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Today's case is a heavy one, we're gonna be discussing the case of Stephen Pladl. Who is most well known for having an incestuous relationship with his daughter and the case just goes down hill from there.
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"two other daughters he just forgot about"
Considering what happened with the daughter he was obsessed with, I think that's a good thing.
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Steven’s mother was distancing herself from her reality by calling Katie, his wife. She’s apportioning the blame on Katie. I’m not sure why Katie phoned Steven though, they were clearly already ended.
Poor daughters & family will never really escape from this ordeal, but at least they are now safe.
Katie evil aswell
So I was adopted at birth and met my birth father two years ago. We have a ton in common, we have similar personalities and interests, and we have really gotten close. HOWEVER the idea of dating him makes me want to gag because, yeah, maybe he isn’t who I consider Dad, but he is still my father?? Like?? We share DNA and also he’s 20+ years old and literally my father. Grosses me out. I don’t understand these relationships at all
Thats how I feel about my brother. We are only 9 months apart but I met him and I love him and while we didn't grow up together he is family and I could never date him. He definitely is my best friend though I'm glad we connected.
That’s because you are normal honey 💞.
Look up Genetic Attraction Syndrome, and you'll understand it (or understand it better). I think the more pressing issue was that Katie knew Steven almost killed her as an infant, but she brushed it off. Just all-around weird behaviour.
OK never mind about the first part.. I just hit 24:41 and she mentions it.
Yeah exactly. I have a cousin that I only met for the first time when I was 18 and he was 20, so pretty similar in age. He's pretty attractive I'd say, and we have a lot in common and get along really well but just the fact that we're blood-related has prevented me from ever seeing him in any sort of romantic way even for 1 second and just thinking about it grosses me out. Like, just no. I just don't get incest, and it's already disgusting between cousins or siblings but between parents and their actual children it's even worse.
creepy thing is that daughters tend to look like their paternal grandma a lot of times. So it gets very....oedipal.
I absolutely hate when people try to excuse incest like ''but those are two consensual adults'' or ''let people date who they waaant''. No. Mother shouldn't date their sons, and fathers shouldn't date their daughters. There is hundred things that are wrong with incest and not one thing that's right.
Shut up. You have no argument.
The daughter can feel anyway she wants the dad is responsible for not crossing boundaries and not taking advantage of a daughters love
@@leahflower9924 the daughter shouldn’t love the father in that grotesque way. Neither the dad for the daughter. It goes both ways but undoubtedly she was groomed
@@finney3169 I'm just saying the responsibility of not getting involved with incest relies on the parents or guardians or elders not the long lost daughter yearning to be loved
Who would say this?!?!?!?!
Omg I’m 42 with an 18 year old daughter. No, no, no, no. This is so evil and gross. Let a man my age come at my daughter and you’re gonna see him be killed with fire.
@@martintremblay1476 a 42 year old man getting down with his 18 year old daughter is psycho. 🤨
You sound like my mom lmaooo!!!
yeah fr thats just sick
@Mike B you know what else is just a number? 911...
Amen I feel the same
What is WRONG with Steven’s mother and Katy’s adoptive parents going to the wedding???? Good grief. I just can’t.
They are all sick freaks. Incest runs in families who know they are sick but their depravity thrives within their darkness.
I feel like they might have thought they needed to be there so Katie knew she wasn't alone and could get out. Abusers try to isolate their victims so they feel like they have no where else to go.
Honestly incest seems much more like a taboo because of the legality considering how many people practice it. You’d think it’s be lest prevalent if we were biologically predisposed to be disgusted but it seems like maybe not.....
Because they are all lowlifes
@@DehydratedHumor That was clearly a stupid decision if it was true. Seem more like they just went along with it because they wanted to keep the girl happy.
I feel so bad for the bio-mom. Despite her situation, she really did what she could as a victim herself.
"He'll go to Hell, but he won't be the one being tortured. He'll be the one torturing people." that is sentence gave me chills...
I'm scared to know what he did to this poor kid to make her write this.
The fact that line was written by an 11 year old is so chilling and sad
This sounds like there's so much more we don't know about, those poor girls. If he could have only taken his life the others could have healed and lived happy lives. He was truly evil. I don't believe in hell but for him I hope it exists and he suffers for eternity.
@@erinw.9256 exactly 😔 Hopefully with good counselling and a mum who obviously loves them they can come through this. I doubt their mum will ever recover
That is just awful. I feel for all those girls. And yes I do mean “girls” bc they aren’t yet women. He’s sick 🤢😡
The system always fails women and children, it’s disgusting
Absolutely!!!
@@Catherine-wt3st true. It fails everyone
I was looking for this comment. Ya it fails women MUCH more then men!
Because men are more biologically inclined to be predatory and also are leaders/run the world.
@@Catherine-wt3st but we're talking about women now stfu
As cringe as it is, his mother probably referred to Katie as his wife to dispatch because it would be easier to explain to them the current situation of deaths then the actual situation at the moment.
His mother called his daughter his "wife."
There's some real denial there.
I think it could have confused the 911 operator if she referred to her as his daughter, and then the child as her son/his son. It's a complicated situation to explain when you're distressed.
@@ibts6519 my thoughts exactly.
It is complicated any which way. I don't think I could even acknowledge it. I would acknowledge them by pronouns only.
@@carpediem2445 "he killed him and her" "who?" "him" "who's been killed?" "he. he and she."
Imagine explaining this in an emergency call
just think what katie would've become if she would've just went to college and pursued her dreams :/
i believe she came in contact with her bio father before she went down there and he was the one to manipulate her to move in with him. just a thought.
the only silver lining is she prob saved her sisters a ton of abuse. Bc that happened it lead to the girls not having to see him anymore atleast
She was so beautiful and seemed to have a good head on her shoulders and she just seemed smarter than that I don't understand
@Jennifer Mallet being smart doesn't make you invulnerable to abusive and predatory behaviour
@@rmw2461 what an interesting take lol
With how Steven's mum referred to Katie as "his wife" - she hesitated. I have a feeling she just didn't want to have to explain the entire situation of that before getting to the actual point of "my son has murdered his baby, his baby mama, along with her father". Technically she was his wife; albeit an abomination... but that aspect was kind of less important in that very moment. People are also very prideful. She already had to tell them her son is a killer, so I'm sure there was a large level of embarrassment and shame with that alone.
I agree with you. She was being terse on purpose as it would have confused matters and delayed the police helping to have to explain all that.
I think he groomed his daughter who was likely desperate for love and acceptance. She was also in her teens when they first reconnected. He was abusive to her as a baby and later abusive to her mother. He is a truly despicable man.
Yes I agree he did some grooming and manipulation
The story said that she had a great life with her adoptive family. I think her bio father was def a pig, but she was also old enough to know better, atleast to some degree
i find it interesting that the bbc headline states that the "US woman ______ her biological father" rather than placing him as the primary actor and implying that this girl had some sort of power over her dad. it's a curious angle.
Don't know where youre from, but we have a derogatory name for them in the UK, which im not mentioning, cos i have a page n i kinda wanna stay active 😅 but basically British *manure* Corporation should give you enough of a hint 😉
Because when it comes to crime with sex involved in almost any way, people often love to make the woman (or GIRL, in this case) the aggressor or pursuer. It’s disgusting. I can’t remember the name of either person in the case, but a woman was attacked by some preppy POS and they absolutely DRAGGED her name through the mud just because in her personal life she was kinky. As if that had anything to do with her disgusting assault and murder 🙄
Women always get blamed, especially women who get pregnant outside of marriage or while underage. Because women are forced by nature to carry the baby, I believe that seeing an obviously pregnant woman tends to produce uncomfortable feelings in such bigoted people. Even the court system in this case was bigoted against the woman in this case, and she was literally a teenager who had been a victim of incest by her own father. There was still less sympathy for the victim in this case during her lifetime - as Danielle pointed out, the law actually held Katie in custody longer than Stephen. Its filthy disgusting that nobody - not even the courts - were willing to protect her from him. Its clear to me that Stephen really didn't view Katie as a separate person from him, but only alive for him to use how he saw fit, and when she wanted to leave him he ended her life. Even his child Bennett only existed to him because of Katie, it seems, and when he decided to do away with her Bennett wasn't allowed to live.
Misogyn is prevalent through out America just like racism. Its institutionalized and systemic.
Misogyny. That's it. It's not a curious angle, it's misogyny.
the way the 11 year old writes in her diary is so impressive idk why it stick out to me so much when she said the thing about her father going to hell and being the one torturing others rather than being tortured. I dont remember being that articulate when I was little or so in touch with my feelings at that age.
Kids are gonna need years of professional therapy
"it's not a sleepover, you're 42" 😂😂😂
AND HER BLOODY FATHER!!!!!!
I lost it when you said that she gave birth to her son and her brother. Wtf this is actually sick. Why... how... omg that's so horrible
I know, I didn’t expect there to be a baby involved 😔
I dont get it... She seemed to be raised well and had a loving FATHER... How'd she so easily get manipulated by her sperm donor??...
@@joshuaarmijo3565 I have no clue. Like her adoptive family seemed like fairly good parents. I don't know if I want to know what the sperm donor said to make her become that
This is disgusting
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It's extremely annoying to me when parents "stick their heads in the sand" like an ostrich. I guess it's denial but also seems very cowardice to me.
I mean her mom tried but there was just so much she could do like she was groomed what she was 15
What's really upsetting is that the warning signs were all there. The adults in the case failed to protect the children involved. From the very beginning, Alissa's parents should NOT have let their 15-year-old daughter be with a 20-year-old man. It was just an awful chain of events and these tragedies could have been prevented at so many stops along the way
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You just covered the USA system. “There were so many people that could’ve done something, but didn’t.”
Our system is broken and not functioning as it should. It’s blatantly obvious, and we are all still....doing nothing.
If I told yall all the cases where people (adults, law enforcers, cps, etc etc) could've done something but didn't. I'd have 10 volumes of it.
The first 10 volumes will likely be the index only!
Lots of sick and damaged folks in this world.
@@myaebanks1121 we need at least 6 of the volumes
All systems have their faults but yes, that’s the American system- completely broken, yet we still throw money at it.
So the theory about potential incestuous relationships is this:
Its been studied that children who get separated at birth from their sibling (and sometimes parent) will live their lives not knowing about the one they were separated from. Later in life they somehow reconnect and feel a very strong bond to one another, that they’re very similar and have a lot in common and tend to find more comfort in one another then other people. So they will sometimes end up forming a romantic relationship with each other, _not knowing_ that they are blood related, and they sometimes will choose to stay together, but USUALLY make a promise to not have any biological children. The theory relies _heavily_ on the fact that the siblings/parent-child are unaware that they are related in anyway prior to the relationship forming. Basically, it is a real theory that has been studied and it leaves a genuine grey area of morality (again, they usually promise to not have any children, so the relationship is kept purely just with them being romantic/sexual and not having children which is one of the biggest reasons incest is so illegal and morally wrong). This case, however, they _knew_ they were related, Katie sought them out because she wanted to reconnect with her _parents_ so this theory doesnt apply to them, and their relationship was disgusting and wrong and just, so, so gross
Or... There might be a mix: he liked her cause she looked like her mom when he dated her at 15, she had serious daddy issues. Both haven't seen each other before, so meeting as adults and being each others "types" the chemistry was overwhelming. It was clear that Steven was a "Satan" so incest? Yeah, whatever. But for the Katie to develop such strong feelings and ignore all else, even law, is insane. It feels like something rare but very strong must've played a biological role in this. It's creepy but fascinating at the same time.
No one:
Literally no one:
Danielle: It's not a sleepover you're 42
Great videos! I can watch ur stories and make-up all day!!
Nah everyone
Wait I just had a sleepover with my 42 year old friend 😩
@@ProfessorMM how old are you ?
A friend sleeping on your couch or in your spare room is not having a sleepover with you.
The journal of the little sister is so sad. Its so sad to see a child try to process a situation like that and try to make sense of it.
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Having been an incest victim of the 1950-1963 era this broadcast just brought me back to my experience. I was so in love with my father that I tried to defend him through every avenue. In the end he got therapy and I got destroyed, both within family and many years after the fact. Society could not rebuke him but could blame and destroy me as a Iolita, even my brothers condemned me. At less than 14yrs old my mother put me on a bus heading for LosAngeles Ca and wished me luck.
Excuse me what?!
Whaaat?😮
You were groomed. Its not love
I hope you're in a much better place in your life now 🥺😔
Your mother did well to put you on that bus. You defended him which meant you still wanted to continue relations with your own mother’s husband. Even a 14 year old knows not to mess around with their sister’s boyfriend.
the fact that alissa was scared of dying the way that her daughter actually died kinda makes me think its mother's intuition. let's not forget that's her daughter and first born, and what ended up happening to katie is also just so crazy in general. i feel like this was a mom fearing for her child.
Spoke it into existence
@@Catherine-wt3st exactly
What you write is possible. I think it's more likely that during their relationship, he had spoken to her about doing something like that to her or someone else or similarly indicated that he would bring violence to someone while they were unsuspecting and pinned/unable to escape.
I think he probably threatened it before and she mightve forgot it due to trauma! Maybe a long time ago when they were young but that fear just kept going
Its not mothers intuition, steve wasn't her child. As a wife, She lived and knew him in a way no one could. She knew his thought process
bro...the adoptive parents and Stephen's mom attending their wedding is just extremely sick!! They could've prevented it 100%. I hope the two younger daughters get some help to get through this horrible story.
Tallandskiiny ! They should've called the cops again and if that didn't work, they should've each bought a gun and shot the "dad" before the ceremony.
Enablers, they all enabled this.
Exactly. I don't get that the parents supported this. It's truly sick
They should have only gone to object during the wedding. Thats the only reason that makes sense...dissapointing...
THEY HAD A WEDDING LIKE THIS WAS NORMAL AND HER ADOPTIVE PARENTS CAME LIKE THIS IS NORMAL 🤯
"He killed his wife and her father.."
No ma'am, he killed his DAUGHTER and her father!
I'm sorry, but Steven's parents and Katie's adoptive parents are a huge part of this problem. 18 years old or not be damned, my parents would have broken my legs if I told them I was essentially running away from home at 18, ditching my plans for a future and pursuing a relationship with my BIOLOGICAL FATHER. Steven's parents should probably have involved outside sources for him when he married a teenager and had one child with her that he was abusing (Katie.)
He was never turned in for abusing Katie as a baby he got away with abuse day one...... The parents are not responsible for him, The person that lived with him and saw the abuse should of turned him in .... This whole thing could of been prevented , i get she was young but she was that babies mother, she was an infant, your placing the blame on parents of ADULTS.....
@@notyourgmaHis wife/Katie's bio mum did turn him in but they couldn't prove anything until they were married and had that baby. X
@@notyourgma Are you forgetting that Alyssa was ALSO a child? When Denise/Katie was born, Alyssa was only 17 herself, and had been under the thumb of an abusive man 5 years her senior for over 2 years. Steven was essentially her guardian at that point (since he was the husband to this underage girl), and I'm sure she was petrified. The best she could do seemed to be to convince Steven to give Denise/Katie up for adoption & I dunno...I mean, in one way, she got to have a decent childhood at least, but if she'd stayed with them, she probably wouldn't have thought she'd fallen in love with her own dad when they met as adults. Then again, if she'd stayed with Alyssa & Steven, she might not have even made it to adulthood.
Everyone sucks here, honestly.
I am not in any way victim shaming, However , she had no problem turning him in for sleeping with Katie but never turned him in for abusing Katie as a baby, that sounds fishy to me.... anyone abuses my kids at any age, and Id take care of them one way or another, when my daughter was 16, her boyfriend was followed by some punks I drove down there and stood up to these little gang banger wannabes and he was only my girls boyfriend, if it was my daughter OH LORD...
He actually killed his daughter, and himself, her father. How confusing is that!!!
Katie's biological mother was so brave to give her baby up for adoption when she saw their situation. Couldn't have been easy.... she truly loved her daughter
But then had two more daughters with him?
@@MaribellaPortraits well. It's easy to judge when we're not walking in their shoes. Everyone's life is really a mystery and not something we can quite understand
You’re aware the daughter she gave up for adoption is Katie right
Anyone saying anything about the bio mom having more children with him after giving her up for adoption CLEARY has never heard of GROOMING.
Katy s mom should had left that ugly man and move far away with Katy to raise katy ,she didn’t had to give up Katy for adoption,she made more mistakes to had 2 more kids with the monster,
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How do you stand around smiling in an incestous wedding photo? 🤢🤢🤢 There is a time to be supportive and there is a time to hold people accountable, for their own good.
“A time to be supportive and a time to hold people accountable”… so true and this is a major problem in society right now
And a time to jist take a gun and do what you need to do. This could happen to my daughter. Over my death body
Absolutely agree!!!!! There is not one thing to smile about.
The judge should be held accountable in this case. He should have had a psychological evaluation of both of them.
Most definitely the first wife needs to sue the pants off that state
Exactly
Absolutely, totally let down by the law.
“Freud would have a field day” 🤣 Aah I love the way you tell the cases Danielle!
“Does anyone object to this Union? Speak now or forever hold your peace”
🙋🏼♀️🙋🏼♀️🙋🏼♀️🙋🏼♀️ yes, uh, we all do.
I would've been the one raising my hand & sitting me!
I'd be shouting hell yes I object (not that I would even consider going to the wedding. I'd crash it!)
everone: This is so sick......the South: What ?
@@johnhammond9962 as a southerner we do not claim them
Steven's mom said his wife. Lady that's your biological grand daughter. You're nana..and you didn't care...
I’m half convinced she thinks Katie’s not his daughter how else did she not beat the shit out of him when she found out what he was doing to her granddaughter ugh . I once told my brother if he ever did anything like that I would chop his thing off. Side note I didn’t think he would but our father and older brother both went to jail for Assaulting our niece. And we were young in elementary when it came out I didn’t want him to look up to them or get ideas . Just how did it not bother his mother ugh
Wth is wrong with all of these people??? In bred all the way up the family tree???
She is part of the reason that he acts like he did. He had no morals. She raised that BEAST. And she obviously encouraged him.
A 911 call is not really the time to get into all that.
@@tomk1974 to what? Say her son shot her granddaughter?
"He clearly doesn't remember his two daughters"
THANKS GOD HE DOESN'T
SO MUCH THIS!!
“Freud would have a field day with this” 😂💀
FACTS! 🤣🤣🤣
Yeah, I graduated w/double major, one was a BS is Psychology, way back in the dark ages where computers didn't exist. So, this is just my opinion but more and more psychologists are reaching the same conclusion, to put it in laymen terms, "FREUD WAS BAD SHIT CRAZY".That doesn't mean that he didn't make huge strides in the field of psychology, but he's not the great shrink some people make him out to be.
For example, based on what we know about Freud, he probably wouldn't have had that big a problem with the incest. BUT, he would have, in fact, blamed it ALL on Alyssa for putting her and Steven's daughter up for adoption, depriving him of all the fatherly events he missed with his first child. Freud probably would have said that their sexual attraction to one another was a "symptom" due to a result of a delayed "Oedipus Complex" and again would have blamed Alyssa. Freud had serious "Mummy issues" and it's been rumored that he and his daughter, Anna, had a similar relationship as these two. He would have completely ignored the abuse and even the murders. They can say this guy suffered from several mental health issues such as depression and separation anxiety. So what? We all get through the same thing without taking a life or hurting his daughter/wife when she was an infant and killing his own son/grandson. He's a murderer and should be treated accordingly.
@@robinaddis-vaughn7271 Great points👏🤯
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This is one of the saddest things ever - Alyssa gives her daughter up hoping she would have a better life away from her abusive father...but eventually, he still ended up abusing her, destroying her life, and ultimately taking her life from her. It didn't matter that her mother tried to give her a better start to her life, or that she was raised by loving adoptive parents, this monster of a man's reach was too strong. No matter how much protection people tried to give her, it wasn't enough.
Disgusting, vile man. So much destruction caused by one man.
like a greek tragedy
But then she had two more girls right?!
Well if this were the 70s or before, it _would_ have been stopped. He would have disappeared one day never to be seen again. Fact.
@@FrankiesFancy 😂🔥
Never heard of this case and it was blowing my mind already. And then you said they moved to Knightdale, NC. I about fell out of my chair. That's my hometown and I currently live about 30 min away. Truly appalled at the way the legal system handled it, but sadly I'm not surprised.
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The 2 sisters are probably confused as hell. And traumatized. They won't know how to tell the story. " my sister step mom was shot by my dad who also killed my brother nephew"
He would been a dad/stepbrother just straight up weirdness
This thought is just messed up these poor kids.
Some of his background is: He was bullied and teased in school because he wore the same clothes every day..a hockey jersey..He was also a very unusual person..he was a loner, didn’t have a lot of friends, very quiet...I’ve been studying this case for a long time..due to living in the area..his parents seem quite normal..nothing much ever said about them..but they supported him in marrying his DAUGHTER!
Thank you for the info!
Also, I can’t imagine his parents are sane or normal people to not only raise a man like this let alone support him impregnating and marrying his own daughter! It starts at home... they’re all seriously demented and sick in the head
At least we know they didn't support it.
@@soccersinger101 no they did support him marrying his own daughter.
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I don't really care about his childhood. He obviously had it better than she did. I was extremely poor and a loner as a child. Never once did anything like this ever crossed my mind. Nor did abuse even though I was sexually, mentally and physically abused. I am now a 42 year old mother of 2 children. Oldest being 22 and an 17 year old. Eldest being out of the home now and the youngest on her way to college. I do not surround myself with negativity or loudness. I can't handle yelling nor screaming. It is a complete 180 from how I grew up.
He was grown. He knew what he was doing. He groomed and preyed upon her. Absolutely disgusting. And they better keep the other children away from him. His mother also. If she is weak enough to give in to him than she is a threat also. She is an enabler.
As a mother this DISGUSTS me. My daughter is the age of the girl who’s writing the diary entries. Even the idea of my child being under that kind of stress angers me to no end, and makes me want to cry in equal measure. That poor kid doesn’t deserve that. And that man has forever messed his children up. Because part of their young brains were told “you can have an intimate relationship with your parent”
Stories about cases don’t often make me furious. But this case has.
So when they got married, all of the guests were on the same side of the aisle? 🤢
Bahaha
Lmao
I peed my pants 😂😭
That's funny/not funny.... ok it's funny cuz its true
😂😂😂😂
The little girl's writing broke my heart 💔
Poor baby. And poor Katie looking for the love of her father and got a completely wrong form of love. Sad to know that if she hadn't ever decided to meet her biological parents she'd still be alive. 💔😭
it does say a lot that even the 11 year old daughter knew he was wrong for that
AFter my parents spilt up i stayed with my step dad ( he raised me since I was a baby ) my mom is very toxic , I remember him getting so upset with his friend for calling him Steven ( as a joke cause I stayed with my dad and not mom) my dad was so upset he left the party & now I finally know the story behind the name . So sick .
no can you imagine being a lawyer and having to defend someone for being sexually attracked TO THEIR OWN KID when you know it's wrong but you still have to do it because that's your job and he's a paying client....no words
I’d put 0 effort into the trial if my firm assigned it to me. “Your honor you should definitely not arrest this horrendous man that groomed his wife and daughter and is now illegally married to his biological daughter. He’s innocent!”
@@jay_deavyon fun fact you can actually loose everything from half fasting it. That's why people honestly don't, not only can whatever firm your with fire you but the firm can sue you, so can the person who you defended, and if it's really clear you threw the case you won't be practicing law again
@@samshaffer2250 oh I fully believe it, case in point why I couldn’t be a defense lawyer especially one that’s state appointed. I know innocent people are saved by defense lawyers but I don’t have it in me to stick up for someone that has blatantly been the villain. More power to them though
I work for the public defenders office and we’ve had to go to trial several times for this it’s so sick. we usually don’t win lol and we pretty much go just for technical points rather than emotional points
You can choose which cases you take. 😉
Opinion well informed: People who commit primary incest (sexual relations between natural siblings or parents and their natural children) should be imprisoned for 20 years without possibility of parole and their identities published.
Yes especially parents with the children. I mean that is DISGUSTING and horrifying
@@levithebaddest2369 thats going to end up punishing kids who got groomed though?
And mandated registering!!
I'd argue therapy in most cases. Especially because there's crazy power dynamics and usually a victim and abuser.
I don't understand your reasoning at all 🥴
It is extremely messed up that Alyssa only left Stephen after he started to have a relationship with Katie and not when he repeatedly abused their baby a decade before! Everyone involved is to blame for this tragedy.
She had the strength to get the baby to safety. This dude was clearly a master at manipulation.
She was only 17 at the time and was scared of Stephen who was already an adult. She probably also didn’t have anywhere to go (maybe her family wouldn’t take her back if she had asked or something like that). She might not have left him but at least she did the next best thing and put her baby up for adoption. Had Katie not gone looking for her bio parents she’d most likely be here. But then maybe if that happened and in that timeline Alyssa ended up leaving Stephen he would’ve killed Alyssa and their two daughters instead. I believe no matter what we would be hearing about Stephen one way or another.
I remember reading about the incest case but never knew it led to this. Just... damn. I think I'm done with true crime for today, need to bleach my brain with cat videos.
Or cake decorating videos. Something fluffy.😳
Cat videos, yes that's definitely how I need to get through this! It was a mistake watching this before bed 😬🤢
I normally don't like laughing when watching these videos but there's something about your comment😭
But cats are predators too lol 😅
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You're trying not to judge his mom, but let's not forget that she raised HIM, and she obviously didn't bother to instill any morals or integrity into her son... and then she went and smiled while her son married her granddaughter! I'd say it's more probable than not that she was a TERRIBLE mother
What if she too had relations with her son? ....
@@ItsNikii85 oh…OH NO 🤢
People can also be good mothers and have terrible children. It’s more of the way men are socialized in society in general that make a lot of these people enabled to do shitty things
@@baphometbby yes but she should have get involved with the authorities. Even if she raised him properly, the first time around when he came home with a kid she should have intervened.
@@ItsNikii85 that's a revolting thought! Having said that she could have had relations with some family member, it would explain why he thought it was OK. On the other hand she could have done her best and done everything right, sometimes people are just a wrong un
I watch a lot of true crime and makeup videos. 2 things are common in all :
1. Awesome makeup.
2. No f***ing action being taken by Police and even the courts proved useless.
i was in a (non consensual) relationship like this with my stepfather when i was 10-17. i was so fucking scared he would do this to me and i’ve been told a lot that my fears were unfounded. men who have any kind of relationship outside of the normal platonic relationship with their children are terrifying and can do anything.
I hope you are healing and I wish you lots of love and peace. You are a survivor and you’re brave
i know this comment is old but i just want to say i am so sorry you had to go through something like that and i hope you are safe and healthy and doing well!
@@OmfgReallyNicki thank you 🥰 i am slowly but surely recovering!
@@ozydapunk that makes me so happy! I don't know you but i am proud of you and I hope you are proud of you too!
I'm so sorry this happened to you. I pray for you to heal from this trama. Your very brave to share your story. God bless you and I pray you have a happy life.
This is a sad case but I’m just glad Alyssa and her daughters survived.
Katie is Alyssa’s daughter... so no. He killed one of her daughters
@@baphometbby exactly he groomed and abused her, traumatized her little children and killed her oldest one and her adoptive father who only got involved because he signed the papers back then. Can’t even imagine how it must feel like to deal with this. Also the lost of her “husband” know he’s a monster, but she was basically conditioned to love this man for more than 20 years, so it impacted her prolly too that he was dead.
Well, her younger daughters
Alyssa sadly knew him better than anyone. She was literally able to predict exactly how he would commit a murder should he commit one...and I would guarantee that its because he told her. I bet he told her exactly how he would kill her if she left him. And he goes on to kill Katie, who left him, the same way. Her adoptive father was in the wrong place at the wrong time and had to die as well.
@@HopeeInk I doubt she will ever recover but hopefully her two youngest daughters will.
I must say, that makeup looks amazing. The eyeshadow's colours are absolutely lovely and compliment beautifully your eye colour 😍
All the adults in this case seem incredibly brain dead. Everyone seemed to enable Steven and did nothing to even try and stop any of this.
Everyone except the mother of Katie she tried and the police didn’t do shit
@Thou Swell it's like the north of France? High level of consanginity🤣🤣🤣 And also why those incestuous people are always racist AF
Especially the ones who ATTENDED their farce of a wedding
Including the authorities ** Aweful; literally NO ONE intervened who could have helped make a difference * Though her biological mom did her utmost to protect her... but she was limited with her capabilities due to law enforcement.... Some communities are fortunate with great protective forces... and others couldn't give a damn...
And what about her adoptive parents. Talk about dropping the ball. There are pictures of them at that wedding SMILING. GROSS!
I was in a very abusive relationship when I was in my early 20s, in that case his mother was a huuuuuge enabler. He especially got violent when he drank, and she knew this and would buy him cases of beer in secret. She got him out of every situation he got into (DUIs, crashing cars, punching holes in walls, even once trying to kill himself because he got caught drinking by his father-who was extremely opposed to alcohol so he would have kicked him out) and never lectured him or made him face any consequences. I remember running to her for help one night when my ex came home at 5am drunk out of his mind, after having stayed up all night waiting for him (he wasn’t answering texts or phone calls) he got in bed and I nudged him and said “where have you been” and he sat up and choked me and told me to shut up. He had a look in his eyes that scared me to my core, so I got up and ran to his mothers room and through tears explained it to her, she looked me dead in the eyes and said “no my son isn’t like that, you must have done something to get him upset”
Oh my god this is horrible
mothers (and parents in general) like this make me so unbelievably angry. like, what the HELL has to be wrong with someone for them to find out their child is abusing someone just… let it happen? i’ll never understand.
My ex was raised by his grandmother and one night she watched him choke me out and slam me into a wall and to this day says that I was the crazy one cuz I tried to defend myself (which didnt work btw he was 6' >200 lbs I was 5'2 105lbs)She told me that's what men do and women are supposed to take it. They aren't supposed to fight back. I always thought if he killed me she would help him get away with it.
@@sarahanna5222 wow I am happy you got out of of that relationship, this sounds awful
@@Kif_Lee Thank you. I think it was a close call. The police were no help because his grandfather is highly respected in my town....
Am I the only one extremely shocked that Katy’s son was born without any genetic defects?!!!!
I'm trying to explain this and it just doesn't seem right... X'D
It typically takes a few generations of inbreeding for birth defects to show up. That's why the Habsburgs were able to rule most of Europe for about 500 years until they produced the genetic disaster that was Charles II of Spain. Earlier generations had health problems and birth defects too, but they weren't completely debilitating until him.
@@erraticonteuse Exactly. People act as if they would have flipper children or something. It doesn't work that way. In any case, inbreeding is always immoral and doesn't work well biologically.
That child who wrote the diary is a very good judge of character.
I am really surprised that Alyssa called him immediately, instead of being more strategic about it. I am sure her emotions were all over the place though. 😭 I feel for Alyssa and her daughters ❤
sis witnessed her baby daddy ABUSE HER CHILD and 10 years later is still together with him and thinks they’re mature enough to have more???? what?!
It’s very sad but she was groomed and brainwashed by this man, it can really make anyone look past every raging red flag that is right in front of their face
yes but she was literally a child when they met and had been groomed by him, and also a child when she gave birth to their child.. im just glad she recognized she had to get her baby out of that situation and be strong for her when she couldnt be strong for herself.
Domestic abuse and grooming fucks people's minds up so much that I think Alyssa is the best part of this story and so strong. She knew it wasnt good to have a child around the first time so she put her up for adoption. After 10 more years of manipulation she has 2 more girls and doesn't seem like during that time the girls werent abused then she reported him to the police even though she knew he might kill her
Yeah I thought this. But she was clearly abused and groomed and that can make people stay with them and get false ideals in their heads.
She was a victim here. It’s highly probable that she was also being physically abused. We can’t understand her state of mind, but victim blaming is gross.
I met my bio dad at 15 and never once felt anything for him other than normal father/daughter feelings. Eeew.
This whole situation could have been avoided if steven had been arrested when alyssa reported him for incest.
Idk but I think the daughter inherited some kind of psychopathy from her father. Seems like she turned out a lot like him.
this is so crazy because if she had chosen to go to college and pursue art none of this would have happened...
@Rytis Cyber
Are you insane? That was his BIOLOGICAL and freshly 18 year old daughter.
@Rytis Cyber You dont know what trauma can do to people
@Rytis Cyber she wanted to meet her real parents and get to know them, do you really think her initial intention was to start a relationship with him?? Yes she was a legal adult but please do not diminish the extreme power dynamic between a father who was a proven abuser and groomer of his first wife and his teenage daughter who was vulnerable, naive, and not as mentally developed or experienced as him at age 18. Treating them as equal in blame in this is in no way fair, Katie obviously made mistakes that ultimately led to a very tragic fate, but Steven is a disgusting monster who took advantage of all the women in his life. Katie was a victim of his abuse more than anything else
This is such a weird, disgusting story. I’ve heard it before and it’s gets worse every time as I find out more details. Those diary entries were so sad.
What i wanna know is why incest isnt illegal EVERYWHERE regardless of age..Who the hell in Rhode Island and New Jersey are approving these laws? I am FLOORED right now!
The grandmother really annoyed me too when she called her his wife. I thought "you dumb b, that's your granddaughter"
yes, and she was also blaming his 'wife' for leaving him, like he was the victim here.
yeah but at least she turned her son in straight away. she's hella odd but props for that
She called her own grandson 'it' too.
32:07 when asked by the operator where the baby is, granny responds 'He said it was in...'
Yep
Welllll she raised him so the apple doesn’t fall far from the tree
This story is absolutely horrendous and heartbreaking. At least poor Katie never knew her son had been murdered.
Wow I didn’t even think about that
Regarding why her adoptive parents stayed/attended the wedding, it may have been fear of losing her. My parents didn't approve of who I married but were scared to speak up due to the same fear you mentioned, that I would choose him anyway and also cut them off. By keeping that relationship open with me, they were there when I did leave him and went back home. So I see that.
No, no, no. What you went through is something completely different. This was INCEST with a child and adult. A very different, very disturbing situation. Nothing like yours at all. These people were enablers and twisted in their own way.
Even if katie was an "adult" she was still 18 the age gap is HUGE between her and her father. He was already a groomer and an abuser to her mother so he must've manipulated her. I don't really blame katie but still can't help but wonder how she didn't question it
i never understand people referring to 18 year olds as adults. like yeah they are technically legal adults, but psychologically they absolutely arent and wont be for a while. this is on the parents in this story
He was a shut in didn't have friends so who does that leave to lead to this behavior MOM unless she was just a passive, blind easily manipulated person whatever she was maybe the apple don't fall to far from the tree
@@tonijones8113 exactly what I thought. Look at the way Stevens mom is smiling in the"wedding" photo. Katie's adopted parents look creeped out but his mom looks super happy. Something is wrong with that picture .. literally
@@miminaomi9844 ,,,,
Hi
Freud was kinda pervy tbh. I remember reading about him in my psych classes and all of his theories were sexual. He thought everything humans did was related to sex, some of it sounding pretty freakin creepy.
Freud also took a lot of cocaine throughout his career and heard a lot stories about young, upper class girls of Austrian society being abused by their rich and powerful fathers. However, he didn’t believe these girls were being abused rather he believed these girls were having sexual fantasies. Those admissions of abuse are the basis of penis envy and the Electra complex.
Thanks for mentioning that. I enjoy diving into my dreams and keep a dream journal. A lot of Freud interpretation for dreams where very uhmm.... sexual vs Carl young
Considering nobody would be here without sex, I'd say yes many things we do correlate with procreation and sex.
Let's not forget what he did to princess Alice
Asexuals 👁👄👁
“The best place the son Benneth could have been is with his mother” …. Have you lost your damn mind. The best place that child could have been would have been in a closed adoption where none of the parents could reach him, know anything about him or have any form of contact. That goes for BOTH the babys mother and father. It is not like the mother made good choices.
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I can't imagine ever hurting a child. I hate people who do.
Why did the mom give her up for adoption just to have two more kids with him. If he’s abusive to the point where you give up your own kid to keep her safe why have more kids with him.
She was also a victim herself. He got her pregnant when she was a minor. She also explained in the video why the mom felt they could have more kids
The mom said they “grew up” and thought they could better handle having kids. Abusing children is not something you grow out of! If he beat your children in his 20s, he’s gonna beat your children in his 30s. The mom was clearly naive and also appeared to be a victim of this man herself.
@@daisysmith9148 coming from someone that grew up with a mother that allowed abusive men to come in and out of our lives it isn’t an excuse. When you have a child you have to do everything in your power to give them a better life. If you knew he was abusive but you don’t want to leave then simply don’t bring my children into this world it’s selfish. There are resources to help prevent this from continuing to happen. Children are not toys to have so you won’t be alone, you shouldn’t have them if you can’t provide a safe and stable environment for them.
@@anonymousfist2985 by the time she had the other two she was an adult and her daughter was adopted out. She had a choice not to bring more children into this world when she knew what he was capable of. Once you become a mother your children come first, stop making excuses for poor parenting choices.
@@alainalee890 I completely agree with you. I’m a mother of 2 myself and have gotten myself and my kids out of an abusive marriage and I would do it time and time again FOR MY KIDS. I feel like the mom must not have been completely mentally competent to think it was a good idea to still have children with this man after she saw first hand how he treated their first child.
For anyone wondering why he was released on bail before Katie, in the US bail is financial-- you PAY to be released on bail, and as a result the timing of being released on bail is dependent on how fast you can pay (in addition additional what the bail is set at). An 18yo girl is not going to have as much cash on hand as a 42 year old man.
god I'm so frustrated with everyone in this story
it especcially annoys me that the authorities don't face consequences for their ignorance
and that Steven killed himself, I'd rather he ended up in jail to be beaten by his cellmates
“Why are you sleeping on the floor??? This isn’t a sleepover. You’re 42!” 😂😂😂
As a Virginian, this really freaked me the hell out!
I just realized that you’re the British version of Bailey…
no, theyre their own people...
@@sezn it was quite a compliment so calm it down
Look I want to say something. Bailey Sarian did not INVENT putting on makeup and talking about true crime. Stephanie Harlowe was literally doing makeup and true crime mondays over 5 years ago or more. I like Bailey but her recent big success has started to bother me bc people seem to think she's so unique and innovative. She isn't. She is a talented and licensed makeup artist but that's it.
Danielle is much better than Bailey. Bailey gets facts wrong, names wrong, and leaves out so much important info. I gave up on her.
Steve mom is also very sick even to allowed him to married his own daughter, what kind of grandma she is, this is sickening
Am I wrong for wanting to blame EVERYONE?! Steven, Steven’s Parents, Alyssa, Alyssa’s Parents, Katie and Katie’s Parents... They all failed their kids as Parents. This is heartbreaking!!!
I agree 💯%
I agree with everything except for the blaming Katie part......i blame the courts because they failed her son when they put him in the care of Stevens mother
I also don't blame Alyssa because she tried her best to help, she gave Katie up so that Katie could have a better life, she told Steven how wrong it was when Steven started a ting weird, she also called the police on him so the system also failed them
I don’t blame neither Alyssa nor Katie’s adoptive parents.
@@andrea_pao the ap did EXACTLY the right thing, they were there for her before and after the fall, which they new was coming, if they shunned her, they knew she would be alone
Steven’s mom should of been charged for letting the baby go with him because the court put the baby in her custody and Steven was banned form contacting the baby and she still allowed him around the baby and even went as far to letting him take the baby
He wasnt banned from the baby. He was banned from Katie and Alyssa.
Ok but the adoptive parents... are you serious? Nothing you could do???? Could have easily called the police on your way to the wedding. Multiple times they could have done something 😅
Probably didn't want their daughter arrested & put on a sex offender list🤷🏽♀️ was her kid already born?! B/c incest is a sex crime. They BOTH would have gotten arrested, put on the list, & probly lost their kid. Not all sex offenders lose the right to see their own children, but I guarantee u do, when the charge is incest!!
@@evilangel2918 Well look where we ended up anyways? There was no excuse to be a bystander here
@@evilangel2918 the cops didn’t do anything the first time. They had every opportunity to stop everything the very first time Katie’s biological mom reported the relationship but they didn’t.
Everyone’s at fault in this situation the only one who tried was the biological mother. Even then. She only attempted once, she never fought to put an end to it so 🤷♀️
@@yagirlcheetos yes but she was scared for her life and rightfully so.. She already reported it and the cops did nothing.. I think if she went on fighting against it she would've ended up dead as well and she had 2 young daughters to take care of.. I think she stopped doing anything because since the police did nothing, it would get her killed.. It was too much of a risk..
@@Elketjeable there’s protection for people who fear that their life is in danger. There really isn’t many excuses for the mother’s behaviors.
Everyone is at fault. Adoptive parents should have first persuaded Katie not to move in with complete strangers even if they are her biological parents . Bio mom stayed with and more kids with a men that abuse a child and the darker thinks she refers to most likely was SA. I hope the two little girls are getting help they have been through a lot
Why are we acting like the Bio Mom is not a victim of him, she got groomed since she was 15 and doesn’t see the flags as prominent as we do.
@@HopeeInk exactly
@@HopeeInk Very true
Obviously the Adoptive parents should've done something to stop Katie but if they wouldn't let her go she would've left anyways
Victim shaming ruins everything you had to say. Lucky you that you've never been a victim like Alyssa but seriously she's been through more than most and doesn't deserve any shaming.
I feel even worse for the biological mother of Katy because she tried so hard to keep her oldest daughter safe from him. She gave her up to do this and then told the police when she found out about them having sex. Poor baby too. He was innocent in every single way. This is just one of the worst causes.
The mom referring to Katie as Steven's "wife" is messed up for someone who knows the details of the case, but I also can't really blame her if she's making an emergency 911 call that is time sensitive. Like saying "his daughter broke up with him" and "he killed his daughter and her father" are nonsensical sentences on their own which require a whole insane backstory to give the dispatcher the context which would distract from the immediate emergency of him having just admitted to triple homicide and being free roaming.
The baby went to his parents. Hmm. What about the possibility of him feeling incest is okay because his parents raised him that way? Absolutely don’t know this is the case, but I definitely think it should have been investigated before assigning custody.
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This is my second time watching this video, and I kinda wanna add my two cents. I don't agree that Katie shouldn't be charged as heavily as Stephen. I honestly believe they should be tried the same. Both parties are legal adults, both knew what they were doing was wrong. Quite honestly, I knew insest was wrong from the time I was about 10. Yes, Stephen was a manipulator, but Katie was told the hard facts that he used to abuse her and she still chose to go back to him, so she is also 50% to blame here. I don't want to victim shame, that is never my intention, but when you are made aware of reality and still choose to go back to your deluded one, you become complicit. This is just my biased opinion.
I completely agree. I have been in an abusive relationship, and thought I feel like a "victim" sometimes, I must say that there have been some times where I could have just break up with this man but I chose to stay anyway. Probably because I knew any better, it's true, but still it was my choice. She knew everything, she knew that was my father, that he was abusive towards her when she was still a baby, so...
i think the power imbalance of a 43 year old and 18 year old is a crucial detail, regardless of the “facts” katie was presented with, this adult man was manipulating her and lying to her the entire time
Ikr she is disgusting just as him
@@abigailhartley7296 What lying? She knew that he is her father and still choose to be in a relationship with him, so she is to blame as well
I would give stevens mom a pass on calling her his wife instead of daughter on the 911 call. I think she did that in order to get the important information out as quickly as possible. I’m sure she knew she could clarify that part later on. I could be wrong but I just have a feeling that’s why.
Yeah true and he did basically marry her even though it's sick it is technically his wife
Yes I thought the same way and u can hear how she was hesitant at first but then chose to say wife
Would make the call very awkward, calling to say that her son killed his daughter because she broke up with him, and he also killed his grandson who was also his son...
It could also be that she didnt have that familial connection with her as her grandmother.
Agree
Those parents are way too compliant... DO BETTER. DO. F. BETTER! Should have interviened & sent her ass to college or gotten a no contact order against steven when adopted because of the abuse. Ugh. Huge parental let down on all levels.
The biological mother should have not let her move in to protect her. Smh. The 3rd time hearing this.
You're assuming Alyssa infoed the adoption agency of the abuse, which is doubtful. Then you're assuming the adoption agency told her parents. THEN you're assuming it was an open adoption & they had access to his information, in order to get a restraining order. Then you're forgetting that a restraining order is only good for a year (in most, if not all states) & that if he had never tried to contact her, the judge would likely not have renewed every year for 18 years. & then of course, she certainly could have chosen to have it lifted herself when she turned 18.
You are making emotional judgments based on your lack of knowledge on the subject & of the facts
how? how could they have stopped her? she was 18. at a certain point, a parent can't actually control their adult child, especially if they are moving out.
He probably turned out like that because the parents dont give him repurcussion if he did anything bad
Edit: i just realized this isnt about stephens parents
As odd as this sounds… your voice is so calming even while hearing the worst stories! You keep me interested and i love your videos! Thank you ❤️❤️
Ok, hear me out…what about a collaboration with Bailey Sarian where you do each others makeup and talk about murder cases?!?
Please no
YES!!!! THIS
YESSSS OMG YES!!!!!!!
I love Bailey so much
I need that I love Bailey and am also really loving this channel to so this would be amazing they should disguise the José Fritzl Case because that was a case that the hole world knows about or the Amanda Knox story
"fell pregnant, falling pregnant etc" comes from 'befell' which means 'happen to', it has nothing to do with 'fall, falling'. (19:43)
It does. They have the same root word. Befell means has fallen.
its a common way to say it in the uk. yea it sounds weird to us, but theres no use nitpicking something so small.
I found a article where it said the man knew Steven pladel in high school and he said he was always off. He didn't have many friends, was a quiet kid and you can tell something wasnt normal about him.
I think, Katy had such overwhelming feelings from seeing her actual parents for the first time. She didn’t know how to feel or what to feel but she some how confused it all and fell in love with her actual father. Young, vulnerable, and mistaken feelings
Or manipulated by him
Danielle: “Incest is illegal in the States apart from Rhode Island…”
Me being born and currently living in Rhode Island;
💧👀👄👀💧
"...and New Jersey,:
Me, born and raised and currently living in New Jersey: 💧👀👄👀💧
Yeah whats that about?? There go all my jokes about the South.
I'm kidding fr don't come for me.
Wait, what?!
I watched a docu about a girl that was groomed and the mom said she had to act supportive of her daughter living with the man so when the daughter was ready she could call her up and have a place to go. If your to against it, it will push her away and that might be the end . As the mom had tried this before and it didn’t work
I was thinking that maybe he was lying to her and telling her he wasn’t actually her biological father but then there was no way she didn’t know that wasn’t the case. So hard to wrap my head around
this is it
Fr they even look alike in photos 😟
God they were identical.. no way she didn’t know that was her father
Actually, the police did go after them..when they went to get an arrest warrant...Steven and Katie ran to NC....they were on a wanted list here for a while...they were both skipped out on 1 million dollar bond...
THANK YOU!!
It is so nice to see someone put such a well done disclaimer before going into such a video.
Some topics can SERIOUSLY mess up a victim of abuse. It is comforting to know that you care enough about your audience to warn them about the content.
Thank you!
“that creeped me out, disgusted me, and annoyed me” literally made me laugh so hard
Off of a balcony
When I first found your videos I immediately thought "She's doing a Bailey Sarian!" But then I started watching more and more I was delighted to hear your version of true crime and makeup. If you were to cover stories primarily from the UK then no one can anything bad! Even if they do, tell em to shove it.
You've got a new follower, andI love what you're doing, keep it up! ❤️
"I mean Freud would have a field day with this" I lost it. haha. I have heard about this case before and just as shook about now as I was the first time I heard about it
Is it possible she could have gotten brain damage from being put in the freezer? I’m genuinely curious