I like how objective your reviews are. This was most helpful. The consensus among actual cyclists who want to grow the community, is much like yours. "Buy what one can afford w/o sacrificing quality" regardless of manufacturers origin. Another reviewer threw around the word Chinese as if it were the biggest swear in cycling, as if his video weren't sponsored by 'whoever' American brand. Thanks again and keep the videos coming please.
I've just purchased some Chinese 60mm carbon wheels and have taken them out for a.couple of spins. Great so far....i can't fault them as yet. Well worth a punt. Your videos definetely helped me decide to give them a go. Thanks
I bought a set of Wiel 88mm wheels from eBay earlier this year for £360. It's hard to comment on the aerodynamic performance as I fitted them as a package of aero improvements including dropping the TT bars 20mm, moving the elbow pads inwards, shaving legs and changing shoes. The total effect of this was about a 0.5mph improvement to a 22.7mph average for a 10 mile TT. The wheels are rated at 125psi, I race them at 140psi rear, 135 psi front, which I admit is pushing the safety factor a little. The only aero different I can see to a £1200 wheel set is spoke count. My wheels are 20/24 spokes and Zipps are 16/20. Overall I am very satisfied with the wheels and I'm proud to sport an alternative brand. I hope this helps anyone making the decision.
When I use a traditional racing geometry with my road bike my weight is distributed as follows: 38% front, 62% rear. When I use a time-trial or triathlon geometry with aerobars on the same bike my weight is distributed as follows: 47% front, 53% rear. I'm an endurance road cyclist and spend 95% of my time in a the latter position. The force on the front wheel was understated in this video for two reasons: (1) Most of the braking force occurs on the front wheel. This is true on most road grades but is especially true for descents. The likelihood of brake track damage as shown in the video is generally higher on the front wheel than the rear wheel. (2) If a TT or tri geometry is used (as explained above), there will be almost as much weight on the front wheel as the rear.
Brilliant! Clean, clear and precise. As for Chinese made products-most of the products today are Chinese. Specialized, Trek, most seats are made there. Chinese doesn't mean BAD, if it did why would the Big Companies use the factories. When you go to the bike show and see off brand frames, if you know what to look for, you'll see that they are actually famous frames with just a few tweeks.
Someone took the time to design that bike (and then have it produced in China). With a few exceptions (Colnago C60, Look) almost all carbon equipment is made in China (or Taiwan)... So some Chinese stuff is excellent and made for top notch brands some is the same with no stickers and some is shit... Is your chinese iphone shit too?
I'm pretty sure the Freehub shown at 4:50 is actually aluminum. The colour is consistent with hard anodizing- a process which cannot used on steel. I see the same type of "biting" on my aluminum freehubs. I have a couple cheap wheels with steel freehubs and they barely have a scratch on them after a year of usage.
Very informative. I liked how you presented both "cheap" and expensive wheels positives and negatives. Carbon wheels will be my next upgrade and I would like to get the best product for my money. My research continues but you have helped out a great deal.
Great video. Very methodical and doesn't fall into prejudices. I've noticed some Chinese wheel makers give you the option for name brand spokes to assuage worries about painted steel.
+QuickQuips Thank you. Yes, the paint WILL eventually begin to peal depending on climate conditions. One wheelset I have,the paint outlasted the life of the wheels. Living near the seaside,salt air would affect the spokes and nipples quickly.
Yes, bought 38mm road wheels from Carbonzone.Paid with PayPal. Delivered to country NSW in 2 weeks. Packaged boxed very good. I think customs pocked a small finger size hole in the center of the box to put a camera in to have a look. At the Post Office the box was sooo lite the girl asked me what was inside, because big box sooo lite. 3000 klm and more, now 4 months of rough and potholed roads. Riding 4 or 5 days a week and racing on the weekends. Are these wheels good? No,...they are Fantastic... rolling sooo good, aero like cannot imagine. These wheels are magic. But I am short and light 55kg, but I treat them rough. My bike does it all from Cafe rides with the old blokes, racing at home and Gold Coast, hills, mountains, long rough country rides every week. My bike does it all, even to Woolies shopping and out to the beach for a swim. Everyday Carbon I call them. No bullshit, they dont hang on the wall in the garage, they are on the bike. Did the research, got the product. Very Happy. Cheers.
Frederik Yes to a very light weight rider, as you and me(56kg) “chinese” carbon wheels, are the way to go! Cuse alot of people are worried about them collapsing, but it happens more with fake coppies of wheels, chinese BRANDS are much more trustable! Because they have a name to protect! And those companies that make copies, don’t have to worry with their reputation! So try to buy wheels from chinese brands! Not coppies
i spent a good few years riding a steel frame bike with alloy wheels and alloy gear on it and never had the problems you seem to get with carbon. to spend hard earned cash and have that happen I think that carbon is best left to the real pro's and stick to reliability. my trusty old steel and alloy thanks
Gracias, I learned substantially amount of good tips/data; yet, I decided to keep my "Aluminum Vis a Vis F.C.": Fulcrum and Mavic...700c X 28, for our horrible and dangerous road-conditions here in S.D. , California... Cheers!
I bought a Chinese wheelset but I do not buy imitation wheelsets or apply name decals from a seller. Ride them without any decals and say they are chinese wheels which cost half. Same as my frame it has no decals just black carbon, no specialized no Pinarello decals I tell people I 've done my research my bike is as good as any 6000 Euro bike with DI2 and disc brakes only I paid 30% of the price by doing my own assembly.
Europe has been pillaging and robbing China for years to take their things. Capitalism is what forced people off the land and into factories, because sustainable farming and family life is poison to the capitalist. Fuck yourself.
not sure if im drawing this thread off topic, but my take on "Decals" is that along with them comes a "Warrenty package" which of course includes that old sting in the tail.. The price, sure people get lucky, some people like to take risks, cheaper deals can turn out in the long run tobe more exspensive. you choose.
China's biggest customer (er, "pillager") is the U.S. WITHOUT the U.S. pillaging over the past 27 years China would have continued to be similar to North Korea. You say their prices are criminally low? They set their OWN price to compete with India, Taiwan, etc. Neither the U.K. nor the U.S. is 'fixing' Chinese prices; Beijing IS! There are just 7 carbon fiber frame manufacturers in the World last time I checked, 4 are in China, one French on in Tunesia, one in France and one in the USA. Even Cannondales are made in China; the 'robbing pillagers!'
I bought some Chinese wheels in January through Amazon thinking I was saving a fortune compared to a bike shop. The rear wheel failed within 200km, I contacted the supplier and they sent me a new set. These didn't even make it on to my bike, the spokes were loose and the rear wheel was buckled, I sent both sets back and got my money back. A couple of days later I went and bought a Bianchi Aria. I will never put safety over cost again
i know this video is old now, but for those wondering, leucher technik is a very good and informative channel about carbon bike frames and wheels. I recommend you check him out if your thinking about getting some carbon wheels regardless if they are from a famous brand or chinese no name. He even showed that some chinese wheels were better build than some big brands. Edit: just avoid carbon clinchers with v-brakes
Mine lasted 2k miles.. the rear brake started pulsing because the carbon resin was softened from all the heat caused by braking and started to pushing outward. It was kinda my fault.. even branded one will happen.
The standard carbon wheels on my Giant Defy have done 12,000 km. There have been no spoke breakages and the wheels have remained true. I only ride my Carbon bike in good weather and on good sealed roads. PS: I also have upgraded to 28mm tyres as my theory is that its better to have the thicker tyre take all the impacts.
Nice presentation. I do have aluminium axis road bike. Im told that model discontinued. Should I consider getting a full carbon bike like scott foil cr1 from china and who do u suggest I should purchase from. I live in south africa
Tried to look for website to buy wheels but could find it on comments.. Would you provide the address please? Looking into carbon disc wheelset.. Which do you recommend? And why.. Thank you!!!
Got the 88mm chinese rims.took my mechanic a little time to build them onto the hubs but i beat the crap out of them in city riding with heavy sprinting and hard cornering and never had a single issue i loved the hell out of them.i also had spinergy stealth ss that got in a accident when a car cut me off and after being trued up from a nasty wobble i rode the hell out the them for 6 years and never had to true them up more than every few years and i was putting 4-5k on them each year so sometimes you get lucky
Steve, I have recently moved to a hydraulic disk brake road bike (Cannondale Syanpse). I currently run the supplied heavy Aluminium wheels and am considering upgrading. I am 92Kg. Do you have any thoughts on Chinese Carbon Wheels for Disk Brakes. I would have thought that the removal of the requirement for a braking surface on the rim would change the forces at the rim and therefore the rim design. Also what are the implications on hubs and spokes when using disk brakes? Your thoughts would be appreciated. PS since you live very close to the Ocean in Victor Harbour what are your views on steel vs stainless steel spokes?
I dont think I would trust them for rim brake wheels but I have a set for a hardtail mtb and they have been bulletproof on that. They were 375 us shipped. I don't see any reason to spend more.
A good pair of Mavic Open Pro, laced to a beautiful Dura Ace 7900 hubs with stainless steel Sapim 2.0 mm spokes and you has a bombproof wheel set lasting forever.
@@ramonsanabria1472 unas ruedas armadas como dije, cambiando las mazas 7900 por unas 9000 o 9100 para poder usar 11v, no son tan livianas como unas de carbono, pero para uso en ciudad creo que son ideales (commuting).Obviamente no son lo mas adecuado para correr. De todas maneras, podés armar unas ruedas de 1.5 kilos, usando llantas de aluminio si estás dispuesto a gastar mas que en unas de carbono chinas. (Llantas Mavic Pro UST, radios Sapim race). Estamos hablando de un costo de unos 650 dólares, en ebay. (habría que ver costo de envío y tasas de aduana, o si en tu país se consiguen en vez de tener que comprarlas en el exterior.) Podés bajar el costo pero aumentando el peso, cambiando las mazas por unas Ultegra, que siguen siendo excelentes.
@@miguel.martinez.fotografia Muchas gracias para esa buena orientacion , ya yo distingo entre " commuting " y ruedas luvianas para correr , y cosas de alta ciclismo como digas !
Guarantee. During an Ironman 70.3 in Spain in May my tire exploded and this happened going downhill and cornering. My rim got destroyed. I told this to the seller (they have no blame) and asked if and what they could do for me. Immediate answer: we ship a rim for free and you only pay DHL. I have chosen to go for chinees factories because me and my wife do triathlon and it is otherwise unaffordable. Most stuff is coming from china anyway . Took the risk to save 10.000 and so far its worth it.
Hi Oz I got my wheels today build on Powerway R36 and ceramic bearings. I just put on my 11 speed cassette when i noticed that there was a spacer ring in a little bag supplied with it. My old wheel did not have that fitted. Can you tell me where it goes and whether I need this. It also has one side flat machined and the other a bit rounded and polished. It may be for a different installation but no idea. any help would be appreciated.
Hi oz..I would like to ask compared to Chinese carbon rims, I have purchased the wtb Ci24 carbon rims for xc use.. wtb claimed they have done extensive research on these rims it cost me $1100 a pair. Are they much better than the Chinese ones.? What is your opinion?
+palpatine1975 WTB Ci24 rims are excellent all-rounder rims...they are also light in weight. If you can afford them, go for it as Chinese versions will be heavier and may only have after-drilled spoke holes which want take the beating like WTBs layered-carbon reinforced holes.
There is an old saying, buy cheap buy twice. I bought 50mm carbon wheels from yoeleo, within six rides the front wheel cracked around the valve hole making them useless. The rear wheel hub went so stiff it was not safe to use. I contacted yoeleo, and after watching my video said they would send me a front wheel rim which I had to re build using the existing hub and spokes.I would be charged for shipping, then I would have to pay import duty on top. I had to pay £70 import duty before they were released to me. They also said they would send me a new rear hub, but I would be charged for it. My local bike shop said they would not touch Chinese wheels. You takes your chances , I was the unlucky one. There is a reason why you pay so much for proper wheels. I am now left with two useless wheels. The lady at yoeleo was very polite, and returned my e-mails strait away.
I would be curious is there is any wheel set made outside China? So if Zipps, Reynolds etc are made in the same China as the no names, then, the difference would be technology and labor.
Dear Steven, I have a pair of 80 mm deep Chinese wheels. But I have two issues, the first one is that they seem to be too flexible, not stiff enough. When I stand on the pedals they rub against the break pad. The second issue is that breaking takes much longer compared to the other wheels I have on my other bike (aluminum wheels). I am wondering if the issues are related to the fact that they are carbon (because I have never had any other pair of carbon wheels) or to the fact that they are Chinese. I would appreciate your input in the topic. I also wanted to ask if you prefer the wheels that have an aluminum rim to make the breaking better and avoid the carbon issues that you highlighted in the video? Thank you!
+Nicolás Rodríguez Wheels that flex more than other compatible wheels are obviously not made properly. Carbon wheels are stiffer than aluminium....especially at 80mm section! You could get the wheels tensioned by an experience wheel builder,or collaborate with the seller for other options. Some Chinese wheel sets are still not up to a good standard of build but that is becoming less so now-a-days. Yes aluminium rims grip brake pads marginally better than carbon. Make sure you have brake pads for carbon rims installed and keep the pads and the rims braking surface clean with methalated spirits or alcohol rub. Full carbon wheel technology is very good now,having to bond an alloy rim to a carbon shell should be out dated soon. Hope this helps you Nicolas. Cheers...Steven
anecdotal, but I bought some 88mm ebay track wheels, clinchers rode them on the street for years, rough rough street they never got out of true (perhaps due to carbon stiffness?) I weighed like 155 back then, rode them for like three years before selling on
+oz cycle I have seen other videos with FastForword knockoffs (Chinese Carbon wheels) do you have any experience with these? Just wanted to ask before putting down 800 for the ones you got. I appreciate your responses. Thanks!!!
+GrillingNetwork™ There are a lot of sellers who use name brand stickers. I encourage viewers to do their own research...look for long-term use feedback not short-term or sellers feedback pages. Thats how I concluded the six best sellers....all had excellent feedback. You can take your chances with your money or buy a product that buyers trust. Hope that helps :)
I just started on cycling I build a fix bike that I use for work I would like to change the wheels but don't know if the carbon fiber will be ok on a fix bike since is just one speed and thinking getting a Chinese ones what brand to look for what do you recommend thanks.
Well, I am going to name drop, and see what comes of it. I was looking at some Light Bike wheels from china. This appears to be a small independent carbon wheel builder that was a bit more mtb oriented, but then went into road wheels as well. I ride recumbents. I have a Lightning Phantom, recently built with 1x12 and a nice light Stan's Avion Disc rear wheel. Nice light responsive wheel. My next bike project is a mid racer. A Performer. They call it a high racer, but as your butt is in between the wheels, but above the wheel centerline, I call it a midracer. I won't buy the frame until I decide on a light, but reasonably priced 700c carbon aero wheel, with a wider inside width. My Stan's is 21mm inside width, which appears to be wider than many. I like the Light Bike wheels because they are 23mm inside width, 30mm outside width. (56mm depth) I'd be looking to put 28-30mm tubless tires on the wheel, and run a lower tire pressure. Any opinions on Light Bike.
Hi OZ, Thanks for the informative videos. I tried searching through ebay and other Chinese carbon wheels makers. However, I'm not really sure what to choose. My aim is performance and long distance. Would you be kind and suggest to me what is the best spec's I should go for!!! My budget is around USD 600. or maybe share the link of a good selection?? Many Thanks
+Mohammed Darwish Firstly choose the section of rim you need by your weight,Mohammed,(see weight chart). Most sellers cover all wheel types so you should be able to email them with your requirements and they can provide for you. If you require more personal help with choosing I can recommend "Yeoleo" wheels. Hope this helps....Steven
Hi Steve, Many Thanks for your reply. I will try to communicate with some sellers such as the one you recommended "Yeoleo" and defiantly will take your opinion before buying. thanks gain. M
Hello Mr. Oz Cycle, I hope you're well. Could you comment on the carbon wheels of CADENCE (CADEN Carbon Bike Wheels)? Thanks a lot and greetings from Brazil? Francisco Alonso Colom
Sorry Francisco, I dont have any experience with Cadence wheels as yet. Try researching any long-term feedback about them,that should give you a good idea of their quality.
Wait, you can break a spoke from a cateye in the road? I've got cheap bontrager aluminium wheels 23c and I've hit from cateyes to potholes, stones that gave me pinch-flats and a rabbit, and never had a broken spoke. All it's needed was truing. But then again I've not done 12,000 miles, only about 3,000 so far on them.
Hi oz, thanks for the kind reply. I have purchased the ci24s for my cannondale F-si. Also I need help from you regarding converting my tyres to tubeless. I have a pair of schwalbe thunder burt tubeless 29x2.35 and they have been so difficult to mount on my ci24s. They just won't seat in properly. I have tried soapy water, I have tried using a tube to insert into the tyre and let it seat and removed it, it only managed to seat on one side and that's it. I have tried everything. It seems this problem only applies to thunder burt. I have tried on racing Ralphs and maxxis all no issue. But if I use a tube, there is no issue for the thunder burt only when converting to tubeless. Have u had issues on a particular tyre. If so, what would you do or advise? Thanks again
+palpatine1975 Im assuming they are the folding version? Sounds like you have done all the necessary steps. If a tyre is that hard to fit you will have no hope of fixing a flat when your out riding (yes tubless do get flats sometimes). I would be fitting different tyres on those wheels. You could email Schwalbe about the problem, they may have an answer.
Hi oz, thank you for your reply and patience. I will be contacting them. And I think it could be a tyre bead issue for that particular model. Thanks again
`Did not know carbon weels were so delicate. I may have rode on the terrible roads of my citty on my aluminum weels for years and never happened to them and you say a simple cateye broke a spoke. Anyways, very nice video; I am a very light rider (50kg, 48 when I am at my best weight) so I guess I have less to worry about.
hi!! Ive been tempted to buy a set of wheels from yoeleo, but cane across their rider weight limit on the 50mm model. They claim 105kgs. Im currently around 95kg, though I always finish the season around 89kgs, but have gone up to 98 in the holidays which takes me really close to their limit. Do you think I should go for them, or jusr forget about them and maybe look for an alloy wheel? and if so, what carbon weave do you recommend for a heavier rider as myself?? Thanks for the very helpful vids! By the way, nice orca!! I got one just like it!!
+Andres Cisneros Hi Andres. You will be fine at 10kg below stated weight limit. If you have a high power output like for sprinting,go for 60mm sections. Orca gold is great frame except the seat pole issue...thats why the new ones have gone back to traditional seat poles.
I will look for it. Thanks for following up with your comments. I liked your review about carbon wheels from China. I own two sets from a reputable manufacturer and I only have good things to say about them.
Theo Kolkas Hi Theo. Are you wanting to buy name brand or Chinese? Assuming Chinese , I can definitely make recommendations but will do so in the next video on Chinese carbon wheelset......inabout two to three weeks time. If you need to know now,email me and I will help you out with that. email here.... elekmusik@hotmail.com cheers... Steven
A good video telling pro's and con's for both "sides" in the wheel industry. Thanx. I have a Zipp 404 FC original and are happy with it. Never tested a Chineese wheelset cuz I'm not convinced about their quality checks before leaving the factory. But maby it's time to put those concerns aside ...
+AlfVidarSeen I have had Zipp 404's and never been happy with them. Spokes coming loose, shitty hubs and cracking carbon. So a brand does not mean it will be better. The thing with Zipp was that I expected them to give good customer service, because the wheels did not come cheap, but that service was, how do I put it without swearing, quite disappointing. Not what you would expect from such a pricy brand.
+waterkoud1: it's my 2. sett of 404s. I love them. I had no problems with them. I therefor don't know anything about the customer service. How about HED weels. Have you tried that brand?
No experience with HED. I'm using Reynolds Aero 58 rims now. Not the standard wheelset, but handbuilt with an Alchemy front hub and a White Industries rear hub. I could probably buy 3 Chinese wheelsets for the price I paid, but I'm very happy with these wheels. Braking power in wet conditions (using the Reynolds blue brake pads) is better than what I was used to with carbon rims.
You should probably clarify up front that those are cheap Chinese wheels with Easton decals applied, since genuine Easton wheels are actually pretty nice.
nico yim: They are novatec hubs....sealed bearing. Hubs are all well made these days but try to avoid alloy cassette bodies unless you specifically want that.
Good video. However, it is little bit wrong about spokes tension. From "The Professional Guide to Wheel Building" by Roger Musson. 6th Edition, page 35: "Reducing spoke tension does not soften the ride; it only makes a less strong wheel", "You do not use different tensions for different end uses e.g. touring wheels, road racing and mountain bike..."
+Kuzmin Ski Technology AB SkiTech: Using identical wheels,lessen the tension of the spokes on one of the wheels. The wheel with less tension is more forgiving when ridden on but it is weaker in overall strength. If unsure of this fact,try it for yourself. The point "Roger Musson" is making is that a good wheel build will have the correct tensioned spokes regardless of their intended purpose. However one of the major factors in spoke tension is the strength of the rim where the spoke nipple engages....often you may see rims crack at this point. Hope this helps. ...Steven
Hi Steven, Sorry, but I cannot understand what is "...is more forgiving". I did test a lot, and I build a lot of wheels. I know for sure, one rigid wheel will do exactly, what I tell it to do. One not a rigid wheel will do something else. Regards, Leonid.
That is true. By "forgiving" I mean..yielding,gentle,soft,temperate. Not a wheel that has spokes too loose but just slightly. Honestly,try it...build two wheels identical but one with slightly looser spoke tension,then ride the more rigid wheel for a week or two,then swap to the less tensioned wheel.
re cat eye's i moved from the uk a few years ago (where cat eye's are square and made of rubber which gives way easily and isnt a problem as long as you hit them head on) to ibiza in spain where i found they were trialing a new design of cat eye, solid glass ball shape (think of a golf ball cut in half) i was riding the white line one day due to the heat making me lose concetration and bang, the bike just disappeared from under me. i was fucked but thankfully the bike just hurtled down the road without a scratch (ally frame).
cheers for your excellent videos. Thats why I waited for the DISC road bike trend to stabilise, no brake track issues. The failure will still be rim to spoke pullouts or hitting an object but the carbon overheating and fatiguing is gone. What have you in the DISC roadie category?
Hi Steven, I got the wheels the seller was perfect, the performance gain is most i have noticed ever, they accelerate better, total trip effort became really less. Tried them with 25C Vittoria paves though, now installing Latex/ Michelin Pro4 Service course except for the Reid white/grey frame the entire bicycle is Fluro green If interested i can send you pictures somehow or a video as well? but how can i reach you? Thanks to you by the way, not anywhere i found a motivating technical help to go ahead.
+dguzmics Yes. There wasnt much longterm feedback when i did this video,so difficult to say much about them. Zuus website states a "return if not happy" policy and they accept "paypal",so thats a plus. Keep in mind,if the wheels fail after 3 months or more,it may be difficult to get compensated. Always go by "longterm" reviews...a set of carbon wheels should give you at least 10,000km useage. Cheers...Steven
Kent Wong...having a family member that works at ZIPP in Indiana USA, they lay up all their carbon at their plant there, not in China. Having ridden ZIPP for years I can say that the 'copies' simply don't ride the same, last as long, hold up as well and so on. Put 4800 miles on a pair of ZIPP's, no broken spokes and as true as the day they were brand new at close to 5k miles....... I do agree that buying cheep Chinese knock-offs is essentially supporting criminals that are stealing form companies that have spent millions on R & D building a product.....save your money, buy the real stuff, don't support criminals. There are plenty of builders here in the USA that make all their own products. This being said most shopping for budget $400 Chinese wheels are doing so out of necessity as the $$ isn't there to buy the real stuff. Moots, Durango Bike Co, ZIPP, Catrike, Ellsworth just to name a few of the many, many that still build here in the good old USA...... In the end to each their own.......for my money I choose to support USA made products
I bought Ekay 38mm deep, 23mm width carbon rims with Novatec 271 hubs in April of 2014. Paid $360 + $60 s/h = The pair for $420 total (direct from Ekay - NOT off of ebay). So far so good...3 years on with 13,000km's.
We are small carbon repair company and must say problem with brake surface has many brands. We repair damages brake surface on Rovals, Eastons, Shimanos and lot more. Most problematic are clincher wheels with classic tyres. You have to use right brake pads and not buy cheapest rims
He is absolutely correct. Heavy riders dont equal light and fast. I learned this the hard way after putting $1500 on a pair of carbon rins that lasted maybe 500 miles. I weighed about 240 when they warped . So I just spent $500 for a set of dtswiss pr1600 wish me luck. Sure wish that my bike shop would had been decent enough to recomend disk brakes. I mean it's not like they couldn't see my 18" biceps or the legs... How did they not see that and be like dude you need disk brakes. Do your own maintenance and buy online.
People need to take into account the weight of a 'cheap' set of wheels and a set that costs maybe 2500.00 when not on sale, one set might weight 1600 and another more expensive 1100, that makes a noticeable difference. I have several bikes and an Evo hi mod with Enve 45 tubulars and 240 hubs, total weight is 1120 so super light and also bought on a huge sale so I paid under 1800.00 vs 2500.00. I really think high end carbon wheels aren't intended to be used on every ride so you don't wear then out quickly, plenty of great wheels for more daily use like Mavic RSYS which I have on another bike, some people have a very high end bike and 2 sets of wheels as well, also have to think of damage when using carbon on a regular basis
Yes, that's very true. i have a pair of Zipp 404s that i use for races and a pair of Fulcrum Racing Quattros for normal rides. Just remember to change the brake pads and it's all fine
i dont to take the risk by buying cheap stuff for my bike if a part cause a crash because of cheap parts braking. 25 km away from where i live is a bike/ski shop that is extremely good at expierince by bikes and skees. the price of the bikes, wheels, bike parts, skees and equipment is very expensive but in the end its very good quality. and the service, advises and generally small talk about the gear they`re selling is very good :) and they teached me how to change the tubes, changing the spokes, tune the gears, learing about the pressure of the tubes on spesifik roadtypes and how i sit on the bike! :D the shop is called reser. (reseras.no) i have 2 bikes. both bought at reser. the first one was a road bike (ghost race 6000 black aluframe) the other was a mountain bike (ghost SE TWO 2000 black and signal yellow), aluframe. both of the bikes have no problems. i have only changed the tubes and tyres. both of them have done around 5000km in 2 years. i am also a pretty heavy biker. (138kg) but both bikes handle my weight very good. so the shopkeepers helped me by finding a strong and sturdy bike that handles my weight. :D im sorry if my english is not on top notch but i hope you understand the most of it XD keep in mind that about 2,5 years ago i weighted 155kg.. so im trying my best to keep pushing the weight down. my goal is 99,9 kg! wis me luck!
Wow I'm shocked, a man with common sense and good logical information not beating his own drum. I follow no one but I'm subscribing, keep up the good fight.
Thanx Bob for compliments. Social media is giving even the little people a big voice. This helps keep the comercial world more honest and impartial. People make the world go around,not money,hey? :)
very informative video and non-bias over Chinese-made carbon wheels which could perform well much like the "originals" and break much like the "originals" would...
Hi Oz cycle, So glad that you are an aussie (you have the best detailed reviews!) and you are massively informative! I migrated here and really into cycling... at the moment got a Reid Osprey 2014 for a cheap used price, upgraded the tyres to 25C Vittoria pave now i am MUCH into going for the AERO clincher wheels as i have a set of Alexrims da16 which i think are bad (stock through Reid) Anyway i am just confused in 2 things, The Freelance shops outside from aliexpress should be cheaper, but meanwhile aliexpress has annual sales discounts starting tomorrow. And i love the Decals on offering! (if its in my hand i would get a non-fake decal as i just love the color customization they give to your bicycle thats all) second thing is Hub and Spokes choice! R13 or R36 (powerway) or Novatec, and most importantly going ceramic is worth it? and leave the standard spokes or pay for the upgrade to DT swiss or any other big name aero spokes? I am aiming at 50-60 mm 23 rim width (23-25c tires only) I am an amateur road cyclist but i am much into it.
+Quirk Silver CN aero pilar. Yes Reid Osprey...great bike for the price. Aliexpress is not responsible for warranty issues with products they host. You are still have to deal with the individual seller upon ordering and after sales service. Look into long term review on the sellers products....usually forums. You can always buy decals somewhere else....i bought mine from the UK. CN aero and Pilar are also reliable chinese spokes. Powerway and Novatec are great hubs. Personal recommendation is Yoeleo for a great wheelset. Cheers....Steven
Hi again mate, by the way today is Ali express Anniversary sales there is real discounts but only when you use the mobile APP (speaking of 10-15% ++) .. i hope you can benefit of this. There is ~5 sellers with 100+ orders and years old and most importantly 20-70 Real feedback ... Thanks a lot for sharing your information, if i did not buy within the sale I will definitely give yoleo a try.
+oz cycle I think my wheels will be shipped soon, i bought them from an Aliexpress shop (as you said picked a vendor with Good feedback over many months or a year+) will give you full feedback once i get them. They are U-Shaped 23 mm wide(most important part here :) 50 mm deep (like yours) although i wanted the 25 wider ones but understood the aero advancements /trends too late after i ordered the 23, 20/24 spokes, Novatec 291 (for the better bearings) but looks like even if novatec 271/291 is steel but still its dented easily (i think powerway 13 can die out much sooner then so its good i did not pick them up)... got some Service course 23c Michelin pair with a couple of latex tubes (A1 michelin) being shipped atm. I have to add that decals usually cost ~ 105 AUD with most of them, if you got a pair with free Decal option, they are definitely higher initial cost (just like the free shipping bogus :) ) Meanwhile i got the following so far: Carbon Drop Bars from another aliexpress shop, decals as i liked (fluro green) weight is out of this world the saddle is 95g !! The Handle bar is integrated Stem one its like 320 g or so! If you need to take a look at all when the wheels are there you are most welcome or i will upload some video with them for you or others as well. I lost my job last week(mech/production eng) so really on a tight budget to buy any of those 1000s of dollars bicycle gears... but on the other side building slowly a good set of tools I also got a Shifter set, Microshift Centos 10X2 spd(2nd best) i will use it with the 8X2spd shimano i got at the moment until i can upgrade the cassette/crank later.
Just left you a message on your other video, but after seeing this one in making me wondering if they are worth it.Let me know what you thing.Thanks!..
+John Oconnor A loose cogset can exacerbate the wear but the lateral force from the locknut is not going to hold back cogs biting into the body....it will happen over time anyhow John.
+oz cycle it is the most important that whether those framesets are dangerous,,,i mean the safety concerns.Actually,there are many guys who want a carbon bike but they can't afford an ice-watering price,,,so Chinese carbon bike is the best option.
Steven, those are Easton EC90 aero wheelset. Unless you got a knock-off pair, which you should EXPLICITLY divulge, this could be consider grounds for a slander lawsuit. BMC Pro Cycling Team and other UCI pro teams uses Easton components, just as they use Zipp, Campy/Bora and many others.
Yes Steven, I realise that the Eastons were fake - there was never a EC90 TKO but my point is that other might not be as knowledgeable as you or I and you may have inadvertently damaged a brand. Regardless, I guess it's a case for Easton Sports to decide. Cheers,
Yeah, I've got a nice Chinese carbon frame but have stuck with alloy rims. As I understand it, there's a problem with carbon clincher rims used with rim brakes. The rim wall is thin on clinchers where the tyre bead hooks under while the the rim brake pads heat up the rim surface and melt the resin. It's this that causes rim failure and blowouts, whether they're Chinese rims or "real" ones. It's one reason behind the industry's push for disc brakes, as obviously with disc brakes you won't have this issue (also rim brakes with a tubular profile rim will be okay - it's the combination of clincher rim, rim brakes and carbon that's the problem apparently). But alloy rims should do ya fine. Mine are 35mm and very responsive. Straight pull spokes and a wider flange make a noticeable difference though in terms of power transmission, so look out for them.
+podfunk Thanx for the insight podfunk,you have a good grasp of carbon wheel design. Lets hope the UCI allows disc brakes permanently so we can enjoy carbon wheels safely.
You are right . If you want carbon wheels buy tubular. Carbon clincher are no lighter than aluminum wheels and not structurally sound. Disk wheels are even heavier... If you want light: carbon + tubular, if you want reliable clincher + aluminum. If you want the best brakes especially in the rain go disks.
michael aspden13 minutes agoI bought a pair of 50mm yoeleo wheels a few years back.The front wheel cracked around the valve hole after two rides.The rear hub bearings went within a 150 miles.I contacted yoeleo ,and they wanted to send out a new hub, at my cost! I had the front wheel crack repaired by a very good company near me.at my cost as well.Yoeleo didn't want to know when I contacted them.There is a very good reason why other wheels are a lot more expensive. that's because they are built to last.These wheels have been sat idle in my garage for two years. You buy cheap,you buy twice.Never again.Avoid people, you will be disappointed.
most professional, astute and honest video I've seen on this subject.... Bravo old boy, you've properly educated many of these clueless chaps...
Thirdstreet oh look, an ignorant asshat lol
oh yes, hanging your fancy carbon bike by a top tube screams EXPERT to me
“clueless chaps”, so people other than you then? Sigh...
I like how objective your reviews are. This was most helpful. The consensus among actual cyclists who want to grow the community, is much like yours. "Buy what one can afford w/o sacrificing quality" regardless of manufacturers origin. Another reviewer threw around the word Chinese as if it were the biggest swear in cycling, as if his video weren't sponsored by 'whoever' American brand. Thanks again and keep the videos coming please.
LOL at that shot of the fancy carbon wheel with the Gatorskins mounted...
I've just purchased some Chinese 60mm carbon wheels and have taken them out for a.couple of spins. Great so far....i can't fault them as yet. Well worth a punt. Your videos definetely helped me decide to give them a go. Thanks
how are the wheels doing? and what brand did you get?
What is a good seller I'm tryna get some wheels!
I bought a set of Wiel 88mm wheels from eBay earlier this year for £360. It's hard to comment on the aerodynamic performance as I fitted them as a package of aero improvements including dropping the TT bars 20mm, moving the elbow pads inwards, shaving legs and changing shoes. The total effect of this was about a 0.5mph improvement to a 22.7mph average for a 10 mile TT. The wheels are rated at 125psi, I race them at 140psi rear, 135 psi front, which I admit is pushing the safety factor a little. The only aero different I can see to a £1200 wheel set is spoke count. My wheels are 20/24 spokes and Zipps are 16/20. Overall I am very satisfied with the wheels and I'm proud to sport an alternative brand. I hope this helps anyone making the decision.
+James Eastwood Thank you for the review.
When I use a traditional racing geometry with my road bike my weight is distributed as follows: 38% front, 62% rear. When I use a time-trial or triathlon geometry with aerobars on the same bike my weight is distributed as follows: 47% front, 53% rear. I'm an endurance road cyclist and spend 95% of my time in a the latter position.
The force on the front wheel was understated in this video for two reasons: (1) Most of the braking force occurs on the front wheel. This is true on most road grades but is especially true for descents. The likelihood of brake track damage as shown in the video is generally higher on the front wheel than the rear wheel. (2) If a TT or tri geometry is used (as explained above), there will be almost as much weight on the front wheel as the rear.
Very well done mate. Thanks for sharing and spending the time. Brilliant.
Absolutely brilliant video. Very informative and very knowledgeable. Thank you :)
Brilliant! Clean, clear and precise. As for Chinese made products-most of the products today are Chinese. Specialized, Trek, most seats are made there. Chinese doesn't mean BAD, if it did why would the Big Companies use the factories. When you go to the bike show and see off brand frames, if you know what to look for, you'll see that they are actually famous frames with just a few tweeks.
No, there are legitimate suppliers from china, but they end up selling to the big name brands and aren't cheap.
Someone took the time to design that bike (and then have it produced in China). With a few exceptions (Colnago C60, Look) almost all carbon equipment is made in China (or Taiwan)... So some Chinese stuff is excellent and made for top notch brands some is the same with no stickers and some is shit... Is your chinese iphone shit too?
I'm pretty sure the Freehub shown at 4:50 is actually aluminum. The colour is consistent with hard anodizing- a process which cannot used on steel. I see the same type of "biting" on my aluminum freehubs. I have a couple cheap wheels with steel freehubs and they barely have a scratch on them after a year of usage.
If a magnet sticks to it its steel :)
Very informative. I liked how you presented both "cheap" and expensive wheels positives and negatives. Carbon wheels will be my next upgrade and I would like to get the best product for my money. My research continues but you have helped out a great deal.
Thank you "..b side.." for your upbuilding comment 😊
Great video. Very methodical and doesn't fall into prejudices. I've noticed some Chinese wheel makers give you the option for name brand spokes to assuage worries about painted steel.
+QuickQuips Thank you. Yes, the paint WILL eventually begin to peal depending on climate conditions. One wheelset I have,the paint outlasted the life of the wheels. Living near the seaside,salt air would affect the spokes and nipples quickly.
Fantastic video. Thank you for making one of the best videos I've seen in this topic.
Yes, bought 38mm road wheels from Carbonzone.Paid with PayPal. Delivered to country NSW in 2 weeks. Packaged boxed very good. I think customs pocked a small finger size hole in the center of the box to put a camera in to have a look. At the Post Office the box was sooo lite the girl asked me what was inside, because big box sooo lite. 3000 klm and more, now 4 months of rough and potholed roads. Riding 4 or 5 days a week and racing on the weekends. Are these wheels good? No,...they are Fantastic... rolling sooo good, aero like cannot imagine. These wheels are magic. But I am short and light 55kg, but I treat them rough. My bike does it all from Cafe rides with the old blokes, racing at home and Gold Coast, hills, mountains, long rough country rides every week. My bike does it all, even to Woolies shopping and out to the beach for a swim. Everyday Carbon I call them. No bullshit, they dont hang on the wall in the garage, they are on the bike. Did the research, got the product. Very Happy. Cheers.
+ozesalsa Thank you for the review.
Thanks! I’m very light, too, with 57 kg, guess they are an option in the future.
Frederik Yes to a very light weight rider, as you and me(56kg) “chinese” carbon wheels, are the way to go! Cuse alot of people are worried about them collapsing, but it happens more with fake coppies of wheels, chinese BRANDS are much more trustable! Because they have a name to protect! And those companies that make copies, don’t have to worry with their reputation! So try to buy wheels from chinese brands! Not coppies
i spent a good few years riding a steel frame bike with alloy wheels and alloy gear on it and never had the problems you seem to get with carbon. to spend hard earned cash and have that happen I think that carbon is best left to the real pro's and stick to reliability. my trusty old steel and alloy thanks
Gracias, I learned substantially amount of good tips/data; yet, I decided to keep my "Aluminum Vis a Vis F.C.": Fulcrum and Mavic...700c X 28, for our horrible and dangerous road-conditions here in S.D. , California... Cheers!
I bought a Chinese wheelset but I do not buy imitation wheelsets or apply name decals from a seller.
Ride them without any decals and say they are chinese wheels which cost half.
Same as my frame it has no decals just black carbon, no specialized no Pinarello decals I tell people I 've done my research my bike is as good as any 6000 Euro bike with DI2 and disc brakes only I paid 30% of the price by doing my own assembly.
+Erik Verreijt Thank you for the review.
From what website do you get your items? The bottom is that everything what's in the States, comes from China..
Thanks!
Europe has been pillaging and robbing China for years to take their things. Capitalism is what forced people off the land and into factories, because sustainable farming and family life is poison to the capitalist. Fuck yourself.
not sure if im drawing this thread off topic, but my take on "Decals" is that along with them comes a "Warrenty package" which of course includes that old sting in the tail.. The price, sure people get lucky, some people like to take risks, cheaper deals can turn out in the long run tobe more exspensive. you choose.
China's biggest customer (er, "pillager") is the U.S. WITHOUT the U.S. pillaging over the past 27 years China would have continued to be similar to North Korea. You say their prices are criminally low? They set their OWN price to compete with India, Taiwan, etc. Neither the U.K. nor the U.S. is 'fixing' Chinese prices; Beijing IS! There are just 7 carbon fiber frame manufacturers in the World last time I checked, 4 are in China, one French on in Tunesia, one in France and one in the USA. Even Cannondales are made in China; the 'robbing pillagers!'
I bought some Chinese wheels in January through Amazon thinking I was saving a fortune compared to a bike shop. The rear wheel failed within 200km, I contacted the supplier and they sent me a new set. These didn't even make it on to my bike, the spokes were loose and the rear wheel was buckled, I sent both sets back and got my money back. A couple of days later I went and bought a Bianchi Aria. I will never put safety over cost again
What are the issues associated with obtaining replacement bearings?
i know this video is old now, but for those wondering, leucher technik is a very good and informative channel about carbon bike frames and wheels. I recommend you check him out if your thinking about getting some carbon wheels regardless if they are from a famous brand or chinese no name. He even showed that some chinese wheels were better build than some big brands.
Edit: just avoid carbon clinchers with v-brakes
Hello, what's wrong with carbon clinchers and v-brakes? I see almost everyone using them
Mine lasted 2k miles.. the rear brake started pulsing because the carbon resin was softened from all the heat caused by braking and started to pushing outward. It was kinda my fault.. even branded one will happen.
Great Video Boss! Love how you showed the pics of broken "Name Brand Wheels".
+EriccartmanR1 Yup..."name brand" doesn't mean 'No breakie' :)
Very helpful, especially what to look for when examining rims. Many thanks.
The standard carbon wheels on my Giant Defy have done 12,000 km. There have been no spoke breakages and the wheels have remained true. I only ride my Carbon bike in good weather and on good sealed roads.
PS: I also have upgraded to 28mm tyres as my theory is that its better to have the thicker tyre take all the impacts.
Nice presentation. I do have aluminium axis road bike. Im told that model discontinued. Should I consider getting a full carbon bike like scott foil cr1 from china and who do u suggest I should purchase from. I live in south africa
Should have bike stand on seat post. If its over-tightened seat posts are much easier to fix
the 3 or 5 spoke carbon wheels might be stronger or better as they wont have many small holes drilled for small spokes
Would it be possible to add disc brake to the carbon wheels to help save the wheels?
Tried to look for website to buy wheels but could find it on comments.. Would you provide the address please? Looking into carbon disc wheelset.. Which do you recommend? And why..
Thank you!!!
Got the 88mm chinese rims.took my mechanic a little time to build them onto the hubs but i beat the crap out of them in city riding with heavy sprinting and hard cornering and never had a single issue i loved the hell out of them.i also had spinergy stealth ss that got in a accident when a car cut me off and after being trued up from a nasty wobble i rode the hell out the them for 6 years and never had to true them up more than every few years and i was putting 4-5k on them each year so sometimes you get lucky
+blacktop hemi R/T Thanx for your experience. Sounds like you got plenty of energy to take out on the bike.
Steve, I have recently moved to a hydraulic disk brake road bike (Cannondale Syanpse). I currently run the supplied heavy Aluminium wheels and am considering upgrading. I am 92Kg. Do you have any thoughts on Chinese Carbon Wheels for Disk Brakes. I would have thought that the removal of the requirement for a braking surface on the rim would change the forces at the rim and therefore the rim design. Also what are the implications on hubs and spokes when using disk brakes? Your thoughts would be appreciated.
PS since you live very close to the Ocean in Victor Harbour what are your views on steel vs stainless steel spokes?
I dont think I would trust them for rim brake wheels but I have a set for a hardtail mtb and they have been bulletproof on that. They were 375 us shipped. I don't see any reason to spend more.
A good pair of Mavic Open Pro, laced to a beautiful Dura Ace 7900 hubs with stainless steel Sapim 2.0 mm spokes and you has a bombproof wheel set lasting forever.
For commuting and racing or one or the other ? How much could something like that go for ?
@@ramonsanabria1472 hablás español?
@@miguel.martinez.fotografia seguro !
@@ramonsanabria1472 unas ruedas armadas como dije, cambiando las mazas 7900 por unas 9000 o 9100 para poder usar 11v, no son tan livianas como unas de carbono, pero para uso en ciudad creo que son ideales (commuting).Obviamente no son lo mas adecuado para correr. De todas maneras, podés armar unas ruedas de 1.5 kilos, usando llantas de aluminio si estás dispuesto a gastar mas que en unas de carbono chinas. (Llantas Mavic Pro UST, radios Sapim race). Estamos hablando de un costo de unos 650 dólares, en ebay. (habría que ver costo de envío y tasas de aduana, o si en tu país se consiguen en vez de tener que comprarlas en el exterior.) Podés bajar el costo pero aumentando el peso, cambiando las mazas por unas Ultegra, que siguen siendo excelentes.
@@miguel.martinez.fotografia Muchas gracias para esa buena orientacion , ya yo distingo entre " commuting " y ruedas luvianas para correr , y cosas de alta ciclismo como digas !
Guarantee. During an Ironman 70.3 in Spain in May my tire exploded and this happened going downhill and cornering. My rim got destroyed. I told this to the seller (they have no blame) and asked if and what they could do for me. Immediate answer: we ship a rim for free and you only pay DHL. I have chosen to go for chinees factories because me and my wife do triathlon and it is otherwise unaffordable. Most stuff is coming from china anyway . Took the risk to save 10.000 and so far its worth it.
Excellent info and honest opinion, make sure you tell us your about your new wheelset.. Cheers
any update on the new generation Ican wheels?
Hi Oz
I got my wheels today build on Powerway R36 and ceramic bearings.
I just put on my 11 speed cassette when i noticed that there was a spacer ring in a little bag supplied with it. My old wheel did not have that fitted.
Can you tell me where it goes and whether I need this. It also has one side flat machined and the other a bit rounded and polished.
It may be for a different installation but no idea.
any help would be appreciated.
+Kermit Frog Yes,that spacer is for 10speed cassette so you shouldnt need to use it with your 11.
Can you put up the company's website. Or how you buy your rims. And from who. Thanks
+ede H "Yoeleo"
Hi oz..I would like to ask compared to Chinese carbon rims, I have purchased the wtb Ci24 carbon rims for xc use.. wtb claimed they have done extensive research on these rims it cost me $1100 a pair. Are they much better than the Chinese ones.? What is your opinion?
+palpatine1975 WTB Ci24 rims are excellent all-rounder rims...they are also light in weight. If you can afford them, go for it as Chinese versions will be heavier and may only have after-drilled spoke holes which want take the beating like WTBs layered-carbon reinforced holes.
There is an old saying, buy cheap buy twice. I bought 50mm carbon wheels from yoeleo, within six rides the front wheel cracked around the valve hole making them useless. The rear wheel hub went so stiff it was not safe to use. I contacted yoeleo, and after watching my video said they would send me a front wheel rim which I had to re build using the existing hub and spokes.I would be charged for shipping, then I would have to pay import duty on top. I had to pay £70 import duty before they were released to me. They also said they would send me a new rear hub, but I would be charged for it. My local bike shop said they would not touch Chinese wheels. You takes your chances , I was the unlucky one. There is a reason why you pay so much for proper wheels. I am now left with two useless wheels. The lady at yoeleo was very polite, and returned my e-mails strait away.
I would be curious is there is any wheel set made outside China? So if Zipps, Reynolds etc are made in the same China as the no names, then, the difference would be technology and labor.
Very few made outside China now....China/Taiwan has the carbon machinery and cheap labor.
Dear Steven, I have a pair of 80 mm deep Chinese wheels. But I have two issues, the first one is that they seem to be too flexible, not stiff enough. When I stand on the pedals they rub against the break pad. The second issue is that breaking takes much longer compared to the other wheels I have on my other bike (aluminum wheels).
I am wondering if the issues are related to the fact that they are carbon (because I have never had any other pair of carbon wheels) or to the fact that they are Chinese. I would appreciate your input in the topic.
I also wanted to ask if you prefer the wheels that have an aluminum rim to make the breaking better and avoid the carbon issues that you highlighted in the video?
Thank you!
+Nicolás Rodríguez Wheels that flex more than other compatible wheels are obviously not made properly. Carbon wheels are stiffer than aluminium....especially at 80mm section! You could get the wheels tensioned by an experience wheel builder,or collaborate with the seller for other options. Some Chinese wheel sets are still not up to a good standard of build but that is becoming less so now-a-days. Yes aluminium rims grip brake pads marginally better than carbon. Make sure you have brake pads for carbon rims installed and keep the pads and the rims braking surface clean with methalated spirits or alcohol rub. Full carbon wheel technology is very good now,having to bond an alloy rim to a carbon shell should be out dated soon. Hope this helps you Nicolas. Cheers...Steven
anecdotal, but I bought some 88mm ebay track wheels, clinchers
rode them on the street for years, rough rough street
they never got out of true (perhaps due to carbon stiffness?)
I weighed like 155 back then, rode them for like three years before selling on
Great Video!! How long did your first Chinese rims last?
just over 12,000km
+oz cycle thanks for the fast response. Where did you get your decals?? Thanks again
+GrillingNetwork™ "Graphicshack"
+oz cycle I have seen other videos with FastForword knockoffs (Chinese Carbon wheels) do you have any experience with these? Just wanted to ask before putting down 800 for the ones you got. I appreciate your responses. Thanks!!!
+GrillingNetwork™ There are a lot of sellers who use name brand stickers. I encourage viewers to do their own research...look for long-term use feedback not short-term or sellers feedback pages. Thats how I concluded the six best sellers....all had excellent feedback. You can take your chances with your money or buy a product that buyers trust. Hope that helps :)
Good video. Thank you.
I wonder if it isn't better for me to buy Planet X or CSN Superleggera 82/101 Tubular Wheels Pair for around £400.
I just started on cycling I build a fix bike that I use for work I would like to change the wheels but don't know if the carbon fiber will be ok on a fix bike since is just one speed and thinking getting a Chinese ones what brand to look for what do you recommend thanks.
By your description Alberto, a set of nice aluminium wheels would do you fine. . .32hole for fixie.
Do you mind telling me the brand of these chinese wheels?Where to buy them..?
+attila elekes Yes attila, there are six recommendations in my other vid here.... th-cam.com/video/59MsPG3lzkU/w-d-xo.html
Hmm...black and white spokes, helmet, and handlebar tape. Are you a Port Adelaide or Collingwood supporter? Great vid btw!
Well, I am going to name drop, and see what comes of it. I was looking at some Light Bike wheels from china. This appears to be a small independent carbon wheel builder that was a bit more mtb oriented, but then went into road wheels as well. I ride recumbents. I have a Lightning Phantom, recently built with 1x12 and a nice light Stan's Avion Disc rear wheel. Nice light responsive wheel. My next bike project is a mid racer. A Performer. They call it a high racer, but as your butt is in between the wheels, but above the wheel centerline, I call it a midracer. I won't buy the frame until I decide on a light, but reasonably priced 700c carbon aero wheel, with a wider inside width. My Stan's is 21mm inside width, which appears to be wider than many. I like the Light Bike wheels because they are 23mm inside width, 30mm outside width. (56mm depth) I'd be looking to put 28-30mm tubless tires on the wheel, and run a lower tire pressure. Any opinions on Light Bike.
Very nice, measured, informative video. Did they come with the bootleg Easton decals?
No. Decals from graphicshack.com" Alan.
Hi OZ, Thanks for the informative videos. I tried searching through ebay and other Chinese carbon wheels makers. However, I'm not really sure what to choose. My aim is performance and long distance. Would you be kind and suggest to me what is the best spec's I should go for!!! My budget is around USD 600. or maybe share the link of a good selection?? Many Thanks
+Mohammed Darwish Firstly choose the section of rim you need by your weight,Mohammed,(see weight chart). Most sellers cover all wheel types so you should be able to email them with your requirements and they can provide for you. If you require more personal help with choosing I can recommend "Yeoleo" wheels. Hope this helps....Steven
Hi Steve, Many Thanks for your reply. I will try to communicate with some sellers such as the one you recommended "Yeoleo" and defiantly will take your opinion before buying. thanks gain. M
Hello Mr. Oz Cycle, I hope you're well. Could you comment on the carbon wheels of CADENCE (CADEN Carbon Bike Wheels)? Thanks a lot and greetings from Brazil? Francisco Alonso Colom
Sorry Francisco, I dont have any experience with Cadence wheels as yet. Try researching any long-term feedback about them,that should give you a good idea of their quality.
Wait, you can break a spoke from a cateye in the road? I've got cheap bontrager aluminium wheels 23c and I've hit from cateyes to potholes, stones that gave me pinch-flats and a rabbit, and never had a broken spoke. All it's needed was truing. But then again I've not done 12,000 miles, only about 3,000 so far on them.
+Durragas Yes,aluminium will give way to bumps more than carbon. And a rabbit?!!....ha...guess they suddenly dart out from the roadside?
Hi oz, thanks for the kind reply. I have purchased the ci24s for my cannondale F-si. Also I need help from you regarding converting my tyres to tubeless. I have a pair of schwalbe thunder burt tubeless 29x2.35 and they have been so difficult to mount on my ci24s. They just won't seat in properly. I have tried soapy water, I have tried using a tube to insert into the tyre and let it seat and removed it, it only managed to seat on one side and that's it. I have tried everything. It seems this problem only applies to thunder burt. I have tried on racing Ralphs and maxxis all no issue. But if I use a tube, there is no issue for the thunder burt only when converting to tubeless. Have u had issues on a particular tyre. If so, what would you do or advise? Thanks again
+palpatine1975 Im assuming they are the folding version? Sounds like you have done all the necessary steps. If a tyre is that hard to fit you will have no hope of fixing a flat when your out riding (yes tubless do get flats sometimes). I would be fitting different tyres on those wheels. You could email Schwalbe about the problem, they may have an answer.
Hi oz, thank you for your reply and patience. I will be contacting them. And I think it could be a tyre bead issue for that particular model. Thanks again
`Did not know carbon weels were so delicate. I may have rode on the terrible roads of my citty on my aluminum weels for years and never happened to them and you say a simple cateye broke a spoke. Anyways, very nice video; I am a very light rider (50kg, 48 when I am at my best weight) so I guess I have less to worry about.
hi!! Ive been tempted to buy a set of wheels from yoeleo, but cane across their rider weight limit on the 50mm model. They claim 105kgs. Im currently around 95kg, though I always finish the season around 89kgs, but have gone up to 98 in the holidays which takes me really close to their limit. Do you think I should go for them, or jusr forget about them and maybe look for an alloy wheel? and if so, what carbon weave do you recommend for a heavier rider as myself??
Thanks for the very helpful vids! By the way, nice orca!! I got one just like it!!
+Andres Cisneros Hi Andres. You will be fine at 10kg below stated weight limit. If you have a high power output like for sprinting,go for 60mm sections. Orca gold is great frame except the seat pole issue...thats why the new ones have gone back to traditional seat poles.
+oz cycle thanks so much for the advice! greetings friend!
If you google novatec cassette body you should find it. I saw it awhile ago as I had trouble with an older hub from Novatec.
+Benoit Dussault Can only find compatability issues...no recall. Perhaps it has been taken down now.
I will look for it. Thanks for following up with your comments. I liked your review about carbon wheels from China. I own two sets from a reputable manufacturer and I only have good things to say about them.
i have a pair chinese carbon wheel brought from oxivecarbon for two years，still roll well
Any suggestions as to who to buy a carbon wheel set from?
Theo Kolkas Hi Theo. Are you wanting to buy name brand or Chinese? Assuming Chinese , I can definitely make recommendations but will do so in the next video on Chinese carbon wheelset......inabout two to three weeks time. If you need to know now,email me and I will help you out with that. email here.... elekmusik@hotmail.com
cheers... Steven
Theo Kolkas After reading many reviews, I ordered mine from CarbonSpeedCycle
Very good. Carbonspeedcycle have a good reputation. All the best Theo.
A good video telling pro's and con's for both "sides" in the wheel industry. Thanx. I have a Zipp 404 FC original and are happy with it. Never tested a Chineese wheelset cuz I'm not convinced about their quality checks before leaving the factory. But maby it's time to put those concerns aside ...
+AlfVidarSeen I have had Zipp 404's and never been happy with them. Spokes coming loose, shitty hubs and cracking carbon. So a brand does not mean it will be better. The thing with Zipp was that I expected them to give good customer service, because the wheels did not come cheap, but that service was, how do I put it without swearing, quite disappointing. Not what you would expect from such a pricy brand.
+waterkoud1: it's my 2. sett of 404s. I love them. I had no problems with them. I therefor don't know anything about the customer service. How about HED weels. Have you tried that brand?
No experience with HED. I'm using Reynolds Aero 58 rims now. Not the standard wheelset, but handbuilt with an Alchemy front hub and a White Industries rear hub. I could probably buy 3 Chinese wheelsets for the price I paid, but I'm very happy with these wheels. Braking power in wet conditions (using the Reynolds blue brake pads) is better than what I was used to with carbon rims.
You should probably clarify up front that those are cheap Chinese wheels with Easton decals applied, since genuine Easton wheels are actually pretty nice.
What kind of bearing removal tool do you use to remove the bearings in the hubs?
Depends what hub. Usually a masonry bolt does it. Otherwise a blind bearing puller
any website recommendations that you prefer in ordering chinese wheelsets?
Hi Alvin. Yes recomendations on my other vid "Chinese wheels...best buys".
I’m 112kg what wheels should I buy 60mm?
nico yim: They are novatec hubs....sealed bearing. Hubs are all well made these days but try to avoid alloy cassette bodies unless you specifically want that.
Good video. However, it is little bit wrong about spokes tension.
From "The Professional Guide to Wheel Building" by Roger Musson. 6th Edition, page 35:
"Reducing spoke tension does not soften the ride; it only makes a less strong wheel", "You do not use different tensions for different end uses e.g. touring wheels, road racing and mountain bike..."
+Kuzmin Ski Technology AB SkiTech: Using identical wheels,lessen the tension of the spokes on one of the wheels. The wheel with less tension is more forgiving when ridden on but it is weaker in overall strength. If unsure of this fact,try it for yourself. The point "Roger Musson" is making is that a good wheel build will have the correct tensioned spokes regardless of their intended purpose. However one of the major factors in spoke tension is the strength of the rim where the spoke nipple engages....often you may see rims crack at this point. Hope this helps. ...Steven
Hi Steven, Sorry, but I cannot understand what is "...is more forgiving". I did test a lot, and I build a lot of wheels. I know for sure, one rigid wheel will do exactly, what I tell it to do. One not a rigid wheel will do something else.
Regards, Leonid.
That is true. By "forgiving" I mean..yielding,gentle,soft,temperate. Not a wheel that has spokes too loose but just slightly. Honestly,try it...build two wheels identical but one with slightly looser spoke tension,then ride the more rigid wheel for a week or two,then swap to the less tensioned wheel.
what is the size of your wheel and where did you bought it and how much
+Ricobien Mojares I have 50mm x 23mm and a 60mm x 25mm set. Both from Yoeleo. Appx..AU$700 pr
Where did you find our club shirt MBC Trieste ?!?
re cat eye's i moved from the uk a few years ago (where cat eye's are square and made of rubber which gives way easily and isnt a problem as long as you hit them head on) to ibiza in spain where i found they were trialing a new design of cat eye, solid glass ball shape (think of a golf ball cut in half) i was riding the white line one day due to the heat making me lose concetration and bang, the bike just disappeared from under me. i was fucked but thankfully the bike just hurtled down the road without a scratch (ally frame).
Great info nobby styles. In Australia the cateyes are plastic and square. :)
cheers for your excellent videos.
Thats why I waited for the DISC road bike trend to stabilise, no brake track issues. The failure will still be rim to spoke pullouts or hitting an object but the carbon overheating and fatiguing is gone.
What have you in the DISC roadie category?
+David R Yes discs are gradually taking over the roadbike scene now. Almost every wheel seller will have disc options available.
Thanks for the video. This helps us carbon rim virgins understand a few things while we're thinking about what to get and why.
Hi Steven, I got the wheels the seller was perfect, the performance gain is most i have noticed ever, they accelerate better, total trip effort became really less.
Tried them with 25C Vittoria paves though, now installing Latex/ Michelin Pro4 Service course except for the Reid white/grey frame the entire bicycle is Fluro green
If interested i can send you pictures somehow or a video as well? but how can i reach you?
Thanks to you by the way, not anywhere i found a motivating technical help to go ahead.
+Quirk Silver Sounds nice. If you are on Facebook,send me a friend request....its easy to send files there.
Where did you buy the chinese carbon wheels???
+Jeric Uy Yoeleo
Have you seen the Zuus wheels? I am tempted by them.
+dguzmics Yes. There wasnt much longterm feedback when i did this video,so difficult to say much about them. Zuus website states a "return if not happy" policy and they accept "paypal",so thats a plus. Keep in mind,if the wheels fail after 3 months or more,it may be difficult to get compensated. Always go by "longterm" reviews...a set of carbon wheels should give you at least 10,000km useage. Cheers...Steven
Kent Wong...having a family member that works at ZIPP in Indiana USA, they lay up all their carbon at their plant there, not in China. Having ridden ZIPP for years I can say that the 'copies' simply don't ride the same, last as long, hold up as well and so on. Put 4800 miles on a pair of ZIPP's, no broken spokes and as true as the day they were brand new at close to 5k miles.......
I do agree that buying cheep Chinese knock-offs is essentially supporting criminals that are stealing form companies that have spent millions on R & D building a product.....save your money, buy the real stuff, don't support criminals.
There are plenty of builders here in the USA that make all their own products. This being said most shopping for budget $400 Chinese wheels are doing so out of necessity as the $$ isn't there to buy the real stuff. Moots, Durango Bike Co, ZIPP, Catrike, Ellsworth just to name a few of the many, many that still build here in the good old USA......
In the end to each their own.......for my money I choose to support USA made products
To start with I couldn't tell if the wheels on the bike where the chinese ones. I guess you put the EASTON decals on after you bought them.
Yes ...Easton decals on the chinese wheels after :)
+oz cycle oh you should add an annotation or something because Easton actually makes good carbon stuff I was confused
I bought Ekay 38mm deep, 23mm width carbon rims with Novatec 271 hubs in April of 2014. Paid $360 + $60 s/h = The pair for $420 total (direct from Ekay - NOT off of ebay). So far so good...3 years on with 13,000km's.
+Projekt Archetype - X Sounds good but 13km? ....Do you mean 13,000km?
I have over 4k miles on my Chinese carbons and not a single issue. Great wheels!!!
+Ron Verre Thats great Ron!
+Ron Verre may I ask which wheels?
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@@yingxin6691 哪里买的？
We are small carbon repair company and must say problem with brake surface has many brands. We repair damages brake surface on Rovals, Eastons, Shimanos and lot more. Most problematic are clincher wheels with classic tyres. You have to use right brake pads and not buy cheapest rims
He is absolutely correct. Heavy riders dont equal light and fast. I learned this the hard way after putting $1500 on a pair of carbon rins that lasted maybe 500 miles.
I weighed about 240 when they warped .
So I just spent $500 for a set of dtswiss pr1600 wish me luck.
Sure wish that my bike shop would had been decent enough to recomend disk brakes. I mean it's not like they couldn't see my 18" biceps or the legs...
How did they not see that and be like dude you need disk brakes.
Do your own maintenance and buy online.
Mad mechanic depends on your budget and schedule tbh
People need to take into account the weight of a 'cheap' set of wheels and a set that costs maybe 2500.00 when not on sale, one set might weight 1600 and another more expensive 1100, that makes a noticeable difference. I have several bikes and an Evo hi mod with Enve 45 tubulars and 240 hubs, total weight is 1120 so super light and also bought on a huge sale so I paid under 1800.00 vs 2500.00. I really think high end carbon wheels aren't intended to be used on every ride so you don't wear then out quickly, plenty of great wheels for more daily use like Mavic RSYS which I have on another bike, some people have a very high end bike and 2 sets of wheels as well, also have to think of damage when using carbon on a regular basis
Yes, that's very true. i have a pair of Zipp 404s that i use for races and a pair of Fulcrum Racing Quattros for normal rides. Just remember to change the brake pads and it's all fine
what hubs are on these wheels? powerway or novatec? any recommendations on which to get
yeah zipp makes great wheels, maybe i'll buy some if a ever get a job at goldman-sachs
i dont to take the risk by buying cheap stuff for my bike if a part cause a crash because of cheap parts braking. 25 km away from where i live is a bike/ski shop that is extremely good at expierince by bikes and skees. the price of the bikes, wheels, bike parts, skees and equipment is very expensive but in the end its very good quality. and the service, advises and generally small talk about the gear they`re selling is very good :) and they teached me how to change the tubes, changing the spokes, tune the gears, learing about the pressure of the tubes on spesifik roadtypes and how i sit on the bike! :D the shop is called reser. (reseras.no) i have 2 bikes. both bought at reser. the first one was a road bike (ghost race 6000 black aluframe) the other was a mountain bike (ghost SE TWO 2000 black and signal yellow), aluframe. both of the bikes have no problems. i have only changed the tubes and tyres. both of them have done around 5000km in 2 years. i am also a pretty heavy biker. (138kg) but both bikes handle my weight very good. so the shopkeepers helped me by finding a strong and sturdy bike that handles my weight. :D im sorry if my english is not on top notch but i hope you understand the most of it XD keep in mind that about 2,5 years ago i weighted 155kg.. so im trying my best to keep pushing the weight down. my goal is 99,9 kg! wis me luck!
Are these genuine Easton wheels? Or are these off-brand wheels with Easton markings?
+Leigh Greenquist They are Yoeleo wheelset with Easton stickers Leigh.
Wow I'm shocked, a man with common sense and good logical information not beating his own drum. I follow no one but I'm subscribing, keep up the good fight.
Thanx Bob for compliments. Social media is giving even the little people a big voice. This helps keep the comercial world more honest and impartial. People make the world go around,not money,hey? :)
Thanks for the vid, Steven, so if i understand it right, higher carbon wheels are better for a heavy rider then low aluminium wheels ?
If you mean the "section" or "depth" of the rim,then yes it is stronger than aluminium.
very informative video and non-bias over Chinese-made carbon wheels which could perform well much like the "originals" and break much like the "originals" would...
Hi Oz cycle,
So glad that you are an aussie (you have the best detailed reviews!) and you are massively informative! I migrated here and really into cycling... at the moment got a Reid Osprey 2014 for a cheap used price, upgraded the tyres to 25C Vittoria pave now i am MUCH into going for the AERO clincher wheels as i have a set of Alexrims da16 which i think are bad (stock through Reid)
Anyway i am just confused in 2 things, The Freelance shops outside from aliexpress should be cheaper, but meanwhile aliexpress has annual sales discounts starting tomorrow. And i love the Decals on offering! (if its in my hand i would get a non-fake decal as i just love the color customization they give to your bicycle thats all)
second thing is Hub and Spokes choice! R13 or R36 (powerway) or Novatec, and most importantly going ceramic is worth it? and leave the standard spokes or pay for the upgrade to DT swiss or any other big name aero spokes?
I am aiming at 50-60 mm 23 rim width (23-25c tires only)
I am an amateur road cyclist but i am much into it.
+Quirk Silver CN aero pilar. Yes Reid Osprey...great bike for the price. Aliexpress is not responsible for warranty issues with products they host. You are still have to deal with the individual seller upon ordering and after sales service. Look into long term review on the sellers products....usually forums. You can always buy decals somewhere else....i bought mine from the UK. CN aero and Pilar are also reliable chinese spokes. Powerway and Novatec are great hubs. Personal recommendation is Yoeleo for a great wheelset. Cheers....Steven
Hi again mate, by the way today is Ali express Anniversary sales there is real discounts but only when you use the mobile APP (speaking of 10-15% ++) .. i hope you can benefit of this. There is ~5 sellers with 100+ orders and years old and most importantly 20-70 Real feedback ... Thanks a lot for sharing your information, if i did not buy within the sale I will definitely give yoleo a try.
+Quirk Silver No probs. Keep in touch and let us know how your new wheels turn out. .....Steven
+oz cycle I think my wheels will be shipped soon, i bought them from an Aliexpress shop (as you said picked a vendor with Good feedback over many months or a year+) will give you full feedback once i get them.
They are U-Shaped 23 mm wide(most important part here :) 50 mm deep (like yours) although i wanted the 25 wider ones but understood the aero advancements /trends too late after i ordered the 23, 20/24 spokes, Novatec 291 (for the better bearings) but looks like even if novatec 271/291 is steel but still its dented easily (i think powerway 13 can die out much sooner then so its good i did not pick them up)... got some Service course 23c Michelin pair with a couple of latex tubes (A1 michelin) being shipped atm.
I have to add that decals usually cost ~ 105 AUD with most of them, if you got a pair with free Decal option, they are definitely higher initial cost (just like the free shipping bogus :) )
Meanwhile i got the following so far: Carbon Drop Bars from another aliexpress shop, decals as i liked (fluro green) weight is out of this world the saddle is 95g !! The Handle bar is integrated Stem one its like 320 g or so! If you need to take a look at all when the wheels are there you are most welcome or i will upload some video with them for you or others as well.
I lost my job last week(mech/production eng) so really on a tight budget to buy any of those 1000s of dollars bicycle gears... but on the other side building slowly a good set of tools
I also got a Shifter set, Microshift Centos 10X2 spd(2nd best) i will use it with the 8X2spd shimano i got at the moment until i can upgrade the cassette/crank later.
Just left you a message on your other video, but after seeing this one in making me wondering if they are worth it.Let me know what you thing.Thanks!..
The cog wear on the freehub body is caused by a loose cassette block. Happened to me before on a dt swiss 240 hub
+John Oconnor A loose cogset can exacerbate the wear but the lateral force from the locknut is not going to hold back cogs biting into the body....it will happen over time anyhow John.
Hi, Amazing Video. Could you please tag me to any links where I can get myself a road bike?
thank you, very informative.
How bout carbon frames made in china?
+OugaBoogaShockwave Glad you like the vid. Yes I have a full Chinese bike coming soon and will be doing complete review on it. Cheers
THX, looking forward to seeing the vid :)
sweet video man. thanks for taking the time and give us all this info.
+Jose Gonzalez Your welcome Jose :)
how about the Chinese carbon frameset?
Yes...any sugestions? I was thinking of reviewing a DengFu.
+oz cycle it is the most important that whether those framesets are dangerous,,,i mean the safety concerns.Actually,there are many guys who want a carbon bike but they can't afford an ice-watering price,,,so Chinese carbon bike is the best option.
Best to view sellers feedback. If buyers are happy,it should be a safe and afordable product.
+oz cycle Have you bought?
+徒生 not a good choice.
Steven, those are Easton EC90 aero wheelset. Unless you got a knock-off pair, which you should EXPLICITLY divulge, this could be consider grounds for a slander lawsuit. BMC Pro Cycling Team and other UCI pro teams uses Easton components, just as they use Zipp, Campy/Bora and many others.
Hi Eaton. The "Eastons" in this vid are chinese wheels with "Easton" stickers. The "Zipps" are genuine a wheelset.
Yes Steven, I realise that the Eastons were fake - there was never a EC90 TKO but my point is that other might not be as knowledgeable as you or I and you may have inadvertently damaged a brand. Regardless, I guess it's a case for Easton Sports to decide. Cheers,
Yeah, I've got a nice Chinese carbon frame but have stuck with alloy rims. As I understand it, there's a problem with carbon clincher rims used with rim brakes. The rim wall is thin on clinchers where the tyre bead hooks under while the the rim brake pads heat up the rim surface and melt the resin. It's this that causes rim failure and blowouts, whether they're Chinese rims or "real" ones. It's one reason behind the industry's push for disc brakes, as obviously with disc brakes you won't have this issue (also rim brakes with a tubular profile rim will be okay - it's the combination of clincher rim, rim brakes and carbon that's the problem apparently). But alloy rims should do ya fine. Mine are 35mm and very responsive. Straight pull spokes and a wider flange make a noticeable difference though in terms of power transmission, so look out for them.
+podfunk Thanx for the insight podfunk,you have a good grasp of carbon wheel design. Lets hope the UCI allows disc brakes permanently so we can enjoy carbon wheels safely.
You are right . If you want carbon wheels buy tubular. Carbon clincher are no lighter than aluminum wheels and not structurally sound. Disk wheels are even heavier... If you want light: carbon + tubular, if you want reliable clincher + aluminum. If you want the best brakes especially in the rain go disks.
Hi, great video. Where did you buy your wheels? Still waiting for that next video!
Cheers
Good advice. Very clear explanation. Thanks Mate.
michael aspden13 minutes agoI bought a pair of 50mm yoeleo wheels a few years back.The front wheel cracked around the valve hole after two rides.The rear hub bearings went within a 150 miles.I contacted yoeleo ,and they wanted to send out a new hub, at my cost! I had the front wheel crack repaired by a very good company near me.at my cost as well.Yoeleo didn't want to know when I contacted them.There is a very good reason why other wheels are a lot more expensive. that's because they are built to last.These wheels have been sat idle in my garage for two years. You buy cheap,you buy twice.Never again.Avoid people, you will be disappointed.