Fifth Gear: Web TV - Mazda3 MPS
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- It's new, it's got 256bhp and it's one of the fastest hot hatches you can buy. In this video, Vicki Butler-Henderson finds out if the Mazda3 MPS is as mean as it sounds. For more videos, news and reviews go to fwd.five.tv/fif...
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A few things:
1) it's a 2.3l
2) it's 263hp
?
the lady said 2.5l and has 256hp dylan was correcting that statement
i understand
Mine has had a remap and makes 283whp 446nm at only 1.2 bar boost, and at 190k km on the odometer 😎😎
Gregory Bajien, what has reliability been like on your car? Would you recommend for someone on a student budget?
Hard to see why people wouldn't choose this over the GTI? How about cost and reliability? Wouldn't touch a VW unless it was inside of warranty. Mazda is more or less bullet proof.. and very cheap when things do go wrong.
Torque steer, so what? How about rolling performance? This thing is magnificent in gear. Much more fun than a Golf. The GTI is for women or guys who think they're hip and trendy. MPS is for people who want something a little edgy and different. Nice car, great bang for $.
Martin Kent I have a gen 1 speed 3 and people complain about torque steer but in my opinion all you have to to is hold the wheel. Is that so difficult for people haha
Hashtag Tsunami I had a Clio 172 and l did the same as you, just hold the steering wheel. Damn fun car to drive. I'm driving a 2004 Mazda 6 at the moment and would like to get a series one 3 MPS as it doesn't shout like this model and I kind of prefer that. Must be my age!
Damn facts man
@@grysx4160 yeah I used to have a 89 Mirage with a Evo motor swapped into it, these people don't know what torque steer is.
LMAO. U r a fucking clueless idiot. My golf 5 1.9 tdi has a whooping 447k kilometers on the clock and it's still running perfectly. It always has, with regular basic maintenance it can run forever. VW reliability is remarkable, truly amazing.
"55 grams more Co2 than the golf"
How things change...
+Lawrence Marychurch Co2. The VW defeat device lowered NOx emissions.
and they also faked CO2 and mpg values by finetuning em just for the EU cycle meaning in real world use the Mazda was close to the mpg and CO2 but the GTI and the Ford RS used far more fuel that on paper
Lawrence Marychurch this was pre VW diesel-gate scandal discovery hahaha
Lawrence Marychurch
Dont forget
CO2 make’s trees grow!!
Care for nature! More CO2 is good!!
Børre Børresen
As always
Did she said Golf is cleaner? LOL, say that again now :D
word XD ...
Aatrox
She ment it was washed better with clean
She got paid to say that
idk why everyone hates the front end of this car. I actually find it very nice to look at. It makes that car look a lot more sporty than the original 3
3:08 - 3:13 Runs over a cat.
zeemonkeyman1 hopefully, hate cats.
@ it's not that deep lol its just a cat
Shame she didn't reverse over it.
@@jarraandyftm fuck off you desperate monster!
And now we know VW cheated on their emmision figures..
I don't know what she's talking about, I love torque steer! reminds me that I'm not driving just a regular Mazda 3!
"most of the Mazda's chassis DNA comes from the Ford Focus"
strange... since the platform that the Focus is built on is just was used by Mazda several years before Ford even used it...
Børre Børresen
Couse ford and Mazda do a lot of back to back
They design engines together and most Mazda diesel is just ford engine.
Wich is Pretty good sometimes;)
Ford got some good diesels and fast easy to tune
I would have this over the gti anyday
Ha ha ha Mazda Mps shit box. The interior is made of kinder egg shells. Mk5 ed30 dsg any day.
Bubba Zenetti DSG?? Can you drive?
@@bubbazenetti5834 just buy a standard golf man, if you don't care about driving, clearly you don't, with dsg and not choosing the raw speed 3
@@bubbazenetti5834 speak for your self
i test it and this car gived me one of the best driving experiences at it's class, cool handling and controling
I still have mine since 2011, Everythings still clean and working well. Not the easiest car to live with, but still the best ive ever owned.
And a VW Golf GTI would have broken down several times by now, you can't question Japanese reliability :)
I miss 4wd , 323 heritage from the gtx gtr
Not the easiest to work with? I want to get this car, do you mind expanding on the problems you've come across?
@@mokbulhussain1476 The close ratio gearbox is excellent for acceleration and when driving very fast on a curvy road, but for everyday driving, you'll be changing gears ALOT compared to a normal car. The low profile tyres and 18 inch rims can be uncomfortable, so I've swapped them for normal 17 inch non performance tyres. Its much more comfortable now but it has less grip, so the wheels spin alot and I absolutely love it. The car is still great and looks/feels like new. The only things I have replaced so far are 1 headlamp, and I've just ordered a new suspension. One of the rear dust covers came off due to old age so I decided to replace them all in one go. They still work fine I can drive above 200kph and it all feels good.
3:50 because it will still cost the same to run in 10 year and parts will be cheap, also wont break down, and the electronics will work long after the rest of the car doesn't, unlike the golf
Interesting... MPS badge on the grille and a MZR 2.3 DISI TURBO badge just inside the hood scoop, neat little details that add a bit more flair to the car.
Torque steer, unruly, raw and untamed... is exactly why I love my 2010 MS3. An upgraded rear motor mount (and maybe passenger motor mount) is mandatory - reduces torque steer, reduces shift jerkiness, etc.
If you do some research the engine actually makes euro stage 5 emissions (some websites say 4) because of the unique design of the engine and catalytic converters by mazda, also most owners say mileage is good for a sports car. But not me, everytime i get into this car by feet turn into lead blocks
i still don't understand what's so good about the gti, every time i seat in one i want to gtfo.
I love my Mazdaspeed 3! This car was designed for skilled drivers just like the ZR1. Ever see one of these shows, like top gear, rate a ZR1? They claim it is rough, unrefined and completely out of control. Yet it puts down some of the best track times on the planet. The Mazdaspeed 3 is the same. For those of you looking for an easy car that requires no skill go buy yourself a GTI, but don't expect to see a Mazaspeed 3 in your rear view mirror.
For some reason this video DOES NOT describe my 2012 Mazdaspeed 3 which is the same car but the steering wheel is on the opposite side, it's MUCH better than how she described it
I finally got a chance to test drive a Speed 3 and the supposed big bad "Torque Steer" was not nearly as bad they make it out to be.For roughly $23k it's actually a damn slick little hatchback.
beautiful car
Exuse me
What do you guys think! I'm from Australia and I'm still studying. I'm currently in year12 doing my studies and working 4 shifts each 3hrs a week at Kmart. So far I've got over $7000 saved in my bank and I'm keen on one of these for my first car. All the money is my hard earned cash from working for 2yr at Kmart and I'm going to make sure I have 10k by the end of the year. My parents will pay the rest but I will be working full time next year to save money to pay the rest of the car off for my parents and enough for university fees!
Don Duke I'm in WA and I haven't heard that they are illegal for P players. Might need to do some researching, but yeh I know they kick ass, defiantly not a STI though
Good review. I recently purchased a 2012 Speed3 with option called "Tech Package" here in the U.S. -- same color as this review. I have drive the MKV GTI with DSG 2 years ago and I actually prefer the Speed3 over it as the reviewer said, it makes you feel alive. Speed3 has a lot more sporty feel unlike GTI when pushed. GTI seems more cramped interior wise, Speed3 feels more spacious and has better seating and cargo space. The six speed, close ratio, short throw shifter is like a jewel!
I love the aggressive looks of this Mazdaspeed. Hopefully a new one will come out soon with similar aggressive looks.
Shame they didn't do a 4 wheel drive version, the tuning options would've been interesting..
Because it gives them something negative to talk about. A good reviewer has to state both good and bad aspects about the product. You're right, it's not really an issue. If you punch the gas and the car pulls left, you simply pull right to compensate.
2.5 L
?
Omg....
wait... did she say torque steer is not a particularly nice sensation?
DUDE!!! i LOVE the torque steer in my MS3... it's inSANE - makes me feel like i'm really driving something beastly! she's nuts, man. it's a BLAST to drive.
You can complain about the interior, the ride, etc, but there's no escaping the fact it's both cheaper and faster than a Golf!!!!
It's a handsome machine too!
@PARCE93 Torque steer is when you put your foot to the floor and the steering is going left to right.
it looks pretty damn good if you ask me, even with it's huge smile
mazda is much better than vw, i cant wait to get rid if my golf gti, its the least fun car i have owned. i used to thrash my mx5 up the mountains for fun, even took ir to the nurburgring, where as i only drive my golf from A-B, there is joy when i drive it plus the rear bulbs break all the time and the drivers window fell out, where my mazda was brakes tyres and oil change and i drove it ten times harder
love how the Golf GTI is yard stick for refinement and quality, Vicki never mentions about GTI poor reliability issues.. so biased.
just out of curiosity, at 1:30 is she doing the usual thing where people confuse torque steer with understeer? torque steer is a result of HAVING grip and that grip pulling you to one side while trying to go in a straight line; understeer can be caused by getting on the throttle while cornering and LOSING front end grip as a result (which seems to me to be what shes describing... i could be wrong)
Also she talked about turbo lag and then later mentioned that above 2500rpm power is instant (so no turbo lag). does she think turbo lag is being below the working range of the turbo (under 2500rpm) and waiting for the engine to get up to 2500rpm? turbo lag is the split second delay of power when you initially put your foot down while the engine is ALREADY IN the working range of the turbo.
Also the "2 and a half L" engine is a 2.3
i could be wrong with what i said but IF im right then thats half of the review being bullshit, useless material. It makes me question a lot of the info i listened to in other videos that, unlike this, were about cars i dont actually own and in turn didnt notice the faults.
........ rant over LOL
brad ley you're right except for the turbo lag.
numbereightyseven He's actually right about turbo lag. Lag is the delay to boost if you floor it whilst in boost range. Boost threshold is what ricers call "lag". Threshold is the rpm range needed in order to actually spool up the compressor. You obviously can't floor a turbo car at idle and expect full boost
I had one. I liked it, blew the turbo, was covered under warranty, I eventually got bored with it though, because the power limiting in the 1st 3 gears really started to annoy me. Forth gear before you get full power is ridiculous for a road car, try and actually use that power when you can only get it in forth and say goodbye to your license. It was a very fun car but I ended up trading it in for a Subaru WRX STi. I do miss how silly that MPS was though. One of the most fun cars I ever owned.
I chip tuned it very soon after to remove the power suppression. I still have mine since 2011, i put smaller 17 inch lightweight rims on it so now it spins its tires all the time lol. Everythings still working like new, best car ive ever had!
my 07 MPS completely stock pulls hard from 2nd gear. The trick is having the wheel dead straight. The moment you have slight turn on the wheel, it will limit boost quite abit.
$700 Access Port and the problem is solved.
It's basically a Mazda hatchback sleeper.
The power is not wasted unless you only drive around in parking lots. On a good smooth surface, you can use it all from 3rd gear up.
If the newest Mazda3 hasn't been nicknamed the "Automotive Awesome Face", it should be.
if Vickie comes with the car I'll take it now! haha.....
The Mazda 6 MPS was far superior since it was AWD aa opposed to FWD Mazda 3 MPS
its a 2.3 and 263hp smh
You've Got What It Takes! living stocking !!!
If you want a laugh on four wheels; if you don't care about status; if you don't care about emissions; if you think torque steer is more fun than a six pack; if the idea of embarrassing Si, GTI, Cooper S, FR-S/BRZ/GT86, and pretty much any older normal BMW or Mercedes driver makes you grin - Buy this car. A kickin' stereo and room for the kids and a dog....
You will be driving home, and deliberately miss your exit to find the nearest country road. That's how great this car is.
I was following one of these a few months back in my little golf GT. It was hard to keep up with in the straights but holy shit was it slow in the corners - to the point of irritation. Looked like it was always on the verge of understeer, maybe bad tires?
Things like torque steer, firm suspension, and that "raw" feel are all things I personally enjoy in a car. Cars that are calm, refined, etc are just a bore to drive.
Lots of misinformation in this video: it's not 2.5 litre but 2.3, 0-62 is 6.2 seconds not 0-60, it comes on boost at 2500rpm but power does die out after about 5500rpm. If you don't want torque steer then don't get FWD. A little bit of torque steer is fine, gives a raw feeling of power. Hot hatch buyers today want hot hatches to drive like BMWs!
I'm not talking about the hatch, I'm talking about the over all design of the car.
Owned two gen 1 MPS's and I don't think I will ever own a Gen 2, just cant get over that stupid grin.
It's the same engine from the previous generation -- 2.3L. The 2.5's are normally aspirated, only, and are not available in the Speed3/MPS.
Because it's faster and handles better. People that can't drive like to complain about torque steer, but really, don't overcompensate and it's not an issue.
i still love the old one and dont think they need to change it but i guess it would have to grow on me if i buy one
Great review Vicky how ever is ford focus st that's faster than mps3 ford focus rs is slower
@tacticalHID fifth gear's been around for about the same time as new Top Gear started in early 00's. While TG focuses more on entertaining, FG gets straight to technical specifications. Vicki has raced against Jeremy countless times
The Speed 3/ 3 MPS/ Axela MPS is the ultimate automobile. Affordable, fun, fast, safe, reliable - and with personality in truck-fulls. Come-on, how many performance cars have a cheeky grin like that?
You are talking crap i have a 2gen mps it has no talksteer and the power comes in at 3500 and theres nothing left a 6500
except quality wich isnt important right ? or ride confort ? or looks ? or handling ? ....
@PARCE93 its where the torque of the engine makes the steering wheel move to the side. if the car is power full enough it can be quite a handle full keeping it in a straight line while accelerating hard.
Why mention the GTI? It’s nowhere near as quick as these and far less reliable, especially with electrics and intercooler which is very typical of German cars.
I love torque steer! Think of it as the car fighting back. Torque steer shows the car's raw power and rude acceleration. For the haters out there, I have the rwd Mx5 for the track and a Mazda3 MPS for my daily driver.
interior quality in my gen2 speed 3 is amazing and everyone who gets in my car always points out how nice it is, the GTI has PLAID seats... mine has a sick red and black dots mixed with real leather. And all the leather in the car is stitched together with red just like the 458 italia and F12
i know people say vw eletronics are bad but my dad has had a passat for two years and not one thing has gone wrong
Should've put this motor in the RX8
Wtf no
Yes, but she said BRAKE horsepower, which is not that same as at the wheels. When one is talking about brake horsepower, they refer to the crank, which would be 263. The term brake originated from the device that was used to measure the horsepower at the crank, which would be a brake.
keep ur gay gti there slow as balls and EXPENSIVE TO FIX
2.3 liter!!!!!
After watching so many reviews on the Mazdaspeed3 and the Golf GTI, I can't help but think that they are so close in comparison, that I would be heart torn to choose. They are both such good cars, in very different ways.
Forgive me for asking this possibly dumb question, but is the MPS the rest of the world's Mazdaspeed?
it's not a "two and a half litre" it's a 2.3 turbo and it's unique as engine, you can't get it from another manufacture.
What I miss about the new Mazda3s (i.e. from 2010) is how the instrument cluster hood doesn't have the 3 cylinders anymore -- I thought that looked awesome and unique. Now they just have two cylinders that stick out, with some junk squashed between them.
Why is she comparing this car to the GTI, The GTI is a fwd 2.0 Ltr, 200hp car.
I think the Mazda 3 MPS its directely in competition with the Audi S3,
They both produce around 250/260hp from a 2.0/2.3Ltr turbocharged engine, both have AWD, both are hatchbacks.....
the torque steer is hardly an issue. I dont understand why people complain about it.
I've got the US version of this car. The Mazdaspeed 3. And I have to agree with pretty much everything said here. although I don't mind the somewhat bland interior the torque steer always wants to pull the wheel out of your hand on hard acceleration. You have to pay attention to it or things could go wrong, fast. That being said I've found mine to be great fun to drive. Although the Sat. Nav. screen could be a little closer and bigger, as it was in the previous generation.
My opinion the mazda 3 has a nicer looking interior than the vw golf
I drove a GTI before I bought my speed3, the GTI was nice and fancy but the speed3 screams drive me. Which is why most gti drivers are older people and they don't drive it.
actually, mazda has made hatchbacks for years before Subaru decided to make its impreza STI a hatchback, so Subary are the ones copying actually
Top Gear has yet to do a review of this 2010 version MPS
@mksylvester At one time Ford owned 33% of Mazda, since then Mazda bought back most of its shares, now Ford owns 3%
@popomomo12 negative ghost rider, the Mazda6 MPS also had 256 HP. the US spec MS3 and 6 have 273.
@ChamaliVR6 -- Is the Golf R even sold in the US? The R32 was a sales bust here because it was $10,000 more than the MazdaSpeed3 (and its worthy competitors), but it was slower because it was ridiculously heavy for such a small car. I hope the new R is much lighter, or it wont be able to keep up with the MPS/Speed3 from a rolling start either.
I miss my 2007 mazdaspeed3, it seemed to be better in almost every way than this newer mazdaspeed3
I wished they had this white color on the 2011 Speed3, the only options that they gave me was lipstick red, panzy blue, boring gray and overused black! So I went with the black one. One question is there a breaking point on the turbo when buying new?
not surprised a girl prefers the gti. i drove the mazdaspeed3, the wrx and the gti, and i bought the one that won hands-down - the mazda. it wasn't close, imho.
@RooR2027 That is the Naturally Aspirated Mazda3/Axela. Mazda kept the 2.3L displacement in their turbocharged speed3/MSP line of cars. If Mazda made a 2.5L turbocharged setup, they would be criticized for manipulating and following Subaru's standards in sport compact cars/hot hatches.
bouncy ride? i was recently in the previous version on this car and was very surprised at the comfort!
and as for the torque steer? what torque steer? i couldnt believe the handling just ate up every corner with ease
I cannot wait for the return of fifth gear =)
"And the ride is so bouncy, you'll never get a minute to relax"
Thats what she said.
what happened to the Flip-up GPS?
Mazda has Gru's Shrink ray?
Why did they discontinue the speed6. great car and it would have been awesome to see it again with the redesign and even more power.
i love my speed 3
I cannot reconcile a "mean" with "smiling".
And the GTI does not get any 39MPG!! It's the same as the Speed3 according to anyautomotive publications I've seen. Not to rag on the GTI, however. I've driven one and found it very nice -- loved the DSG transmission.
Her assertion that more than 200HP is a waste sounds like silly "VWspeak" to me. Just because I have 280 lbs of torque doesn't mean I always have to use it. That's why engine output is controlled by a THROTTLE, not a SWITCH. Why not use a mere, say, 207 lb/ft in the first two gears, and save the extra 73 for 3rd through 6th when you can use them to outrun that GTI?
She were talking about the British version of Mazdaspeed 3, young lad =)
@ike111111
I have a few friends with GTI's, and i use to own a audi a4 with the 2.0t. I loved the car, but the stock K03 is puny. The best upgrade i ever did to my audi was the K04. But, its gone now, and got a 2010 MazdaSpeed3 with a K04 STOCK! 265hp, 280tq, and i can even get a tune? When it comes to speed, GTI's just aren't in the same ball park. But i'll give it to the germans for their nicer interiors, more subtle styling, and better mpg.
No, the new one also uses a 2.3. Top Gear screwed up bigtime.
@MyRandomLife247 Not exactly... it's not an 'old' 'Ford' engine, it's been changed and improved a lot, and is now Mazda's own.
Also, inb4 'Ford owns Mazda': Ford sold off their share in the 90's, they have less than 5% of stake today.
@seauryakumar because the WRX is a 4x4 like the evo, and HotHatches are FWD ...
There's someone on TH-cam who understands the effects of weight distribution? Wow.
Anyway, yes, an unbalanced car will be slower than a balanced one, but all cars have something you have to drive around. For most FWD cars, you just have to brake deeper into the corner to keep it rotating. Think of it as the opposite of a Porsche 911.
Why did they give it to Vicki for a review...
Ok, in Portugal this thing costs €45.000, the same as the Scirocco R! It's also €7.000 more than the Megane RS and €4.000 more than the Golf GTI. Mental...
@mykatamari she says "torque steer" not "torque stick" but i can see how you would hear that. her accent is very thick