N63B44. Maintenance is key: 5k mile synthetic oil changes, all fluids always topped off, super unleaded fuel only, and frequent full throttle pulls. The engine is a beast, but a lot of people buy these cars for the prestige, and are lazy and or too cheap to properly maintain them. My n63 has 192k miles, and runs like a top. I enjoy spanking pickup truck drivers everywhere. But wanna play, gotta pay.
@@UT3CTF I have a BMW shop and I have service over 1600 BMWs. Mostly V8 550, 650 and 750s. I can tell you that I have 3 customers with 300K miles on the 745 and 750s. When I did valve stem seals on the engines, they looked like new inside. The customers all change their oil faithfully at 5K miles. I know the oil can go a lot longer but, if you keep clean oil in the engine the dirty oil doesn't eat up the plastic components as fast. Timing guides, breather hoses, turbo ducts etc.... The turbo feed and return lines don't get clogged . When tell people to change their oil every 5K miles, they tell me BMW says change it at 11K, 15K etc and I ask them who car is it yours or BMW. I have a 2016 BMW X5D, 2011 BMW 550i, and a 2014 Porsche Panamera 4S and I change my oil every 5K too!!! Trust me It make a difference.
@@michaelbrown306 hey Michael! Talk to me please about X5 f15 15/16 50i if I manage to find a well treaten truck what I can expect? And what is the worst scenario exept a new engine :D?
@@dParakeetNo mods so far, but I got recommended and bought the 3 inch downpipes, but have yet to get them installed soon. It’s up to 229k miles, and running excellent. Knock on wood…
It largely comes down to engine care. A lot of people get in over their head and cut corners, or prolong maintenance. My 750i has 147k miles and has been well cared for, no big issues. Love it.
Boys are exactly right. You can’t think for an idiot, if they only listen to the dashboard and follow the 10k plus oil change intervals etc, it’s not bmw’s fault it’s your fault!!😭
I have a BMW repair shop and I am a used auto dealer in GA. All I buy is 2009-2012 BMW 550, 650, and 750s with bad engines for $2500 -$4500. I rebuild the engines or replace and then I sell them. I change the head gaskets, timing chains, all gaskets, seals, and oil cooler hoses. I won't sell them unless the timing chains have been done because, with the long oil change intervals, the timing guides break and cause the engine to jump timing and lock up. The dirty oil causes the plastic timing guides to become brittle and break. I have found that the guides stay flexible and don't break if people have been changing the oil at 5000 miles or less. Changing the oil at 5,000 miles should keep clean oil in the engine and prevent the timing chain guides from breaking until over 200K miles. I have a 12 BMW Alpina B7, 17 BMW X5, and 14 Porsche Panamera. I change the oil at 5,000 miles like clockwork. I love these engines but, I can work on them.
The N-63TU does fine if they are maintained regularly. You can't beat the HP and Torque for the money. Additionally, parts aren't horrible unless we look at coil packs, turbos, and a few other things; the most significant part of the cost is labor. I work on my own and love it.
The reports and experiences with N63[B44]TÜ like yours here, is exactly why I decided to go for a CPO F11 550i , which is absolutely rare even here in Germany
My well maintained TU died. Locked up tight af out of nowhere. Definitely an improvement over the original as it lasted 90k miles, but still unacceptable in the grand scheme of vehicle reliability.
Thank you for at least addressing the N63 engine!!! Everyone is so so scared to even talk about this engine or let alone work on it. Some of these mechanics aren't real. I work on mine myself, reading alot and researching.
@@UT3CTF drive train malfunction, air compressor shot, seat bolster gear broken, ccv hose cracked. Smoking from tailpipe(class action lawsuit fixed by BMW FOR FREE)
Also depends on how the car was treated. My dads 2013 750li (n63tu) has 163k miles everything is original. He has it since 81k and hasn’t replaced anything but oil changes and stuff like that.
Love/hate relationship with my n63. Got the earliest variant in my 2009 750i. Thanks for the vid. Definitely agree, the engine is like one of those prescription drug commercials. Sides effects may include: oil consumption, coolant leaks, drivetrain malfunctions... and engine blowing up.
Benefits includes: respect and admiration from friends, no tailgating from other drivers, 0-60 time in warp speed, women, enjoyable driving experience, did I say women??😄😎
I also have a 2009 750Li. When is running is awesome, but I'm never surprised anymore when the check engine light comes on. What I really wish is that I could keep the engine but got rid of the turbos. But this being 2020, the N63 should be problem-free by now. BMW has had 11 years to perfect the thing.
I have recently purchased a 2010 750 Li. I took it to BMW to update the iDrive and they said they wouldn’t touch it as it hadn’t been to BMW for service for over 2 years however they would do a load of work, including replacing the injectors, all for free on the manufacturers recall. So definitely worth going in to BMW to check out if they will do this to anyone’s that is playing up
I agree with Nathan that it makes sense to avoid these engines if you can spring for something newer with the N63TU or N63TU2. It's a numbers game. If you get one cheap you can have a fun car, but be prepared to spend a little. Short blocks aren't that bad and you can go that route if things get out of hand and you still want to keep the car. Speed costs money, how fast do you want to go...?
2012 BMW 750Li xDrive, work on everything myself, don't buy one if you don't want to spend money on maintenance. Do not neglect it and avoid doing preventative maintenance to it. If you are not mechanically inclined, going to the shop every issue will leave you broke.
I'm rocking an old M62TUB44 in my 2001 540i. It's on 148k and I'm going to have the front timing guides, chains, sprockets and vanos units replaced and I'm hoping it should be good for another 15 years / 100k miles
I have a 2013 X5 50i with a new engine replaced under the class action settlement after multiple failed valve stem repairs. Now this new engine I’ve seen burning oil (which dealer says is normal...btw that’s what they tried to say when I reported issues under warranty at 28k miles-clearly not normal). Didn’t get to get the replacement until 68k miles at which point was at shared cost of $1500 to me 😫 and well today, she’s now overheating... I’m sure they’ll tell me that’s normal too or it’s definitely not the engine right??!!! Sucks to be stuck in one if these while upside down not that I could ever sell it to someone else with good conscience. Oh and by the way they tried to say it’s worth would be increased due to new engine, so I tested them and they offered me 10k for it 😆😆😆 must laugh or will cry. Sorry for the rant but if anyone was wondering....strongly do not recommend.
I also have the same model with engine replaced under the Bang class action. I noticed the first fill was low SAPS LL12 oil and the dealer actually said that was the new standard but cannot see that listed anywhere. So I am 40K miles in and change the oil myself every 5K miles and am getting 1 MPG better fuel consumption and don’t even need to top up the oil between changes. My hypothesis is the LL1 oil specified in the US being high SAPS is not good for the valve stem seals and is not necessary now given US gasoline is the same standard as Europe. Maintaining this procedure has made this engine ultra reliable “so far” with no increased oil consumption even while running an ESS tune the whole time.
The N63B44M3 that’s in 2018 and above vehicles is basically a re-engineered N63 and is reliable...so far. In fact, I’m kinda surprised they kept the n63 designation. It’s still a little nuclear reactor so time will tell what all that residual heat will do to the components.
Thought they fixed the issues .I uh an n63 And it’s a nightmare on the oil consumption and the issues. With these seals and rubbers . Why buy a car and every 50k miles your afraid u need to pay 6/7/8/9/10 grand in expenses to fix. Don’t drive those things in sport mode Don’t step on the gas insanely and for long periods of time Change oil on time & have oil additives Seen people have solutions to those problems that bmw should have done themselves . Ventilations, heat shielding, And bmw and mechanics over charge . The bmw dealer should have a sorry note to customers by charging less than 2k for repairs to n63’s and make stronger better parts everytime
I have a 13’ 550i. I nuked the stock motor at about 80k miles. Threw a rod into orbit. Put a new long block in for $11k. Running strong at 111k miles.... for now. Might tune it, catless down pipe it, delete the resonators and hoon it for all she’s worth. Might get a week out of the n63, might get an hour. That’s the fun of it.
I have two friends with the same car . Both drive a 2011 750i . One has never had a problem and the other sold it super cheap because the engine ceased . They both had 120,000 km approximately on their cars . It's also luck of the draw . I love n55 535i but would never take this risk .
i work in Finland as a mechanic we have BMW service and a 750i came in that a customer was test driving a car from an another dealership and it blew up on the test drive lol i guess he was lucky 😂
N63TU is solid. I encourage any of your subscribers to look it up. You might find a few with a few problems...but its definitely not a trend. N63TU was put in 750's 2014-2018. 550 and down are all trash IMO...they dilute the brand
@@joe7801 didnt know that...how has it been for you?? im at 80,000 miles...flawless. it does eat oil though...and other than the hideous run flats...shes been a dream
I have a bmw 550i 2014 with the n63tu with 87000 miles on it. I have changed 2 ignition coils and 8 sparkplugs after it got misfire on cylinder 1 and 2. Only problem for me so far.
@Nathan’s BMW Workshop don’t forget about the valve stem seals, easy $2 grand if you have a mechanic do it, obviously much cheaper if you can swap them out yourself. Of course you’ll have to either rent or purchase the valve stem seal tool kit as well, and have a good 20-30 labor hours combined with mechanical experience. Anyone who has excessive smoking out of their exhaust after a long period of idling should first replace their PCV’s, it’s definitely worth a shot before replacing the valve stem seals because it can resolve the issue for much cheaper and a much easier DIY job, there’s a great TH-cam channel called Tim’s BMW Repairs and Information. This guy knows his stuff just like Nathan and his videos are extremely informative.
11 minute video could have been summarized in 2 minutes: 1. Great and powerful engine when it works 2. Known to have problems - especially earlier ones 3. Buying a used one with a blown engine doesn't make sense. 4. Avoid 1-3 by only buying these cars with a warranty. Ok maybe 1 minute.
You are exactly right Nathan, bmw purposely put engines out for sale knowing problems are gonna show up, and they only address issues in the next newer model, a slap in previous owners faces😂
knock on wood...I've driven my 2016 650i for 70k miles with no issues. No excessive oil consumption or anything. Perfect engine as far as I'm concerned. Guess I'm one of the lucky ones?
Alll engines after 2014 have had a decent upgrade. Then again 2018. They have become extremely reliable. Most people just hear the problems of the early versions in combination with owners that couldn't or wouldn't afford decent maintenance...
Lol come on man, most of these people who buy these cars actually want them to keep running. The motor is trash period. I know two people who never beat on their cars and it was services religiously and they still grenaded lol. Car looks great but motors garbage.
Wow man! Thanks for another informative video spot on Bimmer engines. As an old soldier that spent a few years in Germany based there in the late 70’ to early 90’s. BMW was like a King on the autobahns. The cars were workhorses and didn’t have the issues you find on the modern newer cars (Bimmers)of today... I suspect the design of the cars ie engines now days are crap... don’t know how the quality control got so bad in manufacturing these cars that I have had a passion for over the years. I own and 99 745i and a 03 325xi... have small issues with them as they are well worn cars and I can fix the items that fail in normal wear and tear.... it’s a shame that people have gotten stuck with a big loan on a car that has Grenade on them.... and have to try to sell it in a market on the cars that have recalls and for major engine failures.... again thx for the lessons on these cars ..... enjoying your car projects on maintenance and upgrades!!! 😊🇺🇸😎
This engine would be so good if they moved the exhaust to the bottom and not in the middle of the engine all that heat is what causes the engine to fail 🤦🏽♂️
I have an 11 F10 550 with the N63. My girlfriend bought it used. It is a joke! quart go oil after 700 miles! (And this after I had the voluntary recall also known as the "customer care package"!) That included new valve seals. It did reduce the smoke bellowing out of exhaust.But it still burns oil! Next the coolant needs refills often! After getting some work done on it for a fuel pump...The battery caught on fire one night driving it home. They replaced everything in the trunk area...FREE! Needed to replace Ignition Coils too! Now stuff that I do not see much that I am sure happens on a lot of BMW Interiors...Button decals rub off. There is this gooey crap that is where the door handle is inside the car. Is rubs off on your hand when opening the car. It is SHIT! But I have 130,000 on it. :)
@@6lemans10 No it's not. Scotty Kilmer is a complete “non car guy” propped-up boring Asian car nut hugging clown. Last person I’d take car buying advice from.
So, bmw sells the n63 for about 5k retail price. Full long block. They dropped the price for the class action against them. I work at a BMW shop. I replace one a month.
Tie Bei bmw of mainline here in the Philadelphia area is where the shop I work for sources the long blocks. I work at VAC Motorsports. Feel free to call and get if you are actually interested in an engine Parts and labor it’s normally well under 12k
Mike L I have no idea when this started, but I have personally replaced 3 within 6 months. Non of which had 30k price tags. 5k normally, and if my wrong it’s not by much.
n47 328d Still Going strong Nathan! no issues and sitting at 86,000miles. Peered into the valve cover the other day and everything is spotless. Extremely clean. Not even oil stained. I almost wonder if the engine was replaced before i got it its so clean.
N62 will be my last v8 from BMW, I’m afraid to touch n63, n62 in 08-10 much more reliable than early n62 engines. Still they love to leak oil. But I can fix that.
Huh. All this is covered up to 110,000 miles by BMW on my 2014 X6 with the N63tu. Had the valve seal wear at 45K miles COVERED 100% by BMW. The “tu” turbo waste gate issue were fixed. The “tu” was introduced in 2013.
And this is why expensive high tech cars with high miles are (effectively) worthless,they simply cost too much to fix, and the great complexity means that you will have to replace a lot of expensive modules. Much better to buy a pre-electronic engine control car (OBD-II) and drive that around.
Why not just say the N63 2008 to 20013 was problematic! BMW rightfully provided a CCP Program to fix the engine. The next generation N63TU corrected most of the problems and has been a pretty reliable engine if taken care of. Change the oil every 5000 miles. Don’t rag the car out! It is a beautiful powerful sedan not a drift or track car! So tired of listening to all the negativity!
Hello Nathan! I’ve been following your work for a little while now. Great subject.. I currently own 3 bmw’s, a 2005 E60 545 with 214,000+ that I have done all the usually gaskets and seals on over the years and is my daily driver. My wife drives a 2011 X5 E70 Xdrive35 with 135,000+ that I picked up cheap 10,000 miles ago because it needed an oil pan gasket and we have had a 2006 E53 X5 3.0 that I bought from the original owner when it had 189,000 on it and now has 227,000 that runs like a tank and I keep it as a spare because I own the other 2 older BMW’s I mentioned.. It currently needs a blower motor. I have also owned a 1988 e34 535, 1997 E39, 540 6spd and 2006 E90 325Xi. Out of them all the E60 is probably the funniest to drive and I had been strongly considering another E70 or F15 with a V8 because I like the torque and higher hp ratings on the newer engine but you have totally convinced me to stay away from the N63 motor. Ive strongly been considering a Porsche Cayenne with a V8 so I guess I’ll keep that in my focus going forward. Okay all that said, I would like to hear what the thoughts on the N55 engines are. Short of the pan gasket or other gasket issues, I’ve read and seen issues with premature cam bearings failing, what else? I am looked at a 2012 Xdrive35 with 197,500 thats needs a water pump that I might be able to pick up a bargain pricing. Thanks
I wonder if you could pop an n62 in those cars. I love/hate my n62 in my 05 X5. When they're running properly they're great. Bought this one for 500 with a bad engine. Got lucky with a junkyard engine for $400. I swapped out the stock thermostat and popped in a 90c thermo. Those high Temps is what kills everything on these engines.
2011 750LI 60K miles the engine was taken care of by the civil suit. If the N63 is rebuilt, will that alleviate the concerns? If I purchased the long block from BMW and replace the engine, will it last longer? We missed all the bad news before we purchased the car. Thanks in advance for your help. Bery Good Video
This engine is like a spam caller, just when you think you got them blocked it will sneak up on you nickle and dime you. Every time you open up the engine compartment you break something plastic, CCV valve, etc. or it just disintegrate out of think air like the plastic coolant line or valve seals that cost as much as new engine..run away from this engine and fast.
Lead free bearings are a big issue,they blow up from spinning the rod bearings and welding them to the crank journal,lead bearing can resolve some of that.not much can be done about the valve stem seals, the engine gets to hot and cooks them. Everything is very labor intensive to repair on it and due to complexity there is almost always something leaking,failing,ect.
Bought a 14’ 550i RWD with 60k back in July, 10k later not a single problem. (Excluding general repairs like coolant lines, Coils, Spark Plugs done @ 65k, possibly broken plastic pieces) I thankfully haven’t seen any major issues. No oil consumption whatsoever. Every 5k gets oil changed with either Valvoline or Castrol Edge 5w-30 along with Lucas Oil Stabilizer. One thing I learned that’s crucial is that you run 91 or higher octane!! Tried cheating with 89 and began throwing knock codes and that’s when I knew, I Fucked up… Says 91 is required but could be 93 for optimal performance. Fuel injector cleaner poured in twice during the 5k interval. (So once after the oil change 0 Miles and the second time around halfway into your interval which would be 2500ish miles. TU is definitely a much more reliable engine.
M20, M30, M50, M52 (pre tu) cast iron blocks/aluminum head engines. Keep the oil changed (and, in some cases, the valve adjusted and timing belts up to date) and they’d run for ever.
I had a 2013 bmw 550i it had the n63 one day my friend drove it and now it won’t start or turn over unless the only way to turn over is by using the starter wire but still won’t start
I was about to buy a 2015 bmw 650i today that needed a new engine due to u joint breaking and putting a hole in the block. Car looks nice 120,000 kms but after watching your video I think I'm gonna take a pass. What you said is 100% right
BMW isn't know for V8s. They sound amazing and produce serious power but they suck on reliability. If you want a twin turbo V8, get a C63. Those engines are much better.
I learned the Hard way. I bought a 16k 2011 bmw 550i & spent 16k on new engine (zero miles). It took 8 months to put back together total. Shipping was the worst part, but I got it running now. I do all maintenance on the car & so far no issues other than just maintenance... it was a nightmare now I think aboutbit
I have a 2011 550 xDrive m-sport since almost 4 years now. When I bought it the motor blew just about 3 months after but that was the stupid first owner who did oil changes at 25k miles and the dealership hide that from me. Ended up with BMW picking up the invoice for a brand new motor and lending me a brand new 5 series every month for over 6 months (new engine was back ordered from germany). It cost BMW over 25k$ in parts, labor and rental cars for a car I bought 18k$. But if you take care of these engines, they can be reliable. I haven’t had a single issue with mine since the engine replacement and I’m highly modified now with the only thing left to mod are the intercoolers and turbos. I do oil changes at 5k and will always wait for the car the get into temp before pushing it and always wait a minute or 2 before shutting it off when I did push. You gotta have common sense when operating a high performance engine, it’s not a 100hp civic 🤷🏻♂️
Smart man 🤝.. too many people carrying over their 100hp mindset into the bigger leagues. I always say, if “discount” is always in your vocabulary, look elsewhere
@@mike619 my thought exactly 👌🏻 BMW’s aren’t made for cheap people. I always say to new owners; if you expect to put 200$ per year on maintenance, get a toyota!
I do the same things on my 2018 X5 with the 4.4 V8. I change the oil every 2,500 to 3,500 miles. I drive it fairly hard, and the oil definitely needs change at those miles. These guys changing at much higher miles are causing most of their issues probably. Least that’s what I was told by a BMW engine mechanic at the dealer as well.
Thanks for this video. I WAS going to get an F10 550 about five years ago but learned about the problems with the N63 engine. I ended up getting an F10 535 instead but you've got me a little worried about my N55 engine with the comments you made in this video about that motor. Please do a video on the N55 engine when you can. I'd like to believe I've treated the car well with maintenance and feel like its treated me well in return but would really like to hear your thoughts and see a video on the N55 engine from you. Thanks again for what you do on this channel.
binniedj it’s easy. Injectors, coils, hvfp, water pump thermostat , oil filter adapter, belt and tensioner , turbos , intake valves walnut shell blasting , couple of coolant hoses , valve cover gasket, oil pan gasket. It’s not the engine that is the issue , it’s all the stuff on it.
I've had my 2011 e90 n55 for almost 3years. I have to say it's been pretty reliable (knock on wood 🤛)!!!!! I got the car with 36k miles on it and now its pushing close to 70k. The only issues I've had was cracked coolant reservoir (easy/cheap fix ) and power steering pump went out (cost me $400). What's impressed me the most about the car is how its held up with running a tune and a few other bolt-ons with no other issues!!! That includes some hwy runs almost every weekend in good ol Mexico and week day city driving. I'm sure you've heard maintenance is the key to keeping these motors running well. That definitely is true! Just make sure u stay on your scheduled maintenance! It also helps with cost if you can do some of the wrenching yourself. What makes these cars super expensive is having to take it to your mechanic every time you encounter an issue! Theres plenty of n55 parts out there, so there not to expensive if you do some shopping around for them.
I did valve covers on this n63 2013 750i and now car has long start and crank sensor missing signal code checked all my connections and everything is connected
I love my550i xdrive but she blewup the other day. The dealership said that it would be about 16k to replace engine and various components. Question is it BMW still liable for that engine since it falls under the protocols of the recall??
Bmw has a recall on this engine well sorta.... customer satisfactory bulletin which they will install a new engine into ur bmw for free too 10k depending on the miles. Clean title or salvage does not matter
This was an awesome video!!! I was talking to a friend back on the 5th of January, and he was talking about buying a 2015 750. I knew they had problems but this is ridiculous and very discouraging.
This is full owner fault. I have a 2013 650 convertible, and 2014 550 sedan. 140k on the 650, and about 120k on the 550. I have had 0 issues with either. I haven't even done the timing chains on either (just ordered all the timing related parts for the 650) transmission services done on time or earlier, engine oil changed at 3k to 3.5k max. Coolant done every 3 years on both cars. Maintain it and it's good to go. People want to drive nice cars, but treat it like a 98 corolla. Then get upset when it grenades.
Agreed, Good luck buying any new BMW engine of any of their vehicles for under $15k with installation. Had issues with multiple BMW’s with N series engines. Now have a 430i convertible, which has been flawless B48 engine. I’m picking up a 2019 CPO 740xi with B58 engine. I’m also suspicious of the newest engines after 2022, when they upped the internal pressures for EU fuel requirements. The first generation B series engines are the way to go, plus amazing Gas mileage.
N63 . My 550gt dash display looked like a Christmas light. Every warning light was on. Dsc, abs, and etc. I’m terrified of anything bmw makes even if it’s a T-shirt .
I have an 2011 550i gt. I love the car a lot. But yea the engine is not good. I haven’t had any major problems but do know the it has bad heat problems (obviously from the two turbos in the v) and some times the engine runs too lean or rich. Definitely a ticking time bomb. But loved the video and making people aware. I probably not going to buy any bmw after this one
@@aaronglacier9213 I was only at 48k miles when I wrote this but I'm at 90k now unfortunately. the cars a beast and still going strong with no major repairs after the Y line which cracks after 50k miles especially for a 2012. great car I love it and really don't want nothing new
@@jasonsmall1279 that eases my anxiety a bit with this car. I’m in love with it but am aware of others misfortune &’ hope I’m spared with mine as you have been
This engine is the reason many BMW owners switch to the (perceived) simplicity of the Tesla. No Vanos, no Valvetronic, no leaking main seals, no turbo drain seals, no valve stem seal leaks, no coolant leaks etc. Tesla has their issues, but BMW makes HORRIBLE V8s and their ridiculous depreciation proves it.
I got trapped. 2011 550i. Got quoted 9k to fix valve seals, timing chain and replace vanos. I came from an e60 m5 thinking this would be more reliable 🤦🏽♂️
I work on my BMW X6 50i myself and im a youtube mechanic lol...its a 2010,, 35,000 miles when purchase in 2015 and in 2021 I still have it with 79,000 miles...yeaaaaaa
I found most people who own and drive a BMW and who have most issues are the ones still driving the older cheaper models previous to 2018. 😂 Sir what year and model is that “thing” behind you?
Been there done that. I bought 2011 550i with rod bearings issue, found the engine from reputable junk yard (6 months warranty ), replaced it. First start - bearing issue... ( even though after inspection before instal, bearings looked fairly ok). Due to warranty, got another engine, after replacing again, and driving 10 miles - valve steam seals issue (smoking really bad). Now, the car is not my problem anymore. Moral of the story - run away from these cars! Unless you have a shop, tons of knowledge and not afraid to drop bank on them.
Sorry man everything you put up is no good bmw put out good v8 motors and the turbo 6 are good too man the e60 m5 was a good motor as I said rod bearings are not hard to do the n63 burns oil the new one are good stick to the n52 that’s where your knowledge is at
This guy didn't make it clear how BMW has changed the N63 series from its original N63 engine. He should study before posting video. I think googling idea is more reliable his hypothetical opinion. Get a different advice from your local mechanic for the latest N63 engine.
Best way to buy the 7 series is 4 years old 35k miles or less 60% discount drive it for 3 years trade in repeat process. Sell it for half paid. Keep the miles low pass the grenade along. Their not meat last because the premium paid by new owners is for warranty covered drivers
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N63B44. Maintenance is key: 5k mile synthetic oil changes, all fluids always topped off, super unleaded fuel only, and frequent full throttle pulls. The engine is a beast, but a lot of people buy these cars for the prestige, and are lazy and or too cheap to properly maintain them. My n63 has 192k miles, and runs like a top. I enjoy spanking pickup truck drivers everywhere. But wanna play, gotta pay.
@@UT3CTF I have a BMW shop and I have service over 1600 BMWs. Mostly V8 550, 650 and 750s. I can tell you that I have 3 customers with 300K miles on the 745 and 750s. When I did valve stem seals on the engines, they looked like new inside. The customers all change their oil faithfully at 5K miles. I know the oil can go a lot longer but, if you keep clean oil in the engine the dirty oil doesn't eat up the plastic components as fast. Timing guides, breather hoses, turbo ducts etc.... The turbo feed and return lines don't get clogged . When tell people to change their oil every 5K miles, they tell me BMW says change it at 11K, 15K etc and I ask them who car is it yours or BMW. I have a 2016 BMW X5D, 2011 BMW 550i, and a 2014 Porsche Panamera 4S and I change my oil every 5K too!!! Trust me It make a difference.
@@michaelbrown306 hey Michael! Talk to me please about X5 f15 15/16 50i if I manage to find a well treaten truck what I can expect? And what is the worst scenario exept a new engine :D?
192k on a bmw v8.. What mods did you run?
@@dParakeetNo mods so far, but I got recommended and bought the 3 inch downpipes, but have yet to get them installed soon. It’s up to 229k miles, and running excellent. Knock on wood…
It largely comes down to engine care. A lot of people get in over their head and cut corners, or prolong maintenance.
My 750i has 147k miles and has been well cared for, no big issues. Love it.
Exactly. People don't do any maintenance or upkeep on their engines at the regular intervals then blame the company for when stuff goes wrong. 😂
Boys are exactly right. You can’t think for an idiot, if they only listen to the dashboard and follow the 10k plus oil change intervals etc, it’s not bmw’s fault it’s your fault!!😭
I have a BMW repair shop and I am a used auto dealer in GA. All I buy is 2009-2012 BMW 550, 650, and 750s with bad engines for $2500 -$4500. I rebuild the engines or replace and then I sell them. I change the head gaskets, timing chains, all gaskets, seals, and oil cooler hoses. I won't sell them unless the timing chains have been done because, with the long oil change intervals, the timing guides break and cause the engine to jump timing and lock up. The dirty oil causes the plastic timing guides to become brittle and break. I have found that the guides stay flexible and don't break if people have been changing the oil at 5000 miles or less. Changing the oil at 5,000 miles should keep clean oil in the engine and prevent the timing chain guides from breaking until over 200K miles. I have a 12 BMW Alpina B7, 17 BMW X5, and 14 Porsche Panamera. I change the oil at 5,000 miles like clockwork. I love these engines but, I can work on them.
Thanks for sharing Mike. Great information.
The N-63TU does fine if they are maintained regularly. You can't beat the HP and Torque for the money. Additionally, parts aren't horrible unless we look at coil packs, turbos, and a few other things; the most significant part of the cost is labor. I work on my own and love it.
The reports and experiences with N63[B44]TÜ like yours here, is exactly why I decided to go for a CPO F11 550i , which is absolutely rare even here in Germany
Your milage may vary...literally
My well maintained TU died. Locked up tight af out of nowhere. Definitely an improvement over the original as it lasted 90k miles, but still unacceptable in the grand scheme of vehicle reliability.
@@dpro5321 the motor seized ???
@christopherclaure6689 yes. Bearing failure. Mostly due to the long distance between oil changes that BMW so carelessly suggest when they came out.
Thank you for at least addressing the N63 engine!!! Everyone is so so scared to even talk about this engine or let alone work on it. Some of these mechanics aren't real. I work on mine myself, reading alot and researching.
Mad respect.😎
You Sir...have balls. Same engine here...and I'm terrified of touching it. LOL.
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@@UT3CTF drive train malfunction, air compressor shot, seat bolster gear broken, ccv hose cracked. Smoking from tailpipe(class action lawsuit fixed by BMW FOR FREE)
@@750gg how many miles are you at now? And what year?
Also depends on how the car was treated. My dads 2013 750li (n63tu) has 163k miles everything is original. He has it since 81k and hasn’t replaced anything but oil changes and stuff like that.
Good for him not all motors will suffer from the same I suppose.
Checking the cilinder walls is easy with endoscope.
Safe drive !
Mine blew at 105k, bought at 67k
@@shanejones578 was it an n63tu?
@@andrecampbell4532 yup, no prior warnings and no CEL just threw a bearing going down the highway in cruise control last week
@@andrecampbell4532 13 650ix GC, tu1
The n63 is a common problem🤣
Love/hate relationship with my n63. Got the earliest variant in my 2009 750i. Thanks for the vid. Definitely agree, the engine is like one of those prescription drug commercials. Sides effects may include: oil consumption, coolant leaks, drivetrain malfunctions... and engine blowing up.
Benefits includes: respect and admiration from friends, no tailgating from other drivers, 0-60 time in warp speed, women, enjoyable driving experience, did I say women??😄😎
I also have a 2009 750Li. When is running is awesome, but I'm never surprised anymore when the check engine light comes on. What I really wish is that I could keep the engine but got rid of the turbos.
But this being 2020, the N63 should be problem-free by now. BMW has had 11 years to perfect the thing.
@Tj Semeniuk But the women who are attracted to BMW owners are women with level 10 looks.😍😄😎
@Tj Semeniuk Level 10 women with good personality exist.😄
@Tj Semeniuk 💯😎
I have recently purchased a 2010 750 Li. I took it to BMW to update the iDrive and they said they wouldn’t touch it as it hadn’t been to BMW for service for over 2 years however they would do a load of work, including replacing the injectors, all for free on the manufacturers recall. So definitely worth going in to BMW to check out if they will do this to anyone’s that is playing up
I agree with Nathan that it makes sense to avoid these engines if you can spring for something newer with the N63TU or N63TU2. It's a numbers game. If you get one cheap you can have a fun car, but be prepared to spend a little. Short blocks aren't that bad and you can go that route if things get out of hand and you still want to keep the car. Speed costs money, how fast do you want to go...?
2012 BMW 750Li xDrive, work on everything myself, don't buy one if you don't want to spend money on maintenance. Do not neglect it and avoid doing preventative maintenance to it. If you are not mechanically inclined, going to the shop every issue will leave you broke.
I'm rocking an old M62TUB44 in my 2001 540i. It's on 148k and I'm going to have the front timing guides, chains, sprockets and vanos units replaced and I'm hoping it should be good for another 15 years / 100k miles
I had an 02 M-sport with 275k miles
Flying cars everywhere and you still oldschooling in 2001 540 :d
Vanos should be rebuilt, the sprockets don't wear on those. You just need a timing chain & guides
I have a 2013 X5 50i with a new engine replaced under the class action settlement after multiple failed valve stem repairs. Now this new engine I’ve seen burning oil (which dealer says is normal...btw that’s what they tried to say when I reported issues under warranty at 28k miles-clearly not normal). Didn’t get to get the replacement until 68k miles at which point was at shared cost of $1500 to me 😫 and well today, she’s now overheating... I’m sure they’ll tell me that’s normal too or it’s definitely not the engine right??!!! Sucks to be stuck in one if these while upside down not that I could ever sell it to someone else with good conscience. Oh and by the way they tried to say it’s worth would be increased due to new engine, so I tested them and they offered me 10k for it 😆😆😆 must laugh or will cry. Sorry for the rant but if anyone was wondering....strongly do not recommend.
I also have the same model with engine replaced under the Bang class action. I noticed the first fill was low SAPS LL12 oil and the dealer actually said that was the new standard but cannot see that listed anywhere. So I am 40K miles in and change the oil myself every 5K miles and am getting 1 MPG better fuel consumption and don’t even need to top up the oil between changes. My hypothesis is the LL1 oil specified in the US being high SAPS is not good for the valve stem seals and is not necessary now given US gasoline is the same standard as Europe. Maintaining this procedure has made this engine ultra reliable “so far” with no increased oil consumption even while running an ESS tune the whole time.
The N63B44M3 that’s in 2018 and above vehicles is basically a re-engineered N63 and is reliable...so far. In fact, I’m kinda surprised they kept the n63 designation. It’s still a little nuclear reactor so time will tell what all that residual heat will do to the components.
Thought they fixed the issues .I uh an n63
And it’s a nightmare on the oil consumption and the issues. With these seals and rubbers .
Why buy a car and every 50k miles your afraid u need to pay 6/7/8/9/10 grand in expenses to fix.
Don’t drive those things in sport mode
Don’t step on the gas insanely and for long periods of time
Change oil on time & have oil additives
Seen people have solutions to those problems that bmw should have done themselves .
Ventilations, heat shielding,
And bmw and mechanics over charge .
The bmw dealer should have a sorry note to customers by charging less than 2k for repairs to n63’s and make stronger better parts everytime
@@48hourrecordsteam45sport mode has nothing to do with these falling apart😂😂😂😂
@@hexagonosaurus5848 there is reasons ,
And excessive race driving ,
Revving , over heating
@@48hourrecordsteam45 sport mode has nothing to do with that
@@hexagonosaurus5848 Jesus fuckinh Christ man, leave me the fuck alone
I have a 13’ 550i. I nuked the stock motor at about 80k miles. Threw a rod into orbit. Put a new long block in for $11k. Running strong at 111k miles.... for now. Might tune it, catless down pipe it, delete the resonators and hoon it for all she’s worth. Might get a week out of the n63, might get an hour. That’s the fun of it.
Did BMW hire all the engine designers that Chrysler laid off?
You called it
I'm old school, BMW makes great 6 cylinder engines.
Mark L. Any inline 6 before the n51/n52 you’re golden. Pre 2006!!!
@@Yolonda69420 I like my N52K's i have 2 of them. One M52 and one N54.
Yup m54 over here 💪🏽
@Lauren Anderson only when you don't maintain it. Stock tune, Mines almost at 200k :)
Of all the old bmws I've had, the m57 is my favorite - sounds like a tractor, but damn it runs smooth
You do realize that bmw now offers rebuilt longblocks from the dealer for $3800 out the door. Included waterpump.
Lol 4 years later
I have two friends with the same car . Both drive a 2011 750i . One has never had a problem and the other sold it super cheap because the engine ceased . They both had 120,000 km approximately on their cars . It's also luck of the draw . I love n55 535i but would never take this risk .
i work in Finland as a mechanic we have BMW service and a 750i came in that a customer was test driving a car from an another dealership and it blew up on the test drive lol i guess he was lucky 😂
What year? Is the 2019-2020 n63 better? Like in m850i
@@agreatdyeah
I thought the n62 was unreliable. The n63 makes the n62 look like a Toyota engine. 😂
N63TU is solid. I encourage any of your subscribers to look it up. You might find a few with a few problems...but its definitely not a trend. N63TU was put in 750's 2014-2018. 550 and down are all trash IMO...they dilute the brand
I have the new N63tu in my 2013 BMW 750i. The N63tu started in 2013 for the 750. And 2014 for the 550
@@joe7801 didnt know that...how has it been for you?? im at 80,000 miles...flawless. it does eat oil though...and other than the hideous run flats...shes been a dream
I have a bmw 550i 2014 with the n63tu with 87000 miles on it. I have changed 2 ignition coils and 8 sparkplugs after it got misfire on cylinder 1 and 2. Only problem for me so far.
@@nedlles123 what codes did it shoot? Did it say "damaging exhaust gas after starting up"
@@gruponemesis I got misfire cylinder 1 and 2 codes
@Nathan’s BMW Workshop don’t forget about the valve stem seals, easy $2 grand if you have a mechanic do it, obviously much cheaper if you can swap them out yourself. Of course you’ll have to either rent or purchase the valve stem seal tool kit as well, and have a good 20-30 labor hours combined with mechanical experience. Anyone who has excessive smoking out of their exhaust after a long period of idling should first replace their PCV’s, it’s definitely worth a shot before replacing the valve stem seals because it can resolve the issue for much cheaper and a much easier DIY job, there’s a great TH-cam channel called Tim’s BMW Repairs and Information. This guy knows his stuff just like Nathan and his videos are extremely informative.
why can’t they just move the turbos 😞 so it can stop messing up
Exactly!!!!!
11 minute video could have been summarized in 2 minutes:
1. Great and powerful engine when it works
2. Known to have problems - especially earlier ones
3. Buying a used one with a blown engine doesn't make sense.
4. Avoid 1-3 by only buying these cars with a warranty.
Ok maybe 1 minute.
Wonder how the M850i N63 is holding up? That’s the (newest) N63 engine. It been out for 2 years and haven’t heard any negatives.
You are exactly right Nathan, bmw purposely put engines out for sale knowing problems are gonna show up, and they only address issues in the next newer model, a slap in previous owners faces😂
I'd rather deal with fixable issues like that on a E60 M5 than gamble with an ebay engine replacement + headaches you mentioned. Great info, thanks.
I agree I rather have n63 problem then v10
knock on wood...I've driven my 2016 650i for 70k miles with no issues. No excessive oil consumption or anything. Perfect engine as far as I'm concerned. Guess I'm one of the lucky ones?
Yes, you are one of the lucky ones. I hope you NEVER EVER experience what a lot of us are going through.
Alll engines after 2014 have had a decent upgrade. Then again 2018. They have become extremely reliable. Most people just hear the problems of the early versions in combination with owners that couldn't or wouldn't afford decent maintenance...
So how many of these problems are due to neglected oil changes (like following the BMW schedule)?
Good question.🤔
I owned an X6 with the N63 and the owner before me never changed the oil once in 40k miles. Wish I saw that when I bought it!
Lol come on man, most of these people who buy these cars actually want them to keep running. The motor is trash period. I know two people who never beat on their cars and it was services religiously and they still grenaded lol. Car looks great but motors garbage.
@@goldgrows7706 Wow that sucks! Surprised it ran that long without blowing up.
They’re due to the heat they have the exhaust and turbos in the middle of the engine which causes engine to just deteriorate🤦🏽♂️
OLNY THE OLDER VERSIONS had major issues. This motor has been revised and is a completely different engine then the 2012 era
Cool 😎
From an E70 N63 owner. This engine is horrible. I repeat, this engine is horrible. Do NOT buy anything BMW V8 Twin Turbo, period
Wow man! Thanks for another informative video spot on Bimmer engines. As an old soldier that spent a few years in Germany based there in the late 70’ to early 90’s. BMW was like a King on the autobahns. The cars were workhorses and didn’t have the issues you find on the modern newer cars (Bimmers)of today... I suspect the design of the cars ie engines now days are crap... don’t know how the quality control got so bad in manufacturing these cars that I have had a passion for over the years. I own and 99 745i and a 03 325xi... have small issues with them as they are well worn cars and I can fix the items that fail in normal wear and tear.... it’s a shame that people have gotten stuck with a big loan on a car that has Grenade on them.... and have to try to sell it in a market on the cars that have recalls and for major engine failures.... again thx for the lessons on these cars ..... enjoying your car projects on maintenance and upgrades!!! 😊🇺🇸😎
Sage advice, and scary too. Luckily my dream car has the S54 engine (E86 Z4M Coupe). I hope you have no grenade stories about that one! :)
longbowdt the s54 is one of the greatest engines of all time, this is gonna be praised like the 2jz
Gone are the days you can make an M50 or M54 go 300k miles.
CBenz facts my m54 is 147k still goin strong!
My n62b44a has 409k kilometers but the n63 is much worse
My n63 has 171k miles
@@dantemontalvo8709 2011 550i
@@jabraan1360 An F10 AND an early model N63????? Jesus the luck on you man. Good on you
This engine would be so good if they moved the exhaust to the bottom and not in the middle of the engine all that heat is what causes the engine to fail 🤦🏽♂️
I have an 11 F10 550 with the N63. My girlfriend bought it used. It is a joke! quart go oil after 700 miles! (And this after I had the voluntary recall also known as the "customer care package"!) That included new valve seals. It did reduce the smoke bellowing out of exhaust.But it still burns oil! Next the coolant needs refills often! After getting some work done on it for a fuel pump...The battery caught on fire one night driving it home. They replaced everything in the trunk area...FREE! Needed to replace Ignition Coils too! Now stuff that I do not see much that I am sure happens on a lot of BMW Interiors...Button decals rub off. There is this gooey crap that is where the door handle is inside the car. Is rubs off on your hand when opening the car. It is SHIT! But I have 130,000 on it. :)
Watching this video will make Scotty Kilmer happy!😁
Just get a Toyota
I absolutely cannot stand that guy & his videos
@@robertsrepairmobileservice9104 Why?? His delivery can be annoying, but most of his advice is solid.
@@6lemans10 No it's not. Scotty Kilmer is a complete “non car guy” propped-up boring Asian car nut hugging clown. Last person I’d take car buying advice from.
So, bmw sells the n63 for about 5k retail price. Full long block. They dropped the price for the class action against them.
I work at a BMW shop. I replace one a month.
Since when? Current list price on a new N63B44A long block, part number 11002296775 is $30,008.83.
can you hook a brother up wtih more info? like @mike L said, it's 30k in the US on the internet
Tie Bei bmw of mainline here in the Philadelphia area is where the shop I work for sources the long blocks.
I work at VAC Motorsports. Feel free to call and get if you are actually interested in an engine Parts and labor it’s normally well under 12k
Mike L I have no idea when this started, but I have personally replaced 3 within 6 months.
Non of which had 30k price tags. 5k normally, and if my wrong it’s not by much.
@@neverendingcarproject thanks for the heads up. I am withing driving distance from Philly. I appreciate the tip!
n47 328d Still Going strong Nathan! no issues and sitting at 86,000miles. Peered into the valve cover the other day and everything is spotless. Extremely clean. Not even oil stained. I almost wonder if the engine was replaced before i got it its so clean.
N62 will be my last v8 from
BMW, I’m afraid to touch n63, n62 in 08-10 much more reliable than early n62 engines. Still they love to leak oil. But I can fix that.
My 07 550i has 178k miles and I just fixed an oil leak other than that solid.
Huh. All this is covered up to 110,000 miles by BMW on my 2014 X6 with the N63tu. Had the valve seal wear at 45K miles COVERED 100% by BMW. The “tu” turbo waste gate issue were fixed. The “tu” was introduced in 2013.
I am happy with my M54B30 engine now it has had all the bits done to it 👍
And this is why expensive high tech cars with high miles are (effectively) worthless,they simply cost too much to fix, and the great complexity means that you will have to replace a lot of expensive modules. Much better to buy a pre-electronic engine control car (OBD-II) and drive that around.
"The N63 is like picking up girls at Walmart"
Nathan is nuts!!!!!!!
Too funny!
You can take the Girl out of the trailer park but you can't take the trailer park out of the girl
Why not just say the N63 2008 to 20013 was problematic! BMW rightfully provided a CCP Program to fix the engine.
The next generation N63TU corrected most of the problems and has been a pretty reliable engine if taken care of.
Change the oil every 5000 miles. Don’t rag the car out! It is a beautiful powerful sedan not a drift or track car!
So tired of listening to all the negativity!
You can buy a brand new from dealer for less than 5k I get them for 3k w commercial acct
Always talking the truth, love the channel man
Thank you you have just talked me out of buying one.
Good vid
Hello Nathan! I’ve been following your work for a little while now. Great subject.. I currently own 3 bmw’s, a 2005 E60 545 with 214,000+ that I have done all the usually gaskets and seals on over the years and is my daily driver. My wife drives a 2011 X5 E70 Xdrive35 with 135,000+ that I picked up cheap 10,000 miles ago because it needed an oil pan gasket and we have had a 2006 E53 X5 3.0 that I bought from the original owner when it had 189,000 on it and now has 227,000 that runs like a tank and I keep it as a spare because I own the other 2 older BMW’s I mentioned.. It currently needs a blower motor. I have also owned a 1988 e34 535, 1997 E39, 540 6spd and 2006 E90 325Xi. Out of them all the E60 is probably the funniest to drive and I had been strongly considering another E70 or F15 with a V8 because I like the torque and higher hp ratings on the newer engine but you have totally convinced me to stay away from the N63 motor. Ive strongly been considering a Porsche Cayenne with a V8 so I guess I’ll keep that in my focus going forward. Okay all that said, I would like to hear what the thoughts on the N55 engines are. Short of the pan gasket or other gasket issues, I’ve read and seen issues with premature cam bearings failing, what else? I am looked at a 2012 Xdrive35 with 197,500 thats needs a water pump that I might be able to pick up a bargain pricing. Thanks
I really like my 2009 750Li, but I hate the engine oil consumption. It's insane.
I just bought a 2012 650i with 65k miles ... 7 days later timing chain messed up and engine started misfiring 🤦🏻♂️
That's part of the recall or customer care package lol
@@lexus0829 what if they say that customer care isn’t available to you
The old N63s are bad. 2008-2015ish. 99% of the issuee have been fixed on the newer models.
I wonder if you could pop an n62 in those cars. I love/hate my n62 in my 05 X5. When they're running properly they're great. Bought this one for 500 with a bad engine. Got lucky with a junkyard engine for $400. I swapped out the stock thermostat and popped in a 90c thermo. Those high Temps is what kills everything on these engines.
It's hard not love these cars and not be scared to buy one 🤦🏾♂️ just bought a 2011 BMW x5 50i 🥴
Sell it fast asap now don’t wait , get a 2013 and up
2011 750LI 60K miles the engine was taken care of by the civil suit. If the N63 is rebuilt, will that alleviate the concerns? If I purchased the long block from BMW and replace the engine, will it last longer? We missed all the bad news before we purchased the car. Thanks in advance for your help. Bery Good Video
This engine is like a spam caller, just when you think you got them blocked it will sneak up on you nickle and dime you. Every time you open up the engine compartment you break something plastic, CCV valve, etc. or it just disintegrate out of think air like the plastic coolant line or valve seals that cost as much as new engine..run away from this engine and fast.
😅😅😅
This Guys is a Broken Record on the N63 . 2013 was the low point and its improved since then, Its NOT the same premises. Who pays this clown ?
Lead free bearings are a big issue,they blow up from spinning the rod bearings and welding them to the crank journal,lead bearing can resolve some of that.not much can be done about the valve stem seals, the engine gets to hot and cooks them. Everything is very labor intensive to repair on it and due to complexity there is almost always something leaking,failing,ect.
Bought a 14’ 550i RWD with 60k back in July, 10k later not a single problem. (Excluding general repairs like coolant lines, Coils, Spark Plugs done @ 65k, possibly broken plastic pieces) I thankfully haven’t seen any major issues. No oil consumption whatsoever. Every 5k gets oil changed with either Valvoline or Castrol Edge 5w-30 along with Lucas Oil Stabilizer. One thing I learned that’s crucial is that you run 91 or higher octane!! Tried cheating with 89 and began throwing knock codes and that’s when I knew, I Fucked up… Says 91 is required but could be 93 for optimal performance. Fuel injector cleaner poured in twice during the 5k interval. (So once after the oil change 0 Miles and the second time around halfway into your interval which would be 2500ish miles. TU is definitely a much more reliable engine.
Avoid ANY V8 from BMW period!
"N63, its like picking up chicks at Wallmart" 😂😂😂
Are there any BMWs that don't have "issues" that make them cost more than they're worth? Probably a rhetorical question.
Josh P YES THEY ARE BUT HE WONT TALK ABOUT IT because it’s not clickbait
M20, M30, M50, M52 (pre tu) cast iron blocks/aluminum head engines. Keep the oil changed (and, in some cases, the valve adjusted and timing belts up to date) and they’d run for ever.
I had a 2013 bmw 550i it had the n63 one day my friend drove it and now it won’t start or turn over unless the only way to turn over is by using the starter wire but still won’t start
I was about to buy a 2015 bmw 650i today that needed a new engine due to u joint breaking and putting a hole in the block. Car looks nice 120,000 kms but after watching your video I think I'm gonna take a pass. What you said is 100% right
BMW isn't know for V8s. They sound amazing and produce serious power but they suck on reliability. If you want a twin turbo V8, get a C63. Those engines are much better.
I learned the Hard way. I bought a 16k 2011 bmw 550i & spent 16k on new engine (zero miles). It took 8 months to put back together total. Shipping was the worst part, but I got it running now. I do all maintenance on the car & so far no issues other than just maintenance... it was a nightmare now I think aboutbit
So avoid a 2011 with like 84k miles? It had the CCP done. Would that improve reliability, or will it grenade?
I have a 2011 550 xDrive m-sport since almost 4 years now. When I bought it the motor blew just about 3 months after but that was the stupid first owner who did oil changes at 25k miles and the dealership hide that from me. Ended up with BMW picking up the invoice for a brand new motor and lending me a brand new 5 series every month for over 6 months (new engine was back ordered from germany). It cost BMW over 25k$ in parts, labor and rental cars for a car I bought 18k$.
But if you take care of these engines, they can be reliable. I haven’t had a single issue with mine since the engine replacement and I’m highly modified now with the only thing left to mod are the intercoolers and turbos.
I do oil changes at 5k and will always wait for the car the get into temp before pushing it and always wait a minute or 2 before shutting it off when I did push. You gotta have common sense when operating a high performance engine, it’s not a 100hp civic 🤷🏻♂️
Smart man 🤝.. too many people carrying over their 100hp mindset into the bigger leagues. I always say, if “discount” is always in your vocabulary, look elsewhere
@@mike619 my thought exactly 👌🏻
BMW’s aren’t made for cheap people. I always say to new owners; if you expect to put 200$ per year on maintenance, get a toyota!
@@SINasTER75 or learn to DIY
I do the same things on my 2018 X5 with the 4.4 V8. I change the oil every 2,500 to 3,500 miles. I drive it fairly hard, and the oil definitely needs change at those miles. These guys changing at much higher miles are causing most of their issues probably. Least that’s what I was told by a BMW engine mechanic at the dealer as well.
Nathan thank you for making this video. Maybe in the near future you can make some videos on repairs on this N63 I know that's asking a lot lol.
The Most common problem of n63 is the cylinder misfire. I hate that, I’m just pay 3k to fix it
Thanks for this video. I WAS going to get an F10 550 about five years ago but learned about the problems with the N63 engine. I ended up getting an F10 535 instead but you've got me a little worried about my N55 engine with the comments you made in this video about that motor. Please do a video on the N55 engine when you can. I'd like to believe I've treated the car well with maintenance and feel like its treated me well in return but would really like to hear your thoughts and see a video on the N55 engine from you. Thanks again for what you do on this channel.
binniedj it’s easy. Injectors, coils, hvfp, water pump thermostat , oil filter adapter, belt and tensioner , turbos , intake valves walnut shell blasting , couple of coolant hoses , valve cover gasket, oil pan gasket. It’s not the engine that is the issue , it’s all the stuff on it.
@@frankburn6312 Say all that 3 times fast
@@binniedj 😛
I've had my 2011 e90 n55 for almost 3years. I have to say it's been pretty reliable (knock on wood 🤛)!!!!! I got the car with 36k miles on it and now its pushing close to 70k. The only issues I've had was cracked coolant reservoir (easy/cheap fix ) and power steering pump went out (cost me $400). What's impressed me the most about the car is how its held up with running a tune and a few other bolt-ons with no other issues!!! That includes some hwy runs almost every weekend in good ol Mexico and week day city driving. I'm sure you've heard maintenance is the key to keeping these motors running well. That definitely is true! Just make sure u stay on your scheduled maintenance! It also helps with cost if you can do some of the wrenching yourself. What makes these cars super expensive is having to take it to your mechanic every time you encounter an issue! Theres plenty of n55 parts out there, so there not to expensive if you do some shopping around for them.
I did valve covers on this n63 2013 750i and now car has long start and crank sensor missing signal code checked all my connections and everything is connected
I love my550i xdrive but she blewup the other day. The dealership said that it would be about 16k to replace engine and various components. Question is it BMW still liable for that engine since it falls under the protocols of the recall??
what year?
Bmw has a recall on this engine well sorta.... customer satisfactory bulletin which they will install a new engine into ur bmw for free too 10k depending on the miles. Clean title or salvage does not matter
@Darkzero Nightmare a claim form had to be submitted by 10/10/18. That settlement is closed. The case is Bang vs BMW of North America.
@@MrRoss-wv6jp yes that was to get involved into the law suite. But engine exchange is still available.
I wish BMW offered the same service in Germany, based on my discussions with the dealers here in Germany they do not.
This was an awesome video!!! I was talking to a friend back on the 5th of January, and he was talking about buying a 2015 750. I knew they had problems but this is ridiculous and very discouraging.
Show him this video.😑
mine has been rock solid...the 2014 and 2015 750's are the sweet spot IMO
This is full owner fault. I have a 2013 650 convertible, and 2014 550 sedan. 140k on the 650, and about 120k on the 550. I have had 0 issues with either. I haven't even done the timing chains on either (just ordered all the timing related parts for the 650) transmission services done on time or earlier, engine oil changed at 3k to 3.5k max. Coolant done every 3 years on both cars. Maintain it and it's good to go. People want to drive nice cars, but treat it like a 98 corolla. Then get upset when it grenades.
Fantastic Video (as Always) - Thanks :)
Agreed, Good luck buying any new BMW engine of any of their vehicles for under $15k with installation. Had issues with multiple BMW’s with N series engines. Now have a 430i convertible, which has been flawless B48 engine. I’m picking up a 2019 CPO 740xi with B58 engine. I’m also suspicious of the newest engines after 2022, when they upped the internal pressures for EU fuel requirements. The first generation B series engines are the way to go, plus amazing
Gas mileage.
N63 . My 550gt dash display looked like a Christmas light. Every warning light was on. Dsc, abs, and etc. I’m terrified of anything bmw makes even if it’s a T-shirt .
Just talked me out of getting this 2013 BMW 650i with 85k miles it’s the v8 twin turbo.
I love the power
Output, I’m a military technician, is there a way to prevent this from happening? Is there a way to bulletproof it?
Buy an IS-F.
@@nicholasfernandez2573 e55 is crap Lexus is better
I have a question, I have a 2010 BMW 550i that need a valve job because it’s blowing out white smoke from the exhaust is it worth fixing?
I have an 2011 550i gt. I love the car a lot. But yea the engine is not good. I haven’t had any major problems but do know the it has bad heat problems (obviously from the two turbos in the v) and some times the engine runs too lean or rich. Definitely a ticking time bomb. But loved the video and making people aware. I probably not going to buy any bmw after this one
anyone know any video links for replacing the y-line on the n63 engine. I have a 2012 650i
How’s yours doing I just bought a 2012 650i? How many miles you at
@@aaronglacier9213 I was only at 48k miles when I wrote this but I'm at 90k now unfortunately. the cars a beast and still going strong with no major repairs after the Y line which cracks after 50k miles especially for a 2012. great car I love it and really don't want nothing new
@@jasonsmall1279 that eases my anxiety a bit with this car. I’m in love with it but am aware of others misfortune &’ hope I’m spared with mine as you have been
This engine is the reason many BMW owners switch to the (perceived) simplicity of the Tesla. No Vanos, no Valvetronic, no leaking main seals, no turbo drain seals, no valve stem seal leaks, no coolant leaks etc. Tesla has their issues, but BMW makes HORRIBLE V8s and their ridiculous depreciation proves it.
the worst nightmare. vanos broken at 60k miles and the timing chain at 62k. f10 550i
I got trapped. 2011 550i. Got quoted 9k to fix valve seals, timing chain and replace vanos. I came from an e60 m5 thinking this would be more reliable 🤦🏽♂️
I work on my BMW X6 50i myself and im a youtube mechanic lol...its a 2010,, 35,000 miles when purchase in 2015 and in 2021 I still have it with 79,000 miles...yeaaaaaa
I found most people who own and drive a BMW and who have most issues are the ones still driving the older cheaper models previous to 2018. 😂
Sir what year and model is that “thing” behind you?
Been there done that. I bought 2011 550i with rod bearings issue, found the engine from reputable junk yard (6 months warranty ), replaced it. First start - bearing issue... ( even though after inspection before instal, bearings looked fairly ok). Due to warranty, got another engine, after replacing again, and driving 10 miles - valve steam seals issue (smoking really bad). Now, the car is not my problem anymore. Moral of the story - run away from these cars! Unless you have a shop, tons of knowledge and not afraid to drop bank on them.
sometimes smoking is caused by leaking turbos
kinda misleading if title says 2020 and you're talking about the older engines. instead of the newer with with revisions.
So, are there no actually good N63 engines worth co widening in 2020 and newer cars? You’d think they could sort things out over 12 or 16 years. Wow.
What about 2020, 550i, N63TU3 ? If u do oil change every 5k miles and fluids check regularly?
2019 750 what do you think about the newer models
Sorry man everything you put up is no good bmw put out good v8 motors and the turbo 6 are good too man the e60 m5 was a good motor as I said rod bearings are not hard to do the n63 burns oil the new one are good stick to the n52 that’s where your knowledge is at
Have you seen any better results on the n63tu2? 2016 and up okay?
Thanks a lot brother
God bless you
This guy didn't make it clear how BMW has changed the N63 series from its original N63 engine. He should study before posting video. I think googling idea is more reliable his hypothetical opinion.
Get a different advice from your local mechanic for the latest N63 engine.
Best way to buy the 7 series is 4 years old 35k miles or less 60% discount drive it for 3 years trade in repeat process. Sell it for half paid. Keep the miles low pass the grenade along. Their not meat last because the premium paid by new owners is for warranty covered drivers