The Flying Dutchman of Lake Superior: SS Bannockburn

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  • On November 21st, 1902, the Canadian wheat carrier SS Bannockburn vanished without a trace on Lake Superior. With no clues to help explain the disappearance, the mystery haunted sailors on the Great Lakes for decades. Soon sightings of a ghost ship resembling the Bannockburn became frequent on stormy nights. She quickly became known as The Flying Dutchman of Lake Superior.
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    0:00 The SS Bannockburn
    1:44 Chapter 1: A Late Season Run
    4:41 Chapter 2: A Routine November Gale
    7:29 Chapter 3: Long Overdue
    12:05 Chapter 4: The Flying Dutchman of Lake Superior
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  • @BigOldBoats
    @BigOldBoats  ปีที่แล้ว +89

    What do you think happened to the Bannockburn?

    • @Blackfaced
      @Blackfaced ปีที่แล้ว +16

      Climate Change

    • @georgemartin1436
      @georgemartin1436 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      I'm reasonably sure it sank.
      Seriously...we appreciate the research and I love learning about the Great Lakes. Lots of wrecks to talk about, and they remain in much better condition that salt-water wrecks....if found.

    • @jamesreese4727
      @jamesreese4727 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Maybe she’s near Caribou island.

    • @UisT999
      @UisT999 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      @@Blackfaced I heard it lost everything in the stock market then fled to brazil to evade a loan shark.

    • @lexington476
      @lexington476 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Well I think we could pull out all the classic conspiracy theories, from Aliens to insurance job.

  • @cookiemurderer4866
    @cookiemurderer4866 ปีที่แล้ว +525

    One thing that's worth noting is that the Bannockburn had an identical sister ship called the "Rosemount" which is mostly forgotten. It wouldn't be very hard for a sailor to see her lights in a storm and assume that it was another ship. This may actually explain what the Huronics crew saw in the storm since I heard that the Rosemount was actually on the lake that night. The ship also had a long career and lasted until the late 1930's which would explain why sightings stopped eventually.

    • @Thatguy-of5re
      @Thatguy-of5re ปีที่แล้ว +103

      Great Lakes historian Wes Olezsewski has shown that the two ships were so different looking from anything else on the Lakes at the time, but so similar to each other, they were frequently confused for each other by ship spotters when the Bannockburn was still floating.

    • @549RR
      @549RR ปีที่แล้ว +13

      @@Thatguy-of5re for those unfamiliar, @authorwes’ channel is full of terrific GL shipping lore.

    • @marhawkman303
      @marhawkman303 ปีที่แล้ว +28

      @@Thatguy-of5re oooh, that does explain quite a lot actually yeah....

    • @horngatekeeper
      @horngatekeeper ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@549RR it says more about me than it does about this comment that when I read 'GL shipping' on a video about a ship on a great lake my mind went to a completely different subject

    • @sisterspooky
      @sisterspooky ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@horngatekeeper - I’m scared to ask what it means to you. 😆

  • @michaelimbesi2314
    @michaelimbesi2314 ปีที่แล้ว +172

    She probably sank. Bulk carriers can sink remarkably quickly once they get into trouble, because the cargo loading hatches provide an avenue for very rapid flooding of the ship. She may have been on her way down when she was sighted, but with the hull being down over the horizon, it would be very hard to tell. Once the water hit the hatch covers, it would be totally reasonable for her to completely sink in two minutes or less.
    Edit: in case anybody wants to know my source on that, I’m a naval architect. I literally design ships for a living

    • @matthewmosier8439
      @matthewmosier8439 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Well, just going off of the information here, it sounded as if the captain viewed the ship as being underway as if all was normal, and not in peril. That's strange. I would almost be willing to wager that if his sighting was recorded with coordinates, that you'd find the wreck in the same spot he thought he saw the ship. Sort of the ship version of a phantom, visible above where it went down and vanishing once he looked away from it.

    • @VirtualRussian
      @VirtualRussian ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @@matthewmosier8439 if the hull was fully or even partially obscured by the horizon then it would be quite difficult to tell if she was in trouble or not. You can also have a mirage effect occur with ships on the horizon, but that usually just makes them appear to float. Perhaps some sort of mirage also clouded his judgement. That said, I trust a seasoned captain to see through that if possible.

    • @patriciajrs46
      @patriciajrs46 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Very cool. It's sad that so many are not seaworthy. I feel sorry for any ship that sank.

    • @ink3539
      @ink3539 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      It makes me think about the Fitz, which by some accounts, sank very quickly in November on Lake Superior.

    • @patriciajrs46
      @patriciajrs46 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      What are the specs to which you subject your designs? Are they modern and updsted? I think what you do would be very interesting.

  • @TheSaneHatter
    @TheSaneHatter ปีที่แล้ว +150

    Frankly, there's no reason NOT to believe that the Bannockburn sank, as they had every single thing going against them: foul weather, a young and inexperienced crew, recent hull damage, the uncharted nature of the Superior Shoal, and the only lightbhouse they could have counted on was turned off! If they had survived, it would actually have been harder to explain!

    • @TimPerfetto
      @TimPerfetto ปีที่แล้ว +4

      I am on the Bannockbun now. It is old and smells.

    • @Tula-cs1ef
      @Tula-cs1ef ปีที่แล้ว +3

      God watches over drunk, children, and fools.

    • @rogerrendzak8055
      @rogerrendzak8055 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@Tula-cs1ef If that was true, then why do they, still die???

  • @Spencer481
    @Spencer481 ปีที่แล้ว +28

    So many of these stories start with a last season run. It's like a cop in a movie saying they're 1 week from retirement, you know things aren't going to go well then.

    • @legitbeans9078
      @legitbeans9078 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Lol. Good analogy! "Just one last run it'll be fine" the great lakes "nope"

    • @Doc_Paradox
      @Doc_Paradox 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Honestly comes down to the namesake. Last run of the season. Its always the worst weather hence the season end of operation. It was always and still to an extent is a time where profit pushers push their men to squeeze every penny they can out of the year. You end up with throwing caution to the wind and fighting storms you'd normally run from. Its no wonder you hear so many with the same story.

  • @JobberBud
    @JobberBud ปีที่แล้ว +80

    I think it's awesome that you're dedicated to not letting these fading disasters be forgotten.

    • @ink3539
      @ink3539 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Definitely, we often hear about better known ships, Lake Superior ships aren't very mentioned. I really love discovering new ships !

  • @stucook8622
    @stucook8622 ปีที่แล้ว +104

    I think she went down because of something they missed when the hull was inspected. I also wonder why someone or someones thought it would be a good idea to shut an important light house down early when shipping is still operating on the lake? Thanks for another great video!

    • @matthewmosier8439
      @matthewmosier8439 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Pretty sure that's the lighthouse that some TH-camrs spent the night at for a video. Pretty interesting to see it up close.

    • @patriciajrs46
      @patriciajrs46 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Why shut them down at all? I thought they operated all the time.

    • @warriyorcat
      @warriyorcat 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      At that time, you needed multiple people to keep them running. The lights were run in kerosene (or some other oil), and there were no mechanical means to get the oil to the light to keep it burning. The keeper would have to haul buckets of kerosene up several flights of stairs to the light. Stannard Rock Lighthouse (the specific lighthouse the Bannockburn passed) is in the middle of buttfuck nowhere (its one of the most isolated spots in the Northern hemisphere), and the Lighthouse Service had a hard time getting people to stay out there - they'd go insane from the lack of human contact. Stannard Rock was also prone to icing over in storms, making it physically dangerous. They probably decided to shut the light off because they couldn't carry the heavy buckets of kerosene up the frozen stairs.

  • @Chord_
    @Chord_ ปีที่แล้ว +83

    "Sacrificed in the name of commerce... A life cut short by the pursuit of profits..." A sentiment that tragically still rings true today.
    Regardless of those sad tides, another wonderful video!

    • @matthewmosier8439
      @matthewmosier8439 ปีที่แล้ว

      If not profit, it would have been "the state". Like those doomed cosmonautes in Communist USSR.

    • @Dayvit78
      @Dayvit78 ปีที่แล้ว

      What strikes me as, apparently this was a quite lucrative line already. They didn't need to squeeze every tiny little drop of profit out of the stone. They were making enough.

    • @funnelvortex7722
      @funnelvortex7722 ปีที่แล้ว

      McDonalds is a lucrative business, still doesn’t stop them from exploiting teenagers for cheap degrading labor.
      Corporate greed and scumminess is a tale as old as time, unfortunately.

    • @drizler
      @drizler ปีที่แล้ว

      737 MAX is another clear example. Pound a square into a round hole to make something it’s not and disaster follows. That plane had hit its limit but to compete against a new airframe and Airbus company they used new Bigger engines that drastically altered center of gravity / thrust. That made it unstable in certain critical flight regimes. Solution, add an automatic safety system , MCAS, to stop uncontrolled pitch up caused by the center of gravity / engine issues.
      There were further problems keeping it in the same exact “ type” classification as anything putting it outside of Type would require real life $$$$$ pilot simulator and real flight training. The completion Airbus needed none of that. Solution, offer to train them on their dime or watch a video tape which was optional. The laughable FAA blessed it all with it’s typical of late “ pencil whip” . Engineers knew it had serious issues and the chief test pilot made it known to the CEO who blew him off. The Result three serious incidents with two ending in tragedy. 350+ dead and it’s likely the pilots on those planes never even knew MCAS was on the plane or how to shut it off. Boeing got it’s fine, the FAA ducked out of sight and the Boeing CEO snuck away with his 16 million “ golden Parachute”. Profit at any cost?……

    • @allewis4008
      @allewis4008 ปีที่แล้ว

      Great Lakes freighters were notorious for not having the safety standards of ocean transportation

  • @larrylapalm7481
    @larrylapalm7481 ปีที่แล้ว +112

    The bannockburn will be found one day. Every ghost had a body at one time.

    • @tessaducek5601
      @tessaducek5601 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Love this comment.. ❤️👌

    • @DolleHengst
      @DolleHengst ปีที่แล้ว +7

      That's a great line you wrote. The fact that these early steel boats were floating death traps, reminds me of the phrase "In a fleshy tomb, i am buried above ground"

    • @rogerrendzak8055
      @rogerrendzak8055 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yes, she was never found. So was the ship depicted earlier, in the video, the 'Marquette and Bessemer No 2'.

    • @warriyorcat
      @warriyorcat 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Maybe. Depends on how broken up she was. It's also why they haven't found the James Carruthers yet - there was a lot of wreckage, but they've never located a ship structure in the area.

  • @nickstemberger1289
    @nickstemberger1289 ปีที่แล้ว +47

    My best guess is that the youth/lack of experience, earlier grounding, and wheat cargo contributed to a sudden cargo shift that capsized the ship. The leak may not have been discovered until too late or not at all and with the lack of communication technology at the time and inexperience, no SOS could've been communicated. Great story! Can you please do the Iosco/Olive Jeanette, Adella Shores, or Alpena?

    • @tkps5079
      @tkps5079 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Back then kids were apprenticed from 15. 4 years on the job training and trade school usually once a fortnight for written theory was how many gained qualifications right up to the 90s.. Basically they were fully qualified by 19 in their preferred trade.

    • @funnelvortex7722
      @funnelvortex7722 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@tkps5079 There was still a dangerous lack of old blood on the Bannockburn that night.

    • @allewis4008
      @allewis4008 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      ​@@funnelvortex7722 There used to be a disgusting practice of using junior crews on rotten old ships to save on money when it inevitably floundered

  • @lisadolan689
    @lisadolan689 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    I’ve said before and I’ll say it again, it’s pure joy to hear the English language spoken with such perfect correctness. My OCD absolutely loves the narrator’s voice and outstanding linguistic perfection.
    And now I’m obsessed with long gone ships in countries I’ve never been too. 😆
    Thank you 🙏 again for your efforts Narrator 😊

    • @tonicastel2390
      @tonicastel2390 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      It really is wonderful to hear perfect English with correct pronunciation & good grammar. It’s sadly so rare these days. And well researched too.

  • @toolsteel8482
    @toolsteel8482 ปีที่แล้ว +40

    Another great episode! Though the stories of these vessels may have been lost to time and history to most, you keep the service and sacrifice of these men alive. I absolutely love this kind of historical presentation. Vessels of this era are so attractive, passenger of course, but cargo ships as well, unlike modern vessels of today. And I really like the uniforms worn by ships officers too.

  • @Rudreax
    @Rudreax ปีที่แล้ว +8

    I DO NOT for the life of me understand how you still have under 100k subs after so many consistently phenomenal videos. It just doesn't make sense to me. Every video is so well made!
    I hope you get all the success you rightfully deserve!

  • @pedropcs_exe
    @pedropcs_exe ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Just discovered your channel randomly, and have been binge watching for the last few hours. Amazing content, editing and storytelling, keep up the great work. ❤️

  • @stardust_490
    @stardust_490 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    I just want to say how truly incredible your storytelling and narration is. You really bring life and drama into each and every one of these stories,
    I always look forward to every video you upload because the quality of your content is amazing!

  • @milesaway3699
    @milesaway3699 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Awesome story that I’ve never heard of. Having been born and raised in Michigan and living just 30 miles south of the Mackinac Bridge, the Great Lakes have been a huge part of my life. I’m sure the Bannockburn is resting in cold, deep water. Hopefully she’ll be found someday.

    • @rogerrendzak8055
      @rogerrendzak8055 ปีที่แล้ว

      I was 13, when I learned about the Bannockburn, from a book titled 'The Great Lakes Triangle', back in '75. I also live by the Atlantic Ocean, in southern NJ.

    • @cheesyllama
      @cheesyllama 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Fellow lifelong Michigan troll, I've never heard of this ship either until this video. (For anyone not from Michigan, a troll is anyone who lives "under the bridge", aka in the lower peninsula. Yoopers are "above the Mackinac bridge", living in the upper peninsula. Neither term is derogatory.)
      Everyone knows of the Edmund Fitzgerald, it's a footnote in a history lesson in elementary school here. Unless you had an obsession with ships as a kid (I didn't, my obsession was outer space), I doubt that many of our fellow trolls and Yoopers have heard of these ships and shipwrecks. I have been to Whitefish Point as a kid, (I was a kid in the 90s) toured the museum and found it all very interesting. Now as an adult, these ships are becoming more and more fascinating to me.

  • @faithcastillo9597
    @faithcastillo9597 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Loved this episode, especially the ending. Hauntingly beautiful...I could see, in my mind's eye, shrouds of mist enveloping a ghostly ship and its lost crew.

  • @marktaylor9975
    @marktaylor9975 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    From the Lake Superior area, love these old story’s. Love the Great Lakes.

  • @daviddavid5880
    @daviddavid5880 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    These ships were built to a budget in a time and place where graft and corruption was rampant, and King Profit ruled. (Those shipping barons were utterly ruthless,) Plus, she was damaged twice before. Inspectors can be bribed, abused and substandard hulls can fail catastrophically. She could have gone under in the wink of an eye. Snap. Gone.

    • @allewis4008
      @allewis4008 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Junior crews were also easily bullied onto unsafe ships, unlike the old salts.

  • @robbicu
    @robbicu ปีที่แล้ว +22

    Excellent job, Brad! I always look forward to your insightful and well researched content. Thank you!

  • @karismadawn
    @karismadawn 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    The aerial lift bridge looked so different back then, I love it. Now it raises when ships are coming in. I actually live in superior, right across the Harbor.

  • @peteryeadon946
    @peteryeadon946 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Once again a most well researched and fascinating video to watch. You must spend many hours doing this channel. It's much appreciated by me! I've loved boats/ships etc for over 50 years. Keep this channel going, I really look forward to your latest video.
    Many thanks
    Peter

  • @Alex___820
    @Alex___820 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I’ve been really enjoying the stories from the Great Lakes, great job!

  • @76RSLT
    @76RSLT ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I just wanted to let you know how much I appreciate your videos on Lake Superior. There is such a rich history up here. And I'd like to specifically talk about the Mataafa video. Initially I avoided watching it as I have long planned on making one myself as i have been researching the storm for many years, but I enjoy your other videos enough I finally caved. As a Minnesota based scuba diver, dive boat captain, and maritime historian, I think you did the story justice. There is so much to be said on the storm, you could do an entire season on it. The Mataafa story is still very well known today in Duluth and Captain Humble's story is so tragic. I'd be happy to discuss the storm or any other Great Lakes wreck history. A couple corrections on Bannockburn, on the lakes we pronounce it "ban-NOCK-burn", and it was the whaleback Frank Rockefeller who found the wreckage.

    • @matthewmosier8439
      @matthewmosier8439 ปีที่แล้ว

      So the debris field was confirmed to be the vessel? It sounds as if the captain who sighted it from a distance believed that the ship went down as he was nearby, but wouldn't that imply that the storm would spread out the debris field too much to be noticed?

  • @DieUnstillbareGier
    @DieUnstillbareGier ปีที่แล้ว +1

    It was actually quite recently I heard about the SS Bannockburn and I couldn't find much information at all. But you brought the information we all wanted. Amazing work, Bradley. I always look forward towards your next video☺

  • @Commander-McBragg
    @Commander-McBragg ปีที่แล้ว +2

    It’s great to see film of these old ships along with the story. Great work as always!

  • @richardcovello5367
    @richardcovello5367 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Great video, well researched. One thing only locals and 'out of towners' who've been told know: Port Dalhousie (now part of St. Catharines, Ontario) is pronounced "Port Daloozie".

  • @box420
    @box420 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    love the ghost ship vids

  • @i_cant_express_myself_in_words
    @i_cant_express_myself_in_words ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Another great presentation. I love these Great Lakes videos, they are so detailed, while I don’t know anything about Great Lakes ships, besides your videos. Great video, keep it up!

  • @irefusetoaskmydoctorifyour6401
    @irefusetoaskmydoctorifyour6401 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Another ship-shape video, Bradley!
    The eerie background music with the windchimes, the semi-hushed crisp yet somber narration, well-researched, a quite enjoyable and educational video to watch! 👍👍 Two thumbs up!

  • @dianachack8779
    @dianachack8779 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Awesome, great job as always!

  • @kallanstedje5133
    @kallanstedje5133 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Thank you so much for more Lake Superior content! I really appreciated your video about the Mataafa. I live in Duluth and all the footage of our bridge,canal, and hillside are always welcome familiar sights which never get old..

  • @Schlipperschlopper
    @Schlipperschlopper ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I like this ship!!! It looks like a steampunk pirate ship of the great lakes!

  • @grievus7764
    @grievus7764 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    It wasn't superstitous sailors it was Great Lakes Historian James Oliver Curwood who gave the Bannockburn the moniker "Flying Dutchmen of the Great Lakes" and what he was trying to do was build a connection between the maritime history of the Great Lakes to the popular maritime history of the worlds ocean to show that the history and life on these lakes were equally valid and harrowing as that of the worlds oceans. Bannockburn also had three sisterships that were virtually identical to her also operating on the Great Lakes region after her loss and they were often misidentified as the Bannockburn because when sailors would see them they would be reminded of the Bannockburn disappearing virtually without a trace.

  • @erickirwan8703
    @erickirwan8703 ปีที่แล้ว

    Absolutely love these videos.

  • @petechadwick6261
    @petechadwick6261 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Awesome stuff, thanks!

  • @babyswheels54
    @babyswheels54 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I just discovered your channel and I enjoyed the story. I’m gonna stick around and check out your other videos. Well told.

  • @fhwolthuis
    @fhwolthuis ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great documentary 😃

  • @justsmallstuff4994
    @justsmallstuff4994 ปีที่แล้ว

    Another quality upload thanks

  • @majuuorthrus3340
    @majuuorthrus3340 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    OK, that is a bloody weird one. Mainly because anything I can think of that would make a ship vanish in the time it took to glance away (maybe a minute) would be incredibly obvious, and anything that could make a ship vanish silently would take longer than that.

  • @micoasters
    @micoasters ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I’ve been waiting for this, I’ve always been intrigued by her and always read about her when I get a chance

  • @mbvoelker8448
    @mbvoelker8448 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    An interesting mystery.
    I can't imagine that the crew of the Algonquin wouldn't have heard an explosion given that sound carries so well over water.

    • @marhawkman303
      @marhawkman303 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      I'm wondering at the idea that was in fact her hull plate the excavators found. Maybe the inspection team was in a hurry or lazy? Maybe the inspection team genuinely were trying their best but missed something? I don't have much info on what the inspectors actually did, so it's impossible to have confidence in the inspection.
      soo... the idea that there could be a catastrophic failure is... more than a little plausible. Also, she was last seen with no barge in tow... why? Was she in trouble?

  • @Electriceye1984bySam
    @Electriceye1984bySam ปีที่แล้ว

    Always so informative and interesting sir👍🏻👌🏻 Thank you.

  • @poowg2657
    @poowg2657 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    "A routine November gale....." Cue the ominous cello music.

  • @GoredonTheDestroyer
    @GoredonTheDestroyer ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Something that I think is important to keep in mind about the Great Lakes - and this is something I've picked up from watching Maritime Horrors - is that in the winter months, they can be truly unpredictable - The northern geographic range combined with the sheer _size_ of the lakes makes for a perfect recipe for freak weather conditions that can catch even experienced sailors off guard - not that the crew of the Bannockburn had much in the way of experience.

    • @funnelvortex7722
      @funnelvortex7722 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Not just in winter. Even in spring and summer when the waters are on average more calm they can still give a nasty surprise. The storm systems that cause tornadoes, hail, and high winds in the Midwest and Great Plains often move over the lakes bringing *explosive* weather with them. Wake lows, derechos, and microbursts can turn a nice summer day into nightmarish churning hell within minutes. These explosive conditions have wrecked multiple ships.
      Stan Rogers wrote a song about it.

  • @nancykurpaitis7928
    @nancykurpaitis7928 ปีที่แล้ว

    SAD......but Beautiful, Well Researched Story!!!

  • @Got2gofishin
    @Got2gofishin 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    You’re a great storyteller

  • @propman3523
    @propman3523 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great job and a very eloquent tribute to all "who go down to the [water] in ships."

  • @charlieboy7502
    @charlieboy7502 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Wow another great show on a cloudy Saturday with a hot cup of coffee. Why ain't you on the history channel such a great voice and topics

  • @flapjackfae
    @flapjackfae ปีที่แล้ว

    Excellent research and presentation, as always. I enjoy your conversational, even delivery, as opposed to the show biz announcer/ comedian tone of so many TH-camrs.

  • @brenkirgaming4586
    @brenkirgaming4586 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Yes! More Great Lakes freighters!!!!!!!!!!

  • @falconer7166
    @falconer7166 ปีที่แล้ว

    I like that you cover great lakes wrecks as well as open ocean. I live off lake erie and know what a beast she can be once the weather turns. That said I enjoy the milder stuff in my surfski.

  • @Sillygoober2006
    @Sillygoober2006 ปีที่แล้ว

    another great video

  • @DeborahRosen99
    @DeborahRosen99 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Willing to put money on the idea that the "inspection" the Bannockburn got after grounding was cursory, a check in the box that the powerful lake shipping companies accepted as a gesture to silence the relatively impotent regulators of the time, and that it missed something important. Something like a warp in the keel, for instance, that would weaken the entire hull. A ship with a snapped keel has ten minutes or less from the moment of the break, and if she was hauling grain she had big cargo spaces that the water would have rushed into and taken her down fast. I'm also willing to bet that the "minute later" that the Algonquin's captain looked up was something more like 3-5 minutes as he monitored his own ship in the storm.

  • @kenwaldron8548
    @kenwaldron8548 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I live in Michigan, just south of the Mackinac bridge and growing up my grampa told me stories about shipwrecks. It started my fear of water

  • @Drumm3rB0y
    @Drumm3rB0y ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Heart goes out to Callaghan

  • @evolveausevolveaus
    @evolveausevolveaus 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Henry B. Smith was a large wool broker (H.B.Smith) in the Port town I grew up in, Williamstown, Melbourne. Australia 🇦🇺
    Obviously not the same Henry B. Smith, but the name was familiar to me.
    Great coverage of the story, thank you so much for your effort in creating content for "us ship / history freaks"😂😂 😂

  • @charliekezza
    @charliekezza ปีที่แล้ว

    I love this channel ♥️♥️♥️

  • @Sassymouse88
    @Sassymouse88 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    /sigh/ it's always a late season run that does it!

  • @greg98223
    @greg98223 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Capt John Wood was a relative of mine. I've lost 2 relatives on the great lakes. The other was chief engineer Eugene Wood on a rail car ferry that went down several years later. I stay away from the big lakes. Lol

    • @erikaswanson7072
      @erikaswanson7072 ปีที่แล้ว

      I thought the narrator called him George R Wood.

  • @esteban8840
    @esteban8840 ปีที่แล้ว

    Captivating, the quality of these documentaries are movies like

  • @digitaal_boog
    @digitaal_boog ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I guarantee that some mad lad is gonna build an exact replica of a ship that was known to be lost and just sail it around to freak people out

  • @mike.4277
    @mike.4277 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video 😎👍

  • @TheScottishKayaker
    @TheScottishKayaker ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I wonder if she was already sinking when the captain of the other ship saw her. She was not actually as far away as she appeared and the reason she seemed to suddenly disappear was her rolling as her hold filled.

  • @Feline_Frenzy53
    @Feline_Frenzy53 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    RIP brave sailors

  • @johncmitchell4941
    @johncmitchell4941 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I suggest that if the last observer/Captain had but turned down wind to water his horse (walk his dog?) the ship could have gone down in that time. I also suspect that a boiler explosion would have created a billow of steam or smoke far larger than the ship itself and observable for several minutes despite the weather/visibility. That said, If boiler's water was too low and the inrush too quick it would be all steam and quickly dissipated in the cold. IMO it cracked in two.

  • @TheEudaemonicPlague
    @TheEudaemonicPlague ปีที่แล้ว

    I'm glad my sailing days were aboard the brand new USS Theodore Roosevelt. The navy takes care of its ships, which isn't always true of commercial vessels. The Bannockburn's hull probably was damaged from running aground (visual inspections aren't always going to catch cracks in the hull, or metal fatigue), and failed suddenly. I'm also glad to live in a time when past mistakes have been learned from.

  • @dennisdougherty7538
    @dennisdougherty7538 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Very expertly presented. Thank you. Being a former Michigan resident I know the locations you mentioned but for non-familiar listeners a map should have been shown. It is hard to imagine where Sarnia is in relation to Caribou Isl. is without a map or distance mentioned. Also, related to this account some maritime enthusiasts call lake superior a "Devils Triangle" such as the "Bermuda" one is referred to.

    • @inueti
      @inueti ปีที่แล้ว

      Ran a background check and you never lived in or around Michigan

  • @richardwolf8024
    @richardwolf8024 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Perhaps a seartch of the bottom around Caribou Island is in order. If she was searching for tje lights there, perhaps she hit a rock and sank.

  • @luca-pk5ff
    @luca-pk5ff ปีที่แล้ว

    Thx

  • @bold810
    @bold810 ปีที่แล้ว

    I love the B.O.B.

  • @lordcantiismyname
    @lordcantiismyname ปีที่แล้ว +1

    We miss you when you're gone!

  • @KathrynsWorldWildfireTracking
    @KathrynsWorldWildfireTracking ปีที่แล้ว +3

    _Note to Self: Never, ever, take to the Lakes in November..._
    _Ever!_

  • @mlkott1
    @mlkott1 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    After al these years, why didn’t someone launch a search operation at the area that the ship was las spotted so they can find the debris?

    • @warriyorcat
      @warriyorcat 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      There's a lot of uncertainty over exactly where it sunk, so you'd have to cover a large area. This costs a lot of money, and people would rather spend it elsewhere. Also, a very large part of that potential search area is located over the deepest part of Lake Superior, or a little over 1300 feet deep. The deepest wreck discovered in her waters is somewhere around the 925 mark IIRC, and it wasn't the Bannockburn.

  • @LeoJBatt
    @LeoJBatt ปีที่แล้ว

    these sinkings are incredibly sad

  • @jbrobertson6052
    @jbrobertson6052 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks I really like these stories and I wonder why would Henderson lie about the sighting?

  • @LordVikingLive
    @LordVikingLive ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Running a ground was a warning to not do the trip.

  • @robertmoffett3486
    @robertmoffett3486 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Spending one's afterlife at work sounds more hellish than romantic. Purgatory, at least

  • @HistoryintheDark
    @HistoryintheDark ปีที่แล้ว +1

    If no explosion was heard, the boiler theory doesn't seem logical. Boiler explosions, especially one capable of wrecking the entire ship, are intense. But she would have had to suffer a major and immediate structural failure for her to just vanish like that which does make the hull pretty suspect. Sadly, unless her wreck is found, we likely won't ever know for sure.

  • @Ragnarock227
    @Ragnarock227 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    im kinda surprised they havent looked for a wreck at all

  • @thecivilwarguy3674
    @thecivilwarguy3674 ปีที่แล้ว

    You should do a story on the G.P Griffith Disaster on Lake Eirie

  • @johncmitchell4941
    @johncmitchell4941 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    In the '80s some younger coworkers invited me to get back into SCUBA diving (after 20 yrs) but I wasn't ready for the dry suit and helium mix for where they dove wrecks in Lake Huron. I wonder if the Bannockburn has been located. Did it settle in one piece? Two, three?

    • @warriyorcat
      @warriyorcat 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      It's not been found. The area where it's believed to have sunk also happens to be the deepest part of the lake.

  • @MainMezzer
    @MainMezzer ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I would recommend the song The Shores of Michigan by Lee Murdock, great song about the bannokburn

  • @spacelemur7955
    @spacelemur7955 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    "It was a very lucrative business, as the crews were young, inexperienced and paid very little."
    Gale season approaching, already a day late departing, ran aground and the captain who wanted yet another voyage after this one, decides the damage is minor, and sets off again.
    Just another day in the Gilded Era.

    • @funnelvortex7722
      @funnelvortex7722 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      The Gilded Era? Nah, this is all still a thing, look how they pack warehouses and even your local McDonalds full of overworked and underpaid young kids who don't understand how they are being exploited.

  • @lexington476
    @lexington476 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Has anyone or institution ever carried out an organized search for the ship?

    • @unluckyirish2763
      @unluckyirish2763 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      They likely have been. Shes up there on the list of wrecks they want to find.

  • @iamfreebgm8856
    @iamfreebgm8856 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Considering the fellow ship sailing a tad after the late Edgar Fitzgerald in 1975, captain said " the Fitz was one minute on my radar and next I looked she was gone" I believe the same happened here with the SS Bannockburn. One min there next look gone. I hope someone would scan that part and see if there arent wrecks there, where one could possibly the SS Bannockburn. Also back then were a human life not valued as it was in the 1970s and onward. We saw it in WW1 n WW2. As long as it was won, no one cared for lives lost nor what happened psychologically, bodily and worse. Sad thing really.

  • @schattmultz1660
    @schattmultz1660 ปีที่แล้ว

    Ran aground after departure on a lake notorious for sudden bad weather. Most like hull fracture and sank

  • @rjrouse635
    @rjrouse635 ปีที่แล้ว

    Can you do a video on the barquentine Elmina she has a very tragic story

  • @BarelyDecentProduction
    @BarelyDecentProduction ปีที่แล้ว +2

    So she and her crew continued their journey to this day even though they've sunk decades ago...

    • @merafirewing6591
      @merafirewing6591 ปีที่แล้ว

      Guess they're just that unlucky, like the Flying Dutchman itself.

  • @therealtony2009
    @therealtony2009 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    why would they shut down that lighthouse?

  • @marybethreid5428
    @marybethreid5428 ปีที่แล้ว

    I live in Port Colborne, Ontario. We pronounce Port Dalhousie as Da-lou-zee. Whether or not that is the correct pronunciation??? 😂 Another great video 🎉

  • @mullittmustang256
    @mullittmustang256 ปีที่แล้ว

    Ahhh the ole S.S Bannockbum

  • @shadymaint1
    @shadymaint1 ปีที่แล้ว

    The Favorite wrecking tug mentioned was based out of Saint Ignace.

  • @nesnever
    @nesnever ปีที่แล้ว

    is there any hope of getting a deep water drone to look on the lake bottom I am familiar with the depths of lake Superior thanks to the Canal Park Maritime Museum in Duluth and realize it w0uld be nearly impossible to find. That said, nothing ventured nothing gained.

  • @luketdrifter2100
    @luketdrifter2100 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    There is 0% chance that hull plate was from Bannockburn. The amount of water that would come in from a lost plate would have sunk her before she made Whitefish. Since I read of this mystery 30 years ago I thought boiler explosion was the only explanation

    • @pretzelbomb6105
      @pretzelbomb6105 ปีที่แล้ว

      It’s also possible her cargo shifted and caused her to capsize. A few hard knocks back and forth, piling cargo higher on one side, then the other, then back… and CLANG! 20 tons of loose wheat slams into the inner hull. CLANG! 20 tons into the other side if she survives the first. Shifts like that can break a ship in half.

    • @marhawkman303
      @marhawkman303 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      I'm not so sure. What do we know of the way Bannockburn was put together? did she have internal bulkheads to stem the deluge of the ship interior? Have a bulkhead get strained by being under load long enough and a water tight bulkhead can just fail.
      If the hull plate falling off opened a gap into a water tight compartment(such as a sealed hold) that no one tried looking inside? The amount of water taken on would be limited until the bulkheads collapsed under strain.

    • @luketdrifter2100
      @luketdrifter2100 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@marhawkman303 I want to say (and this is a fuzzy memory) she wasn’t fitted with water right bulkheads, but again this is thoughts from long ago. I’ll try to find the books I had when I was a young boat nerd

  • @ThatsMrMoronToYou
    @ThatsMrMoronToYou ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Superior is an enormous stone bowl. It's the only Minnesota lake I've seen that has no sand or silt beaches. It was formed by volcanic activity. That's why ships and boats sunk offshore will eventually be pushed along the bottom inshore by wave action, unless hung up on rocks.

    • @jacobgreve802
      @jacobgreve802 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      The hell are you talking about, Lake Superior was formed by glacial action, same as all the great lakes, and there are sandy beaches, just look at the west coast of the Keweenaw.

    • @549RR
      @549RR ปีที่แล้ว

      You must not be a local, then. There’s plenty of glorious sand beaches on the north shore - my family’s camp among them. Agawa, Pancake, Batchewana… and SAND River.

  • @LarryRivest
    @LarryRivest ปีที่แล้ว

    I suspect that the ship probably hid a shoal somewhere and sank. A ship of only 245ft long would probably not break up.. The outline looks like an early WW2 corvette.

  • @bold810
    @bold810 ปีที่แล้ว

    I used to work for this restaurant called "Denny's" and there was an identical restaurant called "Denny's" in the next town over, but it was in this place called "Wisconsin", and there were a bunch of Whiteys, like- entirely statewide.
    #creepy

  • @go4brookle761
    @go4brookle761 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I wonder what happened to that kid’s little brothers. I hope they ended up ok.

  • @irefusetoaskmydoctorifyour6401
    @irefusetoaskmydoctorifyour6401 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I get it, the lives of those young men were worth very little in the days before OSHA, workers' comp laws, and wrongful death lawsuits, BUT, you'd think, if nothing else, these steamship companies would have been more careful not to lose their ship(s). I know it had to cost $$$ to build an entire SHIP, even back in those days. That might be a good topic for a video, how many runs would a new cargo ship have to make to pay for itself?