Do You Really Need a Golf Shaft Fitting?
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- How important is getting custom fit for golf shafts? I went to Club Champion Golf and got fit with some amazing shafts from LA Golf Shafts.
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The only thing I am getting custom fitted for is a ball retriever.
Nice!
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Wow a full Bag fitting in one day, I'm impressed!👍
I usually split my fittings over several weeks, to make sure that my fatigue isn't a factor.
I would appreciate your feedback on the LA Shafts performance.
hope to see an update on what its done to your scores if anything! hope you enjoy them!
Went to CC yesterday and got fitted. Ended up getting LA Golf AXS Blue across the board except for 3 wood where I went red. Picked up 20 yards with my irons and eliminated my hook miss left. I actually lost a couple of yards with the driver BUT ended up hitting a very consistent push draw to the right and I'll definitely give up 2 or 3 yards of carry to consistently hit the fairway. The difference was swing weight. My old driver setup was C9. The new setup is D6. Going with the new shaft increased the swing weight making it more difficult for me to deliver the face closed at impact.
Equipment matters.
Why all the barbs at Matt for spending money on shafts that may improve his game. He plays golf all year round, competes in tournaments and makes his living from a golf TH-cam channel. He's not an overweight, beer swilling, hack who plays golf once a year and thinks he's dishing out original pickup lines to a cart girls who's heard the same thing 300 times that day like most of you throwing the barbs. Of course you wouldn't pay that much since your life's dream in golf is to remain a hack. But no reason to begrudge others who may be searching for something that actually helps them get better and improve their game.
Wow dude, deflect and project much? I don't begrudge anyone for spending their money how they want. My problem with this video is A- it's not for us, like he always likes to say in his other, more informative videos, this is entirely about and for him. This video serves almost zero purpose for the vast majority of his followers. And B- whenever I see videos like this, or sim builds, price is NEVER mentioned. Matt is not the only one guilty of this, but based on all the other videos he's posted, this is just disappointing and lacks full disclosure/ information
Look forward to seeing the results--before and after. Me, I just beat the ball around the course and hope for a few good shots to tell the wife about at dinner.
Thanks Matt for being the guinea pig here. Shot dispersions don't lie. You practice and play enough that fitted shafts will make a difference. The average weekend player would benefit the most from a driver fitting. Both head and shaft. For the pros, just hitting one more fairway and one more putt per round means millions. For us amateurs, we enjoy the game more. Thanks again for great content. We love you.
Thank you for actually including the company info you are talking about. Some other TH-camr's don't include such good info.
Club Champion is way overpriced not worth the money if you are an avid golfer and know a little about what you’re looking for…In short, I got fitted there for T200s and they determined my best shaft was the LA Golf shafts too (LA Golf Tour AXS Red 85R)! Only thing, the club heads cost $186, and the LA Golf shafts are $145 each, plus another $35 each for puring, and another $10-15 to grip them! So, double the price…Had you ordered these same heads from Titleist, or any online retailer, and picked one of their standard or even fancy shafts, it’s included in the $186 price…and so is the grip…I wound up doing my own testing over a period of a few weeks at Golf Galaxy, having them swap out shafts with the same head as mine. Turns out, the best shaft for me is the Project X LZ 6.0…which is 120g…not even in the same league as the LA Golf in terms of weight…my clubs feel 10,000 times better now..and the funny part…the Project X LZ 6.0 shafts are a standard option shaft if you order these clubs anywhere else…OH! Forgot to mention, the “full bag fitting” price is $300, and none of that goes towards your clubs…it’s a separate charge whether you buy clubs or not…scam…
Old enough and wise enough to know better. I think it is important to have your clubs fitted properly. In which you can and should do if you are an avid golfer or interested in getting better. Saying that I don’t think you need to spend hundreds or thousands of dollars to do so. It is all based off of your swing speed and or tempo. Swing speeds will determine your shaft flex, stiff, x-stiff, regular etc...Mizuno makes a shaft optimizer that takes 5-10 swings and that will get you in the ball park and you can narrow down from there. I.E. dynamic gold, rifle, nippon etc... same for drivers ; 3-wood , hybrids. If you are swinging over 110 mph you are most likely x-stiff, 95-105 stiff, under 95 probably reg but you have to go by feel and the numbers ( meaning spin rate numbers and ball speeds. That all should come with the purchase of a new set of irons or a driver fitting. And if you have the money and want to spend it at a club champion by all means do so but don’t count on it making a drastic change in your scores. At the end of the day it is the Indian not the arrow!
Awesome knowledge. I’ll move on to that once I master set up, balance, tempo, rhythm, grip pressure and the “chip & slide”. Please don’t be offended by my sarcasm. I guess the mystery of golf is part of the appeal of the game. Keep them coming Matt. I am a loyal subscriber.
You must have got a sweet deal to get all your shafts from LA Golf. Way to go to promote LA Golf!
I did the iron fitting 2 years ago and it make a huge difference in my game. The ball goes where I'm aiming. If you're in the single digit HCP range it's totally worth it.
Larry, I couldn't agree more. I think it's the 15 and above handicappers that probably wouldn't benefit as much from a fitting because they probably have more swing "issues" and really don't have a lot of control of their ball flights as a single digit golfer does. Me for example, I hovered around an 8-10 forever without ever doing a club fitting, but since I have I'm done to a 5.7 in a couple months and feel like it's going to drop more. I've never had more control of my golf ball. I'm mad at myself that I waited so long to get fitted.
Love this type of video, I guess I'm a bit of a club geek. I wish the "fitter" had been mic-ed-up to hear his insights. Thanks Matt.
A butt of a club geek, or a bit of a club geek?
What clubs do you use?
You didn’t miss much…it’s all sales pitch crap…they really try to sell you on the puring…it’s a $35 per club upcharge. Do your homework before diving in that pool…If you have any basic golf knowledge and know your own swing speed, etc, you should know what numbers are ideal for you and your game…
I love your open exposure to your experiences and assistance through the golfing experience. Passing on the knowledge rather than looking down on those of us who are high handicappers. Much appreciated and love the channel.
Just for the record shaft and head combinations make a huge difference. When I did my fitting they had me hitting a TM 6 iron just over 190 yards. Crazy! The problem was I couldn't hit it straight. The dispersion was all over the place. I wound up with a set of Callaway MB PW-3 irons. It was just a little more than I could have got them elsewhere. Like Matt, my dispersion was less than half of what my well worn Mizounos were. I didn't do the puring. I went back a year later when my driver face cracked, and that worked out ok. I didn't see the gains with the new driver that I got out of my irons.
It's funny, every time I see one of your vid's I have a smile at the beginning. Not sure why. Right at the start :) Like oh yeah, this guy. I like him. I think it's just the way you are. Down to earth, sense of humour, say it as it is. I always look forward to what you've got to say cause they're helpful, no crap, not too technical things. Thanks. :)
I was told by an instructor last year that the only thing that matters is the shaft and grip. All the heads are user friendly..just matters how you like the look of it. He said golf company’s don’t have enough warehouse space to fit each specific person so all the golf clubs across every company are about or around the same as performance.
Just been fitted for 1/2 inch shorter 10 grams heavier driver shaft....hit every fairway I used it on,and used off the deck twice....sweet
I got that same shaft in my Sim Max Hybrid too and it changes my 220 yard game. Got fitted at Agoura Hills as well. But I feel like they are promoting this LA Golf Shaft brand and seems like almost everyone got fitted with this shaft. Good shit!.
As a 10 handicap, I don’t feel like my swing is consistent enough to benefit from this type of fitting. How I’m swinging on fitting day may not be how I’m swinging tomorrow.
You can still find a good weighted shaft for your swing speed.
Even if you might not be striking the ball well on the day of your fitting
Mid to high handicappers have the most to gain from a fitting as opposed to a low or scratch golfer
Went there to get a putter fitting and the experience was great. Thanks Rob.
I golf 4 days a week. The past (about) 6 months I have noticed my distance with my irons falling off. I normally play my 7 iron out to about 153 yds. My last fitting (3 years ago) still had me in steel stiff shafts.I went in for new irons and fitting. I liked the feel and look of the Titleist T200’s. They set up a 7 iron with a steel stiff shaft,,, results... just like out on the course I was only getting 125 yds!!!
He switched me to a graphite stiff shaft... improved to 135yds with the weight savings of graphite,,, next went to a lighter shaft and picked up another 8 yds,, then switched to a senior flex and picked up another 10 yds and I can now say I am back to the mid 159’s with my 7 iron. It is worth every penny to do it right, and at 70 years old I can’t be happier with my game...
Lol. I was really glad you said you were 70 at the end of your post. Those are good numbers for a 70 year old. I'm 60 and still hit my 7 iron up to 170. I'm getting new irons and going to regular flex instead of the stiff I have played my whole life. Time to get my ego out of my way. Have a great golf season in 2022.
Lol.... had a crazy experience at a club champion. Went for a 5W fitting. The fitted me for a Corba F9 Speedback for $600... I needed a $325 shaft upgrade😂😂😂 In my mind I said “ are you nuts”. went down the rode the next day to a PGA superstore... was fitted for an Callaway epic flash 5W off the rack... nothing fancy. Then went and picked one off eBay used with the same specs. Best club in my bag. I’ve heard many of stories like this with club champion. But go see for yourself.
I've heard mixed things about pureing. that the pureing process wasn't necessary these days. Newer shafts and modern manufacturing especially from top brands have good quality control. But I'd like to see you do a video review of it... Help us clear the air.
Awesome vid! This sold me on going to get fitted by them. My fitting session is in 4 hours. I am looking forward to dropping strokes!
One of these days I need to get a fitting. I just tested some shafts at a golf Galaxy and one of the shafts I tried got me 30 yards more of difference and my dispersion got a lot better. I was shocked same driver head but with just a shaft change a totally different result.
I’m a mid to high handicapper. If I get custom fitted today and my game continues to improve, will I need to replace my clubs a few years down the line?
When does one get fitted? Early on or once they better their game?
I haven’t seen LA Golf on many golf component sites. Are those a Club Champion house brand?
Shaft fittings are imperative. I recently was fit for my PXG irons, putter and vokey wedges. Also, was fit for the SIM Max with the LA Golf shaft and it performed unbelievably stable during the fitting even on misfits. Granted, stock versus high end shafts is based on preference and budget. The LA golf shaft was a few hundred dollars but to me worth the investment come tournament time. All my custom fit work was completed by the team at Club Champion in NY.
Jason Velez aero tech is better....and free upgrade with pxg
E S LA Golf Shaft was a solid choice for my SIM Max. Agree on Aerotech for PXG irons. I currently have the Steel Fiber Aerotech FC 90 CW for my irons and the Aerotech 115’s for my wedges. Also, very stable performance all around.
Having interviewed Shaft Designers for leading Shaft manufacturers I can tell you that in the vast majority of the cases the difference between stock and aftermarket is beyond minuscule. That said, I'm happy you found something you like.
@@jakelindsay6251 ,you nailed it Jake -the same thing in windsurfing mast and fishing rods. The diff. between $100 shaft and $600 shaft is very very small.
I love the sound effects at 11:35 !!
Yes, you need a shaft fitting, This changed my game for all time once I got the right shaft in my hands. All my irons(including wedges) are now the same shaft, but my woods are all the same, but different from the irons. And they are ALL graphite.......woooohoooo
Regarding the swingweight thoughts at 5:00 - I don't really think that you should be concerned about too much epoxy increasing SW. You'd need to use some absurd levels of epoxy, or maybe if you're not using epoxy - to add the required weight for it to make an impact.
I do believe that different grips can make a difference. Going from standard to midsize will mess with the SW some. Going standard to jumbo will definitely mess with it.
I'd also say that shaft weight and length are very impactful variables..
Great video..now what was the cost of the fitting ..and the new shafts. .can't imagine a scotty needs a better shaft.!..here a Scott retails for $700. And it needs a better shaft?
every golf store i go to gives me different answers on what they do during a fitting, this helps some.
Everyone has made excellent points on this video. First I think there might be some truth to LA Shafts and the performance. If you play at min 60 rounds a year then the $ is just number. Also, your game needs to be close to par ave to pony up that kind of $.
@MrShortGame Golf How much did it cost to have your club shafts fitted?
From their website, $350 for a full bag fitting
$350 for a full bag fitting, plus the costs of shafts and install. LA Golf Iron shafts he used have a retail of about $100 per shaft and the Tronos is about $410. The putter shaft is probably also the LA Golf (seemed to be a Bryson pattern) and that's around $250 maybe $300. You do the math.
Don’t forget the upcharge to “pure” each club…that’s another $35 per club…And the LA shafts are closer to $145 at Club Champion…they don’t charge retail…I know, I got scammed by CC with the same shafts…funny how I’ve seen so many people getting fitted for LA Golf shafts…I played them for 4 months, swapped them out to Project X LZ Shafts with no puring and they hit feel and perform 100 times better.
How long would a custom shaft last? Could the shaft last head changes over the years or is the combo mutually exclusive? For instance I get one of these $400 shafts 😳 for my ping 410. 425 comes out do I just put my custom shaft on new head and I’m good to go?
How do you know if you need a fitting or a lesson? I think I am in the same boat as a lot of mid HCs in that we think we need to improve our swing before we invest in a full fitting but maybe the fitting is what is needed to improve our swing....Chicken or the egg??
I got fitted from club champion earlier in the year and it has been an absolute game changer. I will say you have to go in there with an open mind and an open wallet but I highly recommend them
Hi MSG! I am curious to know if your fitting pro talked about spine angle on the shaft or not because i did not know about this at all until my relative got his driver fitting at our local store about 6 or 7 years ago. I am not sure if today`s shafts are more advance or much improved now that the spine angle is not important any more. Can you share what that is if you know or have heard of it? Great info on shaft fittings and thanks for sharing MSG!👌👍👍👍
I'll take a shot at it. There is no spine in graphite shafts. And I understand the steel shafts have a spine(welded spot), and that spot should be on back of shaft toward you. Maybe only graphite shafts are purred. But don't we adjust drivers these day through the shaft? Wouldn't that change the puring unless you kept it neutral and standard lie?🤷
2020 was a bad year to get fitted. Waited a month and a half for the appointment and a month and a half to get the clubs.
Thanks, finally a proper explanation
I truly hope you got all your shafts SST Pured and went with the Arrcos Grips system. As for the putter, I hope you went with GBT Stability Tour.
Love these kinds of videos. I alway knew it wasn't my fault for hitting balls left and right😂
very nice now get them out on the course! Like that hybrid especially, no 5 wood?
So deserving. I’m so happy for you. What grips and what is your new swing weight, please.
Can you tell us why you didn’t like the standard AMT true tempers in the T200s?
l always shy away from club fitting, because of my small stature @ 5.2", thinking that what fits me would be too short of club set. Is it so?However l play everything standard, but puring by myself. l shoot mid 80s on average. Coach Fisher, what do you think? Should l get fitted in order to shoot lower score?
How long it took you to just get the fitting to installed?
Now that I have had lessons and am improving, I can see a full bag fitting in a couple of years once I further improve my swing.
Would you recommend getting a club fitting as a semi-beginner golfer? I just started playing in the past year, maybe 8-9 rounds on the course with 2-3 trips per month to the driving range. I’ve loved it but my clubs are a mismatched set of second hand clubs. I’d like to get my own iron set to start, what do you think?
I’m also not looking to spend in the $1000 range, money does matter, that’s why I’m not sure if paying for a fitting would be worth it for me
yeah, if you are looking to stay under $1000 for a full bag fitting, CC is not the place for you…you can easily walk out of there with a $1,000 driver…
I'm relatively new to golf, so what differences are there between getting them fitting and just choking down on the clubs?
It will be great to view the actual course performance.
I have just switched to graphite shafts in the irons,waiting for them to be built.What happened to the PTX pro’s?
Great video. Damn, now I need to get fitted. I just keep buying random used clubs hoping they're the right fit for me.
Thanks
Sweet but how much did it cost you? And how long did it all actually take? A couple months I’m guessing?
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Was actually proven a couple months ago Golf Sidekick is the best TH-cam golf guy, but we love MSG too, playa.
Facts
Lol didn’t kno that I’ve been learning from Mr.shortgame n rick all summer an my games gotten way better lol
Dee Bear he’s lying to u
What about wedges and other irons,sorta skipped around and how much did it cost
I want to get fitted but at 72 my swing changes weekly due to physical issues 😕 sore muscles, joint pain etc. so a custom fitting would be wasted, I have Callaway Apex a little longer & lie angle change & just make them work still shoot in the 70's
Hi Matt...I'm struggling with shots 60-100 yards that I need to hit low under a tree or through some trees. What clubs should I be using and how do I keep it low?
Put on your back foot and don’t use such high loft
What swing weight did you go with?
I would kill to beable to be be able to forget what clubs i got fit im happy gor you man
Tried many different options for each club and LA golf shafts were the winner for each one? Color me very skeptical...
How much does a full bag Club Fitting Cost???
Would of been nice to see some actual numbers of before and after rather than just dispersion circles.
That's why they sold him a set of LAGoft DeChambeau special golf shafts while there are at least ten well known brands, such as Graphite Design, Nippon, UST Mamiya, Mitsubishi, Fujikura, Oban, etc. that the pros been using the last thirty years. Where was this DeChambeau special golf shaft a year ago? LOL
How much $ was the whole fitting program? Thanks!
Very timely! I'm going for a putter fitting Thursday. Didn't realize the shafts mattered much in that club. Will eventually get the whole bag done for next season.
The entry fee for the Korn Ferry Qualifier in my town was $3500, so spending $5000 for sticks doesn't sound bad. I'm a 7-hcp so no sticks on the planet would get me to the +5 it would take to play those monsters.
It seems to me that those graphite shafts are so much lighter than what you had (irons) that it will take a long time to adjust to the changes. I just put my set of Ping G10s with the graphite shafts in the bag last week because my back was hurting. I was so inconsistent, I am going back to my Eye 2s with the steel shafts.
Do you think if I change my uniflex shaft to stiff shaft on my Driver, it will get rid of my slice?
*hopefully Callaway sponsors you one day!!
Just another question about puring the shafts. These new drivers are adjustable by turning the shaft. Does that defeat the purpose of puring? Think about that🤔
I've seen a great golfer shoot under par with a set of clubs from Walmart.
Search for "club champion fitting" on google, you will see some people love it, and many people think it is a rip off. Fitting itself is not bad, about $400 for the full bag, but then you have to buy shafts, etc there, which is usually 2X of retail prices. Many people ended up with $4,000 suggestions. If you don't buy shafts, etc, it seems you just wasted $400 fitting fee. The other thing is whether your swing is consistent. For driver, do you always have slice, launch the ball way too high? etc. If you are still shooting everywhere, I don't thin fitting can benefit your much.
Love this video! Can't say enough about Tim at Club Champion in Agoura Hills! Getting fit was a game changer for my game. I have dropped my handicap 3 strokes since I got my new set in July. Yeah, it's not cheap, but I don't regret it for a second. Money well spent.
Shaving Strokes! love it
How much does something like this cost?? I would love to do it but I am afraid that it would cost me too much
I got my irons and hybrid reshafted last year and it was about £1200 all in. Then last week I did my driver, the time plus shaft came to £300
Tourshopfresno.com - $290-$550 for each old driver shaft, DeChambeau special $600? You do the math. LA Golf LOL
Loved the putter reveal. Good stuff brother.
Matt I know shafts and grips can make a big difference in your game but can’t justify the cost. I have a nice set of pxg’s that I’ve been fitted for but after two years of hitting these irons I’m not convinced there the right club for me. Totally makes since if you make your living playing golf. Can’t wait to see how you hit em. Be safe!
Nice set up on those shafts and welcome to the great state of Georgia!!!
Hey, I was wondering if you could do a video of some practice drills on a practice net.
What did that cost?
Can you do an on course result with these fitted clubs?
Its funny there is only 2 sides of club fittings - the waste of money and you NEED it and both sides are experts. I went to CC and got 2 fittings - wedges and irons. Wedges costed me 60 bucks to get fitted and the same price they would of if I purchased new off the shelf with a shaft, lofted to my gaps, and lie angle fixed due to a left miss. Went back, and since I was a returning customer waived my iron fitting fee and got mizunos with upgraded shafts fit to me and my misses for (read this carefully) CHEAPER than off the shelf. While yes you can upgrade to some crazy shafts there are shafts that they can get you in to at no upgrade fee. Just depends on the company you decide to go with. Now I get free trackman time, club tweaks, etc etc. All cheaper than if I were to purchase them off the shelf.
I was just up there and got my dad a gift card to get fitted for Christmas. 💯
Did you move to ATL from LA?
I choke up over an inch. Possibly 2. Driver for sure 2". Recommendations? How can i tell proper club length? 5' 6" btw
Get shorter clubs
I want to know the cost
Just dropped a nice few quid on getting my driver shaft fitted last week, so hoping the answer is yes 😅
Can you explain to me the meaning quid vs pounds etc for English money talk. Pounds etc
Compared to us in USA dollars pennies cents etc
Always wondered
@@DavidMossMGS Sure! Pounds is the name of the currency, so you pay for things in pounds. So this would be equivalent to dollars, the current conversion is £1 = $1.29.
Then there is also pennies, so £1 is made up of 100 pennies.
"Quid" is just a slang word for money, so saying something cost "a few quid" just means it cost a bit of money really.
Hope that makes sense!
Jamie Hegarty makes perfect sense! That where I got confused I always assumed quid was something else.
I appreciate you commenting back
A quid is slang for a pound.
@@warrenb79 quid = buck
How much was your whole process?
great video Matt really like the shaft fitting idea. I still play the Callaway x20's but have picked up club speed so was wondering if it would be a good idea to look into it. great channel 👍🏻
This is a real fitting. Went to Moon Golf in Fl and they sold me a new set of Taylormades SIM2 OS. W a s playing the M4s. NO difference. GOT TAKEN 1400 bucks. Took 2 months to come in with wrong grips. They didn't even let me try them out when I picked them up. They Moon Golf claims to be the best not my experience.
Swingweight on irons?
I'm not a believer up to a certain point. As long as a shaft is not senior or extra stiff, I don't care what brand or model it is. I'm not at a level where I'd notice the difference, or maybe I would but the difference wouldn't bother me. I prefer to focus on grips and the actual club head. Those are the two variables where I'd notice big differences.
Noice. Would be really good to see the experience in more depth. Really gone into the launch and spin numbers and what was not chosen before you made a selection
Just looked at. The cost per shaft and surprise surprise they are quite expensive. Actual cost the res haft all my clubs would exceed the cost of my clubs by 10 fold. Just not worth it unless I was turning “PRO” at age 75 years young. Thanks for the video as it was interesting.
That is the part no one really tells you, to go through the fitting process alone it is $350 and takes 4 plus hours
Exactly, I went by Club Champion to check things out and it was going to cost $1000 to get a driver along with the fitting. I ended up going with the Mizuno ST190 from Golf Galaxy and love it!
Michael Murphy wow, $1K! Dang
Two of my golfing buddies were shafted this year. The are playing so much better. One is a 20+ guy the other a mid teen guy. Both improved and keep telling me to go. Going as soon as my back improves.
Leaving us hanging... I can't wait!
Great video! You live in GA now, what part? I'm just north of Atlanta.