" Fine line between fitness and health" " Many people are willing to trade in some health for little more fitness , they are really willing to hurt themselves for more fitness " Dr Phillip Maffetone
There is some evidence now that endurance athletes including triathletes may be at higher risk of eating disorders as well as unintentional RED-S. It feels like the awareness is slowly growing about this but it is a massive issue in sport.
many sites are now saying do not train so hard. Getting confused. I do rest but I know if I do not put in the work I will not get results. I will never be pro or even come in first. I just love the three sports and at 62 years old the time is going to come when I can not do them anymore. For now I will push the limits but still listen to my body and rest when required. Interesting thoughts though. Cheers.
Most pros know and practice getting enough sleep which research is showing to have the biggest impact on physcal and mental health. They also, aren't overweight which leads to all sorts of medical issues. In addition, they are much more conscious of nutrition than the general public. Coach potatoes have much more to worry about than pro triathletes.in regards to overall health.
regarding putting a pro athlete and a none athlete in bed together for a week, Im pretty sure the heart beat discrepancy would depend on how well they both got along with one another 🤣🤣
That is very interesting. I once read an article about scientific studies into the strain on special forces members who often are performing under physical and mental stress for hours, days and sometimes weeks, without sufficient sleep and nutrition, not to mention the lack of the everyday comforts of modern society. I don't remember the exact conclusion but increased risk of several types of cancer was concluded, along with a lot of other severe health conditions. Triathletes and special forces are obviously two very different things, but I think that it does go to show that training is fine, if you do it sensibly, and make sure that you do not exceed certain limits too often, or at all really.
Since I started running 5 years ago I have never been seek. Before that I have always got a cold 3-4 times especially during Winter. Currently I run every day with only 1-2 days of rest each Month and my goal is to to run a sub 3:00 hours marathon
Also with some pros is drug abuse. Body building is more noticeable, but dopping is found in cycling as well. Steroid abuse leads to premature heart attacks
Every activity can cause harm in all parts of the body. That's just how wear and tear works. That being said, I know swimmers in their 40s/50s that don't have chronic rotator cuff injuries and I also know older runner that have never had problems with knees and joints. It all depends on your form, how often you do it, how intense you increase your load, and a myriad of other factors.
tim odonnel had a bad diet of donuts and what not 5 years ago. he recently fixed it, so that is probably what got him through that tri where he had a heart attack rather than dropping dead.
Surprised by the large amounts of negative comments. I agree that overtraining has consequences and that fitness does not imply health... HOWEVER, look at the general population nowadays compared to elite athletes.. it's simply not even comparable. For me (like many) I either work super hard or chill super hard. I'd much rather have a problem being too active than too seditary. Triathlon is relatively new so let's look at 2 legends: Mark Allen and Dave Scott.. how do they look for their age? They are in their 63 and 67, now look at the average American man in their 60s. Sure looks don't mean everything but I'm gonna to assume they are leaps and bounds healthier than average. #broscience
There have been links between diabetes and high gel/sugar use in pro cyclists i think.. maybe I misremembered that. I think like all things it’s when extremes get involved that problems start. Those athletes who are not pro so not so ‘looked after’ but very serious age groupers are almost more at risk-perhaps they’ve come to it later so don’t have the base and don’t have someone noticing their dips in performance that may indicate health issues or worrying overly quick weight loss etc. Exercise is extremely addictive and over exercising in an uncontrolled unmonitored way can be very dangerous. (Speaking from experience here)
@@XX-is7ps no I’m not sure either but it was mentioned somewhere that some studies had found a link but I can’t for the life of me remember where so I can’t check (probably shouldn’t have mentioned it then haha)
Can anyone tell me how to overcome partial tibial soleus tear(calf strain) ,,, it has been 3 days and i can't even think about take one step on floor. İ feel my calf like a balloon.
No it’s not a strain Athletes train for this plus most Athletes especially the Pro’s will have a much lower resting heart rate producing less heart beats per day than a unhealthy normal person who only trains 30 mins per week
Cool topic, thanks! The health of everyone, also pro triathletes, depends on the quality of the autonomic nervous system. If this is of interest to you, there are some videos on my channel regarding health in general and specific health issues, also in athletes.
The whole debate about total heartbeats obviously is skewed. The heart-rate in rest is so much lower for well trained persons compared to non-exercising people that this more than compensates the higher heart rate during exercise over a 24 hr period.
pro body builders are pumping so much enhancing steroids' and crap into there system they are not healthy people the could not run 50 meters without dyeing for air
You can't compare bodybuilding to triathlon. (I'm an ex competitive bodybuilder) Even if you were to take a endurance athlete who dopes vs a pro bodybuilder, an endurance athlete would use the drugs within relative 'therapeutic' amounts, an endurance athlete would not be served by high doses of steroids or HGH as that comes with water gain. Bodybuilders use often grams of steroids a week (vs. A 150mg a week therapeutic dose of testosterone for low T patients), they also use anti estrogens closer to shows which really mess your blood lipids profile, then we're talking high blood pressure from the excessive weight gain/water retention. All stuff an endurance athlete would never encounter, even if they doped.
Given triathlon barely existed until the 70s and wasn't a big thing until a couple of decades later, there probably isn't good data on this. But a study on Tour de France cyclists from 1930-64 showed they lived 8 years longer on average than the general population (and iirc the same is true to a lesser extent for bodybuilders in the pre-drugs era). Not sure if or how much modern drugs change that but it surely can't compare to what bodybuilders do.
This is so skewed, even I who train 20 hour weeks sometimes know that its taking years off my life. Intense exercise is not healthy for longterm health period. Not only does it damage the heart it damages joints etc. GTN I love the show but skewing info is a nono. In fact im pretty sure Richard Murray and Tim Donnell heart problems are definitely related to sport they just can publicly say that. Tim’s heart attack is probably due to overexercising, EPO (like we all should know pros are doping even if they dont come out positive) and heart strain.
But surely the resting/ normal heart rate during the day is far lower for a professional athlete compared to the average joe and the person who does no exercise thus balancing out? 🤷♂️
@@AncoraImparoPiper yea, but the body is not supposed to be training at that high of a level. You could have the best coach in the world and the best diet, but when you train at the professional level you aren't always completely healthy.
@@habajah5416 This does not match my personal experience. I was a rower at Olympic level for three years. It was tough and practically a full time job: I trained twice a day, six days a week, ate and slept for the rest of the time. It was tough but I was definitely at peak health at that time. It all depends on each individual and some individuals just push themselves beyond the prescribed training intensity. In general, if training is carefully individualised and adhered to, an athlete's health should not be detrimentally affected.
Crossfit is also riddles with PED's .... not saying Triathlon isn't but I don't believe to the same extent. Just a look at the average high level crossfit female says it all: HGH jaws, virilization, HGH guts, ... it's ridiculous really that some people believe it's all done on protein shakes.
" Fine line between fitness and health" " Many people are willing to trade in some health for little more fitness , they are really willing to hurt themselves for more fitness " Dr Phillip Maffetone
There is some evidence now that endurance athletes including triathletes may be at higher risk of eating disorders as well as unintentional RED-S. It feels like the awareness is slowly growing about this but it is a massive issue in sport.
many sites are now saying do not train so hard. Getting confused. I do rest but I know if I do not put in the work I will not get results. I will never be pro or even come in first. I just love the three sports and at 62 years old the time is going to come when I can not do them anymore. For now I will push the limits but still listen to my body and rest when required. Interesting thoughts though. Cheers.
Most pros know and practice getting enough sleep which research is showing to have the biggest impact on physcal and mental health. They also, aren't overweight which leads to all sorts of medical issues. In addition, they are much more conscious of nutrition than the general public. Coach potatoes have much more to worry about than pro triathletes.in regards to overall health.
All pro athletes train hard. No sport is healthy at the professional level.
When I was training and competing triathlons 10+ years ago one thing I remember is that I was always ill with colds and flu . Used to drive me insane
regarding putting a pro athlete and a none athlete in bed together for a week, Im pretty sure the heart beat discrepancy would depend on how well they both got along with one another 🤣🤣
lol
That is very interesting. I once read an article about scientific studies into the strain on special forces members who often are performing under physical and mental stress for hours, days and sometimes weeks, without sufficient sleep and nutrition, not to mention the lack of the everyday comforts of modern society. I don't remember the exact conclusion but increased risk of several types of cancer was concluded, along with a lot of other severe health conditions. Triathletes and special forces are obviously two very different things, but I think that it does go to show that training is fine, if you do it sensibly, and make sure that you do not exceed certain limits too often, or at all really.
You guys haven't done your job properly....Atrial fibrillation ! there is a clear link between Afib and endurance training !!!!
Since I started running 5 years ago I have never been seek. Before that I have always got a cold 3-4 times especially during Winter. Currently I run every day with only 1-2 days of rest each Month and my goal is to to run a sub 3:00 hours marathon
I'd be curious to compare with pro decathloners - they have some more strength and mobility trainings probably
Also with some pros is drug abuse. Body building is more noticeable, but dopping is found in cycling as well. Steroid abuse leads to premature heart attacks
Swimming can cause problems with rotator cuffs ;) speaking from my own experience
Every activity can cause harm in all parts of the body. That's just how wear and tear works. That being said, I know swimmers in their 40s/50s that don't have chronic rotator cuff injuries and I also know older runner that have never had problems with knees and joints. It all depends on your form, how often you do it, how intense you increase your load, and a myriad of other factors.
tim odonnel had a bad diet of donuts and what not 5 years ago. he recently fixed it, so that is probably what got him through that tri where he had a heart attack rather than dropping dead.
In a couple of the podcasts he did, it was mentioned his condition had a genetic component. It was not just the poor diet
How about GI issues though? Running on empty stomach for hours, loading up on supplements to bring calories in, that has to have an impact somehow...
Surprised by the large amounts of negative comments. I agree that overtraining has consequences and that fitness does not imply health... HOWEVER, look at the general population nowadays compared to elite athletes.. it's simply not even comparable.
For me (like many) I either work super hard or chill super hard. I'd much rather have a problem being too active than too seditary.
Triathlon is relatively new so let's look at 2 legends: Mark Allen and Dave Scott.. how do they look for their age? They are in their 63 and 67, now look at the average American man in their 60s. Sure looks don't mean everything but I'm gonna to assume they are leaps and bounds healthier than average.
#broscience
There have been links between diabetes and high gel/sugar use in pro cyclists i think.. maybe I misremembered that. I think like all things it’s when extremes get involved that problems start. Those athletes who are not pro so not so ‘looked after’ but very serious age groupers are almost more at risk-perhaps they’ve come to it later so don’t have the base and don’t have someone noticing their dips in performance that may indicate health issues or worrying overly quick weight loss etc. Exercise is extremely addictive and over exercising in an uncontrolled unmonitored way can be very dangerous. (Speaking from experience here)
@@XX-is7ps no I’m not sure either but it was mentioned somewhere that some studies had found a link but I can’t for the life of me remember where so I can’t check (probably shouldn’t have mentioned it then haha)
Average person exercises to stay healthy. Athletes exercise to compete, healthy or not.
Can anyone tell me how to overcome partial tibial soleus tear(calf strain) ,,, it has been 3 days and i can't even think about take one step on floor. İ feel my calf like a balloon.
Just rest. Avoid stretching. Eat good quantity of protein and fat.
No it’s not a strain Athletes train for this plus most Athletes especially the Pro’s will have a much lower resting heart rate producing less heart beats per day than a unhealthy normal person who only trains 30 mins per week
New presenter is so choppy, lots of ; ; in the middle of normal sentences
Cool topic, thanks! The health of everyone, also pro triathletes, depends on the quality of the autonomic nervous system. If this is of interest to you, there are some videos on my channel regarding health in general and specific health issues, also in athletes.
As a scientist I have to say this is pretty much their own view and as far away from an objective analysis as it can be.
Was going to say the same
Not so sure; as a scientist you could state there might be a bias, as they dont share their references.
The whole debate about total heartbeats obviously is skewed. The heart-rate in rest is so much lower for well trained persons compared to non-exercising people that this more than compensates the higher heart rate during exercise over a 24 hr period.
Do pro triathletes have a history of premature deaths like pro body builders do?
A comparison to pro Cyclists might be worth as well
pro body builders are pumping so much enhancing steroids' and crap into there system they are not healthy people the could not run 50 meters without dyeing for air
probably abuse epo
You can't compare bodybuilding to triathlon. (I'm an ex competitive bodybuilder)
Even if you were to take a endurance athlete who dopes vs a pro bodybuilder, an endurance athlete would use the drugs within relative 'therapeutic' amounts, an endurance athlete would not be served by high doses of steroids or HGH as that comes with water gain.
Bodybuilders use often grams of steroids a week (vs. A 150mg a week therapeutic dose of testosterone for low T patients), they also use anti estrogens closer to shows which really mess your blood lipids profile, then we're talking high blood pressure from the excessive weight gain/water retention.
All stuff an endurance athlete would never encounter, even if they doped.
Given triathlon barely existed until the 70s and wasn't a big thing until a couple of decades later, there probably isn't good data on this. But a study on Tour de France cyclists from 1930-64 showed they lived 8 years longer on average than the general population (and iirc the same is true to a lesser extent for bodybuilders in the pre-drugs era). Not sure if or how much modern drugs change that but it surely can't compare to what bodybuilders do.
Like everything else in life one has to find the right balance.
This is so skewed, even I who train 20 hour weeks sometimes know that its taking years off my life. Intense exercise is not healthy for longterm health period. Not only does it damage the heart it damages joints etc. GTN I love the show but skewing info is a nono. In fact im pretty sure Richard Murray and Tim Donnell heart problems are definitely related to sport they just can publicly say that. Tim’s heart attack is probably due to overexercising, EPO (like we all should know pros are doping even if they dont come out positive) and heart strain.
Where is the data to support your assertions?
Woah where did that couch come from lol?
Good video.
But surely the resting/ normal heart rate during the day is far lower for a professional athlete compared to the average joe and the person who does no exercise thus balancing out? 🤷♂️
Any physical sport such as running, cycling, swimming is never healthy at the professional level
A professional coach's job is to keep their athlete healthy.
@@AncoraImparoPiper yea, but the body is not supposed to be training at that high of a level. You could have the best coach in the world and the best diet, but when you train at the professional level you aren't always completely healthy.
@@habajah5416 This does not match my personal experience. I was a rower at Olympic level for three years. It was tough and practically a full time job: I trained twice a day, six days a week, ate and slept for the rest of the time. It was tough but I was definitely at peak health at that time. It all depends on each individual and some individuals just push themselves beyond the prescribed training intensity. In general, if training is carefully individualised and adhered to, an athlete's health should not be detrimentally affected.
@@AncoraImparoPiper At olympic level training hormones can be messed up, which isn't good for anyone
Normal healthy fat procentage is not 7-15% among men. Very little percentages of men is 15% or below.
thanks to the globalization of processed foods, fatter people are being normalized
@@rogerleszczynski9693 its very normal to be a man, being healthy and have a fat procentage of 18-22.
"No one trains harder than Pro level Triathletes"
CrossFit Games athlete: "Hold my beer.."
Crossfit athletes are injured 90% of the time
Hahahahahha. They win the ego competition for sure
I wonder how many CrossFit Games athletes would pass the drugs tests that pro triathletes have to take after races?
Crossfit is also riddles with PED's .... not saying Triathlon isn't but I don't believe to the same extent.
Just a look at the average high level crossfit female says it all: HGH jaws, virilization, HGH guts, ... it's ridiculous really that some people believe it's all done on protein shakes.