The film is made of raw archival footage, edited together by Loznitsa. What you are looking at is directly from the archive. This clip was made from film documentation of the digging of tank traps in 1941 to slow the advance of the German army toward Kyiv.
NO; incorrect. If you look deeply at the (many statements by Sergei) he relied on statements from (alleged) survivors and statements from Nuremberg trials. The archival footage in NO WAY refers to any execution scenes or settings; ALL of that parts are reconstructed film-NOT actual film footage. There exists NO ACTUAL ARCHIVAL PUBLIC film of the mass executions. There does exist some photographs. It has not been made crystal clear (likely on purpose) that this is the fact where those whom do benefit from such stories are allowing it appear that Sergei's reconstructed films(s) to be perceived currently and more alarmingly -in the future.
This scene does not purport to be a scene of the executions. There are no execution scenes in the film. The film is constructed entirely of archival footage. It does not show any executions of 29-30 September 1941.
Correction: there is footage of the execution of the perpetrators after the war. The film is made entirely of archival footage. There are no acted scenes.
Hello, very important : 30. 9. 2023 on German TV news ARD 1 at 12.03 and later at 17.00 hours was shown a footage of german murderers in uniforms in babynyar walking towards victims who were actually all at least half dressed up and in some seconds starting shooting at them - while still walking towards them. Now THIS I have not seen before for sure. Were You informed of this new find ? Who knows how long it is it was shown like 10 seconds of it. This is now second like movie - originally filmed action of German murderers in second world war besides the one in Škede - Liepaja.
@@sreckosx The ARD footage you mention would be something unknown to me or most other people. Video of the murders at Babyn Yar is unknown until now, so if you have found something, it would be very important. Sergei Loznitsa used Soviet archival footage, not German film, so that would be another source. Of course, it would have to be the Germans who filmed the actual murders at Babyn Yar.
My mother was a 16-year old Ukrainian soviet girl at this time. She told me about digging these massive ant-tank ditches. In 1942, she was shipped out to Germany as an "OST Arbiter" which was essentially a slave-labourer for the German war machine. I am typing this right now because she miraculously survived. I officially registered her as a "holocaust survivor". She spent 6 months in Camp Spergau until being reassigned to other work in Germany. For her suffering, she received $6000 from the German government.
My wife's grandmother received 6,000 DM. This is just a mockery. From the suffering, bullying and hunger she experienced, towards the end of her life she got a hoarding disorder. She didn't throw anything away. In her opinion, all this could be useful to her.
That’s all she got? She and all the other survivors should gotten a whole lot more. German can certainly afford it being the richest country in Europe.Germany waiting sometimes many years before granting survivors and financial reparations , this way a lot of the survivors had died and Germany would t have to pay out money to that survivors. Meanwhile so many of the German and Austrian mass murderers went back to their country after getting a slap in the wrist and had their families and children and grandchildren while collecting their pensions and talking about “the good old days!” German bastards.
What you see here is Babyn Yar the place---a large ravine in outer Kyiv. This is archival footage of people from Kyiv digging trenches to protect the city from the German advance in the summer of 1941. This is not footage of the mass murders of 29-30 September 1941. This is footage of that big ravine that later became a place of mass-murder.
Wait... you mean that the ravine they dig in order to protect themselves.... was the very same ramine that later on, thousands of people were killed there???
@@JEON_CENA Babyn Yar was a huge ravine with other ravines feeding into it. The Nazis used the curves in the subsidiary ravines to obscure sightlines to the final killing points. You can see this on old maps that predate the flooding of Babyn Yar. The soil in the network of ravines was very sandy and easy to dig. As the Germans approached Kyiv in the summer of 1941, the people of the city were mobilized to dig out the sides of the ravines to make it harder for German tanks and other vehicles to drive through. They used geographical features that were already there---ravines---to dig tank traps. That's what you see people doing in the archival footage. I only make this comment because some people claim that these people are actors. They are not. The entire film is made of archival footage. There are no acted scenes.
The brave Jewish Ukrainian President Zelinski in his video speech live on TV this afternoon 8 March 2022 to a packed British House of Commons referred to the "Babyn Yar Massacre" (presumably to get some political kudos)? In this speech he simply referred to the 33,000 victims as "PEOPLE" when he obviously knew full well it was his Jewish ancestors. One wonders why he avoided the accurate and sad description of them being only Jews and that their neighbours from Kiev happily joined their German Nazi friends in this slaughter over 3 days in 1941
@@ISCDESIGNAustralia thank you. It was far worse than that. The Ukrainians have form over & century for unprovoked attacks on their jewish neighbors. They were certainly not forced to participate (like in Kaunas alsoin 1941, Kielce 1946,) and often instigated such pogroms. I refer again to photos of Kiev pogrom and the crowd's delight taunting & killing naked Jewish women! It has to be said and Zelensky's deliberate avoidance of the truth now is disturbing since he uses his Jewish background only for his own political reasons.
@@ISCDESIGNAustralia My reading indicates the contrary and I have yet to ready any accounts that the locals needed any coercion even well before the Nazis arrived. But I am open to other views
Ukrainians did not take part in the Kaunas pogrom of June 1941; that was the work of the Germans assisted by Lithuanian paramilitaries. No Ukrainians took part in the Kielce 1946 pogrom; that was the work of the local Communist government in Poland, not Ukraine.
Hello, very important : 30. 9. 2023 on German TV news ARD 1 at 12.03 and later at 17.00 hours was shown a footage of german murderers in uniforms in babyn yar walking towards victims who were actually all at least half dressed up and in some seconds starting shooting at them - while still walking towards them. Now THIS I have not seen before for sure. Were You informed of this new find ? Who knows how long it is it was shown like 10 seconds of it. This is now second like movie - originally filmed action of German murderers in second world war besides the one in Škede - Liepaja.
@@Serpent-t7w no sorry. YOU are wrong. this is well known, liberally-scripted and staged movie footage. There are NO actual authentic movies; There are some photographs attributed. but this is certainly NOT real footage, sorry if that disappoints you.
Many Ukranians collaborated with the Germans because of strong anti-Soviet sentiment but to blame the majority of Ukranians is wrong too. Many fought the Germans and out of the 22 million Soviet Soldiers killed in WWIII, over 8 million were Ukranian. A higher proportion to population than any other Soviet republic including Russia.
So the ones who fought for the Soviets basically all were killed and the Jews of Ukraine were mostly all killed also I believe ? So the Ukraine's today that the World is doing everything for are basically the descendants of the Ukraine's that fought for Nazi Germany is that correct ?
@@charlesmartella No. Most Ukranian Jews fought in the Red Army. When they got home their families weren't there. Ultanationalist Ukranians did help guard some of the concentration camps though. A little over 22 million Soviet Soldiers died in WWII. Over 8 million were Ukranian. They didn't want the Nazis but they hated the Soviets at the same time.
@@anthonyfuqua6988 Ukrainians served at every concentration camp. Ukrainians don't like Non Aryan people that's why they didn't join NATO so they didn't have to take Americas sub human refugees . Call a spade a spade .
@@anthonyfuqua6988 most of the Jews and Jews and Ukranians who fought in the red army wre killed which leaves who ? The Ukranians who fought with the Germans. Ukranians Police helped prepare the ravines at Babi Yar and helped round up Jews for the NAZIS .
@@Serpent-t7w incorrect. Per Sergei's own word on the website (read it) he states; "... Based entirely on archive footage, the film RE CONSTRUCTS the events leading up to the massacre of 33 771 Jews in German occupied Kiev in September 1941, and the aftermath of the tragedy. However, it is possible to RECONSTRUCT its historical context through archive footage, documenting the years of German occupation of Ukraine. My aim is to plunge the spectator into the atmosphere of the time." fyi 'reconstruct' definition; 1, build or form (something) again after it has been damaged or destroyed. 2.reorganize (something). 3. form an impression, model, or re-enactment of (a past event or thing) from the available evidence. The movie is a MOVIE not actual real historical footage. .
@@Serpent-t7w no sorry. YOU are wrong. this is well known, liberally-scripted and staged movie footage. There are NO actual authentic movies; There are some photographs attributed. but this is certainly NOT real footage, sorry if that disappoints you.
The film is made of raw archival footage, edited together by Loznitsa. What you are looking at is directly from the archive. This clip was made from film documentation of the digging of tank traps in 1941 to slow the advance of the German army toward Kyiv.
NO; incorrect. If you look deeply at the (many statements by Sergei) he relied on statements from (alleged) survivors and statements from Nuremberg trials. The archival footage in NO WAY refers to any execution scenes or settings; ALL of that parts are reconstructed film-NOT actual film footage. There exists NO ACTUAL ARCHIVAL PUBLIC film of the mass executions. There does exist some photographs. It has not been made crystal clear (likely on purpose) that this is the fact where those whom do benefit from such stories are allowing it appear that Sergei's reconstructed films(s) to be perceived currently and more alarmingly -in the future.
This scene does not purport to be a scene of the executions. There are no execution scenes in the film. The film is constructed entirely of archival footage. It does not show any executions of 29-30 September 1941.
Correction: there is footage of the execution of the perpetrators after the war. The film is made entirely of archival footage. There are no acted scenes.
Hello, very important : 30. 9. 2023 on German TV news ARD 1 at 12.03 and later at 17.00 hours was shown a footage of german murderers in uniforms in babynyar walking towards victims who were actually all at least half dressed up and in some seconds starting shooting at them - while still walking towards them. Now THIS I have not seen before for sure. Were You informed of this new find ? Who knows how long it is it was shown like 10 seconds of it. This is now second like movie - originally filmed action of German murderers in second world war besides the one in Škede - Liepaja.
@@sreckosx The ARD footage you mention would be something unknown to me or most other people. Video of the murders at Babyn Yar is unknown until now, so if you have found something, it would be very important. Sergei Loznitsa used Soviet archival footage, not German film, so that would be another source. Of course, it would have to be the Germans who filmed the actual murders at Babyn Yar.
My mother was a 16-year old Ukrainian soviet girl at this time. She told me about digging these massive ant-tank ditches. In 1942, she was shipped out to Germany as an "OST Arbiter" which was essentially a slave-labourer for the German war machine. I am typing this right now because she miraculously survived. I officially registered her as a "holocaust survivor". She spent 6 months in Camp Spergau until being reassigned to other work in Germany. For her suffering, she received $6000 from the German government.
My wife's grandmother received 6,000 DM. This is just a mockery. From the suffering, bullying and hunger she experienced, towards the end of her life she got a hoarding disorder. She didn't throw anything away. In her opinion, all this could be useful to her.
That’s all she got? She and all the other survivors should gotten a whole lot more. German can certainly afford it being the richest country in Europe.Germany waiting sometimes many years before granting survivors and financial reparations , this way a lot of the survivors had died and Germany would t have to pay out money to that survivors. Meanwhile so many of the German and Austrian mass murderers went back to their country after getting a slap in the wrist and had their families and children and grandchildren while collecting their pensions and talking about “the good old days!” German bastards.
What you see here is Babyn Yar the place---a large ravine in outer Kyiv. This is archival footage of people from Kyiv digging trenches to protect the city from the German advance in the summer of 1941. This is not footage of the mass murders of 29-30 September 1941. This is footage of that big ravine that later became a place of mass-murder.
and your point is ?
@@gordonski9310 factual correction. Or are you more satisfied with whatever you're fed?
Wait... you mean that the ravine they dig in order to protect themselves.... was the very same ramine that later on, thousands of people were killed there???
@@JEON_CENA Babyn Yar was a huge ravine with other ravines feeding into it. The Nazis used the curves in the subsidiary ravines to obscure sightlines to the final killing points. You can see this on old maps that predate the flooding of Babyn Yar. The soil in the network of ravines was very sandy and easy to dig. As the Germans approached Kyiv in the summer of 1941, the people of the city were mobilized to dig out the sides of the ravines to make it harder for German tanks and other vehicles to drive through. They used geographical features that were already there---ravines---to dig tank traps. That's what you see people doing in the archival footage. I only make this comment because some people claim that these people are actors. They are not. The entire film is made of archival footage. There are no acted scenes.
@@gordonski9310 The point is....THE TRUTH!Nothing more or less!
Omg, I cannot believe you have this footage
Read the novel "Baby Yar". Read Yevgeny Yevtushenko's epic poem.
The brave Jewish Ukrainian President Zelinski in his video speech live on TV this afternoon 8 March 2022 to a packed British House of Commons referred to the "Babyn Yar Massacre" (presumably to get some political kudos)? In this speech he simply referred to the 33,000 victims as "PEOPLE" when he obviously knew full well it was his Jewish ancestors.
One wonders why he avoided the accurate and sad description of them being only Jews and that their neighbours from Kiev happily joined their German Nazi friends in this slaughter over 3 days in 1941
exactly. the Nazis used Ukrainian forces to assist
@@ISCDESIGNAustralia thank you. It was far worse than that. The Ukrainians have form over & century for unprovoked attacks on their jewish neighbors. They were certainly not forced to participate (like in Kaunas alsoin 1941, Kielce 1946,) and often instigated such pogroms. I refer again to photos of Kiev pogrom and the crowd's delight taunting & killing naked Jewish women! It has to be said and Zelensky's deliberate avoidance of the truth now is disturbing since he uses his Jewish background only for his own political reasons.
@@gordonski9310 it is interesting. I do believe I have heard several notable historians stating Ukrainians were coerced
@@ISCDESIGNAustralia My reading indicates the contrary and I have yet to ready any accounts that the locals needed any coercion even well before the Nazis arrived. But I am open to other views
Ukrainians did not take part in the Kaunas pogrom of June 1941; that was the work of the Germans assisted by Lithuanian paramilitaries. No Ukrainians took part in the Kielce 1946 pogrom; that was the work of the local Communist government in Poland, not Ukraine.
Hello, very important : 30. 9. 2023 on German TV news ARD 1 at 12.03 and later at 17.00 hours was shown a footage of german murderers in uniforms in babyn yar walking towards victims who were actually all at least half dressed up and in some seconds starting shooting at them - while still walking towards them. Now THIS I have not seen before for sure. Were You informed of this new find ? Who knows how long it is it was shown like 10 seconds of it. This is now second like movie - originally filmed action of German murderers in second world war besides the one in Škede - Liepaja.
Кто и когда организовал этих женщин? Что и для кого они выкопали?
Muy probablemente eran las zanjas para asesinar judíos. Terrible pasado el de Europa.
anti-tank ditch
противотанковый ров
Was the flooding in 1959 more than 2000 died.
What am I seeing here? There is no description.
Is this real footage of the event ?
No it's from a movie.
@@austinpowers8550 this is not a movie. These are documentary footages.
it is staged movie footage
@@Serpent-t7w no sorry. YOU are wrong. this is well known, liberally-scripted and staged movie footage. There are NO actual authentic movies; There are some photographs attributed. but this is certainly NOT real footage, sorry if that disappoints you.
@@ISCDESIGNAustralia so what’s the movie then
Anyone else spot the good looking gal in a bikini at 0:55?…
Pobrecita .
Many Ukranians collaborated with the Germans because of strong anti-Soviet sentiment but to blame the majority of Ukranians is wrong too. Many fought the Germans and out of the 22 million Soviet Soldiers killed in WWIII, over 8 million were Ukranian. A higher proportion to population than any other Soviet republic including Russia.
So the ones who fought for the Soviets basically all were killed and the Jews of Ukraine were mostly all killed also I believe ? So the Ukraine's today that the World is doing everything for are basically the descendants of the Ukraine's that fought for Nazi Germany is that correct ?
@@charlesmartella No. Most Ukranian Jews fought in the Red Army. When they got home their families weren't there. Ultanationalist Ukranians did help guard some of the concentration camps though. A little over 22 million Soviet Soldiers died in WWII. Over 8 million were Ukranian. They didn't want the Nazis but they hated the Soviets at the same time.
@@anthonyfuqua6988 Ukrainians served at every concentration camp. Ukrainians don't like Non Aryan people that's why they didn't join NATO so they didn't have to take Americas sub human refugees . Call a spade a spade .
@@anthonyfuqua6988 most of the Jews and Jews and Ukranians who fought in the red army wre killed which leaves who ? The Ukranians who fought with the Germans. Ukranians Police helped prepare the ravines at Babi Yar and helped round up Jews for the NAZIS .
@@charlesmartella Those alive today are not those alive today and there was a bunch of partisans. He'll their President is a Jew.
Movie
yes
@@Serpent-t7w incorrect. Per Sergei's own word on the website (read it) he states; "... Based entirely on archive footage, the film RE CONSTRUCTS the events leading up to the massacre of 33 771 Jews in German occupied Kiev in September 1941, and the aftermath of the tragedy. However, it is possible to RECONSTRUCT its historical context through archive footage, documenting the years of German occupation of Ukraine. My aim is to plunge the spectator into the atmosphere of the time."
fyi 'reconstruct' definition;
1, build or form (something) again after it has been damaged or destroyed.
2.reorganize (something).
3. form an impression, model, or re-enactment of (a past event or thing) from the available evidence.
The movie is a MOVIE not actual real historical footage.
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@@ISCDESIGNAustralia
Babi yar context.. thats the Name of the move lol
It any country leader is telling you to do that you better leave.
its a MOVIE; not real footage FYI
You are wrong. This is documentary footages.
@@Serpent-t7w no sorry. YOU are wrong. this is well known, liberally-scripted and staged movie footage. There are NO actual authentic movies; There are some photographs attributed. but this is certainly NOT real footage, sorry if that disappoints you.
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