Thrawn is ridiculous. Blue grandpabod. The most threatening thing he's capable of is boring you to death with his story about catching an error on his Costco bill and his victory over the service desk clerk.
Chris is absolutely right. Disney wants everything done in-house so they own the process. But when the shows and movies don't age well cause they're lousy, it's like they own 100% of nothing.
Well, "Modern" Disney with their DEI initiative scared away or fired competent creators and leaders like John Lasseter. No wonder their films and TV shows fall flat and crash to the floor, burning.
Admiral Thrawn has a massive army yet his presence was a wet noodle. Chong Li in Bloodsport was ONE MAN but when you hear his chants you know trouble is coming.
With out a doubt . Thrawn is pathetic. Mads should had played Thrawn. But that be a lil awkward I guess. But, it doesn't matter who plays thrawn. Because disney is making this
Kenobi is what broke me. I loved star wars and gave everything a chance. Seeing vader and obi wan fight before the death star was so bad i just don't care anymore. So ahsoka was pure comedic relief for me. The clone wars flashbacks were the cringiest episode of tv ive seen in a while
The early days of The Mandalorian gave me hope that Dave Filoni would be the chosen one who pulled Star Wars out of the swamp that the sequels stick us in, but nope. The writing, messaging, and shear lameness of Disney+ Star Wars is disappointing on so many levels. Even light saber battles in Ashoka, which were a hallmark of earlier Star Wars, are wooden slow motion imitations of the action in the prequels. As a lifelong fan it’s just sad to think of what we have now.
So over dramatic. You made that all up in your head. He was a Jedi Master, not a learner. But he was a SITH learner, not a master. Your argument is Void.
@pinroshan020 - The prequel fans don't matter. Neither do the sequel fans or the EU fans or the High Repblic f... those don't exist, nevermind. But this whole fan base is shattered into too many fragments to even count at this point. You aren't a true fan if you like Rebels, you aren't a real fan if you didn't watch Clone Wars, you aren't a real fan if you liked the sequel trilogy, you aren't a real fan if you don't like the prequels. GOOD GOD SHUT THE F- UP ALREADY!!!
Your summary of the Zahn novels regarding Thrawn is spot on. So many people have no idea about the real Thrawn as he was originally written, nothing since has properly done his character justice, with the exception of the new Zahn novels that are now considered canon .
It's so surprising to see how beloved Hayden has become. Everybody is over the prequals and how he was turned to darkside cause d+ writing is nothing in comparison
I am 31 and I don't know anyone my age that dislikes the prequels. Everyone my age LOVED the prequels growing up. Seems like the hate for the prequels was from older generations because the prequels are generally loved way more than the sequels
My problem is I dont see a first draft here. What are the motivations of the characters? What is the story arc? They bumble around and we get fan service.
well, one thing did happen in the show, that is Sabine got her Jedi powers. The problem is she didn't earn it at all. She made all the bad decisions she could along the way, none of that had any repercussion, every time she even hinted some regret, someone came to say she did nothing wrong, and she is basically the same at the end of season, except that she can now wield the force. back in the day, writers new that giving someone new powers in a show was a pay off not just for some training, but a reward for the character development. Some random scenes of Sabine trying to move things with the force, and some Tai Chi coreographies that were supposed to pass as training do not count as good set up for her gaining this ability, even if she was established as force sensitive character before.
One thing I don't hear mention regarding Sabine and the force, (I haven't watched the show so it might be in there) is the there any discussion of the razors edge between the light and dark side if the force? Is there any tension about Sabines emotions driving her to the dark side?
@@torq21 I don't think so. I could be wrong, but I don't recall that being an issue. You see, Sabine is one of those perfect girlbosses who does no wrong; and further they seem to be trying to set her up as the next Luke- she said some of Luke's lines in the show. Also, any tension was not over the dark side but over if she could use the Force at all. Ahsoka is training her as a Jedi, but Sabine keeps saying she doesn't see the point since she's not Force sensitive. In the last episode she uses the Force. It was rather controversial, as she didn't need to use the Force in the first place and also because it looks like now everyone can use the Force, lol.
A clearer breakdown of the "Triangle" Chris mentioned: 1.If its GOOD and FAST it's probably not CHEAP. 2. If it's GOOD and CHEAP It's probably not FAST. 3. If its CHEAP and FAST Its probably not GOOD.
Remember when Anakin was like 8 and The Jedi Order said he was Too Old to Train? And you could spend your Entire Life Training and Never be on the Level of Some of your Piers? Disney said Nope
George Lucas is laughing hysterically. Bob Iger thought he pulled a fast one but George stuck him with his two least creative most incompetent hang around wannabes and made Disney put them at the front of the train. Perfect way to assure that Star Wars will never be greater than when he had control.
Either Dave assumed anybody watching had seen Rebels or he didn't care if they did. Either one is bad. One Piece is the perfect counter in how you show a series that most people will have no idea about the source material.
as a rebels fan i was left confused. Sabine and Ahsoka's relationship and apparent hard work Sabine put in happens offscreen in tiny bits of throw away dialogue that never gets expanded on. It isnt satisfying seeing them repair their bond when we have never seen them have one before in the first place, Sabine didnt trust Fulcrum in rebels season 1 and in season 2 she never really got along with her. Sabine didnt like that Ezra and Kannan where going on sperate missions because of Ahsoka, creating a rift in the ghost crew. Sabine having the force is also a load of rubbish as it makes no sense why no one picked up on it before hand and just pushes the message that to be relevant in star wars and fight the dark side, you need to be a rare jedi. Sabine being a normal Mandalorian, fighting those with powers she does not posses would have been a greater testament to her skill and bravery and is far more inspirational than "if you want it bad enough, anyone can be a jedi".
I tried watching One Piece and I could only get through 20 minutes before turning it off. I’ve never seen the anime. It felt like a bad kids’ show. Ahsoka was also hot garbage.
My favorite lines 21:23 from the prequels are - "DO IT!" and "Roger Roger" My favorite Lines from the OT are too many to write on here. My favorite line from the Sequel Trilogy is - "THATS NOT HOW THE FORCE WORKS!"
Waht bothers me the most is 30:32. I thiought The Last Skywalker messed up the lore with weaponizing lightspeed, rendering all captial ships and stations a non threat. But Sabine, my God. Her Force pushing from great distance really mess things up.. That leaves me asking... Why didnt Ma-Rey-Sue Force-lift Han Solo out of his fall in Farse Awakens? Why didnt Vader Force-lift Luke up to the bridge when he jumped in Cloud-City? Why didnt Vader Force-Push Luke down the Carbonate Freezing-pit? Why didnt Vader Force-push the empereor down the Deathstar Core? And i can go on and on.
Force powers aren't really thought through in Disney SW, they've become a writing crutch. Sabine has grasped the force quicker than Yoda probably did. Whilst showing no aptitude for it. Imagine someone picking up a violin and in half a day being as good as Nicola Benedetti, or Nigel Kennedy. Fine for a parody, or comedy, but not for a drama (assuming that is what this is meant to be).
@@Valen-mh9fh Well, in Disney W0ke Star Wars, everyone get to have the force, you get it, she, get it, everyone gets it... Everyone is a Force Motzart.
The sequels have a few memorable lines: "That's not how the Force works!" (Sadly, no one listened.) "Somehow, Palpatine returned." (I said "memorable," not "good.")
lol, I feel so bad when I watch the clip of Oscar saying that line. Much like when Peter Dinklage asked if there were any better story than Bran the Broken's in GoT, I could see him summoning every bit of his acting ability to deliver that thing.
Indeed, that series was great. It believably set up what the galaxy would be like 5 years after ROTJ, under the New Republic. And it was successful in creating a new threat in Thrawn who was a worthy successor to the Emperor.
Fans explaining about the Mortis gods and then sticking Lucas' name as if it's a seal of approval speaks of the multiple afflictions Star Wars has. That people still need to seek daddy Lucas' approval despite him sold the company. That people should be saddled with homework on looking up lore in previous materials *despite* marketing the show as self-contained. When this fails, you have legions of fans that derive pleasure in showing off their knowledge or interpretations but also conveniently doing the work the writers ought to have done in the first place. Recursion on past events is now rewarding instead of inspiring new ideas for the future.
Dave Filoni has a certain arrogance or stupidity in him to string out mystery boxes and recursive nostalgia without advancing the plot. Remember, he was there when Clone Wars got cancelled, Ray Stevenson has left us, and Disney Lucasfilm's prospects in the next two years are unclear. And yet he writes like someone who has all the time in the world to waste. Is he like Kathleen, untouchable by threats of dismissal?
Sabine and Ahsoka got themselves into their own mess. If they didn't go across the galaxy in that whales mouth they could have just waited and Ezra and Thrawn would have come to them. They didn't need to go to the other galaxy, it was their own fault and Ezra and Thrawn still would have come to their galaxy. The show only showed Sabine and Ashoka getting lost in another galaxy...
The prequels is so full of memorable lines, it's actually harder to think of a line that isn't memorable. Like 99 % of Obi-Wans lines are quotation gold.
My son LIVED Star Wars. He has zero interest in it anymore. Disney killed it. I can hear the strange combination of pain, frustration, disappointment and apathy in Alan's voice.
ashoka for me is not a main character material, i consider her as just one of the side characters and it would take a good story, plot and acting to catapult her as a main but disney failed on that miserably with this series.
"Have you ever noticed, General, that shadows move only when you don't look at them? For the past millennia, you've never had cause to look in our direction. Now, it's too late. Now, we move openly." -RL Blackburn A teaser from his upcoming story...as a salve vs. The Failuroni poisoning.
Great point by Gore: Disney (nor Amazon) know how to make tv. They are not shopping these productions out. An experienced company would never make these rookie mistakes. A whole series and not a single character had an arc? Basic amateur stuff
The writing seems to be the main issue, not the production quality (which looks nice tbh, albeit expensive). Disney SW has no single authority (as Lucas was) on how the universe is, the core undercurrents, stories, and characters. For example where is Luke and General Solo during all of Ahsoka? Guessing Thrawn will decimate the Republic, which 'sets up' TFA universe. He'll be defeated by Ahsoka and co. but they'll have to disappear else they'd be in the ST in some capacity. Maybe Thrawn will become Snoke? 😂
@@voodoochile333 Hayden did a great job in Revenge Of The Sith, Shattered Glass(2003), and Awake(2007). He’s a good actor with the right material and the right script.
Orange cooch. During the Clone Wars, Anakin and Obi Wan told her there's no panties in outer space and she hasn't been wearing undergarments ever since.
As usual, i’m with you, Chris. If i may, i know very well what you’re talking about, but for the audience, the Production Management triangle is essentially Quality-Speed-Price. Like you were saying, if you want it good, it won’t be cheap. If you want it fast, it’ll be expensive. If you want it good, but cheap, production will be slow. I could talk about this all day!
Andor's director for the Aldani Heist arc was a TV pro, there where a lot of UK TV people involved. Andor teaches lessons that Disney/Lucasfilm need to learn for live action. Also, it shows the flaws are Filloni as much as Disney Star Wars.
THIS IS "WESTWORLD". Disney "Star Wars" has become "Westworld". But no, I don't mean it's a TV show set in an environment where androids perform vignettes for a human audience.... I mean that IT IS SUCH AN ENVIRONMENT. The characters in Ahsoka perform duels, chases, space travel and all the vignettes we've come to expect from Star Wars. They are costumed and equipped with great care. LIKE THE WESTWORLD ANDROIDS. And I mean the androids from the original movie, because the "Westworld" TV show gave its androids more depth than this! "Ahsoka"'s characters lack realistic motives, they don't grow, they don't always act logically. They seem to forget past events and decisions. The longer we watch them, the less relatable they become. LIKE THE WESTWORLD ANDROIDS. The fictional Westworld audience would watch each vignette then move on to the next one without looking for anything deep. They KNEW it was only robots. "Ahsoka" is written to meet similar expectations.
Good analogy. I personally think AI is already writing these shows. The AI engine has been told to create something that looks like Star Wars, and uses the pre-existing characters, and that is what it is doing.
REAL Thrawn would have conquered those Nati critters and turned them into a labor force, restored his ship and started building a base as he'd have assumed he was there to stay.
Cancelled our subscription to Disney before trying to endure the last three episodes of "watching paint dry...otherwise known as "Ahsoka". And now I am going to slowly cross my arms and gaze at the ground.
What are you talking about? Disney Star Wars is about something. All females are naturally amazing at everything. All males are bumbling fools, and/or villains. Oh, and destroying George Lucas' legacy, can't forget the most important one. Everything else is just pointless filler. Kennedy hates George Lucas, hates men, hates fans of the original (real) Star Wars... I'm not sure why it's even called "Star Wars". Because, lightsabers?
The one good thing that has come from the show "Dave Filoni's Body Pillow" is that I'm finally reading Timothy Zahn's Thrawn Trilogy. Man, good books. Funny how the Thrawn in the "Legends" book is not an incompetent, fat ass Elon Musk stand-in, where defeat equals victory. As for Disney Star Wars, I consider it poorly written fan fiction, written by purple-haired Gen Zers who are confused about their gender. I stopped after The Rise of Skywalker. At the end of the day, Disney is and always has been a company that succeeds at Princess stories. They're trying to convert Star Wars into Cinderella (and convert Cinderella into Cinderwhatever.
asshooker was barely in the show, same pattern as with kenobi and mandalorian, they were the minor characters extremely dumbed down to the level of keystone cops in their own shows, so the part could have been played by a piece of driftwood...anyhow, ashley eckstein is too white, and a suspected hetero and even maybe a closeted christian or something, so she playing the part was out of question
Kathleen Kennedy told us numerous times that beliefs Lucas ideas are not relevant anymore.. I don’t know why y’all are looking for something she clearly says is not there.. Leslie headland has the attitude that they all have
So, this is how "Replacement Theory" and "Trading Places" (sorry Eddie Murphy, Dan Aykrioyd and Jamie Lee Curtis) actually plays out in woke Hollywood?
My only problem with pacing in Andor was Andor's tribal past in the first episodes. I had very little interest in it, which made it a slog. Otherwise, I have no complaints. I can honestly say that the Andor TV series was more worth my time than watching Rogue One.
Rogue One had a good look and feel but a pretty average script. Could have been the best Star Wars movie of all time, but there was something very wonky about the plot and script.@@chasehedges6775
I watched TCW and Rebels, and I didn't think the show was good. Too slow, going nowhere. And the Mortis reference at the end, even though it called back to Clone Wars, it was still ripping off Argonath which was created in the 50s (cf LOTR trilogy by JRR Tolkien). When this show was announced back in Dec 2020, I was quite excited, but having seen Boba Fett, Obi-Wan and Mando S3, I was already desillusoned, so I wasn't expecting much. At least I got what I expected, so that's good isn't it? 😉
Chris Alan you guys f-ing nailed it! Thank you for speaking what most of us thinks 😊 Nothing Ahsoka and Sabine did was earned. The characters Ahsoka and Sabine sucked 👎🏻
Roughed-out approximate Idea of How Ahsoka should have gone; Morgan heads off to get Thrawn, meanwhile everyone starts desperately convincing the council for military support, scrabble a force together, predicting they'll return to the same world they launched from. oops, so quick scramble to Dathomir, and a Desperate battle vs Thrawn's Nati-reconditioned Chimaera, NR forces get thrashed and run off. Ezra is the one later revealed who slipped some error-coding into the main gunnery computers to prevent a total massacre of the NR forces. Set up for season 2 is Thrawn's on the march, and started settling his nets on former Imperial systems with high retained loyalty, as predicted by his knowledge of many star systems during the war era.
Without fauvreau to ground filonii’s zany ideas, Star Wars drives off a cliff into cartoonland. The original Star Wars was great because despite having a fantastical world it was deeply grounded. It was smart, gritty, and entirely believable. It was magical how believable it was. This is none of that. The legacy of the original Star Wars movies, the legacy that George Lucas himself floundered upon, is entirely lost. The best thing they can do is stop and make some very hard choices, but the only choices Disney has been making lately is only the the shallowest and most transparent one of: MORE CASH. Star Wars CAN continue in the same vein as the original, as surely as ESB continued from TSW, but the degree of difficulty is too much for those currently in leadership at the company. The end.
I hate the ideal that written for a child show is seen as something of a insult. Good writing on a children show require more skill and sophistication than most adult show.
I warned everyone.....when the Expanded Universe was destroyed it was our first warning sign and Star Wars was dead. Years later I've been proven right across the board. I take no pride that Star Wars is gutted, rebranded, corporatized and dumbed down but "I TOLD YOU SO!".
It was was ok at beginning, got better, but dropped the ball at the last 2 episodes. Baylen was the most interesting character, could have watched a whole series about him
There was no plot to this series. If it had been a movie, this would have been the first 20-30 minutes where they just introduce the characters and give us a basic setup to the story. They just stretched that out to about 7 hours. If it gets a season 2, it will probably be more of the same.
The prequels do have memorable lines, but not because they are good. Quite the opposite. “Its working!!” And “if……you….are…..not…..with….us……you……are……against…….us” immediately spring to mind. The only memorable thing, in a good way, from those three movies is the light saber battle with Darth Maul. Other than that, complete waste of time and money.
Disney Star wars is like if someone killed your family and put on their skin and tried to convince you that they're your dead loved one... Except instead of your family, it's star wars.
Well gen z also grew up with avatar the air bender and also had access to dvds and later streaming so they had access to more shows new and old and many did watch but even the shows coming out then or right around then the oldest of gen z would have seen or many would have like avatar the airbender which is super rich and really deep story arcs and cool characters and world and Batman the animated series one of the first serial storytelling animated series I think and also tons of cool style and storytelling but there were live action shows that were cool also. It’s really been in maybe just the last five ten years that stuff got worse or the good to bad ratio became even more extreme. There were terrible shows from every era seventies eighties whenever it’s just the good are the ones remembered so people think there weren’t bad ones but there always is it’s just the ratio got a lot worse recently. But that is pretty recent the 2000’s had great shows still as did the nineties. The nineties and 2000’s had great live action too firefly, Farscape, Psych, tons of others. There were terrible shows from every era I think the difference is towards the end of the twenty tens up to now bad stuff is propped up. Back in the day mostly of something was bad it got a season or half a season or no sequel and that was it mostly now it’s terrible but they keep pumping it out numbers can drop they keep pumping it out all the fans can hate it but will also hate watch it and even if they didn’t hate watch it they’d keep pumping it out. Flop after flop of woke films but they keep making them, the fire thousands lose a ton of value on their stock price, fail the board of the company, have massive fail in park attendance, start conflict with much of their most loyal support base that kept them afloat through thick and thin. It just doesn’t matter they’ll keep destroying it. Really leveled at Disney heavily right now. That’s right annoy Florida the locals of which are the ones who kept the pair profitable during all the times no one else would travel all that way like during the gas crises, then during 911, and on other occasions when Floridians supported the parks that are extremely expensive but act like Florida owes you when much of your money there comes from loyal Floridians who have tons of other options for parks and entertainment as they live in a resort and entertainment Mecca with some of the biggest theme parks and attractions on the planet.
You don't need to go to Heir to the Empire, there are six (6!) new books featuring Thrawn in Disney canon which outline his character perfectly. None of that was used for Ahsoka. It would have made his character so much more meaningful. And even in Heir to the Empire, Thrawn was never about revenge or a vendetta. He was clinically analysing the situation and made decisions based on facts, not emotions. This Ahsoka-Thrawn is terrible.
I really liked Ahsoka, but I also like Rebels. This was more Rebels Season 5 than it was an Ahsoka standalone. It should have been called Rebels Season 5...
The problem is pushing politics into the shows. Wokeness inhibits writers because A) they are afraid of offending the ultra woke (which is almost inevitable), and B) they hope you'll watch out of guilt. These two inhibitors also make the shows mirror one another. Every show lately has incompetent men, overly bossy women, and a female villain that's just "misunderstood." I'm guessing the dark jedi apprentice will be that villain in this series unless they introduce one in the second season. It's safe. That's why there's no story, no clear destination, and the writers are constantly seeking to "subvert expectations" even though that's the most predictable thing they do nowadays!
Thrawn is ridiculous. Blue grandpabod. The most threatening thing he's capable of is boring you to death with his story about catching an error on his Costco bill and his victory over the service desk clerk.
Lol this needs to be a YT series. Like Chad Vadar! Costco Thrawn! Lmao.
This show is the very definition of "this could have been an email"
Chris is absolutely right. Disney wants everything done in-house so they own the process. But when the shows and movies don't age well cause they're lousy, it's like they own 100% of nothing.
Well, "Modern" Disney with their DEI initiative scared away or fired competent creators and leaders like John Lasseter. No wonder their films and TV shows fall flat and crash to the floor, burning.
Admiral Thrawn has a massive army yet his presence was a wet noodle.
Chong Li in Bloodsport was ONE MAN but when you hear his chants you know trouble is coming.
With out a doubt . Thrawn is pathetic. Mads should had played Thrawn. But that be a lil awkward I guess. But, it doesn't matter who plays thrawn. Because disney is making this
They absolutely destroyed his character
Thrawn has one beat up ISD that probably can't even make orbit on its own.
Kenobi is what broke me. I loved star wars and gave everything a chance. Seeing vader and obi wan fight before the death star was so bad i just don't care anymore. So ahsoka was pure comedic relief for me. The clone wars flashbacks were the cringiest episode of tv ive seen in a while
Live action tcw was just there to please the prequel fans. Thats it!
It took me Han Solo's death that broke me when I saw TFA in theaters. I was like HEEEEEEEEELLLLLLL NAAAAAAAAAAAWWWWWWWW!!!!
The early days of The Mandalorian gave me hope that Dave Filoni would be the chosen one who pulled Star Wars out of the swamp that the sequels stick us in, but nope. The writing, messaging, and shear lameness of Disney+ Star Wars is disappointing on so many levels. Even light saber battles in Ashoka, which were a hallmark of earlier Star Wars, are wooden slow motion imitations of the action in the prequels. As a lifelong fan it’s just sad to think of what we have now.
So over dramatic. You made that all up in your head. He was a Jedi Master, not a learner. But he was a SITH learner, not a master. Your argument is Void.
@pinroshan020 - The prequel fans don't matter. Neither do the sequel fans or the EU fans or the High Repblic f... those don't exist, nevermind. But this whole fan base is shattered into too many fragments to even count at this point. You aren't a true fan if you like Rebels, you aren't a real fan if you didn't watch Clone Wars, you aren't a real fan if you liked the sequel trilogy, you aren't a real fan if you don't like the prequels. GOOD GOD SHUT THE F- UP ALREADY!!!
Your summary of the Zahn novels regarding Thrawn is spot on. So many people have no idea about the real Thrawn as he was originally written, nothing since has properly done his character justice, with the exception of the new Zahn novels that are now considered canon .
It's so surprising to see how beloved Hayden has become. Everybody is over the prequals and how he was turned to darkside cause d+ writing is nothing in comparison
Hayden Christensen is a legend.
I am 31 and I don't know anyone my age that dislikes the prequels. Everyone my age LOVED the prequels growing up. Seems like the hate for the prequels was from older generations because the prequels are generally loved way more than the sequels
@@willbeard4835 I’m Gen Z and I Love Revenge Of The Sith
@@willbeard4835 hate for the prequels was from older generations.
Doug and Rob Walker: BREATHE.
Also, Doug and Rob grew up with the OT anyways
@@chasehedges6775 I hope you read or listened to the rots novel. It is the best star wars anything ever
Chris said what i was thinking after eatching the finale. the script feels like an unrevised first draft
It’s the finale of rebels again… and nothing happens.
Yep, I've been saying I felt like I watched a vaguely polished version of the storyboards.
@@PRC533 you’re spot on. Story boards tied together like a high school kid writing a paper that’s due in an hour
My problem is I dont see a first draft here. What are the motivations of the characters? What is the story arc? They bumble around and we get fan service.
@@TorianTammas you’re right, not a first draft. More like a plot synopsis for a pitch meeting.
Boba Fetts star ship can't be called SLAVE but Rosario Dawson can call Hayden Christensen MASTER?
well, one thing did happen in the show, that is Sabine got her Jedi powers.
The problem is she didn't earn it at all. She made all the bad decisions she could along the way, none of that had any repercussion, every time she even hinted some regret, someone came to say she did nothing wrong, and she is basically the same at the end of season, except that she can now wield the force.
back in the day, writers new that giving someone new powers in a show was a pay off not just for some training, but a reward for the character development. Some random scenes of Sabine trying to move things with the force, and some Tai Chi coreographies that were supposed to pass as training do not count as good set up for her gaining this ability, even if she was established as force sensitive character before.
One thing I don't hear mention regarding Sabine and the force, (I haven't watched the show so it might be in there) is the there any discussion of the razors edge between the light and dark side if the force? Is there any tension about Sabines emotions driving her to the dark side?
@@torq21 I don't think so. I could be wrong, but I don't recall that being an issue. You see, Sabine is one of those perfect girlbosses who does no wrong; and further they seem to be trying to set her up as the next Luke- she said some of Luke's lines in the show. Also, any tension was not over the dark side but over if she could use the Force at all. Ahsoka is training her as a Jedi, but Sabine keeps saying she doesn't see the point since she's not Force sensitive. In the last episode she uses the Force. It was rather controversial, as she didn't need to use the Force in the first place and also because it looks like now everyone can use the Force, lol.
The “tickel you with my lightsaber” bit was awesome! 😂
A clearer breakdown of the "Triangle" Chris mentioned:
1.If its GOOD and FAST it's probably not CHEAP.
2. If it's GOOD and CHEAP It's probably not FAST.
3. If its CHEAP and FAST Its probably not GOOD.
She's fluffy. She's clumsy. She's stoic. She crosses her arms. But most of all she's not a man, she's AHSOKA!!!!!
Remember when Anakin was like 8 and The Jedi Order said he was Too Old to Train? And you could spend your Entire Life Training and Never be on the Level of Some of your Piers? Disney said Nope
No time for that when you need more female jedis
George Lucas is laughing hysterically. Bob Iger thought he pulled a fast one but George stuck him with his two least creative most incompetent hang around wannabes and made Disney put them at the front of the train. Perfect way to assure that Star Wars will never be greater than when he had control.
George Lucas will ALWAYS BE the creator.
George took like 2 billion is Disney stock. To my knowledge he hasn't cashed that out. He is more pissed than we are right now
@@willbeard4835 He’s probably FUMING with rage.
Sounds like a Thrawnian victory.
Revenge of the nerd . Lucas payback for the backlash over the prequels
Either Dave assumed anybody watching had seen Rebels or he didn't care if they did. Either one is bad. One Piece is the perfect counter in how you show a series that most people will have no idea about the source material.
as a rebels fan i was left confused. Sabine and Ahsoka's relationship and apparent hard work Sabine put in happens offscreen in tiny bits of throw away dialogue that never gets expanded on. It isnt satisfying seeing them repair their bond when we have never seen them have one before in the first place, Sabine didnt trust Fulcrum in rebels season 1 and in season 2 she never really got along with her. Sabine didnt like that Ezra and Kannan where going on sperate missions because of Ahsoka, creating a rift in the ghost crew. Sabine having the force is also a load of rubbish as it makes no sense why no one picked up on it before hand and just pushes the message that to be relevant in star wars and fight the dark side, you need to be a rare jedi. Sabine being a normal Mandalorian, fighting those with powers she does not posses would have been a greater testament to her skill and bravery and is far more inspirational than "if you want it bad enough, anyone can be a jedi".
I tried watching One Piece and I could only get through 20 minutes before turning it off. I’ve never seen the anime. It felt like a bad kids’ show. Ahsoka was also hot garbage.
@@starlit_hawser11 Same. I don't get the hype. I'm starting to think I'm being trolled.
Dave was not ready.
And it proves that Favreau had to hold his hand in Mando.
My favorite lines 21:23 from the prequels are - "DO IT!" and "Roger Roger"
My favorite Lines from the OT are too many to write on here.
My favorite line from the Sequel Trilogy is - "THATS NOT HOW THE FORCE WORKS!"
Last one is clearly the best from the sequels.
@@mala6238 Han watching Ahsoka finale
@@janoslambert-cannon7146 exactly 🤣🤣🤣
I can sum up this show in one sentence - "Somehow Thrawn Returned."
Waht bothers me the most is 30:32. I thiought The Last Skywalker messed up the lore with weaponizing lightspeed, rendering all captial ships and stations a non threat. But Sabine, my God. Her Force pushing from great distance really mess things up.. That leaves me asking... Why didnt Ma-Rey-Sue Force-lift Han Solo out of his fall in Farse Awakens? Why didnt Vader Force-lift Luke up to the bridge when he jumped in Cloud-City? Why didnt Vader Force-Push Luke down the Carbonate Freezing-pit? Why didnt Vader Force-push the empereor down the Deathstar Core? And i can go on and on.
Force powers aren't really thought through in Disney SW, they've become a writing crutch.
Sabine has grasped the force quicker than Yoda probably did. Whilst showing no aptitude for it.
Imagine someone picking up a violin and in half a day being as good as Nicola Benedetti, or Nigel Kennedy. Fine for a parody, or comedy, but not for a drama (assuming that is what this is meant to be).
@@Valen-mh9fh Well, in Disney W0ke Star Wars, everyone get to have the force, you get it, she, get it, everyone gets it... Everyone is a Force Motzart.
Disney dilutes what was Pure, Chops it up into 8 episodes to keep Fanboys addicted. That's what a Drug Dealer does.
And SW fans are like crack addicts😂
If they want to keep the fan boys jonesing, they need to stop cutting their product with estrogen.
The sequels have a few memorable lines:
"That's not how the Force works!" (Sadly, no one listened.)
"Somehow, Palpatine returned." (I said "memorable," not "good.")
I like the first one because it's so ironic how the writing staff for disney literally does not know how the force works
@@thenot-so-smartfox4145 Accidentally genius. And Ahsoka seems to be worse than the sequels.
lol, I feel so bad when I watch the clip of Oscar saying that line. Much like when Peter Dinklage asked if there were any better story than Bran the Broken's in GoT, I could see him summoning every bit of his acting ability to deliver that thing.
Wow that Thron from the book sounds incredibly awesome!! Frightening!
He's THAT good, believe that.
Indeed, that series was great. It believably set up what the galaxy would be like 5 years after ROTJ, under the New Republic. And it was successful in creating a new threat in Thrawn who was a worthy successor to the Emperor.
The original Star Wars was a Father Atonement Myth. See Lucas' discussions with a Mythology/Literary expert named Joseph Campbell.
A better introduction to Thrawn would've been putting him at the bridge of that Star Destroyer in Tie Fighter Wars.
I don't have a problem with people who like eating soup with a fork but you have to at least double the amount of stupid involved to get Ahsoka.
that would be eating soup with chop sticks i think
Idea: You should react to Star Wars channel who find Ahsoka "a great show"
Fans explaining about the Mortis gods and then sticking Lucas' name as if it's a seal of approval speaks of the multiple afflictions Star Wars has. That people still need to seek daddy Lucas' approval despite him sold the company. That people should be saddled with homework on looking up lore in previous materials *despite* marketing the show as self-contained. When this fails, you have legions of fans that derive pleasure in showing off their knowledge or interpretations but also conveniently doing the work the writers ought to have done in the first place. Recursion on past events is now rewarding instead of inspiring new ideas for the future.
my favorite line from the prequels: "Somehow Palpatine returned". Best line ever.
If you see a Bad Robot logo before a movie starts you know it's gonna be stupid af.
Its been disney star princess gurl bosses, since TFA.
Filoni is not a writer. The guy did production design and animation.
Andor was (IS) the best series
Best series yes but unfortunately its gonna be a forgettable series because it was on Disney. 😢
Dave Filoni has a certain arrogance or stupidity in him to string out mystery boxes and recursive nostalgia without advancing the plot. Remember, he was there when Clone Wars got cancelled, Ray Stevenson has left us, and Disney Lucasfilm's prospects in the next two years are unclear. And yet he writes like someone who has all the time in the world to waste. Is he like Kathleen, untouchable by threats of dismissal?
I suppose having praise heaped on you despite being a bad fan fiction writer can have that effect.
Sabine and Ahsoka got themselves into their own mess. If they didn't go across the galaxy in that whales mouth they could have just waited and Ezra and Thrawn would have come to them.
They didn't need to go to the other galaxy, it was their own fault and Ezra and Thrawn still would have come to their galaxy.
The show only showed Sabine and Ashoka getting lost in another galaxy...
The prequels is so full of memorable lines, it's actually harder to think of a line that isn't memorable. Like 99 % of Obi-Wans lines are quotation gold.
My son LIVED Star Wars. He has zero interest in it anymore. Disney killed it.
I can hear the strange combination of pain, frustration, disappointment and apathy in Alan's voice.
I think that's why these shows and us viewing it exists. It's a kind of therapy after the loss of something dear.
I agree with everything you said guys. Very sharp analysis. Subbed!
ashoka for me is not a main character material, i consider her as just one of the side characters and it would take a good story, plot and acting to catapult her as a main but disney failed on that miserably with this series.
Well a minority is a minority
If Ahsoka isn't a main character in star wars then i don't know who is. Utter nonsense man.
@@daviddickinson6346Ezra
"Have you ever noticed, General, that shadows move only when you don't look at them? For the past millennia, you've never had cause to look in our direction. Now, it's too late. Now, we move openly." -RL Blackburn
A teaser from his upcoming story...as a salve vs. The Failuroni poisoning.
Great point by Gore: Disney (nor Amazon) know how to make tv. They are not shopping these productions out. An experienced company would never make these rookie mistakes. A whole series and not a single character had an arc? Basic amateur stuff
The writing seems to be the main issue, not the production quality (which looks nice tbh, albeit expensive).
Disney SW has no single authority (as Lucas was) on how the universe is, the core undercurrents, stories, and characters. For example where is Luke and General Solo during all of Ahsoka?
Guessing Thrawn will decimate the Republic, which 'sets up' TFA universe. He'll be defeated by Ahsoka and co. but they'll have to disappear else they'd be in the ST in some capacity.
Maybe Thrawn will become Snoke? 😂
@@Valen-mh9fh great points. We might not like the pacing of Andor, but it was written by pros. The differences are stark
RE Alan's comments about the writer's room... It's not that we don't want them, we just want competent writers in that room!
Hayden Christensen and Ray Stevenson(RIP) and the child actors(Evan Whitten and Ariana Greenblatt) deserved better.
😊
So do the fans
@@AverageJoe483💯👍
Heyden christensen couldn't act his way out of a paper bag
@@voodoochile333 Hayden did a great job in Revenge Of The Sith, Shattered Glass(2003), and Awake(2007). He’s a good actor with the right material and the right script.
I don't see disney spending 200million on a Theatrical Release of the Filoni Movie. They wouldn't make their money back.
You'd think, but not sure making a profit is their objective. Hence the tanking share price.
Alan’s line readings are perfect.
Who's Ahsoka
She's the girl who did the thing
Orange cooch. During the Clone Wars, Anakin and Obi Wan told her there's no panties in outer space and she hasn't been wearing undergarments ever since.
She's an anime catgirl who sneaked into star wars somehow.
Thrawn is the books, would pre-empt your Plan A, B, C and D easily. THIS NEW THRAWN cant even come up with 1 plan!!!
As usual, i’m with you, Chris. If i may, i know very well what you’re talking about, but for the audience, the Production Management triangle is essentially Quality-Speed-Price. Like you were saying, if you want it good, it won’t be cheap. If you want it fast, it’ll be expensive. If you want it good, but cheap, production will be slow. I could talk about this all day!
R.I.P WADE......... WE MISS YOU!
Haha. Yes. That death was felt throughout the galaxy.
Ahsoka’s dialogue is like that of Sphinx in Mystery Men. It is largely nonsense spoken as though it was profound.
"He who fails to train only trains himself to fail" - Ahsoka
Good saying especially if you are a training someone like a Paduan in a show Ahsoka with the theme “Master and Apprentice”!
Andor's director for the Aldani Heist arc was a TV pro, there where a lot of UK TV people involved. Andor teaches lessons that Disney/Lucasfilm need to learn for live action. Also, it shows the flaws are Filloni as much as Disney Star Wars.
Reminder that these guys also hated Andor.
Haven't watched it. I like my Star Wars with war, romance and death and this doesn't look like it has any of that
Not hospital sterile.
THIS IS "WESTWORLD".
Disney "Star Wars" has become "Westworld".
But no, I don't mean it's a TV show set in an environment where androids perform vignettes for a human audience....
I mean that IT IS SUCH AN ENVIRONMENT.
The characters in Ahsoka perform duels, chases, space travel and all the vignettes we've come to expect from Star Wars. They are costumed and equipped with great care. LIKE THE WESTWORLD ANDROIDS. And I mean the androids from the original movie, because the "Westworld" TV show gave its androids more depth than this!
"Ahsoka"'s characters lack realistic motives, they don't grow, they don't always act logically. They seem to forget past events and decisions. The longer we watch them, the less relatable they become. LIKE THE WESTWORLD ANDROIDS.
The fictional Westworld audience would watch each vignette then move on to the next one without looking for anything deep. They KNEW it was only robots.
"Ahsoka" is written to meet similar expectations.
Good analogy. I personally think AI is already writing these shows. The AI engine has been told to create something that looks like Star Wars, and uses the pre-existing characters, and that is what it is doing.
Disney Star Wars characters are pretty much video game characters levelling up one episode at a time.
REAL Thrawn would have conquered those Nati critters and turned them into a labor force, restored his ship and started building a base as he'd have assumed he was there to stay.
Cancelled our subscription to Disney before trying to endure the last three episodes of "watching paint dry...otherwise known as "Ahsoka". And now I am going to slowly cross my arms and gaze at the ground.
They Vadered too close to the duel sun's of Tatooine.
Truly one of the SW moments ever
a memorable line from the sequel trilogy? "GO AWAY!" -Luke Skywalker
What are you talking about? Disney Star Wars is about something.
All females are naturally amazing at everything. All males are bumbling fools, and/or villains.
Oh, and destroying George Lucas' legacy, can't forget the most important one. Everything else is just pointless filler.
Kennedy hates George Lucas, hates men, hates fans of the original (real) Star Wars... I'm not sure why it's even called "Star Wars". Because, lightsabers?
The one good thing that has come from the show "Dave Filoni's Body Pillow" is that I'm finally reading Timothy Zahn's Thrawn Trilogy. Man, good books. Funny how the Thrawn in the "Legends" book is not an incompetent, fat ass Elon Musk stand-in, where defeat equals victory.
As for Disney Star Wars, I consider it poorly written fan fiction, written by purple-haired Gen Zers who are confused about their gender. I stopped after The Rise of Skywalker.
At the end of the day, Disney is and always has been a company that succeeds at Princess stories. They're trying to convert Star Wars into Cinderella (and convert Cinderella into Cinderwhatever.
I hope the Dave Filoni handlers would erase all these negative comments about his masterpiece.
I'm just gonna say one thing: Those are "good questions, for another time".
33:43 Dark Forces / Jedi Knight series looking at you bro. Literally the coolest thing in Star Wars imo the reborn and DESANN!!!!!
The show WAS consistent - consistently poor.
Consistently mediocre and terrible.
When Alan read the Ahsoka lines he wrote down, I thought "Showgirls" quality.
asshooker was barely in the show, same pattern as with kenobi and mandalorian, they were the minor characters extremely dumbed down to the level of keystone cops in their own shows, so the part could have been played by a piece of driftwood...anyhow, ashley eckstein is too white, and a suspected hetero and even maybe a closeted christian or something, so she playing the part was out of question
Wtf?
@@pinroshan020my reaction as well 😅😂
Even the Thrawn in Rebels was somewhat intimidating, so Filoni can't even get his own sh*t right.
Kathleen Kennedy told us numerous times that beliefs Lucas ideas are not relevant anymore.. I don’t know why y’all are looking for something she clearly says is not there.. Leslie headland has the attitude that they all have
So, this is how "Replacement Theory" and "Trading Places" (sorry Eddie Murphy, Dan Aykrioyd and Jamie Lee Curtis) actually plays out in woke Hollywood?
I use Gungan in my everyday lexicon because of the scenes in the royal chamber
My only problem with pacing in Andor was Andor's tribal past in the first episodes. I had very little interest in it, which made it a slog. Otherwise, I have no complaints. I can honestly say that the Andor TV series was more worth my time than watching Rogue One.
Rogue One and Andor are both awesome
I love rogue one
Rogue One had a good look and feel but a pretty average script. Could have been the best Star Wars movie of all time, but there was something very wonky about the plot and script.@@chasehedges6775
Luthen rael is the best part. They probably mess that up next season though
I watched TCW and Rebels, and I didn't think the show was good. Too slow, going nowhere. And the Mortis reference at the end, even though it called back to Clone Wars, it was still ripping off Argonath which was created in the 50s (cf LOTR trilogy by JRR Tolkien).
When this show was announced back in Dec 2020, I was quite excited, but having seen Boba Fett, Obi-Wan and Mando S3, I was already desillusoned, so I wasn't expecting much. At least I got what I expected, so that's good isn't it? 😉
Honestly, i dont wanna see time travel again in star wars ever again because it ruins the story.
Chris Alan you guys f-ing nailed it! Thank you for speaking what most of us thinks 😊
Nothing Ahsoka and Sabine did was earned. The characters Ahsoka and Sabine sucked 👎🏻
Roughed-out approximate Idea of How Ahsoka should have gone;
Morgan heads off to get Thrawn, meanwhile everyone starts desperately convincing the council for military support, scrabble a force together, predicting they'll return to the same world they launched from.
oops, so quick scramble to Dathomir, and a Desperate battle vs Thrawn's Nati-reconditioned Chimaera, NR forces get thrashed and run off. Ezra is the one later revealed who slipped some error-coding into the main gunnery computers to prevent a total massacre of the NR forces.
Set up for season 2 is Thrawn's on the march, and started settling his nets on former Imperial systems with high retained loyalty, as predicted by his knowledge of many star systems during the war era.
Whenever there is more than 2 women alone in a room witchcraft isnt too far behind.
Without fauvreau to ground filonii’s zany ideas, Star Wars drives off a cliff into cartoonland. The original Star Wars was great because despite having a fantastical world it was deeply grounded. It was smart, gritty, and entirely believable. It was magical how believable it was.
This is none of that. The legacy of the original Star Wars movies, the legacy that George Lucas himself floundered upon, is entirely lost.
The best thing they can do is stop and make some very hard choices, but the only choices Disney has been making lately is only the the shallowest and most transparent one of: MORE CASH.
Star Wars CAN continue in the same vein as the original, as surely as ESB continued from TSW, but the degree of difficulty is too much for those currently in leadership at the company.
The end.
I hate the ideal that written for a child show is seen as something of a insult. Good writing on a children show require more skill and sophistication than most adult show.
I watched this series because of Shin Hati, my new crush
Would a Jheri curl fix my crunchy bush? - one of the many non star wars things crossing my mind while watching Disney star wars...
"TELL US... there's a PLAN! so we kin have HOPE!"--po dameron, star wars episode VIII: the last jedi
Did Disney get aby of the Good-Fast-Cheap? Maybe Fast.
Thrawn should have felt like Thanos, a menace for all of them. So if he returns, the whole Galaxy and espcially the new republic is in danger.
The theory that Marrok was Ezra would have been so stupid, yet it was better than what we got, which was nothing really.
The entire show they tease cool stuff that never happens
Pretty much.
I warned everyone.....when the Expanded Universe was destroyed it was our first warning sign and Star Wars was dead. Years later I've been proven right across the board. I take no pride that Star Wars is gutted, rebranded, corporatized and dumbed down but "I TOLD YOU SO!".
It was was ok at beginning, got better, but dropped the ball at the last 2 episodes. Baylen was the most interesting character, could have watched a whole series about him
Sounds pretty on par for Disney Star Wars. A show titled a character name not about the character the show is named after.
There was no plot to this series. If it had been a movie, this would have been the first 20-30 minutes where they just introduce the characters and give us a basic setup to the story. They just stretched that out to about 7 hours. If it gets a season 2, it will probably be more of the same.
The prequels do have memorable lines, but not because they are good. Quite the opposite. “Its working!!” And “if……you….are…..not…..with….us……you……are……against…….us” immediately spring to mind. The only memorable thing, in a good way, from those three movies is the light saber battle with Darth Maul. Other than that, complete waste of time and money.
Disney Star wars is like if someone killed your family and put on their skin and tried to convince you that they're your dead loved one... Except instead of your family, it's star wars.
I’m really happy I’m not giving Disney money for that garbage anymore. Lol
"The two of us...." and everyone else. I dont have d+ so its good to know that i continue to miss nothing.😮😮😮
At last we will reveal oursevles to the Jedi. At last we will have revenge.
I knew they wouldn't just 1:1 redo the OT. Just pick its corpse clean and claim it as its own
Well gen z also grew up with avatar the air bender and also had access to dvds and later streaming so they had access to more shows new and old and many did watch but even the shows coming out then or right around then the oldest of gen z would have seen or many would have like avatar the airbender which is super rich and really deep story arcs and cool characters and world and Batman the animated series one of the first serial storytelling animated series I think and also tons of cool style and storytelling but there were live action shows that were cool also. It’s really been in maybe just the last five ten years that stuff got worse or the good to bad ratio became even more extreme. There were terrible shows from every era seventies eighties whenever it’s just the good are the ones remembered so people think there weren’t bad ones but there always is it’s just the ratio got a lot worse recently. But that is pretty recent the 2000’s had great shows still as did the nineties.
The nineties and 2000’s had great live action too firefly, Farscape, Psych, tons of others.
There were terrible shows from every era I think the difference is towards the end of the twenty tens up to now bad stuff is propped up. Back in the day mostly of something was bad it got a season or half a season or no sequel and that was it mostly now it’s terrible but they keep pumping it out numbers can drop they keep pumping it out all the fans can hate it but will also hate watch it and even if they didn’t hate watch it they’d keep pumping it out. Flop after flop of woke films but they keep making them, the fire thousands lose a ton of value on their stock price, fail the board of the company, have massive fail in park attendance, start conflict with much of their most loyal support base that kept them afloat through thick and thin. It just doesn’t matter they’ll keep destroying it. Really leveled at Disney heavily right now. That’s right annoy Florida the locals of which are the ones who kept the pair profitable during all the times no one else would travel all that way like during the gas crises, then during 911, and on other occasions when Floridians supported the parks that are extremely expensive but act like Florida owes you when much of your money there comes from loyal Floridians who have tons of other options for parks and entertainment as they live in a resort and entertainment Mecca with some of the biggest theme parks and attractions on the planet.
Ahsoka is an open-faced insult to Timothy Zahn.
You don't need to go to Heir to the Empire, there are six (6!) new books featuring Thrawn in Disney canon which outline his character perfectly.
None of that was used for Ahsoka. It would have made his character so much more meaningful.
And even in Heir to the Empire, Thrawn was never about revenge or a vendetta. He was clinically analysing the situation and made decisions based on facts, not emotions. This Ahsoka-Thrawn is terrible.
I really liked Ahsoka, but I also like Rebels. This was more Rebels Season 5 than it was an Ahsoka standalone. It should have been called Rebels Season 5...
The problem is pushing politics into the shows. Wokeness inhibits writers because A) they are afraid of offending the ultra woke (which is almost inevitable), and B) they hope you'll watch out of guilt. These two inhibitors also make the shows mirror one another. Every show lately has incompetent men, overly bossy women, and a female villain that's just "misunderstood." I'm guessing the dark jedi apprentice will be that villain in this series unless they introduce one in the second season. It's safe. That's why there's no story, no clear destination, and the writers are constantly seeking to "subvert expectations" even though that's the most predictable thing they do nowadays!
Rumor has it that the dark jedi apprentice is a remix of Mara Jade. Let that sink in.
What was "woke" about this show?
@hoos3014 girl bosses, incompetent men always having to be rescued by the girl bosses, and a misunderstood female villain.
@@marcuswestcott Got it. "Woman, bad."
@@hoos3014 you'd think that if one could type, one could read.
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