This video cured my over the top swing. The feeling of hands winning the race, back to target feeling, and trail heel down has me hitting the ball much better.
The first swing showed here was the best “natural” developed swing he ever worked with, arguably the best swing he ever had. Ironically, that same swing would be shunned nowadays by coaches everywhere. His swing plane became way more shallow over the years, more Adam Scott type of plane…before it was more Justin Thomas, vertical then shallow at impact , which is maybe why he appreciates JTs game so much, amongst other things.
Butch Harmon’s basic setup drill help me far more than any other instructing I’ve ever learned. I went from shooting over 100 to mid 80’s to low 90’s. I recently looked for his drill for my son, but I couldn’t find it. I did find a drill exactly like his, I’m sure the instructor on Golf TV learned from Butch.
1:07 What is missed in this clip to that the swing is not a swing. The swing is down but not back. You play the club where you want the club to fall from. That’s why Butch talks about a position where the club just falls. The feeling should be straight as the curve happens because of rotation. You must let it “fall”. 1:29 The backswing is a take not a swing. Tiger said it out loud 🙏🏿
Just goes to show that the line between fantasy (you can coach good results) and reality (you can play well) is defined by two points: the first point is the pin, and the 2nd point is the midpoint of the line where the ball lands and where it stops rolling. I for one will fully admit that I have taught myself how to hit my mid to high irons and drivers fairly well. The low irons, my 3-wood, we're in therapy. But most of my irons and my drivers, we're on good terms. I still look at my clubhead during setup and admit that it's a matter of faith. "I've done this plenty of times before, I'll do it again no problem, just do the usual thing". I can still change the lag that I hold in my downswing and change the ball flight radically. But I only know of one way to hit the ball where I want it to go. And I just set up over the ball and do it. So to me, golf comes down to looking at the lie, looking at the desired landing area, picking a club then picking the correct technique to swing the club to make that shot happen and that comes almost completely from experience. My PW is the only iron that I have real confidence in that I can get the ball where I want it. The rest I'm happy to just get on the green heading towards the hole, even better if I can hit on a line to the pin, and my drivers and 3-wood likewise I'm happy if they just go in the fairway heading towards the green. So "confidence", I'm not really lacking. My standards are not all that high. I'm not trying to hit a 72. I'm just trying to put the ball in play somewhere that I can hit a decent follow-up shot. The big difference that I'm trying to do this from the tips, each and every time, where most players are content playing the white tees. I feel that if I don't tee-off from the back tees then I'm not really confident in my game and I care too much if I hit a bad shot. And if that is the case, then how *can* you play well? If you're worrying so much about the shot that you hit...how can you hit a decent shot like that?
You’re missing the point of doing drills though. Yes golf comes down to how we hit the ball and how straight it goes to the pin or where we are trying to play the ball so we have a decent chance to get it in the hole in as least many shots as possible. But the drills and getting the swing to be a certain way is because we can strike the ball much better, make it go much farther and straighter with the correct swing path. Doesn’t matter what clubs you’re more confident with or not, if your swing path is on plane and has some good lag in it (which should come as a result of good body movements) those long irons will feel like a pitching wedge to you. I’m not trying to hit a 72 as well but I know if I work on my swing, I can get closer and closer to that score without thinking about it. It will come as a result of better ball striking.
@@strongisland7015 ...just keep in mind that it is not an exact science and you will never be perfect at it. Keep your goals realistic and attainable and work at them step by step. Since ultimately ball flight is determine by strike quality and strike quality is determine by strike location and club orientation, speed and swing path those are the primary concerns along the road to good shot placement and consistency.
@@strongisland7015 drills are useful to the point where you learn proper swing mechanics. They are a problem when you forget that playing a real round of golf is not a drill or even a series of drills. Each shot is a test, not a drill. Don't get too wrapped-up in drills and forget to play the shot, the lie and the distance in front of you.
Great enthusiasm! The answer lies in mind blank other than in 100% target!!! The body will do what the brain believes, tells it! You can have so many things wrong otherwise but if you are Jedi Knight zoned in on target you will be shocked at how ball goes towards, at target!!!
I’ve had this same swing thought of my arms going first and my hips following for a couple of months now and hearing what most yt coaches say about having the hips move before the arms made me feel strange about it. This video was very reassuring.
The hips still get re-centered before the club is at the top and start the downswing, you can over due it though and get the club stuck behind you. That’s what this “feel” is correcting, he’s not literally starting the downswing hands first, again it’s a “feel” not a real.
@@TheWedgeWizard i know that its just a feel, but my point was that everyones talking about exaggerating the separation of upper and lower body and really "feeling" the hips go first, which is the opposite of what is shown in the video.
@@lor3n790 right, like most things in the golf swing there’s a happy medium. So many ams throw their shoulders at it from the top, come over the top and do the opposite, that’s why so much instruction is about getting the hips starting the down swing and dropping to the inside. Again there’s almost always a happy medium you don’t often hear about which is usually the biggest gripe I have with a lot of instruction, they’ll make it seem like the more of something you do the better like dropping inside for example rather than showing the Goldie locks zone and explaining both ends of the spectrum plus the causes and effects.
The title is perfect. My brother-in-law takes his driver backswing to about 90 degrees (short backswing) and then launches the club head with fake speed almost as if he’s trying to push the golf ball down the fairway. I can never tell him that because he thinks he’s got his swing all figured out as he’s been golfing longer than me.
That's interesting Life because that's exactly what I did when I first started three years ago. Finally decided to get lessons last year... the pause at the top is possible, even for amateurs. I was exactly like your brother in law though... no one could tell me different lol. 👍🏾⛳️
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when i took lessons at Bay Hill with Mr. Dick Tiddy, he taught me to hit the "Arnie draw" and he wanted me to feel like the toe of the club was coming through before the heal at impact...he said the same thing; it won't but I want you to get that feel. That was when i started to really understand the golf swing a little bit and started hitting the draw as my normal swing. I eventually started struggling a little bit with hooks and hard draws and discovered on the range that if I weakend my grip that I could swing away and the ball would go straight and then a developed a baby fade with my irons and really got good (a 4 handicap and a guy whose low round is 69.
It’s a stupid drill that Ben Hogan would have laughed at. Butch Harmon is and always has been an insane alcoholic who has lived a nice life for absolutely no other reason than his last name-period-end of story-case closed.
I think what people miss is how forcefully he brings his arms down. He feels them “falling” but he is using all of his force to bring those arms down. He bends the shaft in transition and unloads everything into the ball. This notion of letting the arms fall is flat wrong and a big reason why people don’t have enough distance and accuracy. Try it you will be surprised. Even Sergio Garcia said it’s like a pulling a rope or ringing a bell in the downswing. Bend that shaft dynamically you will be shocked at the results.
True..i feel Tigers original swing was the best.... He was coached by his dad all his life...and that original and natural swing one should not change. I feel probably these temprory coaches have somewhat ruined his game.
@@TheBharatThatWas I think his knee and back problems hurt him more than changing his swing. Also, he was impressive when he came on tour but it just resulted in escalation and people eventually caught up to him. But his strength was always shot making and clutch putting.
Yeah it’s not letting the arms fall…also, it’s not pulling a rope…it’s a bit of both and non of each….try both and they’ll fail you eventually. Back then he may have said it was a “catch and release.” If you get feels you might figure it out.
As a "feel" type player, I can 100% agree when he says feel and real are completely different things alot of time. It can be SO DIFFICULT to convey that concept to some players, particularly newer players, who often try to do exactly what you're trying to tell them to "feel" like they're doing. When teaching "feel" you're teaching sensations to aim for while hitting the golf ball. The person you're teaching must already have either an intuitive or actual understanding of their own golf swing or, at least, knowledge of various club positions within their swing to be able to apply whatever feel change you're trying to work on with them.
This is why I record my practice sessions and look at my swing. I feel like I am doing something and i have the concept down. Then I'll rewatch my swing and I wasn't doing it at all. Funny how that is, but it helped me keep tons to really get to the root of what I was doing wrong and still does. Then when what I felt like I was doing really matched with the tape, I would know I truly had the right idea.
@@aarodful that is why the ball is what you should be watching not your swing and why you worry about impact not your swing learn how to control the ball and your swing will follow naturally.
@@touristguy87 idk man. You really confusing me here. I think we are talking about 2 different things. You may be talking about feelin when you actually play just focusing on where you want the ball to go but I'm talking about feeling like you are doing something swing mechanic wise vs actually doing it in practice. Tiger in the clip was talking about how he say he feels one way about an aspect of his swing but in reality it's very different, so he is able to know that feeling is good and he should actually feel it more. That's what I was relating to. When I play I just focus on the ball and shot I want to hit, but when I'm practicing I focus on the thing I'm trying to improve and engrain into my swing. Your not trying to tell me that analyzing your video on your swing is pointless are you?
Tigers early swing was the one he should have kept. Jack and Hogan never altered their swing until father time forced them to change. Tiger was always tinkering and going through changes and it cost him the chance to pass Jack in majors and that is what counts.
@@2Stutter Tiger had back issues around 2010 and stopped winning majors in 2008. Jack had hip issues about the same time in his career. Tiger got into steroids and started looking like Barry Bonds. Jack never altered his swing. By the time of Tigers car accident he was done. He did win one major in 2019. That was eleven years after his last major. At that rate, minus the car crash, he would be on schedule to win his next major, number 16, in 2030. Considering nobody has won a major that late in life that would never happen.
Hi, can someone please explain what he means when he says “you can’t cheat/fake it” when doing the drill? Is this about putting your right elbow in the slot ?
Why are you showing Tiger’s swing in like 96, 97 in the video on the left? The swing change he is talking about with Butch wasn’t until 2000. Videos on the left are why he needed this drill in the first place. Haha
And arguably had the best swing of his life until Hank ruined it. Yes he still won alot of majors but it was his grind that helped with that. Seemed like he won by bigger margins until hank. Some argue talent got better but they forget how good he originally was.
That swing shown in the video is the best swing he ever had. If you asked him today I would bet he would love to have that swing back. He just physically wouldn’t be able to handle it. If anything, after all the changes in 2000 he was stuck with the flatter plane that worked, sure, but it will never be the natural swing that made him Tiger.
I don't know why they compare Tiger to some guy who played when there were 30 professionals playing the game and the club's were cut out of wood. There's no comparison. Tiger is WAY better than the pioneers of the game
Equipment makes the difference. Jack could adjust to today's Equipment. Tiger used wood early in his golf. The ball would be the difference, no golfers in today's modern game could adjust to the ball quickly. I played professionally in both Eras and it was hard to change from a wound ball to a solid ball. The clubs were shorter, the lofts were weaker, we were not driven by distance we were more concerned with accuracy because of the ball. Distance and money are the driving force in today's game, this is the reason golf courses are becoming obsolete, not enough land for the price to make it economical. Tiger is the greatest player of his generation, no doubt but Jack was his, Arnold was his and Bobby Jones was his. You can't compare the two. Just like who has made the most money, it's not a fair comparison.
What if they were both great? Jack played with completely different equipment that made the game much harder. Tiger also had the benefit of seeing those guys play and learning to imitate their techniques. He surpassed their abilities but he also started with a greater wealth of knowledge and better equipment at his disposal.
Just love Tiger Woods younger swing with all that flexibility, instead of the bulked up restrictive swing. Also most people believed that Tiger's swing was fundamentally Wrong and led to his injuries. But as you can see here, those people were clearly wrong. Tiger's swing was near perfect.
I never in 30yrz heard someone say tigers 2000 swing was fundamentally flawed why the fuk are you making shit up for haha jesus christ golf fans are literally the least knowledgeable shit spewers i have ever came across 😂
This is true. The best counter argument against those who say his Butch Harmon swing would lead to injury is Adam Scott, who basically has the 2000 Tiger swing and hasn’t suffered any kind of major injury in his 20+ year career. He still hits it great but unfortunately can’t putt or chip well
He snaps at every ball in his younger days, that done him in big time and down the line caught up with him. Then sean foley came along and just destroyed the man. It also didnt help he wasout riding every hot girl he came across 😂
The best swing he ever had was his Stanford to 1997 swing and it never got better it only got worse. This is one of the few videos on TH-cam of his early swing that was actually his best swing
Not as much accuracy however. Won one major before the swing change to become more accurate. Had to become a better driver of the golf ball. Not my evaluation it is factual. However visually this iteration of his swing is absolute gorgeous.
@@jimboslice375 yeah but you could argue that Sean Foley's swing destroyed his already vulnerable back, I know rotaryswing predicted he'd hurt his back as soon as he saw his swing with Foley in 2010, having his hips stay so far in front of the ball and hitting that fade
If Tiger doesn't put on all that muscle (which he didn't have the frame for) and kept his head on straight, he stays healthy throughout his career. Still the most dominant golfer in history and it's not even close.
I never bought into that bs and crap that he had to change this swing to save his back and knees etc. etc. You could easily do a slower or easier version of this swing now. He just needed to stop swinging so damn hard.
You never bought into that bullshit liike you have any clue whatsoever hahahaha he 100% had to change his swing to take the pressure off his back..thats a great idea "hey tiger just swing 20mph slower, lose all your distance and you're good to go"..jesus man think before you comment
@@jimboslice375 I’m not so sure you’re right. His back surgeries started with the Sean Foley tilt oriented swing. The best counter argument against those who say his Butch Harmon swing would lead to injury is Adam Scott, who basically has the same 2000 Tiger swing and hasn’t suffered any kind of major injury in his 20+ year career. He still hits it great but unfortunately can’t putt or chip well
@@H0VA says the spastic wbo suggested awww jeeeez alls he had to do the silly billy was an easier version of that swing and he'd have been hunky dory hahahaha do you not see the irony in you telling somebody they don't know what they're talking about you certified fool
@@H0VA says the spastic wbo suggested awww jeeeez alls he had to do the silly billy was an easier version of that swing and he'd have been hunky dory hahahaha do you not see the irony in you telling somebody they don't know what they're talking about you certified fool
I doubt any of Tiger's "coaches" did anything but cost him time and even more championships with their bullshit advice. As Moe Norman used to call them, a bunch of "80's Shooters!"
How anyone could actually pay substantial sums of money to the likes of Butch Harmon, Hank Haney and Sean Foley is frankly beyond comprehension. Something tells me that Tiger ain’t no rocket scientist-if you know what I mean.
@@dustindonley94482 pga tour wins.. Snead got 82..so tied(not broken) 15 majors.. Jack 18majors.. The 2 main records he and everybody cares about! But unfortunately not broken
@MeandMyStaffy the Haney swing wasn’t that bad. It was the Sean Foley tilt oriented swing that ruined him and was the start of all the back surgeries. Foley thankfully abandoned his old approach and seems to have gone to a more rotation based swing with Lydia Ko
This video cured my over the top swing. The feeling of hands winning the race, back to target feeling, and trail heel down has me hitting the ball much better.
The first swing showed here was the best “natural” developed swing he ever worked with, arguably the best swing he ever had. Ironically, that same swing would be shunned nowadays by coaches everywhere. His swing plane became way more shallow over the years, more Adam Scott type of plane…before it was more Justin Thomas, vertical then shallow at impact , which is maybe why he appreciates JTs game so much, amongst other things.
Insightful comment
Butch Harmon’s basic setup drill help me far more than any other instructing I’ve ever learned. I went from shooting over 100 to mid 80’s to low 90’s. I recently looked for his drill for my son, but I couldn’t find it. I did find a drill exactly like his, I’m sure the instructor on Golf TV learned from Butch.
Yes! B Harmon is great Teacher!!!
1:07 What is missed in this clip to that the swing is not a swing. The swing is down but not back. You play the club where you want the club to fall from. That’s why Butch talks about a position where the club just falls. The feeling should be straight as the curve happens because of rotation. You must let it “fall”. 1:29 The backswing is a take not a swing. Tiger said it out loud 🙏🏿
So much insight every time he talks about an experience or recalls a drill and for what reasons … thanks for helping me learn
1:52 He meant to say, he Would tell most golfers!!! There lies the secret 💯💯💯💯My exact felling
Just goes to show that the line between fantasy (you can coach good results) and reality (you can play well) is defined by two points: the first point is the pin, and the 2nd point is the midpoint of the line where the ball lands and where it stops rolling.
I for one will fully admit that I have taught myself how to hit my mid to high irons and drivers fairly well.
The low irons, my 3-wood, we're in therapy. But most of my irons and my drivers, we're on good terms.
I still look at my clubhead during setup and admit that it's a matter of faith.
"I've done this plenty of times before, I'll do it again no problem, just do the usual thing".
I can still change the lag that I hold in my downswing and change the ball flight radically.
But I only know of one way to hit the ball where I want it to go. And I just set up over the ball and do it.
So to me, golf comes down to looking at the lie, looking at the desired landing area, picking a club then picking the correct technique to swing the club to make that shot happen and that comes almost completely from experience.
My PW is the only iron that I have real confidence in that I can get the ball where I want it. The rest I'm happy to just get on the green heading towards the hole, even better if I can hit on a line to the pin, and my drivers and 3-wood likewise I'm happy if they just go in the fairway heading towards the green.
So "confidence", I'm not really lacking. My standards are not all that high. I'm not trying to hit a 72.
I'm just trying to put the ball in play somewhere that I can hit a decent follow-up shot.
The big difference that I'm trying to do this from the tips, each and every time, where most players are content playing the white tees. I feel that if I don't tee-off from the back tees then I'm not really confident in my game and I care too much if I hit a bad shot. And if that is the case, then how *can* you play well?
If you're worrying so much about the shot that you hit...how can you hit a decent shot like that?
You’re missing the point of doing drills though. Yes golf comes down to how we hit the ball and how straight it goes to the pin or where we are trying to play the ball so we have a decent chance to get it in the hole in as least many shots as possible. But the drills and getting the swing to be a certain way is because we can strike the ball much better, make it go much farther and straighter with the correct swing path. Doesn’t matter what clubs you’re more confident with or not, if your swing path is on plane and has some good lag in it (which should come as a result of good body movements) those long irons will feel like a pitching wedge to you. I’m not trying to hit a 72 as well but I know if I work on my swing, I can get closer and closer to that score without thinking about it. It will come as a result of better ball striking.
@@strongisland7015 ...just keep in mind that it is not an exact science and you will never be perfect at it. Keep your goals realistic and attainable and work at them step by step.
Since ultimately ball flight is determine by strike quality and strike quality is determine by strike location and club orientation, speed and swing path those are the primary concerns along the road to good shot placement and consistency.
@@strongisland7015 drills are useful to the point where you learn proper swing mechanics. They are a problem when you forget that playing a real round of golf is not a drill or even a series of drills. Each shot is a test, not a drill.
Don't get too wrapped-up in drills and forget to play the shot, the lie and the distance in front of you.
Great enthusiasm! The answer lies in mind blank other than in 100% target!!! The body will do what the brain believes, tells it! You can have so many things wrong otherwise but if you are Jedi Knight zoned in on target you will be shocked at how ball goes towards, at target!!!
@@silverwhale7474 you will be shocked because that is nonsense
I’ve had this same swing thought of my arms going first and my hips following for a couple of months now and hearing what most yt coaches say about having the hips move before the arms made me feel strange about it. This video was very reassuring.
The hips still get re-centered before the club is at the top and start the downswing, you can over due it though and get the club stuck behind you. That’s what this “feel” is correcting, he’s not literally starting the downswing hands first, again it’s a “feel” not a real.
@@TheWedgeWizard i know that its just a feel, but my point was that everyones talking about exaggerating the separation of upper and lower body and really "feeling" the hips go first, which is the opposite of what is shown in the video.
@@lor3n790 right, like most things in the golf swing there’s a happy medium. So many ams throw their shoulders at it from the top, come over the top and do the opposite, that’s why so much instruction is about getting the hips starting the down swing and dropping to the inside. Again there’s almost always a happy medium you don’t often hear about which is usually the biggest gripe I have with a lot of instruction, they’ll make it seem like the more of something you do the better like dropping inside for example rather than showing the Goldie locks zone and explaining both ends of the spectrum plus the causes and effects.
The title is perfect. My brother-in-law takes his driver backswing to about 90 degrees (short backswing) and then launches the club head with fake speed almost as if he’s trying to push the golf ball down the fairway. I can never tell him that because he thinks he’s got his swing all figured out as he’s been golfing longer than me.
That's interesting Life because that's exactly what I did when I first started three years ago. Finally decided to get lessons last year... the pause at the top is possible, even for amateurs. I was exactly like your brother in law though... no one could tell me different lol.
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Tell that to Jon rahm
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He says, "You wouldn't tell most amateurs this." The average weekend warrior needs a much different drill, if not the exact opposite.
This is good drill for youngsters who has fast hips. For boomers yes opposite
It's not an opposite drill. It's the same drill you just use different feels to get to the same position at impact
You’re right. A good drill for weekend warriors would be to practice extending your ball retrievers quicker.
Partly disagree. This drill can help all golfers! You get this mastered you will lose your slice. Scratch handicapper here all due respect
@@silverwhale7474Are you disagreeing with me or one of the greatest golfers of all time? He's the one that said it.
Wow. His approach with his hips and hands is the total opposite of mine. My hands are so quick that I have to tell myself to start my hips first.
when i took lessons at Bay Hill with Mr. Dick Tiddy, he taught me to hit the "Arnie draw" and he wanted me to feel like the toe of the club was coming through before the heal at impact...he said the same thing; it won't but I want you to get that feel. That was when i started to really understand the golf swing a little bit and started hitting the draw as my normal swing. I eventually started struggling a little bit with hooks and hard draws and discovered on the range that if I weakend my grip that I could swing away and the ball would go straight and then a developed a baby fade with my irons and really got good (a 4 handicap and a guy whose low round is 69.
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this is the last piece of the puzzle i needed
this drill is AMAZING
Those trousers are sick🔥🔥🔥
This drill is what made everything click for me
It’s a stupid drill that Ben Hogan would have laughed at. Butch Harmon is and always has been an insane alcoholic who has lived a nice life for absolutely no other reason than his last name-period-end of story-case closed.
@@lookmil107 come to my range and give me some tips than
He is still an excellent golfer and individual.
Tiger? Excellent golfer? Yes. Excellent individual? You must be kidding me.
That video on the left was before he won his first major and changed golf swing
I think what people miss is how forcefully he brings his arms down. He feels them “falling” but he is using all of his force to bring those arms down. He bends the shaft in transition and unloads everything into the ball. This notion of letting the arms fall is flat wrong and a big reason why people don’t have enough distance and accuracy. Try it you will be surprised. Even Sergio Garcia said it’s like a pulling a rope or ringing a bell in the downswing. Bend that shaft dynamically you will be shocked at the results.
True..i feel Tigers original swing was the best....
He was coached by his dad all his life...and that original and natural swing one should not change.
I feel probably these temprory coaches have somewhat ruined his game.
@@TheBharatThatWas I think his knee and back problems hurt him more than changing his swing. Also, he was impressive when he came on tour but it just resulted in escalation and people eventually caught up to him. But his strength was always shot making and clutch putting.
Yeah it’s not letting the arms fall…also, it’s not pulling a rope…it’s a bit of both and non of each….try both and they’ll fail you eventually. Back then he may have said it was a “catch and release.” If you get feels you might figure it out.
As a "feel" type player, I can 100% agree when he says feel and real are completely different things alot of time. It can be SO DIFFICULT to convey that concept to some players, particularly newer players, who often try to do exactly what you're trying to tell them to "feel" like they're doing. When teaching "feel" you're teaching sensations to aim for while hitting the golf ball. The person you're teaching must already have either an intuitive or actual understanding of their own golf swing or, at least, knowledge of various club positions within their swing to be able to apply whatever feel change you're trying to work on with them.
This is why I record my practice sessions and look at my swing. I feel like I am doing something and i have the concept down. Then I'll rewatch my swing and I wasn't doing it at all. Funny how that is, but it helped me keep tons to really get to the root of what I was doing wrong and still does. Then when what I felt like I was doing really matched with the tape, I would know I truly had the right idea.
@@aarodful ...the right idea is what makes the shot right regardless of what you see on video.
@@touristguy87 yes.... but I can't tell if I've properly incorporated the right idea without seeing my swing from a different perspective.
@@aarodful that is why the ball is what you should be watching not your swing
and why you worry about impact not your swing
learn how to control the ball and your swing will follow naturally.
@@touristguy87 idk man. You really confusing me here.
I think we are talking about 2 different things. You may be talking about feelin when you actually play just focusing on where you want the ball to go but I'm talking about feeling like you are doing something swing mechanic wise vs actually doing it in practice. Tiger in the clip was talking about how he say he feels one way about an aspect of his swing but in reality it's very different, so he is able to know that feeling is good and he should actually feel it more. That's what I was relating to. When I play I just focus on the ball and shot I want to hit, but when I'm practicing I focus on the thing I'm trying to improve and engrain into my swing.
Your not trying to tell me that analyzing your video on your swing is pointless are you?
Tigers early swing was the one he should have kept. Jack and Hogan never altered their swing until father time forced them to change. Tiger was always tinkering and going through changes and it cost him the chance to pass Jack in majors and that is what counts.
What cost him the chance to pass Jack was massive injuries and issues in his personal life
@@2Stutter Tiger had back issues around 2010 and stopped winning majors in 2008. Jack had hip issues about the same time in his career. Tiger got into steroids and started looking like Barry Bonds. Jack never altered his swing. By the time of Tigers car accident he was done. He did win one major in 2019. That was eleven years after his last major. At that rate, minus the car crash, he would be on schedule to win his next major, number 16, in 2030. Considering nobody has won a major that late in life that would never happen.
@@thetruthfornow6045 Tiger tore his ACL in the 08 US Open, played through it and was never the same after
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Wow. I feel like this Tiger guy is going to go places....
Might have bested Jack's 18 with that swing.
The only thing he controls are the arms and hands , the body follows it
Hi, can someone please explain what he means when he says “you can’t cheat/fake it” when doing the drill? Is this about putting your right elbow in the slot ?
Why are you showing Tiger’s swing in like 96, 97 in the video on the left? The swing change he is talking about with Butch wasn’t until 2000. Videos on the left are why he needed this drill in the first place. Haha
And arguably had the best swing of his life until Hank ruined it. Yes he still won alot of majors but it was his grind that helped with that. Seemed like he won by bigger margins until hank. Some argue talent got better but they forget how good he originally was.
That swing shown in the video is the best swing he ever had. If you asked him today I would bet he would love to have that swing back. He just physically wouldn’t be able to handle it. If anything, after all the changes in 2000 he was stuck with the flatter plane that worked, sure, but it will never be the natural swing that made him Tiger.
Such a great video
This in tennis is the same
TH-cam is ruining quality video with those thumbnails at the end.
I don't know why they compare Tiger to some guy who played when there were 30 professionals playing the game and the club's were cut out of wood. There's no comparison. Tiger is WAY better than the pioneers of the game
Don’t think so buddy I would take hay day Jack or Tiger
@@user-kz1tk7sj9p you think prime Jack would beat prime tiger? Nah
Equipment makes the difference. Jack could adjust to today's Equipment. Tiger used wood early in his golf. The ball would be the difference, no golfers in today's modern game could adjust to the ball quickly. I played professionally in both Eras and it was hard to change from a wound ball to a solid ball. The clubs were shorter, the lofts were weaker, we were not driven by distance we were more concerned with accuracy because of the ball. Distance and money are the driving force in today's game, this is the reason golf courses are becoming obsolete, not enough land for the price to make it economical. Tiger is the greatest player of his generation, no doubt but Jack was his, Arnold was his and Bobby Jones was his. You can't compare the two. Just like who has made the most money, it's not a fair comparison.
What if they were both great? Jack played with completely different equipment that made the game much harder. Tiger also had the benefit of seeing those guys play and learning to imitate their techniques. He surpassed their abilities but he also started with a greater wealth of knowledge and better equipment at his disposal.
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Better believe it. He would be jus as dominant if was playing today. He was just as long and he might be a better putter!
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Just love Tiger Woods younger swing with all that flexibility, instead of the bulked up restrictive swing. Also most people believed that Tiger's swing was fundamentally Wrong and led to his injuries. But as you can see here, those people were clearly wrong. Tiger's swing was near perfect.
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I never in 30yrz heard someone say tigers 2000 swing was fundamentally flawed why the fuk are you making shit up for haha jesus christ golf fans are literally the least knowledgeable shit spewers i have ever came across 😂
He went from upright to a flatter swing. He did it for consistency, it just looks restricted to the untrained amateur.
This is true. The best counter argument against those who say his Butch Harmon swing would lead to injury is Adam Scott, who basically has the 2000 Tiger swing and hasn’t suffered any kind of major injury in his 20+ year career. He still hits it great but unfortunately can’t putt or chip well
He snaps at every ball in his younger days, that done him in big time and down the line caught up with him. Then sean foley came along and just destroyed the man. It also didnt help he wasout riding every hot girl he came across 😂
These guys aren’t even listening. The “feeling” is that the hands start first. Almost everyone clears too early resulting in the hands getting stuck.
Spoken like a 24 handicapper🤣🤣
This is cool as fuck... but why his pants so baggy?
It was the 90s, there was plenty of money for extra material xD
guys were not snowflakes in the 90s
thats like asking why bell bottoms in the 70s. it's called trends!
Lol
Damn. You old fellas are brutal. I was just wondering if baggy pants will improve my swing.
The best swing he ever had was his Stanford to 1997 swing and it never got better it only got worse. This is one of the few videos on TH-cam of his early swing that was actually his best swing
Not as much accuracy however. Won one major before the swing change to become more accurate. Had to become a better driver of the golf ball. Not my evaluation it is factual. However visually this iteration of his swing is absolute gorgeous.
Sweet jesus its liike every single person to comment has learning difficulties, i can't even..
Umm 1999-2005 was objectively the greatest swing of all time.
Ah yes, the GOAT of all times golf swing has gotten worse. Put down that crack pipe son!!
That 1997 swing is a back breaker. He also struggled way out pacing himself. I think his 2nd swing was better
it's actually better with the sound off 😂Ramble Shamble is trizz 🗑️🚮
Wow , butch harmon twisting anything that tiger says , so to confuse us , what a snake
should have stayed with butch and never touched HEAVY weights.
Should have never left Butch……25 + majors if he stayed with him……pride is a killer at times
Yeah butch would have miraculously saved all those injuries, the scandal which cost him years and confidence and that big car crash..great point fella
I would agree and maybe kept Fluff 😊
@@jimboslice375 yeah but you could argue that Sean Foley's swing destroyed his already vulnerable back, I know rotaryswing predicted he'd hurt his back as soon as he saw his swing with Foley in 2010, having his hips stay so far in front of the ball and hitting that fade
If Tiger doesn't put on all that muscle (which he didn't have the frame for) and kept his head on straight, he stays healthy throughout his career. Still the most dominant golfer in history and it's not even close.
I never bought into that bs and crap that he had to change this swing to save his back and knees etc. etc. You could easily do a slower or easier version of this swing now. He just needed to stop swinging so damn hard.
You never bought into that bullshit liike you have any clue whatsoever hahahaha he 100% had to change his swing to take the pressure off his back..thats a great idea "hey tiger just swing 20mph slower, lose all your distance and you're good to go"..jesus man think before you comment
@@jimboslice375 I’m not so sure you’re right. His back surgeries started with the Sean Foley tilt oriented swing. The best counter argument against those who say his Butch Harmon swing would lead to injury is Adam Scott, who basically has the same 2000 Tiger swing and hasn’t suffered any kind of major injury in his 20+ year career. He still hits it great but unfortunately can’t putt or chip well
@@jimboslice375 You have no idea what you are talking about.
@@H0VA says the spastic wbo suggested awww jeeeez alls he had to do the silly billy was an easier version of that swing and he'd have been hunky dory hahahaha do you not see the irony in you telling somebody they don't know what they're talking about you certified fool
@@H0VA says the spastic wbo suggested awww jeeeez alls he had to do the silly billy was an easier version of that swing and he'd have been hunky dory hahahaha do you not see the irony in you telling somebody they don't know what they're talking about you certified fool
Meh, that guy is decent at golf but nothing special
I doubt any of Tiger's "coaches" did anything but cost him time and even more championships with their bullshit advice. As Moe Norman used to call them, a bunch of "80's Shooters!"
How anyone could actually pay substantial sums of money to the likes of Butch Harmon, Hank Haney and Sean Foley is frankly beyond comprehension. Something tells me that Tiger ain’t no rocket scientist-if you know what I mean.
He's not stopping at the top, if you want to snap at the ball, use this drill. Great for tiger, dreadful for amateurs
Lmao dude you literally don’t know Jack shit about golf but you seem to think you know more than professional players.
If only tiger had stuck with butch.. All records broken 🐯🐯
Uh, he did break all records.
@@dustindonley94482 pga tour wins.. Snead got 82..so tied(not broken)
15 majors.. Jack 18majors..
The 2 main records he and everybody cares about! But unfortunately not broken
so, who actually got him to change his swing ?
@MeandMyStaffy the Haney swing wasn’t that bad. It was the Sean Foley tilt oriented swing that ruined him and was the start of all the back surgeries. Foley thankfully abandoned his old approach and seems to have gone to a more rotation based swing with Lydia Ko
earl took tiger to see mike austin at his range and this swing is what mike showed him 1992-93
Is this the same Woods that finished 25 shots back at the Masters ?