Feurich 122 vs Yamaha U3H - surprising discovery! Roberts Pianos
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This is a comparison between two fine quality upright pianos that are similarly priced:
The Yamaha U3H is 8cm taller than the Feurich 122 but surprisingly the Feurich 122 has 2cm longer bass strings than the Yamaha U3 on average! There are many other design features on the Feurich that we believe make it a more desirable piano. Here are some of them in rough order of importance:
The touch is weighted more like a grand meaning that if you take your exams on a grand you won't be disadvantaged by the weight and feel as it is very similar.
The music desk is longer, thicker and made of wood which means that book holders can be fitted.
The Feurich has more leg room: 63.5cm compared with 62.5cm. This is important for tall people.
The action is wooden throughout with no plastic parts.
The pedal system and rods are wooden with no awkward guides and so the action slots in and out. without having to remove the rods.
The action bolts are metal and not plastic with washers as in the U3 which makes it awkward
The celeste lifts out without having to unscrew a wing nut.
The Feurich has traditional brass capstans, a one piece top which prevents accidental water spillage through the top onto the dampers and strings (something that quite frequently occurs).
The Feurich has a lid prop to allow extra volume as with a grand piano.
For these and other reasons, we can now firmly recommend the similarly priced Feurich 122 over the Yamaha U3H.
Music: "Sheep may safely graze" by JS Bach, adapted to try to show the tone in different registers.
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Feurich 122 sounds better and it is quite a suprise considering it is smaller than Yamaha. Impressive quality!
+chopin4525 Greetings from Oxford! Yes, very special tonal quality, especially for Chopin ;)
I preferred the Yamaha personally - I like the slightly brighter tone
This was the exact video I needed, in a position to buy a new piano and only having owned a U3 previously I was considering the Feurich as it looked great value. I've since tested both and gone for the 122. If I were in the UK I would have gone with your shop, bit being in Melbourne I've gone with Austral piano. Thanks again for the video was so helpful. Thanks!
Are you happy with it? I'm seriously contemplating the Feurich 122.. it sure feels and sounds beautiful, but all I've ever really known has been Yamahas
I recently bought a new Feurich and am very happy with it.
+Nanette Tredoux We are glad to hear that, a good choice!
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@@Themozartthug I still love it.
The age difference of the pianos matters here. Yamaha has made significant changes and refinements to the U1/U3 around 2002. And one of the things was to lengthen the bass strings. They've also changed the hammers. I can see that these are the former hammers Yamaha used on the U-series. The newer ones have underfelt and are softer. So Yamaha has addressed some of the shortcomings you've found on this instrument. The newer U-series also sound different than the older ones, in general. Though I must compliment you on the sound of this one, it's nicely voiced and balanced. This is an informative comparison nonetheless and the Fuerich looks very tidy within.
What is your impression of the Yamaha UX ?
@@jerrydavis1475 it’s very good!
thanks for the video!Partly due to your enthusiasm I bought a Feurich 122 silent this week. thanks again.
+Yoginder Rambocus We're happy to hear our advice was of use. Congratulations, enjoy your new piano! Evan Roberts
Feurich uprights from the 70ths are great in richness of tone. I you see one buy it !
We very much like older Feurich uprights. We sold one a few years ago to Jamie Cullum the popular jazz singer, he played it after a few minutes it was the only piano he'd have for his home use. Fine pianos
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Thank you Michael, my father Marcus travels to Holland every so often, it may be a good idea to email him (Marcus Roberts) at info@robertspianos.com, if you are close he might be able to stop by . Greetings from Roberts Pianos Oxford!
I just bought feurich 125 and i am very happy with it. It's cheaper than Yamaha U1 But sound better
Dear Keith, a great choice, thank you for sharing. Greetings from RP Oxford, Evan Roberts
I'm getting the Wendl & Lung 122 black upright piano. I heard that it's now called Faurich.
Yes sir, that's correct. The companies merged together. Good choice! Best wishes from Roberts Pianos Oxford, Evan Roberts
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excellent video....for potential purchasers we feel
Thank you Stuart. ER
Sheep may safely graze- goosebumps every time, I'm going for the feurich. Thank you
Glad to hear the video helped you clarify your personal choice. Best wishes from Oxford!
For me the Feurich sounds good at first but gets a harsher tone in the alto and a muddier bass and seems to change character in its different ranges. It's nice, but for balance, it's Yamaha, more consistent and I think refined in its tone.
Benjamin Smith I agree with your comment and prefer the tone of the Yamaha as recorded here...however it is possible the recording is to blame...hard to judge. For myself I prefer a solid unfluctuatuating “bell” like tone, not metallic...if I can hear something that reminds me the piano has metal strings I think we failed to get something right. How that sound is achieved I do not know but I own a 1895 W. Bell & Co piano manufactured in Guelph Ontario Canada that has that quality. I also own a Yamaha U3...but I find myself drawn to the older Bell piano as it can “sing” way better by comparison.
@@randymueller1036 Have you tried the Yamaha UX ? They are the best uprights ever made by Yamaha
@@jerrydavis1475 I would say YUS is their top range at the moment.
Yamaha sounds gorgeous and colourful to me. I much prefer the sonorities of the Yamaha vis à vis the Feurich in this particular case.
I like the construction of the Feurich but I prefer the midrange and upper sound of the Yamaha. The extreme bass on both pianos sounds dull and dead to me. This shows how complex the business of buying an upright really is. I bought a Weber W121 recently. It too has a nicely constructed wooden action like the Feurich, but the pedals are more like a Yamaha. Sounds great in the mid and treble but same issues with the low bass.
It is very difficult to find a piano with all the qualities at this size, it is rare in an upright piano most associated a rich bass with antique German pianos. Aging may play a role in the rich sound of antique German pianos such as Steinway and Steck, Lipp. Bechstein and others. Evan Roberts
Many thanks for your very informative videos. I just purchased a Yamaha reconditioned U1 from 1975 (wish I had known about the Feurich first). Hammers etc. changed, but strings probably not. I am finding some of the notes from C2 to D3 very harsh compared to their neighbours, which is very disappointing. Dampening one of the two strings for some of the notes yields a different sound between the two for the same note. These bass notes are also a little sharp in their tuning whereas the treble ones are about right. Any ideas on the reason for the harsh sound would be welcome. Thanks.
Hi, we are considering buying Feurich 122 instead of Yamaha B3 for our children. One is 15 and playing recorder on conservatorium, one is 12 and playing clarinet. So for both this will be a second instrument. The price is almost the same, but reading these reviews it seems, that Feurich is of much better quality, althaugh made in China and pimped up in Vienna…
Thanks for this video!
+SAVERIO SALERNO You're welcome, glad it was of use!
Love your videos ! !
Thank you very much James, seasons greetings and a happy new year to you from Roberts Pianos Oxford...Evan Roberts
The Yamaha is much older, has the design been modified in the newer ones? Yamaha hasn't done the upgrade/redesigns to their popular uprights that they've done to their popular mid-level grands. So, I wonder if that's in store. Feurich's are Vienna-based designs, they're very good pianos.
Yes the newer Yamahas are rather different from the older ones, and this is apparent with their U3 model. Newer U3's sound amazing, so rich and warm, compared to any time before. A much better comparison would be with a new U3 from 2010 or newer.
He hasn't compared a newer U3 because the newer U3s are 2 to 3 times more expensive. There wouldn't be a comparison then as they are in different price brackets. I think this comparison between a reconditioned U3 and Feurich is acceptable.
I see Feurich offer an optical silent system in UK. They claim that key dampers are just 1 to 2mm off the strings. Do you think this means the touch weight will not be degraded by the addition of their silent system? Thanks hugely for your videos.
Hi Emma, I have forwarded your question to the workshop team and hope I can give you an answer shortly. Thank you for your patience. Evan Roberts
Hello
At First , I would like to thank you a lot for your great videos,
I just wanna ask you where is the Feurichs' Country of origin ?
I think both of these pianos are made in China , and I think this feurich is different from "FEURICH Vienna" series,
And my second question is what is your choice between a Second hand Yamaha U3N (131 cm) and a New Feurich 122cm ?
Thanks Again 🙏
Hi there Sepehr, they are both well made pianos, from my best understanding is the U3N was made by Kemble pianos, UK. Which is now closed. From our experience, the Feurich Universal 122 is good for it's size. It is comparable to second hand Japanese Yamaha's. Japanese Yamahas being better than Yamaha's from other countries. I hope this helps. Feurich make some Feurich's in Germany under different branding, the part made in China, regulated in Europe Feurich's are made well in combination with Chinese, European craftsmanship. I hope this helps. This keeps the cost down. Greetings from Roberts Pianos, Oxford, Evan Roberts
Thank you very much for your help 🙏
I asked that because many pianists believe that secod hand pianos, After about 15 years, will be technically weak and sensitive and will need constant repair. So they recommend to buy a new piano (no matter where it's made) instead of a used old piano,
Do you agree with this idea as a piano technician ?
The low-bass "thump" at the very end of Sheep may safely Graze on the Yamaha at 6:51 sounds just like mine at home. The corresponding moment on the Feurich at 7:36 doesn't seem to do that, though his hands are just slightly not together on the last chord. After the thump, the Yamaha's decaying note sounds slightly metallic whilst the Feurich sounds more pleasingly "full". Needs to be listened to "live" as there's only so much that can be gleaned from videos. The differences in construction between the 2 pianos as described are clear and very interesting.
thanks for your video.
+david tiernan You're welcome!
Hi!
The music stand on the Feurich looks a lot like the one the Hoffmann V112 (the Bechstein off-shoot brand from czech republic)which I owned, before I returned it (no, I did not like it.. it was just a "box that made sounds", nothing more) and got a Yamaha U1 QPE instead. This "lip" on the V112 drove me crazy and it destroyed a lots of my sheet music because it tends to damage the paper when you have to flip pages :p
Oh and I will never ever buy a new piano again - the first weeks until you can get the first full re-regulation are atrocious.. bobbling hammers, let-off distance is just silly and the key dip also deteriorates quite quickly :)
I've gone through this torture TWO times in a row now and I've had enough, heh
However I have to say that the U1 / U3 have impressive tuning stability!!
+Lord Auriel Thank you for your interesting and challenging comments. Your experience with the new Hoffmann V112 is unfortunate. It is true that if a new or for that matter fully restored piano is not finished off properly it may sound uneven and give problems in the first year. The Feurich team however have great integrity and regulate and voice their pianos beautifully. On the odd occasion when one slips through the net, we let them know about it, and do the fine regulation and toning ourselves.
However you're the first person to mention a problem with the lip on the music stand. I will do some investigation about that. By the way, Feurich are a listening team and invariably respond to any comments we've made in the past, refining the piano accordingly.
Thank you again for your forthright comments! best wishes, Marcus
Hello Marcus. Lots of pianos in my house, but only one has a troublesome lip on the music desk, damaging music book page bottoms when turning pages; it's a 1902 Bechstein 7'2" grand. I'm was thinking of reducing the height of the lip which is about 7mm in height, but it occurs to me now that I think about it that building up the felt cushion behind the lip is probably the best solution. It'd be interesting to know if my Bechstein has an unusually high lip, because I know you have lots of experience with these. Now that the subject of piano lips has been mentioned, I checked all our pianos' lips (six grands and three uprights in the house), and sure enough, only this Bechstein has a troublesome one. I
The comparison between the Feurich and Yamaha was very interesting. I had a UI many years ago and didn't like the plastic in the action, and I still remember that the music desk wasn't nice. The two legs under the keyboard were also plastic. The touch was also too light. I was pleased to see that Feurich are still using wood. We're all aware that wood does not take kindly to large fluctuations or too high or low humidity, but it has stood the test of time and can be worked. Anyway, if the wood in a piano suffers from unsuitable conditions, felts and other parts will also deteriorate, so rather than use carbon fibre or plastic, rather control the humidity. Among our uprights is a Bechstein model 9 from 1901 (pins still holding well - but no central heating where I live!) and everyone who plays a few notes on it is amazed at the quality of tone compared to the new uprights they are used to (usually Yamaha). Keep on saving the old pianos! They're special!
Greetings from Kwa-Zulu Natal
P.s. I should have noted something obvious: that on an upright, the angle at which the music stands is set by the design, whereas on a grand, that angle can be adjusted to preference, so that if the lip is catching pages of the music book, the problem (even with the high lip I complained of on the old Bechstein) can be solved by setting the angle slightly back rather than in an almost upright position, the angle of the book thus allowing pages to clear the lip. Another point I should have thought of is that one sometimes places a second book and even a third book over one already open on the desk, reducing the clearance and exacerbating this page-turning problem. Amazing I didn't think of this before! Thanks to whoever mentioned this issue, I am now much wiser!
The Feurich sounds very better, it's clearer/less noisy and more pleasant to hear. Anyway remember it is a chinese piano and the assembly may not always be as perfect as Yamaha, which is famous for its reliability.
+Hans Brikkenbakken We've found that the Feurich have a very good production flow, they get their pianos finally checked in Europe before shipping to us. To the European produced ones from the Chinese factory are well checked over so quality maintains high! We very much like them
I completely agree: the Hailun production flow is very technologically advanced, the Feurich line is a good product, better than Yamaha if compared to the U or YUS series, but it's still not reliable as Yamaha is.
I live in Europe and I know that some Feurichs comes with production issues, nothing that couldn't be resolved, but I would consider it only at a lower price than a U series Yamaha.
I personally don't like this commercial policy of making so many series, when you buy a Yamaha you can choose between products with too distant quality levels. The U series is the most famous but many years ago I owned a U2 built in 1972 with a noisy unpleasant sound, I played it for many years but never liked it. Newer series (SU and SE) are a lot better, but expensive.
There are to many false German, Chinese brands, with near to zero quality around there, and here in Europe we all remember the old Feurich made in Lepizig, which was one of the best at all. This is why we see those China acquired brands with a lot of suspects.
Maybe there are some US products that can give you better quality and better sound like M&H.
Yes, SE and SU Yamahas are on a different level than the U-series. The P and B series are really more OK and entry-level. German brands are going with Chinese builds for the production pianos. In time, quality may be reliably good.
is the Feurich 122 the same spec as a Wendl & Lung 122? I bought a W&L in 2013 and was told they are similar.
yes, they are practically the same piano. Wendl & Lung teamed up with Feurich and made the same models under the 'Feurich' name. The same factory, the addition of Feurich input but pretty much the same piano. Greetings from Roberts Pianos Oxford, Evan Roberts
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It's not really possible to choose between on this TH-cam low fi and without trying each instrument. I wouldnt stress too much if your just buying an upright :-) just enjoy.
Thank you for your comment Ralph, very good to remember. We encourage all our clients to come and hear the piano in person. We prefer not to sell without the client being present. Greetings from all of us at Roberts Pianos Oxford, Evan Roberts
Love your videos. Only just realised your in 7oaks! I'm in mstone! Might give you a call to maintain my 6" :-)
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Thanks for your help; much appreciated. Just to clarify, I found forvo.com/word/feurich/ . and www.pronouncekiwi.com/Feurich . Which do you think is correct? Marcus
Any comparison between Feurich 115 an Yamaha U1? And any comment on Feurich 115?
Hi Curtis, Thank you for your comment and request. Marcus reads comments. I know that we prefer the 122 Universal model Feurich. However, we may end up custom ordering one on request.
Thanks Roberts. Since my home condition only Feurich 115 can be fitted. I would like to know if it is still good to in sounds, touch, materials, etc. compared with Yamaha U1. I know U1 is 121cm height but Feurich 115 only 115cm height which is not “apple to apple” but I would like to have your comments between them too and is it worth to buy F115. Thanks
Any updates?
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Do you mean feurich 115?
what the title of played on 6:29
Thank you for your question. The piece is called 'Sheep May Safely Graze' by J.S. Bach but has been slightly adapted to show the different sections of the piano.
Yamaha, Kawai and others are good when you are a beginner, but the smaller details are better on European pianos (but Asians are buying all European piano factories because european people buy japanese and chinese pianos)
I’m Asian so ..I will buy Yamaha piano
@@bongdem7810 Buy whatever you want. So according to your logic, not Asian should not buy asian instruments...
I was talking about firms, as Yamaha that are buying European FIRMS, not about people buying pianos.
@Tz_mzU1Yes, in some cases only part of the production is moved to Asia, but in other cases the factory in Europe is closed, only the name goes to Asia, where a big factory will produce pianos for many firms, and one of its products will have the new european name just bought
Its doesnt matter how better Feurich sounds, people will still prefer a Yamaha piano. I will never understand this fanaticism about it!
Thank you Marcos for your thoughts. It is difficult to convince people, however with time and exposure the internet is helping to give confidence to people that Feurich is a good alternative. The firm is Austrian, originally called "Wendl & Lung; they rebranded after a few years when Julius Feurich joined the team. With time and the right marketing, we believe things will change. Evan Roberts
Most will for sure.
But thanks to reviews like this, I looked into the Feurich 122 and have ordered one (with Silent function) just last week.
You can call it fanaticism, but choosing a piano is a very personal choice. And surely Yamaha is doing something right to have such an impressive clientele for the piano .
close, but the yamaha has the edge
Feurich was Wendl & Lung , then Feurich, but is build in China by Hailun !!!! all a false Advertising !!!!!!! Yamaha owns Bosendorfer , thats why it sounds and is BETTER !!
Feurich and Hailun are made in the Ningbo factory near Shanghai. It's one of the largest and best-equipped factories in China, and receives technical advice from the European technicians. Feurich now have a model 123 upright that is mostly made in Vienna. Yamaha recently bought Bosendorfer and are helping with their marketing strategy and learning from their production.
@@RobertsPianos I know. its not a Feurich , its a Hailun. no big deal , its good . but tell the people where its made !! honesty is the best marketer !
@@ANTONZANESCO Sorry, I understand your point now! Nowadays we usually do tell people it's made in China and will make sure we do so in future. Many thanks for the encouragement to do so.
U3 is a clunky clueless embarrassment. German pianos have been like that Feurich for a hundred years.
Charles Lang what are your thoughts on the YUS series?
@@FireFoxGaming56 My understanding is that it’s mainly just got different hammers, and brands tend not to vary all that much within their family character. If I were shopping for an Asian piano I would get a Weber, from the ones I’ve tried I get the impression the Koreans have been faithful to the great beauty of tone of that brand.
@@CharlesLangSamuel hmm, I see! I was curious to hear your opinion as I own a YUS3 myself and have been markedly impressed with the tonal palette. Bass is powerful and overall colour feels like a very welcome shift away from the overly ‘bright’ Yamaha sound I had come to fear! :)
@@CharlesLangSamuel you are right. It has German hammers and strings, but I do believe this has added much flavour to the tone.