this is a video of me changing an apartment fuse box and installing a 100amp 6 circuit panel to feed a subpanel in the apartment as part of a 3000sqft apartment rewire.
Nice work. Thank you for sharing. One question: since this is your first means of disconnect, the grounding conductor and the neutral are bonded, correct? I think I missed that part of the video.
This 1950's house main was fused: replacing the kitchen subpanel which was an old Square D with 2 Hot, Neutral and cable as ground. How do i apply that to new Square D? RR
You would be better off upgrading the fused main with a main breaker panel and then it would be an appropriately sized 2 pole breaker , neutral and ground bar.
The apartment i lived in had same murry fuse box what time period is it from 50s 60s 70s my parents house was wired 1970 has a waddsworth 4 pull outs and 8 screw fuses the had s type fusestats put in wjen box was installed Do you know when fuse stats came out
There is no reason or excuse as to this needing to be done hot! Your life is worth more than the time to get it turned off! Pre planning would have resolved it. Always be safe, the life you save may just be your own!
Nice video! I have a duplex that needs to be upgraded meters and all! I would like to ask you some questions! is there any way I can contact you to ask you my questions one on one?
Hey Arne, you made that upgrade look so easy you're a pro. I live in Virginia in a 1910 house, my electricity is ancient, I want to hire an electrician to do the exact upgrade. Can you give me a ballpark figure as to what it would cost. Thank you
@@arnehelland6015 up in NH i was going to say $2500 -$3000 $500 to do the labor for the entrance cable from meter and grounds to a customer supplied panel and breakers. lrnd a trick to open and reuse utility tamper tags from an old spark save me hundreds in future not having to pay for meter disconnect lol (unless they change seals)
We don't pay for meter unlocking, just call and they will unlock them. They typically use the barrel locks with the pin tool to release them. We had to cut a bunch off after this last storm, they don't like that much.
@@arnehelland6015 kk i have done a cple jobs myself up here they charge a small fortune take forever to come and do the pull than a lifetime to reinstall and our utility still uses the hold wire seals so a little screwdriver and practice no one is the wiser or just do it like you did great job
I need to know what needs to done for me to hook up hot water tank so I can make it 30 amp for a two fuses that's in a box that branches of the main fuse box??
Question? In order to do this do you have to update your whole homes electrical system or can you do it little by little? And can you give me an estimate on how much something like that would cost in a 3 story home that was built in the 1920’s
I always laugh when people say fuse panels are not safe. If that was the case, the building you are standing in to make this video and every house constructed prior to 1950 or so would no longer exist.
why you cut the cables only to have to remove them from their terminals is beyond me, and why the meter wasn't pulled at the start is interesting too.... nice video...
Meter was locked in place so you can't remove it , as for cutting only to remove from terminals I don't understand, if I cut them I'm not removing the little tails I'll just restrip them upon installation.
@@arnehelland6015 I guessed like that you are replying, but I didn't not see it. So the square d panel you installed showed in TH-cam has insulated neutral bar and the enclosure with bonding lug. Could you please confirm? And thanks again Kevin Toronto, Cadada
@@kevinlee5116 My guess: This is a sub-panel feeding another sub-panel in an upstairs apartment; so the neutral bus is insulated from the ground lug/buss in both of those sub-panels. This ensures that grounding occurs only at the main house panel, (which feeds the downstairs sub-panel--via the meter--so that the renter pays only for his electricity).
If I was gonna add a 220 line from an old fuse box , this is the proper way to do it, most insurance companies won't provide insurance with fuse boxes.
@@arnehelland6015 I meant that no one has a video on how it is done right. and you should have a video on it. as for Insurance I get what you are saying. but lets face it some cottages are still using old tech.
@@dancharron7098 honestly the only way to do another dble pole fuse right is to replace the panel. you can cheat a little by using old panel as a disconnect add new lugs to go to a new sub panel and use old fuse box as a jbox for existing circuits if they will not reach
@@arnehelland6015 I know that lol. That's what I'm doing. I'm just asking, about replacing those specific fuses. The range has a 40 and 60 amp fuse in one cartridge. I'm asking how do I replace that? With a 40 and 60 amp breaker or a double pole breaker 100?
@@mauriceallen6700 you need to know the exact guage of wire more than likely its a 40 amp and when it blew they replaced with a larger amp fuse very common and dangerous reason why fuses are not recommended. if its 8 guage wire use a dble pole 40 if its 6 guage its supposed to be a max of 55 amps. chk with local codes they will sometimes let you use a dble pole 60 with 6 gauge wire if its for an appliance tht will never draw the full 60 amps
Did you really leave the service entrance conductors for a 60 amp service in and change the rest to 100 amps? For anyone watching, it is now against NEC 2020 to install as Main Lugs Only. A main circuit breaker is required. It wasn’t really legal 4 years ago but now is specifically included. The reason not legal is the six switch rule has a minimum size main device is 60 amperes. But was not always enforced back then. Respectfully, Kevin
There is a single switch that deenergizes the whole 200amp service. So the six switch rule doesn't apply. As the load is breakered I'm perfectly comfortable with the install, its basicly a main disconnect means , nothing else.
I'm curious you are working live with the utilities meter still live and in place. Here in Canada that is an illegal no no. You are simply not allowed to do the work, unless the utility is notified and a Electrical Permit is issued. Then the utility comes and pulls and locks/blanks out that meter. After your work is completed then the utility reinstall the meter. It would seem you're working without an electrical permit. Cash and Carry! lol
@@arnehelland6015 If you're a Contractor you must be. That is also the law. You cannot work for the public without these. However I was referring to a permit to do the work. The Meter is the property of the utility. You must consult with them. But I'm not here to cause pangs, I do understand. I worked with a Local Contractor for 15 years. Been there done that! lol Have a Safe and Good Life!
But anything after the meter is the owners, and technically the pipe and wire before the meter is the owners, thats why I dont touch the meter. It is the utilities property.
@@arnehelland6015 come on be honest we all now there is doing it right and having to pay for permits and lost time than there is wth got to make money and get it done. like i say to pple i think of myself as a craftsman in the trade but occasionally i can be a CON-tractor.
At 27:15 - if you have #2 SER aluminum cable, you're only allowed 90A - not 100. 100A is used for #2 SEU on a main service; for a feeder, the max is 90A.
It's common practice , never had an issue in residential. I would never use it in commercial. It's an exception just like 4/0 alum on a 200amp service, but 250 mcm on a 200amp commercial service.
all good info except one small thing, the shaking of the gopro.i know its attached to your body but maybe a tripod would have made it less dizzy to watch thanks
A good example of why filming a job but posting it as educational is often a BAD idea.. Of course, you never say that but viewers imply it themselves. And while you knew you were replacing the house wiring up there on 3 we would have loved to see a more "pure" demonstration. If you remove the inside wiring and reconnect, the viewer sees that skill. If you announce your replacing all that and just start hacking away with a wire cutter we learn nothing. When you're on the job, you don't have the luxury of time. I get that. Just wish someone would post a good video of "here's how we disconnect all the power runs, and this is how we reconnect later".
Just a couple things: Why not pull the meter or have POCO do it. No sense of urgency in this job. Also, why not just use a 100amp disconnect switch which has the proper grounding and bonding connectors. Never seen the 6 circuit panel used like that. Guess money was a factor. Finally, there was no bonding bushing used on the incoming power from the meter. Its a service. Just my opinons. Ed Master Electrician (retired )
Edward Eroh the rigid nipple from the meter provides sufficient grounding. Size, cost and uniformity is why I used the 6 circuit panel. And sometimes scheduling doesn't work out, the basement is usually locked and that is a poco issue. I'm not uncomfortable doing it this way and it cuts down on paperwork if you get my drift.
@@fngmarket whats wrong is he has nothing better to do but complain... everything done in this video was up to spec, only thing being would have been good to disconnect power, but the insulation was great
Good job Arne ...neat and proper ...
Nice work. Thank you for sharing.
One question: since this is your first means of disconnect, the grounding conductor and the neutral are bonded, correct? I think I missed that part of the video.
you make removing those punchouts look so easy, i always struggle with those
over 30 years of doing them, but some are worse than others
Did you save the equipment?
Great job, very informational!
Very good information.. but my right ear missed out and the long blank screen at the end has me perplexed...
This 1950's house main was fused: replacing the kitchen subpanel which was an old Square D with 2 Hot, Neutral and cable as ground.
How do i apply that to new Square D?
RR
You would be better off upgrading the fused main with a main breaker panel and then it would be an appropriately sized 2 pole breaker , neutral and ground bar.
is there more after 32 minutes? its just a blank screen for the next 50 minutes..? I was all like alright day two... :)
How much roughly cost the upgrade? I have an old panel and was wondering if it's a must to replace it with breakers
The apartment i lived in had same murry fuse box what time period is it from 50s 60s 70s my parents house was wired 1970 has a waddsworth 4 pull outs and 8 screw fuses the had s type fusestats put in wjen box was installed
Do you know when fuse stats came out
There is no reason or excuse as to this needing to be done hot! Your life is worth more than the time to get it turned off! Pre planning would have resolved it. Always be safe, the life you save may just be your own!
I dont see it as life threatening or even unsafe, there are steps to follow and just being careful and cognizant of what you are doing.
Total cost of this proyecto? $$$ HOW MUCH?
i would like to know the cost to replace the old 100Amp to new breaker panel too
Great job 👏🏾..where did you get those electrical gloves from?
Just normal work gloves , nothing special, probably home depot.
6:17 Insurance companies make you change out fuse panels because they are no longer recognized as safe in homes.
Nice video! I have a duplex that needs to be upgraded meters and all! I would like to ask you some questions! is there any way I can contact you to ask you my questions one on one?
Nice install ! You have like an hour of dead air at the end of your vid though.... FYI!
J G thanks I didn't even notice
You need a bonding locknut or bonding bushing for ground continuity. Dont have my nec near. Ask another qualified electrician.
Hey Arne, you made that upgrade look so easy you're a pro. I live in Virginia in a 1910 house, my electricity is ancient, I want to hire an electrician to do the exact upgrade. Can you give me a ballpark figure as to what it would cost. Thank you
Any where from about 750- 1200 for just the panel and breakers, full service about $2000 depending on the house.
Thank you
@@arnehelland6015 up in NH i was going to say $2500 -$3000 $500 to do the labor for the entrance cable from meter and grounds to a customer supplied panel and breakers. lrnd a trick to open and reuse utility tamper tags from an old spark save me hundreds in future not having to pay for meter disconnect lol (unless they change seals)
We don't pay for meter unlocking, just call and they will unlock them. They typically use the barrel locks with the pin tool to release them. We had to cut a bunch off after this last storm, they don't like that much.
@@arnehelland6015 kk i have done a cple jobs myself up here they charge a small fortune take forever to come and do the pull than a lifetime to reinstall and our utility still uses the hold wire seals so a little screwdriver and practice no one is the wiser or just do it like you did great job
Thank you!
I need to know what needs to done for me to hook up hot water tank so I can make it 30 amp for a two fuses that's in a box that branches of the main fuse box??
Upgrade to big enough fuse panel
Question? In order to do this do you have to update your whole homes electrical system or can you do it little by little? And can you give me an estimate on how much something like that would cost in a 3 story home that was built in the 1920’s
You can do parts at a time, , what state are you in? And is it a 1 family or multifamily home?
Thank you! Pennsylvania. it was a multifamily home turned back into a single family home.
I always laugh when people say fuse panels are not safe. If that was the case, the building you are standing in to make this video and every house constructed prior to 1950 or so would no longer exist.
Right, just inconvenient plus insurance companies drop you.
I agree.My house built in 1945 with fuse panel and works perfect...lol.
why you cut the cables only to have to remove them from their terminals is beyond me, and why the meter wasn't pulled at the start is interesting too.... nice video...
Meter was locked in place so you can't remove it , as for cutting only to remove from terminals I don't understand, if I cut them I'm not removing the little tails I'll just restrip them upon installation.
@@arnehelland6015 well, anyway, you got it in without getting electrocuted! nice install! how long have you been an electrician?
great video, what do you think main service grounding? I mean neutral should be bonded to grounding conductor, grounding rod..
There is already a main disconnect with a bonded neutral / ground.
@@arnehelland6015 I guessed like that you are replying, but I didn't not see it. So the square d panel you installed showed in TH-cam has insulated neutral bar and the enclosure with bonding lug.
Could you please confirm? And thanks again
Kevin Toronto, Cadada
@@kevinlee5116 My guess: This is a sub-panel feeding another sub-panel in an upstairs apartment; so the neutral bus is insulated from the ground lug/buss in both of those sub-panels. This ensures that grounding occurs only at the main house panel, (which feeds the downstairs sub-panel--via the meter--so that the renter pays only for his electricity).
Arne, Great video! What does a job like this go for cost wise? I have a house in the BPT area that I need this exactly change out.
Dave Bonet it all depends on the site and existing wiring (if things need to be extended) , #of circuits , etc. Anywhere from 500 - 1000
Never had an insurance company make me change a panel or drop me, where do people get this from.
You're lucky , it happens all the time, apartment buildings, houses I've done a lot.
old fuse box adding a 220 line. did you know that not a single video is decent for that? Might like to make one.
If I was gonna add a 220 line from an old fuse box , this is the proper way to do it, most insurance companies won't provide insurance with fuse boxes.
@@arnehelland6015 I meant that no one has a video on how it is done right. and you should have a video on it. as for Insurance I get what you are saying. but lets face it some cottages are still using old tech.
@@dancharron7098 honestly the only way to do another dble pole fuse right is to replace the panel. you can cheat a little by using old panel as a disconnect add new lugs to go to a new sub panel and use old fuse box as a jbox for existing circuits if they will not reach
How do I change a fuse cartridge with a 40 n 60 amp fuse (range) into a breaker? Do I need two separate breakers or 100amp breaker?
You would need to change the panel itself in order to install breakers.
@@arnehelland6015 I know that lol. That's what I'm doing. I'm just asking, about replacing those specific fuses. The range has a 40 and 60 amp fuse in one cartridge. I'm asking how do I replace that? With a 40 and 60 amp breaker or a double pole breaker 100?
@@mauriceallen6700 you need to know the exact guage of wire more than likely its a 40 amp and when it blew they replaced with a larger amp fuse very common and dangerous reason why fuses are not recommended. if its 8 guage wire use a dble pole 40 if its 6 guage its supposed to be a max of 55 amps. chk with local codes they will sometimes let you use a dble pole 60 with 6 gauge wire if its for an appliance tht will never draw the full 60 amps
Did you really leave the service entrance conductors for a 60 amp service in and change the rest to 100 amps? For anyone watching, it is now against NEC 2020 to install as Main Lugs Only. A main circuit breaker is required. It wasn’t really legal 4 years ago but now is specifically included. The reason not legal is the six switch rule has a minimum size main device is 60 amperes. But was not always enforced back then.
Respectfully, Kevin
Lol, #2 ser wire to the apartment, 60 amp breaker in the disconnect I installed to protect the feeds from the meter.
There is a single switch that deenergizes the whole 200amp service. So the six switch rule doesn't apply. As the load is breakered I'm perfectly comfortable with the install, its basicly a main disconnect means , nothing else.
Are you wearing those special electric shock proof gloves or just regular ones???
Regular work gloves
@@arnehelland6015 regular work gloves? you have balls. You touched that screw driver like it was nothing
@@rockbottomi it is nothing
most decent lthr gloves like klein and clc make are great insulated gloves but i wldnt trust em some do
good shit
I would be replacing that FPE panel in the top right not the fuse box
Lol, that happened too. Just changed over 100 FPE meter disconnects with eaton retrofits and apartment panels in the last 6 months.
whats wrong with Fire Probability Enhanced red handles of hell panels???? lol
I'm curious you are working live with the utilities meter still live and in place. Here in Canada that is an illegal no no. You are simply not allowed to do the work, unless the utility is notified and a Electrical Permit is issued. Then the utility comes and pulls and locks/blanks out that meter. After your work is completed then the utility reinstall the meter. It would seem you're working without an electrical permit. Cash and Carry! lol
Licensed and insured. Just getting the job done .
@@arnehelland6015 If you're a Contractor you must be. That is also the law. You cannot work for the public without these. However I was referring to a permit to do the work. The Meter is the property of the utility. You must consult with them. But I'm not here to cause pangs, I do understand. I worked with a Local Contractor for 15 years. Been there done that! lol Have a Safe and Good Life!
But anything after the meter is the owners, and technically the pipe and wire before the meter is the owners, thats why I dont touch the meter. It is the utilities property.
@@arnehelland6015 come on be honest we all now there is doing it right and having to pay for permits and lost time than there is wth got to make money and get it done. like i say to pple i think of myself as a craftsman in the trade but occasionally i can be a CON-tractor.
38 dollars for the panel. I have used them numerous times
At 27:15 - if you have #2 SER aluminum cable, you're only allowed 90A - not 100. 100A is used for #2 SEU on a main service; for a feeder, the max is 90A.
It's common practice , never had an issue in residential. I would never use it in commercial. It's an exception just like 4/0 alum on a 200amp service, but 250 mcm on a 200amp commercial service.
all good info except one small thing, the shaking of the gopro.i know its attached to your body but maybe a tripod would have made it less dizzy to watch thanks
Even a well seasoned electro should show the example of always testing for voltage or foreign voltage for safety before working
no need to test, I know its live 120/240 from the meter.
how about you come to a unit i have in manchester nh and swap out one of these old boxes?
soft metals all of New Hampshire still has electrical panels from the 1700’s
wow you in my yard still need it done i might be interested in a fun project?
A good example of why filming a job but posting it as educational is often a BAD idea.. Of course, you never say that but viewers imply it themselves. And while you knew you were replacing the house wiring up there on 3 we would have loved to see a more "pure" demonstration. If you remove the inside wiring and reconnect, the viewer sees that skill. If you announce your replacing all that and just start hacking away with a wire cutter we learn nothing. When you're on the job, you don't have the luxury of time. I get that. Just wish someone would post a good video of "here's how we disconnect all the power runs, and this is how we reconnect later".
Just a couple things: Why not pull the meter or have POCO do it. No sense of urgency in this job. Also, why not just use a 100amp disconnect switch which has the proper grounding and bonding connectors. Never seen the 6 circuit panel used like that. Guess money was a factor. Finally, there was no bonding bushing used on the incoming power from the meter. Its a service.
Just my opinons.
Ed Master Electrician (retired )
Edward Eroh the rigid nipple from the meter provides sufficient grounding. Size, cost and uniformity is why I used the 6 circuit panel. And sometimes scheduling doesn't work out, the basement is usually locked and that is a poco issue. I'm not uncomfortable doing it this way and it cuts down on paperwork if you get my drift.
screw replacing the fuse panel, there is nothing wrong with those, replace that federal pacific panel
the amperage rating was prohibitive.
We can’t hear what he’s saying
many a trained professional is in the hospital or dead.
All men die sooner or later.
1:21:75 of complete darknes
no corrosion inhibitor
the breaker had antiox in the contact already. and the meter side is copper.
@@arnehelland6015 okay... good to know, i was not questioning you knew what you were doing i was just wondering.
THIS IS WRONG AND BOOT - LEG. SO MANY THINGS ARE LEFT OUT AND UNSAFE. NOT GOOD!!!!!
Doubt that but thanks.
Wendell Please elaborate on what is wrong.
@@fngmarket whats wrong is he has nothing better to do but complain... everything done in this video was up to spec, only thing being would have been good to disconnect power, but the insulation was great