John as you know, so many of us have similar beginnings and crisis. You are not alone. The work you’re doing is or can benefit millions. If not the globe.
Love you Heirs John and Rick! Without shame but with boldness! Thy Friend remembering ye once born, to crawling, to walking, and till now thy feet resting upon the NEW very tip of time. Mileage from thy feet is recognized! If sincere tears is evident. Even Thy strongest Heirs will Wiped! Together! What is a conversations without another? For Thee!
I love Pierre Grimes! Cant wait for the next episode! It is incredible that he still is able to participate in philosophical discussion at his age, what an inspiration.
Thank you and Gratitude and Honor unto thee both my Heirs John and Rick! For attending unto our OWN! And Thy visitation to comfort the COMFORTER! LOVE YOU TOO!
hello the "call for wisdom"made me weep. Both of you and all the others, the way your are constructing that temple is exemplary ! and open to every one! This is what is needed in these times as discourse. A reaching hand,and confirmation, for those who started 40 years ago and guidance for the younger generation to go on! and open up! without fear! thanks whit love.
Thank you thank you thank you. I am so excited to watch this new series. Meditation has been my personal practice as well as my life's work for the last 20 years. I added contemplation to my practices a few years back after exploring the work of Richard Rudd. He would be a fascinating person to explore in this series. I have never explored the philosophy of these practices. I have only explored the actual practices as many as I could find. So this is going to be an amazing exploration for me. I have always believed there is a substantial difference between meditation and contemplation in the actual practice--in my mind one is an active practice and the other is a surrendering and letting go. But I do believe at the summit of each practice you arrive at the same field. At least that has been my experience with them. Looking forward to this exploration.
44:09 - thank you so much gentlemen for this, as anticipated, deep and rich conversation. Very interested in John’s talk around correcting the western definition of Chi. You mentioned a talk that you were going to link into the Notes at this point in the conversation. I did not see that link. Is that available? I’d really love to hear his perspective on that, as a Gung Fu practitioner and deep admirer of John‘s work and perspective. Thank you so much again 🙏
Sir could you ask Mattias Desmet for a conversation? He is a prof of clinical psychology at the uni of Ghent and author of the book the psychology of totalitarianism. Very truthfull speaking person!
I like where this series is going. I fondly remember meditation and yoga sessions in team building and motivational exercises. It didn't actually carry over into a personal interest or the home environment though. Maybe it's because the sessions were missing deeper aspects of philosophy. Something no-one has "time" or skill to cultivate at work, let alone mull over with a challenging team-member. I spose there is no magic embody stick to wave circles around the most stubborn members? Thanks John and Rick! It goes against my natural ability to slow down and understand the flight mechanism evolution had put inside my gene. But I will try and learn from this field of science 🤭. Why should I use my time on learning from this series? Because controlling chaos in self from the information retrieved in the environment means progress can be made better when old paradigms no longer serve a purpose. I mean "made better" because we understand how the energy moves between objects or subjects and is carried through the correct processes to update my own developmental stages.
Love this series already! I’m already anticipating how much wiser I’ll feel by the end of it! 😅 I’d add another question: Is philosophy a form of meditation? The way I interpreted Rick’s question was as if to compare two endeavors one might undertake (including the embodied, ie., phenomenological, experience of each): what’s it like to “do philosophy” vs. what’s it like to “do meditation”? For me, perhaps the biggest discovery since finding John’s channel is that this thing I’d never thought worthy of investigation in my life - “philosophy” - has turned out to be the gateway to a whole new level of “embodiment” work. When Rick asked about a meta-term for meditation and contemplation, what came to mind is that both forms could (arguably) be thought of as “doing philosophy” - an embodied philosophy - in a peculiar way: in stillness and on a much slower time scale. That “slower” could be called slower if the tempo is measured in words per minute. Maybe there is a whole continuum from “slowest” to “fastest” (words per minute) and also “quietest to loudest” versions of “doing philosophy”: - Meditation (we, at least, aspire to “no words”) - Contemplation (very few words, eg, a repeating mantra or contemplating the words of a sage) - Reading a book of philosophy (lots of words, but still silent and still much slower than the spoken word…with sometimes wordless pauses when the text provokes aporia) - Spoken dialectic with an interlocutor (also lots of words!) Many more practices could be placed in different parts of that list…even music-making and listening/dancing - which also points to the poles of movement and stillness. For me, meditation and philosophy are both forms of embodiment practice. I think the first of those two is obvious, but how is philosophy an embodiment practice? John has taught me that cultivating wisdom is about BS’ing yourself less so that you can have a better go at interacting with reality - and I always feel clearer in my body when I get an insight that reduces the amount that I seem to be BS’ing myself. It’s funny, but sometimes getting more propositional clarity creates more participatory ease in the body because one stops banging one’s head against a wall so to speak. …when I realize that she is not angry, but sad, I will co-regulate with her differently, thus changing the musicality of my embodiment to (hopefully) come into more right relationship with her (ie, reality, agent/arena). Listening to you two helps me feel into a through line forming a vast continuum between all those practices where meditation and contemplation are very close neighbors. A key dividing line between meditation and contemplation that makes them NOT the same, as I understand from John, is looking inward vs. looking outward. One might compare two neighbors in the “many words per minute” neighborhood with the same inner/outer delineation, eg. reading/thinking silently vs. dialoguing/thinking out loud. If “doing philosophy” looks like reading books, think and talking and meditation seems like not doing any of those things, from another point of view - with tongue in cheek - to me, meditation is kind of like slo-mo philosophy and philosophy is kind of like sped-up meditation. A final bridge I see through two more thinkers introduced to me by John , Vivian Dittmar and Werner Stegmaier: Dittmar seems to have mapped an extremely practical “emotional compass” showing how key emotions relate to different interpretations - and in turn lead to different motivations for action: “this is wrong” goes with anger which makes me want to take action while “this is unfortunate”leads to sadness and the need to come to accept how things are. Getting the “right” emotion for this moment therefore relates to orientation. Werner Stegmaier show how the degree of one’s success in orientation is registered in the body on a continuum between anxiety and calm, ie., a question of self-regulation - which John underlined as being essential benefits of meditation and contemplation. If knowing what to do right now (orientation) in this situation is based on my interpretation of present moment reality drawn from a combination of embodied feeling and propositional understanding, perhaps mediated by emotion - also embodied as sensation, which is also a huge piece of the experience of quiet sitting practices - I feel like you can kind of see the 4Ps of knowing all pointing to each other through this continuum too, sometimes more sensation/less words, sometimes the other way around. Anyways…this really got me thinking! 😜
Well said! Remember knowing ye are talking too? Unseen nor seen! What is spirituality? Remember spiritual TEETH is required given from Who? To chew on spiritual meats can be kept nor not necessary! Spit out! Likewise many gets lost! Reason for the Visitations! To visit many are lost is spiritual realms. Many exalting themselves above WHO? Likewise these principalities knows WHO is to come to visit! Who is that? Angels who persevere and Heirs Hosts will say, The little Child "i" sitting with the AM. To visit all the AM( FATHER)! Heirs Hosts will say if HE COMES UNTO THEE WILL YE RECOGNIZE! THY CHILD "i"? For many have made God of the Living unapproachable! A FRIEND kind of love. A FRIEND! Some will say who are you? Remember all thy lives was DESIRED 1ST! Shared HIS I AM and conversations given just for thee! Cherish. Students what is Competitions nor against one another? Eventually WILL NEED THY REST! Required Rest FILLED and resting while moving forward with delight. Indeed. Therefore Rest will wait right Here.
I was introduced to Pierre Grimes thinking on these topics though New Thinking Allowed with a Jeffrey Mishlove. He has been participating in a sage wizard elder agent to arena relationship for a long time!
Hello John, I think for this series it would make perfect sense to invite Charlie Awbery, the founder of Evolving Ground. I think that has the potential for tremendous dialogos
A spinning top makes for a wonderful analogy I think, where the supermassive black hole at the center of our galaxy is the surface that the top glides upon, all the suns are the top spinning which has wobble as a system. In our solar system, the Sun is the One that the planets are gliding upon, our planet has more wobble as life and if that disappears then no problem, the gliding on the One is there and the planet still spins. Note the topology shift from black hole shell to galaxy tube. On our planet there is this shift also, where the skin or shell of life becomes the GI tract. In effect each person is a spinning part of their top, gliding on the surface of the One on different levels of intelligence affordance. The interesting part is the object at the interface between the system and the One. Is it a circle that sequesters complexity, a triangle which digs in, or a dedocahedron that allows complexity?
I was interested to hear John mention his practice of Taiji & Vipassana. I would point out that Vipassana is not practiced in China, they rendered Indian dhyana practice through their own Classical thinking imparting a unique approach. Vipassana is far more analytic and developmental ie Indian in it’s view. A case in point would be the understanding of mindfulness, which has its Sanskrit root in memory, Gurdieff translated it as ‘self-remembering’ which is useful in the practice of meditation when the mind wanders. Chinese scholars transcribed this into their own cultural framework as Now This, Now That, allowing the Whole to be first Principle-Now-as is proper and then inclusive of the YinYang differentiations of the world as this and that. It is a far more nuanced and suggestive presentation as is common in Chinese language, whose basis rests on pictograms, the images speak a thousand words and engage dimensions of Mind, levels of Life simultaneously. The Chinese mind never leaves the Whole, can the mind see the immensity of This.
As for Dr. Vervaeke's criticism of "McMindfulness," it seems to me that perhaps we should make an important distinction in our approach to meditation and the philosophy of meditation. The first is what you are doing here, using the analytic mind to have a discussion about the philosophy of meditation, mindfulness, contemplation etc. But the other approach to the matter of meditation is the recognition that people are SUFFERING and that a rather simple mindfulness practice can alleviate their suffering by teaching them how to stop using their own minds as a razor to constantly cut themselves. The former is great for us academic eggheads who have perhaps learned not to destroy ourselves with our own minds and who have enough bearing and scope on the human condition to be concerned with such matters as the cultivation of virtue and wisdom. The latter is probably fitting for the average person who is slowly dying from the inside out and needs help.
I would also add to your practices a profound whole person analysis and letting go especially Jungian or Transpersonal . This process does aid the different kinds of knowing
Eastern philosophies have similar features emphasizing one's virtue cultivation, autonomy is that way working in the areas. Kunja for example, they are nearly noble at societal status, Confucius taught their students with the mindset Kunja had to have. Buddha also emphasize "self-awareness" for certain truth of life, minds make things around us. Though the latter is sometimes self-restraintly use by even buddhist people and former is to emphasize higher social status's right only, meditation is what we need to maintain even just by attitude. I don't follow all of this, but it is meaningful time when I ponder up these things. I am honestly doing all of these teachings, and even meditation without virtue cultivation, meditation with virtue cultivation, both ways it is helpful to align thinking more without troublesome, like Christians are so when they pray for God. Without cultivation I mean meditation for concentrative mode change, not harming to the core of its teachings. I am not sure I catched up the main ideas of this video the two pros talked, I think thought-provoking time is given for me this time too ^^ Thank you for making amazing video! Please note that Confucius taught both higher social status and relatively lower status need to be harmonized, every ideas are rectified by interpretative nature, I think Eastern philosophy is what we can be clearer about this original ideas are really helpful for people who would like to be socialized and be friendly ^^ I have to keep this in my mind too ^^
I have reposted the reply above, because previous reply than the reply above has too-oversimplified expression when I put it to English language, the 2nd paragraph ^^ I have repost it to improve what I invoked when I watch this video, please refer this when someone has seen my previous reply deleted.
Definitely Sapiaentil or noetic as James says yiu return with . For me Love is the meaning , there is no death. The pure consciousness event can come thru reading any mystics as Simone Weil says not knowing anything about mysticism can be more helpful . There is a Tonas as you like to say between effort and non Effort. Expressed by Kierkegaard in the Mysticism of Elliot , Campbell and Jung
01:08:00 Did you call it MacMindfulness? 😅 Funny coincidence, because the "Mac" actually indicates the "son of". So it's that's pretty much accurate as long as the (derivative) son took the lessons of his father in a too literal (idolatrous) fashion.
I have tried many forms of practice traditional, science-based and after writing a paper years ago on McMindfulness I finally rested with The Forest Tradition of Ajahn Chah. Why? There is just something magical about people conserving Vinaya but letting go of certain rules to accommodate a now Western diaspora. Plus they do not have strict rules when it comes to how one practices, for some personality's would like a more academic approach by reading Suttas etc, whilst others just want to practice. My teacher for many years quit his University job in early AI to become a monk. He is now a rock star (not really but monks do have prestige like a Bishop) being the second white person to ordain in Thailand under Ajahn Maha Bua (Ajahn Martin). Why did he leave AI? "It has no heart".
Well, you are interested in listening to a professor who has a wealth of knowledge from famous people, so yes. Must be doing something right if more than a million people want to come to your funeral (Ajahn Chah).@@xmathmanx
Adjectival qualia are objective movements or duration, for example, physics perceive redness as oscillations happening so many times per second. Consciousness condenses duration into a moment and we perceive this dynamic movement as redness. In regards to the pure consciousness event, with consciousness having the major function of reification for the sake of action, it would make sense to me if all that is left is the “this” and “that” or hereness and nowness. These would be “signifiers” in the broadest sense, signifiers of objective movement or process. This is more of Whitehead’s ideas and process philosophy
I look at everything, consolidate the best of it and move on. A proper library is not one where you read every book, that's impossible. It is one which gives you what you need when you need it.
John as you know, so many of us have similar beginnings and crisis. You are not alone. The work you’re doing is or can benefit millions. If not the globe.
Love you Heirs John and Rick! Without shame but with boldness! Thy Friend remembering ye once born, to crawling, to walking, and till now thy feet resting upon the NEW very tip of time. Mileage from thy feet is recognized! If sincere tears is evident. Even Thy strongest Heirs will Wiped! Together! What is a conversations without another? For Thee!
I love Pierre Grimes! Cant wait for the next episode! It is incredible that he still is able to participate in philosophical discussion at his age, what an inspiration.
🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼🤯❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️
I’m so excited for Pierre Grimes!!!!!!!!! SO excited!
Yeees!!!
Thank you and Gratitude and Honor unto thee both my Heirs John and Rick! For attending unto our OWN! And Thy visitation to comfort the COMFORTER! LOVE YOU TOO!
hello the "call for wisdom"made me weep. Both of you and all the others, the way your are constructing that temple is exemplary ! and open to every one! This is what is needed in these times as discourse. A reaching hand,and confirmation, for those who started 40 years ago and guidance for the younger generation to go on! and open up! without fear! thanks whit love.
This series is EXCELLENT news for those of us who find the handbook a little out of practical reach. THANK YOU!
i get experiences of the mystical while walking in nature. thank you for bringing up the differences.
I liked the notion of 'Christian Feathers'
Thank you thank you thank you. I am so excited to watch this new series. Meditation has been my personal practice as well as my life's work for the last 20 years. I added contemplation to my practices a few years back after exploring the work of Richard Rudd. He would be a fascinating person to explore in this series. I have never explored the philosophy of these practices. I have only explored the actual practices as many as I could find. So this is going to be an amazing exploration for me. I have always believed there is a substantial difference between meditation and contemplation in the actual practice--in my mind one is an active practice and the other is a surrendering and letting go. But I do believe at the summit of each practice you arrive at the same field. At least that has been my experience with them. Looking forward to this exploration.
44:09 - thank you so much gentlemen for this, as anticipated, deep and rich conversation.
Very interested in John’s talk around correcting the western definition of Chi. You mentioned a talk that you were going to link into the Notes at this point in the conversation. I did not see that link. Is that available? I’d really love to hear his perspective on that, as a Gung Fu practitioner and deep admirer of John‘s work and perspective.
Thank you so much again 🙏
I am pleased to see these folks catching up with the sort of ideas offered in Ken Wilber's Integral Philosophy as outlined 30+ years ago.
Wilber's jargon is complicated.
These ideas to back thousands of years, any claim to being the,originator would be so silly
And then why make ideas claims or appropriation so salient, that's missing the point.
yes yes yes yes yes perfect subject!!
Sir could you ask Mattias Desmet for a conversation? He is a prof of clinical psychology at the uni of Ghent and author of the book the psychology of totalitarianism. Very truthfull speaking person!
I like where this series is going. I fondly remember meditation and yoga sessions in team building and motivational exercises. It didn't actually carry over into a personal interest or the home environment though. Maybe it's because the sessions were missing deeper aspects of philosophy. Something no-one has "time" or skill to cultivate at work, let alone mull over with a challenging team-member. I spose there is no magic embody stick to wave circles around the most stubborn members? Thanks John and Rick! It goes against my natural ability to slow down and understand the flight mechanism evolution had put inside my gene. But I will try and learn from this field of science 🤭.
Why should I use my time on learning from this series? Because controlling chaos in self from the information retrieved in the environment means progress can be made better when old paradigms no longer serve a purpose. I mean "made better" because we understand how the energy moves between objects or subjects and is carried through the correct processes to update my own developmental stages.
Love this series already!
I’m already anticipating how much wiser I’ll feel by the end of it! 😅
I’d add another question: Is philosophy a form of meditation?
The way I interpreted Rick’s question was as if to compare two endeavors one might undertake (including the embodied, ie., phenomenological, experience of each):
what’s it like to “do philosophy” vs. what’s it like to “do meditation”?
For me, perhaps the biggest discovery since finding John’s channel is that this thing I’d never thought worthy of investigation in my life - “philosophy” - has turned out to be the gateway to a whole new level of “embodiment” work.
When Rick asked about a meta-term for meditation and contemplation, what came to mind is that both forms could (arguably) be thought of as “doing philosophy” - an embodied philosophy - in a peculiar way: in stillness and on a much slower time scale.
That “slower” could be called slower if the tempo is measured in words per minute.
Maybe there is a whole continuum from “slowest” to “fastest” (words per minute) and also “quietest to loudest” versions of “doing philosophy”:
- Meditation (we, at least, aspire to “no words”)
- Contemplation (very few words, eg, a repeating mantra or contemplating the words of a sage)
- Reading a book of philosophy (lots of words, but still silent and still much slower than the spoken word…with sometimes wordless pauses when the text provokes aporia)
- Spoken dialectic with an interlocutor (also lots of words!)
Many more practices could be placed in different parts of that list…even music-making and listening/dancing - which also points to the poles of movement and stillness.
For me, meditation and philosophy are both forms of embodiment practice. I think the first of those two is obvious, but how is philosophy an embodiment practice?
John has taught me that cultivating wisdom is about BS’ing yourself less so that you can have a better go at interacting with reality - and I always feel clearer in my body when I get an insight that reduces the amount that I seem to be BS’ing myself.
It’s funny, but sometimes getting more propositional clarity creates more participatory ease in the body because one stops banging one’s head against a wall so to speak.
…when I realize that she is not angry, but sad, I will co-regulate with her differently, thus changing the musicality of my embodiment to (hopefully) come into more right relationship with her (ie, reality, agent/arena).
Listening to you two helps me feel into a through line forming a vast continuum between all those practices where meditation and contemplation are very close neighbors.
A key dividing line between meditation and contemplation that makes them NOT the same, as I understand from John, is looking inward vs. looking outward.
One might compare two neighbors in the “many words per minute” neighborhood with the same inner/outer delineation, eg. reading/thinking silently vs. dialoguing/thinking out loud.
If “doing philosophy” looks like reading books, think and talking and meditation seems like not doing any of those things, from another point of view - with tongue in cheek - to me, meditation is kind of like slo-mo philosophy and philosophy is kind of like sped-up meditation.
A final bridge I see through two more thinkers introduced to me by John , Vivian Dittmar and Werner Stegmaier:
Dittmar seems to have mapped an extremely practical “emotional compass” showing how key emotions relate to different interpretations - and in turn lead to different motivations for action: “this is wrong” goes with anger which makes me want to take action while “this is unfortunate”leads to sadness and the need to come to accept how things are.
Getting the “right” emotion for this moment therefore relates to orientation.
Werner Stegmaier show how the degree of one’s success in orientation is registered in the body on a continuum between anxiety and calm, ie., a question of self-regulation - which John underlined as being essential benefits of meditation and contemplation.
If knowing what to do right now (orientation) in this situation is based on my interpretation of present moment reality drawn from a combination of embodied feeling and propositional understanding, perhaps mediated by emotion - also embodied as sensation, which is also a huge piece of the experience of quiet sitting practices - I feel like you can kind of see the 4Ps of knowing all pointing to each other through this continuum too, sometimes more sensation/less words, sometimes the other way around.
Anyways…this really got me thinking! 😜
Well said! Remember knowing ye are talking too? Unseen nor seen! What is spirituality? Remember spiritual TEETH is required given from Who? To chew on spiritual meats can be kept nor not necessary! Spit out! Likewise many gets lost! Reason for the Visitations! To visit many are lost is spiritual realms. Many exalting themselves above WHO? Likewise these principalities knows WHO is to come to visit! Who is that? Angels who persevere and Heirs Hosts will say, The little Child "i" sitting with the AM. To visit all the AM( FATHER)! Heirs Hosts will say if HE COMES UNTO THEE WILL YE RECOGNIZE! THY CHILD "i"? For many have made God of the Living unapproachable! A FRIEND kind of love. A FRIEND! Some will say who are you? Remember all thy lives was DESIRED 1ST! Shared HIS I AM and conversations given just for thee! Cherish. Students what is Competitions nor against one another? Eventually WILL NEED THY REST! Required Rest FILLED and resting while moving forward with delight. Indeed. Therefore Rest will wait right Here.
I was introduced to Pierre Grimes thinking on these topics though New Thinking Allowed with a Jeffrey Mishlove. He has been participating in a sage wizard elder agent to arena relationship for a long time!
Truth is a woman, and she loves only a warrior
Hello John, I think for this series it would make perfect sense to invite Charlie Awbery, the founder of Evolving Ground. I think that has the potential for tremendous dialogos
Get B. Alan Wallace on your show as well .
Yes love him
In a sense is the 'Love of Wisdom' is a portal Into the embodiment of 'Wisdom of Love' JV could you connect/ expand of the dialectic?
Wow! Pierre Grimes !?!?!? Can’t wait!!
Do you consider meditation, given it can be practiced, as a virtue?
A spinning top makes for a wonderful analogy I think, where the supermassive black hole at the center of our galaxy is the surface that the top glides upon, all the suns are the top spinning which has wobble as a system. In our solar system, the Sun is the One that the planets are gliding upon, our planet has more wobble as life and if that disappears then no problem, the gliding on the One is there and the planet still spins. Note the topology shift from black hole shell to galaxy tube.
On our planet there is this shift also, where the skin or shell of life becomes the GI tract. In effect each person is a spinning part of their top, gliding on the surface of the One on different levels of intelligence affordance.
The interesting part is the object at the interface between the system and the One. Is it a circle that sequesters complexity, a triangle which digs in, or a dedocahedron that allows complexity?
I was interested to hear John mention his practice of Taiji & Vipassana. I would point out that Vipassana is not practiced in China, they rendered Indian dhyana practice through their own Classical thinking imparting a unique approach. Vipassana is far more analytic and developmental ie Indian in it’s view. A case in point would be the understanding of mindfulness, which has its Sanskrit root in memory, Gurdieff translated it as ‘self-remembering’ which is useful in the practice of meditation when the mind wanders. Chinese scholars transcribed this into their own cultural framework as Now This, Now That, allowing the Whole to be first Principle-Now-as is proper and then inclusive of the YinYang differentiations of the world as this and that. It is a far more nuanced and suggestive presentation as is common in Chinese language, whose basis rests on pictograms, the images speak a thousand words and engage dimensions of Mind, levels of Life simultaneously.
The Chinese mind never leaves the Whole, can the mind see the immensity of This.
I think Alan Wallace, Thubten Jinpa and Jay Garfield would be amazing guests for this
Pierre grimes!??! Oh my gosh I can’t wait
What is a Man that God of the Living so mindful of Him? Remember like Thee all! Remember likewise unto one another!
As for Dr. Vervaeke's criticism of "McMindfulness," it seems to me that perhaps we should make an important distinction in our approach to meditation and the philosophy of meditation. The first is what you are doing here, using the analytic mind to have a discussion about the philosophy of meditation, mindfulness, contemplation etc. But the other approach to the matter of meditation is the recognition that people are SUFFERING and that a rather simple mindfulness practice can alleviate their suffering by teaching them how to stop using their own minds as a razor to constantly cut themselves. The former is great for us academic eggheads who have perhaps learned not to destroy ourselves with our own minds and who have enough bearing and scope on the human condition to be concerned with such matters as the cultivation of virtue and wisdom. The latter is probably fitting for the average person who is slowly dying from the inside out and needs help.
Of course this was going to happen, how could it not. Dao🙏
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Is a desire to be seen as meditative and the desire to be seen in jewelry a similar mindset?
I would also add to your practices a profound whole person analysis and letting go especially Jungian or Transpersonal . This process does aid the different kinds of knowing
Eastern philosophies have similar features emphasizing one's virtue cultivation, autonomy is that way working in the areas. Kunja for example, they are nearly noble at societal status, Confucius taught their students with the mindset Kunja had to have. Buddha also emphasize "self-awareness" for certain truth of life, minds make things around us. Though the latter is sometimes self-restraintly use by even buddhist people and former is to emphasize higher social status's right only, meditation is what we need to maintain even just by attitude. I don't follow all of this, but it is meaningful time when I ponder up these things.
I am honestly doing all of these teachings, and even meditation without virtue cultivation, meditation with virtue cultivation, both ways it is helpful to align thinking more without troublesome, like Christians are so when they pray for God. Without cultivation I mean meditation for concentrative mode change, not harming to the core of its teachings.
I am not sure I catched up the main ideas of this video the two pros talked, I think thought-provoking time is given for me this time too ^^ Thank you for making amazing video!
Please note that Confucius taught both higher social status and relatively lower status need to be harmonized, every ideas are rectified by interpretative nature, I think Eastern philosophy is what we can be clearer about this original ideas are really helpful for people who would like to be socialized and be friendly ^^ I have to keep this in my mind too ^^
I have reposted the reply above, because previous reply than the reply above has too-oversimplified expression when I put it to English language, the 2nd paragraph ^^ I have repost it to improve what I invoked when I watch this video, please refer this when someone has seen my previous reply deleted.
Definitely Sapiaentil or noetic as James says yiu return with . For me Love is the meaning , there is no death. The pure consciousness event can come thru reading any mystics as Simone Weil says not knowing anything about mysticism can be more helpful . There is a Tonas as you like to say between effort and non Effort. Expressed by Kierkegaard in the Mysticism of Elliot , Campbell and Jung
01:08:00 Did you call it MacMindfulness? 😅 Funny coincidence, because the "Mac" actually indicates the "son of". So it's that's pretty much accurate as long as the (derivative) son took the lessons of his father in a too literal (idolatrous) fashion.
🙂
38:20
I have tried many forms of practice traditional, science-based and after writing a paper years ago on McMindfulness I finally rested with The Forest Tradition of Ajahn Chah. Why? There is just something magical about people conserving Vinaya but letting go of certain rules to accommodate a now Western diaspora. Plus they do not have strict rules when it comes to how one practices, for some personality's would like a more academic approach by reading Suttas etc, whilst others just want to practice. My teacher for many years quit his University job in early AI to become a monk. He is now a rock star (not really but monks do have prestige like a Bishop) being the second white person to ordain in Thailand under Ajahn Maha Bua (Ajahn Martin). Why did he leave AI? "It has no heart".
Is fame a,good thing?
Well, you are interested in listening to a professor who has a wealth of knowledge from famous people, so yes. Must be doing something right if more than a million people want to come to your funeral (Ajahn Chah).@@xmathmanx
🦋🕊🌹
Adjectival qualia are objective movements or duration, for example, physics perceive redness as oscillations happening so many times per second. Consciousness condenses duration into a moment and we perceive this dynamic movement as redness.
In regards to the pure consciousness event, with consciousness having the major function of reification for the sake of action, it would make sense to me if all that is left is the “this” and “that” or hereness and nowness. These would be “signifiers” in the broadest sense, signifiers of objective movement or process. This is more of Whitehead’s ideas and process philosophy
I look at everything, consolidate the best of it and move on.
A proper library is not one where you read every book, that's impossible. It is one which gives you what you need when you need it.
26:47 philosophy of philosophy? Call it a true western yoga?
Eastern philosophy has some interesting ideas but like everything else, it is either inconsistent or incomplete.