Feixiao may get povercrept, but she will age better since FuA has a wider niche compared to whatever Acheron is. That is not to say Acheron is not amazing, but at the end of the day, FuA has more room for improvement than Acheron does
@matenagy5975 arguably. Depends only on the content we get and the new characters. All characters can get relics, supports and the content that will make them meta. And every character can be powercreped by the content and new characters.
What sucks: Acheron will only fall further from grace (still a ways off) because the devs REFUSE to give her an entire team dedicated to her needs. We get JQ and that's it. Meanwhile FUA and break teams... ESPECIALLY break teams.. I don't even need to elaborate. anyways, the takeaway is to e6s5 bailu
And who said that Acheron won't get a full dedicated team in the future...? Do you have no patience? FUA is finished, full premium limited team complete. Now, Acheron team, hypercarry, new summon team, monoquantum, DOT, etc. is gonna get its stuff. Idk why you think they're done, they're clearly not, you can see that they've implemented synergies in multiple characters kits that haven't been exploited yet. Yep, it _will_ get exploited, they plan this stuff like a year in advance. Thought Jingyuan was insanely bad? Look what happens with Sunday. HP meta is over? Not sure about that! You think Sparkle and Silver Wolf are finished...? "How could Sparkle be better than Sunday in _any_ team!" Yeah... Just you wait. Acheron team will get better too lol
lmao it's been 7 patches since she got released, and we are moving to an entire new path and these acheron copers still coping that her team is not complete xd... it's never gonna happen all those people you guys tricked into getting E2S1 acheron this patch will realize it soon 😂
She already have full plate from those nihility, and fast recharging from her eidolon. I can't think anything else beside turn manipulation, auto recharge energy received when enemy take action (which that's JQ kit), unless there's some more amp version debuff or make more powerful dmg boost for her, that's it, nothing else.
People look at cycle clears and don't look further into comparing these clears: 1. Fei is the queen of efficient damage. The chances of her overkilling is slim, only happens when you mess up with her ult, but her teams are usually sub dps + her doing damage, so you can better allocate damage to enemies and only use ult on the beefy and healthy bois. Acheron damage profile is so lopsided to ult that you see get situations where you have to ult for clean-up, which can result in wonky rotations. 2. Why run atk boots when you're overkilling so much😭 you're gimping Acheron self stack gen by not letting her go three times first cycle (just have 134 spd, e0s1/e0s0 prefers atk boots her self gen not worth it, but e2s1 regens a third of her ult by helself per turn, take advantage of that...) (Feixiao too... Atk boots are not worth not getting that third turn first cycle lets be real when both units have good self-stack gen)
acheron takes to long, she was awesome when she came out there weren't any characters can clear like her, but Fei just destroys her in clearing mobs even being single target she cleans house faster and builds up her ult quicker as long you got FUA characters
@@kyotheman69 Acheron still pretty good, and no Fei isnt better if you toss more than 2 elites even she having a Subdps and the dedicated harmony in Robin (thats why Sparkle doesnt work as good in Fei team).
@@CoconutOrNot_ depends on the team youre running but maybe in calcs its better but in practice not? at least in my experience. Running atk boots runs the risk of overkilling actually becoming a bigger issue, especially 1st wave. You kill earlier yes, but you get less stacks, and you run into situations where your forced to ult to save cycles more often. Spd boots generally nets you two more turns in a 0 cycle so it can mean an entire ult (bcs remember in a fua team, more fei turns = more robin damage, more topaz/march/moze attacks = more stacks) I have been using spd boots for forever, and I can attest to how clunky march/moze become if i switch to atk boots on her (dont have topaz so i wouldnt know abt her), and even the hypercarry option with bronya prefers spd boots for -1 setup
@@Wawawawawa750 with e2 feixiao and topaz I feel like atk boots would be better, as the raw stacks that topaz can give you each turn is much higher, I haven't calc'd it or anything just a gut feeling. but the faster your team gives stacks vs feixiao, the more value attack boots will bring
Even for the content farming, this is such a bad showcase. Imagine taking out 4th slot for 2 units in the game that benefit the most from it, not only deleting a bunch of extra stacks from E2's but also nerfing their base kits.
My guy it's not that deep, they'd probably end up getting 0 more ults... Maybe 1 if lucky, but I don't think it would've made the different... Also, yeah, Aventurine generates a few stacks for Feixiao (maybe... 2-3 MAX in a 0 cycle like this?) but with S1 those FUAs also generates stacks for Acheron too, so what's the point, it's the same result 😂
Both unit suffers from it so it's kinda fair. Acheron get less stacks since no galagher. Feixiao get less stack cuz no adven. One probably suffer more but it ain't that deep really. Both did 1 cycle.
@@BenBeckmane If the point of the video is to compare eidolons you gotta use real teams, in which case Pokke did a terrible job of showing E2 and E6 strength. With actual teams that people really use, both units will 0 cycle even without their BiS supports. But if you're making E6S5 Acheron look worse than E2S1 Acheron, it's just a bad showcase.
@@wallnut7624To be fair, Feixiao doesn't suffer that much without aven, since this e2 Feixiao can quite easily gain 6 stack getting help from Topaz, and can cast 2 times on single cycle. Meanwhile, on Acheron side, because she's an AoE unit and rely JQ debuff on enemy turn or if you prefer speedy Acheron to help regenerate more. So the conclusion between these two, one faster and can saving more, and the other one it's kinda slow and sometimes forcing you to cast ult to not waste the overflow energy.
"Performs much better" Meanwhile, Feixiao still manages to 0c the boss with almost the same investment as Acheron. Fyi, Feixiao needs to do 5m dmg without weakness. Meanwhile, Acheron only needs to do 1m dmg per enemy (cuz of shared hp, 1m dmg on each enemy totals to 5m) with weakness. Feixiao is way too broken to be even compared to other dps units tbh.
@@deltaspecies1697 I never said that Acheron performs better than Feixiao on second side I said Acheron performs better on second side rather than first side Stop putting words in my mouth
@@deltaspecies1697 I have only seen a single 0 cycle clear video with Feixiao on the TV side and it was an extremely clutch sustainless clear with super red HP, meanwhile Acheron clears 0 cycles under the comfort of Aventurine with no damage taken, so I'm not sure it's all that comparable 💀
@BenBeckmane bro i cant with these hypocrite people 😭 they glaze feixiao for 0 cycling aoe oriented boss but when acheron was 0 cycling a single target oriented boss they doompost the shit out of her, and they be taking this showcase and all these arguing about whos better seriously too
this is why i am slowly losing interest in hsr as someone who cares about meta since its not fun to see the character you invested so much into fall off and I imagine with amphorous this issue will only keep growing, if amphorious is as bad as penacony in terms of powercreep I will probably just drop the game because whats even the point even supports get powercrept in hsr its crazy tomorrow they will release another teamwide AA character with built in res pen and other buffs and oops robins fallen off
@@Moth-Grinder650 well its probably not long before feixiao gets powerfcrept too lmfao happened with acheron so you best belive it will happen with feixiao as well in this regard genshin truly could never, took them damn near 4 years to release a power creep unit like nuivillete and arlechino lmfao
A good percentage of people do really enjoy the team building aspect of the game. But man does wear you out at times even if you’re just tuning in for news and playing content when they drop. Despite all, you do get a feeling dread mixed with the excitement because it inevitably means you’ll feel like you have to spend money
The problem is that e6 acheron was utilizing her full e2 and Feixiao wasnt. Not a complete comparison. Should have used Lingsha for her instead of Bailu
The problem is Feixiao was using Robin and topaz dealing godly amount of damage while acheron wasnt. Its not fair to compare them. I love them both but this game doesnt have enough supports for every type of thing. The only complete teams are FART and Firefly team.
@@yukiakira. True. But at the same time not having support for Acheron is by design. Needing nihility companion and unit that can apply debuff is a requirement of her kit. Unless they drop another Jiaoqui just for her. The reality of this showcase is that they are both nerfed, because the game have no way to resist their full team at e0. P.s.: btw, the relic difference between that Acheron and that Feixiao is absurd. We are talking about a top 1% Acheron vs a top 20~30% feixiao.
Reminder that this was still in a stage with 2 enemies. If that was on the second fight (the banana boss) acheron would be even better. She also doesn't rely heavily on robin, sparkle, or any harmony, meanwhile feixiao requires robin otherwise she falls off really hard.
It's E6S5 Acheron vs E2S1 Feixiao... Relax... People acting like it's a fair comparison. I mean wasn't the Eidolon difference enough? Had to take away Feixiao's FUA harmony unit as well? Pairing FX with an hypercarry harmony (Sparkle) makes no sense either. Of course FX relies on Robin, she's a FUA buffer harmony unit. Just like Acheron needs Nihility unit/units. Imagine the other way around. E6S5 Feixiao vs E2S1 Acheron. Now on top of that take away Jiaoqiu. Good luck with that.
@eduardomiguel4773 acheron doesnt rely on jiaoqiu the same way fx relies on robin. You can play acheron with guinaifen and pela and she will still perform well
@@mattheusspooThe dumbest argument that Acheron mains use. Other dps units rely to much on others to work. Meanwhile Acheron's kit is tied to 2 Nihility units E0... Ok buddy. 😂
@eduardomiguel4773 im not a acheron main lol. Neither a feixiao hater. Just saying feixiao requires the top 1 best support in the game to function properly while acheron will work well with 4* units and is way more maleable, being able to use many replacements. You can use double dot with her (kafka/bs), you can use a full 4* team, you can use a mix of those, you can use welt, silverwolf, and like pretty much any nihility that apply a debuff. Feixiao is robin or nothing. Just probably the most contested support in the game.
If lingsha or aventurine were used It’d be a very different story, of course Acheron would also do better but feixiao benefits significantly more from it
@DobinSergei acheron has the advantage in this video since her teams bis is Jiaoqiu while follow up teams bis is robin, pokke didn’t do a run with no Jiaoqiu but did with no robin twice, Acheron can perform well with any 5 star harmony so long as jq is generating stacks but removing robin for a comp that does team wide damage and as well removing a sustain stack generator leads to feixiao being at a significant disadvantage. TLDR: feixiao team has the stack generating disadvantage the entire vid while also taking the most damage from not using their bis support. Even with Gallagher it’s significantly less generated stacks compared to aven or lingsha
A couple notes (BEFORE ANYONE RESPONDS, I'M NOT MAKING COMMENTS ON THE VIDEO CONTENT, I'M NOT SAYING ACHERON IS BETTER THAN FEIXIAO.) - This Acheron build sucks. The crit ratio is good, but the attack isn't. A good Acheron should have 3500 Atk IN BATTLE. This Acheron has the 3500 attack needed, but with Robin, she overcapps on attack, which leads to diminishing returns on damage. - Slow Acheron does not pair well with Robin. Slow Acheron should be used with supports that can give more than one action advance per cycle (EX, Broyna, Sparkle, Sunday), which Robin cannot do. - IF YOU RUN ACHERON WITH ROBIN, USE SPEED BOOTS. this lowers the attack, getting rid of the over capping problem. Since it'll be a fast Acheron (134 speed needed) You will also get more stacks on ultimate. Edit: I only got through the first part of the video, but I'm seeing now that he does use Sparkle as a support. Sparkle as I mentioned is good with slow Acheron, but he also uses Ruan Mei, which sucks with slow Acheron. Like with Robin, She gives an attack boost which is wasted on a slow Acheron, and a 10% speed boost which is also wasted. I'd say also use fast Acheron with Ruan mei so you don't waste any damage. (You only need 120 speed for fast Acheron if you're using her with Ruan Mei)
When I see my guy comparing a hyper focus single target dmg vs an almost erudition unit on an almost single target unit, I already know he was trolling 😂😂😂😂
Honestly i don't even care. I'm just excited to see if i can 0 cycle with a Topaz, Feixiao, Sunday and Sparkle setup since i don't have Robin yet. Wish me luck guys, planning to go for Sunday's e1 for my Topaz and future Aglaea
Both are on the same level but to me is undeniable that Feixiao seems better overall. Yeah, this MoC is good because the first half has few enemies and the second half the boss have shared HP, but it still is E2 vs E6. There's no room for improvment for Acheron besides getting new characters to help her, meanwhile Feixiao still have 4 more eidolons, and even though she already have a dedicated team, she could still benefit from future, more even stronger characters imo
Feixiao has no more room to grow lol, she has perfect team, it can not get better. While Acheron has only JQ.. Maybe after summon meta devs will decide to go back to dot teams and bring a signature harmony and sustain for Acheron
Acheron already has a dedicated support in the form of Jiaqiu, he applies debuffs, increases damage taken and ult damage dealt essentially buffs the team through debuffs, that's basically all Acheron needs, not to mention he is Nihility too, not a Harmony unit so he fills into any team before her E2. That's the best Acheron is going to be for quite some time, while Feixiao wasn't even E6S5 like Acheron was and they "basically went head to head". On the same note Feixiao is just one of the many FUA dps, while Acheron is fills a niche role, FUA will always get better supports, better sub DPS units, better relics etc... Feixiao will get buffs through better FUA teams or stronger FUA relics, MoC, PF or AS with FuA focused content and lightcones...
This is a double edged sword. It’s more likely that feixiao will be put to the side like Ratio in favor for the new DPS, whereas it will take a longer time for us to get an “Acheron 2” to replace her spot on the debuff team.
@pally3370 It took 3 patches for Acheron to start falling behind. Feixiao might be powercrept by new units but we are comparing Acheron and Feixiao not Achero and Acheron 2.0 or Feixiao and a new DPS. We are talking about how well they will age and how will they perform in upcoming content and you could already see Acherons falling behind because her niche is hard to fill in and she is likely not getting any buffs any time soon unlike the whole follow up teams who will immediately get a buff once they get an other FuA sub DPS like Moze or Topaz, an other harmony unit to weaken Robin, etc... Not to mention endgame content where FuA has it's on place with their unique buffs and FuA related content. Let's mention Lighcones. How many new lightcone do you think will release that could be Acheron's new BiS? And how much will be released for Feixiao? FuA hunt units isn't exactly rare, thus they have plenty new relics and lightcones, she will be powercrept by new units surely but she'll get buffed by new content aimed for Hunt and FuA units.
well truth is if they keep increasing defense and health of enemy any and all dps are going to face same problem in future they will fell short no matter if its 0 cycle or not
@@kingsimba9513 That’s weird to say considering that Feixiao already has her best team out in the game alongside all the buffs in the game that favour her, meaning she has already reached her highest potential, while Acheron only has JQ as a dedicated support and the rest of the team is just whatever you can slap together. I think Acheron is the one that still hasn’t reached her full potential, actually.
@@ALL_FOR_NOTHING_Feixiao can easily 40k PF, the AOE mode. If Acheron's only good in 3+ target scenarios, then she's a glorified useless Erudition unit.
@@cielsteamUnfortunately, last I checked, HSR's terms and conditions didn't have an "Acheron must receive the perfect limited 5* team" clause. We know Hoyo's willing to abandon entire characters (DHIL, JL), so what makes you think Acheron is safe?
@ comment section literacy challenge: impossible Literally nobody is bring up cost here Also, yeah dog, running a 4 man team even with E0S1 is usually better than running a full on E6S5 carry with a 3 man team, espcially when you are actively trying to 0 cycle. That’s how the game functions my guy
the only reason robin side struggled was that pokke was doing so much damage that he couldnt get extra stacks for second wave. Overkilling screwed him over but its not robin's fault that she buffs damage more than sparkle and that the lower damage sparkle offered was actually useful in this whale showcase.
@@Wawawawawa750 1.216 million damage with Robin on Svarog + Elite (ult active) and 1.338 million with Sparkle at the end, although Svarog was broken, so it's almost equal in damage. I guess Robin probably has the advantage for her full team advance though. Damage wise it wasn't really all that different, if you can push your Sparkle relics to have an insane amount of speed and run ATK% boots and full crit rolls on Acheron for hyperspeed setup, it becomes super super close for Sparkle VS Robin, so yeah, it's a close match
Sparkle is bis for mono quantum ( future modern quantum dps ), sp hungry modern dps and acheron. No debates whatsoever. Robin is Bis for fua and Sunday is bis for summoners. The end.
@@dimitristakis6396 Yeah exactly. I'm legitimately curious who the monoquantum DPS that powercreeps QQ will be, though. Like, whether it's Cipher, Castorice, or if it has to wait for emanator Masked Sampo even later down the line. What I think would be neat is if Castorice's memosprite is the DPS while she's a healer, so that you can run Castorice + Sparkle + Tribbie + Silver Wolf without the need for Fu Xuan / Lynx. DPS + healer in one just like Lingsha, basically
@@BenBeckmane Castorice in 3.2 is leaked by Seele leaks to be a Quantum Rememberance. So, maybe Sparkle can see more use but I reckon that a majority of her damage might be locked behind her summon, making Sunday the better option. I really feel for Sparkle, she was much more interesting character and they just had to powercreep the heck outta her by chicken-wing boy
2.0 unit vs a 3.0 unit is crazy work 💀 Honestly Pokke could have just went full on WAR and removed the stupid "nerfing" since Fei e2 can easily keep up with e6 Ache.
@@maxsw3llzeaNo. You have to look at it in terms of which unit provides the most to their respective comps. For Feixiao it's Robin, and for Acheron it's JQ.
@poin8456 ahhh so Fei dosent need aven or topaz to be at the top i got u man, Acheron only has 1 Fei already has the perfekt Team so lets wait for Like a Tank for Acheron
E2 Acheron, E2 Sparkle, E1S1 Jiaoqiu 0 cycle both sides easy. No DDD. Fu Xuan sustain. E1S1 Feixiao, E2S1 Robin, E6 Moze E0S1 Aventurine 0 cycle side 1 easy, but side 2 is just slow and problematic. E6 Acheron unnecessary. If I had E2 Feixiao and E1S1 Topaz then 0 cycle on side 2 may be possible, but 5 million damage single focus is just slower than AoE against 5 targets with shared HP, even with chaining Robin ults without the E2 and power and fire weakness from E1S1 Topaz, so I'd have liked to see that comparison. Acheron just ate the bananacademic staff's lunch in her sleep. 2.2M ult nearly one shot the full phase 2 HP bar, one E0S1 Fu Xuan ult finished it and Sparkle had a turn left. Take this as you will, just more data for the pile. I love them both and have true 0-cycled the last 3 MoC with them.
Bonus, got 1 cycle side 1 with sustainless DoT using E1S1 Ruan Mei and Jiaoqiu respectively (Black Swan too, E0S1 Kafka). 3 cycles with no Jiaoqiu and Huo Huo. Feelsgoodman.
Just skill issue, I've seen low cost fei 0 cycling phase 2. th-cam.com/video/6YrxDJ71z6k/w-d-xo.html found the vid, it's sustainless but can be done even with sustain with your eidolons
@@alex_9236 @alex_9236 that's a great clear, but I don't have any sustainless tank builds for support like Robin, or even one full 4pc wind set on my acct. my Bronya is E0 and skill points were a major issue when using her. I was just talking about with fairly casual builds and regular relic sets. My Feixiao is 137 speed, doesn't even hit 160 with E2 Robin. I didn't say it couldn't be done, just my experience. if no wind set or heavy speed farming is skill issue than ok, but I don't have that kinda time lol
Fei was massively nerfed by MrPokke's horrendous speedtuning, lol. Not to mention, Fei, especially E2 Fei, with an optimized rotation is stronger with wind set since it can net her 2 extra turns if you actually know what you are doing.
So are you a HSR expert? Better even than no.1 CC? Where are your guides, showcases etc? How many views and subscribers do you have? Oh, you're just flexing at us. 😏
@@DobinSergei Parasocial brainrot is sad to see. Womp womp. RIP. Being a CC has absolutely nothing to do with being great at min-maxing in a game. Rather, Pokke being so busy being a full time entertainer means he likely doesn't even have the time to learn the optimal rotations for every character of every rotation of every dupe and the like, or farm all the relics needed for it all either. Mask off, I'm sure Pokke would have no qualms admitting that either, as there is nothing wrong with that being so. It doesn't change that what I said is factually true though, lol. Maybe if you cry about it enough, reality will stop being so. Or you can just get over your pretend friend not being infallible in a phone game, lol...
@@valkyrieregalia wow, so many yapping appeared here 😏 Is this how you excuse yourself? The fact is - you flexing, now offending people. May proceed disgrace yourself more. You poor even clueless the matter is in you, not us.
perhaps e2 s1 Feixiao isn't stronger than e6 s5 Acheron, but... the difference between them is a bit too close considering the 8 cost gap the take away is pull for the obviously broken E2s if u wanna hyper invest. E6 ain't ever worth it
I'm fairly certain aventurine would change fk all lol. At most ur getting 2 FuA from em (if that even) and 1 ult and while that's a solid dmg boost it ain't allat without robin. And if u run robin that's just FART and at that point it's a 2 v 4 And even e6 acheron suddenly becomes the underdog just like everyone else that isn't FF (or rappa once Fugue comes out). Probably gallagher would've been more reasonable. bailu unironically did absolutely FK ALL to acheron while atleast giving fei sum stacks for just attacking which isn't certainly nothing. A gallagher would have been more consistent since he benefits both units pretty much equally and unlike aventurine there no RnG at all with em. I expected atleast one run with each unit's BIS against 2nd half for memes but maybe that's TOO acheron favoured as 3 out of the 4 memebers on her team including herself can control TVs easily where as Feixiao would need a galla or linghsa otherwise it's a bit scuffed. If this shows anything it's that feixiao needs robin way more...no surprises there.
Acheron still missing 2 powerful support (only JQ)and yet FEIXIAO already got all powerful limited 5" support =FART😂 I expect in 3.0+ we got new sustain summoner with debuff kit _-not dot sustain-_
@flatdefgod2960 tbh her best 0 cycle team Is Robin bronya March especially for e2 fei,Can we stop the cap that acheron doesn't have a full team?like FR you have aven that can use trend and his ult for proc stacks or even his LC plus his ult for free stacks on acheron,you have jiaoqui that literally gives her ult on every time She has her turn plus she can literally scam bronya/Sparkle/Robin/ruan mei on their achetype at e2 so her team Is done.Not to mention if they create another nihility it has to be Better than jiaoqui and It would also make her e2 useless,while in fei case even at e0 if they release an upgrade of topaz or any other follow up Attack sub Dps/buffer or even support not only her e0 will be stronger but also her e2 would be even more broken.The fact that acheron e6 needs jiaoqui to compete against fei with no Robin says a lot,she's baal 2.0 people over invested on her thinking that she was op cause on release she was shilled asf and now they have to cope about It.
Unfortunately, last I checked, HSR's terms and conditions didn't have an "Acheron must receive the perfect limited 5* team" clause. We know Hoyo's willing to abandon entire characters (DHIL, JL), so what makes you think Acheron is safe?
@@kingsimba9513 cause she requires Nihility. If you want abandon Acheron you have to demolish Nihility characters which is quite different than leaving alone a few characters
If only noticing damage numbers, Acheron looks better. But there is overall dps. From all these FuA from Feixiao and Topaz, which triggering Robin's additional damage. They damaging more often and not so obvious. So in total it could be even more.
Tbh All you had to do for prove a point Is ok we remove Robin from fei but we also have to remove jiaoqui from acheron😂Cause my wife keeping up with an acheron C6 says a lot
@@securez4213to remind you that fei in this case wasn't using her full e2,usually 0 cyclers on fei (even at e0s0)they use Robin bronya March and by far it's her best team for 0 cycle especially at low cost so even while having topaz and aven they barely are played on fei 0 cycles teams especially with relatable stats,In fact if you see acheron 0 cycles they either have jiaoqui or if they don't you see him the other 3 supports have unrealistic stats while she also has unrealistic ones,fei since release managed to 0 cycle even without robin Just to keep in mind.Acheron has no escuse for not having a full team when she has jiaoqui that does 90% of her stacks then aven with lc or trend depends if you use or have jiaoqui and 4th slot can be whatever,we are talking about an e6 acheron meaning she's fully utilizing her e2,not to mention that if they release a new nihility it has to be Better than jiaoqui at everything he does,not only that e2 would be completely useless cause you would use an harmony regardless for better dmg,While in fei case if they release more follow up supports She Will also benefit at e0 and even more at e2.
Acheron without jiao still do shit same with Fei without Robin. Id argue Fei loses more dps because Robin ult does dmg for the whole team especially with follow up but it doesn't means she's worse than Acheron
Wouldn’t it make more sense to fight an enemy that is not weak to lightning/wind considering E6 acheron is more Res Pen so fighting that is already weak to lightning lowers the value of that? And also considering that both are generally good even against non-element weak enemies
It's pretty simple, you take any scenario where it's not a 1-2 enemies, wind weak boss, and E6 Acheron wins easily. Different element? Acheron wins. AOE? Acheron wins. Can't use Robin? Acheron wins. Feixiao is a lot _less_ situational than the old FUA comps and can buldoze a lot of content, but she's a lot more situational than people want to admit. Before Feixiao came out, barely any wind weaknesses. Feixiao came out, and whoops! Suddenly one side has Kafka, Hoolay, Svarog, then Svarog again... 4 in a row, how odd! Considering that the _last_ wind weakness before that was 5 entire MOCs before!
i 0 cycled Svarog with e2 Acheron with no planning or thought 💀I think Pokke is just bad at the game but I do concur Feixiao is busted and I used Robin, not Sparkle
@@skrypnykk.770 Bronya > Sparkle. Acheron e2 benefits more from action advance and CD, than from additional SP. Even Bronya > Sunday, as additional energy simply doesn't work. And most of his buffs going to summons.
I know everyone keeps saying Acheron doesn't have her full team yet, so just wait, and she will be great again. That honestly sounds like a massive amount of cope. What more does she need that she doesn't already have access to. She already has team setup that allowed her to hit with 100% def shred. Adventurine and Lingsha work really well as the sustain for her. She has Jq, and in the second slot, u can run Robin, Sparkle, or Silver Wolf. She is a hypercarry unit who loves hypercarry support. Silver wolf may be a single target, but she still provides 56% def shred and applies debuffs with every action. I know people keep saying aoe SW, but literally what is the point when she already over kills ads. If i remember right, 45% of Acheron's dmg is in overkill. Why is increasing that number going to save her. Even in double elite scenarios, it's not going to make a massive difference over a single target SW. Just rip the band aid off, Acheron fell off. This will happen to all dps including Feixiao and FF. Before u say Rappa power crept FF. That has yet to be seen. Rappa has strong potential, but in aoe content. With small groups of enemies like the normal two elite scenarios we get in MoC. Rappa struggles to maintain her stacks, which she needs to maintain her dmg output. Now rumor is that with summons that they are all going to be aoe and we will have a shift to an aoe meta. If that happens, then yes, Rappa will fly to the top. Right now, this is all just rumors until official releases
Idk if Acheron is better than Feixiao but theres only one thing i know, Wuwa is the best gacha game atm, towering hoyoshills gaem quality. Hoyo especislly HSr are only in top revenue because of their predatory practices and their audience are so easy to manipulate and rip-off their money 😇
"Feixiao seems stronger in this MOC" insane because the enemy line-ups are Acheron favoured (both lightning weak and no chunky ST boss like Argenti, Aventurine, or Hoolay). I mean, this MOC was on her banner after all lol.
@@kingsimba9513 I don't think its insane, enemies are also only two enemies with also wind weakness. If you run the best teams for the DPSs I do believe Feixiao will do better. It can also be harder to determine with this showcase due to eidolon discrepancy between DPS. The real interesting showcase will be next week with Sunday, Robin and Jingyuan.
@@eherden2169 Nihility with a debuff like " if enemies with this debuff being attacked, the attacker will restore their HP with x% amount of the dmg dealt" seems good enough tho. Alongside other dmg increase debuff effect.
@@suzain_769res penetration is just that broken (and fei not being a hyper carry also matters) plus fei should have 300% crit damage (with the debuffs from topaz) without sparkle buff another 80 or 100 doesn't do that much compared to 25% res pen.
I agree that Feixiao is better but why are you only using MoC as test grounds when Acheron's best modes are AS > PF > MoC while Feixiao's best modes are MoC > AS > PF it's like doing a PF test run with Boothill and Rappa to decide who is better
Each one has a counter. For Feixiao, there are bosses that force you to deal with minions before you can deal damage to them, you'll wish you had E0 Acheron then.
This isn't E6 acheron or E2 Feixiao showcase. This is none other than bailu showcase here.
her healing actually surprised me a bit not a single sp needed to be used huo huo could never
It’s a Mrpokke showcase. Mrfraudkke
mind to explain why bailu great?
why not galaher or lingsha
Get mogged
bailu my goat everyone make sure to choose her for the free 5 star she will make 0 cycle so much easier
Fitting enough I'm getting her cuz she's the only standard i haven't gotten and i have s3 of himekoand gepards lc
Yeah, ill pass
@@ZenoFlamesEchohow dare you say that
Excellent Bailu showcase, my prince!
Some people shit one characters and praise the others as if their favorites will not be powercreped.
Feixiao may get povercrept, but she will age better since FuA has a wider niche compared to whatever Acheron is. That is not to say Acheron is not amazing, but at the end of the day, FuA has more room for improvement than Acheron does
@matenagy5975 arguably.
Depends only on the content we get and the new characters.
All characters can get relics, supports and the content that will make them meta. And every character can be powercreped by the content and new characters.
@@matenagy5975💀💀💀💀
@@matenagy5975yep yep just like E2 DHIL, Kafka and black swan team, and E2 acheron. They were all complete and lasted very long
@karew7051 DHIL is still relevant unlike Jingliu, and DoT is and was always weak without proper endgame cycle buffs
What sucks: Acheron will only fall further from grace (still a ways off) because the devs REFUSE to give her an entire team dedicated to her needs. We get JQ and that's it.
Meanwhile FUA and break teams... ESPECIALLY break teams.. I don't even need to elaborate.
anyways, the takeaway is to e6s5 bailu
And who said that Acheron won't get a full dedicated team in the future...? Do you have no patience?
FUA is finished, full premium limited team complete. Now, Acheron team, hypercarry, new summon team, monoquantum, DOT, etc. is gonna get its stuff. Idk why you think they're done, they're clearly not, you can see that they've implemented synergies in multiple characters kits that haven't been exploited yet. Yep, it _will_ get exploited, they plan this stuff like a year in advance.
Thought Jingyuan was insanely bad? Look what happens with Sunday. HP meta is over? Not sure about that! You think Sparkle and Silver Wolf are finished...? "How could Sparkle be better than Sunday in _any_ team!" Yeah... Just you wait. Acheron team will get better too lol
ah yes, a midcheron coper
Bro chill out. The herta will probably powercreep her even more. Just enjoy the game and forget the meta.
lmao it's been 7 patches since she got released, and we are moving to an entire new path and these acheron copers still coping that her team is not complete xd... it's never gonna happen all those people you guys tricked into getting E2S1 acheron this patch will realize it soon 😂
She already have full plate from those nihility, and fast recharging from her eidolon. I can't think anything else beside turn manipulation, auto recharge energy received when enemy take action (which that's JQ kit), unless there's some more amp version debuff or make more powerful dmg boost for her, that's it, nothing else.
People look at cycle clears and don't look further into comparing these clears:
1. Fei is the queen of efficient damage. The chances of her overkilling is slim, only happens when you mess up with her ult, but her teams are usually sub dps + her doing damage, so you can better allocate damage to enemies and only use ult on the beefy and healthy bois. Acheron damage profile is so lopsided to ult that you see get situations where you have to ult for clean-up, which can result in wonky rotations.
2. Why run atk boots when you're overkilling so much😭 you're gimping Acheron self stack gen by not letting her go three times first cycle (just have 134 spd, e0s1/e0s0 prefers atk boots her self gen not worth it, but e2s1 regens a third of her ult by helself per turn, take advantage of that...) (Feixiao too... Atk boots are not worth not getting that third turn first cycle lets be real when both units have good self-stack gen)
acheron takes to long, she was awesome when she came out there weren't any characters can clear like her, but Fei just destroys her in clearing mobs even being single target she cleans house faster and builds up her ult quicker as long you got FUA characters
Didn't someone do the math for fei and said that atk boots are better for 0 cycles?
@@kyotheman69 Acheron still pretty good, and no Fei isnt better if you toss more than 2 elites even she having a Subdps and the dedicated harmony in Robin (thats why Sparkle doesnt work as good in Fei team).
@@CoconutOrNot_ depends on the team youre running but maybe in calcs its better but in practice not? at least in my experience. Running atk boots runs the risk of overkilling actually becoming a bigger issue, especially 1st wave. You kill earlier yes, but you get less stacks, and you run into situations where your forced to ult to save cycles more often. Spd boots generally nets you two more turns in a 0 cycle so it can mean an entire ult (bcs remember in a fua team, more fei turns = more robin damage, more topaz/march/moze attacks = more stacks) I have been using spd boots for forever, and I can attest to how clunky march/moze become if i switch to atk boots on her (dont have topaz so i wouldnt know abt her), and even the hypercarry option with bronya prefers spd boots for -1 setup
@@Wawawawawa750 with e2 feixiao and topaz I feel like atk boots would be better, as the raw stacks that topaz can give you each turn is much higher, I haven't calc'd it or anything just a gut feeling. but the faster your team gives stacks vs feixiao, the more value attack boots will bring
E6 Acheron vs E2 Feixiao at the end of the day this was a Bailu showcase and we all know it.
Even for the content farming, this is such a bad showcase. Imagine taking out 4th slot for 2 units in the game that benefit the most from it, not only deleting a bunch of extra stacks from E2's but also nerfing their base kits.
My guy it's not that deep, they'd probably end up getting 0 more ults... Maybe 1 if lucky, but I don't think it would've made the different...
Also, yeah, Aventurine generates a few stacks for Feixiao (maybe... 2-3 MAX in a 0 cycle like this?) but with S1 those FUAs also generates stacks for Acheron too, so what's the point, it's the same result 😂
Both unit suffers from it so it's kinda fair. Acheron get less stacks since no galagher. Feixiao get less stack cuz no adven. One probably suffer more but it ain't that deep really. Both did 1 cycle.
@@BenBeckmane If the point of the video is to compare eidolons you gotta use real teams, in which case Pokke did a terrible job of showing E2 and E6 strength. With actual teams that people really use, both units will 0 cycle even without their BiS supports. But if you're making E6S5 Acheron look worse than E2S1 Acheron, it's just a bad showcase.
@@wallnut7624To be fair, Feixiao doesn't suffer that much without aven, since this e2 Feixiao can quite easily gain 6 stack getting help from Topaz, and can cast 2 times on single cycle. Meanwhile, on Acheron side, because she's an AoE unit and rely JQ debuff on enemy turn or if you prefer speedy Acheron to help regenerate more. So the conclusion between these two, one faster and can saving more, and the other one it's kinda slow and sometimes forcing you to cast ult to not waste the overflow energy.
both e2 feixiao and e6 acheron can 0 cycle any moc pretty trivially, not really possible to compare them fairly so this is just for fun
Acheron performs much better second side thought, where the enemies have shared HP pool
"Performs much better"
Meanwhile, Feixiao still manages to 0c the boss with almost the same investment as Acheron.
Fyi, Feixiao needs to do 5m dmg without weakness. Meanwhile, Acheron only needs to do 1m dmg per enemy (cuz of shared hp, 1m dmg on each enemy totals to 5m) with weakness.
Feixiao is way too broken to be even compared to other dps units tbh.
@@deltaspecies1697 I never said that Acheron performs better than Feixiao on second side
I said Acheron performs better on second side rather than first side
Stop putting words in my mouth
@@deltaspecies1697 I have only seen a single 0 cycle clear video with Feixiao on the TV side and it was an extremely clutch sustainless clear with super red HP, meanwhile Acheron clears 0 cycles under the comfort of Aventurine with no damage taken, so I'm not sure it's all that comparable 💀
@@usernamechris07 Then what's the point lol. If what you're saying wouldn't changed anything, why even mention it.
@BenBeckmane bro i cant with these hypocrite people 😭 they glaze feixiao for 0 cycling aoe oriented boss but when acheron was 0 cycling a single target oriented boss they doompost the shit out of her, and they be taking this showcase and all these arguing about whos better seriously too
Turkish sultans:,,My first wife vs my second wife’’☠️☠️☠️
Typical gacha game experience 😏
A big issue is robin is so far ahead fua than another support would be the extra robin hit is so huge for fua
this is why i am slowly losing interest in hsr as someone who cares about meta since its not fun to see the character you invested so much into fall off and I imagine with amphorous this issue will only keep growing, if amphorious is as bad as penacony in terms of powercreep I will probably just drop the game because whats even the point even supports get powercrept in hsr its crazy tomorrow they will release another teamwide AA character with built in res pen and other buffs and oops robins fallen off
Saaaame
Another acheron-cell seething from Feixiao mogging ever other unit 😭
Only if you're chasing 0 cycles. If you're actually doing content powercreep is a lot less relevant
@@Moth-Grinder650 well its probably not long before feixiao gets powerfcrept too lmfao happened with acheron so you best belive it will happen with feixiao as well in this regard genshin truly could never, took them damn near 4 years to release a power creep unit like nuivillete and arlechino lmfao
@@Omegeddon wdym 1.x dps without a lot of investment are tanking at 4 or 5 cycles
Bailu ahowcase at last, prydwen would say she's tier 0, look at these amazing clears
Both of them will be powercrept during 3.0 and we all know it.
A good percentage of people do really enjoy the team building aspect of the game. But man does wear you out at times even if you’re just tuning in for news and playing content when they drop. Despite all, you do get a feeling dread mixed with the excitement because it inevitably means you’ll feel like you have to spend money
The problem is that e6 acheron was utilizing her full e2 and Feixiao wasnt. Not a complete comparison. Should have used Lingsha for her instead of Bailu
The problem is Feixiao was using Robin and topaz dealing godly amount of damage while acheron wasnt. Its not fair to compare them. I love them both but this game doesnt have enough supports for every type of thing. The only complete teams are FART and Firefly team.
Blud, averentine at max is giving 1 or 2 extra stacks because it's a zero cycle. THe enemies are not attacking that much.
Bro thinks aven is just a stack generator for feixiao
@@yukiakira. True. But at the same time not having support for Acheron is by design. Needing nihility companion and unit that can apply debuff is a requirement of her kit. Unless they drop another Jiaoqui just for her.
The reality of this showcase is that they are both nerfed, because the game have no way to resist their full team at e0.
P.s.: btw, the relic difference between that Acheron and that Feixiao is absurd. We are talking about a top 1% Acheron vs a top 20~30% feixiao.
@@AlwaysThirstys And the funny thing is that S1 Aventurine would generate 2 extra stacks for Acheron as well 😂
Great Video. Nice Bailu Showcase btw
Is this truly our honkai star rail
"LOOK OUT!!...HERE COME THE %1 MAAAN"
Just embrace it pokke and turn it into merch, lol.
Reminder that this was still in a stage with 2 enemies. If that was on the second fight (the banana boss) acheron would be even better. She also doesn't rely heavily on robin, sparkle, or any harmony, meanwhile feixiao requires robin otherwise she falls off really hard.
It's E6S5 Acheron vs E2S1 Feixiao... Relax... People acting like it's a fair comparison. I mean wasn't the Eidolon difference enough? Had to take away Feixiao's FUA harmony unit as well? Pairing FX with an hypercarry harmony (Sparkle) makes no sense either. Of course FX relies on Robin, she's a FUA buffer harmony unit. Just like Acheron needs Nihility unit/units. Imagine the other way around. E6S5 Feixiao vs E2S1 Acheron. Now on top of that take away Jiaoqiu. Good luck with that.
@eduardomiguel4773 acheron doesnt rely on jiaoqiu the same way fx relies on robin. You can play acheron with guinaifen and pela and she will still perform well
@@mattheusspooSo you're saying she can RELY on 2 nihility units. Lol
@@mattheusspooThe dumbest argument that Acheron mains use. Other dps units rely to much on others to work. Meanwhile Acheron's kit is tied to 2 Nihility units E0... Ok buddy. 😂
@eduardomiguel4773 im not a acheron main lol. Neither a feixiao hater. Just saying feixiao requires the top 1 best support in the game to function properly while acheron will work well with 4* units and is way more maleable, being able to use many replacements. You can use double dot with her (kafka/bs), you can use a full 4* team, you can use a mix of those, you can use welt, silverwolf, and like pretty much any nihility that apply a debuff. Feixiao is robin or nothing. Just probably the most contested support in the game.
"dedicated support for acheron"
My guy, thats Jiaoqiu
If lingsha or aventurine were used It’d be a very different story, of course Acheron would also do better but feixiao benefits significantly more from it
Gallagher benefits both them?
@DobinSergei acheron has the advantage in this video since her teams bis is Jiaoqiu while follow up teams bis is robin, pokke didn’t do a run with no Jiaoqiu but did with no robin twice, Acheron can perform well with any 5 star harmony so long as jq is generating stacks but removing robin for a comp that does team wide damage and as well removing a sustain stack generator leads to feixiao being at a significant disadvantage. TLDR: feixiao team has the stack generating disadvantage the entire vid while also taking the most damage from not using their bis support. Even with Gallagher it’s significantly less generated stacks compared to aven or lingsha
Not really, 0 cycle means aven doesn't generate nearly as many stacks for fei as he does for acheron with his sig lc
A couple notes (BEFORE ANYONE RESPONDS, I'M NOT MAKING COMMENTS ON THE VIDEO CONTENT, I'M NOT SAYING ACHERON IS BETTER THAN FEIXIAO.)
- This Acheron build sucks. The crit ratio is good, but the attack isn't. A good Acheron should have 3500 Atk IN BATTLE. This Acheron has the 3500 attack needed, but with Robin, she overcapps on attack, which leads to diminishing returns on damage.
- Slow Acheron does not pair well with Robin. Slow Acheron should be used with supports that can give more than one action advance per cycle (EX, Broyna, Sparkle, Sunday), which Robin cannot do.
- IF YOU RUN ACHERON WITH ROBIN, USE SPEED BOOTS. this lowers the attack, getting rid of the over capping problem. Since it'll be a fast Acheron (134 speed needed) You will also get more stacks on ultimate.
Edit: I only got through the first part of the video, but I'm seeing now that he does use Sparkle as a support. Sparkle as I mentioned is good with slow Acheron, but he also uses Ruan Mei, which sucks with slow Acheron. Like with Robin, She gives an attack boost which is wasted on a slow Acheron, and a 10% speed boost which is also wasted. I'd say also use fast Acheron with Ruan mei so you don't waste any damage. (You only need 120 speed for fast Acheron if you're using her with Ruan Mei)
I forgot wave 1 summoned goldfish cause I used e0 gurlfriend to set their corspes ablaze before they came out.
When I see my guy comparing a hyper focus single target dmg vs an almost erudition unit on an almost single target unit, I already know he was trolling 😂😂😂😂
When I see people finding excuses to even justify an e6s5 vs e2s1 comparison:
Cope
yet somehow feixiao could only make it with robin on her own playground
@@ywami let's take out jiaoquo
@@CoconutOrNot_ then take out Topaz also since Acheron has no synergistic support left
Honestly i don't even care. I'm just excited to see if i can 0 cycle with a Topaz, Feixiao, Sunday and Sparkle setup since i don't have Robin yet. Wish me luck guys, planning to go for Sunday's e1 for my Topaz and future Aglaea
Both are on the same level but to me is undeniable that Feixiao seems better overall. Yeah, this MoC is good because the first half has few enemies and the second half the boss have shared HP, but it still is E2 vs E6. There's no room for improvment for Acheron besides getting new characters to help her, meanwhile Feixiao still have 4 more eidolons, and even though she already have a dedicated team, she could still benefit from future, more even stronger characters imo
Feixiao has no more room to grow lol, she has perfect team, it can not get better. While Acheron has only JQ.. Maybe after summon meta devs will decide to go back to dot teams and bring a signature harmony and sustain for Acheron
This test was kinda fun I just wish he would use the full version of the team then to give an excuse for why a character did worse
Acheron already has a dedicated support in the form of Jiaqiu, he applies debuffs, increases damage taken and ult damage dealt essentially buffs the team through debuffs, that's basically all Acheron needs, not to mention he is Nihility too, not a Harmony unit so he fills into any team before her E2. That's the best Acheron is going to be for quite some time, while Feixiao wasn't even E6S5 like Acheron was and they "basically went head to head". On the same note Feixiao is just one of the many FUA dps, while Acheron is fills a niche role, FUA will always get better supports, better sub DPS units, better relics etc... Feixiao will get buffs through better FUA teams or stronger FUA relics, MoC, PF or AS with FuA focused content and lightcones...
This is a double edged sword. It’s more likely that feixiao will be put to the side like Ratio in favor for the new DPS, whereas it will take a longer time for us to get an “Acheron 2” to replace her spot on the debuff team.
@pally3370 It took 3 patches for Acheron to start falling behind. Feixiao might be powercrept by new units but we are comparing Acheron and Feixiao not Achero and Acheron 2.0 or Feixiao and a new DPS. We are talking about how well they will age and how will they perform in upcoming content and you could already see Acherons falling behind because her niche is hard to fill in and she is likely not getting any buffs any time soon unlike the whole follow up teams who will immediately get a buff once they get an other FuA sub DPS like Moze or Topaz, an other harmony unit to weaken Robin, etc... Not to mention endgame content where FuA has it's on place with their unique buffs and FuA related content. Let's mention Lighcones. How many new lightcone do you think will release that could be Acheron's new BiS? And how much will be released for Feixiao? FuA hunt units isn't exactly rare, thus they have plenty new relics and lightcones, she will be powercrept by new units surely but she'll get buffed by new content aimed for Hunt and FuA units.
well truth is if they keep increasing defense and health of enemy any and all dps are going to face same problem in future they will fell short no matter if its 0 cycle or not
Nah. Feixiao will still be meta because her ceiling is much higher than Acheron's.
@@kingsimba9513 its just depend on mobs acheron hit hard with many mobs while feixiao good at mini boss 2-1 target..
@@kingsimba9513 That’s weird to say considering that Feixiao already has her best team out in the game alongside all the buffs in the game that favour her, meaning she has already reached her highest potential, while Acheron only has JQ as a dedicated support and the rest of the team is just whatever you can slap together. I think Acheron is the one that still hasn’t reached her full potential, actually.
@@ALL_FOR_NOTHING_Feixiao can easily 40k PF, the AOE mode. If Acheron's only good in 3+ target scenarios, then she's a glorified useless Erudition unit.
@@cielsteamUnfortunately, last I checked, HSR's terms and conditions didn't have an "Acheron must receive the perfect limited 5* team" clause. We know Hoyo's willing to abandon entire characters (DHIL, JL), so what makes you think Acheron is safe?
my E0S1 Acheron 0 cycles this. Why is his E6S5 struggling. Like this is not real how awful are his builds even 💀
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Blud is comparing his clear when he’s running sustainless 💀 aight bro
@@poin8456 by your logic E0S1 sustainless is more cost heavy than E6S5 with sustain. You’re funny
@ comment section literacy challenge: impossible
Literally nobody is bring up cost here
Also, yeah dog, running a 4 man team even with E0S1 is usually better than running a full on E6S5 carry with a 3 man team, espcially when you are actively trying to 0 cycle.
That’s how the game functions my guy
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genuine question, why Bailu as sustain? is there like new tech someone discovered on her or something? or just meme-ing?
A bit of a meme, but she's also a "Pure Sustain" with no additional benefits for damage. Luocha would've worked too, but Bailu is just funnier to see.
@Mr.Heller she does have a damage buff on her eidolons, Luocha would be the only "neutral" sustain
I like to see Gallagher instead in this case.
@@LucasGomes-ng2goLuocha also buffs on sustain. With eidolons of course.
"Good, good, good, good, good" triggered my Google assistant 😂😂
bro changing wives as gloves
e2s1 acheron with e2s0 sparkle e1s0 fuxuan and e0s1 jiaoqui 0 cycle both side moc 12 first try
А теперь хорошенько подумайте о количестве вложений в такую команду,когда вместо этого можно было собрать аж 2 новых команды 😂
Its not archeron, feixio nor bailu showcase guys. Its a svarog showcase 😅
hidden Bailu shill so everyone wastes their tix on her on 2.7 instead of Bronya or Himeko, great job Pokke!
so acheron did it with all supports tested and feixiao needed robin
Pokke changes his wives like gloves
Smh so that means e6 acheron is worse than my e2 firefly? how disappointing fr fr
Firefly Xd
If Fraudfly was e6, Acheron e6 still clears
Firefly is worse than Rappa even lul
So we aint gonna talk about the s5-s1 discrepancy 🤔🤔
Shhh we gotta have the TH-cam comment debates while ignoring all that
Aglaea is gonna powercreep Acheron so hard lmao
Herta is, algaea and Acheron are completely different types of characters
@@zheneruyou're right, two are going to be meta whereas one is shit.
You act like she won't powercreep Feixiao and FF
blud is clueless
😬 aglaea might unironically be powercrept in 2 patches. Castorice tho...
so sparkle better than robin for acheron i see
the only reason robin side struggled was that pokke was doing so much damage that he couldnt get extra stacks for second wave. Overkilling screwed him over but its not robin's fault that she buffs damage more than sparkle and that the lower damage sparkle offered was actually useful in this whale showcase.
@@Wawawawawa750 1.216 million damage with Robin on Svarog + Elite (ult active) and 1.338 million with Sparkle at the end, although Svarog was broken, so it's almost equal in damage. I guess Robin probably has the advantage for her full team advance though. Damage wise it wasn't really all that different, if you can push your Sparkle relics to have an insane amount of speed and run ATK% boots and full crit rolls on Acheron for hyperspeed setup, it becomes super super close for Sparkle VS Robin, so yeah, it's a close match
Sparkle is bis for mono quantum ( future modern quantum dps ), sp hungry modern dps and acheron. No debates whatsoever. Robin is Bis for fua and Sunday is bis for summoners. The end.
@@dimitristakis6396 Yeah exactly. I'm legitimately curious who the monoquantum DPS that powercreeps QQ will be, though. Like, whether it's Cipher, Castorice, or if it has to wait for emanator Masked Sampo even later down the line.
What I think would be neat is if Castorice's memosprite is the DPS while she's a healer, so that you can run Castorice + Sparkle + Tribbie + Silver Wolf without the need for Fu Xuan / Lynx. DPS + healer in one just like Lingsha, basically
@@BenBeckmane Castorice in 3.2 is leaked by Seele leaks to be a Quantum Rememberance. So, maybe Sparkle can see more use but I reckon that a majority of her damage might be locked behind her summon, making Sunday the better option.
I really feel for Sparkle, she was much more interesting character and they just had to powercreep the heck outta her by chicken-wing boy
2.0 unit vs a 3.0 unit is crazy work 💀
Honestly Pokke could have just went full on WAR and removed the stupid "nerfing" since Fei e2 can easily keep up with e6 Ache.
Don’t care, I’ll always love my wife Acheron forever
Crazy how Fei Xiao is still almost getting a 0 cycle when you take away Robin, while Acheron gets shot and left in a ditch if JQ gets pulled out.
Wouldn't taking away JQ be the sameas taking away topaz not robin?
Bro Fei already has her perfekt Team Acheron only has Jiao for now
@ nah, JQ is the ‘essential’ support in an Acheron comp, similar to how Robin is the ‘essential’ support in a Fei Xiao comp
@@maxsw3llzeaNo. You have to look at it in terms of which unit provides the most to their respective comps. For Feixiao it's Robin, and for Acheron it's JQ.
@poin8456 ahhh so Fei dosent need aven or topaz to be at the top i got u man, Acheron only has 1 Fei already has the perfekt Team so lets wait for Like a Tank for Acheron
E2 Acheron, E2 Sparkle, E1S1 Jiaoqiu 0 cycle both sides easy. No DDD. Fu Xuan sustain.
E1S1 Feixiao, E2S1 Robin, E6 Moze E0S1 Aventurine 0 cycle side 1 easy, but side 2 is just slow and problematic.
E6 Acheron unnecessary. If I had E2 Feixiao and E1S1 Topaz then 0 cycle on side 2 may be possible, but 5 million damage single focus is just slower than AoE against 5 targets with shared HP, even with chaining Robin ults without the E2 and power and fire weakness from E1S1 Topaz, so I'd have liked to see that comparison.
Acheron just ate the bananacademic staff's lunch in her sleep. 2.2M ult nearly one shot the full phase 2 HP bar, one E0S1 Fu Xuan ult finished it and Sparkle had a turn left.
Take this as you will, just more data for the pile. I love them both and have true 0-cycled the last 3 MoC with them.
Bonus, got 1 cycle side 1 with sustainless DoT using E1S1 Ruan Mei and Jiaoqiu respectively (Black Swan too, E0S1 Kafka). 3 cycles with no Jiaoqiu and Huo Huo. Feelsgoodman.
Is your e2 Acheron on speed boots?
Just skill issue, I've seen low cost fei 0 cycling phase 2.
th-cam.com/video/6YrxDJ71z6k/w-d-xo.html found the vid, it's sustainless but can be done even with sustain with your eidolons
@@gem_ola6642 nope ATK, I use her with Sparkle, not even very fast just like 140 with 4pc hackerspace.
@@alex_9236 @alex_9236 that's a great clear, but I don't have any sustainless tank builds for support like Robin, or even one full 4pc wind set on my acct. my Bronya is E0 and skill points were a major issue when using her. I was just talking about with fairly casual builds and regular relic sets. My Feixiao is 137 speed, doesn't even hit 160 with E2 Robin. I didn't say it couldn't be done, just my experience. if no wind set or heavy speed farming is skill issue than ok, but I don't have that kinda time lol
i deadass thought this was a video that I just hadnt watched yet until I saw 11 likes 4 minutes ago
Fei was massively nerfed by MrPokke's horrendous speedtuning, lol. Not to mention, Fei, especially E2 Fei, with an optimized rotation is stronger with wind set since it can net her 2 extra turns if you actually know what you are doing.
So are you a HSR expert? Better even than no.1 CC?
Where are your guides, showcases etc?
How many views and subscribers do you have?
Oh, you're just flexing at us. 😏
@@DobinSergeidon't worry, this guy here has a master's degree in playing HSR, he graduated with latin honors too
@@DobinSergei Parasocial brainrot is sad to see. Womp womp. RIP.
Being a CC has absolutely nothing to do with being great at min-maxing in a game. Rather, Pokke being so busy being a full time entertainer means he likely doesn't even have the time to learn the optimal rotations for every character of every rotation of every dupe and the like, or farm all the relics needed for it all either.
Mask off, I'm sure Pokke would have no qualms admitting that either, as there is nothing wrong with that being so.
It doesn't change that what I said is factually true though, lol. Maybe if you cry about it enough, reality will stop being so. Or you can just get over your pretend friend not being infallible in a phone game, lol...
@@cincan804Gluck Gluck Gluck Gluck
@@valkyrieregalia wow, so many yapping appeared here 😏
Is this how you excuse yourself?
The fact is - you flexing, now offending people. May proceed disgrace yourself more.
You poor even clueless the matter is in you, not us.
Why no one did 0 cycle dot team
Investment-wise, you are clearly saying one is better than the other.
giga missplays on the feixiao sparkle team beyond just incorrect speed tuning lmao
Feel bad for the Midcheron pullers
perhaps e2 s1 Feixiao isn't stronger than e6 s5 Acheron, but... the difference between them is a bit too close considering the 8 cost gap
the take away is
pull for the obviously broken E2s if u wanna hyper invest. E6 ain't ever worth it
jq not having a lc was painful to watch
I'm fairly certain aventurine would change fk all lol.
At most ur getting 2 FuA from em (if that even) and 1 ult and while that's a solid dmg boost it ain't allat without robin.
And if u run robin that's just FART and at that point it's a 2 v 4 And even e6 acheron suddenly becomes the underdog just like everyone else that isn't FF (or rappa once Fugue comes out).
Probably gallagher would've been more reasonable. bailu unironically did absolutely FK ALL to acheron while atleast giving fei sum stacks for just attacking which isn't certainly nothing. A gallagher would have been more consistent since he benefits both units pretty much equally and unlike aventurine there no RnG at all with em.
I expected atleast one run with each unit's BIS against 2nd half for memes but maybe that's TOO acheron favoured as 3 out of the 4 memebers on her team including herself can control TVs easily where as Feixiao would need a galla or linghsa otherwise it's a bit scuffed.
If this shows anything it's that feixiao needs robin way more...no surprises there.
ok now compare them on side 2
I just cant with all the people taking this showcase seriously in some replies 😭
My boy you really don't know how to use Acheron properly
Cope
tbh with you, with feifei single target damage gyatt damn
Why u give acheron lightning damage boost she don't need it she need attack per
truly a midcherover moment
The Feixiao build is significantly worse than his Acheron as well, I have a similar build to Pokke but with 30% more cdmg on Feixiao with same cr
Acheron still missing 2 powerful support (only JQ)and yet FEIXIAO already got all powerful limited 5" support =FART😂
I expect in 3.0+ we got new sustain summoner with debuff kit _-not dot sustain-_
Feixiao's Fua team's support only Robin tho.
Feixiao best hypercarry teams are Robin, Jiaqiu and Sparkle (next will be Sunday)
What’s with these guys. She already has her full team, excluding a sustain at best.
@flatdefgod2960 tbh her best 0 cycle team Is Robin bronya March especially for e2 fei,Can we stop the cap that acheron doesn't have a full team?like FR you have aven that can use trend and his ult for proc stacks or even his LC plus his ult for free stacks on acheron,you have jiaoqui that literally gives her ult on every time She has her turn plus she can literally scam bronya/Sparkle/Robin/ruan mei on their achetype at e2 so her team Is done.Not to mention if they create another nihility it has to be Better than jiaoqui and It would also make her e2 useless,while in fei case even at e0 if they release an upgrade of topaz or any other follow up Attack sub Dps/buffer or even support not only her e0 will be stronger but also her e2 would be even more broken.The fact that acheron e6 needs jiaoqui to compete against fei with no Robin says a lot,she's baal 2.0 people over invested on her thinking that she was op cause on release she was shilled asf and now they have to cope about It.
Unfortunately, last I checked, HSR's terms and conditions didn't have an "Acheron must receive the perfect limited 5* team" clause. We know Hoyo's willing to abandon entire characters (DHIL, JL), so what makes you think Acheron is safe?
@@kingsimba9513 cause she requires Nihility. If you want abandon Acheron you have to demolish Nihility characters which is quite different than leaving alone a few characters
FEIXIAO'S AN UNC
robin also buffs topaz's damage so it's clear
If only noticing damage numbers, Acheron looks better.
But there is overall dps. From all these FuA from Feixiao and Topaz, which triggering Robin's additional damage. They damaging more often and not so obvious. So in total it could be even more.
I skipped an add and got another wth ?
Like consecutively
As long as Acheron can deal AOE dmg, there is no comparison.
New characters are always better than the old ones.
No, it's just new content is rigged towards new characters.
Im here hoping for every single new meta dps downfall. Midcheron finally fell off and now im waiting for Feifraud to fall off.
Lol, every dps will fall off, in a year Feixiao and Acheron probably will stay in 1.5 Tier :D
Im here hoping for they revive old ones like Seele.
So all who always yapping about downfall would be cooked.
Professional hater 🗿 tell me a character you don't slander
E6 acheron had another full rotation and can do the same in aoe.
Nah. If that's a debuffer sustain instead of bailu, Acheron would do better.
Hair E6
FEIXIAO 101% CRIT RATE WHAT
Tbh All you had to do for prove a point Is ok we remove Robin from fei but we also have to remove jiaoqui from acheron😂Cause my wife keeping up with an acheron C6 says a lot
Well Fei has a full Team Acheron only has jiao lets wait for better Acheron Team mates
@@securez4213to remind you that fei in this case wasn't using her full e2,usually 0 cyclers on fei (even at e0s0)they use Robin bronya March and by far it's her best team for 0 cycle especially at low cost so even while having topaz and aven they barely are played on fei 0 cycles teams especially with relatable stats,In fact if you see acheron 0 cycles they either have jiaoqui or if they don't you see him the other 3 supports have unrealistic stats while she also has unrealistic ones,fei since release managed to 0 cycle even without robin Just to keep in mind.Acheron has no escuse for not having a full team when she has jiaoqui that does 90% of her stacks then aven with lc or trend depends if you use or have jiaoqui and 4th slot can be whatever,we are talking about an e6 acheron meaning she's fully utilizing her e2,not to mention that if they release a new nihility it has to be Better than jiaoqui at everything he does,not only that e2 would be completely useless cause you would use an harmony regardless for better dmg,While in fei case if they release more follow up supports She Will also benefit at e0 and even more at e2.
Acheron without jiao still do shit same with Fei without Robin. Id argue Fei loses more dps because Robin ult does dmg for the whole team especially with follow up but it doesn't means she's worse than Acheron
@source324 i dont think she is worse, but what pokke Just Shows us is Troll cause even my Acheron 0 cycle this Shit
@@securez4213 yeah same here even tho it's e2s1 just like fei still 0 cycle 2-3 tries with a sustain Gallagher
Wouldn’t it make more sense to fight an enemy that is not weak to lightning/wind considering E6 acheron is more Res Pen so fighting that is already weak to lightning lowers the value of that? And also considering that both are generally good even against non-element weak enemies
It's pretty simple, you take any scenario where it's not a 1-2 enemies, wind weak boss, and E6 Acheron wins easily. Different element? Acheron wins. AOE? Acheron wins. Can't use Robin? Acheron wins.
Feixiao is a lot _less_ situational than the old FUA comps and can buldoze a lot of content, but she's a lot more situational than people want to admit. Before Feixiao came out, barely any wind weaknesses. Feixiao came out, and whoops! Suddenly one side has Kafka, Hoolay, Svarog, then Svarog again... 4 in a row, how odd! Considering that the _last_ wind weakness before that was 5 entire MOCs before!
So we're gonna add more advantage to someone who already has 8 cost advantages to make them look good, got it.
@@xMomoeelike the point of E6 Acheron is that she does not care about enemy weaknesses
i 0 cycled Svarog with e2 Acheron with no planning or thought 💀I think Pokke is just bad at the game but I do concur Feixiao is busted
and I used Robin, not Sparkle
Best harmony for acheron E2 is Sparkle with 160 SPD, DDD eagle and vonq not Robin
Now it is gonna be Sunday
Bronya is actually better.
@@DobinSergei what?
Sunday > Robin > Sparcle > Bronya for Acheron
@@skrypnykk.770 Bronya > Sparkle.
Acheron e2 benefits more from action advance and CD, than from additional SP.
Even Bronya > Sunday, as additional energy simply doesn't work. And most of his buffs going to summons.
@@DobinSergeidid you even read his fucking kit? Or are you just regurgitating random shit
hunt units are just built different
Bro really compared E6 Acheron and E2 Feixiao to a Svarog,like we know who is gonna win 💀
So it was a Svarog showcase? 🤔
What a twist!
if they didnt nerf jiaoqiu and remove his heal then it will be another situation
Why heal when Acheron hits 2mil on aoe bosses?
@@QueenMarika1101 he never had a heal to begin with
It was information without proof, leakers were talking out their asses.
Feixiao ult 750k dmg
Acheron ult 1350k dmg
🤔
I could agree they are the same.
Fei e2
Acheron e6
Fei s1
Acheron s5
Discrepancy much?
...and feixiao's main damage source isnt from her ult alone
Its Acherover
Feixaio may be meta but Acheron is gonna carry me till 4.0 and that wont change despite the powercreep lmao
Acheron already falling of buddy
@@CoconutOrNot_ lol shes not at e6, maybe your e0 is
@@ravz4460 💀 crazy how e6s5 doesn't even do that good compare to e2s1 fei
@@CoconutOrNot_ whatever helps you sleep at night buddy 😀
I know everyone keeps saying Acheron doesn't have her full team yet, so just wait, and she will be great again. That honestly sounds like a massive amount of cope. What more does she need that she doesn't already have access to. She already has team setup that allowed her to hit with 100% def shred. Adventurine and Lingsha work really well as the sustain for her. She has Jq, and in the second slot, u can run Robin, Sparkle, or Silver Wolf. She is a hypercarry unit who loves hypercarry support. Silver wolf may be a single target, but she still provides 56% def shred and applies debuffs with every action. I know people keep saying aoe SW, but literally what is the point when she already over kills ads. If i remember right, 45% of Acheron's dmg is in overkill. Why is increasing that number going to save her. Even in double elite scenarios, it's not going to make a massive difference over a single target SW. Just rip the band aid off, Acheron fell off. This will happen to all dps including Feixiao and FF. Before u say Rappa power crept FF. That has yet to be seen. Rappa has strong potential, but in aoe content. With small groups of enemies like the normal two elite scenarios we get in MoC. Rappa struggles to maintain her stacks, which she needs to maintain her dmg output. Now rumor is that with summons that they are all going to be aoe and we will have a shift to an aoe meta. If that happens, then yes, Rappa will fly to the top. Right now, this is all just rumors until official releases
Idk if Acheron is better than Feixiao but theres only one thing i know, Wuwa is the best gacha game atm, towering hoyoshills gaem quality. Hoyo especislly HSr are only in top revenue because of their predatory practices and their audience are so easy to manipulate and rip-off their money 😇
Bro mr pokke I tried Robin and both times I lost sry
Gosh stop using Robin on comparisons. It just don't work for that purpose, the numbers get messy
Bailu is star in this video
Bailu my GOAT
Feixio seems stronger in this MOC and also has full 5 star team catered to her while Acheron does not.
"Feixiao seems stronger in this MOC" insane because the enemy line-ups are Acheron favoured (both lightning weak and no chunky ST boss like Argenti, Aventurine, or Hoolay). I mean, this MOC was on her banner after all lol.
The problem with Acheron is she can't make use of other powerful harmony support.
@@kingsimba9513 I don't think its insane, enemies are also only two enemies with also wind weakness. If you run the best teams for the DPSs I do believe Feixiao will do better. It can also be harder to determine with this showcase due to eidolon discrepancy between DPS. The real interesting showcase will be next week with Sunday, Robin and Jingyuan.
@@kokoro212 Yeah, but we don't know if what far future Acheron will get another support or a healer that applies depuffs consistently.
@@eherden2169 Nihility with a debuff like " if enemies with this debuff being attacked, the attacker will restore their HP with x% amount of the dmg dealt"
seems good enough tho.
Alongside other dmg increase debuff effect.
How is RM better then sparkle in Hypercarry teams😅
Sparkle did better For Acheron that RM and Robin
@claudiowiseman8488 I'm talking about feixiao
@@suzain_769 nah i get you but im saying that she did better for acheron so is not in every hypercarry team
@@suzain_769res penetration is just that broken (and fei not being a hyper carry also matters) plus fei should have 300% crit damage (with the debuffs from topaz) without sparkle buff another 80 or 100 doesn't do that much compared to 25% res pen.
HAIL Bailu
Dot cheron is far better,screw jq
IDK better or not, but underrated for sure!
From what we can see here, don't invest too much into dps if you're not spending any money into the game or you'll get disappointed af 😂
Cope, ofc Robin helps more FUA than ultimate/debuffs driven teams..
that feixiao build isn’t even that good compared to acherons☠️
wtf is this? this is Baliu show case i got lied too
E6S5 Acheron = E2S1 Feixiao because 0C is overrated-
:REALLYCAUGHT:
I agree that Feixiao is better but why are you only using MoC as test grounds when Acheron's best modes are AS > PF > MoC while Feixiao's best modes are MoC > AS > PF
it's like doing a PF test run with Boothill and Rappa to decide who is better
Each one has a counter. For Feixiao, there are bosses that force you to deal with minions before you can deal damage to them, you'll wish you had E0 Acheron then.