I know a bunch of you are going to be like you can do this with a warlock and darkness. Yes I know, but there are a few things that set this apart and make it better. First, I have already done a darkness build you can see that here th-cam.com/video/JWxh2gIx73o/w-d-xo.html Second, you can't be as broken with darkness as fast as you can with fog cloud. You would need 3 levels in warlock and 2 in rogue. This is because even in darkness you need to hide. The AI knows you are in there if you do not hide and it can find ways to attack you. I know, I have tested it thoroughly. Lastly, the final form of this build can cast fog cloud infinatly and you can't do that with darkness. You can get the items you need to do this early in act 2.
You can beeline to the cave for the zhentian quest at the beginning, steal the chest, deliver the mission and get the titanstring bow, then buy 3 strength portions from Aunt Ethel. With 21 strength plus your dexterity modifiers, I believe you will get more damage than with the thunder bow. This is a great build for solo tactician run. Getting the cloak from the dark urge is a good icing on the cake and the phalar aluve as it gives a chance to do a good melee and range mix. An hierling that can cast longstrider will also make it more viable after becoming a thief as more movement equals more striking opportunities. Anything apart from solo tactician with this build might be too easy though
I was actually going to say... Start as Rogue, so you get 4 skills, THEN Dip Cleric, then back to rogue. You sill get all the armor and weapon profs from Tempest, because they're subclass specific bonus proficiencies.
There is a Downside to this in your Build: Medium and Heavy Armor is nice, but it likits the Bonus from Dex. Medium limits it to +2, so every Dex above 14 is lost. Heavy sets that to 0. No Dex Bonus at all. Every +1 from Dex adds to AC - keep that in mind.
8:01 I think I found some misinformation here: Savage attacker does not increase the crit chance - you are mixing two different roll types. Crit chance comes from Attack Rolls - if you roll 20 (or less with proper equipement/champion), you get a crit. Savage attacker influences DAMAGE rolls., its a roll that determines whether your 1d6 weapon should do 1 or 6 points of damage. Savage attacker essentially gives you advantage on DAMAGE roll, enabling you to do more damage, but not crit more often. Also, it only works for MELEE attacks, so its pretty useless for the build which fouses on sniping with a bow
I think FireSpark might intentionally put in misinfo like this to create extra engagement from corrections. Savage Attacker doesn't do what he says it does. A useful comment on Savage Attacker would be "This lets you reroll damage dice for all sources, but not Sneak Attacks, so the more your build uses Sneak Attack damage, the less attractive Savage Attacker is." Savage Attacker is better in BG3 than in Tabletop though. Just not in this build. Rerolling Smite damage and a lot of other damage riders can be strong in appropriate builds.
He did say that after the acquisition of the cloak you need to keep moving. Bow utility is only themajority of attacks until you get that cloak then you can melee all you want as long as one steps out of the clod to do it with. It may not be immediately useful but the build works for the long game.
I would suggest dual wielder. it could allow you to dual wield more melee weapons with strong passives. Just have to figure out what applies to ranged attacks as well. The weapon effects can be unclear at times. Other than that only sharpshooter and dex+2 are usefull for this kind of build. There is a ring in the game that gives you permanent advantage on attack rolls, which would fit this build perfectly.
Taking 6 levels of sword bard instead of tempest cleric will get you three attacks instead of one plus a weapon style. A level of fighter will get you the archery weapon style. You can get respec out of the final cleric level for Action Surge after getting the cloak, giving fighter 2/sword bard 6/thief rogue 4, which gives you a panic button for bursting down an enemy who can dent your defences. Taking fighter first during this respec also makes it less likely you will drop concentration. Naturally fighter 1/sword bard 6/thief rogue 4/tempest cleric 1 is also just fine. Going this swords bard route also gives you the option of switching to the preferred dual crossbow method, where you use the second Bonus Action for an additional attack. This is a generally good build that will work well for both cheesy and traditional playstyles as required.
Better equipment: Titan String Longbow from the vendor in the Zentirum Hideout, and then get the Club of Hill Giant Str. from mage tower, it will set your str score to 19, giving you a +4 bonus damage on every arrow.
Some optimization. Go rogue first for more skills. Tempest cleric is a subclass so even if you take it at character level 2 you still get martial weapons and heavy armour from the subclass.
Draconic Ancestory: Bronze also gets Fog Cloud as an innate, so in early game if that's your race you'll get at least one more encounter off before you need the long rest.
Surely swapping out savage attacker, which would only let you reroll damage on melee attacks which you aren't really doing, and replacing it with sharpshooter is just better. Flat 10 damage each attack is just incredible, and you're attacking with advantage so the -5 to hit penalty is negligible. Also, all of those cleric levels just for spellslots for fog cloud and 1d8 damage a turn seems like a lot of investment for a small return. You can go swords bard after rogue 4 all the way to 12. You still get spell slots, but you also get Blade Flourish. Slashing Flourish on a bow just lets you attack twice for that attack, and can be on the same target. You also get extra attack to go with your two bonus actions to hide. So that's four attacks with advantage and sharpshooter per turn. You only get 2 ASI's this way, but 18 dex and sharpshooter when all your attacks have advantage is still incredibly reliable. You can also start 17 dex and go the hag hair route.
@oritanix5205 it gives you options. If you use one bonus action to disengage to make a cloud you can't hide for both attacks. Keeping fog cloud as a spell let's you hide twice to get advantage or to only hide once and make a disengage cloud if you need to move around the battlefield
I genuinely like the concept, it's a clever way to combine some otherwise lackluster items. Personally though, I only see it being useful for low levels for the fog cloud cast/strange conduit combo. Once you get the cloak, you don't need to be cleric anymore, you'd be better off using the same cloak/blindness ring combo, getting the ring to get advantage on attacks (and disadvantage on saves but who cares), and making a rogue/bard hand xbow build. Still disengage every turn to make your cloud, but you don't need to use your other bonus to hide because you have advantage anyway, so you get two primary attacks (which bard can turn into 4 attacks) and a bonus shot every round, and you're getting bard utility and skill boosts. Plus if you start with 17 DEX and take the hag bonus, you'll cap DEX with your first ASI, use your second feat for sharpshooter (advantage on all attacks will easily offset the -5), then just to spice it up finish off levels 11 and 12 with two in Fighter for your surge. You're getting a standard 2 attacks, which bard makes into 4 attacks, and a bonus shot. When you surge you're getting 2 more attacks, which bard is still turning into 4 attacks. All at advantage, all with +10 sharpshooter, all while being untouchable. The only thing it really changes it needing to short rest after each combat for maximum output (which many people do anyway AND Bard gives you a 3rd short rest), but to turn yourself into a invincible walking turret of death it's a small trade. And if you didn't want to bother with your inspirations and surge, you wouldn't even need to short rest because 3 attacks per round from the safety of your cloud is still solid regardless. Still, the initial idea is very clever and the item combination is strong, keep up the good work.
FYI there’s an amazing shield for this build in gauntlet of shar after you kill all the rats and the guy transforms from a rat. Justiciar shield gives you a poof of smoke and puts you in hide with one bonus action so you can easily sneak attack anywhere anytime with the blind immunity ring.
Why not go arcane trickster as fog cloud is level 1 spell and can be learnt level 3. Also going pure rogue allows to better scale your sneak attack making your 1 attack per turn way better and at level 9 you getting advantage on spells.
For a little more endurance at low levels, you can get the Spell Thief bow from the Druid's grove vendor, and once per short rest get a spell back when you crit with the bow. This could allow you to recover your Fog Cloud spell, allowing you to effectively restore your most important spell each short rest.
To ge the cloak you need to convince rolan to stay and help, I just got to last light inn and mattis isn't there because I didn't do this. I think its useful to know this
The cloak is op af. I always thought that the second disengage that triggers a fog cloud would make the first one disappear so never bothered trying it. Being able to cover the entire area indefinitely without any spell slot makes the various obscure related gear viable too.
If you don't know how to rush to the underdark for the rings, I strongly suggest grabbing the Smuggler's Ring for a +2 Stealth +2 Sleight of Hand, it only costs you one charisma point, but it's definitely useful for the early parts and picking pockets
I've liked this for lone wolf runs, but I think Act 1 thru most of Act 2 work better just going straight Gloomstalker Ranger, you miss out on some of the tempest damage, but most of that comes in the reactions, and since you're in the clouds you don't react much anyway... and just the first 3 Ranger levels get you everything you need: fog, dread ambusher hide, heavy armour if you want it, as well as the extra ambusher attack at the start of the fight and some resistance if you want those, you also get access to some useful ritual spells and cantrips. Cleric might add and scale better later on especially with the equipment, but Ranger is so front loaded as a class so makes the early game more efficient IMO
Note that in character creation, 10 STR doesn't give more jump. 8 to 11 is the same jump distance. You're better off setting INT to 10 for the various skill checks and dumping STR to 8. Just a minor note.
you think you get more int checks than str? Also how do you know it does not give you more jump? You go from a negative bonus to a 0. Also you have more carry weight.
@@Firespark81 Because I respec'd a character to 8, 10 and 12 STR and the 8 and 10 had the same jump distance of 15'. 12 STR is 18'. 14 STR is 22'. The higher strength does help with carry weight and in shove calculations.
My version: > Rogue 4 (Arcane Trickster) > Ranger 5 (GloomStalker) > Fighter 3 (Champion) Feats: just sharpshooter Items: CRIT!!!! Also, the eversight ring is the most important thing in the build. I picked Arcne trickster cause this version just needs one Bonus Action per turn and, by going Arcane Trickster, you can learn fog cloud at lvl 3 and obtain a couple of spellslots. Gloom stalker becomes invisible inside the fogcloud and Champion gives crit. Edit: Assasin instead of Arcane Trickster is a good option.
Maybe a moot point but: why 16 wisdom? The only spell you're casting is fog really, right? Dump those stats into charisma to help with dialogue checks?
Larian Studios: Let's make a low-level, under-selected role-play-type spell more appealing for a change. Maybe Fog? Smoke Monster from Lost: My time has come again.
Depending on how far along you are in the grove storyline, going to the monastery can disrupt the story. Certain quests can be closed when you return. Best save before going there.
TYVM for this build. It reminds me, a lot, of an assassin build I had in Neverwinter Nights. I would strike from invisibility, then instantly return invisible. Rinse, repeat.
This is just the build I was looking for I wanted to try full astarion rogue and try to keep the character loyal to its origin and that just 1 level of cleric fits what I was looking for , Thank you so much
im currently doing this build on honour mode because survivability is important. of course i would just do the hag hair to get 18 dex then the graceful cloth bumps dex to 20. then your feats can be whatever else you want. sharpshooter comes to mind. maybe alert. also i went with a gnome because advantage on stealth seems important
Nice build but lvl4 you should take sharpshooter it’s just better since your shooting with advantage and I would use hand Xbox to stack all the extra damage along with sharpshooter and u will still have 1 bonus action to hide again
The rogue doesn't need to be cheesed. The thief is already one of the most powerful subclasses in the game. They can move FOUR times in one turn. My Astarion is a pure thief and has pulled off some truly outrageous shenanigans. Give him athletic for true traversal, or just run mage slayer and have him run through the whole combat to stand next to their spellcasters (3 moves and disengage, he's getting there). Moving out of cover for a cheeky ranged sneak attack and immediately making 2 full moves and hiding again is really good too, and feels very roguish
I currently doing a no companion tactical run with a tempest cleric which comes together at lvl 5. might through three rouge levels in there just to give me a variety of play styles instead of just lightning god, also foggy archer. sounds good.
Theren is another build where dual wielding one hand cross bows with multiple attacks in a round would benefit from this tactic. I'm starting a new game because I missed everything in act one. Will try a hybrid variation of this with dual wield xbows. Been a long time since a game was so much fun that I actually wanted a replay.
You can be detected however, and the way fog cloud works it obscures you and breaks the AI so you can't be seen or detected. At least, as I understand it.
Ah I've seen an item that gives you a cast of flog cloud and items that give darkness. There is a ring that prevents blindness too. I solo'ed a bunch of enemies while in a flog cloud blinding them and being immune to blind. Cleric giving you a couple flog cloud charges is nice.
I saw your fog cloud video, and soloed most act3 bosses with a rogue and the ring of immune to blindness. Doing a second playthrough now and I am level 3. Might try this for Astarion :)
I would suggest going with dual hand crossbows, actually. Especially with those rings adding damage to all attacks, the extra attacks will stack nicely. I do realize they seem to be kind of overlooked. I only found a nice one toward the end of act 2. Maybe I missed something? None the less, I've been using two +1 bows with Astarion for most of my game and he puts out pretty crazy damage at range or in melee, dual wielding in either case.
If you don't hide after attacking on your turn, the enemies will attack you in the fog cloud with ranged weapons and spells. Dual wielding hand crossbows is not going to work well with the tactic espoused in this video.
@@Firespark81 Oh. It seemed like you only need the one bonus action to go into stealth? You can still make two attacks instead of one with two hand crossbows and just not use the 3rd off-hand attack?
@@Firespark81 I did. You recommended a specific bow near the end of the game, but that's near the end of the game. And you need more actions for darkness arrow or whatever, if you run passed your 10 turns of fog cloud. But outside of that, I don't see why dual wielding would be the weaker choice in most situations for most of the game...
Does all of it no longer work (particularly AI doing nothing on their turn when you are in the cloud) or only the part he explained at the end about creating connected clouds?
I did a similar thing on a rogue i was playing, solo durge...instead of cleric i went warlock, for darkness and demon sight. This choice was inspired by an erncounter in the game. I came across the sperctator, and one of his minions cast darkness on me, so i just used it to pop in and out of to kill the boss, xD
He drops the strange conduit because he starts using fog clouds from the cloak, not ones he's concentrating on so the strange conduit stops being active anyway.
Using an archery bow build without sharpshooter is absolutely pointless. Also any archery build should incorporate at least 1 level of fighter to get the +2 archery fighting style.
Ok so this to me still broken if You do it right I havent beat the game yet not even got to act 2 to cause I told my self im beat on honour mode welp this build got me the to act 2 solo. Nice build
Is there any other class than the Cleric Tempest Domain who also makes damage at a certain level? I didnt took the joltshooter. I thought a Wyll with the lightning staff would be better with the following items Lightning Combo Set Spellsparkler (Q: Duke) The Real Sparky Sparkswall (Chest) The Lifebringer (T: Blurg) The Protecty Sparkswall (Chest) The Sparkle Hands The Watersparkers (Minthara) Neck. of Elemental Augmentation (Chest) The Sparkswall (Chest) Ring of Elemental Infusion (Umra'a'ac) So i think i broke this character a little? 2nd Question: Why doesnt Devil Sight work against Fog Cloud? Wyll gets blinded in my Fog Cloud.
Longbow is a martial weapons which you will have proficiency in with this build no matter your race. So yes and it is a good option if you do not get the one I recommend.
I was thinking about re-specing Astarion to this but I would want to add the boots that also give you lightning charges during combat and combine that with the jolt bow letting you add that extra lightning damage more often. he can wear medium armor because of the level one cleric But does he have any disadvantages to his stealth and dexterity bonus to his armor class if he's only wearing medium boots but the rest of the set would be light armor?
Sure... I guess... But if you wanna ACTUALLY be broken just go dark urge for the cloak, and then go fighter (champ or battle), get extra attack, and the rest into rogue (assassin). Take archery fighting style and basically be the Skyrim stealth archer meme. Go invis on kill, always sneak attacking, getting actions back after you open from stealth, action surge, extra attack, blah blah blah. Or just a rogue paladin. Cause paladin is just broken by itself. Cause smite.
Gloomstalker 5. Assassin 5. Fighter 2 for action surge. Build on Astarion, play as dark urge for cloak. After astarion’s quest (if you let him do the ritual) he gets an additional d10 on every hit.
@@lunar2328 Gloomstalker provides the only extra attack in this build, since rogue doesn’t get it and fighter is left at 2. Gloomstalker is good because that opening extra shot with +d8 is very potent for taking out early threats in combat., +3 to initiative is basically a free alert feat, and the spells you get can be fairly useful. Plus, early on, before you take fighter for your last 2 levels, Ranger provides heavy armor proficiency (ranger knight). Resistance to fire or poison is also pretty handy to have for certain encounters. With this build on Astarion, I took out the anti-shadowheart in the final fight on turn 1 with an attack to spare. (Forgot to mention: Caustic Ring + Risky Ring for extra damage and almost always hitting)
Berserker-Thief with Great Weapon Mastery should work well too. Constant Sneak Attacks because you have Reckless Attack and every time you kill something you can Attack with a Bonus Action. When you dont one-hit something use Frenzied Strike to finish the job - youre rolling 2 dice anyway.
Totally great and my guess is that this OP build in a Party will totally change the run-through if the game from the 3rd level on. I'm not sure but will all the boss fights be as easy and I wonder if with this build will it be possible to get every one of the bonus treasures. I'm hoping to do a run where no plus item is not collected and none in the party ever get killed.
I was hoping for a list of armour and equipment like the cleric/sorcerer healer build has because I'm trying to do honour mode and my autism has blocked off understanding multiclassing (hence why I've been copying builds, I just want that golden dice) lol
When you play on low difficulties you do not force yourself to look for alternatives to survive in battles, you look for what is possible when you are new to playing tactics to be able to survive and discover these tricks
Hi @FireSpark81. Love this concept. Reminds me of the Deep Purple track "Stormbringer". I was wondering though, how important is the lightning/thunder effects, melee knockback when you can just shoot, and if you can just shoot, and don't need the knockback, why not go 11 levels of rogue to maximise sneak attack dice? In fact if you have another means of getting access to the gear you need, once you have the two equipment combo, you could be pure Rogue Thief and have 4 feats. I also wondered why savage attacker and not sharpshooter. Mathematically sharpshooter is well worth it when you have advantage on every attack. And early on that helps kill everything before the fog cloud runs out.
Heavily obscured, and yes. This build is utterly broken. I soloed most bosses in act 3 using this. Might be worth giving everyone in the party two levels of rogue for that bonus hiding if you don't want to play solo... I did it with Gale, so had two chars with immune to blindness and bonus action hide. Trivializes most of the game though, because it is truly broken...It works fine even without those items, as you can just step outside the cloud, attack, then step back inside and hide. That loses the obscured bonus, but the enemy AI stays lost.
This build looks epic. I have to give this one a try. Thanks for the spoiler alert at the end. (I did stop watching as I'm still new to the game.) If I were to respec shadow heart into this build and make sure she still worships shar, would it mess up her story line at all?
i dont think a story characters class affects their RP or storyline at all, just how they fight and make skill checks. you could make Gale a barbarian if you wanted. he would still go through the same story beats.
The trick for getting the ring doesn't seem to work. The moment I even move the chest the hand gets attacked and killed. I think I am only moving it not throwing it. I simply drag the chest with the mouse pointer a short distance. Am I doing this wrong?
I joined on my friends campaign and wanted to do this build because I had to catch up with the gear, but they picked a different weapon instead of the sporkshooter, is there a way to substitute the bow?
Why he picked ASI - that's the question. You need marksman for this build. An this is actually not a build, just exploiting some cheesy mechanic. And low damage for this.
As noted in the pin I did this with a warlock and with a stealthy caster in EA and it got so boring so fast I stopped. OP yes, boring 100%. At least for me.
@@Qeroo I already beat the game long ago as Gloomstalker / Thief, bow buils with the cloak. This is OP, I solo all fights that are not limited by time.
D&D is literally about figuring out how to best cheese the system to beat the DM. Larian are our DM's and they gave us the tools to cheese the game for that very purpose. 🙂 Though I agree it removes some of the fun of playing under pressure and needing to make on the fly decisions.
@@Firespark81 thanks for the Intel. Going thief now makes a lot more sense because the other two options were significantly better in their descriptions.
A build is more than the classes you choose. If you are playing as a rogue then yea its a rogue build it doesn't matter what classes you spec into. Now, could you play this build as a cleric all supporty and such. Sure. But that is not how it is designed and would not be the optimal use of the build. This build excels at being a stealth rogue.
Only Devilsight. Characters can Melee attack people within the clouds, albeit at disadvantage if their target has vision inside the cloud. But if an npc starts outside the cloud, they won't enter the cloud.
Cool glitch, but kind of no fun. I guess I’m more of a purist, but that’s the beauty of this game: Play however you want! I hope they never patch it for that reason.
Except not lmao. The extra Bonus Action from Thief can’t be used for Attacks in 5e. And if your DM makes NPCs skip their turn because you are hiding, find a new one.
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I know a bunch of you are going to be like you can do this with a warlock and darkness. Yes I know, but there are a few things that set this apart and make it better.
First, I have already done a darkness build you can see that here th-cam.com/video/JWxh2gIx73o/w-d-xo.html
Second, you can't be as broken with darkness as fast as you can with fog cloud. You would need 3 levels in warlock and 2 in rogue. This is because even in darkness you need to hide. The AI knows you are in there if you do not hide and it can find ways to attack you. I know, I have tested it thoroughly.
Lastly, the final form of this build can cast fog cloud infinatly and you can't do that with darkness. You can get the items you need to do this early in act 2.
btw if you get Shar's spear after killing Nightsong you get Darkness spell that costs no spell slots
Shadow Monk + Rogue also does this without the random spells. can just go invis and a teleport. with fog & darkness cast using Ki
You can beeline to the cave for the zhentian quest at the beginning, steal the chest, deliver the mission and get the titanstring bow, then buy 3 strength portions from Aunt Ethel. With 21 strength plus your dexterity modifiers, I believe you will get more damage than with the thunder bow. This is a great build for solo tactician run. Getting the cloak from the dark urge is a good icing on the cake and the phalar aluve as it gives a chance to do a good melee and range mix. An hierling that can cast longstrider will also make it more viable after becoming a thief as more movement equals more striking opportunities. Anything apart from solo tactician with this build might be too easy though
I was actually going to say... Start as Rogue, so you get 4 skills, THEN Dip Cleric, then back to rogue. You sill get all the armor and weapon profs from Tempest, because they're subclass specific bonus proficiencies.
There is a Downside to this in your Build: Medium and Heavy Armor is nice, but it likits the Bonus from Dex.
Medium limits it to +2, so every Dex above 14 is lost.
Heavy sets that to 0. No Dex Bonus at all.
Every +1 from Dex adds to AC - keep that in mind.
8:01 I think I found some misinformation here: Savage attacker does not increase the crit chance - you are mixing two different roll types. Crit chance comes from Attack Rolls - if you roll 20 (or less with proper equipement/champion), you get a crit. Savage attacker influences DAMAGE rolls., its a roll that determines whether your 1d6 weapon should do 1 or 6 points of damage. Savage attacker essentially gives you advantage on DAMAGE roll, enabling you to do more damage, but not crit more often. Also, it only works for MELEE attacks, so its pretty useless for the build which fouses on sniping with a bow
Came here to say this myself. Utterly useless feat here. All credibility goes out the window with this video after this horrendous misinformation.
I think FireSpark might intentionally put in misinfo like this to create extra engagement from corrections. Savage Attacker doesn't do what he says it does. A useful comment on Savage Attacker would be "This lets you reroll damage dice for all sources, but not Sneak Attacks, so the more your build uses Sneak Attack damage, the less attractive Savage Attacker is."
Savage Attacker is better in BG3 than in Tabletop though. Just not in this build. Rerolling Smite damage and a lot of other damage riders can be strong in appropriate builds.
He did say that after the acquisition of the cloak you need to keep moving. Bow utility is only themajority of attacks until you get that cloak then you can melee all you want as long as one steps out of the clod to do it with.
It may not be immediately useful but the build works for the long game.
I would suggest dual wielder. it could allow you to dual wield more melee weapons with strong passives. Just have to figure out what applies to ranged attacks as well. The weapon effects can be unclear at times.
Other than that only sharpshooter and dex+2 are usefull for this kind of build.
There is a ring in the game that gives you permanent advantage on attack rolls, which would fit this build perfectly.
Crap. That's my bad yes you are right. I'll cut this out ASAP. Thanks for catching that.
Taking 6 levels of sword bard instead of tempest cleric will get you three attacks instead of one plus a weapon style. A level of fighter will get you the archery weapon style. You can get respec out of the final cleric level for Action Surge after getting the cloak, giving fighter 2/sword bard 6/thief rogue 4, which gives you a panic button for bursting down an enemy who can dent your defences. Taking fighter first during this respec also makes it less likely you will drop concentration. Naturally fighter 1/sword bard 6/thief rogue 4/tempest cleric 1 is also just fine. Going this swords bard route also gives you the option of switching to the preferred dual crossbow method, where you use the second Bonus Action for an additional attack. This is a generally good build that will work well for both cheesy and traditional playstyles as required.
Better equipment: Titan String Longbow from the vendor in the Zentirum Hideout, and then get the Club of Hill Giant Str. from mage tower, it will set your str score to 19, giving you a +4 bonus damage on every arrow.
Some optimization. Go rogue first for more skills. Tempest cleric is a subclass so even if you take it at character level 2 you still get martial weapons and heavy armour from the subclass.
Good point and you do get level 2 rather fast.
And that way you can do it with artorian.
@@Firespark81 and if you kill the commander on the nautaloid the encounter where withers is gets you level.
Draconic Ancestory: Bronze also gets Fog Cloud as an innate, so in early game if that's your race you'll get at least one more encounter off before you need the long rest.
That’s a class, not a race...
The Dragonborn don’t get a spell, they get a breath.
Surely swapping out savage attacker, which would only let you reroll damage on melee attacks which you aren't really doing, and replacing it with sharpshooter is just better. Flat 10 damage each attack is just incredible, and you're attacking with advantage so the -5 to hit penalty is negligible.
Also, all of those cleric levels just for spellslots for fog cloud and 1d8 damage a turn seems like a lot of investment for a small return. You can go swords bard after rogue 4 all the way to 12. You still get spell slots, but you also get Blade Flourish. Slashing Flourish on a bow just lets you attack twice for that attack, and can be on the same target. You also get extra attack to go with your two bonus actions to hide. So that's four attacks with advantage and sharpshooter per turn. You only get 2 ASI's this way, but 18 dex and sharpshooter when all your attacks have advantage is still incredibly reliable. You can also start 17 dex and go the hag hair route.
you can also use the clothing at the start of mountain pass to get +2 dex
Once you get the cloak and ring you no longer need the fog cloud spell, so why not respec into 4 rouge 8 bard?
@oritanix5205 it gives you options. If you use one bonus action to disengage to make a cloud you can't hide for both attacks. Keeping fog cloud as a spell let's you hide twice to get advantage or to only hide once and make a disengage cloud if you need to move around the battlefield
I genuinely like the concept, it's a clever way to combine some otherwise lackluster items. Personally though, I only see it being useful for low levels for the fog cloud cast/strange conduit combo.
Once you get the cloak, you don't need to be cleric anymore, you'd be better off using the same cloak/blindness ring combo, getting the ring to get advantage on attacks (and disadvantage on saves but who cares), and making a rogue/bard hand xbow build. Still disengage every turn to make your cloud, but you don't need to use your other bonus to hide because you have advantage anyway, so you get two primary attacks (which bard can turn into 4 attacks) and a bonus shot every round, and you're getting bard utility and skill boosts. Plus if you start with 17 DEX and take the hag bonus, you'll cap DEX with your first ASI, use your second feat for sharpshooter (advantage on all attacks will easily offset the -5), then just to spice it up finish off levels 11 and 12 with two in Fighter for your surge. You're getting a standard 2 attacks, which bard makes into 4 attacks, and a bonus shot. When you surge you're getting 2 more attacks, which bard is still turning into 4 attacks. All at advantage, all with +10 sharpshooter, all while being untouchable. The only thing it really changes it needing to short rest after each combat for maximum output (which many people do anyway AND Bard gives you a 3rd short rest), but to turn yourself into a invincible walking turret of death it's a small trade. And if you didn't want to bother with your inspirations and surge, you wouldn't even need to short rest because 3 attacks per round from the safety of your cloud is still solid regardless.
Still, the initial idea is very clever and the item combination is strong, keep up the good work.
and you'd gain a party face in the process.
FYI there’s an amazing shield for this build in gauntlet of shar after you kill all the rats and the guy transforms from a rat. Justiciar shield gives you a poof of smoke and puts you in hide with one bonus action so you can easily sneak attack anywhere anytime with the blind immunity ring.
Why not go arcane trickster as fog cloud is level 1 spell and can be learnt level 3. Also going pure rogue allows to better scale your sneak attack making your 1 attack per turn way better and at level 9 you getting advantage on spells.
For a little more endurance at low levels, you can get the Spell Thief bow from the Druid's grove vendor, and once per short rest get a spell back when you crit with the bow. This could allow you to recover your Fog Cloud spell, allowing you to effectively restore your most important spell each short rest.
To ge the cloak you need to convince rolan to stay and help, I just got to last light inn and mattis isn't there because I didn't do this. I think its useful to know this
savage attacker does not help you get critical hits. it rerolls the DAMAGE dice, not the attack dice, and only works on melee
Clearly this guy does not actually play 5e… or read
apparently so lmoa, all credibility is out the window @@TFalconwing
Fkin nerds
@@FriedSheep69I tend to agree with this sentiment but you're watching a video about min maxing a build in a rpg which is inherently nerdy
This was my bad and a slip of the tongue. You are right. I will cut that part out ASAP. Thanks for catching it.
The cloak is op af. I always thought that the second disengage that triggers a fog cloud would make the first one disappear so never bothered trying it. Being able to cover the entire area indefinitely without any spell slot makes the various obscure related gear viable too.
If you don't know how to rush to the underdark for the rings, I strongly suggest grabbing the Smuggler's Ring for a +2 Stealth +2 Sleight of Hand, it only costs you one charisma point, but it's definitely useful for the early parts and picking pockets
I've liked this for lone wolf runs, but I think Act 1 thru most of Act 2 work better just going straight Gloomstalker Ranger, you miss out on some of the tempest damage, but most of that comes in the reactions, and since you're in the clouds you don't react much anyway... and just the first 3 Ranger levels get you everything you need: fog, dread ambusher hide, heavy armour if you want it, as well as the extra ambusher attack at the start of the fight and some resistance if you want those, you also get access to some useful ritual spells and cantrips. Cleric might add and scale better later on especially with the equipment, but Ranger is so front loaded as a class so makes the early game more efficient IMO
Note that in character creation, 10 STR doesn't give more jump. 8 to 11 is the same jump distance. You're better off setting INT to 10 for the various skill checks and dumping STR to 8. Just a minor note.
you think you get more int checks than str? Also how do you know it does not give you more jump? You go from a negative bonus to a 0. Also you have more carry weight.
@@Firespark81 Because I respec'd a character to 8, 10 and 12 STR and the 8 and 10 had the same jump distance of 15'. 12 STR is 18'. 14 STR is 22'.
The higher strength does help with carry weight and in shove calculations.
Thanks for the science, friend. I can comfortably dump str now
@@helsharidy123Why would you? there's a hella lot str checks in the game... I personally wouldn't put any stat less than 10
My version:
> Rogue 4 (Arcane Trickster)
> Ranger 5 (GloomStalker)
> Fighter 3 (Champion)
Feats: just sharpshooter
Items: CRIT!!!! Also, the eversight ring is the most important thing in the build.
I picked Arcne trickster cause this version just needs one Bonus Action per turn and, by going Arcane Trickster, you can learn fog cloud at lvl 3 and obtain a couple of spellslots.
Gloom stalker becomes invisible inside the fogcloud and Champion gives crit.
Edit: Assasin instead of Arcane Trickster is a good option.
For this build recommend getting the spell theif bow from 1st village. Every crit refreshes spell slots
Once per short rest.
Maybe a moot point but: why 16 wisdom? The only spell you're casting is fog really, right? Dump those stats into charisma to help with dialogue checks?
Larian Studios: Let's make a low-level, under-selected role-play-type spell more appealing for a change. Maybe Fog?
Smoke Monster from Lost: My time has come again.
You could do this with ranger stead of cleric and get the extra attack, you can pick fog at ranger 2
Depending on how far along you are in the grove storyline, going to the monastery can disrupt the story.
Certain quests can be closed when you return. Best save before going there.
TYVM for this build. It reminds me, a lot, of an assassin build I had in Neverwinter Nights. I would strike from invisibility, then instantly return invisible. Rinse, repeat.
This is just the build I was looking for I wanted to try full astarion rogue and try to keep the character loyal to its origin and that just 1 level of cleric fits what I was looking for ,
Thank you so much
It’s 8 levels of cleric and 4 of rogue tho?
im currently doing this build on honour mode because survivability is important. of course i would just do the hag hair to get 18 dex then the graceful cloth bumps dex to 20. then your feats can be whatever else you want. sharpshooter comes to mind. maybe alert. also i went with a gnome because advantage on stealth seems important
Dude, no matter if it is BG3, Valheim, etc, you are a game changing genius! And your videos are fun to boot, thanks!
Nice build but lvl4 you should take sharpshooter it’s just better since your shooting with advantage and I would use hand Xbox to stack all the extra damage along with sharpshooter and u will still have 1 bonus action to hide again
The rogue doesn't need to be cheesed. The thief is already one of the most powerful subclasses in the game. They can move FOUR times in one turn. My Astarion is a pure thief and has pulled off some truly outrageous shenanigans. Give him athletic for true traversal, or just run mage slayer and have him run through the whole combat to stand next to their spellcasters (3 moves and disengage, he's getting there). Moving out of cover for a cheeky ranged sneak attack and immediately making 2 full moves and hiding again is really good too, and feels very roguish
Very important, you have to SAVE the tieflings in act one to have access to that merchant at the last light inn!
I saved them and few of them are in last light inn but i can’t find this mechant. Someone has idea why?
@@Nex07 Convincing Roland to stay and help defend will keep them alive
Thank you so much for that spoiler alert at the end of the video.
I'll finish the game before coming back on that build. It looks OP indeed
Time line i need
0:10 Level 1 Cleric 1 Tempest Domain
1:58 Level 2 Rogue 1
2:19 Level 3 Rogue 2
5:47 Level 4 Rogue 3 Thief
6:02 Level 5 Rogue 4 Feat Point Ability +2 Dex (18)
7:16 Level 6 Cleric
7:33 Level 7 Cleric
7:40 Level 8 Cleric Cantrip & Savage Attacker (Feat Point)
8:01 Level 10 Cleric Nothing to do, Level 9 Cleric not in the video
8:13 Level 11 Cleric
8:22 Level 12 Cleric Feat Point Ability +2 Dex (20)
9:02 Item: Eversight Ring
9:40 Item: Cloak of Cuuning Brume
Fog cloud because fog cloud, then you fog cloud then through the fog cloud. Then you fog cloud and thats it.
I currently doing a no companion tactical run with a tempest cleric which comes together at lvl 5. might through three rouge levels in there just to give me a variety of play styles instead of just lightning god, also foggy archer. sounds good.
Theren is another build where dual wielding one hand cross bows with multiple attacks in a round would benefit from this tactic. I'm starting a new game because I missed everything in act one. Will try a hybrid variation of this with dual wield xbows. Been a long time since a game was so much fun that I actually wanted a replay.
Nice!! Good to see some fun low level builds. 😁👍
There is a helmet in game, which gives u invisibility after u kill enemy, so u can do same thing without this build and long rest.
You can be detected however, and the way fog cloud works it obscures you and breaks the AI so you can't be seen or detected. At least, as I understand it.
Some great advice even if you don't build this. Totally under rated fog cloud myself, will be using this tactic from now on
Use Duegard as race. They get infinite invis cast out of combat.
Ah I've seen an item that gives you a cast of flog cloud and items that give darkness. There is a ring that prevents blindness too. I solo'ed a bunch of enemies while in a flog cloud blinding them and being immune to blind. Cleric giving you a couple flog cloud charges is nice.
Is it just me or would sharpshooter be busted for this build?
It should be, higher percentage with being hidden plus sneak.
your excitement is contagious, but it's extra amazing at 1.25 speed lol. excellent video and build. thanks.
I saw your fog cloud video, and soloed most act3 bosses with a rogue and the ring of immune to blindness. Doing a second playthrough now and I am level 3. Might try this for Astarion :)
Straight from the wiki:
Savage Attacker - "This feat does not apply to damage from Sneak Attacks."
If you get the cloak of cunning brume, and go thief, you get a free mini fog cloud with your second bonus action every turn.
did we watch the same vid? why the need to state the obvious lol
Its sad how almost all rogue builds are Dualclassing since after level 4/5 rogue is useless ;-;
I would suggest going with dual hand crossbows, actually. Especially with those rings adding damage to all attacks, the extra attacks will stack nicely. I do realize they seem to be kind of overlooked. I only found a nice one toward the end of act 2. Maybe I missed something? None the less, I've been using two +1 bows with Astarion for most of my game and he puts out pretty crazy damage at range or in melee, dual wielding in either case.
If you don't hide after attacking on your turn, the enemies will attack you in the fog cloud with ranged weapons and spells. Dual wielding hand crossbows is not going to work well with the tactic espoused in this video.
This would work for a while but the completed version of the build needs both bonus actions.
@@Firespark81 Oh. It seemed like you only need the one bonus action to go into stealth? You can still make two attacks instead of one with two hand crossbows and just not use the 3rd off-hand attack?
Watch the full video m8 lol you'll understand.
@@Firespark81 I did. You recommended a specific bow near the end of the game, but that's near the end of the game. And you need more actions for darkness arrow or whatever, if you run passed your 10 turns of fog cloud. But outside of that, I don't see why dual wielding would be the weaker choice in most situations for most of the game...
I feel like more levels of Thief would be preferable for the higher Sneak Attack damage.
They fixed Fog Cloud. Doesn't work like this any more. Shame!
Does all of it no longer work (particularly AI doing nothing on their turn when you are in the cloud) or only the part he explained at the end about creating connected clouds?
A race consideration may be blue or bronze dragonborn for their lightning breath.
I did a similar thing on a rogue i was playing, solo durge...instead of cleric i went warlock, for darkness and demon sight. This choice was inspired by an erncounter in the game. I came across the sperctator, and one of his minions cast darkness on me, so i just used it to pop in and out of to kill the boss, xD
Eversight ring
Cloak of cunning brume
U should drop the caustic ring…1-4 is better then +2…%75 of the time u deal the same or more damage
He drops the strange conduit because he starts using fog clouds from the cloak, not ones he's concentrating on so the strange conduit stops being active anyway.
Using an archery bow build without sharpshooter is absolutely pointless. Also any archery build should incorporate at least 1 level of fighter to get the +2 archery fighting style.
Ok so this to me still broken if You do it right I havent beat the game yet not even got to act 2 to cause I told my self im beat on honour mode welp this build got me the to act 2 solo. Nice build
Is there any other class than the Cleric Tempest Domain who also makes damage at a certain level?
I didnt took the joltshooter. I thought a Wyll with the lightning staff would be better with the following items
Lightning Combo Set
Spellsparkler (Q: Duke)
The Real Sparky Sparkswall (Chest)
The Lifebringer (T: Blurg)
The Protecty Sparkswall (Chest)
The Sparkle Hands
The Watersparkers (Minthara)
Neck. of Elemental Augmentation (Chest)
The Sparkswall (Chest)
Ring of Elemental Infusion (Umra'a'ac)
So i think i broke this character a little?
2nd Question: Why doesnt Devil Sight work against Fog Cloud? Wyll gets blinded in my Fog Cloud.
I would have added that you can upcast fog cloud for a LARGE area.
Couldn't you play as an Elf for longbow and make use of the spellthief so you can just fill up level 1 spell slots on crits.
Longbow is a martial weapons which you will have proficiency in with this build no matter your race. So yes and it is a good option if you do not get the one I recommend.
Thank you! That is a great idea! as much as I was looking forward to JoltShooter Boots combo which makes every hit do +1D8 lightning.
I was thinking about re-specing Astarion to this but I would want to add the boots that also give you lightning charges during combat and combine that with the jolt bow letting you add that extra lightning damage more often. he can wear medium armor because of the level one cleric But does he have any disadvantages to his stealth and dexterity bonus to his armor class if he's only wearing medium boots but the rest of the set would be light armor?
Sure... I guess...
But if you wanna ACTUALLY be broken just go dark urge for the cloak, and then go fighter (champ or battle), get extra attack, and the rest into rogue (assassin). Take archery fighting style and basically be the Skyrim stealth archer meme. Go invis on kill, always sneak attacking, getting actions back after you open from stealth, action surge, extra attack, blah blah blah.
Or just a rogue paladin. Cause paladin is just broken by itself. Cause smite.
Gloomstalker 5. Assassin 5. Fighter 2 for action surge. Build on Astarion, play as dark urge for cloak. After astarion’s quest (if you let him do the ritual) he gets an additional d10 on every hit.
@@Cheerwine091 why gloomstalker 5? You dont get and extra extra attack
@@lunar2328 Gloomstalker provides the only extra attack in this build, since rogue doesn’t get it and fighter is left at 2. Gloomstalker is good because that opening extra shot with +d8 is very potent for taking out early threats in combat., +3 to initiative is basically a free alert feat, and the spells you get can be fairly useful. Plus, early on, before you take fighter for your last 2 levels, Ranger provides heavy armor proficiency (ranger knight). Resistance to fire or poison is also pretty handy to have for certain encounters.
With this build on Astarion, I took out the anti-shadowheart in the final fight on turn 1 with an attack to spare.
(Forgot to mention: Caustic Ring + Risky Ring for extra damage and almost always hitting)
@@Cheerwine091 ohhhhh I read that at fighter 5. My b.
Berserker-Thief with Great Weapon Mastery should work well too. Constant Sneak Attacks because you have Reckless Attack and every time you kill something you can Attack with a Bonus Action. When you dont one-hit something use Frenzied Strike to finish the job - youre rolling 2 dice anyway.
Totally great and my guess is that this OP build in a Party will totally change the run-through if the game from the 3rd level on. I'm not sure but will all the boss fights be as easy and I wonder if with this build will it be possible to get every one of the bonus treasures. I'm hoping to do a run where no plus item is not collected and none in the party ever get killed.
What do you mean bonus treasures?
Also, sharpshooter over savage attacker!
I was hoping for a list of armour and equipment like the cleric/sorcerer healer build has because I'm trying to do honour mode and my autism has blocked off understanding multiclassing (hence why I've been copying builds, I just want that golden dice) lol
Get the spell thief bow 1st town and let's you refill your spell slots with crits
Quick observation, how does this build work on the Fire elemental or the Forge Boss?
i played the whole game through WITH A ROGUE and didn't know fog clouds were so OP .. ah well i should try it again
When you play on low difficulties you do not force yourself to look for alternatives to survive in battles, you look for what is possible when you are new to playing tactics to be able to survive and discover these tricks
Hi @FireSpark81. Love this concept. Reminds me of the Deep Purple track "Stormbringer". I was wondering though, how important is the lightning/thunder effects, melee knockback when you can just shoot, and if you can just shoot, and don't need the knockback, why not go 11 levels of rogue to maximise sneak attack dice? In fact if you have another means of getting access to the gear you need, once you have the two equipment combo, you could be pure Rogue Thief and have 4 feats. I also wondered why savage attacker and not sharpshooter. Mathematically sharpshooter is well worth it when you have advantage on every attack. And early on that helps kill everything before the fog cloud runs out.
Rogue/Ranger can do this way better.
Can't you just do that as a trickster rogue?
Fog cloud for president
Being in the fog does it count as obscured? If it is, then the dark justiciar sets will be awesome.
Heavily obscured, and yes. This build is utterly broken. I soloed most bosses in act 3 using this. Might be worth giving everyone in the party two levels of rogue for that bonus hiding if you don't want to play solo... I did it with Gale, so had two chars with immune to blindness and bonus action hide. Trivializes most of the game though, because it is truly broken...It works fine even without those items, as you can just step outside the cloud, attack, then step back inside and hide. That loses the obscured bonus, but the enemy AI stays lost.
@@kahinaloren thanks! will experiment on this!
Add 2 levels of Fighter and then you Can attack twice.... 😄
But no Divine strike: Thunder, so use something else for that.
This build looks epic. I have to give this one a try. Thanks for the spoiler alert at the end. (I did stop watching as I'm still new to the game.)
If I were to respec shadow heart into this build and make sure she still worships shar, would it mess up her story line at all?
i dont think a story characters class affects their RP or storyline at all, just how they fight and make skill checks. you could make Gale a barbarian if you wanted. he would still go through the same story beats.
Take a shot everytime he says fog cloud 💀
Do it then leave a comment if you are still able.
So really you can just ignore everything except get fog cloud.
that's what i took from the video hahaha. video summary: "Be a rogue that can cast fog cloud"
Fogcloud does not cause blindness it obsures vision.
I heard they nerfed fog cloud
The trick for getting the ring doesn't seem to work. The moment I even move the chest the hand gets attacked and killed. I think I am only moving it not throwing it. I simply drag the chest with the mouse pointer a short distance. Am I doing this wrong?
This is what happens when you omit Dispel from the spell table.
Lol, I looked at the spell table trying to find this, because I was getting annoyed by all of the darkness and Hadar aoes later in the game....
I joined on my friends campaign and wanted to do this build because I had to catch up with the gear, but they picked a different weapon instead of the sporkshooter, is there a way to substitute the bow?
If it mostly is range why savage attacker?
Why he picked ASI - that's the question. You need marksman for this build. An this is actually not a build, just exploiting some cheesy mechanic. And low damage for this.
Fog Cloud!
As noted in the pin I did this with a warlock and with a stealthy caster in EA and it got so boring so fast I stopped. OP yes, boring 100%. At least for me.
Oh I 100% agree. The build is so broken it feels like cheating.
If we can create fog cloud passively with the cloak, what's the point in being a priest? why not going full rogue for more sneak attack damage?
You don’t get it till act 2
U still need prof In armor and weapon from tempest priest
@@Qeroo
I already beat the game long ago as Gloomstalker / Thief, bow buils with the cloak. This is OP, I solo all fights that are not limited by time.
i just use full rogue,the additional bonus is good enough,tactician solo
This isn't being OP this is cheesing the system so definitely broken
D&D is literally about figuring out how to best cheese the system to beat the DM. Larian are our DM's and they gave us the tools to cheese the game for that very purpose. 🙂 Though I agree it removes some of the fun of playing under pressure and needing to make on the fly decisions.
Doesn't work for me
why did you use this person instead of like astarrion in place
Quick question, what's giving you that extra bonus action?
3 levels in rogue picking thief as a subclass
@@Firespark81 thanks for the Intel. Going thief now makes a lot more sense because the other two options were significantly better in their descriptions.
Why are you using a shield IF you cant get hit ever ????
Yea🎉. Not level 12 builds, awesome!
I mean to be fair this build is broken at lvl 3 but you are also an op death god at lvl 12 lol
How do I choose which class to level once I add rouge class
Is it really a Rogue build if you have twice as many Cleric levels as Rogue levels?
A build is more than the classes you choose. If you are playing as a rogue then yea its a rogue build it doesn't matter what classes you spec into. Now, could you play this build as a cleric all supporty and such. Sure. But that is not how it is designed and would not be the optimal use of the build. This build excels at being a stealth rogue.
Is there really any reason not to do the cresh?
Good loot and quest rewards. If its your first play through there is also good story progression segments.
@@maekoro1 I'm romancing Baezel so we can raise our gith child together so it's a must for me.
Wasted time? I always do it, but I hit level 12 way before end game.
Don't any of the "blindfighting"/tremorsense abilities exist in game?
Only Devilsight.
Characters can Melee attack people within the clouds, albeit at disadvantage if their target has vision inside the cloud. But if an npc starts outside the cloud, they won't enter the cloud.
does this still work?
Cool glitch, but kind of no fun. I guess I’m more of a purist, but that’s the beauty of this game: Play however you want! I hope they never patch it for that reason.
Its not really broken since this exactly how D&D work even in books
Except not lmao.
The extra Bonus Action from Thief can’t be used for Attacks in 5e.
And if your DM makes NPCs skip their turn because you are hiding, find a new one.
@@IAteYourSandwich My Dm woudl just launch a Fireball at the middle of the fog cloud xD
Only catch is a playthrough would be kinda boring,
What’s the outfit at 2:39?
it's a bit boring to play like this though