4 Weird Questions That Might Make You an Atheist
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Ever wonder if the concept of god can be debunked with a single question? If you define a god's nature specifically enough, it can sometimes be done. The questions in this video relate to the problem of evil, as well as Pascal's Wager, and address the Abrahamic god of Christianity, Judaism, etc. If you ever wonder, "Why did God inspire the Bible?" "Is scripture the word of God?" "Why isn't it a sin to eat meat?" "Should I believe in God just in case?" or "Why does God send people to hell?" then this video is for you.
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Remember to give me your unusual questions about god! If I get some interesting ones, I might have to make another video like this!
@Genetically Modified Skeptic
If there is a God why is Earth the only inhabitable planet in our solar system?
Why create multiple planets that seem to have no purpose for life?
What is the point of anything if we're going to die and eventually be forgotten about?
Why punish people for using their free will? If God loves everyone and Jesus saves, what's the point of having sins?
For the christian god specifically: Why does god require a blood sacrifice to forgive people? Why did he need to kill himself, to appease himself, rather than just forgiving us if he's all powerful? And why wait till just 2000 years ago to extend unlimited forgiveness instead of immediately after adam and eve fell?
So these questions seem to come from the "Tri-omni paradox" (no idea what it's actually called) but when I've discussed this paradox with both christians and muslims they don't accept it. The evangelical christians seem to go along the line of that the suffering in the world is the least-bad option for the best possible outcome, ie. god knows best. Whereas the the muslims I've spoken to have gone along the "suffering is to teach us something." The latter is easier to counter, as if the afterlife is so perfect, why do we need to learn through suffering? But the other one I find hard to counter, because of the made-up supposition that there's a higher plan that humans could never understand. I'd be interested to hear your thoughts on this.
Mine is: "why do teratomas exist?"
Genetically Modified Skeptic if God is all loving and all powerful, why does he let Satan harm his people? And if Satan has free will, wouldn’t it be easier to just do anything? How does he have enough time to constantly taunt everyone with sin?
I remember when one of the people preaching at my church said, “don’t question it too much or the devil might confuse you”
Bad preacher
Those darn atheists and their.... thinking
Why does God let him confuse us?huh?
I'm starting to think the 'Devil' is just a long-enduring misinterpretation of a referral to the self. 'You might confuse you.'
@@silver3981 well the original purpose of the devil was put there by God, just to test humans, not to try and corrupt them.
For me the whole idea of "God loves you unconditionally but if you don't bealive in him he will send you for ethernal suffering" and "It's all God's plan he's too perfect for us to understand it" is extremely gaslighting.
...There is no "eternal" burning hell, this is a catholic church teaching that made its way into the world because of folks who are too indolent to search the Scriptures for themselves. God's love for us is unconditional, this He proved as He died so all could have a chance to live forever. God's love for us is not in question, our love for Him is, and all we have to do is choose to love Jesus Christ over sin. Most will choose this hair's breadth existence over an eternity of unimaginable bliss because they don't care enough to study to show themselves approved unto God. Their choice; God's will is that none should perish but that all should come to repentance. Most would rather bite than switch...
@Commodore X ...God loves us unconditionally, in other words He is not the one who chooses our destiny, we do. The reason satan was cast out of heaven is not because God hates him, but because he hates God and nothing that hates God could ever stand in His presence and live. Our God is a consuming fire; He cannot change or lower the standard, especially to allow sin to enter the kingdom, which would only cause a second rebellion and we'd be right back where we started. This life is a test, that's why it's so short; but it determines where all will spend eternity based on our choices, not His. The Bible says God's will is that none should perish but that all would come to repentance and live; as He takes no pleasure in the death of the wicked...
@@jimmccarthy80 no
Why is it so hard for atheists to know God loves them. He create3d you, the universe, and everything in it. So why is it so unreasonable for God to ask that you follow Him. We have the Bible to understand God. We have Jesus that died on the cross for our sin. He rose from the dead proving we can have a life after death. The real problem you have is that you like to sin and you don't want to stop.
@Commodore X You love to sin. You don't want to quit sinning. That is your attitude toward God. God created not only us but the whole universe and everything in it. He spoke it into existence. People are amazed by a great play in sports but they think God never did anything for us. He just spoke into existence billions of stars and planets. He created man from the dust of the earth and woman from his rib. Yet you shudder at the thought you may have to clean up your life. You are the one being selfish.
As an atheist , watching this video made me become an atheist
Same as me
A yes, the floor is made out of floor
@@loganrogers4560 only kind of true, since an atheist who would do inmoral stuff would have the same temptations if he were a believer, but maybe he wouldnt do them because of fear. That only makes you a very slightly better person in my opinion. I think striving to be a better person from your own accord is better as a goal
@@buycraft911miner2 Alt account because of shadow ban.
But it’s not about me being a good person and trying to be the best I can. It’s about others who are incapable of such self reflection and critical thinking.
All you atheist fools need to join the Free Masons. We need young critical thinkers like you to guide the world. Find your local mason club and apply.
Through religion we high functioning humans can point the lower functioning towards what is morally sound and beneficial for society.
@@loganrogers4560 I'll talk about your two points:
1- If the human mind is misguided, that's probably because they think obeying rules from a book will make them better people, while they haven't learned that you can be good just by living and not following rules from a book thousands of years old.
2- If you are a good person because you fear you'll be punished after you die, you are not a good person. If any of the types of heavens was real, then the only people that would go there are atheists, since they didn't need the fear of eternal punishment to be good people. They just were good people.
And, by the way, you're just insulting your own religion when you treat it as a tool rather than "The Lifestyle That Will Save Your Life". If religion is as good as you say it is, then it will spread by itself naturally, and not by invading other faiths just to make your own "stronger".
My favorite to toss around at church as a kid was that if god has a predetermined plan for everything youve spent most of your life actively fighting gods plan with prayers
God doesn't have a plan??? The closest thing he has to a "plan" is the book of life
A point I always raise when it comes to free will is that, if God is omniscient, then there can be no free will because you can't know everything, unless everything is predetermined. People don't seem to always understand this however, and they try to make up silly excuses to prove that God both knows everything and free will truly exists.
@@Izelor : Oh. They understand it, only it conflicts with their beliefs and they cannot reconcile their cognitive dissonance. So they go through the mental gymnastics of trying to disprove what they know is true.
@@Izelor This is exactly my thought as well! Nobody mentions that at all. I would be told that God was omnipotent and then I later on heard that God created evil and imperfection to create free will. This raised so many questions for me. If God is omnipotent, then that means by default, there is no free will because a certain path is destined to happen. So for example, someone is fated to fall into sin, they are fated to burn and suffer in hell for all eternity and that felt extremely wrong to me. Imagine being born to be bad and not having a choice in the matter
@@Izelor from what i understand, the relation between God's all-knowing nature and our free will works like a Choose Your Own Adventure games or those Telltale interactive story games. God has determined several choices for us to choose, with each of these choices having their own consequences, but it is still upto us to take which one of those available paths. But our choices cannot go outside of what God has prepared. Just like we can never choose a dialog outside of what choices have been scripted on those CYOA games. Thus, we always have free will, and God always know what we will do. This is just my own understanding tho, im not an expert or anything so I could be wrong.
"Satan knew who God was, and he still went against him." For Christians, this is supposed to illustrate Satan's foolishness, but my takeaway was always that Satan has the biggest balls in the universe
Dillon Keller
That makes sense if one is a rebel as I once was.
@@JohnBrown-of4pw according to those who wanted to stay in power, Jesus too was also a rebel, disturbing the natural order of control the rabbi elders and the romans had
ELEAZAR
No sir, that is a revolutionary lie
Jesus did not come to destroy the law but to fufill It.
The Pharisees tried to make the OT a crooked man made religion of stipulations (Talmud), and Jesus Christ let everyone know that the law cannot be kept. The purpose of the law was to show a need for a savior.
@@JohnBrown-of4pw I'm not undermining Jesus, if something or someone that is seen as a miracle, special, or good, is under the same wavelength of meaning that compared to everyone else is less meaningful, special or good, so that special event or person can stand out as their savior, which if you live a life of responsibility, you are your own savior, no one else.
Jesus may have been extraordinary as a person, but as Society how we use the word "good", is someone who doesn't disturb the natural order around "normal" people.
Whether it's a lie or not, he got everyone's attention, and still is the most popular person in "recorded history"
ELEAZAR
Jesus claimed divinity,
my question was: Why would a so-described fair and loving God first create me when I didn’t ask to be created, and then condemn me to eternal suffering and damnation for losing a game I didn’t ask to play?
late edit: my statement was not “I wish I wasn’t created”, it was “I didn’t ask to be created”. There’s a stark difference.
Good question. I agree with you. However, the belief that the wicked will burn in Hell for eternity crept into Christianity from Egyptian, Pagan, Roman, Celtic and Greek mythologies. In other words, this idea is not in the Bible. Now, of course, people can pull things out of context to prove anything, but the biblical authors had no idea of this eternal suffering and damnation nonsense.
I'm having a discussion with a Muslim about this at the moment. Supposedly in that faith, Allah asked all spirits before they were born if they want to be human (the only being that has free will and can choose Allah or not and therefore the only ones that can be rewarded with Heaven or punished with Hell) or an animal, plant, mountain etc (Which are without free will and are always Muslims!) But when those who go on to be humans made that choice Allah made them forget in order to make the test 'fair'.
So effectively you did make the choice, but you forgot. Clever dodge!
@@LateNightKaiju oh wow, I never heard that one before! 😁
@@LateNightKaiju wait, how would that make the test "fair" in any way whatsoever?
Setiawan Raestloz don’t ask him, ask the Muslim
Teenager here, was debating with my highly religious dad the other day about my personal beliefs and how he tries to convert me to christianity and i told him how i listened to him and never ever took anything as it is and always highly researched every aspect of everything i choose to believe. What he said after that was along the lines of “i wish you weren’t so smart for your age. Sometimes being dumb and not questioning and going with the crowd is better”.
Bruh
my parents rn^'
Yeah, my own father once said "its better to be small" - you realize at some point, they are just doing two things.
A - projecting onto you
B - truly parenting the best they know how. Which is sad, but as you get older, you learn forgiveness and learn not to hold it against them and realize they themselves are lost kids.
Ugh. This reminds me of my father’s words to me: “You’re so smart, you’re stupid.” What this logic ultimately led him to tell me was that because I was smarter or more educated than someone else - he specifically had in mind family members, like himself, without college educations - the onus was entirely on me to justify my positions with logic and evidence, and no such onus was on the other person. I had to prove things; no one else did. This was so wildly unfair that I saw no point in arguing anything with him anymore, which was likely his goal.
Seems like he cares about you and wants what’s best for you. He prolly just thinks the only thing that’s best for you is belief.
I was raised christian. Somewhere in my pre-teens I began to question all the other religions. Why were there so many different religions and gods? Then I begun to ask what separates christianity from other religions............ that answer lead me to atheism. I think I understand why religion is important, but I also understand that a lot of it is purely a cultural hand-me-down.
@christianity_reborn and that's the answer that every religion could make. Doesn't prove anything
@christianity_reborn "What separates Islam from other religions is the fact that Islam is the Truth and other religions are not"
ok, now what?
@christianity_rebornevery religion uses that excuse lol
From what I saw in the Christian faith is that they like to put down the other religions. The Protestants even believe that Catholics and Jehovah's Witnesses are destined to Hell!
"If Hell is real then every person there is a shining example of how God failed."
This single quote started my path down to atheism.
How so? If God wanted to be in control, he would decide everything for you. No one likes a dictator.
@@phoenixstormjr.1018 tell that to the baby who was rped to death for no reason other then people thought it would cure their HIV.
Or the billions of animals who go through excrutiating pain for literally no reason other then them being able to.
Then that means because prisons and legal system exists, the society is a failure.
@@uselesshero.official pretty sure you can't compare an obviously flawed judge system of an alreasy flawed society to an allknowing all powerfull god.....
@@Biolo-G_KJ but the atheists are doing it, right? In fact most of them have a lot of faith in judicial system and God or the concept of God is nothing for them.
Imagine in thousands of years and humans will be learning about Christian mythology in the way we now learn about Greek/norse/etc mythology
Sorry man, but that goes beyond our species. We are an unstable being that needs to pretend to be fixed, and being know-it-all and excempt from the consequences of our true actions forms part of that spray paint.
Think of it. nothing matters. You'll be fine in the end. All you have to do is live knowing that... It's an easier way to live... Noone can harm you... You're safe, because you're just special and that's it, don't ask anymore. Dare ask and you're in trouble, exposed to the fact we aren't as sure as we say.
Think of a father to it all. He knows his own creation, so he knows a shady book triggering a cult and opposing all we see in our daily lifes would be hard to believe. If he is rabid at us for not taking it and using the power he's given us instead then apart from abandoning, he's abusive.
Sadly, Christians were around then so it’s not looking likely
BRAV0!
@@CalebChildofHumanityCalder what do you mean?
@@CalebChildofHumanityCalder Christians were not around when Greece ruled the world. Think more carefully
i remember in 9th grade we were learning about the big bang theory and everyone was asking how and why questions to the teacher and she just goes "don't question it too much because it leads to atheism"
The superficial ones do not think enough to understand *the simple fact that from no intelligence involved, no intelligence comes,* the entire process until nowadays proving the existence of God because *the results of a process prove the intelligence involved into that process.* They ignore the intelligence put from the beginning. For example, the intelligence mentioned includes the exact value of the speed of light matching the manifestation of what we call "gravity", working together since the primordial conditions to form in the end this reality, which hosts intelligent life that is able to feel / understand / admire / enjoy / respect / love the Creator, especially through His human form, Jesus Christ.
In spite of the fact that this reality has been created intentionally so that freedom to be 100% offered (the fallen angels ruled by Satan corrupting lots of things in this world to sustain the useless suffering, stupidity=evilness in general), God still has left the beauty of a pigeon (all beauties, goodness/wisdom in general), versus the ugliness of a crow (all ugliness, evilness/stupidity in general) for humans to choose.
Sometimes, not only when I look into math and every field of the true/proven science, but also when I admire the immense beauty of this planet, the sky, the sea, the forest on the green hills with so many flowers and butterflies... in spite of the evil things done by the fallen angels (carnivores, parasites, bad insects, bad bacteria, viruses...), I can feel the perfect Intelligence called God/Divinity, our Heavenly Father with His human form Jesus Christ, Divinity who will give us what we deserve, after leaving this "school" and "exam" for our immortal soul, for us.
I think u just had bad teachers. I went to a Christian school and they encouraged questions and the bible itself doesn’t ask for blind faith. Just because there are some bad apples on an apple tree doesn’t make the apple tree bad.
Did the teacher skip the part where the Big Bang Theory was proposed by a Catholic Priest?
Actually, only superficiality "leads to atheism".
Most unbelievers of the truth do not know enough science to realize its permanent limitations. For example, science will never be able to really know, at least, what a photon is (the magnification process being infinite). Regarding the Creator of this reality (the nature of God etc.), our power of comprehension will always be like how much the cups can think to understand the man who made them (comparison mentioned in the Bible), but *we have Jesus Christ, the human form of Divinity, to be able to see God and what He expects from us.*
A single photon is like a miniature Universe because the magnification process is infinite (it cannot be stopped). For example: 1/2 > 1/3 > 1/4 > ... 1/n > ... 1/infinite proves that we can go infinitely to smaller numbers greater than zero, which in physics means that we can go infinitely to smaller things, in other words *science will never be able to really know from what this reality is made.* No matter how small a particle is, the system of reference can be decreased to its level of size and see that it is made from smaller things, and so on (this is the infinite involved). In other words, *anything is made from something smaller and also it is included in something bigger.*
In addition, all the unbelievers of the proven truths, should not ignore the facts presented in (close to) the end of the video titled: *"Quantum Fields: The Real Building Blocks of the Universe - with David Tong",* which is available on TH-cam, to realize that I am right in all my affirmations.
One of my favorite questions is "If Jesus could walk on water, could he also swim on the ground?"
I can walk on water and it's not a question of faith. It's a question of temperature.
bro you did not just say that.
Yeah cos Jesus is God and God is God so yeah.
If it's mud technically yes
@@Floxxororunderrated comment 😂
For me, the question that really shook my faith was "how much wood would a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood?"
That is strong ✊
"A wood chuck would chuck as much wood as a wood chuck could chuck"
-The answer that turned me atheist.
OMG I'm literally shaking and crying right now!!!!
That one makes you think
But would the wood chuck chuck the wood if the chucked wood would be chucked at the wood chuck??
If god wants a relationship then why doesn’t he talk with us clearly.
Oh...you know how men can be, jk😄
Maybe he's very shy 🤔
maybe he a stalker.
like my ex said, "I shouldn't have to ASK, you're just supposed to KNOW what I want!!!" lol
@Lebeman so if your god revealed itself to everyone, who would be called a "schizo"? also, if your god doesn't reveal itself to me, why is it my responsibility to "ask for a relationship". why should i love your god when it doesn't even make an effort to let me know it exists? your entire point does not make sense.
imagine a man fathering a child, then taking off. no discernible contact at all with the child. maybe an anonymous birthday or Christmas card that may or may not have come from the father. no help with bullies, no help with homework, no help at all that can undeniably be from the father.
why is it the child's responsibility to seek out a relationship with this father?
The first one I had when I started questioning about God and religion was: If God really wants everyone to worship him and will deem anyone else to hell, why don't we just have a single universal religion? If he is omnipotent, it shouldn't be that hard to just spread the exact same religion to everyone in the whole world.
Allegedly there was once only one religion than mankind began worshipping false idols and creating new religions in his ignorance.
@@esimpson2751 What was the original religion?
@@TWildyM Paganism most likely unless they mean worshipping the elements or like the sun.
it says in my religion islam that god only sent one religion but somehow chose to divide it to three sections
well He does can do that. But he won't. Atleast not now. One of the most logical explanation ive ever heard is that if God forced the entire earth to worship Him by showing himself as a God to all people, not many of them will truly worship Him out of faith. Most people will worship Him because they HAVE to, not because they WANT to. And that kind of forced worship is not something that God wants from us. He wants people to worship him out of faith and love. That's why he created us with free will, so we can worship Him by choice. Every person on earth is free to make their own choice on this. That's why it's called faith, he wants us to choose to believe in him without seeing his presence directly when others won't. Feel free to debate me on this, it is an interesting topic to discuss
Following are some of the questions regarding Christianity that lead me to become a non believer.
1. Why do some people get the privilege of living for 70-80 years even after commiting all kinds of sins, but a new born dies a few days or even hours before they're born? We are told that suffering is a way for God to test our faith in him, but those new born babies die even before they could understand what suffering is. My own elder sister died when she was 3 years old and i get really frustrated when people say God called her to be with himself in heaven; a place none of us have seen.
2. What is the purpose of praying, exactly?
There is a 50-50 chance we'll get what we prayed for. When our prayers do not get answered, we just say that God did what was best for us. Then why would you even bother praying in the first place, when he is going to do what he wants at the end?
3. My dad taught me that everything I am, everything I do, think or say is advocated by God. They are God's words not mine. So this whole thing about me questioning my faith in God, must also be something that he wants me to do. No? Of course when i do things that are considered good by the church or the society, it would be considered God's Will or God's Plan. But if i do the opposite, it is my own doing, something I am fully responsible for, that God does not want me to do.
4. We all know about Jesus' painful journey up the Calvary mountain during his last days. Every Friday, during the lent season, we remember this journey that lead to his crucifixion and eventual death. During Good Friday, there is a dramatic representation of the same shown to the people. Every torturous detail of the soldier's cruelty is narrated throughout the enactment. I remember seeing this for the time when i was 4 years old and being absolutely horrified by it. I had continuous nightmares about nails going through Jesus' hands and legs as he was being nailed on the cross. Do people really think it's ethical to show kids that young something like that?
I get particularly weirded out by prayers about competitive events . . . particularly ones between co-religionists. Like, you're praying you'll win, and they're praying they'll win, and why should God favour you over the other side? Why would it even be OK to pray for your fellow religious persons to lose?
I usually don't like doing this, associating a living religion with a work of fiction, cause it can be pretty offensive but there is a moment in the dune books that deal with prayer. The "antagonist" basicly says that prayer is a weapon used against God, its a threat saying do what I want or I won't believe in you. Prayers hold no meaning to the theoretical divine, it's used to make the person praying feel better and no one else
For the 2nd one, although I agree with the premise, Im being nitpicky and pointing out that possibility does not equal probability. You said that there’s a 50/50 chance of a prayer being answered, which isn’t true : those are two possible options, but they aren’t equally likely. If I prayed for a billion dollars to spawn in my bank account, it’s definetly not a 50/50 chance it would happen. So this actually supports your claim more I believe
"No Gods were harmed in the making of this video."
@resourcedragon......., are you sure??
Skeptic is the only god I see here
As if you could.
Only two types of people in this world, Atheists and the insane.
@@rickydarcilover5581 Ad Hominem fallacies like that don't fill me with confidence in your ability to reason.
The question that broke it for me was the whole "if you repent and accept god into your heart all sins are forgiven". I then asked the priest would Adolf Hitler or Pol Pot be forgiven if they repented. Of course, he said God forgives all who accept him in their heart.
So god forgives the very worst human being if they worship him? But if you are good, but you don't worship him you are punished with eternal pain? It seemed like un-controlled psychopathic narcissism to me.
Also theres another problem:
If god forgives me, but then I decide not to believe in him, do I go to heaven?
But do you believe that Hitler would repent of his sins? Do you really believe that? I don’t think a man such as hitler would repent of his sins and turn to God.
Marvin Hernandez hitler wasnt like that because he wanted to, but his power made him monster.
Marvin Hernandez These statements are false premises. Hitler wouldn't have repented of his sins because he didn't believe he was committing any. He genuinely thought he was doing god's work. The belt buckles worn by his Nazi troopers read "Gott mit uns", translated as "God with us". Why would he repent of performing acts which he believed was god's will?
Marvin Hernandez I know this question isnt meant for me butt -how was he supposed to know hes not doing good thing and hes doing evil?
"You should worship the cruelest god possible" is actually a great argument for the Chaos Gods from Warhammer 40k lol
I was raised Mormon. I was also born with a chronic pain condition. I hurt everywhere all the time, because my immune system thinks my own nerves are a low-level threat and creates constant inflammation around them. Naturally, no matter how many times a group of men huddled around me and put oil and their hands on my head to ask God to reduce my then-undiagnosed suffering, He never did. Can you imagine telling a child who is always in pain and doesn’t know why that someone did this to them on purpose, who wants them to go through this every day for their entire life, and that person is a being of perfect love? If anyone else did that to their child, they’d be arrested, and no-one would be arguing for their tautological goodness.
Or, maybe, this happened to me out of simple chance, because we’re all glitchy meat machines and this is my glitch. That’s certainly a thought better for my mental health than constantly being told that God will cure me eventually, but I need to die first.
That’s a great final sentence!
If he's so forgiving, why didnt he forgive Adam and Eve over that simple little apple and cursed us all over it.
An apple he himself put there and didn't even bother to fence in. If he hadn't wanted them to eat it, he could easily have just kept it outside their reach. Or just not made it to begin with. It seems to not have had any other purpose than setting those two up.
He literally put poison in a garden, and told two literal children: "Don't eat it!" , and expected two children to obey that.
Because it's a story. A story without conflicts is uninteresting.
It was a test to see if they will obey him, and they could but satan brainwashed them
And he is not always forgiving, he judges you very fair, my religion teacher said "he's the fairest of all judges"
the Abrahamic god literally created an arch-nemesis for himself
Since no one did, he had to go and make one himself. Imagine what a bore it would be to never be challenged, do everything easily and whenever you want it.
And then punishing people for eternity for working with his self-made opponent??
I guess you can't be a hero without a villan. Maybe he created him to be seen as "the good guy" idk.
@@richardvilla2303 it's a good way to weed out the REAL enemies: just send your ally over to fake opposition against you, when he unites your enemies you strike all at once
Though he couldn't be omnipotent or omniscient or even omnibenevolent to plan this. Would be a rather sneaky, tricky, not so powerful fella
@@tytesz2371 probably, 'cause people don't appreciate how "good" you are if they don't suffer without you
The problem with pascal's wager is that there is no limit to the number of potential gods. Thus, the odds of choosing the rignt one approaches zero as the number of gods increases.
They are all just various human conceptions of ultimate reality
Imagine it's just some backwater church in Kentucky with like 50 members 😂
So mathematically, the best bet is to just believe in *all* of them
@@Rainfire-forgets-to-animateunfortunately most of them(the major world religions at least) are monotheistic, so believing in them wouldn't do you any good cause you believe in all those others lol. alternatively you could believe in all the polytheistic religions.
ok we doing calculus now😂
As a former Christian I can absolutely relate to you about pushing doubts and questions out of my mind out of fear that it'd disprove my faith but eventually in 2022 I began questioning with an open mind and became an atheist.
I’m not atheist but I don’t follow any faith. I acknowledge the existence but I don’t worship or pray.
@@macewindu1532 That's EXACTLY what I did during my last few years of being a Christian theist.
What questions do you have?
Maybe I can answer them. I’ll try at least
But always remember. The sun and moon were created just as me and you were.
So off rip there’s a creator NO DOUBT.
We live on a floating Ball
With gravity somehow existing (crazy)
These things DONT happen by accident.
I’d advise you to look a little deeper and seek God on a few more things before completely giving up.
There’s plenty of evidence for a creator and when you read the Bible you see that this creator greatly matches Jesus and the father God. God loves you and is waiting for you to come back to him ❤
I’ve been questioning with an open mind my entire life and only found more evidence for God as I’ve searched more deeply. What exactly disapproved your faith I guarantee you I can find a counter to every argument you pose
@@esimpson2751 answer the videos in the question please for me
I am a Buddhist,
Buddha didn't claim to be God
Budhha didn't claim to be the son of God
Buddha didn't claim to be the messenger of God
He claimed to be a teacher who wishes to teach good moral values and to treat all life as equal to our own, he didn't ask for worship. We worship him as a way to thank him for his teachings, Buddha said that as long as you're a good person, you do not need to fear the afterlife. May all of you have a good week ahead!
Plenty of Buddhism sects fall to the problem Abrahamics face as well. One particular vihara I went to proclaimed that Guan Yin chanted *her own name* for help, so that she too can get a seat before the next Buddha teaches again. That's just nuts
@@setiawanraestloz3504 the Buddhism I follow is the simple one, cause Buddhism can integrate with different cultures, the one you're talking about is probably the Taoist/Buddhist version. For me, I just follow the simple morals...no gods, no demons, or anything. Cause over time or in different places all religion tends to change, look at Christianity having so many branches. But yea I agree with your point, religion is pretty complicated and even nuts
Does Buddha thinks eating people is okay? Or where does he gets the morals from? Because the morals for a good man from the lost tribes are still eating humans is fine... Let me tell u something...chinese believed in a single God way before Buddha or other Gods... Search for God in ancient china...
@Norbert Kas you mean Buddhism?
@@m.saberhagen502 Chinese gods and Buddhism are different
After a lot of mental gymnastics and trying to rationalize God's behavior, I asked myself the question that made me an atheist:
Why am I having to explain God's actions?
Or in other words: "Why is it our job to make excuses for his behavior?"
For some the answer is apologetic, but those are the people just smart enough to read and dumb enough to believe.
@@og4372 Being dumb or intelligemt has nothing to do with what you believe. Everyone believes something, otherwise we wouldn't be human
@@savagecabbage6119 True enough, however it is intellectually lazy to not read up on something one bases life on. What I am saying is anyone who reads the bible and believe it is a historical account or has much by the way of facts, is dumb. You are right though, it was too much a generalization. It would also be correct to assume there are many very bright individuals who are indoctrinated and believe and are also intellectually lazy on this subject. Many may read select passages following along with services but never put much thought into it aside from what their pastor tells them it means. I like The Witcher, but know the magic really doesn't exist. It is entertaining though. Biblical magic is the same, not real, and unverifiable, thus never happened. You can substitute super natural with magic.
That reminds me of a moment I had where this connection dawned on me that there were unsettling similarities between the effects of a relationship with god, and an abusive relationship.
When you start out, its wonderful and you feel like you're on top of the world, then you'll have questions and find yourself stretching to explain his behavior. When you ask questions, you may find alot of confusing answers that twist the issue into something good, or something that is your(or humanity's) fault. Then if you spend time away from them, you find yourself asking more questions, and kinda feeling that brain fog of desperately devoted trust start to lift, and you dont see them the same way anymore. You might waver and come back to them periodically, but it's the same cycle.
i think you guys Have God and Mans behavior mixed up 😂🤷🏾♂️
Seeing people struggle with questions about God's existence boggled my mind as I was growing up. I was always a skeptic. I always had questions. And when none of my questions were ever answered I naturally just became an atheist. My skepticism still continued and i became more of an agnostic as an adult but it really boggled me as to how these very basic questions that led me to reject religion are not being generally asked by people. How are we so lacking in critical thinking?
It's just childhood indoctrination. You can't blame them.
Because a lot of Christians (i only know christianity, I'm not gonna bring other religions into this) actively punish or otherwise try to dissuade children from asking questions. Curiosity is something you need to have in order to be a critical thinker, but if you don't have that why would you care to learn more about things or fact check or check differing views?
They are being asked, and people who wish to serve the Lord will answer differently than you did because they have a different set of presuppositions. A lack of critical thought is not the issue. Lack of faith is.
They are being asked my millions of people, however most people don’t ponder the particular qualms you have with Christianity because their not struggling on that point of contention. CS Lewis, GK Chesterton, Jordan Peterson all argue critically for the sake of Christianity.
@@somethinginthepines protestants!!!!!!!! christians are catholics only any other "christian" denomination is lying to you theyre just called protestants. catholics literally have libraries filled with questions and answers we arent a cult. (cult meaning "i say this you follow no questions asked and if i change you dont get to doubt it or youre kicked out")
I was sent to Sunday school as a child in the 70's and I was constantly questioning my teachers. Why, how, where is the proof lol. They just kicked me out instead of answering the important questions. I realized religion was a scam on my own by the time I was 10!
Yeah pretty much. The Bible is preety much a fictional story full of symbolism and metaphors that was used to control the not bright and uneducated population of the middle ages
10!? Wow, you were a woke child
I've heard this approach to faith before. I went to Sunday school as a young boy but never thought that the stories were anything more than fables.
I wonder if some humans are just wired for skepticism naturally?
@@Whiskey.T.Foxtrot It has to be, I probably started questioning it when I was 8 and had nobody trying to sway me.
@@theflitcher3763 woke? Seriously get a grip. Questioning the existence of something that there is no evidence for does not make you woke
1: create world
2: make people
3: give them free will
4: some turn out gay
5: let them be tortured in hell, despite the fact its litarally your own fault
6: profit
How the hell would that make profit?
I read this in the Gru's evil plan format
@@cf3744 Legit.
@Fighter For Christ for a moment there I thought you were atheist with those rethorical questions. You do realize that your argument could go both ways right?
@Fighter For Christ
Quoting a bunch of people that believe in the same fictional character as you isn't proof of your fictional character's existence.
Mine was: “if god created all of us in his image, and made me gay, then how come he banishes me to hell for a sexual orientation I can’t control? And if my choice is obey or be thrown in hell, isn’t that textbook manipulation?” Doesn’t sound like free will to me.
Elizabeth R the soul isn’t given more than that which it can handle. If y have free will u can control it
@@bibbs4150 Yeah... no. Thats not how that works.
Elizabeth R why not sometimes I want to punch people i could but I don’t. I just want to know ur perspective. Is is like something that u have to do and can’t control?
@@bibbs4150 violence and sexual orientation dont coorelate.
Elizabeth R ok so how does it work
It's even simpler for me. I cannot love AND fear someone.
technically, you can, but that is indeed a clear sign of an abusive relationship, and nobody needs that in their life, period
@@kirtil5177I don’t think abuse and actual love can coexist in a relationship. Abuse and attachment, however, can. Either way, you’re right, it’s an abusive relationship and nobody wants that.
I think there is a misunderstanding of what it means to fear God here
@@obikanbenobi6273 there is absolutely not.
@@obikanbenobi6273you have a big chungus profile picture and are preaching the word of god 😭
As someone raised by atheists, this never made sense to me. Especially when people assume atheists are evil, lack morality etc. Those people in my opinion are entirely wrong (and kind of scary honestly) Since a good deed out of fear of hell is inherently selfish in nature, is it not? An actually good person endeavors to do right by others and the world out of compassion, empathy and sense of justice. Yet people claim that their 'good' god punishes us for not believing, or believing in wrong ways but rewards those who only do good cause they believe in and fear him. At that point it's more about worship than being a morally good person. And if that's the case why did this supposed god give us sense of compassion at all? To me this kind of a god seems very hypocritical, cruel and prideful. If there was a good god, he would not need people to worship him, rather just reward those who are actually good.
Christianity is entirely about worshipping Jesus, which doesn't necessarily mean you even need to be good to go to Heaven. This is apparently because all of us are pure evil because of something two other humans did a long time ago. (please correct me if I'm wrong at all)
The concept of prayer started my questioning. I was always told to pray about it. You see people with cancer pray to be cured and they beat it and proclaim it was their faith and the power of prayer, while 10 more do the same, with the same devotion, and still die.
Prayer works aprox. 50% of the time..... just like random chance.
As an atheist who very very recently came out of a cancer while being very young (I just turned 26), I was told to pray by many people who cared about me, mostly old people like my grandmother and my neighbours. While my closest family isn't christian and doesn't pray, they do belive in god (in the classic way of "not practicing nor believing enough to be worth the time so decide if god really exists or not"), so my mom used to tell me we could only hope everything will be alright and for anything that "lives up there" to have mercy on me. I apreccieated all these gestures for what they really where: an honest preocupation for my wellbeing. I still told my mom what I thought because we are very close and honest. I told her that if I was to live and be alright it'd be thanks to the efforts of the many many proffesionals (surgeons, doctors, nurses, and other proffesions I don't know how to spell in english lol) who worked tirelessly for my recovery. She knows me and expected that so she laugh and recognized their efforts too (she's more like an "intuitive beliver" I'd say).
Well in the end everything went on as best as it could, Im now much better, cancer free with no need for prayers. Deam, Im so skeptical I even did the things the nurses had superstitions about. They said that people who cut their nails while intern at the hospital died, I have to admit I did it mostly for the sake of making the point (to my mom too, who went visit me everyday and didn't want to take any chances, including cutting nails) that cutting your nails had nothing to do with the recovery of a patient.
Nobody said that praying works every time. For some, it is their time, and for some it is not. This one hits close to home for me, because I have two friends who are very devout Catholic Christians, and both got cancer within a few years of each other. One of them passed away, while the other did not, but the family of the one who passed away became much stronger in their faith because of their mom's firm belief in Christ and where she was going when she died.
@@LordJimmyXIV At the end is always the necessity of certainty and control, she's more calm thinking he's in heaven instead of not knowing, and people are happier thinking they got some kind of agency in a situation by praying, but at the end of the day is just deception and is more helthier to deal with the troubles at hand than to externalize the issue to any "superior being", so you can work on what you can actually do and be thankful to the people actually doing the job (as it is in medical cases, for example, they work and god gets all the credit...)
@@LordJimmyXIV If God has a plan for everyone, you honestly think that he's gonna change it one way or another, regardless of prayer?
I remember when one of my classmates asked our religion teacher "what if Jesus was just really smart took advantage of how dumb people were?" They got suspended for two weeks and wasn't allowed on the computers for 3 months
They realized they were realizing. And silenced them.
That just goes to show that the teacher was a bad teacher
That sound like it has sense.
Are u living in Iran?
@@evilfridolin no. It’s a very Christian school
I remember in Church once the priest said, “Do not believe other gods before me, for I am a jealous God.” And all I could think was, Ayo that’s envy my dude and why “a jealous God” does that imply there are other gods???
Many people seem to not know that the fallen angels ruled by Satan have corrupted lots of things in this world to sustain the useless suffering, stupidity=evilness in general. That is why, if there are parts from the Bible, which contradict God's perfection, they are Satan's alterations/lies. *_"Satan, the one who deceives the whole world"_* Rev. 12, 9 (should be seen, also, the "Parable of the weeds" and 2 Corinthians 4, 4).
@@filmeseverin But the words came from the bible, so would that make the bible corrupted? Also, I don't think I've ever seen anyone refer to Satan/Lucifer as a "god," only their names/title
@@filmeseverinand god let satan have this power why? he can simply erase satan 😑
God has allowed the fallen angels and their works for those who cannot (or do not want to) understand the value of "light" / goodness..., without experiencing the "darkness" / evilness = stupidity.
Therefore, we live into an altered and ruled world by the fallen angels, *allowed as an exam for our immortal soul (for us) to prove to the Creator how good we really are, how much we love perfection and how much we detest evilness=stupidity,* to prove that we are not following the demons anymore, through our deeds in this short earthly life, which will be judged 100% correctly for each of us.
*_"For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, that each one may receive his due for the things done in the body, whether good or bad."_* 2 Corinthians 5, 10
Growing up, I only asked this question once to my parents, and got an answer that I don't remember exactly, but I do remember it was incredibly unsatisfying. If God is all knowing, then why do christians have to go to church to seemingly demonstrate their love for God, when they could just do it at home? Wouldn't God know they loved him even though they weren't in some other building 30 minutes away surrounded by people that made me uncomfortable? And after that, the whole illusion was busted for me. My parents kept making me go to church, but I was checked out mentally, and none of it made any sense. To this day I'm sure they still don't understand why I stopped going and politely recuse myself from any religious events
Haha! I used to ask my mom the same question when I was 5-6
The Bible never says you must go to church, it’s not required. The whole point of church is to dwell in the truth and strengthen your faith.
we dont have to go to church. church is your relationship with others in the common interest of jesus the holy ghost and the father. whoever told you that you have to go to church is wrong. our relationship with jesus is all that matters as long as you cofess your sins and belive the word.
I was a Hindu, I live in India, and all my family proclaim that our gods actually listen to their devotees and help them.
India has over 270 million poor and homeless people
Something didn't add up...
Hindu is false. This video creator was taught incorrectly and fallen in love with himself and his stupid questions. Eternal conscious torment is a lie and not biblical, yet it continues to remain the primary talking point for atheists who claim to know the scriptures front and back. Here’s the truth:
Read--
John 3:16
For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.
John 3:18
Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God's one and only Son.
Romans 10:9
That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
Do you believe it?
If yes, then now you have everlasting life. It’s that simple. If you do not believe the most basic verse in the Bible, none of the rest will make any sense. This is where the term “lost” comes from. People like this guy study and read the Bible for years, decades even and remain lost because they never believed, and now he’s idolizing Carl Sagan. Lol
Lmao your parents doesn't know anything and neither did mine kyunki kisi ne kuch padha hi nahi aur na hi jaane ki koshish kari. Geeta padhi hai ya sirf yuhi uthke ajate ho? It is written to not ask anything from god and when you dwell into logic and sense it is absolutely correct. Your devotion is corrupted because you worshipped god for your selfish material motives when it was never about it. These are injected impurities in our culture during the course of time. Geeta also says that this Earth is our Karm Bhumi.
Agar esa hai, them why ask God about something when this life is your responsibility? The whole point of god is polluted in modern society. It was always polluted in Abrahamic religions though.
@@6pac. bro I am atheist I don’t believe this either
@@6pac. Also please don’t insult my parents
@@knvids2812 Bro I'm not insulting your parents. I said the same thing about mine in the same line.
I'm just saying the truth. Our parents knowledge ia limited to TV serials about God. TV serials are wrong. Also, our parents generation thinks that devotion towards God is lighting up diya everyday infront of them during Pooja and at the end ask them for this and that everytime a Pooja is done. Our parents lack real knowledge. Our generation might have lower count of devotee but many of us knows more about our gods and it's concept because as a generation we do try to know about Geeta and Vedas and others things. That's all I'm saying. Also, internet itself tells a lot of things from our granths even though 90% of them are wrong but 10% are doing really great.
I remember when I first started questioning the Bible, and it was in church about God testing Job. Short version, Satan states Job only loves God because his life is good. If his life was tough, he wouldn't love God. God allows Satan to test Job with bad things. Now, the question that came to mind when hearing this as a child, "Why?" Why does God allow this? If God was all knowing, he knows what will happen. Satan knows God knows everything. What is the point of this experiment? If God loves us, why torture someone to prove something that is already known? Let's change characters. My friend Bob from accounting says my dog only loves me because I treat it well. If I were to be cruel to the dog, it would stop loving me. So I then go and kick the dog to prove it loves me. That isn't love, that is abuse. If I loved the dog, I would have told Bob from accounting to go to hell, I'm not going to hurt something I love just to show off it loves me. If I did, I didn't really love the dog. When I was married, I didn't hit or cheat on my wife to show the world she loves me. Who in the world would say a man who abuses his wife and dog loves them? So why is God bowing to Satan's demands? What does God have to prove to Satan? What audience is God proving this to?
this is so true, you worded this very well
For the sake of this thought experiment I know something you will do tommorow what would be your response if you were arrested for it today?
@@pfcspencer11b Going to college for Criminal Justice and getting a Bachelor's Degree, my response would be, that isn't how the US Constitution works and it goes against how the US Criminal Justice system was designed. Our Criminal Justice system was designed around the concept of 'We would rather let 100 guilty men walk free than imprison 1 innocent person.' The Constitution and the Criminal Justice system is built around probably cause and reasonable suspicion. You can't just search, arrest, detain, incarcerate, seize, and so forth and so on with out just cause, probable cause, and/or reasonable suspicion.
@@natsune09 so then why do you believe God to be any different?
@@pfcspencer11b because God supposedly know everything about every person’s future, but people certainly don’t
I was raised JW. At 13 my best friend died of sickle cell. The doctors tried so hard to save his life, they took his parents to court to compel the necessary transfusion. He had to testify why he would rather die doing what he believed was right in god's eyes.
His conviction, bravery, and congeniality were a credit to humanity. The dangerously myopic dogma responsible for his early departure isn't. The woeful irony is even encapsulated in their own tome--"forgive them Lord, they know not what they do."
Ignorance is only bliss to the ignorant.
that's why i stopped helping the ignorant, they can't be helped
@@mmoarchives2542
That’s not true. We are all here because we used to believe horrible things, and now we no longer do.
To say that the ignorant cannot be helped is to say that you could not be helped and that you did not deserve the chance you got. It is also to say that none of us deserved our chances, our escapes, either.
We are all living proof that the ignorant can be helped.
If your empathy has burnt out and you can no longer feel for the ignorant, or see them as people, then you need to step away from this topic until you regain that skill.
I’ve been there, and had to step away myself to regain my own empathy. People like Ken Ham and Frank Turek frequently make me need to step away yrom this topic, and remind myself of the skills and tecniques of empathy and love, because they infuriate me so much.
There’s no shame in becoming too emotionally exhausted to keep feeling love. We just need to step back and refill our depleted reserves in order to get that skill back.
@@ExhaustedScarf I don't know about you but I helped myself. I reached the commonsense conclusion on my own as a literal child. They can do the same but actively choose not to.
@@justinjakeashton
If you were indeed a literal child when you “escaped” then you were simply never indoctrinated.
You also didn’t actually do that exclusively by yourself. You were given access to that information somehow.
You got lucky.
Not everyone is so lucky, and everyone deserves grace, patience, and help to escape dogma.
Defending the idea that they don’t is antithetical to not only Drew’s entire vie on his channel, but also to being a compassionate and empathetic person.
Empathy cannot be selective. If you are capable of selective empathy, see your psychiatrist, because those portions of your brain aren’t functioning at capacity. I had to do that very thing, and have been much happier for it.
You know.....that "why doesn't god create people in heaven" thing was actually an idea I came up with when I was about 7 or 8,if an 8 year old child can come up with a question that can destroy the foundation of a religion/belief maybeeee that religion/belief isn't true
"The Lord works in mysterious ways... " if i had a nickel for every time i've heard that as a response...
If the church had a nickle for every time they gave that response, they wouldn't need to ask for money
If that Nickel was then divided amongst the would every time that was said we'd all be rich beyond belief.
@@harper6032 Wouldn't need to, but would likely do it anyway.
Willow4526 we wouldn't be rich due to inflation
IKR
It's crazy that when I asked questions as a Christian a pastor told me that the ways of god are foolish and if you think too much you won't make heaven. That was a sign.
There are a lot of stupid pastors out there. But the good ones will always welcome questions and doubts
Nooo, maybe that one pastor you spoke to was a false teacher simple. You gonna let one person determine your eternal life🤔 what a special pastor seek God yourself
That was a sign your pastor is a really bad pastor
@@idrawfurries6136 He wasn't a bad pastor for being a bad person; he was bad at his one job.
@@KY.M19 or maybe they decided that that is not for them. If they dont believe in heaven or hell they are allowed to do so and since they said "that was a sign" i assume that there were many more tuibgs which have led them to their current stand :)
My father and I went to the grocery store a few days ago, we saw a homeless man searching for food in literal trash bins, he then says to me, "thank god that we are so blessed." as if the life of the person we just saw didn't matter because he was somehow 'unworthy'
It’s kind of like Christians claiming miracles they’ve experienced, or praise God or Jesus for helping them in their time of need. All while atrocities all across the globe happen to people every second of every day. Did God just turn a blind eye to these people, like you said are they unworthy somehow? Are blessing esoteric? Well, what about when believers faced those same atrocities? Sounds like god is rolling the dice on who gets blessed, that either strips his morality and supposed love or he’s just not all powerful.
@@kingfreak8548we commit atrocities, we deserve atrocities
@Lord of the Sabbath Appreciator A convenient excuse, what does god know of suffering, all he does is sit atop his ivory tower while the world he made goes to hell.
@Lord of the Sabbath Appreciator By that logic, everyone goes to heaven since everyone suffers. If not, then where do those people that don't "suffer" go? Also why do people need to suffer here so they can go to heaven?
Huh?
So if a doctor saves your life but fails to save someone elses, and you say "thank you doctor for saving my life" does that somehow imply the other person's life was without value? No, it justs means you're happy about your current situation
I appreciate atheistic inquiries into theology and doctrine specifically because it challenges the faithful to deepen their theological understanding. It’s incredibly refreshing to encounter good questions like these and the reasoning here
In first communion I asked, "Why is there a devil?" The answer was always, "Well, if there's a god there has to be a devil." Makes no sense. Then I asked, "Who made god?" I was slapped by a nun.
They should have responded with man. Therefore we are god's god and he should be worshiping us.
God is that small incredibly dense thing that exploded in the big bang to create everything. The thing that everything came from and the thing that will eventually reform and explode once again. God is everything and everything is God. Seams simple to me.
@@chrisb.7787 thats non-Abrahamic pseudoscience. why should we agree ?
If god exist and most power why would he dont delete lucifer and all of us?
Correct Answer:
The devil exists to serve God and keep him entertained.
Man made God
in his own image.
No slapping required.
My first question was “If God’s existence is so obvious, why do we have to tell people about him?” The preacher of that sermon literally had two points of “God is evident in nature” and “People aren’t gonna believe if no one tells them about God”
The more I read these comments, the more I feel like theists are mentally ill.. or retarded or something. Just not okay in the head.
Don't forget, if those heathens dont hear about the Abraham God or decide what they learned as a child wad the actual truth. That person gets to be tortured for infinity years. Apparently heaven will exist beyond the heat death of thr universe.
Personally I think we should model ourselves after our creator. It's only right for yiur children to worship you. You created them, so it's your right as creator to be worshipped!!
In other words people who are telling you about God are deceiving you and creating a false narrative to further their own agendas.
God is Everything, Everything is God. No need to pray or worship as You are already of God.
Look within not without.
"Ye are Gods" - Jesus of Nazareth.
Internally we find the source, externally is subservience to another.
@@Tripskull God doesn’t punish for lack of knowledge, we tell people about him so that they make the right choice when they die
@@gungungun9yago lolololololol hahahahahahaha two trillion galaxies in the observable universe and still you have the audacity to believe the universe revolves around you, us whatever. The sheer arrogance of such ideas. And to be so incredulous about the big bang. I hear so much: the universe cant appear out of nothing!!...yet you can believe thst an omnipresent, omnipotent, omniscient entity coalesced out of nothingness and created everything so that you can worship it for all eternity.
Shove your sky wizard down other people's throats. The sky mage that, by definition, it's existence cannot be proven....convenient...
2000 years ago such ignorance was understandable. Why did god create 2 trillion galaxies when no matter how advanced the human race becomes, we will only ever contact the Andromeda (5 billion years until collision) and the 30-40 dwarf galaxies in our local group? Why are they (2 trillion galaxies) the only thing in the universe traveling faster than the speed of light?
Why make all that shit when the universe revolves around you?! Is only here to be a proving ground to find those able to worship God for all eternity...
Basically more you start to ask questions about God the less sense it all makes
My well meaning mother tried to raise me southern baptist. My father, a recovered Catholic, was no help in this but didn't discourage her. (by recovered I mean he was a vauge deist who renounced the catholic faith). The wife of one of her favorite pastors tried passionately to bring me into the fold, but fell into many logical falacies where I couldn't or wouldn't follow. The strongest arguement she presented to me was alone the line of "Even if chrictians are wrong, aren't we making the world a better place and living a better life by trying to be this way?" This stumped me for quite some time until I realized that all the good religion generates can be had without it, while all the damage it generates is dependent upon it.
P.S. Simply put - omnipotence alone is logically impossible, but even if imagined to exist it is incompatible with free will.
"jesus died for our sins". Except he didn't actually stay dead. So what did he sacrifice? His weekend? jesus gave up his weekend for your sins.
And didn’t do a very god job since sins are still pretty much present
Being born is a sin so I'd say it's more than pretty much still a thing
This is disgusting what did he sacrifice everything none of us could or would you realize JESUS CHRIST lived a completely sinless life for 33 years no sex no cussing no wishing bad on anyone no having a bad thought completely SINLESS and when you read the new testament you quickly realize 80% + of little things we do on a daily basis is a sin and then there was the miracles and the feeding the teaching all while being mistreated and persecuted and then there is the torture and it was awful if you've never read or watched it you can't imagine all so we could live sinful lives and still have an opportunity to be the deciding factor in where we spend our eternity and all you have to do is believe and obey Jesus commandments what does it cost you to believe if I'm wrong then you win if I'm right then you still win if you make the right choices
@@jenyea9411 If sex is a sin and we're all not supposed to sin then our entire species would go extinct
@@iakonasisler4808 we are human every since man fell we have had a sinful nature and I sin all the time regularly actually but I repent and I try to be better and I believe in JESUS CHRIST with every fiber of my being god knew we where going to sin after the fall that is the very reason JESUS CHRIST was sent and crucified and rose to pay for what we could not I'm not going to sit here and act like I understand GODS THOUGHTS IF GOD COULD BE PROVEN WOULD YOU BELIEVE AND FOLLOW HIS LAWS
The one that really got me was Mr Atheist’s “what’s the difference between a god that works in mysterious ways and a universe that functions without one?” And really, just the entire concept of prayer being bullshit
There are a lot of messages in this feed that got replies from believers. Kudos for chucking out the one that really sticks
Nice one, I like to think that the universe was eternal. Instead of an eternal deity making the universe with magic, the energy and mass of the universe just always existed anyways...
No need for the middleman. If there was ever 'nothing' then there would always be nothing, so really there must have always been something...
Giardap Hslaw I think that’s an interesting perspective. I’m not an expert, but from what I’ve read, they say the Big Bang was an anomaly, and that black holes are very similar, but on a smaller scale. And they believe that if the universe ever ends, it will end in that same anomaly. So the way I figure, if we started one way, and will go out the same way, maybe it’s just a loop. The birth and death and rebirth of universes.
fighting fire Alright sir. Though I typically don’t engage in this kind of evangelism, I watched your video. And I’m unconvinced.
fighting fire For the millennia that human kind has existed on this earth, we have studied the world around us. We have evidence of the universe’s continued expansion over time. Over decades, millions have studied our universe with a skeptical eye. Scientists are constantly searching for evidence that could possibly disprove the Big Bang theory, yet as of now, none has arisen. Science is willing to change its mind, because the people behind it want only to know the truth. Nothing is too sacred, too traditional to be overridden. As a scientist, I put my trust in my peers and our efforts to understand our origins.
And for as much as the current state of the Bible might have vaguely correct, there are a host of factors that could uproot this. Firstly, the video failed to state which version it was working from, but I would presume both you and the people behind Living Water are referring to the King James Version. This has been translated through multiple languages and back again, and adapted over time. Christianity has struggled to keep up with the advancements in the scientific community in the past, and I wouldn’t be surprised if those very minute references to things we have proven were added after our discoveries. On that, they are also extremely vague, and the entirety of the Bible has been interpreted in literally millions of different ways. Each Christian works from the same text, yet almost each individual has a personalized concept of the same God. Discuss with people of your congregation. Who thinks the Old Testament is meant to be historical facts, and who thinks it’s a collection of stories to learn lessons from?
In short, I place my trust in the work of my fellow man in today’s world. The Bible is a book originating two thousand years ago, written by men, which has been translated between tens of languages and likely suffered from some alterations and additions along the way.
One of the questions I had is if God is so perfect and has the tri-omni characteristics why did he need to create angels to serve him and people to worship him?
I used to ask a lot as a kid, "what happens to people who never get a chance to learn about God?" The answer usually was, "They go to heaven anyway."
Took me a while to come up with a follow up question: "Then shouldn't we keep it a secret?"
That's what finally changed my mindset.
The realization that "broke" me was when I came to realize that I was really only Catholic because my parents happen to be Catholic. Likewise, they happened to be Catholic because their parents were. And they in turn were Catholic because theirs was too, etc. I am from an Asian country where around 80% of the population are Catholic, where the top schools and universities are Catholic, and its government leaders mostly Catholic. So of course, with little to no surprise to statistical probability, I too was raised Catholic.
If I happened to be born a little more down south my country where a good number of the people are of Islamic faith, then I'd most probably be a Muslim. If happened to be born across the sea to the east, I'd probably be into Hinduism. If I were a born much further east, then maybe I'd be Jewish, and so on and so forth.
The point is, I really only was born into my religion.It just so happened that I was born in my circumstances and therefore raised Catholic. But how on earth does that mere chance mean that my religion was the right one? Does that mean I got lucky and every person born into other religions just unfortunately so happened to be raised into a false one? I asked myself that if I was indeed born into a different religion, would I still end up finding God and worship him in the Catholic tradition that I was raised in? Of course the answer was nope lmaooo
as someone who was adopted the same thing happened, I could have been adopted by someone of any faith.
This plus an existential crisis is basically what I went through.
The reason why I don't believe in your (as in the person I'm talking to's) religion is the same as why you don't believe in Huitzilopochtli or Odin.
take a shot every time he says ''catholic''
As a former Hindu, I found myself wondering the same thing. Although my parents told me that all religions essentially worshipped the same "god", or universal spirit, I didn't really buy into it. It wouldn't make sense that the one "god" would allow so many wars and atrocities in his name to take place. My parents are good people, but they were born Hindu, and their parents were, and so on, as you said before. I can't blame them for that.
"why dont all rapists have heart attacks when they decide to act on the idea, but before they touch their victims?"
Or any other version of "why is a violent persons free will more important than their victims?"
Or also about people willfully skewing his message. If he wants a relationship, he should preserve the original words he said, and not let corruption and hate lead generations of his children astray
It’s bc god wants us to learn, and you don’t learn from comfort or never making mistakes
@@jeffreywendel7076 so thats why its okay for god to watch child rape but if you or i had the chance to stop them we would be fucking monsters. okay, i see.
so... what is the lesson god is trying to teach a child rape victim?
Stephen Baldwin, can you explain the first part of your reply, and as for the lesson he could be trying to teach, honestly I don’t know, it depends on the person it could be the way they learn to forgive or the way they learn that life isn’t as serious as everyone makes it seem, but more realistically it could be just to teach them pain. Most people can get to heaven without going through hell
@@jeffreywendel7076 Let me help: Your god is cruel watching a child being raped. Got that?
My ‘problematic’ questions as a kid were:
“If the devil takes and punishes all the bad people, doesn’t that make him a good guy?”
“If god doesnt sin, and hes constantly begging people to worship him, wouldnt he be too prideful?”
“Why does the bible hate women? Its not like eve shoved the apple down adams throat. He could have said no and moved on?”
There’s probably more but these are the ones i remember mainly because i got very unsatisfying answers 😂
“You don’t question god’s will/plan”, “the devil is whispering in ur ear”, “god and his reasons are beyond us” 🙄
1. The Devil doesn't "take and punish bad people", God sends them there. The Devil IS Evil, he isn't punishing it.
2. "Begging" is a charged term. The government doesn't "beg" you to follow the law, it just punishes you if you don't.
3. You're begging the question, it doesn't "hate women" it just acknowledges different roles.
"The Bible hates women"
Ah yes, that moment when you blame a book released at a time women were considered inferior because "they have less teeth" in Greece for not being 101% feminist...
I think that you forgot about the whole cult of Mary
@@friedrichbaeker Wow you are off on some things.
1) Neither Yawhee or Satan take/send people to Hell. People do it to themselves as well as determining their own punishment. The Devil isn't Evil he is egotistical and desires freedom for both Angles and Men.
3) It does hat women, they changed Jesus wife into a proustite and edited out the first human, Litlith, because she was female.
@@patrickborunda4749 all of that is just ramble. It's literally just a bunch of ramble.
1) the devil doesn’t take and punish all bad people. First the devil is not a partner of god (for some reason people always think that even tho the bible says otherwise) he was an angel that wanted that was jealous of god and wanted his control and power. He was sent to hell along with his followers. Also you can be good and go to hell, you just have to believe, follow, trust, and do what Jesus told us to do to go to heaven.
2) he isn’t begging people to praise him. He wants us to believe and follow him, as long as worship him. But he also wants to have a relationship with him. And the sin of being too prideful is when you believe that you’re better than everyone else, which nowhere in the bible does it say or even imply that god or Jesus thinks he is better than anyone. This is proven when Jesus had dinner and went into a tax collectors house, which tax collectors where seen as bad and greedy people. It is also proven when Jesus cleans his disciples feet, if he truely believed he was better than other people he wouldn’t of cleaned they feet.
3) the bible doesn’t hate woman. It’s obvious if you read the bible. Both Adam and Eve were punished for eating the fruit. It says it is a fruit not an apple. Now how does the bible hate woman if both Adam and Eve ate the apple and they both were punished.
Mine - "why is praying for anything necessary? If God's plan is already laid out then there is no point in asking God for anything. He doesn't change his mind."
One question I’ve always had in my head:
How do we know that God is really the good guy and Satan is evil?
God could just be tricking us into thinking that Satan is evil to have everyone worship him. God doesn’t want you to express your free will, and threatens you to do what he says. Meanwhile Satan is known to encourage expression of your free will for your own benefit, and never forces you to do anything.
same thats what i thought as well
Yeah whats up with this satan guy. If he is evil how come he punishes bad people?
What threat? Do what he says? Doing what he says is an option. You'll still get heaven if you don't do it. you just have to choose to follow him.
@@phoenixstormjr.1018 So you don’t see eternal suffering as a threat?
Of course, now you mention it, that seems like a just punishment for not being his obedient pet.
@@PythonPlusPlus yea it’s basically, sup kid. You are in a game where you will waste years of your life praying to me or you will suffer in hell. What you didn’t ask to play this game? Too bad.
Why does a god with infinite time and infinite voices need men to speak for hím
He also speaks to you when you pray. Somtimes I ask GOD questions via prayor, and the next day, I flip through the Bible at random and I just "Happen" to find a passage that answers my exact question.
@@tell-me-a-story- I'm glad God provided you the benevolence of having your own anecdotal clarity for his existence. However, you need to recognize that this doesn't happen for essentially anyone else. The odds are against you, and your claim is nonsensical to anyone that doesn't get the privilege of having god 'prove' his nature in this miracle method.
He doesn’t.
Where and when was it ever said that God needs men to speak for him? He doesn’t. He doesn’t need us. We need him.
@@MrHerky61 :D For what exactly we need God?
I am probably Agnostic, but I give myself permission to believe different things on different days, depending on where I am in terms of fear or expansiveness or need or joy. I enjoy your videos and your questions. I think Martin Buber or Native American thinking speak the most to me: If I see everything as alive, and everything in my life as a direct conversation with God, then a lot of these other questions fall away (for me). I don't need to love because God needs it or other people need it, but because I, myself, need to love in order to be a whole and complete Being. I think the question of why did God leave us Texts about his meaning is a good one. I fully applaud your discussion about social harm coming from different interpretations of text. Looked at another way, though, it is like Jesus speaking in parables rather than just clearly: He and God both need us to slow down and access other parts of ourselves. I need to see God in people and trees and animals and gifts and misunderstandings and fears and grief and growth. When I am in conversation with all of that, then I am not shut down and unconsciously harming myself and others. I am not, and do not need to be, RIGHT. But this is an expansive day for me. On a fearful day, I don't trust anyone or anything including myself, but I have learned that reaching out to one or two trusted friends (who I don't trust at the moment) are my "God" or deep foundation.
I sounds like you could, and I’m putting this gently, use some professional help for your “variety” of “days.” You could be on a spectrum of bipolarism; no criticism; I’m ADD and OCD. It might be good to smooth out the very highs and very lows. You sound like a good and thoughtful person. Take care.
@@oddfellowone Thanks. Perhaps my description sounds a bit more extreme than how I experience it. I think of it more about trust levels and poetic metaphors, which is how my brain works. I appreciate your respectful comment though.
"Why does an all-powerful God need us to worship him?"
"If God is everywhere, why does anyone need to be lead to him?"
"If God is real, why do we have to be told of his existence?"
"If God gives us free will, then why does he give us a set of rules to follow?"
"If God is a loving deity, then why does he create and allow cruelty?"
"If there is only one true god, then why does he allow us to create and worship other deities?"
"If God is pure, how could he create impure children?"
"Why are we important to God in a vast Universe?"
"Is it possible for God to create an object too heavy for even him to lift?"
“I love you but if you don’t do what I say I’m going to make you suffer for all eternity”
...there is no "eternal" burning hell, this is a worldly belief that made its way into the catholic church when she divorced the Holy Spirit and married paganism. The Bible says that once sin and sinners are annihilated in the Lake of Fire, they are turned to ashes, blotted out of the 'Book of Life', and it shall be as though they were never created. Final retribution is an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth.
The thought that after 30 trillion eons and then for eternity a soul continues to scream and writhe in agony for sins they committed in the span of 80+/- years is ridiculous and misrepresents God's perfect character that is equal justice and mercy.
God is the only source of life in the universe and it's Christ's breath or spirit (same word "pneuma" in the Greek) that gave us life and sustains us. When we choose to disobey God we are choosing to die the second death from which there is no resurrection. God is love and only those who choose to love Jesus Christ over sin will be given eternal life; anyone else would cause a second rebellion and we'd be right back where we started...
You sound like a parent who loves her children
@@jimmccarthy80 this is weirdly comforting lol. Lile even if god is real and I go to hell that sounds better than what I thought it would be. Thanks for the insite
@@amiaeams7522 ...You're welcome Amia; glad I could help. Something just didn't sound right to me about that "eternal burning hell" theory taught by the catholic church, yet has no Biblical substantiation. So I decided to pray about it and the deeper I studied I discovered God is not the enemy I was raised to believe He is. Praise God for truth!!
@Dylan Wall: I don’t understand your question. To what are you referring to?
*God didn’t create man in his image, man created God in his.*
...and those who worship a god they've created will have nothing to look forward to on their death bed...
To Tony: You seem to give man a lot of credit. If we gave God omnipotence, omniscience, and omnipresence, why then is man sending probes into space? Isn't man supposed to have known everything already? T
@@steverodak2230 Thing is, just because we say something is true, does not make it so. You can imagine omnipotence, without actually having it! This is one of the great things about our brain. But it seems a lot of people confuse reality with their imagination.
@@tme98 To Tony: Thank you for your response. I don't wish to haggle about anything, especially silly semantic. I take the word "image" in the context of "mirrored self" which includes all capacities and abilities. These image is of the Promises of God in His Kingdom. Clearly this imagery has yet to be fulfilled and our consecration is a part of this fulfillment. Totality of this image awaits us after the Second Coming. The image you resort to must referring to a "wishful thinking" kind of fantasy or dream. The difference is that one is real and the other, well, pipe smoke in the sky. Again, thank you for your thoughtful reply.
@@steverodak2230 I can’t but laugh at the religious chants. Sorry, you’re gonna have to take your toy elsewhere, I’m not willing to play.
One question I've never had properly answered is the idea of God's conception. God created the universe, but what created God? Where did He come from? Often times the closest I get to an answer is "God is beyond creation. God IS because God always HAS BEEN." But those same people scoff at the idea of the big bang saying "It is impossible for something to come from nothing." Which feels like very conflicting answers. So I've been curious about what possible answers there are to this question.
God is the uncaused causer. He needs no cause because asking what caused an uncaused thing is nonsensical. He, by definition, needs no explanation.
As for the Big Bang, it is impossible for something to come from nothing. If you have a void with nothing in it, then there's nothing that could possibly cause something to occur or come into being. As far as I've seen, that's undisputed.
I hope I've answered your question.
YESSSS thank you haha. I do not at all qualify myself as atheist, but definitely am a skeptic when it comes to atheism, theism, or religion. I think one of the primary ways I have come to conceptualize this question is an idea similar to what you were saying; that is, in order to have a God of the sort commonly discussed, conceived of, or theorized, this God would necessarily have the property/definition of the uncreated entity and original cause to all subsequent causes and effects until now. I also wonder if God would not have to in this sense, essentially be equivalent as an entity or force or agent (whatever that means) to reality (the universe we are part of) and the principles or parameters that were to govern it. Which would thus make the universe an observable manifestation of God, if such a being exists. Still trying to figure out where to go from there haha but very engaging to think about nonetheless!
I am still in high school, I was raised Christian and "still am" in my families eyes. This year, I am going to get confirmed into a church which I no longer believe in. My parents tell me that it's "because I should have the option for when I get married" but it's mainly because both of their parents are religious and would give them shit if they didn't make me. Essentially I've been indoctrinated into a church which I have no choice to be in dispite the fact I don't believe in it. If "God has a plan for me," would his plan be to throw me away from the church?! And stop worshipping the Christian God. Another question I had was, if I can't be happy without God's grace, how can I see so many atheists living their best lives to their fullest, while I'm trapped worshiping a diety who didn't even directly write his own book of worship, and instead had a ton of authors? Why should I only take some parts of the Bible literally, but ignore the parts about slavery, women's roles, etc?! It's so fucking frustrating but I can only rant here, and to my best friend. Thanks for reading. If anyone made it to the end of this comment, tell me if your experiences are similar to mine and if you had the same questions. I'd like to know.
Also I'm bisexual and my church "loves gay people" but still thinks they'll burn in hell even if they follow the bible which again is contradictory to the part where they said its a grace based religion and I just have to believe in God to make it to salvation.
"If people are good only because they fear punishment, and hope for reward, then we are a sorry lot indeed." -Albert Einstein
I think of this quote whenever I hear about Pascal's wager.
Um…that’s kinda dumb but- okay lol. Like…you realize if god didn’t exist all Christians wouldn’t automatically be murderers or anything…they’d just be humans. Getting blessings and stuff is just a bonus. (E.G. often when kids do chores they get allowance, when kids sneak out or sumn they get punished. With god it’s no different lol!)
@@thewizardofodd6880 Neat strawman.
@@paytonogallagher3284 ._.
i like that idea, it begs the question of whether we are good only because of the fear of punishment, or if because we are genuinely moral being that desire to be good. Also of what is better: being good because we know that is the moral thing to do even when we don't want to do it or should we do good because it a genuine desire?
@@adacathy3018 i mean that’s the point lmao
My favourite Christian anecdote is from Annie Dillard,
An Inuit man was speaking with the Jesuit priest sent to convert his community. They talked about good and evil, heaven and hell, repentance and sin. The Inuit man listened to all the priest had to say, and paused for a moment in silence, before asking the priest a question. "If you had never come here to tell me of this God, and I didn't know about sin, would I have gone to hell?" The priest thought for a moment, "Well, I suppose not. If you'd never heard of God, you couldn't be blamed for sin, so no. You wouldn't." The Inuit man nodded, and then asked earnestly, "Then why did you tell me?"
Well, in this case it's because he doesn't know what for sure will happen to him if he dies without knowing God. He only k ows for sure that with knowing God he can be saved, so he's just making sure.
I guess one theory is that a life with God on Earth is superior to one without, but said theory does assume that fact to be true.
@@johncargille7722 That's based upon the assumption that other cultures don't have their own deities and creation myths. I don't know why you started from the concept that nonchristians are godless. But it's not true.
@@jademoon7938 I would disagree. It's based on the assumption that some standard of desirability can better be obtained by knowing about and believing in the Christian God. And I think godless is the wrong descriptor, because even if I also believed in the god the Jesuit priest does, I wouldn't be claiming that they are godless, simply that they are not as connected to the god I believe in and thus do not experience as high a quality of life as I do. You're right that I used god to indicate the Christian god, which I could've been more specific about and thus I apologize, but in retrospect I unconsciously felt as though it could be implied by the context of the argument. I also tried to leave room for nuance, because that argument does assume in the desirable quality that comes with a life spent believing in the god of the Jesuit order.
This has nothing and everything to do with the video but please listen if you want to otherwise leave it alone and ignore it. Hello my name is Justin and I'm a fellow Christian and Apologist but I'm also a college student. I'm not a closed minded Theist as I have nothing against Atheists or unbelievers as I speak to them often to understand their reasons for unbelief but we as Christians are convinced of God's Existence due to many real factors). I'm not trying to convert anyone or convince anyone to become Christians as that's The Holy Spirit's job to help people believe but only explain why I believe in Jesus Christ. There's actually evidence of God's Existence in Christianity. First of all there's proof that Jesus of Nazareth existed in history since the writings of Tacitus, Josephus Flavius, Pliny the younger and other historical documents prove that He was living two thousand years ago that even scholars both religious and Atheists agree with historically speaking but not that He's The Divine Son of God because obviously they don't.
I'm going to give you historical and archeological evidence for God's Existence as The Scriptures have prophecies that predate the events recorded in them by several millennia including Matthew, Hosea and Zechariah which prophesy accurately of the people of Israel becoming a nation again after over 1900 years of being scattered around the nations since the destruction of the Temple in Jerusalem in 70 A.D. spoken of by Christ in Matthew 23:29-24:3 and returning to their homeland after The Holocaust with Jerusalem as their capital in 1948 exactly as Jesus The Christ said. The prophets including Daniel spoke of the time where several world empires would arise and fall including the Babylonian kingdom, Medes and Persians, Roman Empire, and Saladin and the Muslims which went in consecutive order for the past few millennia. The people of Israel becoming a nation after The Holocaust in 1948 (ironically the melting point of gold as God compares Israel to gold that's tested in fire in Zechariah 13:8 and Jeremiah 16:15) exactly how Jesus The Christ said would happen since God us everything to come in The Scriptures and not just because people were working towards as Atheists claim which are impossible for any regular man to predict.
Just before anyone says Christianity is a white man's religion made to oppress blacks during slavery you obviously aren't aware that the first Christians were Jews in The Middle East and that Christianity just like any religion can be used by evil and corrupt people to oppress others but you forget that the first Abolitionists/Civil Rights activists were Christians who sought to abolish slavery, racism, segregation, injustice and prejudice throughout American history. Jesus The Christ loves you enough not to give you what we all deserve which is God's Wrath by His Own Blood. Charles Darwin didn't originally come up with The Theory of Evolution over 200 years ago as it is mentioned in the writings of Ancient Greeks who believed in Demons that gave knowledge to philosophers.
Evolution makes no sense when nothing has evolved after thousands of years of human history and supposedly the first creature came from primordial sludge several millions of years
ago funny how they won't believe that God an Eternal Almighty Spirit Being created us from the Earth) which came from a supermassive expansion of matter at high temperature that inexplicably created everything in the known universe that supposedly came from nothing billions of years ago. How did the organs evolve before there were bones, skin, substance and how did any creatures see before eyes evolved? I've studied evolution and abiogenesis in the past and read Darwin's " Origin of The Species" and I'm not convinced of macro Evolutionary biology whereas I accept micro Evolution like speciation and adaptation but not macro Evolution because there's no evidence of it nor clear observable examples of it where living creatures evolve into other kinds of species plus the fact that fossils don't show evidence of evolution and genetic entropy rules out evolution. The question begs how did two genders evolve from a common ancestor with a perfectly hospitable and sustainable environment with breathable oxygen and resources to survive on inexplicably? Atheists have the burden of proof to explain how everything came to be and why our existence is possible without the Existence of God from an godless perspective just as Christians have to provide evidence of God's Existence and the validity of His Word.
Evolution requires life to already exist in order to take any effect in living organisms so it doesn't account for the existence of Life and reality. Also evolution is impossible because it goes against The Law of entropy and the second Law of thermodynamics because evolution makes things better whereas nothing continues to get better but decays and turns to absolute destruction in the end. Mark Ridley an Evolutionist said "No evolutionist whether gradualist or punctuationist uses the fossil record as evidence in favor of The Theory of Darwinian Evolution as opposed to special Creation". God's Existence is made perfectly known and observable in the universe as demonstrated in His Handiwork in the intelligently designed manner that Creation was made, human consciences and consciousness historical and archaeological evidence of God's Word being valid history, fulfillment of Bible Prophecies God in His Holiness and Righteousness could give us what we deserve in Hell for our since but He's merciful to give us free will to choose to accept or reject His gift of salvation by grace through faith in His Son Jesus. I don't mean this is any condescending manner but if you'd like to discuss The Scriptures with me or have me listen to your view on anything my instagram account is Savage Christian Kombatant.
The question (and answer) that really put it into words for me was in the words of Canute from the series Vinland Saga. "That which was lost in exchange for knowledge, that which we can never achieve while living. No matter how hard we try, we cannot grasp it. And yet, you still expect us to strive for it, o Father of Heaven? ...Is there no way other than death to soothe the pain of our sins? Do our lives exist for no other reason than to be tested? O Father of Heaven, your trials cannot bring these souls redemption! ...Our Father, no longer will I beg you for deliverance. If you will not give it to us, then we, with our own hands, will create our own Paradise upon the earth."
Leaving the answer aside for a moment, this question blows an enormous hole in Abrahamic ontology, since due to the doctrine of original sin all struggles on earth are essentially futile. No matter how hard we try, it's only in death that we're granted absolution and the chance to genuinely move beyond suffering, and ministers will often tell you that the entire purpose of living on earth is all leading up to that. So if all our struggles to reach it are ultimately futile, why then would God expect us to strive for it anyway? Do we really exist only to be constantly tested from the cradle to the grave? How does that save anyone? And it's there the answer comes in: if begging for deliverance is futile, the only answer is to use your own hands and shape the earth into a paradise all its own. And that was the step that led me to renouncing Christianity for good, because at that point, whether God exists or not, the answer of what I and others should do will not change, and certainly that answer is not "worship". And that really let me look at my lot in life and those of everyone around me with a new perspective, which I've been living by ever since
God’s been really quiet since this dropped
God created Satan, so that he could blame him for his mistakes.
Satan has free will, God did not force Him to do evil. Also, God does not kill, He took the blame as He took it from the sins of the world, Satan and humans Kill
Ferough Ahmad satan had a choice and we all do. God never forced anyone!
Also he created hell in order to save us from it.
@@georgian0461 God just allows people to die*
@@georgian0461 Sorry, but, as Satan was an angel, he had NO free will because, by definition, no angel can ever have any freewill. ALL angels are instruments of the will of god. All of their actions ARE by DEFINITION the will of god. So, Satan rebeling can only be the will of god.
“Demanding humans to slaughter and sacrifice animals because he enjoyed the act of devotion” - A selfish, heartless, narcissistic behavior...
Human blood was tainted at the beginning. If he enjoyed watching others suffer, why did he send Jesus who cried when others suffered?
@420 Cloud you have heard of God and you have rejected God.
@420 Cloud God is who your rejecting, God must first take a liking to you before Jesus will redeem you.
If you reject one, you reject the other.
You also reject the Holy Spirit of God, because God is trinity.
This shows that you know of God and you rejected him which automatically means you also reject Jesus.
@420 Cloud you sayed in your first comment that you think God is prety damn dark.
This would be blasphemy. At minimum. You did say that. Be more careful with what you say about somethings that you may not know about.
@@luismangiaterra1031
Not saying I agree with either, but why exactly is your perspective/ideas/etc. right, but 420's is wrong?
One of my biggest questions is the cognitive dissonance that comes from prayer vs. free will. People pray for a variety of things, health, justice, peace, to get that promotion, to get that home loan, for a successful surgery, etcetera. Many of these prayers would directly take away others' free will. Let's take a less controversial prayer. God if it be your will I really want that promotion. Now for that to be granted, God has to take your bosses free will and force them to pick you instead of someone else. I I am texting on my phone and hit someone and they're family prays for the accident to have not happened then my free will will have been taken away. Even if it's not a direct reversal of time and God just heals the person I hit ,God has taken away the consequences of free will, making my choices inconsequential. In fact only what we would consider nature or an act of God are things that could be prayed for. Because what we are left with is decisions humans make.
I’m a Christian, but I like your video very much. I find your questions, thoughtful and respectful. I think that Christians should be wrestling with these sorts of questions.
Many Christian thinkers embrace an idea of stages of faith, and questioning everything is of critical importance for faith to deepen. But much religious teaching shies away from this because it’s a scary route to take.
A quick comment on your first question. I wouldn’t see “holy Scriptures“ as “attempts by God to communicate“. I would see it more as a record of the struggle of people to understand.
I think that you are absolutely right that when Christians treat the holy book as an instruction manual, it leads to all sorts of problems!
Thanks for the video!
I really do like what you are doing!
"Religion has actually convinced people that there's an invisible man living in the sky who watches everything you do, every minute of every day. And the invisible man has a special list of ten things he does not want you to do. And if you do any of these ten things, he has a special place, full of fire and smoke and burning and torture and anguish, where he will send you to live and suffer and burn and choke and scream and cry forever and ever 'til the end of time!
... But he loves you!" - George Carlin
"He loves you, and HE NEEDS *MONEY* ."
Actual he regret creating us .....so he doesn't love us
Lol
Don't worry he is "Omnibenevolent" he loves us so no matter why, but he seems to also be a sadist who knowing we will burn in a place he made, still made us that way so we will burn and he will say that we don't choose to love him instead, so if god is "Omnibenevolent" and make us suffer then that's not very nice of him, I will prefer chilling with Satan rather than spending my life worshipping something that made me the way I am and doesn't care if I will suffer knowing that I will
"Religion has actually convinced people that there's an invisible man living in the sky" I hope someday to encounter this mythical religion that believes in an invisible man living in the sky. But, carry on attacking your own "straw man".
@@thomasmaughan4798 ah SUREEEE
I remember my mom telling me her questioning of the traditional Christian god started in Catholic school when someone asked “if god is forgiving, why does he sentence people to eternal torture?”
Because they would rather be there than with God.
You summed it up perfectly tbf. They reject his forgiveness.
he doesn't send people to eternal torture, you send yourself.
Yeah, I've never got that. The "you send yourself" argument doesn't make sense. If God created everything, why create hell? If the devil created hell and not God, why doesn't God just get rid of it? Is God not powerful enough to destroy a realm that Satan created? If that's the case, he's not all powerful. If he's all powerful, it sounds like he's a sinfully prideful sore loser who wants people punished for not worshipping him. It's sick 🤷 If he exists, he sounds childish and sadistic and I have no interest in worshipping something like that.
@@figgusriggs6462 because there has to be consequences for your actions. satan still serves a purpose.
I would like to extend your first point.
If a god is unga bunga magician creating universe,earth,life and omnipotent why does he need literature to teach his teachings,if he can snap his fingers his teachings can automatically be in everyone's head
My breaking point was when I cried and cried and prayed for my family not to murk each other cus I've been living in an alcoholic household for 17 years and as a little child, the more I grew, I just wondered "I was so innocent, why didn't he help me?" and from then on more questions piled up. I hate my family and the only thing I care about the Christian god/any religions loosely going the same way adam, eva, jesus etc as characters being involved, is the lore. That's it. Religion be damned after that.
We have a similar life with different outcomes. I accepted suffering and overcoming as parts of life and in my darkest moment, I was saved. Time and time again. I don't know why it's not universal. I wish it was. I still wish others could get what I got. It's not my business if you believe or not. I just hope you're doing ok
The world is full of evil your family situation included but how does that invalidate the God who stands against that evil and protects his followers from it? Being a Christian does not make you invulnerable to evil, rather it sheds perspective on what evil is and why it is destructive so you can avoid it
Whenever these arguments come up in church we are told that God is beyond our understanding
Or God works in mysterious ways.
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Always 'mysterious ways' when you are pointing out they make no sense, but somehow they are sure they know exactly what god means by leaving us a muddle of contradictory texts. Evidently it is easy to understand the mind of god when cherrypicking through the bible and ignoring the documents that were excluded from it.
If he is so beyond our understanding, how can we know we have the correct interpretation of his word, and we know what he thinks and wants
1:28 Why did God communicate through literature?
3:50 Shouldn't you worship the cruelest God imaginable?
6:48 Why did God create animals with the ability to feel pain?
8:34 Why doesn't God just create people in heaven and skip the trial period of earth
Was looking for timestamps and didn't see any hope this helps someone :)
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Ur a good man
You questions is answered brother
Watch this video
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Yahweh can communicate through telepathy which is why he uses papyrus.
A cruel and sadistic god for a cruel and sadistic human primate.
Imagine an animal laughing while being eaten alive. No fun in that.
The trial on earth provides a little extra thrill.
You all do see that you’re basically saying no one should ever suffer, or HOD is horrible, right?
Really nice and simple analysis.
I wish videos like this existed (or I had the foresight to seek them out) in my highschool theology classes when they taught us all the arguments for god’s existence.
a question my sister came up with is “if god gives us free will, why does he punish us for having it?”
edit: to clear up what i meant when i asked this question: If god knew what was going to go down, ie adam and eve sinning and then condemning us all to hell, why would he make us? why would this "all knowing, all powerful" god MAKE it so we would sin against him and then SEND us to hell for something he KNEW was going to happen? Im not saying we should be perfect, but if it is in our human nature to fail and mess up, like we CANT help not making mistakes, then why would he send us to hell since we can not help but fail? why would he design a world where the only way to be saved is through this one book that can be misinterpreted so easily, and not accessible throughout all the world. is everyone not able to be saved? why would an all loving god design a world like that? why make us at all if he knew some would rebel we'd get sent to hell, if this god didnt want us to go to hell in the first place?
he doesn't
@@lovisabengtsson9200 exactly, i’ve had christianity shoved down my throat all my life and for a long time i didn’t question it but i’ve been out of church (my parents used to force me to go to church) since march cause of covid and a lot of questions have popped up, more questions than can be answered by the “good book” and so many things that just don’t make sense. i’m glad i found channels like these to help me explore
sarah garner why did you say “exactly”?
Lovisa disagreed with you!
You have confused making the wrong choices in life, with the ability to make those choices in the first place.
You read what you wanted, not what was written.
@@kajenbop i read it as “he doesn’t give us free will” but i guess you’re right lol, my bad, but there’s something that doesn’t make sense about god giving us free will if he punishes for having it, i don’t know tho lol
sarah garner he doesn’t
The question that was always the most blatant and damning to me was: “If god demands our worship, why do we have no instruction on which god to worship”
We’re born with no knowledge of any god or faith. Shouldn’t we know what rules we need to follow so we don’t spend an eternity in hell? Shouldn’t we know better than just a random guess?
What evidence would convince you??
@@spacecoastdogtrainer3778 sufficient evidence. Any actual evidence that can’t be misread. Are you implying there is objective evidence out there?
God gave us the Bible, that gives us instruction on which God to worship.
@@tylerkropf9522 . No our ancestors gave us a book of fables that turned into a religion.
A better question is why does god need worship, and why would it affect your ability to gain their love or get into heaven? A person doing good acts without believing in god should be more “worthy” than one who does believe but does no good acts. And if that is the case then belief and god or worshiping them would be wholly unnecessary.
2 points made me question the paradigm when I was a believer.
1. As someone who strives to go to heaven; knowing that in heaven there is no sin (no anger, jealousy… ect) then would I not have memories of my transgressions on earth? What about hell I will maintain a memory of my transgressions? If the statement is true, then I will be myself in hell and some different person in heaven. Do I choose to stay myself and suffer or become a drone in bless.
2. Being skeptic now: If I was born to the right religion, and the message I got was the really true one and got the lottery of god and was a believer; then HE made me lose faith even if I prayed and wanted to be in reason and one of the good people in heaven. Is that on me or on him? He created the plan which he knew in advance that will cause me suffering.
Another quick one: why do you have a problem with homosexuality when it is obviously something natural in mammals? And then say in the holy books; itself as unnatural. Big contradiction in my opinion.
The first major crack in my faith happened as a teenager when I considered the event of the Moors raping and killing Catholic nuns when they invaded Spain. Here you have a group of women who devoted their entire existence to God, even to the point of preserving their virginity until death. It seems that if there were any single group of people God would intervene in favor of, it would be these chaste, devoted "brides of Christ". The absence of such intervention proved that God didn't care or was powerless. My conclusion was that , at the very least, God took a "hands off" approach, rendering prayer pointless, or even worse, perhaps he wasn't even there at all.
Thank you for the kind shout-out, my friend... you definitely did the question justice. Well done.
damn as he mentioned your name i was reading your comment. weird
i was raised as christian and i never understood why god couldn’t deal with satan? when lucifer was an angel, wouldn’t god have known he would betray him? couldn’t he have killed him/ not make him in the first place? there might be an obvious reason for this but i always just tried to not think about it when i was christian
Yes God knew that even when He made Satan good that Satan was going to have none of that and cause crap, Didn't make the act of creating him any less good. and I guess for that reason the cosmos would have actually been worse off for God not having done something good (create). Theres tonnes of people that did awful things ore people who wouldn't like God but apparently even for all of that evil the world is still better for them having existed at all simply because God making stuff is just really really good.
@@daniele7989 There is no good in creating Satan. If you invent the standard, invent the possibility of your creations failing that standard, then create the punishment for those who fail that standard, then you're just an asshole.
If god does good things, and god created evil, then evil is good.
When I was a Christian I interpreted this to mean that God and Satan were actually one in the same. Ofcourse voicing this got me kicked out of Sunday school lol.
dottie dot
Yes sir God could have kept Satan from deceiving his creation, but God permits evil to bring about his ultimate good.
anti-anti-intellectual x
I’m familiar with logic, I just thank the one who gave us logic
One of the questions I had was: If God is omnipotent, and knows everything of all past and all future, then why would he create you if he already knew you would go to hell? What’s the point? And why does he WANT people to convince other people to do things if he already knows exactly what will happen? And if he doesn’t then he isn’t truly omnipotent.
The question about the good and the bad god reminds me quite a lot about the Prisoners Dilemma of game theory.
The nail in the coffin for me was, “Would a just god send someone to Hell for making the wrong decision when it’s impossible to have a correct answer? Is an unjust god worth worshipping?”
Daniel Stearns
God wouldn’t do that
John Brown Sure. So as long as I’m being intellectually honest and really can’t determine if there is a god, a just god would not punish that unbelief.
Daniel Stearns
God says that everyone has enough information of his existence, but suppresses that truth in unrighteousness, which is no excuse for their sin against him.
People are not punished for disbelief, but for their sin against a God that they do know that exists. Which is why Christians send missionaries, if they didn’t know that God exists, they would have an excuse.
Daniel Stearns
Romans 1:18-23 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, because that which is known about God is evident within them; for God made it evident to them. For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made, so that they are without excuse. For even though they knew God, they did not honor Him as God or give thanks, but they became futile in their speculations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing to be wise, they became fools, and exchanged the glory of the incorruptible God for an image in the form of corruptible man and of birds and four-footed animals and crawling creatures.
John Brown
Your God supposedly created the world, all life on the world, and even has the power to orchestrate fate, because he's omnipotent in all sense of the word. Yet, he creates a world where millions of children under the age of 5 suffer and die in incredible pain, in famine, in sickness, without even the opportunity to think deeply about the existence of God; many of these children would have also been raised with a different faith, such as Islam. These children, by your definition, would have sinned had a missionary told them about Christianity, and would have gone to Hell.
Christians rave about miracles, fate, and God's "plan". If God had the power to orchestrate fate, by definition you do not have free will. Because God determines your fate, and the fate of everyone on this planet. Everything you do is meaningless because God planned it for you. At the same time, God likes to play extremely cruel games with humanity where he orchestrates extremely cruel fates, where people live and die knowing nothing but suffering. Apparently, God's "plan" for some people are to make their lives a living hell.
You theists are so self-centered and so detached from the rest of the world it's laughable. Statistically speaking, before I even finish writing this comment, 156 children under the age of 5 would have died. What is God's plan for them? Why does God perform miracles for people in the West, supposedly curing people of cancer, while literally millions of die from famine and easily treatable diseases such as Malaria elsewhere in the world? Am I the only one who sees the absolute silliness in people praising God because something good happened in their lives, while in that same moment a child is probably dying in agony?
"What was Lucifer's recruitment speech?" Imagine you're an angel, before Lucifer rebelled and became Satan. The Kingdom of Heaven is at its absolute best and most perfect; there is no "sin" to contaminate existence, no pit of Hell echoing with the tormented screams of the damned. You're walking down a golden street one perfect day. You see the leader of Heaven's choir, the great archangel Lucifer, and he seems to have something on his mind. You give him the proper gesture of respect and say hello. His eyes focus on you; he calls you over, then nudges you to duck into a side street. Then, he tries to talk you into the unimaginable: rebellion against Almighty Yahweh! What does he say?
There is a passage in the Book of Revelation which describes the Dragon (Satan) drawing a third of the angels down from Heaven with his tail. As I understand it, this is usually interpreted as meaning that he persuaded a third of the angels to join him in his rebellion. A *third!* How many times in history has a third of a country's population chosen to emigrate from that country, or accepted being driven out instead of submitting to the authorities? Things have to be REALLY BAD for something like that to happen, right? Keep in mind that Lucifer would not have given his recruitment speech to hideous bat-winged demons, but to holy angels who knew nothing other than pure service to the Lord. These angels were willing to face two-to-one odds against the angels that remained loyal--not even counting Yahweh himself!--to take Lucifer's side, and face the prospect of everlasting torture in Hell. What could Lucifer possibly *say* to make them want to do this?
Follow-up question: "Revelation 20:7-10 tells us that, after a thousand years of Jesus' perfect rule over the world, Satan is released. Immediately, the nations of the world rise up to join him in revolution, and they besiege Jerusalem before being destroyed by Yahweh. Why would the world rebel against Jesus like this? Again, Satan has a recruitment speech to give. He's already been beaten by Jesus at Armageddon, so anyone considering taking his side has to know the odds are heavily against them. They've lived under the direct rule of King Jesus for a thousand years, so they know exactly who he is and what he's like. If copies of the Book of Revelation still exist (and why wouldn't they?), they can literally read the ending in advance! Spoiler alert: Jesus wins! So why do people, apparently the vast majority of people (the ones remaining loyal to Jesus can all fit in Jerusalem), join this second rebellion? What kind of recruitment speech could Satan possibly give to make this happen?"
Second follow-up question: "If Heaven--and the direct rule of King Jesus on Earth during the Millennium--is as perfect and omni-wonderful as you've been led to believe, how would rebellions like this even be possible? Lucifer and the angels that joined him LIVED there, in the direct presence of Yahweh; you've just got some vague symbolic descriptions of the place in a book. How do you know you'll be happy there? For ETERNITY?"
Addendum: In the sixth chapter of Genesis, we're told that a group of angels found human women attractive, so they defected from Heaven to Earth, married, and raised children. Think about THAT for a moment. Again, pure and holy angels, with the chance to compare life in Heaven with human family life on Earth, chose the latter. Supposedly, the society they were joining was exceptionally violent. Not so violent that Noah and his family couldn't go to the hardware store for all their Ark-building supplies instead of having to mine the iron for nails etc. themselves because division of labor had broken down, and Jesus uses "the days of Noah" as a metaphor for *normalcy* prior to sudden divine judgment. So, probably not as violent as Aleppo during the Syrian Civil War, but still not an ideal society to compare favorably with Heaven itself...right? In the New Testament, Paul tells women to wear veils in church "because of the angels"--apparently the sight of a woman's lovely face and hair is STILL enough to make an angel want to bail from Yahweh's kingdom the first chance he gets. Maybe these angels know something about Heaven and the character of Yahweh's rule that you don't?
Kevin Crady very interesting ideas there.
@@cephalonblue5991 It can be possible. Oooor, we're just overestimating their intellectual capacity. In the book of isaiah for example, its told that there are angels phisically stronger than others. What if their intellectual ability can differ as well? It could be quite easy for a stronger guy like lucifer to convince others not so capable or, just like us, without all the informations about god. If a made any grammar mistake, forgive me, i'm brazilian.
Kevin Crady My personal explanation is that this was supposed to happen and was inevitable. For Good to exist Evil must as well
well i think that their are no demons and hell is reserved for only satan as we know that angels have no free will as their purpose is to serve god ad that is it so like a bacteria the just do it with no second thought so the idea of them betraying god doesn't make sense so i think that lucifer must have tried but failed to convince any angels in heaven and so what he said is not important, but that is just me.
well it does say that he was the smartest angel and he is also known for tempting people so i would say he would have an easy time doing so
I'm glad you mentioned free will. It's one thing I think many misunderstand. Yes, I believe we all have free will, and that's the key: we all have it. And we each have a choice about how to act. It's because we each have a choice how to act that causes a lot of pain even as it can cause pleasure and _compassion,_ something that is neither pain nor pleasure but is a desirable outcome as opposed to indifference and neglect.
A person can suffer from a disease through no fault of their own. But each person -including the afflicted- has a choice how to deal with it.
The afflicted might seek help. The afflicted might choose to do nothing and ignore it.
Others may choose also to ignore it. And this might not be indifference but to limited capacity or inability to understand the afflicted's experience.
Some people might not have a cure for the affliction, but they provide friendship, company, food, shelter, and comfort to ease the pain compounded by the afflicted's environment, thus reducing their compounded suffering. Others might only be able to pray for the hurting person.
Others might search tirelessly for a cure or a way for the hurting person to be cured or their pain greatly reduced. It might or might not be successful. If not successful, this researcher might just give up. Another choice many such people take is to be inspired by this hurting person and continue their tireless search for cures or treatments for the disease, as they know many other people suffer from it. The Susan Komen foundation to find cures for cancer and assistance for sufferers of it is one such group. And these people often campaign for support.
My point is that people have free will to act, and people act out of many positions.
I didn't know about ALS or Lou Gehrig's Disease much before the "Bucket of Ice Water" challenge. But I researched it some after I found out. (I didn't take the challenge; I felt I didn't have the $$ to contribute, and it was not an easy thing to arrange the bucket of ice water. But I did think it was a cool way to bring awareness and participation to a good cause. March of Dimes as well. That was an amazing campaign.
Marginalized people, people of societally dubious acceptance (Hell's Angels, Black Panthers, Vets, etc.), and people inspired to causes often supply support in unexpected ways. For example, a funeral was a target of the Ku Klux Klan with intention to disrupt it. Hell's Angels gathered at the outskirts of the funeral to stand together to protect it from such violence. The Klan abandoned their plan.
People die. There is no intervention for that. It causes bereavement and pain sometimes unbearable. People offer assistance and safety so that the bereaved can feel and express those grief without interference. Grief is something that psychiatrists have studied since time immemorial, and in doing so came to the conclusion that expressing grief allows healthy growth. Compassion was ultimately their goal.
Belief in God goes beyond much more than the pain and pleasure dichotomy. There are even different kinds of love besides romance and passion. One I like is called "bromance."
Women have had this same sex friendship forever. Men haven't explored that as a spoken thing till just recently.
Famous bromances include characters in Star Trek, and I can't think of a better bromance than Kirk and Spock. No other relationship in this story arc comes close.
A real-life bromance I identify is Bud Abbott and Lou Costello. Their famous bit "Who's On First?" is a classic expression of it.
There is so much more that is involved in life and God that is so complex and impossible to pigeonhole.
In my religion, Eckankar, I believe in this tenet that Soul (of which we are all a part) is a way through which God learns about IT's creation.
The question that made me quit the church was a bit different:
What is faith?
It's the believe for something when there is no proof for it.
What else do I believe is real that there is no prove for?
Nothing.
And that was it, catholic church confirmation age
when I finally left mormonism and became athiests, there was a whole lot of things I was more open and accepting towards. One of my realizations was that hell was actually a fail safe for religious minds having doubts. Someone having doubts about their religion, the fear of going to hell would keep them in their religious mind set.
Interestingly enough, this video and the 4 questions posed has actually strengthened my faith in God, his son, Jesus Christ, and in the Holy Ghost through the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. Just goes to show that everyone is on their own path in life.
@@TripleCOddyssey how so? could you rationally explain all the questions asked? if so i would like to hear your explanations and if not, well it need't me said
@@jonahfirth258 don't expect any answers form religious people. They don't know how to ask questions and just acknowledge "i don't know" instead of filling the gaps in science with god
@@animezia Interesting display of bigoted arrogance. My question in response would be what entitles you both to an answer? Especially since you both made it clear that a good faith discussion is far beneath you? Perhaps you should look inwards and work on yourself and your own flaws before trying to combat people online. Cheers.
@@TripleCOddyssey ay ay ay I want your answer. What were your answers to the questions I’m genuinely curious
Famous Dutch soccer player, Johan Cruyff, once said: "I’m not religious. In Spain, all 22 players make the sign of the cross before they enter the pitch. If it works, all matches must therefore end in a draw"
or maybe it doesn't mean "we're gonna win this", maybe it means "no matter if I win or not, I know what's the most important thing in my life". I think they all know that making a cross sign doesn't make them win the game...
If prayer worked, it'd mean that God's plan isn't perfect, as imperfect sinners could make him change it to benefit them
Martin Kortner remember that assassins should not go to hell, they are just following god's plan, and if his plan for them was to burn in hell it just says how cruel he is and definitely not Omni benevolent
So if two teams are from the same country are playing against each other they shouldn't play the national anthem or raise their flag because that means that the match has to be a draw
Ooooor maaaybeee they are doing it for their love and appreciation of the country not because they think the government should help them more than the other team
@@boo9781 they are not "just following" his plan
What do you mean with plan??? You say it as if god is planning something and we are the plan
God knows what will happen that is waaaay different than saying he made in a way that makes them kill people
One that I have is “if God is tri Omni, or at the very least, omniscient, does that not mean that free will is impossible?”
Former catholic, now atheist. Main reason is that i was taught that god was good so i would pray to him. Then my mom became toxic and abusive and there was no god.
"I've seen enough people be animals out there to know that if God made us in his own image, God is every bit as feral as the things he creates."
Mollymauk
Sin is the more animal side, logic and justice is the image of God side
@@JohnBrown-of4pw do you have some actual life outside of spending all day in atheist comment section??
Zeus TM
I have a smart phone, so I can do these things in between life
Please don’t insult the animal kingdom - “Mankind is indeed king of the beasts, for his brutality surpasses all of them” Da Vinci.
If we are made in god’s image, this is not surprising, given the biblical atrocities committed or commanded by this despicable deity
Margaret Barrett
What makes them atrocious?
I got my own question for Pascal's Wager: if God exists, wouldn't he know you were only pretending to believe and not reward you for your false piety?
Yes he knows.
Yes, and Pascal himself mentioned this problem with the wager.
@@warrendriscoll350 Wanna BET/wager? can you provide a link to these Blazing words?
And that's being charitable.
Being a maths problem, it suffers from the issue of 'coming to the right conclusion, but with the wrong data, making it overall the wrong conclusion'.
I just stop after someone lays out the 2x2 options (believe, dont believe/god is real, god isn't real) and say "what about the other gods? Shouldn't their existance be equally weighed?"
He does that
"Shouldn't you worship the cruelest god imaginable?"
Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn, everybody!