That was beautiful, although my expectations were lowered tremendously by the comments, and the 'likes' vs 'dislikes' ratio, I actually enjoyed it. Thanks.
Yes. The outside wheel, being pushed outward be centrifugal force, runs on its greater radius next to its flange. Concurrently, the inside wheel rides on its smaller radius. But does that still compensate enough for the differential? You are right - if each wheel on axle bearings was practical, the railroads would already be doing it.
Thank you for taking the time to record & post this video:) I had no idea making 'trucks (train wheels) was so involved. Actually I just didn't have a clue as to how they did it but now I know:)
So that's how rolling stock wheels and axles are made! I always thought the wheels were steel castings with a separate steel tire heat shrunk on and finish machined.
@tonytiger75 It is a forged high carbon high chromium- steel which is forged and it further goes for annealing and normalised and stress releived. further it goes machining (see the chip sizes- huge machine it must be- Great to see the quality control with Inside caliper and to handle that- needs a rich experience- great video to be seen. It will be interesting to see how the springs for the railway cars are being made. thanks for posting such a good knowledgeable piece of video.
they have metal that can withstand the heat needed for another type of metal to melt, but then how the heck do they make all the stuff that's made out of this awesome heatwithstanding metal?
Yes. Only for the rail cars (wagons). Too complicted to drive each wheel independently. On one axle, going around curves causes the wheels to wear and track to wear. The wheels are turning at the same speed though each is encountering a different length of rail for the same track distance.
@tonytiger75 It's actually called a chilled wheel. A steel band where the profile of the wheel will be is included in the mold, when the iron is poured in it hits the steel and is "chilled" it's grain structure is changed and becomes much harder and tougher while the center of the wheel remains softer, then the steel band is removed with the rest of the mold. cast iron wheels were still being made up to the early 1950ies. They're not good for loads above 50 tons though,
@okzoia 2Cweed is correct. A wheel set weighs approximately 3000 pounds, depending on size of wheels. I once moved two 42" wheel sets for a Pullman heavyweight sleeping car. Called up a heavy duty wrecker service that tows semi tractors. The tow truck driver put down his outriggers and tried to lift the first wheel set with his boom but, instead of lifting the wheel set, the front end of his truck raised 3 feet off the ground. : )
theres actually 2 different sizes for cars on freight trains, 60/70 mph train wheels and 50 mph train wheels, obviously the faster wheels are smaller while the slower are bigger.
@Primal67060 It wasn't a humongous tow truck, like the kind that will tow an entire semi tractor with trailer. Another difference is that a when you're towing a vehicle you're lifting one end, not usually free lifting it into the air.
@Fu3R4 Different countries got probably different manufacturing processes, i'm pretty sure as well that the trains here in the netherlands got steel rings around de wheels as well.
@pitquote Yes modern wheels like in the video are all forged steel, but I was responding to an earlier question about how it used to be done. Back when trains were lighter, less than 50 ton axle load the wheels were all cast iron. Now you'll never see anything less than 100 ton wheels so they have to be a high strength steel to handle it.
@Polybun Sorry but you're wrong, early car wheels were cast iron with a hardened rim and later cast steel. Look up pictures of early car wheels, look at the flange side, they typically have an S shaped spoke looking pattern there to reduce stresses from casting. If you used the wrong kind of cast iron no it wouldn't last there was a particular type of iron used and certain foundries were known for producing better wheels.
@Graham987654 Well back then the wheels were all made of cast iron so no need for all those fancy machines, although cast iron can crack so it's not as good. The forging of the axles was kind of the same but all by hand. I used to work in a wheel shop, but not as big as that one.
A guy who said he used to work at Standard told me the wheels (only) go between 600-1200 lb. That's without the axle, I don't know what axles weigh. Small freight cars like a road-railer wheel would be the low end. Locomotive wheels are the high end on weight. Other cars fall in the middle depending on type. No first hand knowledge, just what I was told.
28" wheels - 650lbs +/- ea. 36" wheels - 900ilbs +/- ea. Axles - 1000lbs +/- ea bearings x 2 per axle 90lbs ea These numbers are to the best of my memory....
@markhinr I drive a truck for a living. A tractor trailer with full load is 80K lbs. Empty weight is around 35K lbs. If a truck with both wheel's was lifted by a tow truck meant for big rig's, how does it come 3 feet off the ground. Considering the engine block in a big truck weighs as much as a lincoln town car alone. Something doesn't sound right with your story. A typical car only weighs around 3,500-4,000 lbs.
@Polybun No there is no steel tire on car wheels, the steel ring as I said is part of the casting process which chills the profile of the wheel making that part of the iron very hard while the middle remains softer and more able to withstand shocks. Any piece of cold metal put into a mold is called a "chill" it's a process sometimes used in foundry work to get different effects but that metal is always removed from the finished casting.
@Gannondalf My grandfather did that job in British steel mills in fact. Imagine...same press, same bajillion tonnes of force to forge them...but a LOT more manual labour. :)
Why do people dislike this?Looks good to me.Thanks for sharing this video with us.
That was beautiful, although my expectations were lowered tremendously by the comments, and the 'likes' vs 'dislikes' ratio, I actually enjoyed it. Thanks.
My Grandfather was a Moulder for N&W Railroad from the 50's thru the late 70's.. Neat to see some of the hard work he had a hand in!!!
This mill is right down the road from me. Looks more like a scrap yard than an actual working plant.
nice to see how they train wheels make. Are you as a railway enthusiast actually never occurred.
Enjoyed the vid, very interesting. Many thanks.
Has anyone ever recognised you as a hero? I do.
yep...how what the first metal lathe made..??
The way it was recorded was less than wise (I'm trying to be nice here!) but I still learned something cool. Thanks for sharing!
Nice collections... Hats off....
Did you film the tv screen? Nice job!
9,000 TONS!!!! That is the pressure I'm under at work!!!!
Thanks for the video.
Yes. The outside wheel, being pushed outward be centrifugal force, runs on its greater radius next to its flange. Concurrently, the inside wheel rides on its smaller radius.
But does that still compensate enough for the differential?
You are right - if each wheel on axle bearings was practical, the railroads would already be doing it.
Anyone else love the irony that you have to use metal (machines) to make metal?
Thank you for taking the time to record & post this video:) I had no idea making 'trucks (train wheels) was so involved. Actually I just didn't have a clue as to how they did it but now I know:)
So that's how rolling stock wheels and axles are made! I always thought the wheels were steel castings with a separate steel tire heat shrunk on and finish machined.
Thanks. I was just sitting here last night wandering how these train wheels were made and all lol
Thank you for uploading this.
@CNRailPusher ya but how crazy would it have been... must have been an exhausting job making train wheels
damn, that is a serious torque wrench
wow thats freaking awsome
these trains have been rollin on 36"s for all this time? man these automotive wheel companies need to step they're game up
better than most tses i've seen
@tonytiger75
It is a forged high carbon high chromium- steel which is forged and it further goes for annealing and normalised and stress releived. further it goes machining (see the chip sizes- huge machine it must be- Great to see the quality control with Inside caliper and to handle that- needs a rich experience- great video to be seen. It will be interesting to see how the springs for the railway cars are being made. thanks for posting such a good knowledgeable piece of video.
regardless of the quality I still found it to be quite interesting :)
they have metal that can withstand the heat needed for another type of metal to melt, but then how the heck do they make all the stuff that's made out of this awesome heatwithstanding metal?
In Poland, they use square train wheels.. This video of the US round wheel design offers a smoother ride, but costs more to produce.
I think thats awesome. When I can bench press one of those, I think I'll be strong.
@Gannondalf I'm fairly sure that back then they were cast in iron or steel then fitted with a hardened steel ring.
I love that it's in HD !!!
Yes. Only for the rail cars (wagons). Too complicted to drive each wheel independently.
On one axle, going around curves causes the wheels to wear and track to wear. The wheels are turning at the same speed though each is encountering a different length of rail for the same track distance.
@tonytiger75 It's actually called a chilled wheel. A steel band where the profile of the wheel will be is included in the mold, when the iron is poured in it hits the steel and is "chilled" it's grain structure is changed and becomes much harder and tougher while the center of the wheel remains softer, then the steel band is removed with the rest of the mold. cast iron wheels were still being made up to the early 1950ies. They're not good for loads above 50 tons though,
Cool!
did u record this with a train wheel ?
@okzoia 2Cweed is correct. A wheel set weighs approximately 3000 pounds, depending on size of wheels. I once moved two 42" wheel sets for a Pullman heavyweight sleeping car. Called up a heavy duty wrecker service that tows semi tractors. The tow truck driver put down his outriggers and tried to lift the first wheel set with his boom but, instead of lifting the wheel set, the front end of his truck raised 3 feet off the ground. : )
theres actually 2 different sizes for cars on freight trains, 60/70 mph train wheels and 50 mph train wheels, obviously the faster wheels are smaller while the slower are bigger.
@Primal67060 It wasn't a humongous tow truck, like the kind that will tow an entire semi tractor with trailer. Another difference is that a when you're towing a vehicle you're lifting one end, not usually free lifting it into the air.
Will car rims work? Lol.
Trying to see if they work.
@vector6977 witch RR buys them csx, ns, or short line?
What was this recorded on, an 80s casio watch?
Interesting!
How did they do this before automation?
Have they ever tried wheels on their own bearings on a non-turning axle?
@Fu3R4 Different countries got probably different manufacturing processes, i'm pretty sure as well that the trains here in the netherlands got steel rings around de wheels as well.
haha i love the way this video is rerecoreded ;)
great job
does this machine make its self? think about it.
did you record this with your calculator?
@pitquote Yes modern wheels like in the video are all forged steel, but I was responding to an earlier question about how it used to be done. Back when trains were lighter, less than 50 ton axle load the wheels were all cast iron. Now you'll never see anything less than 100 ton wheels so they have to be a high strength steel to handle it.
as an employee of the railway, this interests me but i would really like to know how they did it in the late 1800's before this automation stuff
Now I finally know what it looks like when a 1950s tv is recorded by a 1998 digital camera from inside a microwave, thanks!
@Polybun Sorry but you're wrong, early car wheels were cast iron with a hardened rim and later cast steel. Look up pictures of early car wheels, look at the flange side, they typically have an S shaped spoke looking pattern there to reduce stresses from casting. If you used the wrong kind of cast iron no it wouldn't last there was a particular type of iron used and certain foundries were known for producing better wheels.
Great sound...
good info. FYI, i can hear clearly...
How much does the standard 36 inch wheel set weigh? I'm guessing at least 1,000lbs.
See that bearing pressed onto the axle @ 4:40? The company I work for makes those!
The highest quality video in TH-cam ever
Ok now every1 had their say about the quality...this is still very interesting.
what size bolts are they on the hub?
How much does a finished wheel set weigh?
9000 tons of pressure. Reminds me of the press that squashed The Terminator 1.
Not the same, but you get what I mean.
The tittle of his video should be "How it's made, Chuck Norris Dumbbells"
I loooooooove "how it's made" :D
looks like someone need a better video recorder, not to mention a better tv. but i liked it
@Graham987654 Well back then the wheels were all made of cast iron so no need for all those fancy machines, although cast iron can crack so it's not as good. The forging of the axles was kind of the same but all by hand. I used to work in a wheel shop, but not as big as that one.
wait a minute, how the heck did i get here
How much does a mounted wheel set wegh?
Ever been in the service - wisecracks on the side of a movies is standard practice. :)
A guy who said he used to work at Standard told me the wheels (only) go between 600-1200 lb. That's without the axle, I don't know what axles weigh. Small freight cars like a road-railer wheel would be the low end. Locomotive wheels are the high end on weight. Other cars fall in the middle depending on type. No first hand knowledge, just what I was told.
makes you wonder how they did it before all these automated machines
being a millwright at a plant like that would be a hot ass job.....
anyone know how much a completed wheel and axle weight? im curious
28" wheels - 650lbs +/- ea.
36" wheels - 900ilbs +/- ea.
Axles - 1000lbs +/- ea
bearings x 2 per axle 90lbs ea
These numbers are to the best of my memory....
@markhinr I drive a truck for a living. A tractor trailer with full load is 80K lbs. Empty weight is around 35K lbs. If a truck with both wheel's was lifted by a tow truck meant for big rig's, how does it come 3 feet off the ground. Considering the engine block in a big truck weighs as much as a lincoln town car alone. Something doesn't sound right with your story. A typical car only weighs around 3,500-4,000 lbs.
good job recording your tv screen
4:10 what a massive machine :O
Cool' its the way i figured they were made.
Why do people dislike it? Videos of TV screens are ALWAYS crappy and unimaginative.
I thought they just did the wheels and the axle with just a lathe, not melting things, but i can see why they heat treat it though
well done.
i think i watched this in grade school back in the 1950's
I miss this show..
@Polybun No there is no steel tire on car wheels, the steel ring as I said is part of the casting process which chills the profile of the wheel making that part of the iron very hard while the middle remains softer and more able to withstand shocks. Any piece of cold metal put into a mold is called a "chill" it's a process sometimes used in foundry work to get different effects but that metal is always removed from the finished casting.
superb share
@JordanianPride80 I actually laughed out loud. Good one!
great process
excellent
@Gannondalf My grandfather did that job in British steel mills in fact. Imagine...same press, same bajillion tonnes of force to forge them...but a LOT more manual labour. :)
this is ancient method ,now days wheel is turned after fitting it on axle so that outness in wheel is eliminated
They're disliking the quality of the video. Someone recorded a television screen and that's not the way you're supposed to do it.
@Gannondalf pretty much the same way, only with more manual methods, and using other techniques to end up with the same result.
9000 tons of pressure is a damn lot lol could crush pretty much anything it wanted to
glad the comments are here to tell me the sound is bad, i never would have noticed and im sure the uploader wouldn't have either.
The blue bearing caps made by me in Erie,PA!
I saw a whole shipment of these on the highway!
if i had a dollar for every pixel id have 50 cents
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where is the ball bearing on the axle or wheel,,,
or roll bearing,
or pin bearing
This must be a training video.
i love the fact that you used the word "irony". where'd you steel that joke from?
LOL in a few days those shiny new wheels will turn to rust brown!
i want one of these hanging on my bedroom wall