Which Sharpener makes the longest lasting edge
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 20 ต.ค. 2023
- I thought it would be neat to see how well I could go with the TSPROF, the Worksharp Professional Pro, the KME and the Ken Onion.
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Bricky is a modern wonder. Science can't explain how he dulls knifes so quickly, yet keeps his tongue so sharp. Me myself personally, I think he doesn't just grind the edges down, he consumes the edge, absorbing them into his very soul!
All hail Bricky
Bricky for president
Which model Bricky is that? Isn't that the new model 5000?
Noticed that Bricky is on back order on Amazon, hopefully it will be in stock for holiday gift giving. Nicer than the lump of coal that I generally receive.
Pete has been putting out a lot of excellent content!
Not according to Bricky
This was a banger for sure
His choice of music still sucks...
The KME can technically apply a convex edge using the curved guide rod they offer, but I didn't notice much difference. The sharpening stone selection is part of the reason I went with KME. Can recommend.
I find I use my KME almost exclusively without the base.
Once the angle is set you're free to move around.
That's the benefit of a rod-guided system.
The pistol grip is a unique feature of the KME.
I like being able to sit back and sharpen while watching a movie or conversing.
I often sharpen friends knives while we sit and drink and talk. It's nice.
Plus, without the base you can sharpen in the field without the need for a counter to rest the base on. On the other hand, I use the base exclusively when in my kitchen. I bought a custom made CNC'd longer stainless pole for the base. Gives more room to flip linger blades.
I struggle with how much I need to spend on this hobby. Especially with sharpening. I have a Lansky system. It is a good starter system and cost me about $70 Canadian. I can get a decent edge with the the Lansky system but it is a bit "fiddly" and is difficult to replicate edges from time to time.
I would like to move up to the KME or Worksharp but I'm scared of being drawn in further to Knife Mania. Love watching these videos and this one was quite informative. Thanks!!!
Good to have hobbies. If you get good at sharpening, you can help others. Justification.
I’ve also got a Lansky, but I use my knives (army and now fire service) I’m not having a go at collectors I just can’t afford or more importantly justify mega bucks to my wife 😅, so my knives are nothing fancy. After asking advice on Bladeforums I found out toothy edges are better for day to day tasks and super, mirror polished edges seem to be a totally different hobby. Just my two cents worth. All the best.
You’ve been putting a lot of work in lately and I for one appreciate it! Thanks for the great content
Impeccable music throughout
I was feeling the nintendo 🔥🔥
my suggestion about the wobble in the KME base is, you can buy a detachable, multi-angle hobby vise for about the same cash. then there's no wobble and you've acquired a handy thing with many potential uses. downside is you might not be able to freely rotate the system as you work on different sections of longer blades, so you may need to move yourself a little instead. but then of course, a vise can hold any kind of improvised mounting rod etc. (and many competitor systems don't see a need for free rotation of the whole setup).
I used the blade grinder attachment on the KO Worksharp to re-haft a fixed blade handle with a proud tang. It really is a versatile system.
Another great video, Pete. Thanks for putting in the work on this video. Super interesting topic.
The Mario Kart start, four screens, the music, going black on finish… chef’s kiss.
YOLO Brickard.
Not only electronics can get bricked. I learned something new today.
Yay, when I saw the thumbnail, the past few videos I've been thinking of asking for your opinion is on the new worksharp precision pro system.
Great vid Pete! Thanks for taking the time for the explanations of the sharpeners and doing the tests. I'm surprised no aftermarket outfit hasn't come out with ceramics and polishing files for the TSProf.
I hope you don't have a terrible fire season this year.
I always look to Bricky to see his evaluation of the approach of your video, although his tells are quite subtle.
Love the new ‘TS PROF Hunter’. Sharpens swords and machetes.. unbelievable. I’ve seen it one of your videos of I’m not wrong.
Thanks for the video and knowledge you’ve shared with us
I know there’s going to be carnage when I see Bricky😮
Love my KME, especially how it came. You can order different levels of kit, and they hand-pack it in the carry case for you. They even give you a Sharpie and a little micro-fiber towel lol. Instruction manual is clear and explicit. Obv not as sophisticated as the new Worksharp, but it's still convenient and enjoyable to use.
It would be interesting to see if the results would be closer if the same (or very similar) stone systems were used for this test. Thank you so much for the efforts and sharing the results with the community!
Ordered the Work Sharp Professional as I’ve been using the Work Sharp Elite + kit, and the results when done properly after some practice are great. I was sold by the added stability of the professional for holding the blade still for a better truer edge, on top of the added advantage for purchasing diamond grit plates seperate versus whole units for the elite.
Very informative video! Thx! I chose the WS pro precision. Now I'm looking into some lapping film plates off of Etsy
exactly what i'm lookin for. thx for the effort.
That closing riddle was awesome.
Thanks very much, Pete, great overview. I've got the original Work Sharp Precision Adjust, which is a bit unstable. I wish I had waited for the Professional, but of course I didn't know it was coming.
Me too mate, me too
Those are not venev stones that the TSProf comes with. They are just basic diamond plates. Venev are diamond water stones. You always say they're venev but they're not.
IMO stones and finishing grit make just as big a difference as system. To really know, you'd need to use the same stones and same finishing grit on every system. That said, loved the video!!! Definitely still valuable and helpful.
Finishing grit depends highly on the type of steel and the protocol they used to heat treat that steel. Since not every company has the same protocol or even hardness. So classifying one particular steel name to a specific grit is not always idea.
Well done. Bought the Worksharp Field sharpener after the Sharpener Tier list video. It’s the absolute best. If you had nothing else no problem so yes I’ll be having the $$Worksharp. Thanks again and great video
Bricky knows what's up
Is it just me, or has Brickys voice changed? Pete, I really enjoyed this vid, I’ve been looking for a new sharpening system. You’ve given me the answers I was after. Thank you. Worksharp are getting better and better.
Thanks Pete
Love my KME I have everything that u can get for it makes my knives razor hair popping sharp though if I had it over again I’d probably go with the TS pro only because it sharpens larger knives say anything over 5 inches with much less of a hassle. What a coincidence I’m carrying the W.E Banter mines the blacked out version though 😊.
Always love your informative videos! And, I do share your sentiment with not living around anyone with our fascination. 😂
However, I own the Ken Onion Precision Adjust... it makes sharpening a breeze and provides convexed edges. However, it really seemed to hurt it's edge retention more so than before using it. I also had 2 knives get caught on the guide... producing a wave in my edges. I noticed keeping it out of the guide provided better edges @ lower risk.
So, I caved and spent good money on the Professional attachment. It has been working better than with the guide for me. However, I noticed you did this too in your video!!! You had used the back side of the belt because the belt feeds towards the edge. This seems more effective than away from the edge when I perform the sharpening.
So, my question- is the belt spinning toward your knifes edge more effective/okay to do? Or, are we doing this wrong? Is there an easy way to replicate doing this other than what you did with the Pro attachment?
Looking forward to your reply, love your content, and please keep up the awesome/informative work you do!
Thanks,
-Seth
Dulling on bricky reminded me of Cliff Stamp and his famous low grit sharpening method on a clay brick!
May he rest in peace. Legend.
Rip Cliff stamp. He was a stubborn son of a gn when he was wrong. But he was right about a lot of things too.
What was he wrong about?@@tacticalcenter8658
when using the work sharp precision adjust professional, please remember to use the support that fits under the clamp part. it stops the knife wobble
Thanks for this video! My dad has definitely got my money's worth out of his ken onion belt sharpener. I'm going to get him the precision adjust pro but I was sort of waiting for you to get your hands on it first lol.
Best riddle/joke, thanks, Bricky 😂
YOLO
Would love to see what you think of the blade grinding attachment for the Ken Onion work sharp!
Its hard to say the hardnesd of your knife but if we reference the luvthemknives hsrdness spreadsheet they rsnge from 56rc to 59.8rc.
With every edge you put on with each sharpening you get past the burnt factory edge, so later edges will get better. And might also increase the behind the edge thickness but probably not by that much to make a difference with only 4 edges.
Each steel might perform different depending on the finishing grit and also depending on the heat treatment protocol used aka the microstructure and hardness.
From your data it would seem the higher the grit the higher the edge retention with this particular s35vn we knife example. As the kme went to the highest progression. It looks like they all are in step based on their finishing grit though.
It would be cool to see the wicked edge system as well.
Thank u. Dude.
I have a 3 stone set that I manually shapen my knives but I have been thinking about getting that work sharp belt sander for when I need to sharpen a knife fast and to sharpen my lawn mower blade.
1. You gotta check out the resin bonded diamond stones. They're awesome. Great cutting and some of the best mirror polishes I've come across once you get up in the higher grits. I use the Edge Pro branded ones, but I hear the Venevs are wicked nice too.
2. You should make another dickhead survival video and try to sharpen a knife on brickey rather than dulling them on him.
3. Did you catch the new Esee Sencillo release? I feel like it would be right up your alley since you love the Makos so much. This one's made for them by White River. In A2 ATM with a Magnacut version dropping soon.
Imo if you take the blade grinding attachment and put the front pulley on the higher of the two positions, you will get about the best edge the machine can give you. It won’t be the same as a fixed-angle sharpener in the right hands. But you can fight it by making your angles lower or by taking it to a stone after to take a bit of the convexity out by hand.
Looks like the Worksharp got wider belts, cool! I use the tool sharpener for everything it's great! I use the KME a lot. I like the diamond stones, also the tapes on glass. They have a great variety of abrasives!
I'm curious to know if the knife had been sharpened previous to this test. If not, the results might be skewed by the typically weak/burned factory edge. As a rule (see Outpost76's testing), the edge retention of a new knife will improve over the first 2-3 sharpenings. Anyway, I agree that ultimate sharpness always comes down to the quality of the honing/stropping, assuming that the edge was apexed.
You can see that in this particular test, the numbers go up as the grit goes up. It is also very true that the more you sharpen the more cuts you will get as the burnt edges go away.
Oy mate
Using different stones makes all the difference.
The cbn stones from hapstone metallic binder are the most amazing edges.
I reckon if you soak Bricky in water, you could use him as a water stone.
Have you produced a video on sharpening and maintaining an edge on a straight ("cutthroat") razor?
Yolo! Bricky said it, don't forget it.
Hi I like your videos. I went to look at your shop. I was wondering if you had "Brickey" on a t-shirt ? My friend and I are going to the Perth Knife Show next year in Feb and wanted to both wear a t-shirt from. Your store.
the world needs a Bricky plushie.
Only for a women or men with too much estrogen
HE UPGRADED THE WORKSHARP BELT GRINDER! PRAISE BE!
I keep saying that you need a nice set of resin bonded diamond or CBN 1x6 stones. Hapstone is my current favorite. Venev's are also quite good. The 5K stones will polish an edge very nearly as good as any lapping film.
Agreed 1000%. The edge pro matrix stones are perhaps even better than the venev.
@@tacticalcenter8658I definitely prefer my edge pro matrix stones over venevs, especially the finer grits. Upside to venev used to be their price but now they cost the same if not more as the matrix stones so I don't see an upside to buying venev.
@@D00MTR33 iirc and that may have changed, venev had a lower grit option that worked better than the matrix stones. But ultimately if you wanted a low grit option for removing steel fast, atoma had the best option iirc. Though this could have changed since I last looked.
@@tacticalcenter8658 They are indeed good stones, I've sharpened a couple hundred knives on my set.
Hey mate,
As a beginner with a knife sharpener kit (didn't get stones). But, will only really be sharpening my own and extended family knives when needed (rarely).
Is there a good bang for buck option in the sharpening stones?
And what grades should I get?
Cheers
I have the basic worksharp precision adjust, with added lapping films from a guy off of etsy. I never know at what stage to use the ceramic, would you say after the 600 grit and before the lapping films?
Get the aftermarket stone holder in aluminum. Then get 6x1 stones for it.
Sorry but TSProf (like any other system that takes 1x6 stones) has the biggest range available by far. We have edge pro original and diamond matrix, shapton, chosera water and diamond, all sorts of diamond, cbn and wayer stone sets available for them. Some are available for the KME as well but id guess only 20% of what's out there. Plus a lot of systems have adjustable stone holders so you can use bigger stones while KME is limited to 1x4 stones (i guess some aftermarket stone holders let you use 1x6 stones).
Good point. I appreciate the way Pete based this test on what comes in the kit, but if you're willing to fork out the extra for the TSProf, you're also probably willing to spring for some extra plates.
It does beg the question, though: why is the TSProf both the most expensive and the least featured? If you're going to be charging so much more (understandable considering the quality), the least you can do is provide a similar range of stones/strops in the box to you're cheaper competition.
@@gpearce11 they do have sets with better stones instead but they do cost more. Or you can buy just the system for less and build your own kit which is what I did since I already had a bunch of stones from my edge pro. The stones you get are pretty similar to the worksharp except you don't get a strop (which I don't mind since I wouldn't use theirsp green compound on leather anyway and make one with my own compound) or a ceramic which is probably pretty nice if it's like their other ceramic stones. But they rarely use ceramic stones in Russian except the Triangle or a kitchen knife hone.
Dimitry. 😊
Does the Ken Onion version tend to round off tip like original version?
Do you not bump the bar in the Worksharp when it’s horizontal?
With these types of angle guided sharpeners is it better to go back and forth or one direction only? There is always a debate
There's hardly any banter left haha
I wish TSProf stones are more available and easy to find. I'm still stuck with the basic ones it came with and can't seem to find a good high grit stones or leather attachments for mine.
TS Prof can use any stone from any system with the universal stone holder. I use all kinds from diamond to chosera to leather strops with all kinds of compound.
Top notch
You can clean the fine ceramic plate with a pink eraser
14:50 should have used the little block to put under it I think, the clamp is bending pretty badly
just a heads-up, appreciate the videos
Those results were not surprising. The TSprof tops out at a 1000grit diamond plate, while the other systems go higher and include a stop or lapping film. If you were to follow up with a 2000 or 3000 grit stone and some stropping with diamond paste, the results would be the same as the other two. I think at the price of the unit, a finer ceramic stone and stop should be included, kinda like with the worksharp.
One of the main advantages of the prof is not only the size range it can take, but also the range of edge angles. I believe anything between roughly 10 and 35 degrees per side, with is better then the other systems. Its the main reason Im considering it ATM.
TSProf will work with any of the 6X1 or even 4X1 stones available so you can go much higher. I use the edge pro 2300 and 4000 on my TSPROF and some high grit choseras too- even have a set of Arkansas stones (soft, hard, tans and black) for it.
It’s my fav of the precision guided sharpeners. It’s more $ (minus the wicked edge) but it’s phenomenal. I’ve gotten various accessories too- angle cube, convex attachment and such. I highly recommend it!
Just spend the money you was going to use on the system on some quality benchatones and invest the time and devotion in to learning free hand... more control, more versatile, better edge quality (once you get to a high level), faster and many many more pluses once the skills have been developed.
@@EDCandLace agreed. Nothing comes close to benchstones and ultimate much cheaper in the long run- tho I’ve also spent a small fortune on those - Japanese naturals and Belgian coticles lol. I started sharpening straight razors about 15 years ago (I’ve got a ZZ Top beard now) so rarely break out any of those. But do use Arkansas, and my selection of naniwas, suehiro and atoma plates on kitchen and edc folding and fixed blades now lol, It’s a deep rabbit hole- but for someone to stick to the basics it can be a very cheap alternative- snag a few King stones and a holder and focus on technique
…… not to mention the stropping/compound rabbit hole to boot
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It’s fun tho, and it doesn’t hurt to have some super scary sharp tools either!!
@@joshuarosenblatt You've got a recommendation for a finer grit stone for the prof? I was thinking about a 3000 grit, and then finish up with a 5 micron diamond paste on a leather strop. I don't really have to go finer then that. Should I go with a diamond or ceramic stone? Any brands you can recommend, for the diamond paste aswell? They sell a bunch of stones right on the Tsprof website, are those any good?
Brutal Bricky
I've gotten way better results with the Ken Onion with the Grinder attachment than with a fixed angle like a Wicked Edge. So i guess it just comes down to the sharpener operator. And the grits at hand
Same actually
It always does.
It's give objectively worse edge retention when both are used to the best of their ability. Larrin Thomas has a decent article on it.
The Ken Onion sharpener has a distinct advantage for flexible knives like fillet and boning.
Show your data if you say its better. Else your just making things up.
i would like to see the ken onion tested further vs a non belt sharpened edge. on the belt grinding attachment you can put the pullies closer together which is supposed to reduce the convex. there is a lot of speculation online that the belt sharpeners burn or ruin the heat treat on your edges and you get reduced edge retention if you use them, but i haven't seen anyone test that to back it up and i'm curious if it still happens on a variable speed belt that can have the speed turned down like on the ken onion or it only happens on factory sharpened knives where they are grinding the initial edge on a high speed belt
Knife grinder Australia, outdoor55 both did videos on that
I love Bricky's jolly jests! 😂
YOLO indeed!
Major issue with the worksharp is that you were grinding your thumb stud a lot.
It all comes down to who's doing the sharpening and their technique.
Oh Mr. Bricky
Would anyone happen to know the maximum spine thickness the Worksharp Professional system can accommodate? Thanks!
1/4 inch
Makes me feel better about my KME. Bought it about a year ago after watching this channel for a while and realizing that my aging hands were having issues with free handing whetstones. Then the TSProf bro's started showing up, swinging theirs around and saying theirs was bigger. Good to have some validation on choosing the 1500 grit on 4" stones (plus strops and lapping films) over 1000 grit on 6"stones.
I think that if I had to sharpen more than just my personal blades I could justify the price of a TSProf Cadet Pro ($824 usd) over the Kme ($230 + ~$200 for strops, lapping films, convex rod, recurve rod, etc). If TSProf offered the same range of grits and the extra polishing of strops and lapping films It would win by a good margin. Theirs may be bigger, but mine has style and finesse!
The other systems can do just as good or better depending on the stones and progressions used. The cadet has the ability to use hundreds of stone snd strop options and the worksharp has an aftermarket holder that can use those same options. There may even be a kme stone holder that can hold 6x1 stones too. Heck if you can sharpen by hand you just need the 6x1 stones and save on the sharpener systems.
@@tacticalcenter8658 There's a lot of aftermarket parts available for all the systems on places like gritomatic.
@@tacticalcenter8658exactly. There's hundreds of sets of 1x6 stones. Edge pro original and diamond matrix (my current favorite), venev, shaptons, many naniwa including diamond bonded stones, suehiro, so much Boride, all sorts of bonded diamond and cbn stones and many other water stones. Then there's hundreds of strops from any kind of leather, wood, hetinax, cast iron or just using tape over a blank (I'm loving 3m Micropore medical tape). The range is almost unlimited.
Some of those are available for the kme or you can buy a 1x6 aftermarket stone holder for it.
love the 70's police drama music
I’m excited to see how this video ends. I’m in the market to replace my edge pro apex.
FYI the blade grinder attachment for the work sharp Ken onion is an even bigger upgrade, you have to give it a shot!
You dont need to replace the edge pro. Its the most versatile system of the bunch. This is proven by pro sharpeners. Table top systems can do so much more than a clamp system and do more types of blade geometry. Perhaps other table systems from hapstone are slightly more unique and offered in metal and not plastic. E.P. does have a pro system. They also have some of the best diamond matrix stones on the market.
Curious with the KME...after 1000’s of knives have you replaced the diamond stones? I have re-profiled and sharpened between 50-100 blades in a multitude of steels. The 50 and 100 grit stones seem to take forever now.
Yes he has. I dont know how often, but you have to when they wear out or they don't cut. It would be idea for anyone with a kme to get venev bonded stones to refresh the stones and they will last even longer than the kme stones.
Also the beast 50 grit is not recommended because of how thick the scratch pattern is. Its near impossible to remove them in the later progressions and any mirror you have will be grey vs a true mirror.
If properly used(not pressing down alot when using them, allowing the diamond to cut.). You should get 150-200 blades sharpened.
What are you using the 50 grit for!?! 50 and 100 should be your least used stones. 200 and up should get used ALOT more vs 50 and 100. 😅
I only use the 50 and 100 grit stones when doing a heavy re-profiling. When I start getting close to the angle I want I progress to finer grits to start working on apexing the edge. Never had a problem getting great finish’s...
@@dlrmon1 you will want to use magnification to verify the 50 grit scratched are removed completely after the 100 grit and same after the 100 grit. I have a feeling you dont know exactly what it means to have great finishes and assume. You know what they say about assuming.
I've settled on the Warthog as my sharpener. I had the very basic Lansky set, with 4 stones, for years. It worked, but was a bit of a pain to use.
I've tried using stones, but it's a skill I never really got.
Now my knives are sharp enough to work with, usually just about able to cut hair off my arm, but not amazingly.
The good part is that it takes me about 2 minutes to sharpen a knife. I usually sharpen when the knife can't smoothly slice a sheet of printer paper.
Remember that's putting the scratch pattern parallel to the cutting edge so your not getting any of the micro serrations cut in the apex that keeps bite in the edges for the life of the edge. If your using more budgety steels then it really don't matter but if your running nice knives with premium steels thru that thing you are doing a rather large disservice to them.
@@EDCandLace I haven't any really premium steels, fortunately. It's mostly AUS8, 440C, and one D2.
The angle of grind with the Warthog is diagonal, moving the blade down and backwards, so perhaps in between good and bad.
The warthog is not good at all. Would highly suggest getting stones to Sharpen on or a system that uses stones to Sharpen with. Buy a used system to get one at an affordable price.
@@tacticalcenter8658 You're right, of course. At this point, I'm not in a position to afford it, even second hand, but if my situation changes, I'll upgrade to a stone based method 😎
Careful with the Ken Onion... it easily tempers the blade
Bricky! Bricky!
The ending 😂
fuckin xenoblade music lmao. i love this channel
Warning jump scare at 9:57
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In Mother Russia, knife edge outlast YOU.
In the summary he makes the assumption that sharpening with finer grit makes the edge more long lasting, and that's why the different systems show different results.
Is there a prior video that proves this? Has he ever tried sharpening to different grits and comparing the rope durability?
It's more about the master and the abrasives
Some steel will do better with lower grits. As they will loose bite with mirrored edges. This depends on the heat treat thats used and the composition of the steel of course.
@@tacticalcenter8658 I agree, I just sharpened my fellas' shit knife on oil Borides, it was like masturbating. It was 440HC, about 53-54 HRC (due to my feelings) - not suitable for my grits. Longer live longer study
Seeing i have saved 300£ for a sharpening system this is the video for me
That ending though.......😂
What was the tsprof result?
Third, 11:59
what have you done with the real Bricky, i know an imposter when i see it.
How to cooperate with you? gentlemen😄
I'm loyal to KME. The one thing that wasn't mentioned is their fabulous customer service/technical help/replacement parts policy. FOR ME, I don't need the latest design, just something that works exceptionally well. BTW...BRICKY is absolutely correct at the end!!!
You really should try a system with 6x1 stones and the plethora of options available.
@@tacticalcenter8658 WHY? The KME 4" diamonds and the Naniwa Chosera 4" stone kit work perfectly. I can shave my bald head with all of my KME sharpened knives. I also have the ax/hatchet attachment and the convex sharpening rod. I have no use for more "options." Spending $800+ on another sharpening system would be a waste of my money. And you heard Pete say the KME did the best job of sharpening. You use whatever works best for you. I will continue with the KME.
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The guided angle "Lansky style" sharpeners have never worked for me. I've never had one of the premium ones, only Lansky, Worksharp Pro, and Smith's, but they have all been equally terrible in my hands. So for me, WSTKS is the answer, or the WSGFS.
They work fine for some people but overall they are not designed very good. You might just be better off buying bench stones and a stone holder and learning this way. You may like it a lot more.
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lol wheres the whetstones lol
not like you dont have over 100 knifes or anything lol
Click bait title? All edges should last the same amount of time if all of the variables are the same and the same angle is set on the knife edge. But I like the concept because some of these sharpeners are easier to get a good edge more quickly and others may never achieve the type of edge you want on your knife. But all things being equal and the edges off the systems are at the same angle, then the number of rope cuts by the knife sharpened on different systems will always be in the statistical margin of error.