I just shot my first wedding with the 6K PRO and it was amazing! Granted I had it fully rigged up with a shoulder rig, follow focus, V-mount batteries and an external screen. The whole rig was pretty heavy so I brought along an EZRIG and pretty much stayed on that for 12 hours with the exception of a few tripod shots. I really dislike gimbals and monopods so for me shooting this way gave a more natural documentary style and feel to the footage. The ND Filters are a game changer. It is really hard for me to go back to Sony and Canon cameras that don't have that feature. As for AutoFocus it looks terrible when your camera is hunting for the subject. Manual Focus all day.
Because of the general size and shape of the BMPCCs, hybrid shooters tend to expect that Blackmagic wants to compete with stills cameras, except the company has a strong bias towards “production” and live-switched video environments, which means they tend to design with a different hybrid concept in mind. If you need to navigate a crowded dance floor either handheld or on a small gimbal, other cameras will offer a more compact form factor, no doubt about it. However, if you plan to livestream the wedding ceremony (or even live-switch record a service and upload later) the Pocket Cinema Cameras run circles around stills bodies. Put an ATEM Mini Pro (especially the new Extreme ISO) into the mix, and all of a sudden you have integrated remote camera control and color management. With the ISO you can have an instant Resolve timeline to adjust your cuts and do rapid color correction and have a refined version of the stream/recording online in no time. Go to the next level and attach SSD drives to those cameras, and you can instantly substitute 6k BRAW for the compressed HD which came off the switcher, and end up with a near instant 4k archive of the ceremony. And now, with the bidirectional micro converters they have come out with recently, you can incorporate SDI length cable runs into what is otherwise a less expensive HDMI workflow, and run all of it on batteries if needed. Oh and let’s not forget that the latest ATEM Mini Pro firmware incorporates cellphone tethering, which means your chances of pulling off a stream in a venue with sketchy internet, go way up. Those switchers are also very data efficient, you don’t need conference center grade Ethernet to get a basic stream running. And let’s face it, the world is not going back to the old normal. Even with vaccines, a fair number of people will remain reluctant to travel, and brides will still want to reach those friends and relatives on the special day. BMPCCs make that workflow so much easier and quicker.
Yep. I own 4 BMPCCs and 3 ATEMs! Love em (and use Em at weddings). That being said, for many wedding filmmakers the lack of AF and IBIS and the fact that they don’t care about live streaming are a deal breaker. I just live BRAW but the A7S3 is no slouch. - Jay
@@WeddingFilmSchool I understand that the needs vary, but the vast majority of comparisons focus on what’s missing compared to stills cameras, without taking the time to unpack the many aspects of the BMPCCs which stills cameras can’t touch. In that way reviewers miss opportunities to expand operator’s options.
@@waveland I’d say if you look at our channel you would see that is NOT how we treat the BMD cameras. We talk endlessly about how incredible it is on our show. We will also def be reviewing the new Pro. I do believe that for most wedding filmmakers it simply doesn’t work within their workflow though. Many wedding filmmakers shoot exclusively on a gimbal, for instance. Many really rely on AF or have a handheld style that requires IBIS. Many just don’t own EF glass and don’t want to switch. That fact is this is not a new camera in most respects (although it’s a nice upgrade) so I’d you weren’t sold on the workflow with the BMPCC6K you won’t be sold on a camera just because it has a flip screen. Me personally... They had me at BRAW. - Jay
The lack of IBIS or AF can usually be worked around, but not having both takes it out of the running for most run-and-gun scenarios. Otherwise, looks like a great option.
We think it’s still incredible! Just not as much of a one-size-fits-all crowd pleaser as the A7S3. That being said I think it’s the most beautiful image under 8k. It’s gorgeous! - Jay
@alantutt a classic statement from someone that doesn't actually know how to operate a camera properly. And I just looked at your work...confirmation that I am right! BM cameras are perfect for any situation if you know how to use them.
@@stevendukedesigns First, I'll agree that BM cameras have a lot of great features and work wonderfully in the situations for which they are designed, which is mostly narrative film work. Secondly, I may not be at the top of the food chain, but I'm far from an amateur. Whatever you saw didn't include all the videos I've produced for private clients who wouldn't want me to post their projects on my channel. On that note, your channel has no public videos at all, so where's the proof that you know how to operate a camera? Anyway, my original point was that when shooting a live event, and working to create something better than the old-school "set it on a tripod with everything in focus", modern standards are such that the final footage needs to be both relatively smooth and have the primary subject in focus with a soft-focus background. Personally, I find shoulder rigs too bulky for too little improvement in stabilization. That leaves glidecams and gimbles. Handholding with IBIS allows for focus control, but the minute you try to focus the camera while on a glidecam or gimble, you've also eliminated most of the stabilization effect. This is why I said that the lack of IBIS or AF can be worked around, but having neither doesn't really work in these types of situations, unless you want to hire someone to run a follow-focus control remotely. But weddings aren't a Hollywood production, and most of my clients want the photography/videography to be more-or-less invisible.
@@alantuttphotography Totally agree. Different tool for different job. No need to dismiss a Tesla driver's driving skill just because he or she doesn't want to drive an F1 to work.
IBIS is amazing to have as a wedding videographer, but unfortunately for some people's shooting styles it just isn't a thing in cinema cameras (with a couple exceptions, one of them being the new Sony FX3)
Yep. As a filmmaker myself I have never shot with IBiS so the image quality on the BMPCC6K sold me, but now having owned a few bodies with IBIS I def see the appeal! It’s great! - Jay
Dual IS and a more or less reliable AF is a must for a wedding A-Cam imho. Especially as a solo shooter. I cant see myself using anything but the GH5 (low budget) or the A7S3 (medium budget)
It's a must for certain types of shooters for sure. Not everyone, but if you go without those things there are probably workarounds you need to do here and there
i waited for the EOS R5 (having all the canon eco-system already from the photographer world) to start doing film work, because i wanted ibis and great autofocus. what can i tell you, after working for some month with it, i tend to disable image stabilization (can lead to unnatural movements and feel wobbly) for 95% of the time, and mostly use manual focus now because of the greater control. but there are situations where i would miss both features on the 6k pro. nevertheless i am very tempted to get one as an A cam, and put the canon mainly on gimbal and/or telephoto lenses as a B cam.
Um... duh. Although I’d argue that if the video didn’t deliver the goods it would be one thing. This is our honest opinion on the product. If you have a different one feel free to express it but getting people to click on a thumbnail is only half the battle if they don’t like the content when they do. We think it’s pretty solid! - Jay
There must be more to being creative than simply wanting everything in a camera just because camera B has it. I really think there is time / room for a cup half full YT channel now instead of always doom. Hmmmm
I mean... have u ever listened to us gush about the BMD cameras on almost a weekly basis on our weekly podcast? Almost perfect would be like, an 89%, and the is a glass more than 39% full. You don’t have to agree with the take but I think saying a camera that literally won’t work for a creative that demands those features and that an A7S3 is a better fit for them is “doom”. It’s just true. I, for one, shoot Blackmagic, btw. Love it. Thanks for commenting and participating in our community btw! - Jay
I mean I don't know what type of event you're needing but that sounds like sports and that's gonna need some autofocus or a hell of a good focus puller
@@WeddingFilmSchool No you can't adapt a lens designed to work in a system that has a smaller flange distance that the one you want to adapt to. EF to E exists but E to EF can't.
You talking about post production software? That's a completely different category imo. That would be like saying gimbal stabilization is way better than ibis......I mean yah it is but it gives a completely different look, so not really a great comparison in my opinion. Unless I'm misunderstanding? Software can definitely be a help in stabilizing but it doesn't replace ibis, rather works together with it
@@WeddingFilmSchool sony catalyst requires you to disable the camera ibis and lens stabilisation to work. maybe they can make a version that deosn't require that. just my thinking is.........you're shooting braw anyway, likely editing in davinci, so it makes sense to add a hardware module. the results from gyro are far better......and DO require a hardware sensor. If we can have both great (ibis and gyro). but I would prefer a gyro sensor (also they could add one to the existing cameras as a little add on box like stead xp+). in order what I want 1) raw video (we have) 2) dual gain output sensor (like c70). 3) autofocus (phase detect or lidar module) 4) gyro sensor 5) ibis
I would agree that wedding filmmaking is not the primary market for any of the blackmagic cameras BUT when you can overcome some of it's downfalls (specific to this market) it can be an amazing camera. Will they ever make something geared towards us? Maybe, maybe not, but they are getting closer and closer to what would be an amazing wedding camera! - Bobby
Anything else you guys feel is missing from the new BMPCC6k Pro?
I haven’t used autofocus in about 3 years. Use an IS lens and this camera really shines.
Yea. I love it!- Jay
@@bradleyc6564 exactly, or the sigma everyone has
@@RainBowBaLLerHD what sigma lens? I see mostly an 85mm canon with IS
@@TayloredImpression The 16-35 1.8
@@RainBowBaLLerHD 18-35 1.8 Sigma does not have IS.
I just shot my first wedding with the 6K PRO and it was amazing! Granted I had it fully rigged up with a shoulder rig, follow focus, V-mount batteries and an external screen. The whole rig was pretty heavy so I brought along an EZRIG and pretty much stayed on that for 12 hours with the exception of a few tripod shots. I really dislike gimbals and monopods so for me shooting this way gave a more natural documentary style and feel to the footage. The ND Filters are a game changer. It is really hard for me to go back to Sony and Canon cameras that don't have that feature. As for AutoFocus it looks terrible when your camera is hunting for the subject. Manual Focus all day.
Because of the general size and shape of the BMPCCs, hybrid shooters tend to expect that Blackmagic wants to compete with stills cameras, except the company has a strong bias towards “production” and live-switched video environments, which means they tend to design with a different hybrid concept in mind. If you need to navigate a crowded dance floor either handheld or on a small gimbal, other cameras will offer a more compact form factor, no doubt about it. However, if you plan to livestream the wedding ceremony (or even live-switch record a service and upload later) the Pocket Cinema Cameras run circles around stills bodies. Put an ATEM Mini Pro (especially the new Extreme ISO) into the mix, and all of a sudden you have integrated remote camera control and color management. With the ISO you can have an instant Resolve timeline to adjust your cuts and do rapid color correction and have a refined version of the stream/recording online in no time. Go to the next level and attach SSD drives to those cameras, and you can instantly substitute 6k BRAW for the compressed HD which came off the switcher, and end up with a near instant 4k archive of the ceremony. And now, with the bidirectional micro converters they have come out with recently, you can incorporate SDI length cable runs into what is otherwise a less expensive HDMI workflow, and run all of it on batteries if needed. Oh and let’s not forget that the latest ATEM Mini Pro firmware incorporates cellphone tethering, which means your chances of pulling off a stream in a venue with sketchy internet, go way up. Those switchers are also very data efficient, you don’t need conference center grade Ethernet to get a basic stream running. And let’s face it, the world is not going back to the old normal. Even with vaccines, a fair number of people will remain reluctant to travel, and brides will still want to reach those friends and relatives on the special day. BMPCCs make that workflow so much easier and quicker.
Yep. I own 4 BMPCCs and 3 ATEMs! Love em (and use Em at weddings). That being said, for many wedding filmmakers the lack of AF and IBIS and the fact that they don’t care about live streaming are a deal breaker. I just live BRAW but the A7S3 is no slouch. - Jay
@@WeddingFilmSchool I understand that the needs vary, but the vast majority of comparisons focus on what’s missing compared to stills cameras, without taking the time to unpack the many aspects of the BMPCCs which stills cameras can’t touch. In that way reviewers miss opportunities to expand operator’s options.
@@waveland I’d say if you look at our channel you would see that is NOT how we treat the BMD cameras. We talk endlessly about how incredible it is on our show. We will also def be reviewing the new Pro. I do believe that for most wedding filmmakers it simply doesn’t work within their workflow though. Many wedding filmmakers shoot exclusively on a gimbal, for instance. Many really rely on AF or have a handheld style that requires IBIS. Many just don’t own EF glass and don’t want to switch. That fact is this is not a new camera in most respects (although it’s a nice upgrade) so I’d you weren’t sold on the workflow with the BMPCC6K you won’t be sold on a camera just because it has a flip screen. Me personally... They had me at BRAW. - Jay
The lack of IBIS or AF can usually be worked around, but not having both takes it out of the running for most run-and-gun scenarios. Otherwise, looks like a great option.
We think it’s still incredible! Just not as much of a one-size-fits-all crowd pleaser as the A7S3. That being said I think it’s the most beautiful image under 8k. It’s gorgeous! - Jay
@alantutt a classic statement from someone that doesn't actually know how to operate a camera properly. And I just looked at your work...confirmation that I am right! BM cameras are perfect for any situation if you know how to use them.
@@stevendukedesigns Be nice, dude. Nobody has to prove themself to each other on our channel. To each their own. - Jay
@@stevendukedesigns First, I'll agree that BM cameras have a lot of great features and work wonderfully in the situations for which they are designed, which is mostly narrative film work. Secondly, I may not be at the top of the food chain, but I'm far from an amateur. Whatever you saw didn't include all the videos I've produced for private clients who wouldn't want me to post their projects on my channel. On that note, your channel has no public videos at all, so where's the proof that you know how to operate a camera? Anyway, my original point was that when shooting a live event, and working to create something better than the old-school "set it on a tripod with everything in focus", modern standards are such that the final footage needs to be both relatively smooth and have the primary subject in focus with a soft-focus background. Personally, I find shoulder rigs too bulky for too little improvement in stabilization. That leaves glidecams and gimbles. Handholding with IBIS allows for focus control, but the minute you try to focus the camera while on a glidecam or gimble, you've also eliminated most of the stabilization effect. This is why I said that the lack of IBIS or AF can be worked around, but having neither doesn't really work in these types of situations, unless you want to hire someone to run a follow-focus control remotely. But weddings aren't a Hollywood production, and most of my clients want the photography/videography to be more-or-less invisible.
@@alantuttphotography Totally agree. Different tool for different job. No need to dismiss a Tesla driver's driving skill just because he or she doesn't want to drive an F1 to work.
IBIS is amazing to have as a wedding videographer, but unfortunately for some people's shooting styles it just isn't a thing in cinema cameras (with a couple exceptions, one of them being the new Sony FX3)
Yep. As a filmmaker myself I have never shot with IBiS so the image quality on the BMPCC6K sold me, but now having owned a few bodies with IBIS I def see the appeal! It’s great! - Jay
@@WeddingFilmSchool Definitely, once you have it its hard to go back lol
Great video! I just literally purchased a used BMPCC off eBay and can’t wait to take it for a spin once it arrives! )
Hope you enjoy it! Let us know how it goes! - Bobby
Dual IS and a more or less reliable AF is a must for a wedding A-Cam imho. Especially as a solo shooter.
I cant see myself using anything but the GH5 (low budget) or the A7S3 (medium budget)
It's a must for certain types of shooters for sure. Not everyone, but if you go without those things there are probably workarounds you need to do here and there
i waited for the EOS R5 (having all the canon eco-system already from the photographer world) to start doing film work, because i wanted ibis and great autofocus. what can i tell you, after working for some month with it, i tend to disable image stabilization (can lead to unnatural movements and feel wobbly) for 95% of the time, and mostly use manual focus now because of the greater control.
but there are situations where i would miss both features on the 6k pro. nevertheless i am very tempted to get one as an A cam, and put the canon mainly on gimbal and/or telephoto lenses as a B cam.
Would you use this camera for interviews? Thinking about using this camera for interview on a doc I want to shoot. Love the image!
Most def! It’s amazing! - Jay
“It’s almost perfect” is clickbait at this point and I think you know that already
Um... duh. Although I’d argue that if the video didn’t deliver the goods it would be one thing. This is our honest opinion on the product. If you have a different one feel free to express it but getting people to click on a thumbnail is only half the battle if they don’t like the content when they do. We think it’s pretty solid! - Jay
Totally agree. Only When you test the camera can you make a judgement. For that comment i wont subscribe.
@@Mr_Kenneth I mean... cool. But... It’s the same sensor as the 6k, which we have tried extensively.
For me sony a7s series is win-win
It’s pretty incredible!
@weddingfilmschool wow... I just seen my sons uncle singing in your video jp. I wasnt expecting that lol
No way! Where?
There must be more to being creative than simply wanting everything in a camera just because camera B has it. I really think there is time / room for a cup half full YT channel now instead of always doom. Hmmmm
I mean... have u ever listened to us gush about the BMD cameras on almost a weekly basis on our weekly podcast? Almost perfect would be like, an 89%, and the is a glass more than 39% full.
You don’t have to agree with the take but I think saying a camera that literally won’t work for a creative that demands those features and that an A7S3 is a better fit for them is “doom”. It’s just true. I, for one, shoot Blackmagic, btw. Love it. Thanks for commenting and participating in our community btw! - Jay
C70 is the perfect wedding camera.
Pretty darn good! - Jay
What do u think of using this camera to cover an event
An event like a wedding? XD - Bobby
@@WeddingFilmSchool xdxd like something have fast movement and action
I mean I don't know what type of event you're needing but that sounds like sports and that's gonna need some autofocus or a hell of a good focus puller
Does the black magic cinema camera pro use any kind of Sony lenses.
Not natively. Canon EF only. But you can use adaptors.- Jay
@@WeddingFilmSchool No you can't adapt a lens designed to work in a system that has a smaller flange distance that the one you want to adapt to. EF to E exists but E to EF can't.
gyro stabilisation is far better than ibis (sony catalyst, stead xp+), I wish that got pushed more than ibis
You talking about post production software? That's a completely different category imo. That would be like saying gimbal stabilization is way better than ibis......I mean yah it is but it gives a completely different look, so not really a great comparison in my opinion. Unless I'm misunderstanding? Software can definitely be a help in stabilizing but it doesn't replace ibis, rather works together with it
@@WeddingFilmSchool sony catalyst requires you to disable the camera ibis and lens stabilisation to work. maybe they can make a version that deosn't require that. just my thinking is.........you're shooting braw anyway, likely editing in davinci, so it makes sense to add a hardware module. the results from gyro are far better......and DO require a hardware sensor.
If we can have both great (ibis and gyro). but I would prefer a gyro sensor (also they could add one to the existing cameras as a little add on box like stead xp+).
in order what I want
1) raw video (we have)
2) dual gain output sensor (like c70).
3) autofocus (phase detect or lidar module)
4) gyro sensor
5) ibis
Too bad no one gets, that this camera is not designed for this marked!!
I would agree that wedding filmmaking is not the primary market for any of the blackmagic cameras BUT when you can overcome some of it's downfalls (specific to this market) it can be an amazing camera. Will they ever make something geared towards us? Maybe, maybe not, but they are getting closer and closer to what would be an amazing wedding camera! - Bobby
Blackmagic will never put ibis in cinema cameras.
I wouldn’t be so sure about that. 😉