues or noises at all .
I have a Ram 1500 Big Horn 4x4 with a V6 engine. (33k miles)
This is my first ever pickup
I’m having some buyers remorse because it’s not a V8. (I had to get out of a car that had a lot of problems underneath that I couldn’t afford to fix)
The truck has been great thus far(haven’t had it long)
Did I make a good choice?
What do you think?
I have 2018 ram express with the 3.6 i added a cold air intake and cat back exhaust its a great engine
I couldn't do a truck with a v6. I'm too old school. I mean the sound of a v8 alone is enough for me. I also just like the power delivery from a v8 better. I'll take a hit on fuel consumption.
Speaking of fuel consumption lol, when do we get another video on the powerwagon?
I'm exactly with you. a good old pick up truck should have that snarly v8 sound to it. but as simple as the v6 is, it would probably run and drive just fine for most people. as for the power wagon I was really hoping the snow would have fallen by now but we are still waiting. I want to get her in the snow!
@@TheGettyAdventures I totally agree as far as the point of it being enough for a lot of people. Just not for me lol. I'm looking forward to seeing more PW content. Really considering one.
For someone like me who just hauls atv's dirtbikes and lumber, a v6 truck is perfect for me because i have a long commute.
If you are buying a 1500 series truck to do "work", haul loads and tow occasionally, to me, a V-8 is a necessity. I can see V-6 truck being used for light delivery or a grocery getter and an occasional trip to a Home Depot. Just my personal opinion. Great video Alex!
I pull more with my 3.6 than I do with a 5.7. I get way better gas mileage and pulls just as great. I've got scale tickets from Texas to CA with 9600 pounds behind me.
I had a 2013 Ram 3.6. Now i have a 2019 Hemi. The Hemi is definitely more powerful but sometimes I miss the V6. My Hemi does not have etorque and i hope it doesn't develop the Hemi tick. The Hemi is competitive with gas mileage. I got 19 average with the V6 and i get 18 with the Hemi.
I suspect when someone drives aggressively with a hemi they expect the poor mileage, but when they do it with a v6 they blame the engine.