9:05 is a great point. I've been starting with a basic tune and the tiller around -5mm, and experimenting with fine tuning the nock height with tiller adjustment. It's more precise than spinning the temporary nock point "nut" up and down. Get the nock height really close with the coarse adjustment of the tied on nut, and then the fine adjustment with the tiller. Only changes the tiller +/- 0.5mm or so but much more repeatable for nock height tuning!
I love your barebow content... great vid. Did a quick and dirty half tune recently to switch to outdoor arrows and stuck at even and definitely seeing this issue on more shots than I would like. Thanks for the reminder to dial this back in again! Will do this as soon as I switch to the black Precision Tiller Bolts 💪
On my Recurve 68 inch Bottom Tiller plus 19mm and the bow works perfect. I found out this Tiller after developing a special Tool . Measuring the tension on string.
thanks for the interesting video, the information may not be new but I like it when it is reminded, I like it when you show measurements in the metric system, it is easier to analyze, my brain mainly operates in meters, cm, mm. There is good sound in the film, the microphone picks up well. By the way, I already have your mug, two sweatshirts and two T-shirts. Greetings from the country above the Vistula
I always have to pay attention which bow you are holding when starting the videos. Once I see an ILF bow I know that the video will be 50/50 for me since I am shooting a trad bow. However when you are holding that trad longbow I know 100% I'll learn something ...
Well, have been struggling with ending always low at full draw at 50mt since 2 months now and struggling a lot to move up the bow arm while keeping the shoulder down. Will be trying this later at the range.
@@JakeKaminskiArchery So did some testing but didn't dig into it a lot. I am 6'4" and I am shooting with a 72" barebow (27 inch riser, 70" limbs) . I changed my limbs last week to higher poundage. They nominally are 30 pounds, at my draw lenght they develop 35 pounds with the screws almost completely turned out. I found some benefits in dischaarging the lower limb, but my arrrows were going lower than expected. I suspect I have to charge both limbs a couple of turn the discharge gradually the lower one. Since I have a comkpetion on Saturday, I reverted to tiller zero, but will do more testing for sure. Greetings from Italy!
I would place a piece of plain cardboard on the center of the target mat (or target bag), or a horizontal line of blue masking tape. All you need is a horizontal line and as you are anchored you will notice your arrow point either dipping down, staying level or pulling up, then as you expand into the shot you'll notice even more of that. If you're fighting to keep it level to the horizontal line this is where you would work on the adjustments mentioned in the video. A target face is not needed. If you make the proper adjustments to the horizontal line of the cardboard and or masking tape and things stay level with less effort, I would say that is the end goal. If you now put a target face on at same height (standing at same distance from the target face) as where the horizontal line was, and have trouble holding on target, it could be target panic. There are several methods to working through target panic. I personally love to blank bale, and just switch up the things I shoot at to just have fun and not do things for "points". Maybe like "pin the tail on the donkey", shoot some balloons, some paper or plastic cups pinned onto the target mat. And other games where scattering shots is part of the game like bingo, or any of the morrell "golf" or "baseball" target face, etc. maybe shoot some 3d targets without thinking about scoring rings.
Hey Jake, this is León, long time fan and learner from your videos. I was wondering if there is a way to know my archer skill level. Like Platinum, silver, diamonds in video games. Etc. if there is a standard way to measure how “good or bad” I am and how I compare to other people. Thank you!
Not related to this at all Jake but Mybo literally just dropped their new target recurve riser, I was wondering if you could get your hands on one for us to let us know what you think?😀
I understand the situation with string crawl and uneven tiller. ( well I know the basics). If you are shooting at 50 maters with no crawl, the tiller should likely come close to even???
Just 2x the effort. I’m not worried about my tune at this point and the amount of weight I lowered it is probably less than most people see on their draw length variance from shot to shot.
Keep it simple getting too many dodads that should not be on the bow, what's next carbon fiber titanium, oops happened already! Howard Hill didn't have anything that technical. No weights. Fred Bear also a dead shot both men over 40 lbs, simply aim and shoot. Bear also a snap shooter. My Dad, match winning archer, bear kodiac 67lbs 200-250 ft in the yellow inner. I also shoot a 45lb bear grizzly copy. It's supposed to be simple!
It has been a while since you have content on barebow... Thank you. I primarily shoot barebow and been learning from your excellent series
9:05 is a great point. I've been starting with a basic tune and the tiller around -5mm, and experimenting with fine tuning the nock height with tiller adjustment. It's more precise than spinning the temporary nock point "nut" up and down. Get the nock height really close with the coarse adjustment of the tied on nut, and then the fine adjustment with the tiller. Only changes the tiller +/- 0.5mm or so but much more repeatable for nock height tuning!
I love your barebow content... great vid. Did a quick and dirty half tune recently to switch to outdoor arrows and stuck at even and definitely seeing this issue on more shots than I would like. Thanks for the reminder to dial this back in again! Will do this as soon as I switch to the black Precision Tiller Bolts 💪
It’s easy to forget simple things for sure!
On my Recurve 68 inch Bottom Tiller plus 19mm and the bow works perfect. I found out this Tiller after developing a special Tool . Measuring the tension on string.
Thanks Jake. Always love your videos and the help I get from you. How about that mixed archery team? WooHoo big congrats to Brady & Casey. 🎉🎉
Great video and content. Very simple and relevant
Great content... I was already doing this, but your explanation helps break down why.
thanks for the interesting video, the information may not be new but I like it when it is reminded, I like it when you show measurements in the metric system, it is easier to analyze, my brain mainly operates in meters, cm, mm. There is good sound in the film, the microphone picks up well. By the way, I already have your mug, two sweatshirts and two T-shirts.
Greetings from the country above the Vistula
I always have to pay attention which bow you are holding when starting the videos. Once I see an ILF bow I know that the video will be 50/50 for me since I am shooting a trad bow. However when you are holding that trad longbow I know 100% I'll learn something ...
Great video
Thanks.
As an older archer I must say I sometimes am having problems with keeping it up :(
Wocka wocka!
:D
Well, have been struggling with ending always low at full draw at 50mt since 2 months now and struggling a lot to move up the bow arm while keeping the shoulder down. Will be trying this later at the range.
Come back and post here your findings. Bet you’d be surprised.
@@JakeKaminskiArchery So did some testing but didn't dig into it a lot. I am 6'4" and I am shooting with a 72" barebow (27 inch riser, 70" limbs) . I changed my limbs last week to higher poundage. They nominally are 30 pounds, at my draw lenght they develop 35 pounds with the screws almost completely turned out. I found some benefits in dischaarging the lower limb, but my arrrows were going lower than expected. I suspect I have to charge both limbs a couple of turn the discharge gradually the lower one. Since I have a comkpetion on Saturday, I reverted to tiller zero, but will do more testing for sure. Greetings from Italy!
Interesting! How would you determine whether an archer is dealing with target panic and not tiller/limb loading issues?
I would place a piece of plain cardboard on the center of the target mat (or target bag), or a horizontal line of blue masking tape. All you need is a horizontal line and as you are anchored you will notice your arrow point either dipping down, staying level or pulling up, then as you expand into the shot you'll notice even more of that. If you're fighting to keep it level to the horizontal line this is where you would work on the adjustments mentioned in the video. A target face is not needed. If you make the proper adjustments to the horizontal line of the cardboard and or masking tape and things stay level with less effort, I would say that is the end goal. If you now put a target face on at same height (standing at same distance from the target face) as where the horizontal line was, and have trouble holding on target, it could be target panic. There are several methods to working through target panic. I personally love to blank bale, and just switch up the things I shoot at to just have fun and not do things for "points". Maybe like "pin the tail on the donkey", shoot some balloons, some paper or plastic cups pinned onto the target mat. And other games where scattering shots is part of the game like bingo, or any of the morrell "golf" or "baseball" target face, etc. maybe shoot some 3d targets without thinking about scoring rings.
Hey Jake, this is León, long time fan and learner from your videos. I was wondering if there is a way to know my archer skill level. Like Platinum, silver, diamonds in video games. Etc. if there is a standard way to measure how “good or bad” I am and how I compare to other people. Thank you!
When will we see you on a Lancaster competition?
Not related to this at all Jake but Mybo literally just dropped their new target recurve riser, I was wondering if you could get your hands on one for us to let us know what you think?😀
Nice bow. Is this your current favorite barebow set up?
Also applicable to stick-bow shooters in my opinion.
I understand the situation with string crawl and uneven tiller. ( well I know the basics). If you are shooting at 50 maters with no crawl, the tiller should likely come close to even???
Cool vid, what's that adjustment you make every time you nock an arrow?
So I have a question for ya. Does this work for compound also and is there a principal for that?
Locking under my target while aiming but its target panic. I’m struggling big time and I know it’s 100% mental. Any ideas?
If you are just adjusting one tiller bolt, aren't you changing the draw weight? Why not change both bolts in opposite directions?
Just 2x the effort. I’m not worried about my tune at this point and the amount of weight I lowered it is probably less than most people see on their draw length variance from shot to shot.
Great video.
Is the damping system in the riser allowed for competition?
Yes
@@JakeKaminskiArcheryLook a tad "long".. passed the 12.2cm ring test?
The barebow weight here I am using passes by a couple of CM actually
Would this still apply if I am not string walking but still using 3 under?
So how does bigger tiller on the bottom affect the arrow flight? Does it hit higher or lower?
How can I over come target panic in compound bow
I thought the tiller shouldn’t be adjusted when bow is strung🤔
You need to show us the target after ! This always annoys me
I almost always do. I was using my two cameras for the two views on the form
Do you need to change the nock point too?
Yes, as he explained it, redo the whole tune Process
Does this work on full recurve as well?
For recurve, watch this: Archery Stabilizer Setup | Hold as Still as the Pros!
th-cam.com/video/SGCJDYW44Uo/w-d-xo.html
Barebow!
Keep it simple getting too many dodads that should not be on the bow, what's next carbon fiber titanium, oops happened already!
Howard Hill didn't have anything that technical. No weights. Fred Bear also a dead shot both men over 40 lbs, simply aim and shoot. Bear also a snap shooter.
My Dad, match winning archer, bear kodiac 67lbs 200-250 ft in the yellow inner. I also shoot a 45lb bear grizzly copy. It's supposed to be simple!
I’ve got trad bows too.
Weird hill to die on, dude. Barebow is its own, unique class of shooting.